Malcolm Gladwell Interviews Rick Rubin About Making Tom Petty's “Wildflowers”
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- Malcolm Gladwell talks with Rick Rubin about Tom Petty, who died in October 2017 at the age of 66. Rubin and Petty worked together for two years on his beloved 1994 album “Wildflowers.” Rubin talks about Petty’s writing style, and how half the songs they recorded for “Wildflowers” ended up on the cutting room floor.
This episode originally aired on December 25, 2018.
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One of my favorite albums of all time...It was me and my wife's favorite ...we traveled all over listening to this in my van.....I have so many memories associated with this album...I lost my wife to cancer in 2014...I love you my Deborah Denise ..Thankyou for the 21 years we shared together.
What a heartfelt tribute to the woman of your life 🙏 Lost my mom to cancer in 2014. May these beautiful ladies be connected to us forever. We made history, we are still family.
@@jakevendrotti1496 Thanks Jake....I am sorry about your mother.....I heard a good quote the other day " Dont cry because its over...But smile because it happened....You hang in there my friend
Wildflowers album was the album that made me want to learn how to play guitar. Petty will always be my hero. This interview was awesome.
First time I heard ‘Wildflowers’ I thought, “oh my god, this might be one of the best albums of all time.” I listened to that thing non-stop for about a year...one of THE most beautiful records ever recorded.
Yes
I believe the word is integrity.
Full Moon Fever was my life’s soundtrack for 9th grade. Damn the Torpedoes was soundtrack for my early 40s. Wild Flowers has been one of a very few albums comprising my 2020 soundtrack, getting me through this pandemic. I’m grateful for him, for the talent God gave him and for how Tom used it.
I used to listen to wildflowers around the time TP died. On the 405 prolly 10 miles away from him Rick, Mike, Ben. I remember thinking while on my way to work (I work in the film industry) something has to give. And boom turn on KLOS and they announced he was in the hospital, an hour later he was gone. Now with pandemic I feel like I sensed it coming. We were all working way to hard, it was great but we needed this break to re-evaluate the culture we have. It’s very odd. Anyway Wake Up Time was and still is my alarm. I wish TP could wake up and give us the love we crave. 🖤🖤🖤
Tom Petty was magical, in that he truly seemed incapable of writing a bad song.
At least we’ve got a huge catalog of amazingly beautiful and heartfelt music to remember him by.
RIP Tom.
I saw him 3 times. Each time I walked away saying...I LOVE every song!
Crawling Back To You will always be a top favorite of mine of all time let alone Tom Petty song.
Yes! Such a gem of a song. So much emotion in it. Great for driving at night, reflecting.
Yes I hear you it was the account of the band's beginnings -- some autobio stuff bound to be there to break our hearts -- I walk my dog early and this music just comes to mind looking at trees and an incurious rabbit wonderful time of day.
One of my favorite songs on Wildflowers
Thanks for this interview. I teared up a couple times. I always felt like Tom Petty was my friend. Losing TP was a blow. He was our American treasure. RIP Tom Petty.
Tom Petty will always have a special spot in my heart..... First song I memorized from the radio... RIP!!!!
His music allowed us all to find our own lives there, unique.
Absolutely. I was fortunate enough to bring my daughter to see a Tom Petty concert in 2017 before he died. She was only 10 years old at the time, but loves his songs. She cried her heart out when we told her he died.
I wish I could have been Tom's friend, he was mine. . .
Tom made us all feel like his friends and that was his unique way of getting shit done and treating his fans like we were present at his concerts and thru his albums
Echo is a masterpiece that’s looked over. Tom was in a dark place, but go listen to “Echo” and “one more night, one more day”....hauntingly beautiful
Agreed, I liked it from Day One. I can understand why he didn't personally like it, but I thought it was great. For me, probably, his last really great record.
I love Echo. Definitely overlooked.
My favorite Tom Petty record! Deep and from the broken heart he was dealing with.
I’ll give it a Listen
Echo and Room at the Top were as great songs as anything they ever did.
Rick and Tom are both true masters. Thank you both for all of your hard work.
I CANNOT wait until the Wildflowers boxset finally comes out.
Me too! You would have to figure out when Dana T's wife and Adria his elder daughter get out of litigation over his will which was not meant to foment this kind of confusion .... they both have a vested interested in keeping this music alive ; now could be the time, understand don't care we'll hear this great music which by the way was Tom's last project. Don't remember context but he said to an interviewer that tours to a hockey rink (prescient) were over but he wanted to do a limited tour small venues to promote this material. Mike Campbell was more informed than anyone. That's all I know, cheers!!
evelyn baron actually they came to an agreement last December www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/tom-petty-estate-widow-daughters-settlement-926829/
Mike A just been announced yesterday!
Warner brother has just posted the wildflowers extended edition there will be a bunch of versions coming out for vinyl,and cd also included is a 60 page book featuring rick Rubin.seems like we all have waited a long time for this special version of wildflowers.the release date shows 10/20/20 from Warner brothers.
I posted a full 'box opening' of the 9 LP box set on the AnalogPlanet TH-cam channel...
Rubin and interviewer were excellent, insightful with smart dialog and conversation. A rarity. Subscribed.
The interviewer is the author and podcaster Malcolm Gladwell. His books are incredible and insightful, if you enjoy this.
This is all pure gold. I love the insight on Tom's creative process. Gold.
I was looking at a list of his singles a few months ago and it really is incredible how much great music he made.
Time to Move On is my favorite song on Wildflowers
Such an underrated gem
ok guys I have read every comment -- hope this gets to whomever is holding on to part of Wildflowers; now is the time for the refreshing of our spirits!
Vale Tom Petty. The greatest musician of our generation. No other song writer has written so many masterpieces. There are musicians and there is Mr. Thomas Petty, RIP.
One thing I find fascinating about Tom Petty is not only how many great songs he has, but how few "bad" ones---he has almost no "clunkers" in his catalog. Some songs are better than others of course, but even greats like the Beatles, Dylan, Prince, etc. have some really abysmal songs. TP's quality control is incredible, and I'm really looking forward to hearing the lost Wildflowers second record when it comes out in the fall. Great interview.
rockturtleneck definitely agree. I would arguably say he had two ‘bad’ albums, Mojo and Let Me Up in his entire career. How many of the greats can say that? Springsteen, Dylan, Young have always seemed to be held in higher esteem than Petty but how many clunkers did they release?? Quite a few.
MOJO IS AN AMZOMG album. Wish it included HELP ME 😌
@@howtodocertainthings8452 because they also released much more work, probably under pressure. Dylan for instance has been releasing albums for 5 decades. It's only normal he'd release some shoddy albums..
Tom's influence can be heard in each and every single song I wrote.
Two men talking is pure genius. His hits are great but even his non-hits are ALL amazing! The GOAT.
24:20 Rick's talking about Running Down a Dream, the 4 hr long documentary on Tom Petty. It's a love letter to all his fans.
It’s incredible
Agreed!!! I put it on while doing things around the house. The songs and commentary are wonderful.
Best Music documentary ever made. I never get sick of watching it
Peter Bogdanovich approached Tom who was a big fan of PB and Orson Wells and spent countless hours down in the vaults -- I hear what you're saying -- there was all this amazing stuff and RR was right -- the supreme delegator best man for the job.
It's absolutely great.
The Tom Petty documentary is amazing !
I wish Dana and Adria Petty would get it together; it was not just any ol' rocumentary this was Peter Bogdanovich it was BRILLIANT and should be made available -- not saying free just vr timely now.
Three of my faves in one interview
Oh hell yea - I’ve been waiting on this topic! Thanks 🙏
Tom was just a legend. He was a fan living the Dream. That’s why his music relates so much. I may be speaking for myself but as a musician I feel that. You start to write for what people want and in the end people want what you’re craving usually. A lost art that even I’m guilty of. One day we’ll get back to room takes, until then let Tom Pettys sessions live on. Not to mention the heartbreakers jeeze. I want them as my backing band.
Jeff Lynn is a genius also, I was given Full Moon Fever on vinyl when I was a teenager, great times
My income isn't over the moon but when Tom converted to vinyl I bought the canon and don't regret it. Older than you -- had ELO on vinyl god help me!!! Also Rolling Stones Brian Jones still alive; The Byrds goes on and on. Like the Rebus series of bks because central character spends a lot of time listening to this music, go Ian Rankin!!!
full moon fever is in the top 5 of all times
Agree
I had it on cassette. I was a metal head at the time but I loved Full Moon Fever.
I still love his early stuff - 1st two albums !!
Holy Hannah I just came across this. This is my favorite song. I have not listened to this yet. Though I have to share in my absolute joy!
Thank You so much. My anticipation for Wildflowers 2 has brought me new insight from Rick on what to expect! 😃
Tom Petty.Timeless Music. Amazing songwriter. Truly one of the best and an American Treasure
Love TPHB to the bones. It is the soundtrack of my life.
Brilliant interesting interview. Tom will forever be missed. I love Rick's work and he certainly sprinkled some of his fairy dust on Tom's music.
Tom petty was and will always remain one of the greatest singer songwriters ever it’s not even up for debate that’s how good he was !, add the heartbreakers and you have the best complete rock’n roll band there has ever been , every one of that band are true musicians, no bullshit just great at what they do, they had what most bands don’t and That was genuine talent and a love and understanding of music from all genres , Tom petty and the heartbreakers had a lot of class
Yep
Not even close, The best American rock n roll band ever. He never sold out like Springsteen he always maintained his songwriting brilliance. Very little political positioning. Always delivered an exceptional show. Wildflowers remains 1 of my top 3 albums of all time.
Have you heard Song for Tom Petty? New band, some mandolin echoes of The Band, I cried. Not ashamed, yes to all you wrote!
evelyn baron no haven’t heard them but will try to, 👍👍
Dale Miller led zeppelin were a great band don’t get me wrong but if you look at the body of work Tom Petty produced over 40 years am sorry but I really have to disagree and such a humble man who had balls to stand up for all musicians over when the record company tried charging more for albums, the man had integrity and a lot of classs
That record was a masterpiece, and Rick's production made a HUGE impact on Tom and the record. Just amazing.
Plus his life situation at the time!
Thanks for this! Love the Roy Orbison album Mystery Girl with Tom and Jeff as well. Fantastic songwriting team!
Great interview.. Rubin is fascinating, his range of work is amazing.. A word for the interviewer, great to hear an interview , where he obviously knows the topic and is really involved.. Great ..
thefilmandmusic there’s a great bit from Rich Robinson of the Black Crowes where he calls Rubin a piece of shit. Turns out he wanted to call the Crowes The Kobb County Krows; yes the KKK .
I love Tom Petty!!!
Yes we do
Great interview... and insight to Tom Petty’s
Wildflowers album and sessions... one of my favorite TP albums... looking forward to having the second of the original double albums... when it’s released in October.
Can’t wait for the reissue!
Absolutely brilliant interview well done.
Full Moon Fever knocked me out. Right at the same time I heard the Wilburys' "Handle With Care". From start to finish, it remains my favourite record of his. However, Wildflowers is now a VERY close second.
Great artist, great producer, great Album
This was amazing! I knew some of this, but hearing much of it for the first time.
That was great thank you!
Great interview. Thank you!
Great , insightful interview. Thanks for sharing.
Great Music, great lyrics, are born from other worldy births!!
They are there, when there, never before, never after, only to be seen in its Tyme...
Insightful stuff. I've read Tom's interview/book on his songwriting, song by song, and seen the huge TPHB documentary, but this is a great addition to those sources.
Thank you for allowing me to sit in on a fascinating conversation (too bad the songs had to be cut, but I get it).. I would LOVE to hear what Rick has to say about working with The Strokes---I think he produced a masterpiece of a record, great songs, great performance, great production, haven't stopped playing that record since it came out in April.
Oh this interview posted but I didn’t get a chance to listen to it. Today, March 12 of 2023 on a Sunday afternoon seems like the perfect time to grab a cup of Maxwell House coffee and kick back and listen to Rick and appreciate all of his gifts, but he offered to help Tom good stuff.great
Tom certainly made Rick Rubin a believer in his musicality, and in some ways Rick brought out another creative element in Tom. There was a mutual admiration you can feel in Rick's words and sentiment. Tom touched so many.
Thank you Rick Rubin.
Great interview...👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
My favorite album and my favorite concert.
It was a great tour. And I went to many of them.
Thank you for this...
Never heard Rick talk this much at length about anything especially TP
Petty was a mega talent.
Much appreciation.🎼💞
We need the second half of Wild Flowers! Please please pretty please!
we need video for all of these
Damn, Malcolm is such a great writer, I wouldn't expect him to ask better questions than many musicians. But his interview is legit.
Petty and the HBs didn't make a bad album.
well yes my friend and I mean that what was your 1st clue? I just can't get over Malcolm Gladwell's 2018 rock music podcast -- I just love it!!! People still need cheering up these days and this podcast cheered me up. Tom would be laughing in a vr good way. In another context I also didn't realize the HBs did a Tom Wait's cover I hope I don't Fall in Love with You - TP so unconsciously brilliant at sounding like the music he was listening to: I would love to hear that Tom /Tom Waits cover. Best wishes! And one day the rest of Wildflowers will be available -- not interested in what look like family squabbles, don't care all in good time.
baron didn't you hear. That issue was resolved, and Wildflowers and All The Rest will be released on October 26.
It's available for pre-order on Amazon and tompetty.com.
Mojo was pretty awful. Otherwise I concur.
@@sotampacane I just listened to it last week over a good system. Love it. It's just different. There's a good documentary on yt about making it.
@@sotampacane I used to think that too. I really didn't like it when it came out because it was so different. I dug it out again about a year ago and listened with fresh ears - and now I love it.
Full moon was my serious entry to TP. My dad had it. I listened to it strait for over a year.
My 2 most favorite Tom albums are Into The Great Wide Open with the great Jeff Lynn sheen and bed of 12 string acoustic guitars and the more personal Wildflowers with Rick. I'm not sure I could pick one over the other. She's The One is amazing soundtrack/album as well, many good ones on there.
Thankful
Cannot wait to receive my “Wildflowers” 3xLP reissue set!
I preordered it immediately after seeing it for sale. The main album itself was apparently cut from the original master tapes. Now that’s something worth waiting for! 🎶✌️🔊💜🎵🙂
i did a "box opening" video last week of the 9 LP set on the AnalogPlanet TH-cam channel
Analog Planet
Thanks, Michael! I watched your vid too, and it was absolutely excellent. The release date is coming up soon! Thanks again, man!
I don’t know if I would classify Petty’s sound as “California.” He was from Gainesville, Florida. He took little pieces of a lot of genres. But in the end, his sound is just plain ol’ rock n roll done insanely well.
i dont know about this interviewer thinking to had a california sound tom had a number of genres but their was a southern inference like southern accent
Tom Petty has the classic Americana sound, definitely not a California sound.
@@thatkidfromnhi do agree althoughTom himself has said he thought the album had a more California sound to it
As a former Californio for the first 40 years of my life, and having loved TP since my teens, I will say, Tom brought his style and sound to us out west, and we adapted it as sort of a California sound. It colored my own teen and early adult years, and therefore, I would say you could classify it-- if you must-- within the "California Sound".
I don't tend to classify stuff in my life anymore, because it's a waste of time and so subjective....but for me, this was my youth and still speaks to me now. ❤️✌🏻🎶
Additionally, Rick Rubin is such a great resource of creative encouragement and also just life advice/personal/spiritual growth and living.
I am so glad I discovered Rick and his observations at this pin t in my life.
Rick could talk about mashed potatoes and I'd listen to it
Yes. Clearly a genius. Good name for an album...”mashed potatoes”
Every Tom song "wrecks me" You move me dude, yes you do.
One of my favorite authors of all time; The Tipping Point, Talking to Strangers, etc. interviewing one of my favorite producers of all time; Johnny Cash, Tom Petty, RHCP? Wake me up, I must be dreaming!
Both legends, magical album, Tom Petty learned how to access the higher consciousness in the swamps of Florida.
Gladwell is practically a legend himself at this point. Legends ain't what they used to be (since the advent of the internet, not to steal any glory from Gladwell).
you have to be "nice", that is morally billable, to become anything these days; the days of the evil genius, such a one was Disney, for instance, are over? Maybe after Armageddon we'll have our dastards back
Word !
Jeff Lynne wasn't totally a happy accident, or "mistake" like Rubin puts it -- Petty was already impressed with Lynne's work on Cloud Nine when George H played it for him, and that's why when Petty ran into Lynne later in LA, he was psyched to get the ball rolling w Lynne
I really miss tom, What a gift he was.
She's the One is a bad ass album too.
So under the radar....Supernatural Radio. ....Give me Wildflowers,Shes The One and Echo and I’m good😎😎
I watched that silly film for the music only .....
Walls, Angel Dream, California...all amazing. Very underrated.
Rubin and Petty!!!! Is there anything better???? Wildflowers and She's The One! What great Albums! And to think I love Beastie Boys and Run DMC, John Cash, Black Crowes, Dixie Chicks......RUBIN IS A GENIUS!!
Holy shit.....there's a Wildflowers 2.
Fml and we never get to hear it.
He references "she's the one"soundtrack had some track and eludes to "I hope you never fall in love" was one. I still have my actual CD from 25 years ago in my truck.....that's also from about 25 years ago. Man I would pay to hear Wildflowers B sides any day of the week. Shut up an take my money!!!!!!
They have released two of these songs in the past month and are preparing the box set.
@Don P thank you!!! This is fuckin awesome!!!!! I can't wait!
Me too dude...I still play my TPATH cassettes in my pickup
wesley strauss reissue announced yesterday!
I can't believe it's been over 5 years since I lost my friend, Tom...
I missed hearing about Tom and his crew backing up Johnny Cash on Unchained...That album ROCK'ed and Mike Campbell has one of the gnarliest hooks and one of the greatest guitar tones on the title song. Please do an episode on that album.
Rick + Tom = Genius
just saw this after I wrote the same thing!!!
@@thomasbusy3632 Great minds...
Just pre-ordered the 3 LP box set!
True story. I sent Rick my EP, I hope he listens to it.
I can't wait for it! My fear is that it'll be limited edition
Jeff Lynne is untouchable. I love Rick. Jeff is on a whole other level though
Wild Flowers "Special Edition (Double Album)". I really loved the documentary.
The song “Wildflowers “ was done in a one take stream of consciousness...he he started strumming and singing, and Benmont was sitting there at the piano and started to play along...Tom said he spent no more than 4-5minutes total on that song....brilliant
This is another myth of song writing up there with Paul McCartney writing Yesterday in a dream. Yes, you can have the initial inspiration for a song, but there's always going to be an editing and revision process. Saying it took 4-5 minutes to write a 3 minute song just isn't what took place. It's like Jesus could swim the 100 meter quickly and that was interpreted as walking on water. It creates a mythos.
Yeah I always tell that story when I play the album. Petty was a natural songwriter. So glad a got a chance to see him a couple times. This album was my go-to place as a child.
Yes...!!!! Dylan said a long time ago that songs came unbidden into his mind; Tom said when asked about inspiration, "don't like to stare too long into that light" same response from Sting and Springsteen, genius.
@@thesadwolf Your point is fair but sometimes it does happen that cleanly.
TP's fourth peak was his very last album.
If you mean Hypnotic Eye, then yes. That came out of nowhere.
I just think of his music as a journey; don't think in terms of peaks, loved interview. Really glad you brought up Hypnotic Eye which was indeed brilliant. Tx for insight.
Completely true. What an album. Amazing he was creating so well that late in life.
My favorite Tom Petty album.
Rick is the best.
This playlist includes some of the unreleased songs from Wildflowers:
th-cam.com/play/PLJYJ_4ZV-QQ1Uy4b1cwe5huiYecPIxR5c.html
Great interview thnx. It seems the music you guys listened to was cut out. It would be nice if you could make a list here of the music that Rick comments on.
I saw three shows on I think it was the dogs with wings tour right after wildflowers had came out . Those were such good times first one was in Phoenix at sky harbour arena and remember they played Girl on LSD. Fantastic show then saw two more in southern California at Pacific ampitheater and somewhere else I don't remember. I'm sure the box will great but they could probably do a box for every record that would stand up
The story about how Tom came to work with Jeff Lynne as Tom tells it was that he saw Jeff at a traffic light when they were in their cars, as Rick Rubin says here. But the background is that Tom had really liked Cloud Nine, a recent George Harrison album produced by Jeff, and already wanted to work with him when they happened to see each other. That ended up leading to the Traveling Wilburys and the 2 albums Jeff Lynne produced for Tom, Full Moon Fever and Into the Great Wide Open.
Just saw on the iTunes store that the Wildflowers and All The Rest album is expected Oct 16th.
To me Tom Petty is one of the greatest songwriters of th e RnR era..to me Full Moon Fever was a transition to being more of a singer/songwriter style . Wildflowers certainly is a high point too. However my favorite album OF HIS was earlier and that was SOUTHERN ACCENTS.
There's an interesting tidbit about the song Wildflowers from the Petty biography written by Warren Zanes . . . It was often wondered who the subject was: who is it that "belongs among the wildflowers." Petty confessed that we didn't think he knew, but whole working with a therapist, he came to see that it was about himself . . . that _he_ belonged among the wildflowers.
Wow. Just, wow. Tom Petty seems really interesting.
He is. Find that doc that Rick mentioned from Peter Bogdanovic "Runnin Down a Dream".
Watch the bogdonevitch film the Rubin mentions.
Please release the second Wildflowers disc. Please.
Rick does it in a very Rick Rubin way and calls up the unreleased The Tom Petty Wildflower songs on his IPhone!!!! What a legend!!!’
TP inspired me to become a songwriter : )
Petty On!! Brother!!