In the U.S, these are just reliable enough that they're still on the road, but so bad that no one really wants to buy them. They've replaced the PT Cruiser as the go-to vehicle when you just need a running car and want to spend as little as possible.
How do they even give kbb values to these anyway? Toyotas stay so expensive but other brands drop like a rock. They say the value is based off of historical used car sale prices, but wouldn't the prices cars sell for already be affected by the KBB value? Then it would be an endless cycle of the KBB value changing the sale prices and the sale prices altering the KBB value n
I own a 2008 Jeep Patriot 2.0CRD Limited and I agree with what you have stated here. I enjoy driving the Jeep but it's not as nice as some of the competition. But at least it stands out and is quite reliable compared to its land rover equivalent
@@Iansea1967 it's due to the rover k series engines and hydraulically operated 4 wheel drive systems. Both are very good when they work right but equally bad when they go wrong which is too often the case
The automotive press hated the Jeep Patriot, but the people I know who've actually owned one were happy with it -- they just wish it got better fuel economy with the gas/petrol engines it came with here in the U.S., because styling a vehicle to look like a box on wheels unsurprisingly does not make it very aerodynamic.
A lot of comments saying how awful this car is. Yet here is one with 150k miles, nothing discernibly broken in the 'horrible' interior, or rattling/squeaking, ice cold air con, good ride over rough roads, comfortable seats. Can't see an awful lot wrong tbh, except for the loud diesel. BTW, love your channel, Kevin! ❤
Sadly I have patrol but my jeep patriot has been good to me . I've had it 2 years now. The only thing I had to do was replace the threattle body and a purge valve ( I bought it pre-owned). And the other only thing I hate about it is it is only front wheel drive.
I had one of these on a 2008 plate. Slightly different, more angular interior and way more sound proofing. A decent vehicle really but the turbo blew inside 20k (replaced under warranty) then the engine spat it's dummy out at 62k!!! Sold for scrap after putting a claim in against Chrysler......which I won. Great vid and nice to see more of the average. Also Mrs hubnut, great camera work.
I agree. I was told the VW PD130 turbodiesel was unburstable. I ended up with diesel runaway on the A1M after the turbo blew (it also had many more issues!) It had FSH and 74000 miles. I now have a Volvo D5 and it is better in every way. It has 200000 miles and has never been a bit of bother in the 10 years I've had it.
@@HubNut 50K was a lemon, they exist in all makes. These Vag diesel engines live happily in literally millions of high mileage cars. The 2.0 TDi PD 140 in my Audi Avant (like the one you reviewed a while back) is almost at a 1/4 of a million miles now. Very smooth and quiet too but that's down to sound deadening and more refined chassis, as you suggested - most diesels sound like tractors when the window is down - but in that cheap Jeep it's horrible! I changed the oil pump for a modified strengthened one - the only real weakness to them. (Same on the early Common rails, like this Jeep has - too short a hex shaft with weak materials) but that was at 230K, to be fair and the rest of the car is tight and good too. Long service intervals are the first thing that should be junked for life also. But agree that German invincible reliability and fine engineering is not always what its cracked up to be though.
Here in Canada I had a 2007 Jeep Compass 4x4 (same platform as the Patriot) with a 2.4L petrol and CVT it did 327,000 kms (203,000 miles) before we had to scrap it, best car we ever owned it and miss it. Oddly despite the cheap bland interior, the plastics held up pretty damn well and barley rattled plus the seats had little stress marks.
Very refreshing review Ian The 2.0 diesel were a little more refined than the 1.9TDI with 16 valves over the 8 . i recenly drove a 2.0 Golf and was totally bored . My 1.9 TDI from 98 is a tractor as they often seem to be from that era but i love its torque
The PD 130/150 is one of the best small diesel engines ever imo. The newer CR140/170 is alot more refined as you stated but they don't come close to the reliability and bulletproof nature of the PD, they also aren't anywhere near as fun to drive Especially with the sheer amount of aftermarket modifications available for the PD engine now a days. Theres quite a few that are easily making 320hp with a few bolt ons and a tune. I had the PD150 Leon Mk1 up until I went to an A5 3.0TDi & as much as I love the 3.0tdi especially how it sounds, I always miss driving the Leon! Shame it got stolen whilst being worked on last year 😞
I had one of these and loved it. Only got rid due to getting the opportunity to trade it in for a nice 3 series BMW, but did really love the Patriot. Never had any problems in the 3 years I owned it.
They're nice and unique if you want something different, and quite practical too. But man do they have some issues, early models had major subframe problems both front and rear, ABS faults very common, oil pump issues resulting in an oil starved engine, turbo issues, power steering issues, rear arches rot in real-time whilst you look at them. It's a shame as if Chrysler had put just a bit more money into them they could have been great. Have one sat outside needing all of the above, can't bring myself to get rid but can't justify the cost either, it's one of those cars.
The Diesel (and manual transmission!) were forbidden fruit for us here in the home market. I encountered one of these things on the trail while Jeeping in Colorado. I specifically recall encountering a particularly nasty muddy dip in the trail, that the Patriot owner gingerly drove around. I was right behind him in a Wrangler JL Rubicon, so I just forged straight ahead 😂
This sort of car would be ideal for my job. I live in a rural area, have to use my own car for work, and have to go to wherever my customer’s house is located. The slightly tougher nature of this Jeep, and four wheel drive, would probably cope with whatever I threw at it. But because I’m not wise, I’ve bought a Mondeo instead; 2WD, large, and mostly unsuited to the unmade and narrow roads I often find myself on. I just can’t bring myself to buy an SUV, despite being someone who has a use case for one as a daily driver.
I had exactly the same problem. Also Ireland's punitive. (and illegal according to eu) car tax rates . Grand a year for a ranger I cured it by getting a second hand fiat Panda 4x4 with slightly larger tyres than normal.whipped the back seats out for tools and I've never looked back .I'm on my first new shape one for the last 6 years. Its just as good as the old boxy one Sometimes needs must and you have to be creative.!
Interior reminds of my old Chrysler PT cruiser,i loved that styling especially linked to the 2.2 merc lump. The ride was surprisingly tight & pretty capable on the quicker roads. I did toy with the Idea of buying a jeep but was soon put off with the price of parts like with the PT cruiser. Now where did i put my violin case😂
@@dizzy2020 Get away... The Phase 1 was a nice place to be bar the numbering on the dials which was vile at night. The Phase2 did a decent job of mimicing a 40's US sedan, which was the point. Materials were very American but it you didn't hit them with a hammer they stood up to abuse well enough
@@itsmephil2255my American sister-in-law had a Neon as a cheap beater in the mid-2000s, definitely not a car to withstand the New England winters! I think she managed to kill it inside of a year, she drives an old Tahoe now.
The centre passenger on the back seat has to be legless because their footwell is filled with cupholder, as thin as a lamppost because the seat and even the headrest are incredibly narrow but with incredibly long arms to reach the seatbelt that's next to the tailgate
I could be wrong but I think secondhand good value for little money...I have always liked them..My neighbour has a Lovely Red one ...No problems and he loves it...!!!
We considered one back when they were new. That Fisher Price interior meant we never got further than seeing one in the showroom. Mind you, from memory the Outlander we checked out at the same time wasn’t much better. We couldn’t stretch to a Grand Cherokee, so opted for Mazda’s excellent CX-7. No regrets there.
A certain lack of refinement in NVH is actually a considered positive factor in a Jeep. A call back to the rough and ready days. In the US Jeep offered two roughly parallel cars, the Liberty was more a successor of the older rougher Jeeps, and the Patriot more of a car dressed up as a Jeep. To my taste the Liberty was sort of common for its time melted stick of butter style of the time, while the Patriot actually harkened more back to the angular styling of the Cherokee (the opposite of their supposed function).
My late wife (who was American) liked the Liberty. I think it was considered a bit of a girl's car in the US. I wasn't keen on the styling, but I do like the angular look of the Patriot and Compass, even though I'd never buy a SUV on principle (I live in a big city, no need for them here.)
@@rich_edwards79 To look down at the Audi masses, and ride roughshod over the two-wheeled food delivery hordes. Yee hah! Where's an SUV when I need one?!! Big payment book numbers ahead, and ahead, and ahead...oh. It's a corporate lease. Never mind.
I love your driving impression videos. Especially on everyday vehicles like this. I'm impressed by its efficiency to be honest. That would actually be a great everyday vehicle. Would be interesting to know if your Falcon has more ground clearance though.
I think this might be when Cerberus took over Chrysler/Jeep at this time of manufacture, Daimler had enough and sold them. 2.4.litre and CVT were mostly sold in the US. My friend, now deceased, had one, after a owning a 1992 Jeep Cherokee. And many are still on the road where I am in upstate New York. The Jeep Renegade is basically a Fiat 500X.
Interesting review. My wife drives a 2017 Mitsubishi Outlander Sport (made in Japan, earlier models were made in the States). It has the Mitsubishi 2.4L (4B12 version of the GEMA engine) and the CVT (all CVTs are awful in my opinion, however this is one of the better ones). I can see similarities to the Patriot, but the build quality and materials in our car are first rate. You mentioned the a/c, it is one of the best air conditioning systems I have used, better than our Honda or Toyota. What you did not mention was the steering feel, in our car this really lets it down and does not do a good job of realigning the wheels, maybe I should get the tracking checked. This is a temporary car until our first EV arrives when we will totally re-evaluate our fleet and try to get down to 3 cars (from 6).
The first gen Patriot and Compass are essentially a more Jeep-esque. Dodge Caliber. They’re mostly reliable (for a Chrysler product) as long you have one that’s a manual. The CVTs that were in these cars were garbage because they’d eventually grenade themselves if you didn’t change the fluid every 50,000 miles (80,000 kms). The subframes also rot which is usually what kills them if the CVT doesn’t.
Also forgot to mention this but if you want a real cheap offroader that is actually capable and you want the pride of having a Jeep get a Liberty (2002-2007 and 2008-2012 Cherokee in Europe), Wrangler, or lightly modified Grand Cherokee. They’re much more capable than the PM platform cars.
...so the best thing about it is the exterior styling and the stereo - so it would make an excellent "garden monument/DJ booth", but a less good vehicle. One of the most "glowing" reviews of one of these I have seen. Cheers!
I used to diss this vehicle. Now I drive one (2014, 4wd, auto, 2.4L w/ 150k+ miles on the odo) as a company vehicle everyday in the US upper Midwest. There are some minor body squeaks and the trans/driveline wasn't properly serviced by the time it was issued to me at 133/k miles. The only real interior noises are from the gear I carry around. The mileage isn't great, but better than the 1/2 & 3/4 ton trucks most others are issued. It actually has a pretty decent ride (for what it is) and acceptable seats. People get caught up is dissing things for what they really aren't. If the company would let me get some good tires, it would have some decent off-road abilities. As it is, it's competent in on-road corners though. Plus it isn't full of useless crap, which I appreciate for long-term ownership.
Absaloutly brilliant video Ian miss hubnut❤👍 I used to have the Grande Cherokee Ltd 4 litre and that was very refined and smooth and fantastic for space brilliant
13:15 42mpg is pretty reasonable, thaught I'd add that I own a Freelander TD4 (albeit 8 years older) which you comment on as being a rival and I tend to get a similar figure from mixed driving, however on a recent trip to scotland it achieved 51mpg! (and yes it is still 4wd) so some of these smaller 4x4s can be suprisingly economical ot seams if they have the right engine.
@@tallblokesam honestly I don't know how I managed it either! it was real tank to tank mpg as there is no trip computer on mine. But it is suprisingly good. Prehaps I am helped by the narrower than most 195 profile wheels, good tyres, no A/C or body accessaries being a base model S. Conditions were pretty optimal!
My wife has a CR-V, that's what you want to buy, or the Toyota RAV4. These two are as reliable as it gets and have really good resale value as well as being great cars. As an American, this is note and American car. It was designed and signed off by a German company. Now Jeep is owned by an Italian and French company. What can go wrong.
I didn't realise that this JEEP was built on the same platform as the Mitsubishi Outlander. You need to drive a Honda CRV. My dad has a 2010 plate one and it is pretty decent. If you drive a CRV you will like that the pedals are linier with the driver and not off set, plus the MK2's had the clever folding seats.
I guess they gave up with the VM Motori diesels as often fitted to chrysler products outside of the US, but this one still seems to produce the clag that they were known for anyway... :P
Hit the nail on the head with school run.... I could see parents at my kids school using these and the only off roading it would do is bumping onto the kerb. Have to agree a bit more sound deadening might have made it a more pleasant drive, but going to have to say I would buy one just to take along to the car meets up here and pull out the speakers in the boot and crank up the bass.
@@HubNut Nothing about it to remember. You can't remember all "Gentleman's C+" grade WhatWasThatAgainIJustDrove to the scrapper? Outlandishly forgettable. Tut Tut. Next candidate!
"Pretty much o. k." - That is a wording I will add to my vocabulary as non native English speaker. It oozes irony, but only for those who are a bit used to the subject.
In Canada we never received either the diesel or six-speed. I did once rent a Patriot to drive 600 kms to my client's other site where I spent a week driving around in it before driving back home. It was a gasoline version with the cvt transmission and I disliked it a lot.
Style wise it has a lot of character from those days when everything arguably just looked odd. As you mention refinement is not one of the best points but maybe Jeep thought that it added character. Having worked in the States during the 2000's the interior quality and finish was somewhat different to the European vehicles so maybe priorities were steered in other directions. If I had to pigeon hole its 4x4 capability I would say its more soft roader than off roader like the vast majority of 4x4 SUV cars. Many thanks for sharing.
I've got one of these. I've had to replace one of the wheel hubs because the ABS sensor clip had rotted out (quite a common thing for these vehicles, apparently). However, other than that, it's been pretty good. The previous owner put lowered springs on it, so it sits a few inches lower. Most people seem to think it looks great like that. I don't, since I'm not a teenager, and I'll look to get the normal ones put back in. I mean, what's the point of a 4x4 if you haven't got the ground clearance to use it?!? Anyway, It's spacious enough with the seats down that we were able to transport our 4 greyhounds with us to a holiday in Wales and back in relative comfort. Also averaged about 54mpg en route, although that was 60mph most of the way. The only real criticism I have is the interior. I've got the pre-facelift version, and it looks like it's been taken from an 80's Datsun - all angles and cheap plastics .
Passed a silver one of these from traffic lights the other day in my 2.0 Grand vitara...All the Jeep seemed to do was produce black smoke and little else!!...😁
"Extreme on-roading" perfectly describes the conditions often experienced in Mindanao, Philippines. Filipinos have a great attachment to Jeeps, but surprisingly I haven't seen Patriots around.
My satnav took me up that steep hill the other week! I was surprised that our works 1 litre focus managed with ease although I was not sure I was going the right way!
I wish the vw tdi version was available in Canada. They would have sold like crazy. Tons of mk4 and 5 tdi's still on the road here, and lots are actually lifted, people love the mileage, if the partiot tdi was sold here i think they would have filled that void in the market.
I think it's awful, why would you have one instead of a Honda CR-V or something else that resembles a "quality product". I like car makers who actually put effort into designing & making their cars, but that's just me! 🙂 The Honda diesel engines (both the 2.2 and 1.6) are so smooth they almost sound like petrol engines too, so it shows a smooth four cylinder diesel engine can be done if only you put the effort in to balancing and good design & manufacturing.
It's not a bad looking car - I prefer the boxy, angular designs of the 2000s to both the 90s melted blob aesthetic and the current busy 'baby's trainer' look (though i understand how both of the latter are influenced by drag coefficients and cessh safety). However, I get the impression that Jeeps like this are mostly driven by crossfit enthusiasts with a boot full of Creatine, gamer dudebros who made a bit of cash from TH-cam livestreams and blonde women named Karen who park them on pavements ten feet from the school gates. They're like Hummers, but for peopke who can't afford Hummers.
I remember all the transit sounds I'm a FORD bloke mate!!!!!! I cud quite happily lick FORDS all day!!!!! The mk4 escort van ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ lowered ......amazing shape
I'm extremely meh on Jeeps I loved them but had no need for one. When I needed a 4x4 I immediately thought Jeep, got a 4 year old Grand Cherokee It was extremely ok and cost a small fortune to fuel and maintain.
You are a walking Encyclopedia Hubnut , I think you could rival that Chat GTP Artificial intelligence , I looked up about the Mitsubishi's in USA and they were lucky they got the Dodge Colt GTS Turbo it was very fast for the mid 80s
The gas 2.4 was the off-spring of the global engine alliance. Chrysler Hyundai Mitsubishi - very reliable engine easy to work on. My daughters Chrysler 200 has 215k Km and runs fine. The CVT was the primary choice in North America and it was a disaster.
For a strange reason when they first came out (Patriot and Compass) they were quite popular in Greece (petrol only, diesels were not allowed in Athens and Thessaloniki). Even the Police got some Patriots! Also, so nice looking countryside!
Suppose you have to ask how good was it in relation to other cars you might look at when it hit the market ? . a lot of that era of American had a sort of basic refreshing honesty about them over the more expensive German offerings which broke just as often , in some cases more so .
Yes, and nothing looked broken in the interior, and I couldn't discern rattles or squeaks despite this car being older and well used. Some anti-American bias creeping in perhaps?
@@frazzleface753 bias against American cars is a thing , but i think that comes mostly from not having any real experience with them ,and maybe some german car snobbery .
Ian I agree with you about my fellow Americans. They usually can't drive a manual gearbox anymore unless they want to. I won't bash you for saying the obvious.
Even if the Evo conversion isn't possible, there was a performance variant of the Dodge Caliber (also on the same platform), the SRT-4, with ~280hp through the front wheels, which would likely be an easy enough, ill-advised swap.
Jeep owners in the UK, have always struck me, as having being raised in a household, with lead water pipes, lead cutlery, lead toothbrushes, you get the picture.
There are people living in mountainous areas were buying an 4wd without serious off roading abilities make a lot of sence. Typical areas where they also get a lot of snow in the winter.
We own a 2007 Jeep Compass, witch is basically the same car. It has the 2.4 petrol engine with a 5 speed manual.. Weak spot of these cars are the control arms and the subframe. The subframe is often rotten and if so, it has to be replaced! You missed an gadget In the boot: The interior light can be taken out and changes into a flashlight. One last thing: The leather interior comes from synthetic cows.. 😂
Vw diesel engines seem to vary a lot in refinement depending on what they are in. I once had a 2017 seat Leon, and the 1.6tdi in that was very unrefined. Audible even at a steady throttle. Quiet at idle bizarrely but noisy under acceleration. I found myself envying Vauxhall astral diesels smoothness when I rode in a taxi! Even an ancient vectra was quieter. Not under acceleration but at steady throttle. A Citroen Picasso was a lot quieter. But I've been in passats with 2.0tdi in and they're refined in that.
It seems that later drive for better air quality and better fuel economy made it a tradeoff with NVH. The BMW EDE (efficientdynamics) are also not known for their refinement.
@@JJVernig that would make sense because my more refined mark 2 seat Leon was 2010 (euro 5) and at cruising speeds this was near silent whereas my newer and much noisier mark 3 seat Leon was 2017 (euro 6) and that was a lot louder. In addition it needed to automatically regenerate filter every 200 miles or so whereas my older car was more like 1000. No passive regeneration took place at higher speeds at all. It was all automatic. Suspect a way to lower NO2 emissions.
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In the U.S, these are just reliable enough that they're still on the road, but so bad that no one really wants to buy them. They've replaced the PT Cruiser as the go-to vehicle when you just need a running car and want to spend as little as possible.
How do they even give kbb values to these anyway? Toyotas stay so expensive but other brands drop like a rock. They say the value is based off of historical used car sale prices, but wouldn't the prices cars sell for already be affected by the KBB value? Then it would be an endless cycle of the KBB value changing the sale prices and the sale prices altering the KBB value n
"We can go anywhere a Ford Fiesta can go" - Love it!
Built for extreme on-roading! Good one Ian, and so accurate!
I own a 2008 Jeep Patriot 2.0CRD Limited and I agree with what you have stated here. I enjoy driving the Jeep but it's not as nice as some of the competition. But at least it stands out and is quite reliable compared to its land rover equivalent
There's a lot more of them still running than the Jeep!
@@brianlaunchbury4491 also as a mechanic I've worked on alot more land rovers etc than Jeeps
@@modmonsterscarclub3594 maybe because there are a lot more Land Rovers in the UK than jeeps
@@Iansea1967 it's due to the rover k series engines and hydraulically operated 4 wheel drive systems. Both are very good when they work right but equally bad when they go wrong which is too often the case
The automotive press hated the Jeep Patriot, but the people I know who've actually owned one were happy with it -- they just wish it got better fuel economy with the gas/petrol engines it came with here in the U.S., because styling a vehicle to look like a box on wheels unsurprisingly does not make it very aerodynamic.
A lot of comments saying how awful this car is. Yet here is one with 150k miles, nothing discernibly broken in the 'horrible' interior, or rattling/squeaking, ice cold air con, good ride over rough roads, comfortable seats. Can't see an awful lot wrong tbh, except for the loud diesel. BTW, love your channel, Kevin! ❤
Sadly I have patrol but my jeep patriot has been good to me . I've had it 2 years now. The only thing I had to do was replace the threattle body and a purge valve ( I bought it pre-owned). And the other only thing I hate about it is it is only front wheel drive.
"There's a lot of tissues in there, we won't ask questions" Absolutely hilarious 😂😂😂
Rural. Is an understatement. What lovely countryside.
Come for the underwhelming automobile, stay for the lush green fields.
@alastairward2774 Well, it is one way to see it. 😊
I had one of these on a 2008 plate. Slightly different, more angular interior and way more sound proofing. A decent vehicle really but the turbo blew inside 20k (replaced under warranty) then the engine spat it's dummy out at 62k!!! Sold for scrap after putting a claim in against Chrysler......which I won. Great vid and nice to see more of the average. Also Mrs hubnut, great camera work.
How can a vw engine fail so quickly?
VW reliability is a myth. Had a friend with a Skoda blow the diesel engine at 50k miles. Dealer said that was fair wear and tear!
I agree. I was told the VW PD130 turbodiesel was unburstable. I ended up with diesel runaway on the A1M after the turbo blew (it also had many more issues!) It had FSH and 74000 miles. I now have a Volvo D5 and it is better in every way. It has 200000 miles and has never been a bit of bother in the 10 years I've had it.
@@HubNut 50K was a lemon, they exist in all makes. These Vag diesel engines live happily in literally millions of high mileage cars. The 2.0 TDi PD 140 in my Audi Avant (like the one you reviewed a while back) is almost at a 1/4 of a million miles now. Very smooth and quiet too but that's down to sound deadening and more refined chassis, as you suggested - most diesels sound like tractors when the window is down - but in that cheap Jeep it's horrible! I changed the oil pump for a modified strengthened one - the only real weakness to them. (Same on the early Common rails, like this Jeep has - too short a hex shaft with weak materials) but that was at 230K, to be fair and the rest of the car is tight and good too. Long service intervals are the first thing that should be junked for life also. But agree that German invincible reliability and fine engineering is not always what its cracked up to be though.
Here in Canada I had a 2007 Jeep Compass 4x4 (same platform as the Patriot) with a 2.4L petrol and CVT it did 327,000 kms (203,000 miles) before we had to scrap it, best car we ever owned it and miss it. Oddly despite the cheap bland interior, the plastics held up pretty damn well and barley rattled plus the seats had little stress marks.
Very refreshing review Ian The 2.0 diesel were a little more refined than the 1.9TDI with 16 valves over the 8 . i recenly drove a 2.0 Golf and was totally bored . My 1.9 TDI from 98 is a tractor as they often seem to be from that era but i love its torque
Unlike their successors, the PD engines weren't hand grenades waiting to blow up.
I had the 2.0 PD 140 and that had some shove, sounded pretty horrible but had much more character than the CR replacement as you say.
The PD 130/150 is one of the best small diesel engines ever imo.
The newer CR140/170 is alot more refined as you stated but they don't come close to the reliability and bulletproof nature of the PD, they also aren't anywhere near as fun to drive
Especially with the sheer amount of aftermarket modifications available for the PD engine now a days.
Theres quite a few that are easily making 320hp with a few bolt ons and a tune.
I had the PD150 Leon Mk1 up until I went to an A5 3.0TDi & as much as I love the 3.0tdi especially how it sounds, I always miss driving the Leon!
Shame it got stolen whilst being worked on last year 😞
PD130 was the best
I had one of these and loved it. Only got rid due to getting the opportunity to trade it in for a nice 3 series BMW, but did really love the Patriot. Never had any problems in the 3 years I owned it.
They're nice and unique if you want something different, and quite practical too. But man do they have some issues, early models had major subframe problems both front and rear, ABS faults very common, oil pump issues resulting in an oil starved engine, turbo issues, power steering issues, rear arches rot in real-time whilst you look at them. It's a shame as if Chrysler had put just a bit more money into them they could have been great. Have one sat outside needing all of the above, can't bring myself to get rid but can't justify the cost either, it's one of those cars.
The Diesel (and manual transmission!) were forbidden fruit for us here in the home market. I encountered one of these things on the trail while Jeeping in Colorado. I specifically recall encountering a particularly nasty muddy dip in the trail, that the Patriot owner gingerly drove around. I was right behind him in a Wrangler JL Rubicon, so I just forged straight ahead 😂
A decent car for trailer pulling, isn’t it? Nice road test with the British humour I like so much…
Always know it's the height of summer when Hubnut gets those Sandals out again 😜
#Legend
The vehicle sums itself up neatly with one word on the tailgate...
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I love the phrase extreme on-roading 😂 perhaps jeep could use that in its marketing.
I love it when Hubnut does a car review. Very informative and entertaining.
If I remember correctly, later models had a Mercedes 2.2 engine, in place of the VW unit. Not sure if the refinement was improved by that change.
Not my kind of vehicle, but it seems like a perfectly acceptable Freelander alternative.
This sort of car would be ideal for my job. I live in a rural area, have to use my own car for work, and have to go to wherever my customer’s house is located. The slightly tougher nature of this Jeep, and four wheel drive, would probably cope with whatever I threw at it. But because I’m not wise, I’ve bought a Mondeo instead; 2WD, large, and mostly unsuited to the unmade and narrow roads I often find myself on. I just can’t bring myself to buy an SUV, despite being someone who has a use case for one as a daily driver.
I had exactly the same problem. Also Ireland's punitive. (and illegal according to eu) car tax rates . Grand a year for a ranger
I cured it by getting a second hand fiat Panda 4x4 with slightly larger tyres than normal.whipped the back seats out for tools and I've never looked back .I'm on my first new shape one for the last 6 years. Its just as good as the old boxy one
Sometimes needs must and you have to be creative.!
Maybe something like a Volvo 4x4 estate, or a Subaru Legacy or similar?
@@michaelstamper5604 Volvo's 4wd system is one best avoided, at least for the older ones, they're very brittle.
Interior reminds of my old Chrysler PT cruiser,i loved that styling especially linked to the 2.2 merc lump. The ride was surprisingly tight & pretty capable on the quicker roads.
I did toy with the Idea of buying a jeep but was soon put off with the price of parts like with the PT cruiser. Now where did i put my violin case😂
I liked the PT cruiser, some people hated it
I had a Chrysler neon which the cruiser was based and that was awesome
Phase 2 PT CRD is a blinding motor 👍👍
@@dizzy2020 Get away... The Phase 1 was a nice place to be bar the numbering on the dials which was vile at night. The Phase2 did a decent job of mimicing a 40's US sedan, which was the point. Materials were very American but it you didn't hit them with a hammer they stood up to abuse well enough
@@itsmephil2255my American sister-in-law had a Neon as a cheap beater in the mid-2000s, definitely not a car to withstand the New England winters! I think she managed to kill it inside of a year, she drives an old Tahoe now.
@@rich_edwards79 I miss my neon, last reported to be in London.....untaxed and no MOT or whatever
Would love to buy it back
The centre passenger on the back seat has to be legless because their footwell is filled with cupholder, as thin as a lamppost because the seat and even the headrest are incredibly narrow but with incredibly long arms to reach the seatbelt that's next to the tailgate
I could be wrong but I think secondhand good value for little money...I have always liked them..My neighbour has a Lovely Red one ...No problems and he loves it...!!!
We considered one back when they were new. That Fisher Price interior meant we never got further than seeing one in the showroom. Mind you, from memory the Outlander we checked out at the same time wasn’t much better. We couldn’t stretch to a Grand Cherokee, so opted for Mazda’s excellent CX-7. No regrets there.
A certain lack of refinement in NVH is actually a considered positive factor in a Jeep. A call back to the rough and ready days. In the US Jeep offered two roughly parallel cars, the Liberty was more a successor of the older rougher Jeeps, and the Patriot more of a car dressed up as a Jeep. To my taste the Liberty was sort of common for its time melted stick of butter style of the time, while the Patriot actually harkened more back to the angular styling of the Cherokee (the opposite of their supposed function).
Liberty was sold here as a Cherokee. I like the look of them.
My late wife (who was American) liked the Liberty. I think it was considered a bit of a girl's car in the US. I wasn't keen on the styling, but I do like the angular look of the Patriot and Compass, even though I'd never buy a SUV on principle (I live in a big city, no need for them here.)
@@rich_edwards79 To look down at the Audi masses, and ride roughshod over the two-wheeled food delivery hordes. Yee hah! Where's an SUV when I need one?!! Big payment book numbers ahead, and ahead, and ahead...oh. It's a corporate lease. Never mind.
I love your driving impression videos. Especially on everyday vehicles like this. I'm impressed by its efficiency to be honest. That would actually be a great everyday vehicle. Would be interesting to know if your Falcon has more ground clearance though.
I think this might be when Cerberus took over Chrysler/Jeep at this time of manufacture, Daimler had enough and sold them.
2.4.litre and CVT were mostly sold in the US. My friend, now deceased, had one, after a owning a 1992 Jeep Cherokee.
And many are still on the road where I am in upstate New York. The Jeep Renegade is basically a Fiat 500X.
Interesting review. My wife drives a 2017 Mitsubishi Outlander Sport (made in Japan, earlier models were made in the States). It has the Mitsubishi 2.4L (4B12 version of the GEMA engine) and the CVT (all CVTs are awful in my opinion, however this is one of the better ones). I can see similarities to the Patriot, but the build quality and materials in our car are first rate. You mentioned the a/c, it is one of the best air conditioning systems I have used, better than our Honda or Toyota. What you did not mention was the steering feel, in our car this really lets it down and does not do a good job of realigning the wheels, maybe I should get the tracking checked. This is a temporary car until our first EV arrives when we will totally re-evaluate our fleet and try to get down to 3 cars (from 6).
Can't believe how loud that engine is, I've had a couple of golfs and a Passat coupe with that lump and they were nice and quiet inside.
The first gen Patriot and Compass are essentially a more Jeep-esque. Dodge Caliber. They’re mostly reliable (for a Chrysler product) as long you have one that’s a manual. The CVTs that were in these cars were garbage because they’d eventually grenade themselves if you didn’t change the fluid every 50,000 miles (80,000 kms). The subframes also rot which is usually what kills them if the CVT doesn’t.
Also forgot to mention this but if you want a real cheap offroader that is actually capable and you want the pride of having a Jeep get a Liberty (2002-2007 and 2008-2012 Cherokee in Europe), Wrangler, or lightly modified Grand Cherokee. They’re much more capable than the PM platform cars.
...so the best thing about it is the exterior styling and the stereo - so it would make an excellent "garden monument/DJ booth", but a less good vehicle. One of the most "glowing" reviews of one of these I have seen. Cheers!
I like how you've colour-graded the outtakes differently from the finished shots. Unless that's just my poor colour vision.
I used to diss this vehicle. Now I drive one (2014, 4wd, auto, 2.4L w/ 150k+ miles on the odo) as a company vehicle everyday in the US upper Midwest. There are some minor body squeaks and the trans/driveline wasn't properly serviced by the time it was issued to me at 133/k miles. The only real interior noises are from the gear I carry around. The mileage isn't great, but better than the 1/2 & 3/4 ton trucks most others are issued. It actually has a pretty decent ride (for what it is) and acceptable seats.
People get caught up is dissing things for what they really aren't.
If the company would let me get some good tires, it would have some decent off-road abilities. As it is, it's competent in on-road corners though. Plus it isn't full of useless crap, which I appreciate for long-term ownership.
I think these had the 2.0 pumpe duse engine rather than the later 2.0 common rail, which probably explains why it's not particularly refined.
Absaloutly brilliant video Ian miss hubnut❤👍 I used to have the Grande Cherokee Ltd 4 litre and that was very refined and smooth and fantastic for space brilliant
I have a 4.0 Grand Cherokee, love the smooth power, but at 15.9 MPG, I can't wait till the LPG conversion is repaired!
*Absolutely
13:15 42mpg is pretty reasonable, thaught I'd add that I own a Freelander TD4 (albeit 8 years older) which you comment on as being a rival and I tend to get a similar figure from mixed driving, however on a recent trip to scotland it achieved 51mpg! (and yes it is still 4wd) so some of these smaller 4x4s can be suprisingly economical ot seams if they have the right engine.
Dunno how you managed 51! I've also got a TD4 Freelander 1 - with its prop and topped out at 41.5 on a run from Nottingham to Girvan..
@@tallblokesam honestly I don't know how I managed it either! it was real tank to tank mpg as there is no trip computer on mine. But it is suprisingly good. Prehaps I am helped by the narrower than most 195 profile wheels, good tyres, no A/C or body accessaries being a base model S. Conditions were pretty optimal!
My wife has a CR-V, that's what you want to buy, or the Toyota RAV4. These two are as reliable as it gets and have really good resale value as well as being great cars. As an American, this is note and American car. It was designed and signed off by a German company. Now Jeep is owned by an Italian and French company. What can go wrong.
I didn't realise that this JEEP was built on the same platform as the Mitsubishi Outlander.
You need to drive a Honda CRV. My dad has a 2010 plate one and it is pretty decent. If you drive a CRV you will like that the pedals are linier with the driver and not off set, plus the MK2's had the clever folding seats.
CRV test coming soon. 😉
I guess they gave up with the VM Motori diesels as often fitted to chrysler products outside of the US, but this one still seems to produce the clag that they were known for anyway... :P
Hit the nail on the head with school run.... I could see parents at my kids school using these and the only off roading it would do is bumping onto the kerb. Have to agree a bit more sound deadening might have made it a more pleasant drive, but going to have to say I would buy one just to take along to the car meets up here and pull out the speakers in the boot and crank up the bass.
10:28. 'a goodly amount of bass on offer'. Great adjective you've invented, there 👍
Yep this is the sort of road test I love. 150bhp produced by a diesel engine, I’m guessing the maximum torque is pretty impressive.
11:23 To my knowledge the C4 Aircross and C-Zero (both Mitsubishi clones just like the C-Crosser) were also made in Japan.
Ah yes! Forgot the C-Zero.
@@HubNut Nothing about it to remember. You can't remember all "Gentleman's C+" grade WhatWasThatAgainIJustDrove to the scrapper? Outlandishly forgettable. Tut Tut. Next candidate!
"Pretty much o. k." - That is a wording I will add to my vocabulary as non native English speaker. It oozes irony, but only for those who are a bit used to the subject.
In Canada we never received either the diesel or six-speed. I did once rent a Patriot to drive 600 kms to my client's other site where I spent a week driving around in it before driving back home. It was a gasoline version with the cvt transmission and I disliked it a lot.
Style wise it has a lot of character from those days when everything arguably just looked odd. As you mention refinement is not one of the best points but maybe Jeep thought that it added character. Having worked in the States during the 2000's the interior quality and finish was somewhat different to the European vehicles so maybe priorities were steered in other directions. If I had to pigeon hole its 4x4 capability I would say its more soft roader than off roader like the vast majority of 4x4 SUV cars. Many thanks for sharing.
From 2010 onwards the engine was a 2.2 litre mercedes diesel engine. I had mine for 9 years and was sorry to lose it.
Quality got better lately Horray😜🔝❤️
I had a Jeep Compass in the states back in 2013 for a few weeks, it wasn't bad but the interior was a bit pants
I've got one of these. I've had to replace one of the wheel hubs because the ABS sensor clip had rotted out (quite a common thing for these vehicles, apparently). However, other than that, it's been pretty good.
The previous owner put lowered springs on it, so it sits a few inches lower. Most people seem to think it looks great like that. I don't, since I'm not a teenager, and I'll look to get the normal ones put back in. I mean, what's the point of a 4x4 if you haven't got the ground clearance to use it?!?
Anyway, It's spacious enough with the seats down that we were able to transport our 4 greyhounds with us to a holiday in Wales and back in relative comfort. Also averaged about 54mpg en route, although that was 60mph most of the way.
The only real criticism I have is the interior. I've got the pre-facelift version, and it looks like it's been taken from an 80's Datsun - all angles and cheap plastics .
Airways enjoy the Hubnut analysis, thank you.
Passed a silver one of these from traffic lights the other day in my 2.0 Grand vitara...All the Jeep seemed to do was produce black smoke and little else!!...😁
What genius in naming this raucous effort the Limited. It was apparently almost tagged as a Mundano, but they feared Ford might object.
To be fair, that same engine I thought had poor NVH characteristics in a SEAT Leon too, creating a nasty rattle in the front passenger footwell
"Extreme on-roading" perfectly describes the conditions often experienced in Mindanao, Philippines. Filipinos have a great attachment to Jeeps, but surprisingly I haven't seen Patriots around.
My satnav took me up that steep hill the other week! I was surprised that our works 1 litre focus managed with ease although I was not sure I was going the right way!
I wish the vw tdi version was available in Canada. They would have sold like crazy. Tons of mk4 and 5 tdi's still on the road here, and lots are actually lifted, people love the mileage, if the partiot tdi was sold here i think they would have filled that void in the market.
I used to have a VW Passat 1.9TDI 130bhp SE 4motion 03. I kept it for 6yrs great car.
Had me a 17 Compass. Nice comfortable and good on gas
Beautiful demonstration at 14:32 of some world class "Palming" 😁
I think all Jeeps of that era had light steering for full palming potential.
Wonder who supplied the manual transmission - rare here in the US. Chrysler era Jeep auto transmission is notorious.
I own this car but it's 2007 not a diesel. Great vehicle rusted out but still running great at 190k miles
Apparently Volkswagen gave them the engines that failed their quality control 😂.
VW bought Bentley. BMW got the Rolls-Royce badge.
@@HubNut and stole MINI from Rover.
Well, they did own Rover at the time... Quickly realised it was a mistake so took the good bits (Mini and Land Rover).
Much better towing vehicle than the Berlingo 👍
I think it's awful, why would you have one instead of a Honda CR-V or something else that resembles a "quality product". I like car makers who actually put effort into designing & making their cars, but that's just me! 🙂 The Honda diesel engines (both the 2.2 and 1.6) are so smooth they almost sound like petrol engines too, so it shows a smooth four cylinder diesel engine can be done if only you put the effort in to balancing and good design & manufacturing.
It's not a bad looking car - I prefer the boxy, angular designs of the 2000s to both the 90s melted blob aesthetic and the current busy 'baby's trainer' look (though i understand how both of the latter are influenced by drag coefficients and cessh safety). However, I get the impression that Jeeps like this are mostly driven by crossfit enthusiasts with a boot full of Creatine, gamer dudebros who made a bit of cash from TH-cam livestreams and blonde women named Karen who park them on pavements ten feet from the school gates. They're like Hummers, but for peopke who can't afford Hummers.
Funny you said Escort van as I was thinking Transit at that point - and not a recent one either!
I remember all the transit sounds
I'm a FORD bloke mate!!!!!!
I cud quite happily lick FORDS all day!!!!!
The mk4 escort van ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ lowered ......amazing shape
Your down to earth objective narrative is as always refreshing ,you are too kind to this Jeep .
I'm extremely meh on Jeeps
I loved them but had no need for one. When I needed a 4x4 I immediately thought Jeep, got a 4 year old Grand Cherokee
It was extremely ok and cost a small fortune to fuel and maintain.
Please test a Buchanka or UAZ 469 :-)))
I remember Jeeps of that generation coming off the boats at Portbury and driving them to the compounds and thinking how rough they were.
You are a walking Encyclopedia Hubnut , I think you could rival that Chat GTP Artificial intelligence , I looked up about the Mitsubishi's in USA and they were lucky they got the Dodge Colt GTS Turbo it was very fast for the mid 80s
What a perfect addition to the fleet…Welsh winter winner😃💪
Nice to see you using Bow Street tran station car park!
It’s a limited 4x4 diesel. It’s got the info center and the sub if it has nav this is so cool
dashboard was lit up like Blackpool Illuminations....i like the grand Cherokee in 4.0 litre form
The gas 2.4 was the off-spring of the global engine alliance. Chrysler Hyundai Mitsubishi - very reliable engine easy to work on. My daughters Chrysler 200 has 215k Km and runs fine.
The CVT was the primary choice in North America and it was a disaster.
For a strange reason when they first came out (Patriot and Compass) they were quite popular in Greece (petrol only, diesels were not allowed in Athens and Thessaloniki).
Even the Police got some Patriots!
Also, so nice looking countryside!
Suppose you have to ask how good was it in relation to other cars you might look at when it hit the market ? . a lot of that era of American had a sort of basic refreshing honesty about them over the more expensive German offerings which broke just as often , in some cases more so .
Yes, and nothing looked broken in the interior, and I couldn't discern rattles or squeaks despite this car being older and well used. Some anti-American bias creeping in perhaps?
@@frazzleface753 bias against American cars is a thing , but i think that comes mostly from not having any real experience with them ,and maybe some german car snobbery .
I chuckle when I see 'limited' on the back of American cars.
A good vehicle for space & family. But a bit rough & ready.
Ian I agree with you about my fellow Americans. They usually can't drive a manual gearbox anymore unless they want to. I won't bash you for saying the obvious.
Did 800miles in a petrol auto Patriot un 2011 in the US. Very comfortable car. Could make a good Hubnut tow car?
"A lot of tissues in there, we won't ask questions..." 😆🤣🤣
When well we see a Volvo S60? 😊😊 "one of the pretties sedans of the era" 😊😊😊
Doing the light shots at the end, it sounded like the Land Rover 110 used at Prince Phillips funeral
I suppose the bonus of the citroen and peugeot versions of that chasiss is that they had the superior peugeot HDI engines instead of the VW diesels.
One of our teachers at primary school had one of these and we all thought he was very cool to have a Jeep, little did we know...
Always liked the look of these,but would want a 3.0 straight six upfront like a BMW M57, would be a great combo
Even if the Evo conversion isn't possible, there was a performance variant of the Dodge Caliber (also on the same platform), the SRT-4, with ~280hp through the front wheels, which would likely be an easy enough, ill-advised swap.
Jeep owners in the UK, have always struck me, as having being raised in a household, with lead water pipes, lead cutlery, lead toothbrushes, you get the picture.
This is one of those cars that I like but I have absolutely no idea why
Funnily enough, C-RV test coming soon...
@@HubNut Nice! 😃 I don't know if you got the three-door H-RVs with the roof spoilers in the UK, but I always thought they were neat!
There are people living in mountainous areas were buying an 4wd without serious off roading abilities make a lot of sence. Typical areas where they also get a lot of snow in the winter.
Love the outtakes 😂
7:22
What are you upset about now?
I have expected to hear a voice from the car in night rider style saying I want to be a Land Rover 😂😂😂😂😂
I guess that's why got the nickname heep
Golf, Touran, Audi A4, etc,etc etc...That's the Pumpedusche :)
We own a 2007 Jeep Compass, witch is basically the same car. It has the 2.4 petrol engine with a 5 speed manual..
Weak spot of these cars are the control arms and the subframe. The subframe is often rotten and if so, it has to be replaced!
You missed an gadget In the boot: The interior light can be taken out and changes into a flashlight.
One last thing: The leather interior comes from synthetic cows.. 😂
Vw diesel engines seem to vary a lot in refinement depending on what they are in. I once had a 2017 seat Leon, and the 1.6tdi in that was very unrefined. Audible even at a steady throttle. Quiet at idle bizarrely but noisy under acceleration. I found myself envying Vauxhall astral diesels smoothness when I rode in a taxi! Even an ancient vectra was quieter. Not under acceleration but at steady throttle. A Citroen Picasso was a lot quieter. But I've been in passats with 2.0tdi in and they're refined in that.
It seems that later drive for better air quality and better fuel economy made it a tradeoff with NVH. The BMW EDE (efficientdynamics) are also not known for their refinement.
@@JJVernig that would make sense because my more refined mark 2 seat Leon was 2010 (euro 5) and at cruising speeds this was near silent whereas my newer and much noisier mark 3 seat Leon was 2017 (euro 6) and that was a lot louder. In addition it needed to automatically regenerate filter every 200 miles or so whereas my older car was more like 1000. No passive regeneration took place at higher speeds at all. It was all automatic. Suspect a way to lower NO2 emissions.
Just Every Essential Part.