@@texmexshoots Yeah 5lbs is not even what i'd consider heavy. I put the galloway trigger in my LCP max, it's pretty outstanding, I uploaded a review. It's really amazing how much aftermarket support there already is for this pistol. What rounds do you carry in yours?
Bought my Lcp max a few weeks ago and finally got it to the range today. I ran 50 rounds each of federal fmj, fiocchi fmj and ten rounds of sig v crown, they all ran through flawlessly! In my opinion I don’t think it’s as snappy as some commentators suggest and it’s so damn easy to carry everyday. Highly recommended adding the max to your edc rotation
Thanks for watching Brandon! I agree that it is not that snappy. Especially compared to other pocket sized 380s. It is a fairly smooth shooting pistol for its size. Glad yo u like your Max!
Ruger isn't known for consistent quality, matter of fact they're known for inconsistency, so some pistols will work flawlessly while others will require improvement done by the owner or Ruger. Lots of people recommend polishing the feed ramp and breach face of the slide and I've had to do that personally to get the first couple of rounds in a full mag to cycle without issue. It will still hang if you don't slingshot the slide on the loading of the first round but that's what you're supposed to do with any auto pistol anyway. For anyone who still has cycling problems there are heavier (13/14 lb) recoil springs that will solve that but it will make it harder to load for people with weaker grip strength so it's a trade-off.
I have the LCP & the LCP Max, neither one has ever experienced a malfunction of any kind. When I had the Kahr it would not get through a single mag absent some sort of problem. I always carried the LCP w/the factory 7 round extended mag coupled w/a Hogue grip sleeve to help w/my XLG hands. The Max is carried w/the 12 round mag for the same reason & I’m going to order a Hogue grip sleeve for it too.
On a few firearms forums, I have read people having issues with their Kahrs. I've owned three myself, an MK9 Elite, P9 Covert and the P380. Most of the complaints I've read were about the PM9 and a few on the P380. I personally never had an issue with any of mine when fired properly and I carried all of them at some point. But small pistols can be finicky and some require a break in due to the small and stiff recoil springs they use. That is one thing about the Max, the spring is relatively light for its size.
Thanks Tex Mex, you put a lot of work into this video. The range trip was obviously after work as I could see your work shirt sleeve when shooting. (I'm so glad that I retired not long ago) We, you certainly educated me a good bit on on these little pocket .380's. I bought the Ruger LCP last year and mainly I wanted something with little to no sights because my thought is I didn't want it hanging on the sights in a draw and secondly I felt it likely that I would not use the sights in an up close situation. Also, it is a back up to my Hellcat concealed carry. I have found that sometimes I use it in an ankle holster. I certainly would not mind having the LCP Max as it looks to be a whole lot better gun with more capacity, better trigger and sights. Thanks again for the info you provided. Get well soon 🙏🏼😊
Thanks Cervus! I haven't been able to get out of town for some time. Right now my weekends are filled with club volleyball tournaments. Hence my only video had to be made on a weekday after work. Luckily I'll be escaping the city in a couple of weeks. The standard LCP is perfect as a back up. As it is, I shot it relatively well at 5 yards. Plus in a high stress situation at close range, the sights won't really matter. I like the Max and having 11 rounds is nice. Especially since the pocket pistol is all I can carry for certain situations. Congrats on being retired! I still have a few years to go. Assuming I ever actually retire. Having daughters makes me think otherwise. 😅 Thanks for the prayers and I hope you and your family are healthy and happy. Take care and Stay Safe!
I have a Beretta 92FS that several years ago now I carried on a contract security job. As part of the qualification we had to do both day and night firing. By the time I did the night firing I had been up almost 20 hours. Fatigue caused limp wristing and it was the only time the pistol I have had since the mid 1990's has had a failure. Getting an LCP Max this week so I will remember this video.
Thanks for watching Keith. I'm sure you will like the pistol. To be fair, it only had issues a couple of times when I tried to limp wrist while firing. It's possible that with some extra rounds through it, the problem resolved itself. But something I would certainly try yourself when you are breaking in the pistol. Good luck!
I have the kahr p380 and I wished so much it was a good gun but I would never trust my life with it. So many malfunctions of all kinds. I even sent it off to kahr and they sent it back “fixed”, which was bs, it’s just as bad. I bought all the ammo from cheap to the very best most expensive, kahr p380 is not a reliable gun. And you would think for what the price is on it that it would be excellent. My first gen Ruger lcp NEVER EVER had any kind of malfunction, it shoots EVERYTHING! Good job Ruger!
Thanks for watching jbravo70. I'm sorry to hear about the problems you had with your Kahr. I agree that the Ruger LCP is a great pistol and should serve you well!
I have the Kahr P380. What I have found is that it is extremely ammo picky. Find the right ammo for it and it runs like a boss, but random .380 ammo causes issues.
@@grahamohea2424 Thanks for the info Graham! Mine seems to work well with the Hornady Critical Defense. It's my go to for pocket pistols in both 380 and 9mm.
@@texmexshoots I'm personally more of an HST guy myself, but I do find I get better results with Gold Dot in the Kahr P380. For most of my shooting though, I use 100gr round nose hand loads tuned to the P380 and I get fantastic results, both in reliability and in accuracy for such a small gun. It is a shame that I have to do that, that the .380 Kahr is so ammo picky, because my 9mm and .40 Kahrs eat everything
@@grahamohea2424 Thanks for the info Graham! Maybe polishing the feed ramp might help? I honestly have not tried many different types through the P380. I've done the critical defense, some Sig ammo and gold dots and plenty of wichester/federal UMC practice fmj. I've only put about 300 rounds through her and she has fed it all. But I also have a habit of keeping the slide rails nice and oiled.
I borrowed a Walther P22 from a friend to see how well it shot. She delivered it to me in a cloth Crown Royal bag. In comparison the Crown Royal bag was pretty sexy. It was a nice gun BTW. I've shot the LCP and was not favorably impressed. I'd rather carry an Airweight 5-shot with a pointy stick stuck in eye then shoot the LCP. I would try a LCP2 if one came my way here in SoCal. The Max looks very interesting. That was a good comparison. Thanks.
Thanks for watching Frank! And a Crown Royal bag is a step above a ziplock. It's fancier and looks less like you are participating in a drug deal when you pick up the pistol from your friend.😆
The Kahr is - in my opinion - has a fantastic trigger for a double action pistol, far better than any double action pistol I own. If you love glock-style triggers and aren't used to double action, you'll probably hate the Kahr (and abhor the original LCP and the S&W Bodyguard). While the LCP Max Trigger is perfectly good, I prefer the Karhr's trigger. I don't even prefer double action, I'm both used to them and it's one of the best double action trigger pulls (def. the smoothest). Personally, I think both the Kahr and the Max could have a place in one's carry rotation. The Max is just an all-around great gun and you can't beat the capacity relative to size yet anywhere in the market. For the absolute best concealment for shorts and t-shirt weather, the Kahr (or the LCP or Bodyguard) can be a good choice. For most people, the size difference is so negligible that the Max just makes the most sense 100% of the time. So, if you only have one - the LCP Max is a great choice. If you can afford a second, super deep carry option, one of the single stack micros makes sense.
Thanks for watching James. I agree with your assessment. I rotate the Kahr and the Max depending on the situation. I like the Max’s capacity and shootability but I also like the Kahr’s size and weight.
I shot this alongside the P365-380 and while this one was snappier (of course), it wasn't so snappy as to cause me to dislike it. I enjoyed them both and think they are both worth the money.
Thanks for watching Rose! I think it's wonderful that firearms manufacturers are listening to the public and providing lots of different options for carry purposes. Just twenty years ago the options for good pocket pistols or small 9mm's were few at best. Now consumers can try different models and pick what works best for them.
Great video! THANKS, I own all 3 of these. There's no beating the P380 trigger, but there's no beating the price and capacity of the Max. Protip-You might try adding the Magguts to the P380 mags, netting you a total of 7+1 and 8+1. I carry the P380 with 9 rounds and it is an excellent shooter.
Once the LCP Max came out, it was game over for me - in terms of what the right firearm was for me. 12+1 rounds and can fit in my gym shorts (which is what I wear 90% of the time) without dragging them down? Come on! It's the best!
Thanks for watching saurabhnow. The Max is the best pistol Ruger has come out with in a long time. Good capacity, small and still easy to shoot. What's not to like!
I got the LCP MAX I have shot about 300 rounds out of it and have had ZERO jams or anything it is such a nice pocket Pistol . Good quality and all. I love it!
The LCP shown in your video is the original LCP with the horrible sights. In 2013, LCP improved the sights and trigger (shorter travel, nice clean break, still two stage reset), probably because Kahr was coming out with the CW380 to compete with Ruger on price. This improved LCP model was known as Gen 2 and came out three years before the LCP 2. The Gen 2 was loved, and Ruger still makes it today. If you buy the regular LCP today, you are getting the Gen 2. The original LCP had a dash in the serial number. Gen 2s have no dash. At $259, it's hard to beat. I installed the Galloway 13 lb spring and stainless guide rod. Also a metal takedown pin and a Hogue grip sleeve. It has been flawless. My groupings are the size of a 50 cent piece at 21 feet.
That sounds like some great shooting! Thank you for the info on the different models and when they are offered. It is very helpful! Take care and stay safe.
This is extremely helpful info. When you search on LCP's there is a barrage of "light crappy pistol" posts". No doubt referring to the original. @ Parker, Thanks :)
I found the LCP for 199 at Academy. Hard for me to not strongly consider the LCP over the Max. I don't doubt the Max is overall better, but is it almost double the price better?
That's a great price for a great little gun. If you are ever in a gun fight where you need the 8th, 9th, 10th or 11th rounds, then the Max was worth the extra scratch. If not, probably not. Hard to know in advance... @@paulcarlin5181
I've never heard of a LCP Gen 2 being available before the LCP II. I see the standard LCP still avaiable, but figured those are overstock, or Ruger decided to keep making it to reach a certain market.
Thanks for watching Miko! The P380 is a great little pistol. When it comes to size, the Kahr can't be beat for being shootable and tiny at the same time.
Yes, that first click is called the "false reset" and it is well known. You have to let the trigger alllll the way out to get a full reset. The Kel-Tec P3AT does the exact same thing, which isn't surprising since the Ruger LCP is pretty much a straight copy.
I love comparison videos that never come to a conclusion! I always watch the last few minutes of a video and if they say "it's up to you" I don't bother watching it.
Thanks for watching and I am sorry I did not give you the conclusion you were looking for. I think you can not beat the Max for pocket carry. It big enough to shoot well but small enough to fit well in your pocket with the right holster. I still like the Kahr though. It is much smaller and easier to carry. So although i like the Max quite a bit, I will occasionally carry the Kahr when I need something smaller or lighter for shorts.
The LCP comes with the finger extension if you prefer it. I never use it. It just gets in my way. I prefer the LCP Gen 2 (No Dash Serial Number) or LCP Custom trigger to the LCP II or LCP Max trigger. But then I started out with revolvers.
I've never had the pleasure of trying either of those triggers, but I'm glad they work for you. I could see how training with a revolver would accustom you to a specific trigger pull. Thanks for watching!
In my state, transporting firearms must me in closed in a case. Zip lock bag is with in the law plus a finger salute. It’s funny, I like your friend’s humor!
The khars spring is so tight and that’s why you need a good grip on it. I love my CW 380. Shoots like a dream compared to the other competitors In this vid.
I understand I reach for my cw380 more than any of the guns in my rotation more so that I live in hot Florida, I mean the ergonomics of the gun make it the most outstanding concealable 380 on the market in my estimation. my wallet is harder to conceal carry🤠
Here it is August 9th 2024 and there is FINALLY an ultimate 380, high capacity pistol that is a micro-compact that shoots like a dream. It's the NEW S&W Bodyguard 2.0.CHECK IT OUT!
I'm sure the Bodyguard 2.0 is a great pistol, although I haven't had a chance to test one yet. However it appears the LCP Max still has a size advantage. Which is important to me when using pocket carry holsters.
@@texmexshoots you won't think that when you go see one in person. I thought the same thing. Ruger should just stop making the Max all together. I have more than one Max, and the Max doesn't even compare in every category that's thrown at it. I like my max pistols, but there is no comparison. You'll see. You will be coming home with one.
The original lcp has two generations the gen 2 has a slightly better sight a better trigger and a few other internal upgrades. Trigger and sight were the biggest complaints. The lcp you have is pretty old those are the rough ones. And no I’m not talking about the lcp2. I have a gen 2 original lcp and it’s pretty smooth also have a max and it’s just even better especially with the sights.
@@christownsend316 That's an excellent question. The difference between the Gen 1 & 2 LCP (not the LCPII) is that the Gen 2 has slightly taller sights and the serial numbers will not have a dash. The easiest way to distinguish either of them from the LCP II is the trigger blade safety.
Thanks a ton Antonio! Sorry for the late reply. For some reason it didn't come up on my feed. That really is a great site for size comparisons. Use it all the time.
So that;s not what they mean by inserting a "fresh" mag? HA HA Sealed in a Zip Loc bag. The trigger on the LCPII is nearly identical to the Max. I have the LCPII and for a deep concealment pistol it's 4 1/2lb trigger pull and reset are pretty darn good
Thanks for watching Frank! The LCP II does seem to be a great combination of the smaller LCP size but with the better trigger and sights. Unfortunately none of my local buddies had one for the comparison.
Thanks for watching Joseph. Replied earlier but seems youtube is having some issues. The Kahr P380 is an amazing pistol and can not be beat when it comes to size and concealability.
Kahr p380. .75” wide, weighs 10 ounces. Double action. Best for pocket carry. Anything bigger and might as well get a micro 9. The sig would be boss if it was sa/da
The extra capacity does make it stand out above the rest. Although I was surprised at how well I shot the Kahr considering its size. However the Max has the capacity and a better trigger. The Kahr and LCP's triggers had looooooong pulls.
@@texmexshoots Kahr's are really in all reality Glocks with outstanding DAO triggers. I really wish they'd come out with a 1.5 stack of their own, because having only single stack guns they have been pretty much left in the dust by everyone.
@@Valorius I agree o both counts. They are a complete Glock knockoff. You can even see the same pattern on the back of the slide. They need to start innovating on their magazines like Sig did with the 365 (then Springfield with the Hellcat) and Ruger with the Max. Getting that extra capacity without making the grip much thicker is a game changer.
Hardly, but I like your enthusiasm. Extra capacity is always nice, but first hits on target matter more than capacity every time. I've got the Ruger and a S&W BG...and I can simply draw and reliably put rounds on target quicker with my single stack BG380. I got rid of my P365 b/c I didn't shoot it as good I felt I should compared to my BG380. Now one disadvantage of the LCP Max is it's added thickness compared to the original LCP. The single stack 380 will continue to be the most discrete, deep carry pistol (in 380 offering) for those that need it. Those that gravitate to the LCP are mostly needing deep concealment, and additional magazine addresses extra capacity if needed. And I am a fan of the LCP Max.
@@cheeng1 At the end of the day, the best firearm for you will be the one that you shoot better while still being able to conceal. I think on that we can all agree. In the video you see that I shoot the Max and P380 about the same. Which one I will carry will depend on what I am wearing.
I really want a LCP Max, but I can't justify it considering I have the LCP II .380 with the extended seven round magazine. That small pinky piece doesn't look like much, but it makes a noticeable difference when gripping & shooting the gun.
Thanks for watching! The Max feels a lot different than the LCP II. I would try to feel one in your hand or if you can, get a chance to shoot one to see if it is worth it for you to get one.
I have both the lcp 2 and max. once I bought the max the 2 became my shower gun. the max does shoot noticeably better with the improved trigger, sights and recoil pulse improvements. its a much better shooter for me, more accurate and faster follow up shots. also my 2 did not like hollow pints and failed to feed quite a bit, no malfunctions with my max
@@acatinatux9601 I say this with all sincerity, I hope you never have to use your pistol in the shower. 😁 I agree that the Max is a significant upgrade to the LCP and LCP 2
I had the Max and like it but the quality was kinda trash. Slide was rusting and turning brown just from sitting in safe! And I felt the Max was just a tad thick for my liking in a pocket. Kahr size is perfect in a Vedder Picket Locker or Desantis Nemesis. Favorite pocket rig.
The Kahr does have the advantage of such a small size, especially for pocket carry. Sorry to hear about your issues with the Max. Haven't had any rusting issues with mine yet.
LCP and LCP max are not legal where i live. The kahr is. So i am thinking of getting one, getting the 7 round mag with the magguts upgrade. That would make it an 8+1. In the context of what it is; a deep concealment get off me gun for work and working out in short/tight shirt i think it might be the right fit for me. I also tote a glock 26 and 30 sf depending on what im doing
If you need a small pocket sized pistol, the Kahr will serve you well. It is significantly smaller than the G26. Hope you find one at a good price. Good luck!
That site really is wonderful. I don't know who put it up, but they have my many thanks. As for the P380, I had no issues breaking it in. Don't recall any failures. And its been a solid pistol ever since.
If you are too used to revolvers then maybe the S&W Bodyguard 380 might be for you. It's a true DAO with double strike capability. You can add night sights to.
I tried a Bodyguard. I liked the trigger feel, but it didn't break far enough forward. With the size of my hand it was difficult to get the trigger back far enough.
Hey there Patrick. Thanks for watching. I will be the first to admit that I do not know it all. In fact the older I get, the more I understand my ignorance. Obviously everything stated in my video is just my opinion based on my experiences.
Not that I am aware of. They are all just slightly different. Although you can insert the LCP / P3AT magazine into the Kahr, it will not latch with the magazine release. So I would not count on it being reliable.
@@texmexshoots I've had my P380 since right around there as well. If I remember correctly, there wasn't a micro pistol that even came close to the P380. You had to pony up the 7 or 800.
That's unfortunate. Do you mind sharing what type of ammunition you were using? I would contact Ruger ASAP and start a service request. Since it is new, the will likely send you a shipping label so you can send it in. I expect they will make it right.
Hello Chief! There aren't any real functional differences between the two. From the Kahr website: "Differences between the Kahr CW380 and Kahr P380 models include: the CW series has a conventional rifled barrel instead of the match grade polygonal barrel found on P models; the CW slide stop lever is MIM (metal-injection-molded) instead of machined; the CW series slide has fewer machining operations, and uses simple roll marking instead of engraved markings; the P380 comes with two magazines, but the CW series comes with one 6 rd steel magazine with flush baseplate... The (CW) pistol features drift adjustable white bar-dot combat rear sight and pinned-in polymer front sight (vs. dove-tailed front and rear on the P380)." From everything I have heard and read, they are functionally the same as is their accuracy.
I did read somewhere that there are after market magazine followers that help keep the slide open after the last shot. However I have never tried one so I can't comment on their reliability
Good question. According to the user manual, under "General Information and Mechanical Characteristics" the LCP is described as a "single strike double action" magazine fed, recoil-operated pistol.
@@texmexshoots i bought the body guard not knowing it was a single action trigger traded it for lop2 there was an lcp there as well but I thought the salesman said it was the same as the body guard..I just don’t like those long pulls I’m waiting on the max now to come in should have got it when it first came out more expensive now
@@NHWilderness I hear your pain my friend. Everything is more expensive now. 😬 I expect you will like the trigger on the Max. The trigger pull isn't as long as the standard LCP and at least for me, has a much better feel.
Thanks for watching Alex! The CW is a great pistol but I agree that with the higher capacity of the Max, the CW is falling behind. Unless you want to wear really tight pants! 😄
@@texmexshoots It's what stopped me from buying one (that and capacity). I did just buy the Lcp Max though and it's got a really nice trigger, and sights too.
Technically it's a DA although the slide cycling does partially cock the hammer. The hammer is precooked more than the Gen 1 (Dash Serial Number) which is why the trigger pull is shorter and lighter ( I'm not sure the LCP II and Max are not as well). If they have to cook the hammer at all (even only 1%) they are DA by ATF definition.
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There is nothing wrong with a relatively heavy trigger pull on a carry gun.
I agree. Especially one without a manual safety. That being said, 5 lbs isn't bad! Plus it breaks really clean compared to the other two.
@@texmexshoots Yeah 5lbs is not even what i'd consider heavy. I put the galloway trigger in my LCP max, it's pretty outstanding, I uploaded a review. It's really amazing how much aftermarket support there already is for this pistol.
What rounds do you carry in yours?
@@Valorius Right now I am carrying the Hornady Critical Defense loads. I need to try some others out if it as well, but so far it seems to like them.
There is nothing wrong with a light trigger in a carry gun either
@@nelsonr1467um duh.. that’s literally why the dude wrote the comment
Bought my Lcp max a few weeks ago and finally got it to the range today. I ran 50 rounds each of federal fmj, fiocchi fmj and ten rounds of sig v crown, they all ran through flawlessly! In my opinion I don’t think it’s as snappy as some commentators suggest and it’s so damn easy to carry everyday. Highly recommended adding the max to your edc rotation
Thanks for watching Brandon! I agree that it is not that snappy. Especially compared to other pocket sized 380s. It is a fairly smooth shooting pistol for its size. Glad yo u like your Max!
Ruger improved the trigger on the LCP II.
Ruger isn't known for consistent quality, matter of fact they're known for inconsistency, so some pistols will work flawlessly while others will require improvement done by the owner or Ruger. Lots of people recommend polishing the feed ramp and breach face of the slide and I've had to do that personally to get the first couple of rounds in a full mag to cycle without issue. It will still hang if you don't slingshot the slide on the loading of the first round but that's what you're supposed to do with any auto pistol anyway. For anyone who still has cycling problems there are heavier (13/14 lb) recoil springs that will solve that but it will make it harder to load for people with weaker grip strength so it's a trade-off.
Excellent Video. If only all firearm comparison videos were so well put together as well as this one was...
Wow Bill, thank you very much for the compliment. That is very kind of you.
I have the LCP & the LCP Max, neither one has ever experienced a malfunction of any kind. When I had the Kahr it would not get through a single mag absent some sort of problem. I always carried the LCP w/the factory 7 round extended mag coupled w/a Hogue grip sleeve to help w/my XLG hands. The Max is carried w/the 12 round mag for the same reason & I’m going to order a Hogue grip sleeve for it too.
On a few firearms forums, I have read people having issues with their Kahrs. I've owned three myself, an MK9 Elite, P9 Covert and the P380. Most of the complaints I've read were about the PM9 and a few on the P380. I personally never had an issue with any of mine when fired properly and I carried all of them at some point. But small pistols can be finicky and some require a break in due to the small and stiff recoil springs they use.
That is one thing about the Max, the spring is relatively light for its size.
Thanks Tex Mex, you put a lot of work into this video. The range trip was obviously after work as I could see your work shirt sleeve when shooting. (I'm so glad that I retired not long ago) We, you certainly educated me a good bit on on these little pocket .380's. I bought the Ruger LCP last year and mainly I wanted something with little to no sights because my thought is I didn't want it hanging on the sights in a draw and secondly I felt it likely that I would not use the sights in an up close situation. Also, it is a back up to my Hellcat concealed carry. I have found that sometimes I use it in an ankle holster. I certainly would not mind having the LCP Max as it looks to be a whole lot better gun with more capacity, better trigger and sights. Thanks again for the info you provided. Get well soon 🙏🏼😊
Thanks Cervus! I haven't been able to get out of town for some time. Right now my weekends are filled with club volleyball tournaments. Hence my only video had to be made on a weekday after work. Luckily I'll be escaping the city in a couple of weeks.
The standard LCP is perfect as a back up. As it is, I shot it relatively well at 5 yards. Plus in a high stress situation at close range, the sights won't really matter.
I like the Max and having 11 rounds is nice. Especially since the pocket pistol is all I can carry for certain situations.
Congrats on being retired! I still have a few years to go. Assuming I ever actually retire. Having daughters makes me think otherwise. 😅
Thanks for the prayers and I hope you and your family are healthy and happy.
Take care and Stay Safe!
I have a Beretta 92FS that several years ago now I carried on a contract security job. As part of the qualification we had to do both day and night firing. By the time I did the night firing I had been up almost 20 hours. Fatigue caused limp wristing and it was the only time the pistol I have had since the mid 1990's has had a failure. Getting an LCP Max this week so I will remember this video.
Thanks for watching Keith. I'm sure you will like the pistol. To be fair, it only had issues a couple of times when I tried to limp wrist while firing. It's possible that with some extra rounds through it, the problem resolved itself. But something I would certainly try yourself when you are breaking in the pistol. Good luck!
I have the kahr p380 and I wished so much it was a good gun but I would never trust my life with it. So many malfunctions of all kinds. I even sent it off to kahr and they sent it back “fixed”, which was bs, it’s just as bad. I bought all the ammo from cheap to the very best most expensive, kahr p380 is not a reliable gun. And you would think for what the price is on it that it would be excellent. My first gen Ruger lcp NEVER EVER had any kind of malfunction, it shoots EVERYTHING! Good job Ruger!
Thanks for watching jbravo70. I'm sorry to hear about the problems you had with your Kahr. I agree that the Ruger LCP is a great pistol and should serve you well!
I have the Kahr P380. What I have found is that it is extremely ammo picky. Find the right ammo for it and it runs like a boss, but random .380 ammo causes issues.
@@grahamohea2424 Thanks for the info Graham! Mine seems to work well with the Hornady Critical Defense. It's my go to for pocket pistols in both 380 and 9mm.
@@texmexshoots I'm personally more of an HST guy myself, but I do find I get better results with Gold Dot in the Kahr P380. For most of my shooting though, I use 100gr round nose hand loads tuned to the P380 and I get fantastic results, both in reliability and in accuracy for such a small gun. It is a shame that I have to do that, that the .380 Kahr is so ammo picky, because my 9mm and .40 Kahrs eat everything
@@grahamohea2424 Thanks for the info Graham! Maybe polishing the feed ramp might help? I honestly have not tried many different types through the P380. I've done the critical defense, some Sig ammo and gold dots and plenty of wichester/federal UMC practice fmj. I've only put about 300 rounds through her and she has fed it all. But I also have a habit of keeping the slide rails nice and oiled.
I borrowed a Walther P22 from a friend to see how well it shot. She delivered it to me in a cloth Crown Royal bag. In comparison the Crown Royal bag was pretty sexy. It was a nice gun BTW. I've shot the LCP and was not favorably impressed. I'd rather carry an Airweight 5-shot with a pointy stick stuck in eye then shoot the LCP. I would try a LCP2 if one came my way here in SoCal. The Max looks very interesting. That was a good comparison. Thanks.
Thanks for watching Frank! And a Crown Royal bag is a step above a ziplock. It's fancier and looks less like you are participating in a drug deal when you pick up the pistol from your friend.😆
The Kahr is - in my opinion - has a fantastic trigger for a double action pistol, far better than any double action pistol I own. If you love glock-style triggers and aren't used to double action, you'll probably hate the Kahr (and abhor the original LCP and the S&W Bodyguard). While the LCP Max Trigger is perfectly good, I prefer the Karhr's trigger. I don't even prefer double action, I'm both used to them and it's one of the best double action trigger pulls (def. the smoothest).
Personally, I think both the Kahr and the Max could have a place in one's carry rotation. The Max is just an all-around great gun and you can't beat the capacity relative to size yet anywhere in the market. For the absolute best concealment for shorts and t-shirt weather, the Kahr (or the LCP or Bodyguard) can be a good choice. For most people, the size difference is so negligible that the Max just makes the most sense 100% of the time. So, if you only have one - the LCP Max is a great choice. If you can afford a second, super deep carry option, one of the single stack micros makes sense.
Thanks for watching James. I agree with your assessment. I rotate the Kahr and the Max depending on the situation. I like the Max’s capacity and shootability but I also like the Kahr’s size and weight.
Thanks for sharing your reviews and keep them coming please.
Thanks Charley! I appreciate that.
I shot this alongside the P365-380 and while this one was snappier (of course), it wasn't so snappy as to cause me to dislike it. I enjoyed them both and think they are both worth the money.
Thanks for watching Rose! I think it's wonderful that firearms manufacturers are listening to the public and providing lots of different options for carry purposes. Just twenty years ago the options for good pocket pistols or small 9mm's were few at best. Now consumers can try different models and pick what works best for them.
Great video! THANKS, I own all 3 of these. There's no beating the P380 trigger, but there's no beating the price and capacity of the Max. Protip-You might try adding the Magguts to the P380 mags, netting you a total of 7+1 and 8+1. I carry the P380 with 9 rounds and it is an excellent shooter.
Thanks for watching COZNA! I'll look into Magguts for the magazines. Would be nice to squeeze in an extra round.
Once the LCP Max came out, it was game over for me - in terms of what the right firearm was for me. 12+1 rounds and can fit in my gym shorts (which is what I wear 90% of the time) without dragging them down? Come on! It's the best!
Thanks for watching saurabhnow. The Max is the best pistol Ruger has come out with in a long time. Good capacity, small and still easy to shoot. What's not to like!
I got the LCP MAX I have shot about 300 rounds out of it and have had ZERO jams or anything it is such a nice pocket Pistol . Good quality and all. I love it!
@@cashwilson2571 Thanks for watching Cash! Mine has become my daily pocket carry pistol.
The LCP shown in your video is the original LCP with the horrible sights. In 2013, LCP improved the sights and trigger (shorter travel, nice clean break, still two stage reset), probably because Kahr was coming out with the CW380 to compete with Ruger on price. This improved LCP model was known as Gen 2 and came out three years before the LCP 2. The Gen 2 was loved, and Ruger still makes it today. If you buy the regular LCP today, you are getting the Gen 2. The original LCP had a dash in the serial number. Gen 2s have no dash. At $259, it's hard to beat. I installed the Galloway 13 lb spring and stainless guide rod. Also a metal takedown pin and a Hogue grip sleeve. It has been flawless. My groupings are the size of a 50 cent piece at 21 feet.
That sounds like some great shooting! Thank you for the info on the different models and when they are offered. It is very helpful! Take care and stay safe.
This is extremely helpful info. When you search on LCP's there is a barrage of "light crappy pistol" posts". No doubt referring to the original. @ Parker, Thanks :)
I found the LCP for 199 at Academy. Hard for me to not strongly consider the LCP over the Max. I don't doubt the Max is overall better, but is it almost double the price better?
That's a great price for a great little gun. If you are ever in a gun fight where you need the 8th, 9th, 10th or 11th rounds, then the Max was worth the extra scratch. If not, probably not. Hard to know in advance... @@paulcarlin5181
I've never heard of a LCP Gen 2 being available before the LCP II. I see the standard LCP still avaiable, but figured those are overstock, or Ruger decided to keep making it to reach a certain market.
If I don’t have my Glock 19, I pocket carry the Kahr PM9. Love Kahr. Definitely want a P380.
Thanks for watching Miko! The P380 is a great little pistol. When it comes to size, the Kahr can't be beat for being shootable and tiny at the same time.
My Kahr CW380 was my favorite 380 up until the new Bodyguard 2.0. The Kahr is now becoming a dedicated pocket pistol.
The Kahr's size makes it the epitome of a pocket pistol. Haven't tried the Bodyguard 2.0 yet but it is getting positive reviews.
Yes, that first click is called the "false reset" and it is well known. You have to let the trigger alllll the way out to get a full reset. The Kel-Tec P3AT does the exact same thing, which isn't surprising since the Ruger LCP is pretty much a straight copy.
Thanks for the info Who Knows!
LCP = Little Copied Pistol
Lcp max is an awesome gun.
Its a wonderful pocket pistol!
I love comparison videos that never come to a conclusion! I always watch the last few minutes of a video and if they say "it's up to you" I don't bother watching it.
Thanks for watching and I am sorry I did not give you the conclusion you were looking for. I think you can not beat the Max for pocket carry. It big enough to shoot well but small enough to fit well in your pocket with the right holster. I still like the Kahr though. It is much smaller and easier to carry. So although i like the Max quite a bit, I will occasionally carry the Kahr when I need something smaller or lighter for shorts.
@@texmexshoots I have both as well. I like the Kahr better. Thank you for your response.
I put a mCARBO trigger in my Max. Game changer
You are the second person to tell me that. I may need to look into it. Thanks for watching Lou!
I like my MCarbo triggers and accessories. Chris (the owner) is a great video presentor showing everyone how to install and use his products.
The LCP comes with the finger extension if you prefer it. I never use it. It just gets in my way.
I prefer the LCP Gen 2 (No Dash Serial Number) or LCP Custom trigger to the LCP II or LCP Max trigger. But then I started out with revolvers.
I've never had the pleasure of trying either of those triggers, but I'm glad they work for you. I could see how training with a revolver would accustom you to a specific trigger pull. Thanks for watching!
In my state, transporting firearms must me in closed in a case. Zip lock bag is with in the law plus a finger salute. It’s funny, I like your friend’s humor!
Thanks for that. I guess when you don't have a pistol case, a zip lock will do. 😁
The khars spring is so tight and that’s why you need a good grip on it. I love my CW 380. Shoots like a dream compared to the other competitors In this vid.
Thanks for watching Sam! They do have some tight springs. I really love my P380. That's why it was my primary pocket carry for over a decade.
I understand I reach for my cw380 more than any of the guns in my rotation more so that I live in hot Florida, I mean the ergonomics of the gun make it the most outstanding concealable 380 on the market in my estimation. my wallet is harder to conceal carry🤠
Here it is August 9th 2024 and there is FINALLY an ultimate 380, high capacity pistol that is a micro-compact that shoots like a dream. It's the NEW S&W Bodyguard 2.0.CHECK IT OUT!
I'm sure the Bodyguard 2.0 is a great pistol, although I haven't had a chance to test one yet. However it appears the LCP Max still has a size advantage. Which is important to me when using pocket carry holsters.
@@texmexshoots you won't think that when you go see one in person. I thought the same thing. Ruger should just stop making the Max all together. I have more than one Max, and the Max doesn't even compare in every category that's thrown at it. I like my max pistols, but there is no comparison. You'll see. You will be coming home with one.
@@Joeak74 Here you go making me spend more money! 🤑
@@texmexshoots I cross my heart that you will really like it! It's damn good!
The original lcp has two generations the gen 2 has a slightly better sight a better trigger and a few other internal upgrades. Trigger and sight were the biggest complaints. The lcp you have is pretty old those are the rough ones. And no I’m not talking about the lcp2. I have a gen 2 original lcp and it’s pretty smooth also have a max and it’s just even better especially with the sights.
Thanks for the info N.S.S! The original sights really are terrible. But it was very reliable.
@@texmexshoots of course thanks for the content!
How can you tell them apart the newer and older Lcp
@@christownsend316 the sights on the original ones are nearly nonexistent. when Ruger upgraded it, they made the sights a little bit taller.
@@christownsend316 That's an excellent question. The difference between the Gen 1 & 2 LCP (not the LCPII) is that the Gen 2 has slightly taller sights and the serial numbers will not have a dash. The easiest way to distinguish either of them from the LCP II is the trigger blade safety.
Thanks for referencing Handgunhero site, I've used it several times to compare different guns. Great video!!!
Thanks a ton Antonio! Sorry for the late reply. For some reason it didn't come up on my feed. That really is a great site for size comparisons. Use it all the time.
So that;s not what they mean by inserting a "fresh" mag? HA HA Sealed in a Zip Loc bag. The trigger on the LCPII is nearly identical to the Max. I have the LCPII and for a deep concealment pistol it's 4 1/2lb trigger pull and reset are pretty darn good
Thanks for watching Frank! The LCP II does seem to be a great combination of the smaller LCP size but with the better trigger and sights. Unfortunately none of my local buddies had one for the comparison.
My Kahr P380 2021 CA stainless came with a full set of night sights. Just as good as the MAX.
Thanks for watching Joseph. Replied earlier but seems youtube is having some issues. The Kahr P380 is an amazing pistol and can not be beat when it comes to size and concealability.
Kahr p380. .75” wide, weighs 10 ounces. Double action. Best for pocket carry. Anything bigger and might as well get a micro 9. The sig would be boss if it was sa/da
When it comes to size, the P380 is hard to beat. Which is why it was my primary pocket carry for over a decade.
👍. LCP MAX 👍
Thanks 3Pillers! I'm certainly happy with my purchase.
Great video thanks for your time
Happy to do it rico300zx! Thank you for watching.
The max has really put all the other pocket 380s into a big bucket of "not good enough" IMO.
The extra capacity does make it stand out above the rest. Although I was surprised at how well I shot the Kahr considering its size. However the Max has the capacity and a better trigger. The Kahr and LCP's triggers had looooooong pulls.
@@texmexshoots Kahr's are really in all reality Glocks with outstanding DAO triggers. I really wish they'd come out with a 1.5 stack of their own, because having only single stack guns they have been pretty much left in the dust by everyone.
@@Valorius I agree o both counts. They are a complete Glock knockoff. You can even see the same pattern on the back of the slide.
They need to start innovating on their magazines like Sig did with the 365 (then Springfield with the Hellcat) and Ruger with the Max. Getting that extra capacity without making the grip much thicker is a game changer.
Hardly, but I like your enthusiasm. Extra capacity is always nice, but first hits on target matter more than capacity every time. I've got the Ruger and a S&W BG...and I can simply draw and reliably put rounds on target quicker with my single stack BG380. I got rid of my P365 b/c I didn't shoot it as good I felt I should compared to my BG380. Now one disadvantage of the LCP Max is it's added thickness compared to the original LCP. The single stack 380 will continue to be the most discrete, deep carry pistol (in 380 offering) for those that need it. Those that gravitate to the LCP are mostly needing deep concealment, and additional magazine addresses extra capacity if needed. And I am a fan of the LCP Max.
@@cheeng1 At the end of the day, the best firearm for you will be the one that you shoot better while still being able to conceal. I think on that we can all agree. In the video you see that I shoot the Max and P380 about the same. Which one I will carry will depend on what I am wearing.
There is 2 resets with the LCP original, you csn get a trigger and springs to make the trigger better.
Thanks for the info! I'm sure a spring swap can help the trigger.
I really want a LCP Max, but I can't justify it considering I have the LCP II .380 with the extended seven round magazine. That small pinky piece doesn't look like much, but it makes a noticeable difference when gripping & shooting the gun.
Thanks for watching! The Max feels a lot different than the LCP II. I would try to feel one in your hand or if you can, get a chance to shoot one to see if it is worth it for you to get one.
I have both the lcp 2 and max. once I bought the max the 2 became my shower gun. the max does shoot noticeably better with the improved trigger, sights and recoil pulse improvements. its a much better shooter for me, more accurate and faster follow up shots. also my 2 did not like hollow pints and failed to feed quite a bit, no malfunctions with my max
@@acatinatux9601 I say this with all sincerity, I hope you never have to use your pistol in the shower. 😁 I agree that the Max is a significant upgrade to the LCP and LCP 2
@@texmexshoots me neither, but its either that or piss on them ha
Kahr 380 is one tough pistol…I have a friend that got one 2009 and has put thousands of rounds of +p through it
Thanks for watching Morris! The Kahr 380 is something special. It is small and for its size, relatively easy to shoot.
I had the Max and like it but the quality was kinda trash. Slide was rusting and turning brown just from sitting in safe! And I felt the Max was just a tad thick for my liking in a pocket. Kahr size is perfect in a Vedder Picket Locker or Desantis Nemesis. Favorite pocket rig.
The Kahr does have the advantage of such a small size, especially for pocket carry. Sorry to hear about your issues with the Max. Haven't had any rusting issues with mine yet.
LCP and LCP max are not legal where i live. The kahr is. So i am thinking of getting one, getting the 7 round mag with the magguts upgrade. That would make it an 8+1. In the context of what it is; a deep concealment get off me gun for work and working out in short/tight shirt i think it might be the right fit for me. I also tote a glock 26 and 30 sf depending on what im doing
If you need a small pocket sized pistol, the Kahr will serve you well. It is significantly smaller than the G26. Hope you find one at a good price. Good luck!
I use that site, it's great for comparisons. Did you have trouble breaking your P380 in?
That site really is wonderful. I don't know who put it up, but they have my many thanks.
As for the P380, I had no issues breaking it in. Don't recall any failures. And its been a solid pistol ever since.
Khar shoots ok when it’s not jamming
But I’ve heard it does much better after 500 rounds
Thanks for watching Striperking! Lots of these smaller pistols need a certain amount of break in.
If you are too used to revolvers then maybe the S&W Bodyguard 380 might be for you. It's a true DAO with double strike capability. You can add night sights to.
Thanks for watching Robert. Good info to know on the Bodyguard.
I tried a Bodyguard. I liked the trigger feel, but it didn't break far enough forward. With the size of my hand it was difficult to get the trigger back far enough.
@@gk5891 You can always send it to a gunsmith for some modifications.
I get tired of all the know it all's. What's good for him my not be good for me
Hey there Patrick. Thanks for watching. I will be the first to admit that I do not know it all. In fact the older I get, the more I understand my ignorance. Obviously everything stated in my video is just my opinion based on my experiences.
Great content, thank you :)
Thank you for watching! I'm glad you liked the video and I sincerely appreciate the feedback.
Looks like the little LCP did as well as the higher dollar guns
Yes, the LCP is a great pistol. I like the sights on the Kahr more, but at close ranges it doesn't really matter much.
Does any other mag fit in kahr p380?
Not that I am aware of. They are all just slightly different. Although you can insert the LCP / P3AT magazine into the Kahr, it will not latch with the magazine release. So I would not count on it being reliable.
Wondering why u decided to go with the P380 over the CW with the P being over double the price and small cosmetic differences.
Thanks for watching Poppatello! To be honest, I purchased the P380 sometime around 2010. Back then they were not offering the CW version yet.
@@texmexshoots I've had my P380 since right around there as well. If I remember correctly, there wasn't a micro pistol that even came close to the P380. You had to pony up the 7 or 800.
Yup! At the time it was the smallest 380 around. Was a joy to pocket carry. Plus it fit better in my hand than the P3AT/LCP@@crashology847
Bought an LCP max. right out the box. problems..would not load the ammo
That's unfortunate. Do you mind sharing what type of ammunition you were using?
I would contact Ruger ASAP and start a service request. Since it is new, the will likely send you a shipping label so you can send it in. I expect they will make it right.
What’s the difference between cw380 and p380 ?
Hello Chief! There aren't any real functional differences between the two.
From the Kahr website:
"Differences between the Kahr CW380 and Kahr P380 models include: the CW series has a conventional rifled barrel instead of the match grade polygonal barrel found on P models; the CW slide stop lever is MIM (metal-injection-molded) instead of machined; the CW series slide has fewer machining operations, and uses simple roll marking instead of engraved markings; the P380 comes with two magazines, but the CW series comes with one 6 rd steel magazine with flush baseplate... The (CW) pistol features drift adjustable white bar-dot combat rear sight and pinned-in polymer front sight (vs. dove-tailed front and rear on the P380)."
From everything I have heard and read, they are functionally the same as is their accuracy.
I noticed the LCP stayed open after the last round on the first try how is that possible?
That;s an excellent question. I can't remember exactly but I believe the final round "stove piped" when ejecting keeping the slide open.
@@texmexshoots Got it, thanks.
I did read somewhere that there are after market magazine followers that help keep the slide open after the last shot. However I have never tried one so I can't comment on their reliability
Isn't the lcp a single action only
Good question. According to the user manual, under "General Information and Mechanical Characteristics" the LCP is described as a "single strike double action" magazine fed, recoil-operated pistol.
@@texmexshoots i bought the body guard not knowing it was a single action trigger traded it for lop2 there was an lcp there as well but I thought the salesman said it was the same as the body guard..I just don’t like those long pulls I’m waiting on the max now to come in should have got it when it first came out more expensive now
@@NHWilderness I hear your pain my friend. Everything is more expensive now. 😬 I expect you will like the trigger on the Max. The trigger pull isn't as long as the standard LCP and at least for me, has a much better feel.
Blessed be thy max.
May it protect us from evil!
Lcp max for me.
Thanks for watching Daniel. My LCP Max has been great!
@texmexshoots . Mine too it's my backup to my g19
This guy looks dangerous with a firearm
Thanks Lyhue! Hopefully dangerous in a competent sort of way 😁
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Thanks Charley!
Khar Arms typical failures
Thanks for watching Edward!
Got rid my cw for the max... Max is reliable just not accurate but if the make double stack kahr that'll really change the game cause I loved my cw
Thanks for watching Alex! The CW is a great pistol but I agree that with the higher capacity of the Max, the CW is falling behind. Unless you want to wear really tight pants! 😄
LCP max. FTW.
It's a great pistol! Thanks for watching.
That lcp is a double action.
That's True! I guess technically a DAO, but without the ability to do a second strike
@@texmexshoots It's what stopped me from buying one (that and capacity). I did just buy the Lcp Max though and it's got a really nice trigger, and sights too.
@@Cappurniggas Congrats on the purchase! It is the best pocket sized 380 on the market today.
@@texmexshoots 100% agree
Technically it's a DA although the slide cycling does partially cock the hammer. The hammer is precooked more than the Gen 1 (Dash Serial Number) which is why the trigger pull is shorter and lighter ( I'm not sure the LCP II and Max are not as well). If they have to cook the hammer at all (even only 1%) they are DA by ATF definition.