How to Choose a Welding Machine
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ส.ค. 2024
- There are hundreds of options available when it comes to welding machines, each with different advantages and disadvantages. Because it's impossible to review all of them, I decided to break down the key factors and specs that I look at in a machine, which are:
0:00 Introduction
0:24 Welding Process
4:10 Electrical Supply
5:12 Portability
5:44 Material Thickness
7:30 Duty Cycle
8:17 Special Features
10:03 Cost
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I'm a Professional Welder by trade an I'm 66 years old...been doing it all my life and I just love watching all your videos Tim, I watch you when taking breaks at work, you are a very good teacher, and people need you out there, thanks for your good work
One thing worth mentioning about benefits of stick welding and flux core is that those are better suited for welding outdoors. With normal MIG or TIG wind will easily blow your shielding gas away and result terrible welds. While flux core and stick have shielding gas releasing from the weld material and is less likely to be blown away.
Simple, but useful, thank you.
You put out great, informative videos. I'm going to start attending welding classes in two weeks, your videos have really been a great help. Thank you.
I have to say this video is the most informative one i have found to make a choice for my new welder!! Really helped out in making a better choice instead of just go out there and wasting my money
Great video as always. It would have been cool if you had given a starting price for each category of machine from where it seems to be really usable for each category. Like x $ for a stick weld; y $ for a tig DC; z $ for a tig AC and so on.
Thanks for presenting these comprehensive videos.
That was a pretty comprehensive overview of the different welding processes and machine requirements.
Really well laid out I enjoyed watching it
This was very useful and succinct, thank you for sharing this info.
Tim, excellent video. Something I ran across while selecting a multiprocess machine was the ability to run 6010 & 6011 electrodes. If that is a requirement, make sure you read the fine print while making your selection. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
6011 will run both ac and dc 6010 runs better on dc, most 7018 will not run good on ac, older machines especially
Thanks for sharing, very illustrative and answered the question I had as a hobby welder.
very good video,
one aspect that you overlooked a bit ot my opinion is the effect of the duty cycle on the general performance of a machine, on the arc stability when the arcing conditions are less than ideal because it is the effect most of us will encounter someday much before being limited by the welding time by itself.
this is true for all arc welding processes.
Another great video Tim!!!
Great comparison video. Thank you for sharing.
Excellent presentation. Thumbs up
Good information Tim.
This is the greatest welding channel on TH-cam.
I picked up the yeswelder 205ds multi process over xmas.. I wanted a good starter machine and I think it really hit the nail on the head. I do want to do aluminum tig eventually but I plan to graduate to that later. This was a good review.
Awesome! I haven’t tried that one, but the little TIG I got from them sure works well as long as you don’t need a long post flow. Thanks for watching!
The welder you got now can do alli ? Just change your mig liner , and drive roller not that costly ?
Best welding tutorials, period
Thank you so much for doing this i am buying everything you suggested. You did all the hard work for me. And i will be buying your class.
You put out some great videos! I'm a fan!
Worth my time; very well explain...thank you, 👑.
Great info!
So helpful. Thank you sir !
Great video! Good information. 👍
Thanks for the information
Awesome info, Thanks
Great Video!
Tim: I have found that economy multi process welders in stick mode only run about 25 volts instead of 75-80 volts open circuit, that means they only work well with a tight arc and rod selection is therefore limited.
Thank you for your knowledge.
Nice video, I wish this video was before I bought my machine😔. I think is useful video.
thank you again. i enjoy de video the experince you pas on.
i realy need a new machine. another step. thank’s again.
OMG 😲 that Primeweld looks like a Monster compared to the rest of the bunch......good explanation AC/DC machine is the way to go in case you decide to weld AC only metals
I set myself up with a primeweld Tig 225x and I have a susemse mig-255 which is a multi-process welder also does MiG flux make gas lift tig and stick welding so I pretty much got the broad spectrum and all the welder I need. Now if I could just find me a nice plasma cutter and a water cooler to add a water cooled torch to my primeweld
Thanks for presenting
Hi, Tim love your videos. I have been struggling with stick welding, not able to hold an arc, and sticking the D#mn rod all the time (very frustrating). I have watched many of your videos and I am convinced that MIG is the way to go for me. I live in Thailand and the local building supply stores, Home Pro, and Global House usually carry a good selection but none of the brands like Miller that you mentioned you like, so I will look into a purchase here soon. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
If its sticking turn your amperage up!
The problem with most of South East Asia, like here in The Philippines, your supply wires to the building are #10 or smaller, and run a block or two out to the power pole where you have a 30 amp meter: pull any kind of current and the voltage drop is horrendous. If your in a modern Industrial building then you luck out, an old residential tract no dice!
You're probably using one of those inexpensive inverter machines. No worries, i do too. The problem with these machines is the fairly low open circuit voltage (ocv) This is the voltage the machine has at the welding leads while not welding. Usually with the inexpensive machines, it's around 63 volts, and for easy arc starts you want the ocv to be above 80 volts. The best way to go in this situation is to use the thinner 3/32" (2,4mm) electrodes and use 6011 type rods, and reverse polarity to electrode negative (put the cable that goes to the rod holder in the negative socket on the machine. Try that; i bet it'll be a lot easier this way to get the arc started. The arc will be louder, and the welding will produce a lot more spatter this way, but it will get you welding.... once you gain some experience, you can switch the polarity back, and see how it goes then.
You might wanna check out the Parweld XTM211Di for AC TIG capabilty or the ESAB Rebel 205ic...pretty pricey but definately good machines for their respective capacities..... might also be a hint to do a review on them? :) Good vid!
nice job
LOL ..JUST in time for me to decide.. 👍 Im considering both.
How is the Deko working so far and the Primeweld 225x ❓🤔
Thank Tim.
Living in another country, I choose my welder made from MOTs and high temperature wires. Best AC MMA experience ever.
More voltage=awesome welds
Q: Auto frame weld for upper control arm mount to the frame. How will stick weld hold up? Thanks Carl
If you're brand new to welding and have never welded before i'd recommend you buy a stick welder because other welders require other things to be able to weld such as gas and or tool attachments. Mig welding is the neatest/ cleanest weld and tig welding is just beautiful but stick is the most simple and easy to use and do. If you're a mobile welder i'd recommend starting with stick and eventually switching over to Mig as it does a cleaner job.
Mig throws out diddy balls everywhere so its not that clean...
Great video, thanks. Tell us about your table. Haha, never mind... just found your video on tables.
Thanks Tim very helpful video.
I have only used the red Lincoin stick and the Miller wire feed .
Tim do you have a video that reviews the best welders? Particularly stick welders.
I'm buying a Lincoln 225/125 AC/DC welder on Wednesday. I'll mostly be using it for repairing our farm equipment, but I'm thinking might start a side business repairing machines and other random repairs in my area
Awesome! I’ve never used the version with DC, but I’ve had 2 AC 225s and they work great!
I hope you have some schooling if you’re going to do this for others. There’s liability when you do work for others.
@@melgross I'm a junior in a trade school if that's what you're saying, it's a machining and welding class
I don't plan to start doing work for others till I get good at repairing our own equipment
@@LukeA_55 ok then. That’s the way to go! There are too many “welding” sites (not this one, as Tim is a welding engineer) done by guys who can’t really weld. They don’t know much either, but they think they do. They sometimes review really cheap welders, and sometimes a plasma cutter, and tell people that once they played around in their garage for three months, or so, they’re ready for paying work. I really shudder at that. Sometimes people post that what they “learned” was just great, and they’re going to follow this guy’s advice and buy that $100 welder and get paid shortly, as soon as they’re really good, whatever that means.
You’re in another category. Good luck with it. And remember that you can never know too much, just too little.
You can use the DC side of that welder to tig with, they make a # 17 tig torch and whip that you can attach the rod stinger to, and with some 75/25 gas and dip rod you are set to go ( I've done it )
Hey Tim i have that red welding plan the AC 225 is 240 volts current alone i need to know how many watts Generation i have to get to work it.
I plan to TIG weld bronze and steel primarily, and had a 240v outlet installed on a 30A Breaker. Is 30A sufficient or do I need to upgrade to 50A?
Hey Tim, what's the difference between the LE31MP and the Power Mig 140MP from Lincoln Electric?
Great video! Although I'd say stick is the hardest to learn . Tig is basically the same as gas welding but with more settings. I recommend everyone start out with a stick welder. Specifically one with DC. that way you can eventually learn scratch start tig ( which will require extra equipment, but will impress everyone in the long run!).
I would have to disagree there. Personally i would say tig is the hardest. But then again i started on stick.
I'd say Tig is harder because it's such a technique to get going smooth.
Stick is close by it though especially on start
I followed this advice. I love stick welding but a cheap flux core machine can go up to 3/8ths.
Here we have a "welder" dragging mig on 1/4(or more) thick plate. Brilliant.
Primeweld 225 for the win!👍👍👍👍👍
Good explanation thanks
Thanks for watching!
What about just for welding flat steel stacks and canisters for damascus steel
Yes
Imperial is wild. 3/16ths, 3/8ths of an inch. Are all Americans that good at fractions? Thanks for all the info though, good video.
Mexico uses imperial units for nuts and bolts all the time, but yeah! Metric rules.
I’m wondering about stick welding aluminum. Is this possible?
Is PM-IMGT-330S any good?
Tim just wanted to show off his collection
Why do some people around various trades eventually start saying they "run" a particular skill or piece of equipment, instead of saying "use" or some other more typical language construct? For example - I'm not "running" 13L Hefty Ultra-flex garbage bags in my kitchen, but at the moment that's what I'm using. I don't "run" my Logitech bluetooth mouse, but I use it every day and I'm pretty fond of it. This lingo-ism definitely isn't limited to welders... I've heard people talk about "running" saw blades and router bits too. I imagine this is something people who are starting out hear from others with more experience and start emulating it (consciously or not) to feel more credible, but to my admittedly amateur ears it sounds weird.
EDIT: I don't want to neglect to say that this is an excellent video, along with all of Tim's highly educational and valuable content. That one little language quirk just struck me as a funny theme.
If you ran one of these machines for any length of time you would know why .
@@bajadan2769 Tell me more... I use a lot of gear on a regular basis so I can relate to a lot of things. What gets people going like this? To me it's no different than what makes emergency services people say "he exited the vehicle" instead of "he got out of the car" like anyone else would normally say.
What is a good stick welding machine 110v to start?
Hi Tim, What about the voltage range on a Mig? I watched a video where the person was setting his machine at 1 and 2 volts. I think the cheaper machines do between 15 and 21 volts. Most people are using 15 to 18 volts even on the thin stuff. Is this important? Then there is also spool size, some only do one size? It also seems that some machines don’t have wire speed, is this possible? Maybe is just doesn’t say. I find that they don’t tend to give one a lot of info before you buy and the sales people don’t seem to know either, well that’s here where I live in South Africa. Thanks again for your videos, very helpful.
Is oxyacetylene process do not belong to welding category?
Hi,Tim. How are you? I am your new fan and really enjoy your informative videos. May I ask that can I have your email with some tech questions?
I got a Lincoln ac and dc stick welder, what are some good brands of electrodes
Lincoln excalibur !!!! Not the lincoln stuff from the big box store
3/32 6013 is a good rod for beginners...easy to run
hi 200amp tig machine can welding cast iron or aluminum .... cylinder head
I am looking at a Snap-on (systematic welders) but there is no reviews. Do you have any experience with them ?
You’re paying for the name.
Looking to learn welding. Interested mostly in MIG to start, but I think I’d be okay with TIG too. I’ve got a full breaker box with 15 amp breakers. Is there any welders I can use without re-wiring my house?
Why not make an extention cord that will plug in to your clothes dryer outlet. That should be a 30 amp outlet. You will need an extension cord with no:10 copper and a male plug to plug into the dryer outlet. The other end put a female receptacle with a plug that matches your welder. Nothing to mess with in breaker box. You can run a welder that is 240 and 7,200 watts max/ 7.2 KVA or 30 amp max input size. Just have and electrician make the extension cord for you or an air conditioning service tech. If you get into the big boy welders for commercial use you can remove 2 side by side breaker and put a double pole breaker with higher amps but you will need to check with an electrician to see if your panel is large enough to handle the added load and have an electrician run the new circuit for you.
Put a 50 amp outlet and breaker in your shop it’s easy it’ll wire into your fuse box without putting a single hole in the wall
Thanks for the advice. I've got an old house with 100 amp service and a full box already. My major appliances are all gas powered save a 30 amp A/C. Don't think I'm gonna be able to do much welding until I either upgrade to 200 amp service/200 amp main breaker box or buy a generator, neither or which are particularly high priority right now.
@@patrickm1533 that sucks my garage was the same way but I was able to upgrade it without much trouble. I hope you get it working without too much trouble good luck.
I have done mig a long time ago and oxy acetiline more recently I'm thinking of making a container house (2mm Cor-ten) and I am thinking of just gas welding it since it is what I'm most familiar with and I have the equipment , but the guys at the welding shop just shake their heads , what do you think ?
I shake my head two , just a costly way two go ? Mig would be far better , , just the cost of buying one first up , but once the out lay , will be far cheaper
@@timothyrouse2853 Because the cost of welding gas is cheaper than shield gas ? My gas welds look so much nicer than my mig welds.
Use gasless , ? here in oz mid size oxy ect is around , 300 ,$ aud each argon is $ 300 abouts , for a single bottle
@@timothyrouse2853 flux core gives me a headache , I'm not convinced I will save enough in gas , welding 3 doors and 4-5 windows , to make it worth it . After all , tens of thousands of planes in WW2 used gas welding (mostly done by woman) using the same torch I use , if it's good enough for North American , and Supermarine ....
Which method produces the least hazardous gases? I've been looking for a stick welder because I hear that's the man's man welding method, but if I have to start on hard mode to stay away from harmful gases, then so be it. More bad ass anyway! =D
They can all produce some amount of fume, but TIG welding will produce the least. TIG is a great process. The learning curve is a little steeper than others, but a lot of people only learn TIG and do really well.
What tig welder do you recommend for starting off on a budget?
It really depends on what the budget is, but if you want one with all the features, I really like the PrimeWeld TIG 225 that I reviewed a while back on my channel. I've also heard good things about the new AHP machines. Actually, I think AHP might still be selling their older machine at a discount, which could be a great deal right now. As far as less expensive DC only, the YesWelder TIG 205DS that I reviewed a while back worked really well other than the short post flow, but if you just want to get your feet wet on some mild steel, it would do the job.
@@TimWelds thanks so much looking to mainly do aluminum so need that ac/dc.
New to the chanel, but what type of machine is safe to run off a separate generattor? It's 7500 with 9000 surg. Have a small farm and am going to be put up pipe fencing. Also would a flux core work or a stick be better most of the pipe will have rust on it?
Either would work, and you will get different opinions, but I would get a small inverter stick welder and weld that with 6011. It would be a longer learning curve than flux core, though. There’s a TH-camr named Austin Ross who has done a lot of pipe fence. I’m not sure if he’s done a tutorial on it, but would be worth a look.
@@TimWelds ty for the info
@@TimWelds what would be a good inverter machine that will weld pipe and is easy to set up? I haven’t welded since high school in the early 80's. Also would it be good to bite the bullet and get a multi process machine? Would like to do so mig shielded/ flux core welding in the future also. What brands do you recommend?
Tim. If you could only have one welder ever. Would it be a TIG, or MIG?
TIG, for sure
Look into ESAB too.
Great suggestion. I was on the fence between a Rebel and the Miller Multimatic that I just bought. The ESAB had more features, but I ultimately picked the Miller because it’s compatible with the spool gun I already had and it cost a little less. I’m very happy with the Miller, but I think I would be equally happy with the ESAB. I have used another ESAB in the past, and it was great. The Miniarc Rogue is currently at the top of my wish list.
@@TimWelds That was kind of my take on the two, too. Esab has a higher range of ac frequency and more settings for pulse, plus one video showed it could run 6010.
I like the Miller’s user interface better, at the time I was shopping I don’t think the Esab switched between Tig and Mig at the tap of the pedal or trigger (super handy), and there is also a local Miller dealer near me.
I also like the quick set on the Miller where it gives suggested settings. Handy when I’m using an electrode I don’t run often.
I wouldn’t hesitate to buy another Miller, but I could see how someone used to an advanced Tig could prefer the Esab.
How thin can you go with stick welding?
1/8” (3mm) comfortably. You can go thinner, but it’s very difficult.
really enjoying getting into your videos the past few days. The clear explanation you provide is giving me the confidence to finally invest in welding equipment, something i've long had interest in learning.
Do the machines keep track of the duty cycle? will they lock you out if you try to weld beyond the duty cycle or do you run the risk of damaging the machine?
They don’t have timers, but most will shut down due to high temperature before anything is damaged. I don’t worry too much about it as long as I’m in the ballpark.
Are there some "basic" differences in multi-process vs. single-process when it comes to that one process? Lets say stick-process for example, so if you get $700 machine. Should you assume it's better than the stick-process of a multi-process machine? One thing I assume that single-stick is most likely smaller and lighter, but if I don't care about those. Are the only possible differences about that the Duty Cycle and potential bonus features? Are the Duty Cycle promises sacred/law-binding, at least i see that no company makes promises regarding the "name-amperage", so if device is XYZ-Model 200 the Duty Cycle promise will be for 160A typically, not for 200A. So then you can only guess for how long does it run 200A.
Tim I'm about to purchase a welder. A multi - process machine that can weld steel, aluminium, and stainless steel.
I would like a mig/tig stick that can take a spool gun and gas. What would you recomend? I'm on a budget so I can afford around 500.00 to 600.00 dollars . I can purchase spool gun and other upgrades.
120/240 volt 200 amp or better. I would like a portable machine.
Thanks Tim.
Gary in London, Ontario.
Since he didn’t answer, I don’t think you will find a multi process that runs AC/DC in that budget. The cheapest I know of would be Everlast’s lightning ac/dc. Up from there Esab offers ac/dc Rebel, and Miller’s Multimatic 220 ac/dc. I have the Miller, and I like it a great deal. I know a spool gun is available for it, though I don’t own and haven’t run their spool gun.
How much of a power supply are we talking about for the home user? 20 amp?
Yea, 20amp 110v.
@@daddyosink4413 Thanks, Cheers
@@frankcherry3810 it has to be a dedicated 20A with nothing else running on it..... if you have to, unplug your fridge and run from there.
@@daddyosink4413 Yea, I was thinking on just running a separate outlet. Thanks. Cheers from Thailand
Flux Core is way under rated. I much prefer it over MiG. Gas is expensive! And more importantly? Flux core makes stronger welds! The problem with home use and commercial flux core is the machines that are built for it. You’ll end up buying a MiG welder to get a really nice machine. Just don’t waste your money on bottles.
Needs help!!!!
So I want to buy a multi process welder! And I have a budget of 4K , I want AC/DC for tig along with everything else… which one should I be looking into, thanks
Esab Rebel 205 and Miller Multimatic 220.
If you’re open to 2 machines, an HTP Invertig 221 and Separate HTP MIG would also be a great option.
Awesome thank you for responding!
@@julianwilliams2697 If you haven’t decided yet, I have the Miller Multimatic and really like it. The quickest feature I find handy (you input material thickness and what electrode you are running and it gives suggested settings). Also sweet it it switches between Tig and Mig at the tap of the pedal or trigger.
The Esab as I understand will run 6010, where I use 6011 when I need a fast freeze rod. The Esab I believe also has a broader range of ac frequency, and I think more adjustability in pulse settings over the Miller.
Hope this helps.
I will be welding a lot of nickel bar. What do you recommend?
A high quality DC TIG will do the job. Make sure you have these features at a minimum:
-High frequency arc starting
-Remote amperage control (foot pedal)
-Adjustable pre and post-flow
@@TimWelds nice,,, thank you
This is helpful and boss I’m subbed. Let’s dive into a ridiculous amount of content just to weld one coupon
did you weld aluminum in that spool gun in the intro ? did you drag that weld ?
All of that welding was on steel, and I didn’t have the spool gun out for this video. Yes, it was a drag angle on the MIG, which works fine on short circuit MIG, though I usually push out of habit, which works fine too. Aluminum MIG needs a push angle (which is what I’m guessing you’re trying to point out) and flux core needs a drag angle. Thanks for watching and for the comment.
@@TimWelds you can weld however you want. ... I am not one outhouse TH-cam armchair welding experts .. LOL. steel push to pull ... aluminum I personally pretty much always push just like you, flux cored it all depends ... there are some gas shielded flux cored wires for steel that can be pushed or pulled and of course whenever I push it on one of my videos there will be guys that try to educate me how it has to be always pulled because of reasons, their girlfriend's fathers brother in law who is a certified welder told them so so that is how it has to be ..... but either way .... even some gases stuff can be pushed or pulled .... if I do dual shield stainless I feel it has to be pulled otherwise it turns all brown and does not work right colors .... but either way. Over all great video you made explaining stuff .... !!!! the arc force /dig explanation left some room for guesswork ... but ok .... most guys who are in the market to buy a machine and you made them aware in this video that such a function exists .... they have bigger fish to fry than worry about what arc force exactly is ...... still GREAT video !
Thanks so much! It’s true that there are rarely absolutes in welding.
My true love is stick welding. Give me heavy steel and lots of amps.
i think i will go with a transformer based mig welder only because if i use a generator it'll be less likely to fry
Yes! Inverters and generators are a terrible match. Generators can't do a thing to my microwave parts.
Re: gasless FCAW = Selfshielding
I don't remember Tim mentioning anything about the importance of having a DC output on the stick welders.
It depends on what you’re doing. Pros run DC most of the time, but for a lot of garage type work, AC machines work great. I really like using old fashioned buzz boxes.
My Welder runs on 400V ups...
Hi my friend, I will buy a welder machin for my out side works, GOD'S WILL,, What you think about the 220 Miller Multimatic, the price here in Reno Nevada are $$3600,&4k, please give me your opinion, thanks, Dios te bendiga siempre
Since he didn’t answer, I have the Miller Multimatic and I really like it. The user interface is super easy, I like the quickset feature where you select the material and electrode and it gives recommended settings, and it switches between Tig and Mig with a tap of the pedal or pull of the trigger.
The Esab rebel ac/dc is in the same class, and I believe has a wider range of AC frequency and more adjustments for pulse. I’ve heard it will run 6010, where on the Miller 6010 is not recommended so I just 6011 when I need a fast freeze type rod.
Everlast also has a mts ac/dc but I’ve never been around one.
Hope this helps if you are still shopping.
A cluster"""" of information.
I see you’re a late nite person as I am.
I definitely am, and I regret it every morning 😂.
@@TimWelds ha me too. I like staying up late, but my parents hate it when they have to wake me up early 😂
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Nothing but nothing welds like an old red-faced sa 200😊
You said you have been welding for 20 years. What is your background? Not sure if you made a video talking about that.
I haven’t made a video about it. By day, I’m an engineer. I’ve never been a professional welder, but I’ve welded as a hobby/side hustle since I was a kid. As far as education goes, I have a masters degree in welding engineering and have been through welding trade school. It’s definitely a different background and perspective than most on TH-cam, and many of them are better at certain welding processes than I am, but I love doing it and I think it helps people to learn a valuable and fun skill.