Nodal Analysis Example-Independent Voltage Source (Harder)

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  • Shows how to do nodal analysis with an independent voltage source where a supernode must be used. More instructional engineering videos can be found at www.engineeringvideos.org.
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  • @dooterino
    @dooterino 8 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    THANK YOU! I have a midterm on Monday and nodal analysis with supernodes and all that have been giving me trouble, this cleared a lot up.

  • @dennismanuel5926
    @dennismanuel5926 9 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Thank you, you save our whole semester.

  • @jasonstauffer3817
    @jasonstauffer3817 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you are viewing this as a circuits student (i.e. in preparation for an exam) I suggest you look up how to do matrix algebra with whatever calculator you intend to use on your exam and get some good practice with that. Both the TI-84 and TI-89 can handle the systems of equations pretty simply for you, but it takes a bit of practice to get good at entering things in properly and getting solutions.

  • @daystar9721
    @daystar9721 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love you soo much I've been stuck on this thevenin problem with two voltage sources for ages.

  • @joshb556able
    @joshb556able 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Darryl,
    You really saved me here. Thank you very very much!!!!!

  • @kcampbell9248
    @kcampbell9248 9 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    "a supernode deserves to be in hot pink" lol made my day

  • @Diver114
    @Diver114 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you! Very good explanation.

  • @pablorees4749
    @pablorees4749 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You saved my life.

  • @saibhusan
    @saibhusan 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    very much thanks sir for your contribution

  • @ashidilkhan
    @ashidilkhan 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    the best explanation i have ever seen

  • @mothusijosephbaatshwana1544
    @mothusijosephbaatshwana1544 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You sir are AWESOME....

  • @Mackal2v
    @Mackal2v 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you :D you help me a lot on this

  • @shaneswiley
    @shaneswiley 8 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I really wish you had explained how you came up with the last equation. It was a great video up until that point.

    • @ericspooner9199
      @ericspooner9199 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's the equation for when you do nodal analysis for node 4, which he calls v4. He said that's what he was doing at 8:49.

    • @AR_BSME
      @AR_BSME 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I understand mang ….. piece of crap making crap video..... making zero sence @Dre

  • @FhatuLuvhengo
    @FhatuLuvhengo 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THANKS!!

  • @mokting32
    @mokting32 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    THX a lot ! This helps me finish my assignment as the notes given by the lecturer are too hard to understand :(

  • @MechInvent
    @MechInvent 10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    wish I took you this semester instead prof morrell....

  • @TheValdir2006
    @TheValdir2006 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Obrigado, salvou a noite.

  • @shufanz
    @shufanz 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for the video

  • @coolwinder
    @coolwinder 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if theri is resistor next to 10V generator between node 2 and 3? Could it be solved with node analysis and is it practicle, do i just convert it to surent source? Or do i just use mesh analysis?

  • @hirakhan5852
    @hirakhan5852 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    can you explain me where did you get the kcl equations?

  • @Lexyvil
    @Lexyvil 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wait so at 3:00, does current leave from the - side or the + side of the voltage source between V2 and V3?

  • @batgeo1982
    @batgeo1982 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much your help, can you Plz make videos about dependent current and voltage sources

  • @DarrylMorrell
    @DarrylMorrell  11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The current out of node 4 through the 2k resistor from right to left is (v4-v3)/2k. The current out of node 4 through the 1k resistor from top to bottom is v4/1k. These two currents sum to zero. Doing some algebra gives the equation that I wrote for v4.

    • @sypherop
      @sypherop 6 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      shouldn't it be (V3-V4)/2 cause the current direction is from left to right and current flows from higher voltage to lower voltage.
      Or since we are solving for V4 we consider it to be at higher voltage??

  • @T7thK
    @T7thK 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like your explanation of supernodes, but I generally think it's good practice to consider a node as a point where 3 or more elements are connected to it, this results in a lot less equations at the end of the day. So in your example, you would have node V2 and V3 only, and you would write that I1 = 5V/5K Ohms and for I4, you would write V3/(2K + 1K) Ohms.

  • @worldcitizen1960
    @worldcitizen1960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    why did you write (V2 - V1)/R1 if the current always flows from a higher to lower potential? It should be (V1 - V2)/R1 ? Why did you assume that V2 > V1 ?

  • @gaylord008nah
    @gaylord008nah 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you Mr. Morrell !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think i just understood the protoboard !

  • @DarrylMorrell
    @DarrylMorrell  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    @batgeo1982 My video "Voltage and Current Sources" talks about dependent sources beginning about 9:50. Several of my "Ad Hoc Analysis Example" videos also show how to do analysis with dependent sources.

  • @ajinkyabhosaleawesome
    @ajinkyabhosaleawesome 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thanx..

  • @moazelsawaf2000
    @moazelsawaf2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @MrBoholanongRealtor
    @MrBoholanongRealtor 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @eggxecution
    @eggxecution 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Question, when does the voltage become negative?

  • @utsavrai6574
    @utsavrai6574 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    can we using only teo nodes??

  • @davidfof13
    @davidfof13 12 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks . Can you make videos about bode plots, transmission lines please?
    Thanks

  • @turkishstig8489
    @turkishstig8489 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    9:07 where did you acquire the formula from? i didnt get it

    • @BalkanManic
      @BalkanManic 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      All he is doing is nodal analysis for the V4 node.
      You get (V4 - V3)/2k + (v4 - 0 )/1k which is the same thing he got.

  • @alebarrazav15
    @alebarrazav15 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was taught that current going in is positive and current going out is negative with respect to the node. But for the equation of the supernode everything positive even some current was leaving the supernode. I'm confused whether it makes a difference or not to have some current negative and some positive

  • @shalini.dey_
    @shalini.dey_ 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    what if there is a resistor parallel to that 10v?

  • @alinnila4878
    @alinnila4878 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello. What if there is a 3V instead of 10V? I think current doesn’t flow to first loop

  • @abdulzahid9558
    @abdulzahid9558 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    I really don't understand why the currents at supernode are moving left at v2 and right at v3. In my textbook, the voltage source is set up the same way and the current at v2 is moving to the right. how do you know which direction the current is travelling here?

    • @alko0ozy
      @alko0ozy 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      you assign it as you like
      you can say that I one is going right and I2 going down

  • @DarrylMorrell
    @DarrylMorrell  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I will put those topics on the list of future videos. It will be a while before I get to them.

  • @CaptainAKas
    @CaptainAKas 10 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Say "Kirkoff" again, I dare you, I double dare you XD

  • @DarrylMorrell
    @DarrylMorrell  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You could combine the two rightmost resistors which are in series, then combine this series combination that is in parallel with the 3kOhm resistor. However, you can't solve for most voltages or currents in the circuit this way because it contains two sources that are not in parallel or series with each other; nodal or mesh analysis or superposition are your popular options for solving it. The fact that the leftmost resistor is connected to both sources is why the voltage across it is so high.

  • @bestcareem87
    @bestcareem87 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    why for node 4 cant i say v3-v4/2k, because in the super node we had a current, i4 leaving node3 going towards node4. which would be the higher (Vhigher - Vlower)/2k.

  • @basyoni95
    @basyoni95 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    what is that program , the one you are typing in ?

  • @smtasnimalam1946
    @smtasnimalam1946 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    how did you get the eqn for node 4 ??? explain...how? how did you assume the direction of current?

    • @ahmedadnan6629
      @ahmedadnan6629 9 ปีที่แล้ว

      Current direction is always to the direction of voltage drop S M Tasnim Alam

    • @berriman11
      @berriman11 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      S M Tasnim Alam
      If it were me, I'd put the resistors together in series and get rid of V4 - strictly speaking, a node by definition is a junction in which 3 electrical components meet. Well in this case there is only two components so it is not a node.

    • @adamS993
      @adamS993 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      would that make the last equation (V3-0)/3?

    • @fidelortega8704
      @fidelortega8704 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      close it'll be (V3-0/3k)

  • @syedjunaidkhalid1011
    @syedjunaidkhalid1011 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 3:38, how did you get V3 = V2 + 10v

    • @thanajuyal
      @thanajuyal 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The voltage drop across V2 and V3 is 10v. So it's actually V3-V2=10

  • @13TheSandMan13
    @13TheSandMan13 10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is anyone else not getting solutions when you plug into wolframalpha? I just get alternate forms and nothing else.

    • @FlyingFistOfJuda
      @FlyingFistOfJuda 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Did you ever figure this out?

  • @brandonpuclik7955
    @brandonpuclik7955 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wouldn't I1 flow in the opposite direction and flow away from the 5V source?

  • @azizalaliq8
    @azizalaliq8 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why are all the currents flowing out of the super node?

  • @JayJay-ni4qn
    @JayJay-ni4qn 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    How would I enter this system of equations into my Ti-84 calculator?

    • @gavinv.4872
      @gavinv.4872 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Google might know

  • @EllaSal012
    @EllaSal012 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    v1 is a node??

  • @jinhochrisjang3367
    @jinhochrisjang3367 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I dont get how you got the equation at node V4. Can someone explain?

    • @jinhochrisjang3367
      @jinhochrisjang3367 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Where did -V3/2000 come from? (at 9:03 of the video)

    • @iwaneco_139
      @iwaneco_139 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He went straight to the simplified ver coming out of:
      ((V4 - V3)/2k) + (V4 / 1k) =0

    • @JoshuaAfolabi
      @JoshuaAfolabi 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      but with the direction of I4 the right equation should be (v3 - v4)/2k
      What the original was (v3-v4)/2k = v4/1k if you simplify this you'll get his equation

    • @skf2586
      @skf2586 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Don't waste time trying to form an equation for V4. Once you have V3, V4 is just V3/3

    • @zipodipo7923
      @zipodipo7923 7 ปีที่แล้ว

      That's because he skipped a step there that should have explained it.

  • @skf2586
    @skf2586 7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a better approach using only 2 equations: (V2--5)/5 + (V2/4( + (V3/3) + (V3/3) = 0 AND (V2+10) = V3

  • @louisbrasington3812
    @louisbrasington3812 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    u cant have nodes at bridges with less than three nodes?

  • @dr.rpraosacademy6577
    @dr.rpraosacademy6577 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    V2 , V3 and reference nodes are enough to frame 2 equations to find out v2 and v3 .

  • @DarrylMorrell
    @DarrylMorrell  12 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have not included solving the system of equations because there are many resources available to solve these systems. I do not know which resource students will use. You might look at khanacademy-he covers many different ways to solve the systems.

  • @hansbadal5654
    @hansbadal5654 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    supernode is an easy way to go, i would have liked this guy to explain the nodes one by one, may it be harder, another circuit may not have such an easy setting, so i think this example is just unique not general

  • @estanho
    @estanho 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    What if intead of an voltage source on the supernode, there was an current source?

    • @kara96raza
      @kara96raza 10 ปีที่แล้ว

      in that case u will apply nodale directly

  • @connormettus4799
    @connormettus4799 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    couldn't this be done with only two nodes?

  • @fullbridgerecrifier
    @fullbridgerecrifier 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    why i1 IS OUT FROM V2

  • @leedavis1657
    @leedavis1657 8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I thought you only use essential nodes in node voltage method...v1 is not an essential node therefore it can be ignored...

  • @ivanmendoza449
    @ivanmendoza449 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    why not use only two nodal points instead of three you can combine 5V and 5ohm resistor use source transformation and convert it into an independent current source

  • @g_manegeniusgourav6981
    @g_manegeniusgourav6981 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Voltg source ko convert to kro cs me

  • @Ferniekicksbutt13
    @Ferniekicksbutt13 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    I dont understand why you included the simple nodes in this example, where in the others you just used the essential nodes.

  • @DarrylMorrell
    @DarrylMorrell  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    See my reply to CantCreat above.

  • @Gumbii9
    @Gumbii9 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does current not flow from left to right "(v3-v4)/2k"
    Why does this equation imply current flow from v4 back to v3.
    Probably something simply but I am as confused as a chameleon in a bag of Skittles

  • @kara96raza
    @kara96raza 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    that is too easy can u solve another one more complicated ???

  • @schwig44
    @schwig44 10 ปีที่แล้ว

    yeah, just not an essential node (more than 2 elements connected).

  • @Udouch123
    @Udouch123 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I THINK U DIDNT NEED V1 AND V4

  • @g_manegeniusgourav6981
    @g_manegeniusgourav6981 6 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thik se solve kro

  • @judy-chan4536
    @judy-chan4536 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    i understood........... NOTHING. ._.

  • @AR_BSME
    @AR_BSME 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    solutions are wrong

  • @syd_jzx100
    @syd_jzx100 8 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fell asleep halfway.