I tried riding a 450 in hard enduro - struggle fest
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I love how Cody Webb shows up in the video for one second then fucks off to what I presume is the top of a mountain 😂
Haha pretty much. He waited for us a couple times, he’s quite patient. But yeah basically he was doing laps around me. 😂. I got stuck after I launched the bike up that rock face and he stopped to pull me out of a hole mid lap. Incredible how much he can flow up that stuff!
😎👍 I bought a 250fx for my son and was honestly shocked at how capable it was in the hard stuff compared to my 250xcw. Was even better than my 350xc
What year is the bike, have you done any mods to it?
Fascinating bike, camera work and editing on point as always! Love it!
Thank you very much!!
Absolutely love the humbleness within you, such fat massive respect. Ever since i started riding smaller displacement bikes i started absolutely not blaming the bike either, such a good influence i wish more people will have this mindset. Keep up the quality over quantity content Brad!
I’ll be honest, sometimes it IS the bike 😅. I had a major issue with my 300XCW suspension that made what’s normally simple things for me very difficult. Buuuut yeah…rare for that to happen.
It's quite refreshing to finally have someone reviewing and promoting the hard enduro capabilities of Yamahas. While the 450 isn't an ideal example, your YZ125X and 250X reviews convinced me to give a 125X a try. Couldn't be happier! It does 80% of what I loved about my aged KTM 200s that finally bit the dust. If all goes according to plan I'll be adding a 250X to the fleet tomorrow morning! If so, I'll definitely be buying some more parts from you!
I love your vids man, and I wish I got to catch you while you were on Vancouver island! Cheers brother. Stay safe
That was some tough terrain! The battery dying sucks, glad you were able to get it started back up.
Great video. Straight to the point and an interesting idea. Shame these newer models dont tend to have kickstarts anymore. I just got a 625 SMC and appreciate the hell out of both starters.
The good news is, ain’t a single person on earth planning to get a 450fx for hard enduro riding! 😂
There is for the crf450r tho
At least that of what we know 😂😂😂
I've used a KTM 520 for hard Enduro for 4 months.... What a workout😂😂
**laughs in KX500**
@@dr.hugog.hackenbush9443you gotta accept the fact that 4 strokes are just better
Proud of your determination!
Just bought a new 250fx coming from a 250 2 stroke seems to work really good for enduro/woods so far huge adjustment for me as I haven’t owned a 4 stroke since 2010, good job on that 450 man I’m not sure I could walk up that let alone drag a 450 up it 😂
Great video, thanks! I'm so happy the clerk told me not to get the 450 when I was about to buy my enduro mc. I wanted the KTM excf 500, or the 450, but they said that if I was going into the forest with the bike I absolutely should not use the 450 or 500, but rather the 250 or 350. So I bought the 350 excf.. though I never even tried a 450.
Tried what was for me "Hard Enduro" with my 22' WR450F a few weeks ago with 2 friends with 300 2smoke. I normaly ride fast trails, quad trails, had a great day but this is clearly not where my bike shine ahah. Heavy in certains situations and always between two gears with the stock setup.
I have the 21 450FX and my buddy has the 21 450F. I also have the IMS tank on there and you can feel the weight difference when you load and unload the bike haha I rode the 250FX and it was really light and had just enough power. You have to be in great shape to muscle the 450FX around for 1.5-3 hours in a race for sure. Great review man. 😎🤙
I have a 450. Rode it for three years in the Northeast. I then decided to get an Electric Motion Escape in March 2023. I can't believe how I suffered on the 450 compared to this thing in the tight, wet, slippery, muddy, rocky tree laden northeast. I have a few TH-cam vids up on the type of terrain I ride. The Electric Motion is perfect for the eastern nastiness. Took my 450 out once just to run it for about 15 minutes and haven't touched it since.
Oh yeh. The “Motion Escapes” are just wonderful. Absolutely just another level compared to Yamaha. I prefer motion escapes anytime the riding conditions permit. Everyone around here rides the Motion Escapes. My grandmother got one and she rips now.
I’ve had four WR 450’s in the last seven years. Still have one…to go along with my NEW 2023 Beta 300RR! The WR is great for more open track. The Beta for tight single track. The WR is a beast to pull out of the muck. I’m glad to say I have the best of both worlds. Agree with your observations 100%. No fan on my 2010 WR and never needed. Still has a backup kickstarter. A Rekluse on both bikes makes them way easier in hard enduro situations.
Which engine map were you guys running through the trail? I use the mild tube that Yamaha provides when you buy it. That tune is beautiful in this tighter stuff.
Inactually realized that I was accidentally on the motocross map all day 😂. And it still did great! But the factory hard terrain map is what I typically would run and it is pretty darn good.
I bet you were exhausted by the end of that lol.very impressive
I bought a ktm450sx (mx bike) it was awful in the enduro stuff…the suspension is crap (hard) the low flywheel weight meant it stalled constantly…it was an eye opener,a week later I bought the enduro version…it was like butter in comparison…I learned a lot that day.
Yeah huge difference there! The fx is I’d say the best bet for this terrain. The 450XCF-W’s are pretty awesome too.
laughed out loud, I feel your pain :D
so sick
Great video just what I wanted to see! Love that 450. What do you think about a 250fx in a similar terrain? Have you ridden one?
I’ve ridden numerous 250fx’s but never in hard enduro. They’re incredible in single track though. Maybe one of the best handling bikes I’ve been on. I imagine they’d do just fine in techy terrain.
@BeRAD Thank you for a fast reply. That's great! Currently I ride a 200xcw but would like to change things up a bit;) continue great work you do cheers🍻
Man, i just cant make my decision over a 450 or a 250 2t. 20 years of ktm and mostly 300’s my current 2023 300xc with its random bog put me in the hospital. I am going blue. I have a track with more like supercross jumps(70’ biggest) and trails. Nothing like you ride in this vid. I’m may harescramble but will defiantly keep expanding my track that I normally ride most days. The 450 from what I’ve read is the best on a track but I’ve not been on a 4t since my 2006 crf 450. Pretty sure the yz250 would be best but dang I got spoiled with efi and e-start…need to pull the trigger on something soon cause I’m almost healed up. Good videos dude.
Your a manic dude. 😂😂 I got my kx450x into just a tiny bit of hard stuff and i never wanna do that crap again. 😂😂
Is this in Colorado? Back in Taylor? I know I know….secrets….. I really love the reliability and simple fixes for the old bikes. I’m old school
What trail in CO was this?
Hey bonus points for going for it on a 450X
What do you think would be easier in this situation the 450fx or your 125x
The 450. The 125 just doesn’t have enough guts at elevation above like 8000ft. And even then, it’s a bitch to keep the motor spinning. I always had overheating issues in techy terrain above 6-8k feet on the 125. It was fun, but required so much revs and clutch that it couldn’t handle the heat.
Hey what do you use for your GoPro camera mount - that perspective is what I am after.
I use the Klim chin mount that pops into the F3/F5 helmet. It’s great! Chin mount is the way to go one way or another.
Cool, I have a TLD helmet so will look for something similar. Thanks for the response and thanks for the videos as always.
I ride a 16 450FX and it'll definitely make a man of you. I'm a good intermediate level rider on a good day and I've taken it places I probably shouldn't have but at the end of the day, a day on the bike is better than sitting on the couch.
made my day ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Out of curiosity, what’s your height/weight?
I need more yz125x content pls
Buy me one and I’ll provide!
@@BeRAD oh wow did you get rid of it?
@@BeRAD ok
@@noahkouhouptyes. Sold it over a year ago. Would love another at some point. It was my favorite bike I’ve ever owned. Just not practical to travel with since I’m often at high elevation where it struggles.
It’s cool that Yamaha makes enduro style 450, 250s lower gear ratio, rim size and more ,it’s deff better for single track flowing , not slow rock , they have low end power and major top end
Not sure if other mentioned it, but you said the battery died from the fan running when the bike shut off, you can stop this by holding the kill switch for a few seconds. It will turn off the fan.
Just heard you mention it actually, I had paused the video to comment this haha.
3 years going now my buddies and i have been taking our 450f motocross bikes down to the green river dirt bike rally and run every trail shoet of five miles of hell all weekend long kickstarting those heavy pigs when they stall. Is it stupid as hell and the wrong buke for it YES! Would i sell it and buy a 2 stroke as my only bike even if that was the only terrain i was ever riding. Probably not i just like the big snappy power too much even when it gets me in trouble on those kind of trails.
you pointed the real factor. can be heavier but main problem is that 4 strokes have higher weight gravity center...
You just gave me the best reason to get a two stroke...😂 don't do this on a 450 guys. good point Brad.🙃
If you plan on going real slow all the time, then sure. I have both a 2 stroke and a 4 stroke. The 450 I think can struggle if you are going through real slow terrain on a hot day. But it’s so much more fun to ride than a two stroke.
I’d sure like to have both some day. I reeeaalllyy had fun on this 450. But glad to have a 250x again too.
@@BeRAD right! It’s 80% 2 stroke and 20% 4 stroke for me. But man when I do get on the 450, it’s fun. But exhausting
I think this is why the 350 seems to be doing so well. A 250 often leaves a bit to be desired in terms of down low torque and snappiness. A 450 just seems to have way too much everything.
But obviously a properly done up YZ250 or KTM 300 seems to do this well.
The 350’s are the absolute worst bikes for slow riding though. They flame out so easily. At least any one I’ve ridden, which has been a fair amount.
@@BeRAD No issues with my 2020 fx350 flaming out. Great vidya!
I mostly ride a 300. Just got a 450 for the first time a couple days ago. It’s a blast and not to much to handle at all.
@@BeRAD i reckon this will be solved at some point with clutch/gearbox tech in the future and 350's will be all round king.
It'll just take one race for a 4st to win to start changing minds. Similair to Sam hill winning downhill mountain bike world cup on flat pedals when everyone else was running cleats.
@@BeRAD Best solution for flameout is a Rekluse clutch.
Suzuki with a kick start is looking good now isnt it
8:15 that's a Yamaha thing. KTM 4Ts hot start right away.
I gave hard enduro a shot for a few seasons. After breaking my leg on the dirt bike, I sold it and bought a nice mountain bike instead lol.
6:12 you misunderstand that issue. KTMs without a capacitor do not start, if the battery is internally shorted or absent. If simply too low to crank the bike, it will still allow the fuel system to start with a bump. The battery is a capacitor.
I'm glad you enjoy that, cause it looks purely miserable... 😉
Why did you bring a 450 to a hard enduro? I tried it with a wr and had a bear lol.
Try a Beta 390. You will not be disappointed with it anywhere.
Can you try a cr500 2 stroke for this
Haha that would be a great video. If you can find a loaner for me I’ll make it happen
Its actually pretty good- been riding 500s in PA woods for decades.
Bros to good save some skill for me
Haha far from too good but thank you!
You could use Evans waterless coolant and you do not even need a cooling fan.
Yes and melt a piston haha. I’d rather know when it’s getting too hot. That’s the point of it boiling over!
@@BeRAD Haha thanks for the reply! 1. That would be an easy catchy answer but I do not think Evans would exist if that happened to engines using it. 2. 4T engines as long as they have their lub oil intact they almost never fail because engine alloys melt at a really higher temps than coolants boils. 3. I have been using Evans in a '07 400EXC for the past 10 years in real extreme enduro conditions without a cooling fan and a 1.4 radiator cap, never boiled and never had an engine issue. The only time that even Evans boiled (and that would be at around 190 deg C - 375 F) was when I had a pump impeller failure and the coolant was not circulating. Still nothing happened because engine alloys melt at ~650 C - 1200 F. 4. Try it and thank me later. 😉
...as for the workout...I got an xtrainer 300 this year.. hahaha
meting and increasing tolerances are two different things ;) @@oly10676
You’re being too nice. The YZ250FX and YZ450FX are both too heavy. If you had a hard time, we mortals don’t have a chance.
What mapping changes did you make?
None. Stock maps. I actually accidentally had it in the Moto map this whole ride 😂. Didn’t even notice though. The hard terrain stock map would have helped it run even cooler and a little less prone to stalling. But I guess good clutch work makes it not an issue anyway.
Would a WR250 been better
hold the killswitch for a few seconds to completely shut off the ecu. that'll also shut off the fan
edit: that's what I get for commenting before finishing the video
wr450 might be a little better for this
I’ve got one. Still not great
100% still a big bore high compression stall machine hahaha
I really don’t think it would make much difference actually. Once uncorked it’s nearly identical to the FX. Suspension would be a bit more plush though which would help, yes.
Bro, i love your work and your channel and i am subbed for years
but please, never have the words "Hard Enduro" and a 450 4T in the same title.
Yes, it can do "Hard" but not "Enduro" or Enduro but not Hard and that's how people get confused that it can do both.
It can't do the two combined as easy to the rider as a 2T can!
I owned 2x450s (7 years of riding) before i realized the truth the hard way (Romaniacs 2012) and switched to a 2T for all the blessing!
It literally can though….that was the point of the video! It’s a more effort but it’s every bit as capable. My big mistake here was just not having the right tire setup. It would never be my first choice but it can absolutely do hard enduro. I believe Billy bolt has even stated that he’d rather ride a 4T if it weren’t for the overheating in (some) situations. I’m not sure what 450 specifically you were riding but unsure know that the 450’s especially from the euro manufacturers around 2012 were and are absolutely miserable to ride slow. This fx is great in slow. Sooooo I don’t know why you’re upset about putting 450 and hard enduro in the title lmao. Comes off as pretty whiny haha. But anyway, thanks for the input and for watching all these years! Give a newer 4T a try and see what you think! They’ve come a long way!
@@BeRAD Lovely response from a brother in arms (dirty arms) and your view is highly respected from me, but as we agree to disagree allow me to elaborate:
The problem with these bikes is only visible when it is too late.
My experience was with two Euro 450s dedicated on enduro, not cross overs, (Husabergs 2004 and 2010 (upside down engine)) and for our discussion i will deduct the overheating problem of all 450s AND how that affects the pump in the EFI newer ones, forcing you to quit a race from a dead pump as it had been overheating on you while training and i will only refer to the weight problem they have when during a race a) you are forced to pick them up way more often than you planned, stealing the endurance out of you and b ) when trying to turn or brake on downhills of gravel that include turns. Yes, lots of money are spent in trying to improve them (including riders supporting them) but when Graham signed with Husqvarna they forced him to race a 350 instead of his regular 300 and he ended up 6th which was unheard of for that man and on the next race he was back on a 300 and back on top (#1) where he remained for the rest of the whole season.
The only way to discover their true shortcomings is when it is too late (when you race them)
Comment in all love from an experienced (3x) but now retired Romaniacs silver class racer.
♥💪
I ain't whining, i just love protecting people from purchasing wrong tools for the job they might intent them for. They are great fun bikes for having fun and go distance, but not to race extreme on! They exhaust the racer more than the race would!
@@Achilleas7that’s pretty much exactly what I said in the video! So we don’t disagree. But you can ABSOLUTELY do hard enduro on one. If Cody were riding this, he’d not have struggled to get through. Not all 4T’s are created equal and the fx is by far the best 4T I’ve ridden for this stuff. You can’t compare apples to oranges! As for Graham and the 350…well yeah, the 350’s are horrible for slow riding lol. Flame outs and stalls, not much bottom end grunt. Overheating….didn’t have that issue on the 450. I very explicit sly state in the video that a beginner rider should by no means get this bike for hard enduro. Not anyone really. But it can for sure DO IT if needed.
@@BeRAD Yep... can be done if needed... just like banging a chick u don't like if you are the last couple remaining on the world 😂Mankind will continue but at what cost?
As extreme is the only game i enjoy playing, i wouldn't be buying a 4T even if they were the last bikes remaining.
The FX might be better than the rest, i'll give you that! 😏
@@BeRAD And i will admit... i have lost interest in riding, especially after a forest fire burned my 2 sexy 2 strokes and all the garage around them that was able to rebuild any bike from scratch back to pristine condition and blast/ceracote/powdercoat'em.. So, i am admitting that in order to say that i only responded to the title of the video and wasn't into watching it, but i did now and the truth is that it is in line with my comment. Possible, but not ideal. If it exhausted you up to where you made it on this video, imagine another 80km of the same terrain. I love the epilogue conclusions. Top notch advice. "If you're a newcomer, stay the F away from that bike!"
Tip #1: Get a 2.0b radiator cap, it will immensely help with the boiling.
Tip #2 Drop the mousse and add a Tubliss system on the rear. It is more coherent and you can have low PSI from day 1. Good luck to your buddies in Romania! 💪💪
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Bro me as a balkan kid i have friends that ride 450 mx better like its 300tpi enduro like nothing its nuts
150e the tyre XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
I would die on that trail. On any bike.
no tubliss? what gives ?
Mousse. Tubliss is horribly unreliable for me. I blew through inner bladders lol. Constant flats. And when running thin carcass hard enduro tires, you can’t plug them.
Early ish
I got tired just watching this.
A great rider can ride anything over anything. The average rider needs the ‘horse for the course.’