Where to start and what cheap equipment to start with based on near 20 years of welding as a hobbyist. This is NOT A SPONSORED VIDEO. It's only one man's honest opinion. Here's links to all products and the second part of this video: Metal Cutting Tools: th-cam.com/video/2cReD1MrMyo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TrialN%27ERROR Prime Weld AC/DC Tig/Stick: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BXHRBQ8/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B07BXHRBQ8&linkId=d383cf07b9c3cee6851f63515839ae21 HZXVOGEN MIG/Stick: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0887ZK9PK/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B0887ZK9PK&linkId=54645c10c85ccaceb3a45e17459c0255 Excellent Flux Core MIG I've used before and has Gas option: www.amazon.com/SUNGOLDPOWER-Gasless-Welding-Inverter-Including/dp/B07QQ4WGRB/ref=sr_1_90_sspa?crid=UQV38Y85QMMX&dchild=1&keywords=flux+core+mig+welder&qid=1610927478&s=hi&sprefix=flux+core+mig%2Ctools%2C233&sr=1-90-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyUU9VWUc2M0ROUEZQJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTM4MjU4MlA1NVdUQVozTDNTTSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjg4MjA3MkFXQllNRFNJVzY5VyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX210ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU= Lincoln Flux Core Mig: After looking at their current lineup, I cannot recommend their flux core MIG. They dropped the amperage down to 88 amps and that's just barely enough for 1/8"...not real useful. If you want a name brand entry level machine I would go with Hobart: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079W44FB2/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B079W44FB2&linkId=d89bff89424fde5ec03b1e9c8a3edfe2 Stainless Steel Table" www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086V8F7LM/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B086V8F7LM&linkId=15141db1d30094671aa2cd8c534d6e45 Monster Welding Shield: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XMLZ4R5/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B07XMLZ4R5&linkId=695b7298dd018317d302cbfde12729b8 BRAND SPANKIN' NEW CHANNEL MERCH! teespring.com/stores/trial-n-error More monkey business? Find me on Facebook: facebook.com/TH-camTrialnerror/?view_public_for=232815904127596 Instagram: instagram.com/trialn_error_/ Thank you for watching! Please subscribe for future updates and check out my Facebook page for additional updates that don’t always make it into a video. Fan mail, business opportunities or inquires: trialnerrormedia@gmail.com Trial N' Error PO Box 349 Candia, NH 03034 IMPORTANT SAFETY INFORMATION: This video is for entertainment purposes only. The content of this video may include high voltage wiring, moving parts, suspended weights, risk of fire electrocution and many other hazards. These hazards are capable of serious injury, death, property damage and/or destruction. Consult a with licensed professional before attempting anything you see in this video. Do not try this at home. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.
When Lincoln was developing the flux core welding wire in the mid 1970's I was one of the welders that tested the wire on high pressure gas pipe welding. I did certify to API 1104 high pressure pipeline welding with the flux core. The first wire was a little unstable as it would finger nail, this meant it would switch to burn on one side then flip on it own to the opposite side. Lincoln resolve this issue. You can use co2 or C25 as a cover gas this will reduce weld splatter but is not necessary.
This one of the best intro videos into a skill I have ever seen... certainly in the past year. Honest, thoughtful, earnest, no bullshit. Fantastic. I learned a lot.
I chose an arc/stick for my first machine. Only have one 20amp circuit in my house and my welding station is outdoors. That was the logical choice for me. It's definitely been a little bit of a learning curve. If you want to learn to weld for cheap, stick is great. If you want to just build stuff, flux cored is definitely the way to go
Wow he said Stick is not a welder to get I agree stick what you any one need to start to welding Mig is cheating for new at welding Stick makes understand the weld puddle and feeding the rod I love stick welding MIG and Tig all of it !
A wonderful way to learn TIG is to first learn to braze weld with oxy- accet torch with a controlled stringer bead and no melt downs ...... This includes applying the torch heat and NOT overheating and even brief second removal of torch heat so the brass never melts flat on the metal but forms a bead. I have used this method for teaching welding before in a school setting and it is amazing the transition from braze welding to Tig welding is almost instant .
yes that is how I learn in High school was brazing and then burning 7018 all day for 1 semester and 40 years later I still love to weld and thought my self Tig 5 years ago :)
I just started as a copper tube Brazer for a company. I know some stick welding. The company does a lot of TIG work and I’m kinda hoping between the two I’ll be able to pick it up eventually.
Good tips! I agree with Learning to Flux-core first! I think once you master it, it is time to move to Mig, then onto Tig. I know folks who can mig, but can't seem to master anything else because they get frustrated. I learned to Arc first, guess old habits never die as I still stick everything unless it's thin, then I pull out the trusty mig. Over the holidays I bought a multiprocessor, getting excited to learn to tig better.
flux core will get you started but discourage you with the results. I need a good result that cannot be achieved with that crap. Start with DC stick, than move onto shielded gas MIG. I have never seen a good result from flux core wire. Just enough to make you say the hell with it all.
i was told by a old teacher that stick is the best to learn on, and thats what i have done the most, though my weldiding exsprince totals maybe 10 hours
The HBM 2280 is a 180 amp at 40%, 100 amp at 100% welder, Unitweld, the maker of HitBox and HZXVOGEN, has just put 250 in both products' names to trick folk. Still, an impressive welder for its cost. I am thinking of buying one for 120/240 voltage use as I am happy with the HZXVOGEN HF TIG I bought and my 240v transformer MIG is too large to transport around and can't run on 120v.
Thank you very much for the demonstration. I personally used a flux core mig welder and absolutely hated it. I found it very hard to control and put a nice clean weld on. I had a much easier time with a gas mig. I want the option to weld thin metal and up to 1/4" thick. Been having a difficult time what to decide on.
I've got a Lincoln buzz box MIG/flux welder that's just as old as yours if not older and still has zero issues. Great little basic welder for the money.
I am really interested in your HBM machine because there is a variance of that one here in the Philippines that is available that can do both Flux core and gas mig and you have sold me on this machine. Thank you for the demonstrations and your opinions.
hey Bro when you tig welding the steel .. you are doing it backwards ...you are going back with the torch and feeding wire .. you should be going forward with the torch and feeding wire. keeping the wire close so it is heated just before you dab it . Im B pressure , pipeline. idustrial welder a hole .used too have carbon /chrome tickets done some aluminum... tig has no drive... so you cant pull it like stick or mig or flux core ..you have to lay it down by dropping every little ripple going forward.. hope that makes sense and helps out good video...and wicked car .. peace from Canada
That is a wonderful video. very educational. I like that you have the equipment a hobbyist would be looking at. The big names are great equipment, but more money that most of us need. I do like that you have all the safety gear, and the fire extinguisher in the drawer. If you do another video, the safety aspect would be great to cover. The splatter and UV protection , the fire safety as many home garages may have flammable equipment nearby. If I had 1 question, you mention the Lincoln 110v welder as a great start, What about starting with the Hxzvogen 2280? It is both 120 or 240, flux core or MIG, and has the synergy welding to assist you in setting up the welder for the metal and wire thickness. It can even help you learn the settings as the voltage, amperage, and wire speed are all shown when you select the synergy function.
My first welding machine was and is the vulcan omnipro 220. I chose this one to start with because it seemed like the best choice. It does mig, tig, stick, and flux core welding, ac and DC. 110 and 220 or what ever the voltage is. It came pretty much set to run flux or solid core mig you just need a gas tank wich I do not have yet.
just get the gas and start to weld. flux core is harder than shielded gas mig. you bought a machine that is way better than your skills. Knowing that will make you not stop learning until your results don`t suck. that machine will do it, now its just you.
I bought a $200 ebay shoebox tig welder to see if I wanted to spend good money to gear up or not. I badly welded with it for a year then upgraded to the Primeweld and gave it to a buddy who did the same thing. That $200 ebay "junk" now is in its 4th garage and still being used. There is a place for "top of the line" but probably not when you first start out
I would really like to see a build series/breakdown on your welding cabinet as far as electrical distribution with links to parts used etc!! Fyi really enjoying your channel content!! Keep up the great work!!!👍👍👍
I'd have to look again but I remember reading somewhere that PRIMEWELD is build here in the states. New Jersey I think. I'm getting their 325X and the Max cool 3000 next month.
now I have followed several who show their machines at 220v / 50Hz. But what are the advantages of a machine that is at 400v. which companies use when in all only shows 220v. tik. welder. I stand to have to buy my first machine. I live in Denmark.
I am all new to everything you present on your video, i need to know how to learn them properly & apply it into use because there is no room for error but observe safety at all times, thanks & beautiful video
Don’t ditch stick welding so fast. Many say Stick is the first process you should learn. The skills you learn from stick carry over to mig and Tig. No so much so for mig. Probably not much use for stick doing Auto Body work but fabrication, equipment repair, construction, stick is where it’s at. In fact, I would venture to say that among professional welders, stick is by far the most common and once you learn stick, mig is a cakewalk and Tig comes much easier. I run a Miller Multimatic 255 and a Miller Trailblazer. Not only do I prefer the Stick process the most, it is by far my biggest money maker. All that said, if you want really up your mig game, try pulse mig. It makes a bad welder look like a pro. And is far better on thin material as well.
I'm uploading a new welder review video as I type this and because of you, I included testing the stick portion. Forgot how fun it is and you're right, it certainly has it's place. Thanks for watching man!
@@Trialnerror :Sounds great man! I just subscribed. I’ll keep a lookout for it. I’ve been wanting to make some TH-cam videos too. I do welding, backhoe work, dozer works as I side business. I’m active duty so i couldn’t imagine throwing in camera tasks in with everything else. Maybe one day.🤷♂️
Great video, I have the primeweld 225x and absolutely love it. I also have the primeweld cut 60 plasma cutter, really nice. That multi use machine is really slick, I really like that color interactive screen, and I'm sure having that type of control would really help someone with the quality of the mig welds you make with it. Really great price on it too. I like how versatile that cart/cabinet is as well, has me kind of wanting to get one to replace the two welding carts I have my stuff set up on, and I really like how you have the drawers for all the consumables as well.
Great video and just what I needed. I just added a 240v line to my garage and plan to get a 200-250 amp welder for thicker metal. I have a titanium for thinner stuff. The hzxvogen hbm2280 might be a good choice as it goes down to 10 amps and up to 200 and I do a lot of bodywork so 10 amps would be great for that. Two quick questions, have you ever checked the internals on the hbm2280 as you have done for other videos, and how do they look? you mentioned in the video that the hbm2280 goes up to 250amps, but the manual says 200. Just checking to see if yours does 250. I may be looking at the wrong one, or you may have measured the actual output which can be higher than stated.
If you do nothing else: Mount the fire extinguisher on the outside of the welding cabinet. I've got the same Prime Weld box. It IS a beast! You didn't touch on doing any stick.(?) And, lose the music.
Wow he said Stick is not a welder to get I agree stick what you any one need to start to welding Mig is cheating for new at welding Stick makes understand the weld puddle and feeding the rod I love stick welding MIG and Tig all of it !
Hey guys! Asking for help. Got a 2005 ford e350 which is rusted to sheist ! My flux welder just goes through my sheet metal or doesn't weld it! I'm looking for a cheap mig and looking at the tooliom 200amp mig. Should I go for that or a Lincoln migpack 140? Can't afford to screw up this time. Thanks for your help and input!!🙏🙏
I have found this to be a good order to learn for myself and others. 1.SMAW 2.OxyFuel 3.GMAW (ShortCircit) 4.GMAW (SprayTransfer) 5.FCAW 6.GTAW (DC) 7.GTAW (AC)
Stick welding has it place where other cannot. Outdoors in windy conditions for one. Mig welding in the wind - well you need to build a shelter to block the wind.
Great great video !!!! Thank you I am looking for my first welder and this is perfect !!!! I am really thinking about the the second to last welder you used . The one with the screen . What else would I need ? Just the tank and mixed gas ? And roughly what does that run ? I’m on a budget unfortunately of about 6-700 all in . Thank you again great video I am going to have to subscribe
I started on the same Lincoln welder I have a everlast 255 tig a Miller dynasty tig and a Miller 211 mig now. When I started in the aircraft industry I said yes I can tig weld boy that was a tough thing to learn. Tig welding all the different metals here is a challenge for sure
It really is. I have so much respect for anyone that can deliver the quality and consistency that's required by aircraft industry. You must be a very talented dude.
@@Trialnerror lol I do ok now but dam I was ready to throw in towel I had everything stuck together. We don’t live to far from one another I’m 5 minutes from the dragway. Love your build I’m building a new race truck well 66 big turbo ls power
He's right start with flux r stick i stick everything but hey I'm a welder Get together into you're local school brun ther wire n plate to pipe .learn to control the puddle wacth the puddle make it do what I want no matter what procedure. Weldon 🇺🇸💥💥💥💥
I liked your video a lot! Yes I’m looking through all the equipment my head is swimming. Is there a multi function machine that does like meg welding and plasma cutting? Ideally I would like MIG and tig and plasma cutting. Is plasma cutting something best left for a separate machine? My function is this is to be able to take care of my tractor needs and to do repairs and things like a mowing deck of putting a new floor on the tractor or any equipment. So basically equipment maintenance which welder do you recommend for that? Thank you very much and keep up the good work
I know this comment is 5 months old but I have a brand new combo machine on the way to me for a review. The machine will be available in April and it looks like it's going to be awesome! I'll get a review up ASAP.
Great video. I'm so glad I found you. Very educational for me :) I wonder .......... does the HZXVOGEN MIG 200A Welder have standard connections, connectors and accessory options or even the ability to use other brand accessories ?? Thanks for your generous consideration, Sincerely .............................. Steph
Hi. Your video was honest and educational. I liked very much. I really like to see order in a workshop! I really appreciate that about you! Good luck in the future!
If you buy a bottle of 75/25 and put it on that weldpak100 and go to a solid core wire. You won't have any slag on the weld and you'll never go back to innershield wire ever again.
Hi im a beginner in welding do you recommend the HZXvogen 2280 to start with or there is a lower version HZX MIG185 which is 350dollar cheaper with offcourse less functions, just wonder if i really need all those other functions.
You are braver and smarter than 99% of the people out there but, I think you need to sign up at your local vocational school for an 8 week course because there are a few things you’ll want to understand. ARC #1
I have a welder and a plasma from them now an are very impressed (have have reviews on my channel). I actually have a discount code for you if you're interested in buying direct from them. Use "trialnerror" at checkout and it will knock 10% off.
The ground isn't intended to carry current. Now, if something were to happen to your ground wire (an opening somewhere), the case of every welder on your cart will be electrified when you attempt to power on your flux core machine. You obviously understand a little about electricity, and I assure you that if you look into it very deeply, you'll find that there's a reason for every stupid rule they've jammed into code. It's an unlikely scenario, but it's possible.
@@Trialnerror Yeah I saw that and think it's awesome...I am very novice with wiring/circuits and could use an explanation of the process, techniques, and the parts/components used...but I also know that is a lot to ask! E.g., how did you ground it, are those bus bars, did you solder anything, etc :)
@@TheRealAndaar Yes, those are 3 buss bars. Nothing soldered at all. I bought a short 220v extension cord, cut the female end off it. Attached one buss bar to each "HOT" and connected the ground wire to the third buss bar. I clipped short the neutral wire that my extension cord had (most will). The ground will provide the neutral for both circuits and either one of them if you are using 120v tools. For 120v. connect the hot to one of the hot buss bars. Connect the neutral AND the ground to the ground buss bar and BINGO. 240v is obviously the same but with two hot's. Does that help? Here's a link to similar bars (I cant find the exact ones I have) www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074DDL68Y/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B074DDL68Y&linkId=39062f79d7a17cb5ebf4b5df5fb38690
I know id love the prime weld but most recently im very impressed with LOTOS products, especially the 175 mig welder that comes with a spool aluminum gun for $489 ebay.
@@Trialnerror yes, yes, i noticed, thats why i mentioned. I just got the 40 amp Lotos but im still working out a defective air filter blockage. Id like their 50 or 70 amp but i have a small collection of plasma cutters already. That hypertherm 30 had air stuck open when i first used it, needed warrenty work out of the box. Thats why im happier with these chinese at a fraction of the cost. I guess the nicest is an 80 amp everlast but really havent fired it up yet, project timing for its need was cancelled, cutting a bunch of big channel down to 12 inch lengths.
Only when I want to keep things clean and neat. Most of the time when I use flux core, it's just a quick and dirty job. The spray certainly works but when I want a spatter free job I go with the spray and gas MIG or TIG.
Stick welding is far superior to flux core welding as a beginner because it teaches you the basics of welding puddle control which wire feed machines can not do very well.
I can see that point but at the same time it limits you so much in terms of material thickness I believe MIG is still the way to go. You're success rate will be so much higher with MIG and the amount of projects you can do will help you learn faster IMO. Either way, good point and thanks for watching.
From my experience the duty cycle has been awesome. I've don a little at or near 200amps. I do a lot of welding around 150amps and I've not had to stop once.
@@Trialnerror no i highly doubt that. Im talking about large quantity of 1 inch aluminum, not a tiny chunk. You need at least 600 amps, thats with preheat and helium mix.
Why can't they come up with one machine that can do it all? I keep thinking since my machine can do mig and tig also stick why can't it do the rest also?
As @2aamendaz608 stated I would really like to see a build series/breakdown on your welding cabinet as far as electrical distribution with links to parts used
Good video. I kick myself in the ass for not having my father teach me how to weld. I bet he rolled over in his grave when you first said that about stick welders. Until he heard the rest of your thought. Haha. He was a boiler maker and repairer of broken heavy equipment and most of his welding was stick. Someday I will learn by just buying a cheap fluxcore from the harbor of freight. Keep up the great content.
That Hobart for $229 I linked in the description is such a steal. For the money I think anyone would find it will pay for itself damn near the first time you use it. That's a great story about you're dad and yes, in that line of work stick was the way to go for sure. I'm amazed at how good true craftsman like him can weld with stick. You wouldn't even be able to tell.
Where to start and what cheap equipment to start with based on near 20 years of welding as a hobbyist. This is NOT A SPONSORED VIDEO. It's only one man's honest opinion. Here's links to all products and the second part of this video: Metal Cutting Tools: th-cam.com/video/2cReD1MrMyo/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=TrialN%27ERROR
Prime Weld AC/DC Tig/Stick: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BXHRBQ8/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B07BXHRBQ8&linkId=d383cf07b9c3cee6851f63515839ae21
HZXVOGEN MIG/Stick: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0887ZK9PK/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B0887ZK9PK&linkId=54645c10c85ccaceb3a45e17459c0255
Excellent Flux Core MIG I've used before and has Gas option: www.amazon.com/SUNGOLDPOWER-Gasless-Welding-Inverter-Including/dp/B07QQ4WGRB/ref=sr_1_90_sspa?crid=UQV38Y85QMMX&dchild=1&keywords=flux+core+mig+welder&qid=1610927478&s=hi&sprefix=flux+core+mig%2Ctools%2C233&sr=1-90-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyUU9VWUc2M0ROUEZQJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwOTM4MjU4MlA1NVdUQVozTDNTTSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjg4MjA3MkFXQllNRFNJVzY5VyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX210ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU=
Lincoln Flux Core Mig: After looking at their current lineup, I cannot recommend their flux core MIG. They dropped the amperage down to 88 amps and that's just barely enough for 1/8"...not real useful. If you want a name brand entry level machine I would go with Hobart: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B079W44FB2/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B079W44FB2&linkId=d89bff89424fde5ec03b1e9c8a3edfe2
Stainless Steel Table" www.amazon.com/gp/product/B086V8F7LM/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B086V8F7LM&linkId=15141db1d30094671aa2cd8c534d6e45
Monster Welding Shield: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07XMLZ4R5/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B07XMLZ4R5&linkId=695b7298dd018317d302cbfde12729b8
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I am curious if it will allow for a foot pedal. Really ejoyed the video!
Sorry, the 2280. Thanks
Any chance of getting a close up of how your wired your cart? I have the same cart and was looking to do the exact same thing.
When Lincoln was developing the flux core welding wire in the mid 1970's I was one of the welders that tested the wire on high pressure gas pipe welding. I did certify to API 1104 high pressure pipeline welding with the flux core. The first wire was a little unstable as it would finger nail, this meant it would switch to burn on one side then flip on it own to the opposite side. Lincoln resolve this issue. You can use co2 or C25 as a cover gas this will reduce weld splatter but is not necessary.
This one of the best intro videos into a skill I have ever seen... certainly in the past year. Honest, thoughtful, earnest, no bullshit. Fantastic. I learned a lot.
I chose an arc/stick for my first machine. Only have one 20amp circuit in my house and my welding station is outdoors. That was the logical choice for me. It's definitely been a little bit of a learning curve. If you want to learn to weld for cheap, stick is great. If you want to just build stuff, flux cored is definitely the way to go
Wow he said Stick is not a welder to get I agree stick what you any one need to start to welding Mig is cheating for new at welding Stick makes understand the weld puddle and feeding the rod I love stick welding MIG and Tig all of it !
@@johnversluis3084 What? I see that word understand, but I am struggling to understand what you are saying?
A wonderful way to learn TIG is to first learn to braze weld with oxy- accet torch with a controlled stringer bead and no melt downs ...... This includes applying the torch heat and NOT overheating and even brief second removal of torch heat so the brass never melts flat on the metal but forms a bead. I have used this method for teaching welding before in a school setting and it is amazing the transition from braze welding to Tig welding is almost instant .
You just helped me decide where my moneys going and saved me some stress thank you.
Maybe for scratch start sure for me it was hard as hell once you threw in a pedal and pulse 😂
yes that is how I learn in High school was brazing and then burning 7018 all day for 1 semester and 40 years later I still love to weld and thought my self Tig 5 years ago :)
I just started as a copper tube Brazer for a company. I know some stick welding. The company does a lot of TIG work and I’m kinda hoping between the two I’ll be able to pick it up eventually.
Good tips! I agree with Learning to Flux-core first! I think once you master it, it is time to move to Mig, then onto Tig. I know folks who can mig, but can't seem to master anything else because they get frustrated. I learned to Arc first, guess old habits never die as I still stick everything unless it's thin, then I pull out the trusty mig. Over the holidays I bought a multiprocessor, getting excited to learn to tig better.
flux core will get you started but discourage you with the results. I need a good result that cannot be achieved with that crap. Start with DC stick, than move onto shielded gas MIG. I have never seen a good result from flux core wire. Just enough to make you say the hell with it all.
i was told by a old teacher that stick is the best to learn on, and thats what i have done the most, though my weldiding exsprince totals maybe 10 hours
The HBM 2280 is a 180 amp at 40%, 100 amp at 100% welder, Unitweld, the maker of HitBox and HZXVOGEN, has just put 250 in both products' names to trick folk. Still, an impressive welder for its cost. I am thinking of buying one for 120/240 voltage use as I am happy with the HZXVOGEN HF TIG I bought and my 240v transformer MIG is too large to transport around and can't run on 120v.
Thank you very much for the demonstration. I personally used a flux core mig welder and absolutely hated it. I found it very hard to control and put a nice clean weld on. I had a much easier time with a gas mig. I want the option to weld thin metal and up to 1/4" thick. Been having a difficult time what to decide on.
I've got a Lincoln buzz box MIG/flux welder that's just as old as yours if not older and still has zero issues. Great little basic welder for the money.
Love the tip on the HBM 2280! Would love to see a mig welding video with Aluminum (either er4043 or er5356) on that unit!
Primeweld cant be beat. Quality machine with best customer service in the industry, no brainer.
I am really interested in your HBM machine because there is a variance of that one here in the Philippines that is available that can do both Flux core and gas mig and you have sold me on this machine. Thank you for the demonstrations and your opinions.
I found that tig and oxy acetylene gas welding virtually the same, i treat the tungsten tip the same way as the inner part of the gas flame.
hey Bro when you tig welding the steel .. you are doing it backwards ...you are going back with the torch and feeding wire .. you should be going forward with the torch and feeding wire. keeping the wire close so it is heated just before you dab it . Im B pressure , pipeline. idustrial welder a hole .used too have carbon /chrome tickets done some aluminum... tig has no drive... so you cant pull it like stick or mig or flux core ..you have to lay it down by dropping every little ripple going forward.. hope that makes sense and helps out
good video...and wicked car .. peace from Canada
Thanks man. It's such a bad habit, I can't seem to break it. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge!
That is a wonderful video. very educational. I like that you have the equipment a hobbyist would be looking at. The big names are great equipment, but more money that most of us need. I do like that you have all the safety gear, and the fire extinguisher in the drawer. If you do another video, the safety aspect would be great to cover. The splatter and UV protection , the fire safety as many home garages may have flammable equipment nearby. If I had 1 question, you mention the Lincoln 110v welder as a great start, What about starting with the Hxzvogen 2280? It is both 120 or 240, flux core or MIG, and has the synergy welding to assist you in setting up the welder for the metal and wire thickness. It can even help you learn the settings as the voltage, amperage, and wire speed are all shown when you select the synergy function.
My first welding machine was and is the vulcan omnipro 220. I chose this one to start with because it seemed like the best choice. It does mig, tig, stick, and flux core welding, ac and DC. 110 and 220 or what ever the voltage is. It came pretty much set to run flux or solid core mig you just need a gas tank wich I do not have yet.
just get the gas and start to weld. flux core is harder than shielded gas mig. you bought a machine that is way better than your skills. Knowing that will make you not stop learning until your results don`t suck. that machine will do it, now its just you.
I bought a $200 ebay shoebox tig welder to see if I wanted to spend good money to gear up or not. I badly welded with it for a year then upgraded to the Primeweld and gave it to a buddy who did the same thing. That $200 ebay "junk" now is in its 4th garage and still being used. There is a place for "top of the line" but probably not when you first start out
HZXVOGEN 250A MIG Welder 110V/220V HBM2280
can you show us how the set up the welder for flux core and how the connect the cables ?
I would really like to see a build series/breakdown on your welding cabinet as far as electrical distribution with links to parts used etc!! Fyi really enjoying your channel content!! Keep up the great work!!!👍👍👍
I bought the HBM2280. It is excellent, I've been welding for 21 years.
Straight co2 is fine for steel on mig only used arco2 to certify and I certified with co2 when I forgot to change the gas
I'd have to look again but I remember reading somewhere that PRIMEWELD is build here in the states. New Jersey I think. I'm getting their 325X and the Max cool 3000 next month.
I started with that same lincoln but I had gas mixture as well and works great for car parts
Would love to see more of the HBM2280 as its almost impossible to find good video reviews of it.. :)
I know it drives me crazy
I ordered mine and should here soon. I’ll get back to you guys.
I just got mine
Would love to see more TIG welding with that one
I got mine, welding gun is coming in tomorrow. I’ll update when I get some free time.
Okay, step 1 to learning to weld. Find a person and a channel that is helpful and easy to understand. ✅ Thank you Trial N' Error guy, Im subscribed👊
4:00 AvE suggest to start off with stick. Either way. Thanks for sharing
Those weldpak100's are great little welding machines. I've had one for 25 years now and it's always ready to weld..
Ive got the hitbox tig and plan on buying the same mig hvxogen is the same one not sure why they sell 2 names but ebay from them its 350 not 529
Send link to the table pls
now I have followed several who show their machines at 220v / 50Hz. But what are the advantages of a machine that is at 400v. which companies use when in all only shows 220v. tik. welder. I stand to have to buy my first machine. I live in Denmark.
I am all new to everything you present on your video, i need to know how to learn them properly & apply it into use because there is no room for error but observe safety at all times, thanks & beautiful video
Don’t ditch stick welding so fast. Many say Stick is the first process you should learn. The skills you learn from stick carry over to mig and Tig. No so much so for mig. Probably not much use for stick doing Auto Body work but fabrication, equipment repair, construction, stick is where it’s at. In fact, I would venture to say that among professional welders, stick is by far the most common and once you learn stick, mig is a cakewalk and Tig comes much easier. I run a Miller Multimatic 255 and a Miller Trailblazer. Not only do I prefer the Stick process the most, it is by far my biggest money maker. All that said, if you want really up your mig game, try pulse mig. It makes a bad welder look like a pro. And is far better on thin material as well.
I'm uploading a new welder review video as I type this and because of you, I included testing the stick portion. Forgot how fun it is and you're right, it certainly has it's place. Thanks for watching man!
@@Trialnerror :Sounds great man! I just subscribed. I’ll keep a lookout for it. I’ve been wanting to make some TH-cam videos too. I do welding, backhoe work, dozer works as I side business. I’m active duty so i couldn’t imagine throwing in camera tasks in with everything else. Maybe one day.🤷♂️
On the HBM 2280, are the auto settings pretty accurate for a beginner to rely on?
Hi. I see you must use these to work on cars. Which process/machine would you use for welding a quarter panel or thin sheet metal for patching rust?
Great video, I have the primeweld 225x and absolutely love it. I also have the primeweld cut 60 plasma cutter, really nice. That multi use machine is really slick, I really like that color interactive screen, and I'm sure having that type of control would really help someone with the quality of the mig welds you make with it. Really great price on it too. I like how versatile that cart/cabinet is as well, has me kind of wanting to get one to replace the two welding carts I have my stuff set up on, and I really like how you have the drawers for all the consumables as well.
Great video and just what I needed. I just added a 240v line to my garage and plan to get a 200-250 amp welder for thicker metal. I have a titanium for thinner stuff. The hzxvogen hbm2280 might be a good choice as it goes down to 10 amps and up to 200 and I do a lot of bodywork so 10 amps would be great for that. Two quick questions, have you ever checked the internals on the hbm2280 as you have done for other videos, and how do they look? you mentioned in the video that the hbm2280 goes up to 250amps, but the manual says 200. Just checking to see if yours does 250. I may be looking at the wrong one, or you may have measured the actual output which can be higher than stated.
If you do nothing else: Mount the fire extinguisher on the outside of the welding cabinet. I've got the same Prime Weld box. It IS a beast! You didn't touch on doing any stick.(?) And, lose the music.
You mentioned that the HBM2280 is a 250amp welder but the spec is 200 amp . Still you did a nice review on it! Thanks
thanks for the content ...
are there cutter welding combos that do it all including aluminum?
Very good job of explaining what to get early and about the learning curve! Great video!
Wow he said Stick is not a welder to get I agree stick what you any one need to start to welding Mig is cheating for new at welding Stick makes understand the weld puddle and feeding the rod I love stick welding MIG and Tig all of it !
When I was a kid stick was all there was, didn’t have a acc torch so I learned to cut with it, learned pre high school
Love your videos! Stupid question from a very beginner: how do you ground that table? Thank you
I just hook the clamp onto the edge. Not the best ground, but it works for low amperage welding.
What is the difference between HITBOX SYN-mig200 pro mig welder and the synergic HZXVOGEN HBM2280 mig, both look identical in programming?
Hey guys! Asking for help. Got a 2005 ford e350 which is rusted to sheist ! My flux welder just goes through my sheet metal or doesn't weld it! I'm looking for a cheap mig and looking at the tooliom 200amp mig. Should I go for that or a Lincoln migpack 140? Can't afford to screw up this time. Thanks for your help and input!!🙏🙏
I have found this to be a good order to learn for myself and others. 1.SMAW 2.OxyFuel 3.GMAW (ShortCircit) 4.GMAW (SprayTransfer) 5.FCAW 6.GTAW (DC) 7.GTAW (AC)
Most that talk trash about stick welding can't do it. Funny I have no issue stick welding sheet metal when I have to and yes I even mean 24ga.
I’m considering that hsven something the second one for a motorcycle crank case tab
Stick welding has it place where other cannot. Outdoors in windy conditions for one. Mig welding in the wind - well you need to build a shelter to block the wind.
Great great video !!!! Thank you I am looking for my first welder and this is perfect !!!! I am really thinking about the the second to last welder you used . The one with the screen . What else would I need ? Just the tank and mixed gas ? And roughly what does that run ? I’m on a budget unfortunately of about 6-700 all in . Thank you again great video I am going to have to subscribe
I started on the same Lincoln welder I have a everlast 255 tig a Miller dynasty tig and a Miller 211 mig now. When I started in the aircraft industry I said yes I can tig weld boy that was a tough thing to learn. Tig welding all the different metals here is a challenge for sure
It really is. I have so much respect for anyone that can deliver the quality and consistency that's required by aircraft industry. You must be a very talented dude.
@@Trialnerror lol I do ok now but dam I was ready to throw in towel I had everything stuck together. We don’t live to far from one another I’m 5 minutes from the dragway. Love your build I’m building a new race truck well 66 big turbo ls power
@@briangoudreau5793 If I ever get mine finished I'll meet you there!
@@Trialnerror sounds good
What hood is that? In need of cheap entry level hood recommendations
What's the verdict on the HBM2280? What don't you like?
For the HZXVOGEN where do you get consumables? I looked everywhere and can't find anything. 😢
Can flux wire be loaded into a gas MIG and be used as a regular flux welder? Thanks in advance.
Yes, just make sure you switch polarity on the gun
@@modestextreme thank you
Have you seen the Primeweld MTS200 multi mig welder looks good..
He's right start with flux r stick i stick everything but hey I'm a welder Get together into you're local school brun ther wire n plate to pipe .learn to control the puddle wacth the puddle make it do what I want no matter what procedure. Weldon 🇺🇸💥💥💥💥
I liked your video a lot! Yes I’m looking through all the equipment my head is swimming. Is there a multi function machine that does like meg welding and plasma cutting? Ideally I would like MIG and tig and plasma cutting. Is plasma cutting something best left for a separate machine? My function is this is to be able to take care of my tractor needs and to do repairs and things like a mowing deck of putting a new floor on the tractor or any equipment. So basically equipment maintenance which welder do you recommend for that? Thank you very much and keep up the good work
I know this comment is 5 months old but I have a brand new combo machine on the way to me for a review. The machine will be available in April and it looks like it's going to be awesome! I'll get a review up ASAP.
If u can braze with acc u should be able to tig, just different heat source
Will they all do what you want them to do are they all the same?
Great video. I'm so glad I found you. Very educational for me :)
I wonder .......... does the HZXVOGEN MIG 200A Welder have standard connections, connectors and accessory options or even the ability to use other brand accessories ??
Thanks for your generous consideration,
Sincerely ..............................
Steph
Yes it does! Thanks for watching
Hi. Great video. Do you know what's that 4 pin connector, on the Hbm2280, for?
Is it AC or DC?
Thanks in advance.
ill tell you honestly for beginners the arccaptain mig 200 is a great 3 process machine
Hi. Your video was honest and educational. I liked very much. I really like to see order in a workshop! I really appreciate that about you! Good luck in the future!
Is there a part 2?
Great video Sir! Love you set up and your teaching style.
So the big screen welder is worth it I was looking for a review on it since on most welders they are all over
this is a problem
OK you described yourself and the title caught my attention.
Young man you have another subscriber!
If you buy a bottle of 75/25 and put it on that weldpak100 and go to a solid core wire. You won't have any slag on the weld and you'll never go back to innershield wire ever again.
Hi im a beginner in welding do you recommend the HZXvogen 2280 to start with or there is a lower version HZX MIG185 which is 350dollar cheaper with offcourse less functions, just wonder if i really need all those other functions.
You are braver and smarter than 99% of the people out there but, I think you need to sign up at your local vocational school for an 8 week course because there are a few things you’ll want to understand. ARC #1
What brand of wm you can recvomend me to buy? Please !
I like your style. You seem like a really nice guy. Thanks for the welding & plasma cutting (the other video) info.
People who know that they don't know everything are the most knowledgeable
I am looking at a snap- on (systematics welders)
But there is no reviews do you have any experience with them?
Good video... definitely not going with TIG yet...Im experienced, but not ready for that yet. Thanks for taking the time to upload this video
if you want to learn how to weld you start with oxy/actl then you learn stick then mig then tig.
Brilliant. Thank you from the UK
powerdistro drawer module like pro audio?
250 cf bottle is they way to and much cheaper to exchange
I just went to buy the t shirt you are wearing and can't find it in the store.....
Here you go and thank you very much! trial-n-error.creator-spring.com/?
What's your thought on Yeswelder?! They seem very good!
I have a welder and a plasma from them now an are very impressed (have have reviews on my channel). I actually have a discount code for you if you're interested in buying direct from them. Use "trialnerror" at checkout and it will knock 10% off.
Are you still using the HBM2280 and if so how's it working?
Yes and like new. No issues with it.
The ground isn't intended to carry current. Now, if something were to happen to your ground wire (an opening somewhere), the case of every welder on your cart will be electrified when you attempt to power on your flux core machine. You obviously understand a little about electricity, and I assure you that if you look into it very deeply, you'll find that there's a reason for every stupid rule they've jammed into code.
It's an unlikely scenario, but it's possible.
Could you do a video showing how you wired your cart to power all 4 machines?
Did you watch around the 9:24 mark or do you need more detail?
@@Trialnerror Yeah I saw that and think it's awesome...I am very novice with wiring/circuits and could use an explanation of the process, techniques, and the parts/components used...but I also know that is a lot to ask! E.g., how did you ground it, are those bus bars, did you solder anything, etc :)
@@TheRealAndaar Yes, those are 3 buss bars. Nothing soldered at all. I bought a short 220v extension cord, cut the female end off it. Attached one buss bar to each "HOT" and connected the ground wire to the third buss bar. I clipped short the neutral wire that my extension cord had (most will). The ground will provide the neutral for both circuits and either one of them if you are using 120v tools. For 120v. connect the hot to one of the hot buss bars. Connect the neutral AND the ground to the ground buss bar and BINGO. 240v is obviously the same but with two hot's. Does that help? Here's a link to similar bars (I cant find the exact ones I have) www.amazon.com/gp/product/B074DDL68Y/ref=as_li_qf_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=trialnerror-20&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B074DDL68Y&linkId=39062f79d7a17cb5ebf4b5df5fb38690
@@Trialnerror It does...thanks!
I know id love the prime weld but most recently im very impressed with LOTOS products, especially the 175 mig welder that comes with a spool aluminum gun for $489 ebay.
No shame in that game either. My plasma is Lotos and it's a good unit.
@@Trialnerror yes, yes, i noticed, thats why i mentioned. I just got the 40 amp Lotos but im still working out a defective air filter blockage. Id like their 50 or 70 amp but i have a small collection of plasma cutters already. That hypertherm 30 had air stuck open when i first used it, needed warrenty work out of the box. Thats why im happier with these chinese at a fraction of the cost. I guess the nicest is an 80 amp everlast but really havent fired it up yet, project timing for its need was cancelled, cutting a bunch of big channel down to 12 inch lengths.
HZXVOGEN HBM 2280 also known as Hitbox SYN MIG200PRO.
Always learn on stick. You know better than pushing a newbie to mig.
No, just no.
@@Trialnerror yes... just yes.
@@inthedarkwoods2022 Why say yes, when it's one less letter to say NO?
Do you use the spatter spray when you flux core?
Cheers
Only when I want to keep things clean and neat. Most of the time when I use flux core, it's just a quick and dirty job. The spray certainly works but when I want a spatter free job I go with the spray and gas MIG or TIG.
@Trial N' ERROR can hbm2280 tig weld aluminum?
No it cannot. You need a machine like the Prime Weld I have also in this video for that that offers AC TIG. The 2280 is DC only.
Stick welding is far superior to flux core welding as a beginner because it teaches you the basics of welding puddle control which wire feed machines can not do very well.
I can see that point but at the same time it limits you so much in terms of material thickness I believe MIG is still the way to go. You're success rate will be so much higher with MIG and the amount of projects you can do will help you learn faster IMO. Either way, good point and thanks for watching.
@@Trialnerror If thickness is an issue then change sticks to 6011, those are the deep penetrating ones if you are welding something thick.
Are these figures true and accurate duty cycle (40℃ 10min) - 25%@ 200a; 60% @150a; 100% @ 130a on the HZXVOGEN HBM2280 MIG 200amp Welder ?
From my experience the duty cycle has been awesome. I've don a little at or near 200amps. I do a lot of welding around 150amps and I've not had to stop once.
@@Trialnerror whats the max thickness with mild steel with this machine
@@kenken4153 I'm not sure. I've done 1/4" and was able to move quickly without it maxed out. I would think 3/8ths wouldn't be a problem.
That shop is really bad ass
can you weld 1 inch aluminum with your set up?
You would need to preheat material that thick but yes it can be done.
@@Trialnerror no i highly doubt that. Im talking about large quantity of 1 inch aluminum, not a tiny chunk. You need at least 600 amps, thats with preheat and helium mix.
Thanks for making me laugh right off the bat!!
Why can't they come up with one machine that can do it all? I keep thinking since my machine can do mig and tig also stick why can't it do the rest also?
I don't know. Maybe they just don't sell well because people end up paying more for functions they don't need or will rarely use? Not sure.
What's the "rest"? You just named the 3 main processes
As @2aamendaz608 stated
I would really like to see a build series/breakdown on your welding cabinet as far as electrical distribution with links to parts used
Good video. I kick myself in the ass for not having my father teach me how to weld. I bet he rolled over in his grave when you first said that about stick welders. Until he heard the rest of your thought. Haha. He was a boiler maker and repairer of broken heavy equipment and most of his welding was stick. Someday I will learn by just buying a cheap fluxcore from the harbor of freight. Keep up the great content.
That Hobart for $229 I linked in the description is such a steal. For the money I think anyone would find it will pay for itself damn near the first time you use it. That's a great story about you're dad and yes, in that line of work stick was the way to go for sure. I'm amazed at how good true craftsman like him can weld with stick. You wouldn't even be able to tell.
good vid, I've been looking at tigs.
I looked at them for about 10 years before I bought lol.