I was listening to music from the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and even the 1600's when I was growing up (graduated High School in 1978). No one force fed the music to me. Good music is good music.
Join the club. I absolutely loved the music of my great grandparents (1910s-1920s western), grandparents (swing, jazz, blues, country, soul) and parents (50's rock, bluegrass, country, music theatre), developing eclectic tastes that traveled back up the generational tree as I in turn introduced my parents to the music that dominated my era. My friends and I listened to albums from all of those genres in the late 70s and into the early 80s. This was in what then was semi-rural Eastern Washington state, so I don't presume it was an unusual journey through music at the time, especially since in the pre-MTV days, we were all watching the same handful of TV stations and listening to the same slightly larger handful of radio stations. If we wanted to control our listening options, the primary means was the multi-generational family collection of albums, since the wages for teens often only allowed about an album a month to be added to your own small collection.
I listened to all my parents albums before I was old enough to make money and buy my own. Loved the big band sound, Frank Sinatra, etc. Radio provided me with insight into modern music. First AM and then FM. I think moving from physical media to cloud based music has had a big impact on bands longevity.
Not sure how high it charted, but I bought the 45 of What A Wonderful World in 1988, from the soundtrack of Good Morning Vietnam. 1926 to 1988 is a nice stretch of people loving his music
Jim said something at 12:00 that I've said many times to friends: "We were teenagers in the early 80s. Would we be listening to music from 1942?". I can't count how many times I've said that to people. I think one reason is that music from the 40s had inferior technology and it had lower sound quality (not all, but a lot). Also, the instrumentation was orchestral. Contrast that with 2024 and 1984, where the instrumentation is very similar (in some cases, identical - drums, bass, guitar, vox, keys) and the sound quality pretty much hit close to 100% in the late 1970s onward, making music from 2020 and 1980 indistinguishable to someone who was unfamiliar with that material.
It depends on the musical taste and on the availability. I was a teenager in the early 80s and I was interested in lots of musical styles - everything that sounded interesting and good. I looked through the records of my father and found some classic records which appealed to me. And there were big band records like Benny Goodman, Glen Miller and in between George Gershwin which I really like. At the same time I was introduced to Jethro Tull. And I liked synthesizer music and ABBA (yes). To me the diversity is what makes music interesting. And if you wish you have much more access to lots of different music now (YT, Spotify...). But you need to be interested.
Music no longer had massive evolutionary changes between decades. 1940 - 1980 is not the same as 1980 - 2020. Fewer cultural differences and more nuanced differences in music from 80 - 90, 90 - 2000. What's the difference in music between 2014 and 2024? Hardly any. Its all tapered out.
That was my father's music so it was on in the house. I appreciated it and still enjoy it when I hear it. As he said later "our kids were raised in households with a lot of music around".
I saw The Cure on their tour opener 2yrs ago, and was amazed at the number of younger folks, under 25, that were there. I’m 57 and The Cure was huge while I was in college. I found it really charming watching these kids all dressed up, enjoying the Musi I enjoyed in college and still love.
They also wrote some of the great pop ballads of the 80s. Of course, many of the older/original fans thought they had sold out, which I totally get, but to us Gen-Xers, those songs were the soundtrack to all our slow dances and budding romances.
I love Chicago's albums up to X. I absolutely love big band jazz of the 1930s to 1960s. You can also find me listening to 1980s-90s black/doom/thrash/Nwobh metal, followed by Baroque compositions and 2010s albums by lesser known female artists. There's so much great music to enjoy but not enough time.
I took my son to see Rush on the Clockwork Angels tour. He became a good amateur drummer and introduced me to Mastodon and Gojira years later. He adores thrash metal and Pantera and even Ghost. It's kinda wild, some kids are just gonna find their tribe no matter what is currently 'mainstream.'
I immediately thought of Rush when Jim talked about bands adapting to the popular sound of the time. Rush was always Rush, but their sound definitely morphed over the years.
@@Stevanavich725 I'm going to get crucified for this, but Power Windows was the first album where I felt like Rush were on to something special, and then it just disappeared. After watching their documentary it's clear Alex was not very thrilled about the synthesizers, but I honestly feel like his best solos were in that era. His solo on Marathon made me want to start playing guitar. The album version at least.
@@NikoBased This is a non-crucifixion zone. My first Rush album was Signals and first concert was the Grace Under Pressure tour. // If it sounds good, it IS good! //
I am 70 and my grandson is 16. He got into music primarily through Spotify and vinyl. He listened to HipHop. After hearing a song that sampled King Crimson I played him the original. He was intrigued and started listening to older music that I listen to.
I saw U2 at the Rainbow in Denver in 1981 during their "Boy" tour when "I Will Follow" was getting college radio play. It was a Tuesday $6 ticket special, maybe 80 people there. Bono called everyone to gather towards the front of the stage. I bought a Boss Delay pedal the next day.
The Rainbow Music Hall....near the intersection of Evans and Monaco. What a great venue, apparently a converted multi-screen movie theater. Lots of great shows there over pretty much the entire 80's with a bit of overlap to the late 70's, including The Police (1979 and 1980) and R.E.M (both 1983 and 1984)--two other bands discussed here. The building was partially demolished/remodeled some time after the last show there, and it now makes up part of a Walgreens pharmacy.
I just saw Iron Maiden in concert last night. I first saw them in 1984. In 1984, it would have been inconceivable to me if somebody told me I was going to see this exact same band performing new material 40 years in the future. I liked the Stones and Sabbath as a teenager in the 80s but I perceived them as ancient and they were only in their late-30s. I figured Maiden would be around for ten more years and that would be it. My life as a metal fan would be over by age 25. Yet I went to a metal concert in 2024 at the age of 55 and enjoyed it as much as I did 40 years ago. And it wasn’t nostalgia. It’s a love for this music that has never gone away.
A band that deserves mention here is The Bee Gees, incredible songwriters and singers who had hits in four different decades. You go from To Love Somebody to How Can You Mend A Broken Heart to Stayin Alive to Islands In The Stream.
That's exactly who I was thinking of when I saw this topic. I saw a video recently that mentioned the Bee Gees as a "disco group." But they had an entire successful pop music career better than most of their contemporaries before the disco era even started, then went on perform some of the best and most memorable disco hits too.
The subject of the video is if fans followed artists throughout their careers, if fans "grew" with the artists, and how artists adapted. I doubt but I really don't know if the 'Odessia' audience would have stuck around for SNF because Nights On Broadway and Jive Talkin' signaled major shifts with them, not just one offs. Likewise, will our newer audience members care about 'Holiday', etc?
I’m 72, and have turned my 18 year old granddaughter on to lots of my favorite bands from the 60s up to the 90s. She has shared her current favorites with me, and we both are richer for it. She’s found a lot to like in groups that most of her peers have never heard of.
exactly ! and to be fair to cultural traditions YOU ARE DOIN THE RIGHT THING! FUCK THIS WESTERN AMERIKKAN CORPORATE Business MACHINE layout /templates -EXAMPLE- all across Africa(as well as India) music is shared and appreciated with the older Gen and the new Gen on the same listen playing field! exactly the way you and your child are doing it! I applaud you for it!👏 also we have to keep in mind of the social political perspective of when the punk rock movement changed the Rules in a generation.
@@waynereed9912 I go through new music on Spotify every week. Hard to find the good stuff, but it is there. It gets easier, as Spotify learns my tastes and recommends new music to me. Always enjoyed listening to a new song for the first time. Most of the new music I love, doesn't chart, but sometimes it does well.
@@stealthyBLK Thank you. This is a largely white phenomenon they are discussing. In American Black communities people tend to appreciate music throughout their lives.
This might be one of the top Beato segments ever for me. Tight and concise analysis by 2 very knowledgeable people. Mountains of info in just 14 minutes. Outstanding! Cheers from Canada!
Only I don't think their analysis holds water. The charts are full of artists who started their careers twenty, thirty, even almost forty years ago (Kylie Minogue is probably the most extreme example; she's been producing top-ten hits regularly since 1987, most recently in 2023). Minogue and similar acts are not exactly the kind of music I like or listen to either, but confidently denying the facts doesn't a top segment make.
Don't forget Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers hit it big the 70's, and most hits were in the 80's with the biggest hits in the 90s. They still had small commercial hits in the 2000's and Mojo in 2010 is a banger!
I never realized this point you make until I saw the documentary Runnin Down a Dream. Holy crap they had a lot of hit songs. They got tons of air play in the radio era.
ABBA is one of my favorite groups, and I am currently in my 20s. I think if an artist is good, their music will be relevant and around for a long time.
bingo. especially after the music is disassociated from the trends. when abba was current, it was SUPER uncool. years later cool doesn't matter and it's just about the music.
This is a product of quality recording. The teenager spirit of the 70s, 80s and 90s lives on because it was recorded "well", or cleanly enough. When you get to older records, there is a grittiness that modern listeners are not ready to endure.
@@jimthain8777 Not sure about all the music from 80 years ago, but Sing, Sing, Sing With A Swing had quite a revival in the 1990's. I think young people would quickly tire of that kind of music if that's all the newer groups were coming out with, but they would appreciate an occasional song from that era if the sound quality was good.
The magical thing about music is that there's so much of it that you will never run out of things to discover. I neatly fit in that mid-40s category where contemporary music is just not for me anymore, but there were so many artists and bands from my teens and early 20s that I keep finding and falling in love with that I'm quite certain I will never run out of "new" music to listen to.
I like discovering musicians from other cultures and countries. It was actually Eurovision that made me think that there should be an Asianvision, Africanvision, Amerucanvision and a Oceaniavision. All you have to do is type in TH-cam songs from... Insert the name of the country that you want to discover. I have discovered the handpan instrument this way. You can also type in music from any genre this way too
@@anngulliver5964 They made an _attempt_ at doing an "American Song Contest" (as in US states, not countries across the continent(s)...) but it just didn't have the vibes at all! - I think having what genuinely feels like "separate teams" is a big part of the sauce (even if a random Swede got hired to write the song anyway lol). It was basically just another bad american competition show, with songs that were all "mediocre versions of what you might hear on the radio". While in Eurovision, at worst you will at least get some mediocre radio songs you might hear _in a different country_ ! But of course Eurovision isn't all mediocre but usually some "high highs and low lows" and I think it's down to just having less fear of being silly, trying weird stuff and "committing to the bit" instead of everything having to be overproduced and "safe"
I'm Duran Duran fan since 1984 and still i'm..duranies are so many around the world and they still give their fun a lot of material and live concert...and the secret for me is they've never been the through decades ..improving
I know it's probably not up your alley Rick, but would absolutely love an interview with Bruce Hornsby! He's such a musical icon of mine and with his connection to the Grateful Dead I thought he deserves a Rick Beato interview! Please make it happen!
Great suggestion - I think he'd be an interesting interviewee. Isn't he the only Grateful Dead keyboardist to survive (apart from the one who wasn't a full member and left in the '60s)?
Hornsby is fantastic, and I would love to hear what he would have to say in an interview with Beato. I don't know if I've ever even heard any of the Dead shows shows that he was a part of, but regardless, I love his solo stuff. I mean, I love the Dead, too.
Love that attitude that sometimes music just isn't for you. Music is not often ubiquitous, and it's not universally good or bad. It appeals to a lot of people sometimes, and sometimes it appeals to only a few, but it's still music, and it's still wonderful when you find it and you like it. Hating on music you don't like is like hating on people you don't like. There's an endless supply of both, and you'll never rid the world of either, so you're just wasting your life.
Yah I don’t on mine if I don’t like but there’s a difference between that and why older music became timeless classics and they many ppl feel todays music won’t (with rare exceptions). Today’s generation just relies heavily on sampling..
I think it’s the difference between classical music and folk music….or commissioned music and non commissioned (spontaneous)….commissioned music is basically court music… it is the industry….non commissioned is basically folk music…. I mean you can go to a restaurant and hear a great musician set just the right tone and never remember them or their songs….but you can’t avoid Taylor Swift…whether you like her songs or not
There’s such a massive range of music available just on your cell phone now. I take three kids to choir practice all aged 10, they wanted the Beatles, Taylor Swift and Nirvana played during the journey! Awesome ☺️
But only The Beatles in that group is any good...I think they were just rattling off names they knew because what they knew was limited...I can't stand the other two.
My dad was born in 1926 and I was born in 1968. I was that one oddball in 1980 that was listening to the music of the 40s, the 80s, and everything in between.
What an awesome conversation. I’ve often wondered why older music is so popular with today’s youth. When I was a teenager we didn’t even dabble too much outside of whatever genre we affiliated with. Today those barriers are down, including with me. And there is good music being made.
U2 was popular with college crowd around 80 and were getting air play on college radio. I saw them in a small joint (Stage West) in West Hartford CT in Dec 1981. Prob 80-100 people tops. Stood about 5ft from the Edge the whole show. Great memory and fun story to tell. Stage West was a fun place. Joe Jackson, Missing Persons, Plasmatics all came through.
@@NVRAMboi Agree. College Radio was great. Even some of the more progressive FM stations. Early 80's University of Windsor - I remember my older brother got turned on to Supertramp.
@mike_f That's early for U2. I was in Boston from '77 to '81 and again from '83 to '93. The best rock and roll station I ever listened to was WBCN in Boston. In late 84, WBCN kept playing these two songs that I learned were called "Pride" and a live version of "Bad" by some band called U2. That's when I became a fan. Only saw U2 once live at the Worcester Centrum in May of '87. Unreal experience! Was a huge fan for about 25 years and then faded out. But right now, I'm so turned off to U2 because of Bono's politics. I saw a video that he recorded last December at our National Cathedral in DC to push a book he wrote and all he did was talk politics. Sitting in a church, trying to sell a book, talking politics; it just seemed so wrong. That's my U2 story. Probably still have 5 to 6 cassette tapes and one or two CDs of theirs.
@@thomasluby1754 my older brother was up in Boston same time as you and was feeding me all the stuff he was listening to at the time. I remember going to several shows at the Orpheum back then. Ramones, Elvis Costello. Also managed to see Bo Diddly open for the Clash somewhere else {Cambridge maybe). Yeah, BCN was different back then too for sure.
Best line of the entire chat was at the end....(paraphrasing) "If you are over 40 and you don't understand the music kids are listening to today, that's because it is not for you." Love it!
This argument doesn’t always work tho. Generally it does, but not always. It’s like the ppl justifying some of the poorly done Disney live action remakes because “it’s for kids..not for your generation” line that’s no excuse to do they did with Mulan 2020. YES things change but as long as it’s not changing for the worse. We will see of today’s music will still be celebrated 40 yrs from now. There maybe some gems like Adele and Bruno Mars..
What kids? Some are into metal, others into rap... kids from gen Z are not a monolith, they listen to a variety of genres. I'm millennial and there is plenty of new music that I love and plenty of new music I don't understand. It's almost like there are so many types of music nowadays that anyone could find what they like./s
I don't see how they could design music specifically not to appeal to someone over 40. I suspect it is more a case that when we're young we are more open to new things. Although even when I was younger there were styles that just didn't take.
What a great topic and conversation. As a middle age guy I’ve lately been listening to streaming services “new rock” channels and was actually pleasantly surprised by the content. Good new music is out there, it just has to be searched as radio promotion isn’t there.
I always love these conversations. Lots to think about. The wide availability of Pop Music's back catalog from digital sources, plus the lower quality of much of today's music, makes me think that's what draws young people to older music.
I’m a few years younger than Rick, born in 1966. My dad was in a band when I was born and gigged around LA. He played a lot of records he liked for me. Until a certain age most music I knew came through my dad. He would play “oldies” which in the early 70s meant music from the 50s. He also played a lot of top 40 and country. We always watched Hee Haw on weekends. When I was older he would take me to shows. He took me to see the Everly Brothers and Jan and Dean and would go see artists like Jerry Lee Lewis or others from that era. He bought me 45s that I was interested in when they came out; Smoke on the Water, Black Dog, Old Days, Fox on the Run. He was really into CCR and the Eagles and those were the first 2 bands we “shared” in terms of claiming bands as “our own” but my affinity was toward the harder edge stuff as it became more popular. He continued to like the Eagles but would later claim he didn’t go for their more edgier songs that I really liked. We moved from LA to near San Diego in 1976. McCartney’s Venus and Mars and Speed of Sound were really big at the time. My parents had just purchased our new house when we were driving back to LA from SD and I heard a song my dad would never had played for me by a band I could not identify. Lots of energy, hooky chorus and blistering guitar solo. The DJ never identified the song or the band before going to commercial so I listed to that radio station every day until they played that song again. Finally after a week or so they did. It was KISS Rock n Roll All Nite from Alive. I wasn’t quite 10 but I remember seeing KISS records at the store so I got my mom to take me to the store so I could buy that album. That was the first album I bought with my own money. The first album I bought was Who By Numbers the year before that, but my mom gave money to go with our neighbors to a record store. This was when I started to find “my” era of music that was different from my parents. After we moved again, this time to the SF area the first thing I did was set up my drums and started playing along with KISS Alive and 2 older guys busted into my room saying they needed a drummer then realized I was a few years younger but it didn’t matter. They gave me records to listen to that included Black Sabbath, Ted Nugent (who I had heard of but not listened to), Skynyrd and a trio from Canada called Rush. I had completely diverged from my dad’s influence starting down my own path. I don’t have kids myself so I haven’t had the same kind of influence on younger people as others. But I agree to degree that something from the 40s would not have caught my ear. My drum teacher got me and my parents tickets to a Buddy Rich and Louie Bellson show in 1977 that got me interested in jazz for the first time. Buddy and Louie were more from the 50s than the 40s so that’s probably the earliest music I would have listened to when I was 10 or so but mostly listened to new music at that age. I am often surprised that much of the music from that era continues to be some of the more higher selling catalogs in this day and age. We grew up during a special time. I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention Rush who never tried to write a hit and lived on the fringes of popular music and ultimately had a 40 year career.
The last two times that I saw RUSH I saw many families of three generations there including men in their 70s. The fact that they never swore or cursed had to be a factor behind it besides their limitless talent and excellence. I saw them almost every tour from 1981 until the end. Neil was a great person who will always be missed.
@@uprebel5150I only saw them for Grace Under Pressure, but loved them as a teen and I love them still. They were the thinking man’s band, which is why they didn’t try too hard, curse (Except for that time on Trailer Park Boys and in a few interviews)or do wild or illegal stuff to get attention. Well, there was that time with Alex Lifeson in Florida but aside from that…. One of my favorite things to do is watch reactions from young TH-cam creators, as they discover music from the rock era, Rush among them. I love seeing their eyes light up in amazement and I think, “I have hope for the future!”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm laughing because I think this guy just wrote his life story. I skimmed what he wrote and then I hit the "Read more" button because I wanted to see how much he wrote and when I did, I just started laughing. Looks like he has a lot to say. Sorry I didn't read most of it, but I hope it made him feel good to write it.
RUSH had new young listeners and concert goers for each decade that they still played! Great music and fans that love to pass down great music to their young children and it keeps going, until they quit and other sad things.
Rush did change through the decades (a little) though too. Moving Pictures compared to Snakes N Arrows. Huge difference, but I agree the fan base was always there for them!!
My son is 25 and a musician. He began 5 years ago on Beatles, Elton, Billy Joel and a few others from that period. He now plays contemporary Indie but still listens and plays songs from the 70’s forward. I think Rick was onto something when he mentioned Spotify. Kids can get exposed to music not knowing or caring when it was made. I notice my son doesn’t care what year a song came out, doesn’t care what the artist looks like or what his life story is. And he’s not into albums, just songs. And a good song is a good song.
This is such an important observation. 👍🏼 Remember when there were Oldies and Oldies Stations? And teens of the 60’s - 80’s wouldn’t touch Oldies with a ten foot pole. It was always the here and now and what was new that was popular and spread among young people (Sure, you still had cliques that liked outlier genres). But buying an album was an investment and a statement of your preferences or an acknowledgment of what was popular at the time. And when you discovered your genre you kinda stuck to it with your purchasing habits. But, what do young to middle aged adults listen to now? TH-cam & Spotify playlists that are a strange mix of recent hits and what we would have considered Oldies back in our day. Why? Listening habits have changed. Music is a “consumable” now and not necessarily an investment in a preferred music style. What people would have considered Oldies today is mixed in with the latest hits on the radio, TH-cam, or TikTok. Music is very homogeneous today.
When we were kids - talking to people born anywhere from the 50's to the 70's there was a big social idea of the Generation Gap. I think the 'youngins' don't have that concept at all decreeing what they should or shouldn't like. Thinks are less monolithic now than they were. Now seems like everything consumable is tailored to what an individual likes.
I was a teenager in the 80s and I did listen to music from the 50s to the 80s. I discovered Elvis, The Beatles, The Stones, The Animals and Eric Burdon, Cream, Led Zeppelin, Police, Metallica, Fleetwood Mac.... but lots of these bands were still making music and so there was a lot to discover. Everything 40s was really old back then but that has to do with the style of that music, the pre WWII world without Rock 'n' Roll and all that. Elvis and The Beatles did change a lot how music was turning towards being more timeless for decades.
I think a big factor in the persistent relevance of some older acts is due to the accessibility of music via streaming platforms. To have an encyclopedic library of the last 50 years of music on hand on vinyl or even CD would be astronomically expensive and take up a huge amount of physical space, not to mention the time involved in cataloging or locating a specific album or artist. But for the last 15+ years for a nominal fee per month we have *all* the music at our finger tips just a keystroke away. So whether you want to listen to AC/DC's Hells Bells or something topping the 2024 pop charts, it's all immediately available from your couch. So I think in many ways that has acted as a bridge between music eras. It seems to me that as a kid if you had to choose between buying a 40 year old record and something of the moment, you'd probably choose the latter, but today the music consumer doesn't have to make that choice.
I think it's a good point. And I think the industry recognizes there is no return. Hence the investment of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to own the rights to songs of everyone from Bob Dylan to Journey to Twisted Sister. We're never going to have these mainstream cultures again, in the view of the investors anyway.
I agree. Apple music gives me lots of unknown artists (unknown to me) for experimenting. Far less expensive than buying a compact disk, playing it once then tossing it into my CD box.
No, you don't have all the music at your finger tips. I have a bunch of vinyl that is not available on any streaming media. Artists themselves are starting to say no - try and get a Neil Young song on Spotify. And even if available, the media moguls in charge are now serving up "enhanced" copies of tracks, to make them them more palatable to the autotune generation. Yup, the're even retuning the harmonics of the BeeGees to be more down with the kids. And don't believe the "all the music" thing will last forever. You only have to look at the video streaming industry. It used to be that you would get "everything" from Netflix, or Amazon Prime. Now the market is hugely fragmented, if you are interested in a new sitcom or drama then you have to fork out for a subscription to the Disney Channel, or Apple TV, or any one of all the others. Music streaming will go the same way. Sony have just bought the Pink Floyd back catalog, and have other big names on their books. How long before they stop Spotify streaming their bands and set up their own - for a fee - streaming app. Spotify's business model will fall apart when this happens. Then, where is all your music?
Rick been watching your interviews & other videos religiously. You have such a great vibe! Full of passion, love, knowledge & the utmost respect for artists, especially the greats. Much love!!
Remember when we were kids, Rick? Many, many famous acts covered other people's popular songs in concerts. And variety shows dominated prime-time TV, and singers routinely performed popular songs of the day, that were not their records.
That's still quite popular, both in concert and even more so on TH-cam. It's a great way for a band to connect their fans with music from the band's influences. Disturbed's cover of Simon and Garfunkel's The Sound of Silence is one of many great examples.
It's become incredibly rare for covers to be hits. Way more rare than it used to be. And when they happen, its almost always a song originally written before about 2000. This used to not be the case at all. Successful covers used to not have to reach that far back.
@@Keepingyoung One example is not a refutation of rarity. Here are 20 major hits from 1980-1984 that were all major hits: Blondie - “The Tide Is High” Toni Basil - “Mickey” Bow Wow Wow - “I Want Candy” Laura Branigan - “Gloria” Soft Cell: Tainted Love Joan Jett And The Blackhearts: I Love Rock And Roll Quiet Riot: Cum on Feel the Noize Cindy Lauper: Girls Just Want to Have Fun Kim Carnes: Bette Davis Eyes Phil Collins: You Can't Hurry Love Dionne Warwick et al. - That's What Friends Are For Naked Eyes - Always Something There to Remind Me Taco - Puttin' On The Ritz David Bowie - China Girl They Honeydrippers - Sea Of Love Juice Newton - Angel of the Morning Van Halen - Pretty Woman Hall and Oates - You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' Chaka Khan - I Feel For You Pat Benetar - You Better Run Can you name 20 equally successful covers from 2020-2024?
My favorite band since Fly By Night, but their first mainstream hit was Limelight in 1981 and last was Nobody's Hero in 1994 so sort of a different animal in terms of single sales.
The digital age has shed timelines. With instant access to the entire earthly music library, the “when” doesn’t matter any more. The “good” does. And that’s awesome.
The internet has opened the music catalog in both time and space. Music in the U.s. usually came from artists in the U.S., Europe and Canada, but now artists from all over the world can pop up in people's music lists.
recorded music was a phenomenon that appealed to adults in the early part of the 20th century.... popular music divided into adult and teen flavors in the late 40's / early 50's. the teen flavor is what you're talking about, but there was always music for adults since recording started. i am 70 - i personally listen to music written and produced by small indie bands on Spotify almost exclusively. there is SO MUCH great music being made out of the mainstream... it's the mainstream that has become irrelevant. The thing that disturbs me is that hardly anyone actively seeks out music that is currently being made, and there is SO MUCH.
The radio prior to late 1990s made it very easy to promote and find musical talent and art, musically 🤔... Search for something that should be easily accessible ( 😏😉 let's face it, human beings are lazy) ☝️...and mainstream media hiding or in some cases burying new talented poets, where it would NOT profit " the industry"... As it is currently instituted..😉
There was something very very unique about the 60s/70s rock era. It has the feel of being very “edgy” and exciting. A unique time. Thats why it lasts with other generations
@@strategery101 i just don't see it being any more edgy or exciting than King Oliver, Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, Cab Calloway, Glen Miller, Harry James, Tommy Dorsey, Shostakovich, Bartok, Schoenberg, Ella Fitzgerald, Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, Dinah Washington, Lena Horne, Etta James.... some of the most amazing songwriters, the birth of Jazz, the birth of rock.... ALL of what i wrote above was thirty years of evolution creating music the likes of which had never been heard before which has continued to the present day.
It is though. My proof? Kids today wear shirts of those bands. They don’t of earlier artists. And the kids of the 70s don’t care really about artists from 20 years before
I truly enjoy music. This channel gives me what I lack, and that is a perspective of music that I never think of. The history discussed in this vid, is something I would never have thought of. Never the less, it adds to my perspective. Along with his knowledge of the industry and it's players, this is why Rick is so successful.
I'm a contemporary of Rick and Jim and like them, I never listened to music from 1942 in the early '80s. But, because of Spotify and other ways music of the past is accessible, music has become just music, particularly as it's all remastered whereas back in the day, you either had to buy it or hear it on the radio. In other words, you consumed music that was current or past music that you read about, heard or were recommended. It tended to be music that meant something to your life and other people's lives at that time. Now, there is no centralised or dominant music-listening culture. People can be listening to The Beatles one minute, Sabrina Carpenter or Billie Eilish the next and after that, who knows, Frank Sinatra?
There’s a band that no longer have their lead singer but are still touring & have loads of young people seeing them sometimes with their parents who loved the band with that original singer & that is ….Queen.
My granddaughter has been taking lessons in guitar and keyboards for several years now. I've introduced her to a lot of my favorite artists from the 60's-90's era and she really loves them. She especially likes Fleetwood Mac and David Bowie.
I was once told by someone, in 1989, who truly knows about music: "There is no such thing as bad music; it's just not to your taste".....I would add a caveat, which I have hopefully taught my kids, and that's to appreciate and respect the historical journeys, and connections, that have led to the music they enjoy and love....This was a great video...
I went to The Smashing Pumpkins recent tour in London and there were so many young people there. Absolutely loads of em. Great to see - experiencing what we experienced all those years ago.
Iron Maiden is another example; still selling out big arenas, still doing million dollar production shows, still have a huge fan base, yet if they put out a new album today it would hardly get the attention of radio. Then again, radio has always had a death wish for anything metal or progressive.
Does radio even matter that much anymore? Senjutsu had that one single that sounded like 70s Journey played over and over on the FM rock radio stations around here, and similarly singles from the last few Priest albums. As a rocker and metalhead I don't know why I should really even listen to FM radio. I mostly do when driving but I almost never hear anything that catches my fancy, a few new songs, then the top 2 hits of established bands, and selected 20 songs of Metallica. I would rather listen to an internet radio where I might hear something that catches my ear and really grabs me like Girish and the Chronicles, or a track from Robert Mason era Warrant. Seeing as I have nobody to share the experience of "hey did you hear that on the radio" now because nobody listens to it actively and on purpose, and the song selections are mostly very limited and unimaginative, the radio just seems like ad infested background music of mostly dubious quality, the main saving grace of is that it comes from a source which can easily be switched on.
@@erozC Radio had its time, but yeah, down-streaming services are the better option today. I use Spotify to find the music I like and I often run into some good music from artists I've never heard of. There was a time radio was your guiding light for anything new, but those days are long gone as they've all sold-out to the corporate machine. They just don't care about real music anymore, as it's all about ad revenue. I live in the small town of Bend, Oregon. Every now and then I'll dial through the radio out of curiosity. There's only one rock station, and as you can guess, it's all Classic Rock. I say, thank goodness for down-streaming services.
you mean THE Iron Maiden, Brit metal band that treats renting semi trailers as if they're made of GOLD? So instead of renting ONE MORE TRAILER, they force stage hands to SQUEEZE 1-1/2 trucks worth of HUGE, HEAVY PA SPEAKERS into one single truck? 3 high - every bit as heavy and unsafe as that sounds - instead of the N American standard of 2 high, with a foot left overhead? By the end, we were just THROWING the G-damn things on their face, gritting teeth and lifting those heavy assed cabs to 3-up - roadie got short with us... we just looked at him and laughed. Those cheap bas****ds? 3 hours of my life I'll never get back. Not worth it. Dangerous, and hands around is loaded truck after truck as we STRUGGLED to accommodate this non-standard load. Cake walk otherwise. Their chief roadie needs to "jump into the 1990s" or retire, imo. This aint London, folks, and it aint brain surgery.
People seem to forget (or they're too young to remember) Iron Maiden almost disappeared in the '90s due to grunge music killing the metal business. We kept Maiden alive for example in Spain, where they weren't just playing small venues, they played at really small villages hired for local public holiday celebrations and stuff.
Great discussion. I will soon be 68 and for me, I feel that the majority of new music today is bad and doesn't appeal to me. And Jim makes a good point that the music today isn't created for me. The good thing is that I am going back to older music that I ignored or didn't like at the time it was released and find I enjoy it today.
Interesting discussion. I'd like to hear you two discuss the longevity of musicians in other genres, like country, jazz, classical, etc. Shawn R., Mo-Mutt Music/Sacred & Secular
I have sons from 13 to 35. I think the reason that kids look back to the late 60’s forward, is that there is a dearth of music or specifically rock heroes today. There are some, but the door is wide open for the the old full-strength examples. My boys listen to and enjoy rock from then to what’s going on up to the minute. It’s all in play.
Yep, I think that the kids today see the same things in the old stuff that Gen X did. My parents are Boomers and so I heard a lot of music from the '50s through the mid-70s when they were around. I also heard more recent stuff, but it doesn't seem weird to me at all to listen to older music, good music, the really good stuff, has a way of remaining worth listening to well past the era during which it was written. It's just that it's only been in recent decades when there was the kind of access we have now to older music.
We were at a party recently and the hostess’s daughter (college age) was playing music from my era (70’s) and I asked her “Did your mom tell you to play this ? And after she said no I asked her “You mean you LIKE this stuff?” Then we all started talking about bands and music in general and she related how a lot of 70’s rock is actually popular among college age kids. I’m still shocked by it. Lol
you're right. I know 20smthgs who regularly listen to 70s 80's 90's. to them it's a whole different thing cuz they can just look up music they like ie Abba and treat it like it's new. which is awesome!
I'm 24 and I can't t understand people that don't like what they call "old" music. Good music is good music so it doesn't matter if it's from 1956 or 2017.
@@Richardkv2112 They still don't have independence in their music choice and are still subject to the hive mind of their group. In a few years, they'll be more independentand branch out to their personal choice, and won't have the need to go along with the group.
@@cheery-hex funnily enough as a 26 year old, I had the urge the other day to listen to this Byrds documentary I found on TH-cam and it got me in a real 60’s mood, so I went around in my car the very next day blasting the Byrds and Jefferson Airplane. It can happen THAT quick!!! Mind you I’ve always liked 60’s music for a while now and have had a few of the Byrds’ hits downloaded, but all it took was a quick documentary to reignite my interested in a few psychedelic rock bands from that decade and I was off! this morning was the first time I finally played Mr Tambourine Man in its entirety and it rocked. I think it’s neat that stuff like that can happen nowadays.
I've been a cover rock musician almost my entire life, (I'm 65 now, but I do have a couple albums under my belt). In order to be relevant, you had to change with the times. Now at 65, I don't feel like I have to be relevant. People come listen just to enjoy the music no matter what age. I grew up as a trumpet player in the late 60's and 70's, (focusing on Jazz and Big Band music), and I was always listening to older music. Mostly because I was taught the complexity of music from earlier times and not just 3 - 4 chord songs with catchy lyrics. But at some time in the mid 70's, the bass guitar started to drag me in to the R n R style of music.
As a boomer Im proud that my generation made so much great music. The great news is that most of it is still available and anyone who loves music can still enjoy it.
I’m 24 about to be 25, over the last three years all I listen to is Pearl Jam. Parents liked them in the 90s but never played albums. Discovered essentially their catalogue on my own. Along with AIC, STP, and Soundgarden.
Good music from any era, plus a technically well executed recording and mix, makes a track timelessly enjoyable. We've never had that combination before arguably the mid 1960s. This is all new territory.
My 2 favorite bands to this day are R.E.M. and U2. They DEFINITELY had crossover fans. It’s what all my friends in middle and high school listened to. And I don’t think the average U2 fan was necessarily 20 in 1980. You were 20. I was 10. I really got into them in 1983 with War. There were definitely fans that were younger.
U2 was extremely popular in my high school during those early 80s years - not just college aged kids. I guess it's only 4 yrs difference but it feels like more from 15 to 19
"Classic rock is not only classic, it also rocks". I love sending my 13 year old grandson TH-cam videos of music I grew up with from the 60's and 70's. He really liked the "Hang on Sloopy" video with the girl dancing and many others.
Golden Earring... 1961-2021. 60 YEARS. SIX DECADES And would still be going if the guitar player hadn't become sick enough to not play as well as he wants to. GREAT BAND!
I'm 68 and a solo piano player/vocalist. I had a brief 5 year span in my late 20s and early 30s when I was able to financially support myself and my ex wife with the gigs I was able to secure. For as brief as it was, I far exceeded most of the musical peers that I grew up with in terms of financial success. I have not been able to match that run since. It's a tough biz.
You went for it and that’s something to be proud of. In my 20’s I had the opportunity to roll the dice on a career in music but I chickened out and built a different, safer career. I settled for once, twice a month gigs in barrooms. Kind of regret would could have been but am still rockin in joints and lovin every minute of it!
Sometimes it’s good to let the guest finish a thought. We already know what Rick thinks about many bands. He brought up the subject of the Chili Peppers to the guest… the guest was about to explain why he didn’t like like them after giving Flea a compliment, and Rick cut it right off. I’ll bet that I would have found the answer interesting.
Would've liked that fleshed out. It's interesting, I'm a moderate fan and recognize that they are very gifted as players. I've seen many performances but none that have been all that good, to me anyway
I grew up in the ‘60s and was surrounded by all kinds of music. In my teens I was in a rock band, but listened to classical, Big Band, Jazz, Folk, you name it. I also discovered Edith Piaf, Middle Eastern, Japanese and Indian music. If it’s good music I listened to it and I’m still on a journey of discovery.
I see two main things at play with music. Music as an art form and music as a way to connect with other people. As an art form you can whip out all sorts of metrics to analyze and appreciate the song. As a means to connect people it’s less about the song than the people. A musician may be frustrated that 100,000 people got together to listen to substandard arrangements, sure. But, my word, 100, 000 people got together. At that point, just sit back and appreciate the raw power. See the masses. That’s the soul of music. People.
Yeah, but I see teens wearing AC/DC, The Doors, Def Leppard and Ice Cube shirts too and I’ll say something to them like “nice shirt. You like them?” And literally none of them could name a song. They all buy these shirts at Target or Hot Topic. And Hot Topic sells a ton of Pink Floyd shirts.
SHOULD have been. seminal artist who took unexpected turns, wasn't afraid to "go big" and theatrical OR bring it back to small and personal... incredible dynamic range. outstanding choice in subject matter and excellent taste in phrasing, timing, tone, etc.
Have you ever seen the short video from his many personalities through the 40 years of his performances and records? Amazing how many diverse figures and styles he played.
3:00 i saw the smashing pumpkins in January '97, went to the concession stand to get a beer, dude said we aren't selling beer,i said why not, he said look around you and i realized the crowd was all teenagers. I felt so old. And now it's this many years later
That reminds me of seeing a Howard Jones concert with my girlfriend at the time. We were both in our early twenties and were the "old" people in the audience; most of which appeared to be girls around 13-15 years old.
This is one of the most remarkable commentaries anywhere. Note when Mr. Barber says that today's pop music is not made for people of other generations. I believe that, and that explains a WHOLE lot. This is the most underrated comment probably in the whole interview.
Great video as always - thank for continuing to cover every conceivable aspect of "listening to music". I think you forgot to mention one important thing, in your conversation around why young people today are listening to 40y ++ old music, and no one did so 40 years ago. Look at the size of the back catalogue available today! Of course there's something for every taste in the past 4 to 5 centuries. You also hear it in today's young artists - they find inspiration in songs from "way back when". And naturally their fans do as well.
I like this guy. This video was more enjoyable to me than interviews with big name artists. Those are fascinating, don't get me wrong. This was just nice and easy, laid back, and a discussion on an interesting topic. Thank you, Rick and Jim.
Thank you, Jim Barber, for saying this. Some of the people on Rick’s Charts videos need to understand this. “If you don’t understand how music sounds for the kids now, that’s probably not a bad thing.”
I like Billie Eilish, Sabrina Carpenter, and last generation's Adele, the generation before that Ben Folds/ Can you write good songs and sing them with meaning.?
The great italian philosopher and author ("The Name of the Rose") Umberto Eco wrote about the 80s and 90's as the first decades where people had for the first time full complete access to all the media (music, film, books, essays, etc.) that were published before and it made a huge difference 😲
Senor Beato! Thank you for all your work in delivering open minded, experienced, views, on music. I know you get these requests constantly and it turns into Battle of the Bands but Tame Impala (the Slow Rush) and Daft Punk(Random Access Memories). I can never stop listening. I grew up in classic rock and will always love rock and roll firstly but I think these albums are absolute genius. Would love to hear your take if you have ever listened. Rock on Senor Rick!
The reason that, in the 80's, the 40s seemed irrelevant, is that the Internet, and TH-cam had not yet made it universally accessible. That's huge.
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Yes. And I would add that there was such a plethora of great new music coming out, we didn't have time to look back. Being focused on all the good stuff of the moment made older music seem irrelevant.
But the 40s were much more distant culturally during the 80s than the 80s seem today. Many current and young artists still try to get that 80s sound. But no 80s pop stars ever wanted to sound like Glen Miller.
Maybe it's because rock stagnated after early 90s grunge so rock has become a time capsule. 25 of the past 40 years didn't count so it's more like a 15 year gap.
As an older listener (I saw Hendrix at MSG in 1970) I still listen to an amazing blend of old and new. Something I've noticed, some groups that I really liked have changed. Members leave, members pass away, along with creative differences which can be good or maybe not. I was a big fan of Jethro Tull, faithful album listener and concert attendee for years. When Martin Barre went his way I kind of faded as a Tull fan although I still enjoy listening to the older catalog. I think Billy Joel has done well at remaining relevant over the years, I listened to Piano Man non-stop for a month when it was first released and have enjoyed nearly everything since.
'Round about 2000, I was astonished that my best friend's teenage daughter, and her daughter's friends, all loved Led Zepplin. When I loved them most (about 1976), they were already past it in the eyes of my contemporaries.
You probably shouldn't have been. If you go on any video of music from the '50s, '60s, '70s or even sometimes into the '90s, you'll see a bunch of kids posting about how cool the music and wishing the modern stuff was as good. I don't think it's an accident, there was so much diversity of sound in the '60s in particular that there's something for just about everybody.
There were loads of people who had short careers in all those decades. Duran Duran still makes music. they release new songs all the time on youtube. these days you don't even have bands, you have one person whose music is made by one person on a laptop and i am glad that most of those people have short careers. i've always noticed that you have 2 types of bands where 1 starts out at the tops because they have a hit song or hit record like guns and roses or you have a band that just gets better and better like pink floyd.
Born in '69, I feel lucky to have been exposed to incredible music-Louis Armstrong, Sinatra, The Beatles, ABBA, Stevie Wonder, Queen-and in Israel, amazing composers with rich harmony, melodies, grooves, and bass lines. All of this shaped me into the musician and bass player I am today!
With U2, their tours - namely ZOO TV - played a massive technological advancement that captured different generations' imaginations. People were just in awe with so much over-the-top shenanigans of that era.
ELVIS NEVER REINVENTED HIMSELF. HE HAD NO NEW MUSIC WHEN HE WENT BACK TO SINGING. HE WAS WASHED UP. THAT IS WHY HE DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE. BECAUSE HE COULD NOT TAKE BEING OUT OF THE LIME LIGHT !!!!!!!!!
@@mefirst4266this is a bad take. Elvis was still wildly popular. Look at his last concerts. Also, his voice and power never left him. Further, he did reinvent himself and his sound several times.
Probably KISS is a special phenomenon. I took my 7years old son to their concert in Tokyo and he was amazed. In his playlist now he has Kiss'songs mixed with some other japanese Pop bands for teenagers. I'm not sure there are many other bands that can have 4〜5 generations going to their concerts.
I've always felt that KISS was and is a mostly visual spectacle accompanied by some music and a lot of pyrotechnics. I recall their very early days of breaking nationally. It was not possible to be unaware of them at the time.
Missing from this discussion was country music and the longevity of many of it's artists. Artists still touring and still making new music, writing new songs and not just being nostalgia acts. What really deserves discussion, is the fact that music is seldom a shared experience anymore. Now everyone is plugged into earbuds and gone are the days of getting together with friends to listen to one's latest album purchase. But then again, maybe the modern equivalent of that is sharing a link.
I was a sophomore in college when the Boy album first came out. A buddy who worked at the college radio station, snuck the LP out long enough for us to hear it and record it on cassette. “I Will Follow” was a game changer. Regarding REM, I didn’t gear them until my 5th year in school, and I became an even bigger fan of their music. But it only lasted thru the Document album. They lost me with “Shiny Happy People.”
I was born in '72, I grew up lustening to Beatles, the Easybeats, Rolling Syones, the Doors, Queen, Sabbath, Zeppelin, Dr Hook, original Little River Band, Cold Chisel, Midnight Oil, The Angels, The Radiators even Air Supply... and I still listen to them now plus everything in between. Australia still has a great pub band culture who are keeping rock alive! 🤘
Makes sense. You began your teenage years about 1985. That was when music was most important to you. Those were the years when you transitioned for teenager to adult.
No female vocalists? Why do you say "even" Air Supply? Anyway, I have l a lot of albums by people you mentioned, including all I could find by Air Supply. I'm sorry Cold Chisel, The Angels and The Radiators weren't more successful here in the US.
Lol! What a strange discussion. I still don't get the whole "things are back to normal" and that "singers and musicians didn't have long careers until the mid-sixties," which seems to be at the center of this discussion. Also, that "only teenagers bought records" in previous generations. Is that for real? I realize that classical music may be an outlier here, but adults bought millions of classical records in the 1940, 50s and 60s. There was RCA Living Stereo, Columbia Masterworks, Mercury Living Presence just to name a few. They had artists like Leonard Berstein and Artur Rubinstein who sold millions of records and to not only to adults but elderly adults as well. But there was also jazz - There was Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughan, Count Baise, Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong all of whom spanned two generations of record buyers. But wait, there were popular music artists, who would be surprised to hear that Frank Sinatra "invented" adult popular music. That would be news to Bing Crosby, Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis, Peggy Lee and Tony Bennett. Tony Bennett was still making records with Lady Gaga when he passed away last year! If this was only supposed to be about only rock music, which may be just weird, then there was no rock music before the 1950s and at the beginning there was Elvis. And he had a long career too.
Rick Rubin touched on this in the interview, but Aerosmith is one of the strangest cases because they went through the normal lifecycle of a band in the 70's and then basically died alongside other bands of their era, but then were brought back to life by Rubin with the RUN DMC Walk this Way remake which introduced them to a new generation of kids. Basically they got a second career, I really can't think of another band whose career worked out that way, but without Rick Rubin making them "cool" again, the second career starting with Permanent Vacation probably never happens.
@@Danisapema Discography wise (according to WikiP) 1970 - 2012. As for hits, I would consider: Toys in the Attic (11) and Rocks (3) / Draw the Line (11) to be considered hits, no? Not just speaking of #1's. I enjoy their music, but I am not a huge fan. They did kind of have a raw deal early on getting their music out there. The radio environment was much ... more wholesome than their preferences.
@@FlyWithFitz81 Twenty-one of Aerosmith's songs have reached the top 40 of the Billboard Hot 100 and the band has long been a stalwart of the Mainstream Rock Tracks chart, achieving nine number-one hits on that chart to date. An additional 28 of the band's songs have reached the top 40 on various charts worldwide.
My kids actually love older music and they put me on to vgm and J-pop. Outside of Western 'pop' there is not only Indies but a whole wide world to listen to. This means a truly global audience can be found by even niche bands like The Consouls from the jazz backwater that is Sydney 💖
I went to see Weezer with my son on the weekend and I was shocked at how many teenagers were there. 30th anniversary of the Blue album. The crowd didn't really get the Flaming Lips though...
How were they? I saw as a teen in 2002 (first proper concert without parental accompaniment) and I’m afraid if I see them again it may diminish my experience of them
Saw Metallica live a couple years ago and the crazy thing is that many people brought their kids and even little grandkids... it was like a big family singalong. Three generations all enjoying the show together. I'm sure there is a HUGE difference between Metallica shows in the 1980's vs. 2020's.
One of my favourite concert memories is seeing Jethro Tull in Victoria, BC Canada in about 2007. I looked around the auditorium and saw all ages-most touchingly, kids with their grandparents looking just as excited as they were.
I was listening to music from the 30's, 40's, 50's, 60's and even the 1600's when I was growing up (graduated High School in 1978).
No one force fed the music to me.
Good music is good music.
Agree, I love to listen to classical violin and I've always incorporated into my own playing and writing. However, I'm a "Metal Head!" 🤔🤘🏼
Join the club. I absolutely loved the music of my great grandparents (1910s-1920s western), grandparents (swing, jazz, blues, country, soul) and parents (50's rock, bluegrass, country, music theatre), developing eclectic tastes that traveled back up the generational tree as I in turn introduced my parents to the music that dominated my era. My friends and I listened to albums from all of those genres in the late 70s and into the early 80s. This was in what then was semi-rural Eastern Washington state, so I don't presume it was an unusual journey through music at the time, especially since in the pre-MTV days, we were all watching the same handful of TV stations and listening to the same slightly larger handful of radio stations. If we wanted to control our listening options, the primary means was the multi-generational family collection of albums, since the wages for teens often only allowed about an album a month to be added to your own small collection.
You are a little older than me, but you have to admit some of that music was a lot harder to have access to then, then it was today.
Yeah, I collected vinyl, and bought used CD’s, to hear as much older music as possible.
I listened to all my parents albums before I was old enough to make money and buy my own. Loved the big band sound, Frank Sinatra, etc. Radio provided me with insight into modern music. First AM and then FM. I think moving from physical media to cloud based music has had a big impact on bands longevity.
Louis Armstrong started recording in 1926. He had a Billboard #1 in 1964.
A number four in Ireland in 1994
Hello Dolly? Film
Not sure how high it charted, but I bought the 45 of What A Wonderful World in 1988, from the soundtrack of Good Morning Vietnam. 1926 to 1988 is a nice stretch of people loving his music
He was one of those generational talents that was the exception to prove the rule.
@@Stevanavich725 Along with Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Ella Fitzgerald, Miles Davis... His whole premise is flawed
Jim said something at 12:00 that I've said many times to friends: "We were teenagers in the early 80s. Would we be listening to music from 1942?". I can't count how many times I've said that to people. I think one reason is that music from the 40s had inferior technology and it had lower sound quality (not all, but a lot). Also, the instrumentation was orchestral. Contrast that with 2024 and 1984, where the instrumentation is very similar (in some cases, identical - drums, bass, guitar, vox, keys) and the sound quality pretty much hit close to 100% in the late 1970s onward, making music from 2020 and 1980 indistinguishable to someone who was unfamiliar with that material.
It depends on the musical taste and on the availability. I was a teenager in the early 80s and I was interested in lots of musical styles - everything that sounded interesting and good. I looked through the records of my father and found some classic records which appealed to me. And there were big band records like Benny Goodman, Glen Miller and in between George Gershwin which I really like. At the same time I was introduced to Jethro Tull. And I liked synthesizer music and ABBA (yes). To me the diversity is what makes music interesting. And if you wish you have much more access to lots of different music now (YT, Spotify...). But you need to be interested.
@@reinhard8053 I was digging Benny Goodman in the 80s, too. Charlie Christian on guitar. Great stuff.
My 21 year old daughter loves music from the 80s. Her taste in contemporary music sounds a lot like the 80s to me.
Music no longer had massive evolutionary changes between decades. 1940 - 1980 is not the same as 1980 - 2020. Fewer cultural differences and more nuanced differences in music from 80 - 90, 90 - 2000. What's the difference in music between 2014 and 2024? Hardly any. Its all tapered out.
That was my father's music so it was on in the house. I appreciated it and still enjoy it when I hear it. As he said later "our kids were raised in households with a lot of music around".
I saw The Cure on their tour opener 2yrs ago, and was amazed at the number of younger folks, under 25, that were there. I’m 57 and The Cure was huge while I was in college. I found it really charming watching these kids all dressed up, enjoying the Musi I enjoyed in college and still love.
i saw Morrissey a few months ago and i couldnt agree more. so many kids. some young, barely in their teens. it warmed my heart so much.
I'm 70. In my teens my dad was a fan of big band music and hated rock music. BUT we both loved Chicago with their blend of big band, jazz, and rock.
I'm 62 and I still love Chicago. Fusion rock-jazz band with a brass section. Totally unique.
They also wrote some of the great pop ballads of the 80s. Of course, many of the older/original fans thought they had sold out, which I totally get, but to us Gen-Xers, those songs were the soundtrack to all our slow dances and budding romances.
And I listened to a lot of big band music when I was 20-25 and I didn’t care how old that was
I love Chicago's albums up to X. I absolutely love big band jazz of the 1930s to 1960s. You can also find me listening to 1980s-90s black/doom/thrash/Nwobh metal, followed by Baroque compositions and 2010s albums by lesser known female artists. There's so much great music to enjoy but not enough time.
I took my son to see Rush on the Clockwork Angels tour. He became a good amateur drummer and introduced me to Mastodon and Gojira years later. He adores thrash metal and Pantera and even Ghost. It's kinda wild, some kids are just gonna find their tribe no matter what is currently 'mainstream.'
I immediately thought of Rush when Jim talked about bands adapting to the popular sound of the time. Rush was always Rush, but their sound definitely morphed over the years.
@@Stevanavich725 I'm going to get crucified for this, but Power Windows was the first album where I felt like Rush were on to something special, and then it just disappeared. After watching their documentary it's clear Alex was not very thrilled about the synthesizers, but I honestly feel like his best solos were in that era. His solo on Marathon made me want to start playing guitar. The album version at least.
@@NikoBased i agree. Probably a minority opinion, but their mid-career, synthesizer heavy albums are my favorites.
@@NikoBased This is a non-crucifixion zone. My first Rush album was Signals and first concert was the Grace Under Pressure tour. // If it sounds good, it IS good! //
Wearing a Mastodon t-shirt as I'm reading your comment. 😉
I am 70 and my grandson is 16. He got into music primarily through Spotify and vinyl. He listened to HipHop. After hearing a song that sampled King Crimson I played him the original. He was intrigued and started listening to older music that I listen to.
King Crimson is a great band to share. They were ahead of the curve in 1969, and still are.
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Hip hop cannot begin to approach the power of rock and roll at its heyday.
Was it Power by Kanye West?
I do this with my students and they are taken aback every time. Often they become big fans of the groups I have them listen to.
I saw U2 at the Rainbow in Denver in 1981 during their "Boy" tour when "I Will Follow" was getting college radio play. It was a Tuesday $6 ticket special, maybe 80 people there. Bono called everyone to gather towards the front of the stage. I bought a Boss Delay pedal the next day.
I regret missing that show.
The Rainbow Music Hall....near the intersection of Evans and Monaco. What a great venue, apparently a converted multi-screen movie theater. Lots of great shows there over pretty much the entire 80's with a bit of overlap to the late 70's, including The Police (1979 and 1980) and R.E.M (both 1983 and 1984)--two other bands discussed here. The building was partially demolished/remodeled some time after the last show there, and it now makes up part of a Walgreens pharmacy.
@@aljustal6554 Now it's a Walgreens and something else. A really big Walgreens.
Great venue. By the time they came back they were filming at Red Rocks.
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I just saw Iron Maiden in concert last night. I first saw them in 1984. In 1984, it would have been inconceivable to me if somebody told me I was going to see this exact same band performing new material 40 years in the future. I liked the Stones and Sabbath as a teenager in the 80s but I perceived them as ancient and they were only in their late-30s. I figured Maiden would be around for ten more years and that would be it. My life as a metal fan would be over by age 25. Yet I went to a metal concert in 2024 at the age of 55 and enjoyed it as much as I did 40 years ago. And it wasn’t nostalgia. It’s a love for this music that has never gone away.
A band that deserves mention here is The Bee Gees, incredible songwriters and singers who had hits in four different decades. You go from To Love Somebody to How Can You Mend A Broken Heart to Stayin Alive to Islands In The Stream.
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That's exactly who I was thinking of when I saw this topic. I saw a video recently that mentioned the Bee Gees as a "disco group." But they had an entire successful pop music career better than most of their contemporaries before the disco era even started, then went on perform some of the best and most memorable disco hits too.
@@MountainCry The Bee Gees always considered themselves as songwriters first. They adapted.
The subject of the video is if fans followed artists throughout their careers, if fans "grew" with the artists, and how artists adapted. I doubt but I really don't know if the 'Odessia' audience would have stuck around for SNF because Nights On Broadway and Jive Talkin' signaled major shifts with them, not just one offs. Likewise, will our newer audience members care about 'Holiday', etc?
@@jonnuanez7183 You mean "Odessa." Good point.
I’m 72, and have turned my 18 year old granddaughter on to lots of my favorite bands from the 60s up to the 90s. She has shared her current favorites with me, and we both are richer for it. She’s found a lot to like in groups that most of her peers have never heard of.
Your music is timeless, in my opinion. You’re my dad’s age and I love that music.
exactly ! and to be fair to cultural traditions YOU ARE DOIN THE RIGHT THING! FUCK THIS WESTERN AMERIKKAN CORPORATE Business MACHINE layout /templates -EXAMPLE- all across Africa(as well as India) music is shared and appreciated with the older Gen and the new Gen on the same listen playing field! exactly the way you and your child are doing it! I applaud you for it!👏
also we have to keep in mind of the social political perspective of when the punk rock movement changed the Rules in a generation.
I share a playlist on Spotify with two of my grandkids. I am richer for it
@@waynereed9912 I go through new music on Spotify every week. Hard to find the good stuff, but it is there. It gets easier, as Spotify learns my tastes and recommends new music to me. Always enjoyed listening to a new song for the first time. Most of the new music I love, doesn't chart, but sometimes it does well.
@@stealthyBLK Thank you. This is a largely white phenomenon they are discussing. In American Black communities people tend to appreciate music throughout their lives.
This might be one of the top Beato segments ever for me. Tight and concise analysis by 2 very knowledgeable people. Mountains of info in just 14 minutes. Outstanding!
Cheers from Canada!
Only I don't think their analysis holds water. The charts are full of artists who started their careers twenty, thirty, even almost forty years ago (Kylie Minogue is probably the most extreme example; she's been producing top-ten hits regularly since 1987, most recently in 2023). Minogue and similar acts are not exactly the kind of music I like or listen to either, but confidently denying the facts doesn't a top segment make.
What a great topic. I wish this was 30 minutes longer.
Agree. Wish they had gone on for another 14 minutes and gone off on as many tangents as they wanted.
@@thomasluby1754 yep
4:30 -- you can tell from Rick's hands and eyes how much this subject means to him. Love you for that Rick ...
Don't forget Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers hit it big the 70's, and most hits were in the 80's with the biggest hits in the 90s. They still had small commercial hits in the 2000's and Mojo in 2010 is a banger!
I never realized this point you make until I saw the documentary Runnin Down a Dream. Holy crap they had a lot of hit songs. They got tons of air play in the radio era.
ABBA is one of my favorite groups, and I am currently in my 20s. I think if an artist is good, their music will be relevant and around for a long time.
absolutely!!
Yes. A good song can take you back to a certain time, but a great song is great forever
ABBA?😹
@@Nevernow721 ABBA are amazing.
bingo. especially after the music is disassociated from the trends. when abba was current, it was SUPER uncool. years later cool doesn't matter and it's just about the music.
This is a product of quality recording. The teenager spirit of the 70s, 80s and 90s lives on because it was recorded "well", or cleanly enough. When you get to older records, there is a grittiness that modern listeners are not ready to endure.
So, if a new act dusted off that material, and put it out with modern recording technology, how would it do?
@@jimthain8777 Not sure about all the music from 80 years ago, but Sing, Sing, Sing With A Swing had quite a revival in the 1990's. I think young people would quickly tire of that kind of music if that's all the newer groups were coming out with, but they would appreciate an occasional song from that era if the sound quality was good.
The magical thing about music is that there's so much of it that you will never run out of things to discover. I neatly fit in that mid-40s category where contemporary music is just not for me anymore, but there were so many artists and bands from my teens and early 20s that I keep finding and falling in love with that I'm quite certain I will never run out of "new" music to listen to.
I like discovering musicians from other cultures and countries. It was actually Eurovision that made me think that there should be an Asianvision, Africanvision, Amerucanvision and a Oceaniavision. All you have to do is type in TH-cam songs from... Insert the name of the country that you want to discover. I have discovered the handpan instrument this way. You can also type in music from any genre this way too
@@anngulliver5964 They made an _attempt_ at doing an "American Song Contest" (as in US states, not countries across the continent(s)...) but it just didn't have the vibes at all! - I think having what genuinely feels like "separate teams" is a big part of the sauce (even if a random Swede got hired to write the song anyway lol). It was basically just another bad american competition show, with songs that were all "mediocre versions of what you might hear on the radio". While in Eurovision, at worst you will at least get some mediocre radio songs you might hear _in a different country_ !
But of course Eurovision isn't all mediocre but usually some "high highs and low lows" and I think it's down to just having less fear of being silly, trying weird stuff and "committing to the bit" instead of everything having to be overproduced and "safe"
I'm Duran Duran fan since 1984 and still i'm..duranies are so many around the world and they still give their fun a lot of material and live concert...and the secret for me is they've never been the through decades ..improving
I know it's probably not up your alley Rick, but would absolutely love an interview with Bruce Hornsby! He's such a musical icon of mine and with his connection to the Grateful Dead I thought he deserves a Rick Beato interview! Please make it happen!
That would be amazing.
Great suggestion - I think he'd be an interesting interviewee. Isn't he the only Grateful Dead keyboardist to survive (apart from the one who wasn't a full member and left in the '60s)?
Hornsby is fantastic, and I would love to hear what he would have to say in an interview with Beato. I don't know if I've ever even heard any of the Dead shows shows that he was a part of, but regardless, I love his solo stuff. I mean, I love the Dead, too.
Love that attitude that sometimes music just isn't for you. Music is not often ubiquitous, and it's not universally good or bad. It appeals to a lot of people sometimes, and sometimes it appeals to only a few, but it's still music, and it's still wonderful when you find it and you like it. Hating on music you don't like is like hating on people you don't like. There's an endless supply of both, and you'll never rid the world of either, so you're just wasting your life.
Yah I don’t on mine if I don’t like but there’s a difference between that and why older music became timeless classics and they many ppl feel todays music won’t (with rare exceptions). Today’s generation just relies heavily on sampling..
@@jobrothberg4679 Kind of a stretch to somehow see what I said as correlating not liking with hating.
Well put!
I think it’s the difference between classical music and folk music….or commissioned music and non commissioned (spontaneous)….commissioned music is basically court music… it is the industry….non commissioned is basically folk music….
I mean you can go to a restaurant and hear a great musician set just the right tone and never remember them or their songs….but you can’t avoid Taylor Swift…whether you like her songs or not
No mention of Pink Floyd ??? 1967-1994 What a freaking run !!! (
There’s such a massive range of music available just on your cell phone now. I take three kids to choir practice all aged 10, they wanted the Beatles, Taylor Swift and Nirvana played during the journey! Awesome ☺️
But only The Beatles in that group is any good...I think they were just rattling off names they knew because what they knew was limited...I can't stand the other two.
I’m an original artist for the last 20 years and still going without any mainstream success. This is exactly what I needed to hear. Thank you Rick
Respect to the grind.
@@themadmallard respect to any musician these days!
Mississippi John Hurt made his breakthrough at 70.
Rick is awesome. Glad he’s getting very popular
@@strategery101 well deserved for sure!
My dad was born in 1926 and I was born in 1968. I was that one oddball in 1980 that was listening to the music of the 40s, the 80s, and everything in between.
What an awesome conversation. I’ve often wondered why older music is so popular with today’s youth. When I was a teenager we didn’t even dabble too much outside of whatever genre we affiliated with. Today those barriers are down, including with me. And there is good music being made.
U2 was popular with college crowd around 80 and were getting air play on college radio. I saw them in a small joint (Stage West) in West Hartford CT in Dec 1981. Prob 80-100 people tops. Stood about 5ft from the Edge the whole show. Great memory and fun story to tell. Stage West was a fun place. Joe Jackson, Missing Persons, Plasmatics all came through.
College radio was the best back then. Loved the "album-oriented" stations. Play an entire LP A or B side uninterrupted .
@@NVRAMboi Agree. College Radio was great. Even some of the more progressive FM stations. Early 80's University of Windsor - I remember my older brother got turned on to Supertramp.
You weren't at UH at the time, by chance, were you?
@mike_f That's early for U2. I was in Boston from '77 to '81 and again from '83 to '93. The best rock and roll station I ever listened to was WBCN in Boston. In late 84, WBCN kept playing these two songs that I learned were called "Pride" and a live version of "Bad" by some band called U2. That's when I became a fan.
Only saw U2 once live at the Worcester Centrum in May of '87. Unreal experience! Was a huge fan for about 25 years and then faded out. But right now, I'm so turned off to U2 because of Bono's politics. I saw a video that he recorded last December at our National Cathedral in DC to push a book he wrote and all he did was talk politics. Sitting in a church, trying to sell a book, talking politics; it just seemed so wrong.
That's my U2 story. Probably still have 5 to 6 cassette tapes and one or two CDs of theirs.
@@thomasluby1754 my older brother was up in Boston same time as you and was feeding me all the stuff he was listening to at the time. I remember going to several shows at the Orpheum back then. Ramones, Elvis Costello. Also managed to see Bo Diddly open for the Clash somewhere else {Cambridge maybe). Yeah, BCN was different back then too for sure.
I was a kid in the 80's. My dad had Benny Goodman, and Glenn miller cassette tapes. I loved them, but I also loved his CCR and beach boys too.
Best line of the entire chat was at the end....(paraphrasing) "If you are over 40 and you don't understand the music kids are listening to today, that's because it is not for you." Love it!
This argument doesn’t always work tho. Generally it does, but not always. It’s like the ppl justifying some of the poorly done Disney live action remakes because “it’s for kids..not for your generation” line that’s no excuse to do they did with Mulan 2020.
YES things change but as long as it’s not changing for the worse.
We will see of today’s music will still be celebrated 40 yrs from now. There maybe some gems like Adele and Bruno Mars..
In 50 and discovered The Warning and I listen to Dream Theater, KISS, Sevendust, Alter Bridge, Winger and Mr. Big… soooooo?
What kids? Some are into metal, others into rap... kids from gen Z are not a monolith, they listen to a variety of genres. I'm millennial and there is plenty of new music that I love and plenty of new music I don't understand. It's almost like there are so many types of music nowadays that anyone could find what they like./s
I don't see how they could design music specifically not to appeal to someone over 40. I suspect it is more a case that when we're young we are more open to new things. Although even when I was younger there were styles that just didn't take.
@@lessismore8533well that’s just a quality of work discussion. As you said, generally, OP’s point stands and that’s really about it
What a great topic and conversation. As a middle age guy I’ve lately been listening to streaming services “new rock” channels and was actually pleasantly surprised by the content. Good new music is out there, it just has to be searched as radio promotion isn’t there.
I always love these conversations. Lots to think about. The wide availability of Pop Music's back catalog from digital sources, plus the lower quality of much of today's music, makes me think that's what draws young people to older music.
I’m a few years younger than Rick, born in 1966. My dad was in a band when I was born and gigged around LA. He played a lot of records he liked for me. Until a certain age most music I knew came through my dad. He would play “oldies” which in the early 70s meant music from the 50s. He also played a lot of top 40 and country. We always watched Hee Haw on weekends. When I was older he would take me to shows. He took me to see the Everly Brothers and Jan and Dean and would go see artists like Jerry Lee Lewis or others from that era. He bought me 45s that I was interested in when they came out; Smoke on the Water, Black Dog, Old Days, Fox on the Run. He was really into CCR and the Eagles and those were the first 2 bands we “shared” in terms of claiming bands as “our own” but my affinity was toward the harder edge stuff as it became more popular. He continued to like the Eagles but would later claim he didn’t go for their more edgier songs that I really liked. We moved from LA to near San Diego in 1976. McCartney’s Venus and Mars and Speed of Sound were really big at the time. My parents had just purchased our new house when we were driving back to LA from SD and I heard a song my dad would never had played for me by a band I could not identify. Lots of energy, hooky chorus and blistering guitar solo. The DJ never identified the song or the band before going to commercial so I listed to that radio station every day until they played that song again. Finally after a week or so they did. It was KISS Rock n Roll All Nite from Alive. I wasn’t quite 10 but I remember seeing KISS records at the store so I got my mom to take me to the store so I could buy that album. That was the first album I bought with my own money. The first album I bought was Who By Numbers the year before that, but my mom gave money to go with our neighbors to a record store. This was when I started to find “my” era of music that was different from my parents. After we moved again, this time to the SF area the first thing I did was set up my drums and started playing along with KISS Alive and 2 older guys busted into my room saying they needed a drummer then realized I was a few years younger but it didn’t matter. They gave me records to listen to that included Black Sabbath, Ted Nugent (who I had heard of but not listened to), Skynyrd and a trio from Canada called Rush. I had completely diverged from my dad’s influence starting down my own path. I don’t have kids myself so I haven’t had the same kind of influence on younger people as others. But I agree to degree that something from the 40s would not have caught my ear. My drum teacher got me and my parents tickets to a Buddy Rich and Louie Bellson show in 1977 that got me interested in jazz for the first time. Buddy and Louie were more from the 50s than the 40s so that’s probably the earliest music I would have listened to when I was 10 or so but mostly listened to new music at that age. I am often surprised that much of the music from that era continues to be some of the more higher selling catalogs in this day and age. We grew up during a special time.
I’m surprised you guys didn’t mention Rush who never tried to write a hit and lived on the fringes of popular music and ultimately had a 40 year career.
The last two times that I saw RUSH I saw many families of three generations there including men in their 70s. The fact that they never swore or cursed had to be a factor behind it besides their limitless talent and excellence. I saw them almost every tour from 1981 until the end. Neil was a great person who will always be missed.
@@uprebel5150I only saw them for Grace Under Pressure, but loved them as a teen and I love them still. They were the thinking man’s band, which is why they didn’t try too hard, curse (Except for that time on Trailer Park Boys and in a few interviews)or do wild or illegal stuff to get attention.
Well, there was that time with Alex Lifeson in Florida but aside from that….
One of my favorite things to do is watch reactions from young TH-cam creators, as they discover music from the rock era, Rush among them. I love seeing their eyes light up in amazement and I think, “I have hope for the future!”
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I'm laughing because I think this guy just wrote his life story. I skimmed what he wrote and then I hit the "Read more" button because I wanted to see how much he wrote and when I did, I just started laughing. Looks like he has a lot to say. Sorry I didn't read most of it, but I hope it made him feel good to write it.
@@thomasluby1754 Is there a word limit on posts?
He had some good stories to tell, as opposed to your reply.
Bro switch to decaf, us old people cant read all that.
RUSH had new young listeners and concert goers for each decade that they still played! Great music and fans that love to pass down great music to their young children and it keeps going, until they quit and other sad things.
That was one of the most loyal fanbases ever imo.
Rush did change through the decades (a little) though too. Moving Pictures compared to Snakes N Arrows. Huge difference, but I agree the fan base was always there for them!!
My son is 25 and a musician. He began 5 years ago on Beatles, Elton, Billy Joel and a few others from that period. He now plays contemporary Indie but still listens and plays songs from the 70’s forward. I think Rick was onto something when he mentioned Spotify. Kids can get exposed to music not knowing or caring when it was made. I notice my son doesn’t care what year a song came out, doesn’t care what the artist looks like or what his life story is. And he’s not into albums, just songs. And a good song is a good song.
This is such an important observation. 👍🏼 Remember when there were Oldies and Oldies Stations? And teens of the 60’s - 80’s wouldn’t touch Oldies with a ten foot pole. It was always the here and now and what was new that was popular and spread among young people (Sure, you still had cliques that liked outlier genres). But buying an album was an investment and a statement of your preferences or an acknowledgment of what was popular at the time. And when you discovered your genre you kinda stuck to it with your purchasing habits.
But, what do young to middle aged adults listen to now? TH-cam & Spotify playlists that are a strange mix of recent hits and what we would have considered Oldies back in our day. Why? Listening habits have changed. Music is a “consumable” now and not necessarily an investment in a preferred music style. What people would have considered Oldies today is mixed in with the latest hits on the radio, TH-cam, or TikTok. Music is very homogeneous today.
True once a kid picks up an instrument he gonna dsicover many of the bands of the 60's 70's and 80's
I believe he is an anomaly
Your son’s a solid dude. Personally, Idgaf what was behind the making of a song. If it’s a good song, it’s a good song.
When we were kids - talking to people born anywhere from the 50's to the 70's there was a big social idea of the Generation Gap. I think the 'youngins' don't have that concept at all decreeing what they should or shouldn't like. Thinks are less monolithic now than they were. Now seems like everything consumable is tailored to what an individual likes.
I was a teenager in the 80s and I did listen to music from the 50s to the 80s. I discovered Elvis, The Beatles, The Stones, The Animals and Eric Burdon, Cream, Led Zeppelin, Police, Metallica, Fleetwood Mac.... but lots of these bands were still making music and so there was a lot to discover. Everything 40s was really old back then but that has to do with the style of that music, the pre WWII world without Rock 'n' Roll and all that. Elvis and The Beatles did change a lot how music was turning towards being more timeless for decades.
This is a really great topic and It is something that could be talked about for hours. Great video!
I think a big factor in the persistent relevance of some older acts is due to the accessibility of music via streaming platforms. To have an encyclopedic library of the last 50 years of music on hand on vinyl or even CD would be astronomically expensive and take up a huge amount of physical space, not to mention the time involved in cataloging or locating a specific album or artist. But for the last 15+ years for a nominal fee per month we have *all* the music at our finger tips just a keystroke away. So whether you want to listen to AC/DC's Hells Bells or something topping the 2024 pop charts, it's all immediately available from your couch. So I think in many ways that has acted as a bridge between music eras. It seems to me that as a kid if you had to choose between buying a 40 year old record and something of the moment, you'd probably choose the latter, but today the music consumer doesn't have to make that choice.
I think it's a good point. And I think the industry recognizes there is no return. Hence the investment of tens or hundreds of millions of dollars to own the rights to songs of everyone from Bob Dylan to Journey to Twisted Sister. We're never going to have these mainstream cultures again, in the view of the investors anyway.
I agree. Apple music gives me lots of unknown artists (unknown to me) for experimenting. Far less expensive than buying a compact disk, playing it once then tossing it into my CD box.
No, you don't have all the music at your finger tips. I have a bunch of vinyl that is not available on any streaming media. Artists themselves are starting to say no - try and get a Neil Young song on Spotify. And even if available, the media moguls in charge are now serving up "enhanced" copies of tracks, to make them them more palatable to the autotune generation. Yup, the're even retuning the harmonics of the BeeGees to be more down with the kids.
And don't believe the "all the music" thing will last forever. You only have to look at the video streaming industry. It used to be that you would get "everything" from Netflix, or Amazon Prime. Now the market is hugely fragmented, if you are interested in a new sitcom or drama then you have to fork out for a subscription to the Disney Channel, or Apple TV, or any one of all the others. Music streaming will go the same way. Sony have just bought the Pink Floyd back catalog, and have other big names on their books. How long before they stop Spotify streaming their bands and set up their own - for a fee - streaming app. Spotify's business model will fall apart when this happens. Then, where is all your music?
Rick been watching your interviews & other videos religiously. You have such a great vibe! Full of passion, love, knowledge & the utmost respect for artists, especially the greats. Much love!!
Remember when we were kids, Rick? Many, many famous acts covered other people's popular songs in concerts. And variety shows dominated prime-time TV, and singers routinely performed popular songs of the day, that were not their records.
That's still quite popular, both in concert and even more so on TH-cam. It's a great way for a band to connect their fans with music from the band's influences. Disturbed's cover of Simon and Garfunkel's The Sound of Silence is one of many great examples.
It's become incredibly rare for covers to be hits. Way more rare than it used to be. And when they happen, its almost always a song originally written before about 2000. This used to not be the case at all. Successful covers used to not have to reach that far back.
@@EF-fc4dunot true at all. A cover song is one of the biggest tracks in the country right now. It’s a cover of Fast Car. Rick even talks about it.
This is still very common.
@@Keepingyoung One example is not a refutation of rarity. Here are 20 major hits from 1980-1984 that were all major hits:
Blondie - “The Tide Is High”
Toni Basil - “Mickey”
Bow Wow Wow - “I Want Candy”
Laura Branigan - “Gloria”
Soft Cell: Tainted Love
Joan Jett And The Blackhearts: I Love Rock And Roll
Quiet Riot: Cum on Feel the Noize
Cindy Lauper: Girls Just Want to Have Fun
Kim Carnes: Bette Davis Eyes
Phil Collins: You Can't Hurry Love
Dionne Warwick et al. - That's What Friends Are For
Naked Eyes - Always Something There to Remind Me
Taco - Puttin' On The Ritz
David Bowie - China Girl
They Honeydrippers - Sea Of Love
Juice Newton - Angel of the Morning
Van Halen - Pretty Woman
Hall and Oates - You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin'
Chaka Khan - I Feel For You
Pat Benetar - You Better Run
Can you name 20 equally successful covers from 2020-2024?
Rush really lasted and did it with multiple generations while not conforming to radio/social trends.
My favorite band since Fly By Night, but their first mainstream hit was Limelight in 1981 and last was Nobody's Hero in 1994 so sort of a different animal in terms of single sales.
The digital age has shed timelines. With instant access to the entire earthly music library, the “when” doesn’t matter any more. The “good” does. And that’s awesome.
The internet has opened the music catalog in both time and space. Music in the U.s. usually came from artists in the U.S., Europe and Canada, but now artists from all over the world can pop up in people's music lists.
recorded music was a phenomenon that appealed to adults in the early part of the 20th century.... popular music divided into adult and teen flavors in the late 40's / early 50's. the teen flavor is what you're talking about, but there was always music for adults since recording started. i am 70 - i personally listen to music written and produced by small indie bands on Spotify almost exclusively. there is SO MUCH great music being made out of the mainstream... it's the mainstream that has become irrelevant. The thing that disturbs me is that hardly anyone actively seeks out music that is currently being made, and there is SO MUCH.
The radio prior to late 1990s made it very easy to promote and find musical talent and art, musically 🤔... Search for something that should be easily accessible ( 😏😉 let's face it, human beings are lazy) ☝️...and mainstream media hiding or in some cases burying new talented poets, where it would NOT profit " the industry"... As it is currently instituted..😉
There was something very very unique about the 60s/70s rock era. It has the feel of being very “edgy” and exciting. A unique time. Thats why it lasts with other generations
@@strategery101 i just don't see it being any more edgy or exciting than King Oliver, Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Count Basie, Benny Goodman, Artie Shaw, Cab Calloway, Glen Miller, Harry James, Tommy Dorsey, Shostakovich, Bartok, Schoenberg, Ella Fitzgerald, Bessie Smith, Billie Holiday, Dinah Washington, Lena Horne, Etta James.... some of the most amazing songwriters, the birth of Jazz, the birth of rock.... ALL of what i wrote above was thirty years of evolution creating music the likes of which had never been heard before which has continued to the present day.
It is though. My proof? Kids today wear shirts of those bands. They don’t of earlier artists. And the kids of the 70s don’t care really about artists from 20 years before
Btw not saying the artists you mentioned were not great. They were
I truly enjoy music. This channel gives me what I lack, and that is a perspective of music that I never think of. The history discussed in this vid, is something I would never have thought of. Never the less, it adds to my perspective. Along with his knowledge of the industry and it's players, this is why Rick is so successful.
There's something wrong here. Artists do last; audiences don't. Popularity doesn't mean the music will be worth listening to after they're gone.
The newer bands today don’t last long compared to the older bands. You have social media like TH-cam to blame for that.
@@mikerudolph2419but you say that in the present to how do you know what bands will still be loved in 20 years. You don't.
I'm a contemporary of Rick and Jim and like them, I never listened to music from 1942 in the early '80s. But, because of Spotify and other ways music of the past is accessible, music has become just music, particularly as it's all remastered whereas back in the day, you either had to buy it or hear it on the radio. In other words, you consumed music that was current or past music that you read about, heard or were recommended. It tended to be music that meant something to your life and other people's lives at that time. Now, there is no centralised or dominant music-listening culture. People can be listening to The Beatles one minute, Sabrina Carpenter or Billie Eilish the next and after that, who knows, Frank Sinatra?
Hard agree. Rick could have worded this in terms of why don’t audiences last not the artist.
Excelente
There’s a band that no longer have their lead singer but are still touring & have loads of young people seeing them sometimes with their parents who loved the band with that original singer & that is ….Queen.
Also Journey.
No mention of Pink Floyd ??? 1967-1994 What a freaking run !!! (
My granddaughter has been taking lessons in guitar and keyboards for several years now. I've introduced her to a lot of my favorite artists from the 60's-90's era and she really loves them. She especially likes Fleetwood Mac and David Bowie.
I was once told by someone, in 1989, who truly knows about music: "There is no such thing as bad music; it's just not to your taste".....I would add a caveat, which I have hopefully taught my kids, and that's to appreciate and respect the historical journeys, and connections, that have led to the music they enjoy and love....This was a great video...
What about: "There is no such thing as bad cooking; it's just not to your taste" ?
I went to The Smashing Pumpkins recent tour in London and there were so many young people there. Absolutely loads of em. Great to see - experiencing what we experienced all those years ago.
Iron Maiden is another example; still selling out big arenas, still doing million dollar production shows, still have a huge fan base, yet if they put out a new album today it would hardly get the attention of radio. Then again, radio has always had a death wish for anything metal or progressive.
Does radio even matter that much anymore? Senjutsu had that one single that sounded like 70s Journey played over and over on the FM rock radio stations around here, and similarly singles from the last few Priest albums.
As a rocker and metalhead I don't know why I should really even listen to FM radio. I mostly do when driving but I almost never hear anything that catches my fancy, a few new songs, then the top 2 hits of established bands, and selected 20 songs of Metallica. I would rather listen to an internet radio where I might hear something that catches my ear and really grabs me like Girish and the Chronicles, or a track from Robert Mason era Warrant.
Seeing as I have nobody to share the experience of "hey did you hear that on the radio" now because nobody listens to it actively and on purpose, and the song selections are mostly very limited and unimaginative, the radio just seems like ad infested background music of mostly dubious quality, the main saving grace of is that it comes from a source which can easily be switched on.
@@erozC Radio had its time, but yeah, down-streaming services are the better option today. I use Spotify to find the music I like and I often run into some good music from artists I've never heard of.
There was a time radio was your guiding light for anything new, but those days are long gone as they've all sold-out to the corporate machine. They just don't care about real music anymore, as it's all about ad revenue.
I live in the small town of Bend, Oregon. Every now and then I'll dial through the radio out of curiosity. There's only one rock station, and as you can guess, it's all Classic Rock. I say, thank goodness for down-streaming services.
Metal seems to be finding young people, or vice versa. Cool to see teenagers at Maiden, at Morbid Angel, etc
you mean THE Iron Maiden, Brit metal band that treats renting semi trailers as if they're made of GOLD?
So instead of renting ONE MORE TRAILER, they force stage hands to SQUEEZE 1-1/2 trucks worth of HUGE, HEAVY PA SPEAKERS into one single truck?
3 high - every bit as heavy and unsafe as that sounds - instead of the N American standard of 2 high, with a foot left overhead?
By the end, we were just THROWING the G-damn things on their face, gritting teeth and lifting those heavy assed cabs to 3-up - roadie got short with us... we just looked at him and laughed.
Those cheap bas****ds?
3 hours of my life I'll never get back. Not worth it. Dangerous, and hands around is loaded truck after truck as we STRUGGLED to accommodate this non-standard load. Cake walk otherwise.
Their chief roadie needs to "jump into the 1990s" or retire, imo. This aint London, folks, and it aint brain surgery.
People seem to forget (or they're too young to remember) Iron Maiden almost disappeared in the '90s due to grunge music killing the metal business. We kept Maiden alive for example in Spain, where they weren't just playing small venues, they played at really small villages hired for local public holiday celebrations and stuff.
Great discussion. I will soon be 68 and for me, I feel that the majority of new music today is bad and doesn't appeal to me. And Jim makes a good point that the music today isn't created for me. The good thing is that I am going back to older music that I ignored or didn't like at the time it was released and find I enjoy it today.
Interesting discussion. I'd like to hear you two discuss the longevity of musicians in other genres, like country, jazz, classical, etc. Shawn R., Mo-Mutt Music/Sacred & Secular
I have sons from 13 to 35. I think the reason that kids look back to the late 60’s forward, is that there is a dearth of music or specifically rock heroes today. There are some, but the door is wide open for the the old full-strength examples. My boys listen to and enjoy rock from then to what’s going on up to the minute. It’s all in play.
Yep, I think that the kids today see the same things in the old stuff that Gen X did. My parents are Boomers and so I heard a lot of music from the '50s through the mid-70s when they were around. I also heard more recent stuff, but it doesn't seem weird to me at all to listen to older music, good music, the really good stuff, has a way of remaining worth listening to well past the era during which it was written. It's just that it's only been in recent decades when there was the kind of access we have now to older music.
We were at a party recently and the hostess’s daughter (college age) was playing music from my era (70’s) and I asked her “Did your mom tell you to play this ? And after she said no I asked her “You mean you LIKE this stuff?”
Then we all started talking about bands and music in general and she related how a lot of 70’s rock is actually popular among college age kids.
I’m still shocked by it. Lol
you're right. I know 20smthgs who regularly listen to 70s 80's 90's. to them it's a whole different thing cuz they can just look up music they like ie Abba and treat it like it's new. which is awesome!
A lot of 70's music has found it's way on to Marvel films so I am not that surprised.
I'm 24 and I can't t understand people that don't like what they call "old" music. Good music is good music so it doesn't matter if it's from 1956 or 2017.
@@Richardkv2112 They still don't have independence in their music choice and are still subject to the hive mind of their group. In a few years, they'll be more independentand branch out to their personal choice, and won't have the need to go along with the group.
@@cheery-hex funnily enough as a 26 year old, I had the urge the other day to listen to this Byrds documentary I found on TH-cam and it got me in a real 60’s mood, so I went around in my car the very next day blasting the Byrds and Jefferson Airplane. It can happen THAT quick!!! Mind you I’ve always liked 60’s music for a while now and have had a few of the Byrds’ hits downloaded, but all it took was a quick documentary to reignite my interested in a few psychedelic rock bands from that decade and I was off! this morning was the first time I finally played Mr Tambourine Man in its entirety and it rocked. I think it’s neat that stuff like that can happen nowadays.
I've been a cover rock musician almost my entire life, (I'm 65 now, but I do have a couple albums under my belt). In order to be relevant, you had to change with the times. Now at 65, I don't feel like I have to be relevant. People come listen just to enjoy the music no matter what age. I grew up as a trumpet player in the late 60's and 70's, (focusing on Jazz and Big Band music), and I was always listening to older music. Mostly because I was taught the complexity of music from earlier times and not just 3 - 4 chord songs with catchy lyrics. But at some time in the mid 70's, the bass guitar started to drag me in to the R n R style of music.
As a boomer Im proud that my generation made so much great music. The great news is that most of it is still available and anyone who loves music can still enjoy it.
I’m 24 about to be 25, over the last three years all I listen to is Pearl Jam. Parents liked them in the 90s but never played albums. Discovered essentially their catalogue on my own. Along with AIC, STP, and Soundgarden.
Good music from any era, plus a technically well executed recording and mix, makes a track timelessly enjoyable. We've never had that combination before arguably the mid 1960s. This is all new territory.
My 2 favorite bands to this day are R.E.M. and U2. They DEFINITELY had crossover fans. It’s what all my friends in middle and high school listened to. And I don’t think the average U2 fan was necessarily 20 in 1980. You were 20. I was 10. I really got into them in 1983 with War. There were definitely fans that were younger.
I was the same exact way. I got hooked on U2 at 13 in 1983.
U2 was extremely popular in my high school during those early 80s years - not just college aged kids. I guess it's only 4 yrs difference but it feels like more from 15 to 19
I love Jim’s take in the very end of the video, generation doesn’t care about what we think about it. It’s just there, we can’t deny it’s happen
Two older geezers (like me) riffing on the state of the music industry....love it!
"Classic rock is not only classic, it also rocks". I love sending my 13 year old grandson TH-cam videos of music I grew up with from the 60's and 70's. He really liked the "Hang on Sloopy" video with the girl dancing and many others.
Golden Earring...
1961-2021.
60 YEARS.
SIX DECADES
And would still be going if the guitar player hadn't become sick enough to not play as well as he wants to.
GREAT BAND!
Rick Derringer FTW
I'm 68 and a solo piano player/vocalist. I had a brief 5 year span in my late 20s and early 30s when I was able to financially support myself and my ex wife with the gigs I was able to secure. For as brief as it was, I far exceeded most of the musical peers that I grew up with in terms of financial success. I have not been able to match that run since. It's a tough biz.
You went for it and that’s something to be proud of. In my 20’s I had the opportunity to roll the dice on a career in music but I chickened out and built a different, safer career. I settled for once, twice a month gigs in barrooms. Kind of regret would could have been but am still rockin in joints and lovin every minute of it!
Now you sing the blues 😂
Sometimes it’s good to let the guest finish a thought. We already know what Rick thinks about many bands. He brought up the subject of the Chili Peppers to the guest… the guest was about to explain why he didn’t like like them after giving Flea a compliment, and Rick cut it right off. I’ll bet that I would have found the answer interesting.
Editing
Yes, yes and yes!
Would've liked that fleshed out. It's interesting, I'm a moderate fan and recognize that they are very gifted as players. I've seen many performances but none that have been all that good, to me anyway
I grew up in the ‘60s and was surrounded by all kinds of music. In my teens I was in a rock band, but listened to classical, Big Band, Jazz, Folk, you name it. I also discovered Edith Piaf, Middle Eastern, Japanese and Indian music. If it’s good music I listened to it and I’m still on a journey of discovery.
I see two
main things at play with music. Music as an art form and music as a way to connect with other people. As an art form you can whip out all sorts of metrics to analyze and appreciate the song. As a means to connect people it’s less about the song than the people. A musician may be frustrated that 100,000 people got together to listen to substandard arrangements, sure. But, my word, 100, 000 people got together. At that point, just sit back and appreciate the raw power. See the masses. That’s the soul of music. People.
Pink Floyd 67 to 94. 27 years of steady fantastic albums. Still see lots of teenagers around wearing Floyd shirts.
I remember joking with friends in 90 that you could not go more than 1 hr listening to the radio without hearing Floyd.
And David Gilmour's new album hit #1 and is pretty phenomenal, imo.
Pink Floyd sold music rights to Sony for $400mn
Yeah, but I see teens wearing AC/DC, The Doors, Def Leppard and Ice Cube shirts too and I’ll say something to them like “nice shirt. You like them?” And literally none of them could name a song. They all buy these shirts at Target or Hot Topic. And Hot Topic sells a ton of Pink Floyd shirts.
@@sdrc92126you could in uk. You could go years not hearing any pink floyd.
David Bowie could have been mentioned here.
You just did!
SHOULD have been. seminal artist who took unexpected turns, wasn't afraid to "go big" and theatrical OR bring it back to small and personal... incredible dynamic range. outstanding choice in subject matter and excellent taste in phrasing, timing, tone, etc.
Very true. Many others too. Tom Perry. Aerosmith. Metallica
Petty
Have you ever seen the short video from his many personalities through the 40 years of his performances and records? Amazing how many diverse figures and styles he played.
3:00 i saw the smashing pumpkins in January '97, went to the concession stand to get a beer, dude said we aren't selling beer,i said why not, he said look around you and i realized the crowd was all teenagers. I felt so old. And now it's this many years later
That reminds me of seeing a Howard Jones concert with my girlfriend at the time. We were both in our early twenties and were the "old" people in the audience; most of which appeared to be girls around 13-15 years old.
This is one of the most remarkable commentaries anywhere. Note when Mr. Barber says that today's pop music is not made for people of other generations. I believe that, and that explains a WHOLE lot. This is the most underrated comment probably in the whole interview.
Great video as always - thank for continuing to cover every conceivable aspect of "listening to music". I think you forgot to mention one important thing, in your conversation around why young people today are listening to 40y ++ old music, and no one did so 40 years ago. Look at the size of the back catalogue available today! Of course there's something for every taste in the past 4 to 5 centuries. You also hear it in today's young artists - they find inspiration in songs from "way back when". And naturally their fans do as well.
Great conversation! I could easily have listened to a 30-40 minute version of this.
They would’ve probably gone for two hours if the had the time.
I like this guy. This video was more enjoyable to me than interviews with big name artists. Those are fascinating, don't get me wrong. This was just nice and easy, laid back, and a discussion on an interesting topic. Thank you, Rick and Jim.
Thank you, Jim Barber, for saying this. Some of the people on Rick’s Charts videos need to understand this. “If you don’t understand how music sounds for the kids now, that’s probably not a bad thing.”
Exactly. It's *good* for kids/teens to have their own thing that 'old' people don't get.
I like Billie Eilish, Sabrina Carpenter, and last generation's Adele, the generation before that Ben Folds/ Can you write good songs and sing them with meaning.?
The great italian philosopher and author ("The Name of the Rose") Umberto Eco wrote about the 80s and 90's as the first decades where people had for the first time full complete access to all the media (music, film, books, essays, etc.) that were published before and it made a huge difference 😲
Interesting take on U2. I was a teenage Duran Duran fan, and I never thought much of U2. QED!
Senor Beato! Thank you for all your work in delivering open minded, experienced, views, on music. I know you get these requests constantly and it turns into Battle of the Bands but Tame Impala (the Slow Rush) and Daft Punk(Random Access Memories). I can never stop listening. I grew up in classic rock and will always love rock and roll firstly but I think these albums are absolute genius. Would love to hear your take if you have ever listened. Rock on Senor Rick!
Yeah Daft Punk is really good...
The reason that, in the 80's, the 40s seemed irrelevant, is that the Internet, and TH-cam had not yet made it universally accessible. That's huge.
Yes. And I would add that there was such a plethora of great new music coming out, we didn't have time to look back. Being focused on all the good stuff of the moment made older music seem irrelevant.
But the 40s were much more distant culturally during the 80s than the 80s seem today. Many current and young artists still try to get that 80s sound. But no 80s pop stars ever wanted to sound like Glen Miller.
Maybe it's because rock stagnated after early 90s grunge so rock has become a time capsule. 25 of the past 40 years didn't count so it's more like a 15 year gap.
Very true. All mediocre IMHO.
As an older listener (I saw Hendrix at MSG in 1970) I still listen to an amazing blend of old and new. Something I've noticed, some groups that I really liked have changed. Members leave, members pass away, along with creative differences which can be good or maybe not. I was a big fan of Jethro Tull, faithful album listener and concert attendee for years. When Martin Barre went his way I kind of faded as a Tull fan although I still enjoy listening to the older catalog. I think Billy Joel has done well at remaining relevant over the years, I listened to Piano Man non-stop for a month when it was first released and have enjoyed nearly everything since.
I was a big Tull fan too...I think I saw them in concert about 5 times in the 70s.
Tull members looked ready to retire when they started 😂
Enjoyed that convo Rick. Good discussion, get that fella back on and do more of these.
I saw both U2 and REM in 1987 as an undergrad. Loved them both.
311 is a good example of a band that's been together recording and touring for 35 years, but nobody in this realm talks about them!
Bad Religion's got over 40 years under their belts and are still fantastic live shows. Descendents, as well. I'd say NOFX, but, well...
'Round about 2000, I was astonished that my best friend's teenage daughter, and her daughter's friends, all loved Led Zepplin. When I loved them most (about 1976), they were already past it in the eyes of my contemporaries.
You probably shouldn't have been. If you go on any video of music from the '50s, '60s, '70s or even sometimes into the '90s, you'll see a bunch of kids posting about how cool the music and wishing the modern stuff was as good.
I don't think it's an accident, there was so much diversity of sound in the '60s in particular that there's something for just about everybody.
There were lots of zep re issues in the 90s and in 95 they were out in rock roll hall of fame so they got a 2nd life certainly
I didn't have internet in the year 2000.
There were loads of people who had short careers in all those decades. Duran Duran still makes music. they release new songs all the time on youtube. these days you don't even have bands, you have one person whose music is made by one person on a laptop and i am glad that most of those people have short careers. i've always noticed that you have 2 types of bands where 1 starts out at the tops because they have a hit song or hit record like guns and roses or you have a band that just gets better and better like pink floyd.
Born in '69, I feel lucky to have been exposed to incredible music-Louis Armstrong, Sinatra, The Beatles, ABBA, Stevie Wonder, Queen-and in Israel, amazing composers with rich harmony, melodies, grooves, and bass lines. All of this shaped me into the musician and bass player I am today!
Very interesting conversation. I’m now in my early ‘70s; it’s fascinating to have your childhood music faves analyzed like this.
With U2, their tours - namely ZOO TV - played a massive technological advancement that captured different generations' imaginations. People were just in awe with so much over-the-top shenanigans of that era.
Elvis was another who reinvented himself and grew as his audience also got older with him.
Same for Madonna and Michael Jackson.
For some reason, that often gets forgotten in these discussions.
ELVIS NEVER REINVENTED HIMSELF. HE HAD NO NEW MUSIC WHEN HE WENT BACK TO SINGING. HE WAS WASHED UP. THAT IS WHY HE DIED OF A DRUG OVERDOSE. BECAUSE HE COULD NOT TAKE BEING OUT OF THE LIME LIGHT !!!!!!!!!
@@mefirst4266this is a bad take. Elvis was still wildly popular. Look at his last concerts. Also, his voice and power never left him. Further, he did reinvent himself and his sound several times.
@@thedanashow AT HIS LAST CONCERTS HE COULD HARDLY SING AT ALL... HE WAS VERY SICK AND DRUGED UP. WHAT PLANET ARE YOU ON ...
Probably KISS is a special phenomenon. I took my 7years old son to their concert in Tokyo and he was amazed. In his playlist now he has Kiss'songs mixed with some other japanese Pop bands for teenagers. I'm not sure there are many other bands that can have 4〜5 generations going to their concerts.
I've always felt that KISS was and is a mostly visual spectacle accompanied by some music and a lot of pyrotechnics. I recall their very early days of breaking nationally. It was not possible to be unaware of them at the time.
Kiss fans are not really 160 years old (8 generations), they just smell like it, and haven't aged well.
@@NotBornEveryMinute My Aqua Velva and Brut After Shave both agree with you
Missing from this discussion was country music and the longevity of many of it's artists. Artists still touring and still making new music, writing new songs and not just being nostalgia acts. What really deserves discussion, is the fact that music is seldom a shared experience anymore. Now everyone is plugged into earbuds and gone are the days of getting together with friends to listen to one's latest album purchase. But then again, maybe the modern equivalent of that is sharing a link.
I was a sophomore in college when the Boy album first came out. A buddy who worked at the college radio station, snuck the LP out long enough for us to hear it and record it on cassette. “I Will Follow” was a game changer.
Regarding REM, I didn’t gear them until my 5th year in school, and I became an even bigger fan of their music. But it only lasted thru the Document album. They lost me with “Shiny Happy People.”
I was born in '72, I grew up lustening to Beatles, the Easybeats, Rolling Syones, the Doors, Queen, Sabbath, Zeppelin, Dr Hook, original Little River Band, Cold Chisel, Midnight Oil, The Angels, The Radiators even Air Supply... and I still listen to them now plus everything in between. Australia still has a great pub band culture who are keeping rock alive! 🤘
Makes sense. You began your teenage years about 1985. That was when music was most important to you. Those were the years when you transitioned for teenager to adult.
No female vocalists? Why do you say "even" Air Supply? Anyway, I have l a lot of albums by people you mentioned, including all I could find by Air Supply. I'm sorry Cold Chisel, The Angels and The Radiators weren't more successful here in the US.
Lol! What a strange discussion. I still don't get the whole "things are back to normal" and that "singers and musicians didn't have long careers until the mid-sixties," which seems to be at the center of this discussion. Also, that "only teenagers bought records" in previous generations. Is that for real? I realize that classical music may be an outlier here, but adults bought millions of classical records in the 1940, 50s and 60s. There was RCA Living Stereo, Columbia Masterworks, Mercury Living Presence just to name a few. They had artists like Leonard Berstein and Artur Rubinstein who sold millions of records and to not only to adults but elderly adults as well. But there was also jazz - There was Ella Fitzgerald, Sarah Vaughan, Count Baise, Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong all of whom spanned two generations of record buyers. But wait, there were popular music artists, who would be surprised to hear that Frank Sinatra "invented" adult popular music. That would be news to Bing Crosby, Nat King Cole, Johnny Mathis, Peggy Lee and Tony Bennett. Tony Bennett was still making records with Lady Gaga when he passed away last year! If this was only supposed to be about only rock music, which may be just weird, then there was no rock music before the 1950s and at the beginning there was Elvis. And he had a long career too.
Good point
AEROSMITH span about 4 decades, 3 of which with a hit song.
The billboard charts filtered out alot of were aerosmiths big MTV hits @@Danisapema
Rick Rubin touched on this in the interview, but Aerosmith is one of the strangest cases because they went through the normal lifecycle of a band in the 70's and then basically died alongside other bands of their era, but then were brought back to life by Rubin with the RUN DMC Walk this Way remake which introduced them to a new generation of kids. Basically they got a second career, I really can't think of another band whose career worked out that way, but without Rick Rubin making them "cool" again, the second career starting with Permanent Vacation probably never happens.
This is the first band that came to mind when they mentioned longevity.
@@Danisapema Discography wise (according to WikiP) 1970 - 2012. As for hits, I would consider: Toys in the Attic (11) and Rocks (3) / Draw the Line (11) to be considered hits, no? Not just speaking of #1's.
I enjoy their music, but I am not a huge fan. They did kind of have a raw deal early on getting their music out there. The radio environment was much ... more wholesome than their preferences.
@@FlyWithFitz81 Twenty-one of Aerosmith's songs have reached the top 40 of the Billboard Hot 100 and the band has long been a stalwart of the Mainstream Rock Tracks chart, achieving nine number-one hits on that chart to date. An additional 28 of the band's songs have reached the top 40 on various charts worldwide.
My kids actually love older music and they put me on to vgm and J-pop. Outside of Western 'pop' there is not only Indies but a whole wide world to listen to. This means a truly global audience can be found by even niche bands like The Consouls from the jazz backwater that is Sydney 💖
Achtung Baby is my fave U2 record, but I saw them on the Joshua Tree tour in 1987 at age 31. Love REM as well, and of course, TheTalking Heads.
I went to see Weezer with my son on the weekend and I was shocked at how many teenagers were there. 30th anniversary of the Blue album.
The crowd didn't really get the Flaming Lips though...
Rivers has been really into internet culture since the 90s and is big on tiktok
To be fair, I was there during that time and didn't get the Flaming Lips.
How were they? I saw as a teen in 2002 (first proper concert without parental accompaniment) and I’m afraid if I see them again it may diminish my experience of them
@@weezadam They were both great, my first time seeing them live. Dinosaur Jr was there too.
I was 10 in 1980, and a massive U2 fan due mostly to MTV.
So true. For the people who complain about certain music they don't like... Jim sums it up with ...not everything is about you. lol
Saw Metallica live a couple years ago and the crazy thing is that many people brought their kids and even little grandkids... it was like a big family singalong. Three generations all enjoying the show together. I'm sure there is a HUGE difference between Metallica shows in the 1980's vs. 2020's.
One of my favourite concert memories is seeing Jethro Tull in Victoria, BC Canada in about 2007. I looked around the auditorium and saw all ages-most touchingly, kids with their grandparents looking just as excited as they were.