Correction: the weight stated in the video is wrong, as the German official CFMoto site got it wrong 😂. It is 175kg dry, so similar to the Royal Enfield Himalayan. The brakes are also not directly from Brembo as it turns out but instead from their spanish sub brand J.Juan. Sorry about that, annoys me to no end that I got that wrong.
I see heaps of them in Oz they look amazing :) and everybody is happy:). Truly shocking cause back in time everybody was laughing from CFMOTO I guess not anymore good job :) Enjoy the bike I will buy soon as well:)
A very constructive and unbiased review. I will purchasing one next year myself. I don't care about people's opinions on bikes made in China as they are pretty quick to dismiss how many things they purchase are made in the same country. CF Moto are going to become major players quickly if the Japanese don't pull their socks up. Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿
I've had mine in Australia for a few weeks, and have done 1,200kms. Agree regarding the gearing being too short. I fitted a 15-tooth front sprocket (up 1 tooth), and that makes cruising at 110kph (max legal speed in Oz) much more comfortable, dropping by about 500rpm compared to standard, and making the speedo much more accurate. First gear becomes more usable, even off road, as the motor has a very good bottom end and mid range. I think a 16-tooth sprocket would fit if you were going to be doing a lot of freeway/autobahn riding. For my height (170cm) it's very comfortable on the highway with the screen raised. I can easily reach the ground, unlike on the bigger adv bikes - I'd love a T7, but I just don't fit! Other cons - from the factory the suspension is way too hard, but is easily softened. The fueling isn't perfect, being a little bit on/off at low speed - hopefully that will be fixed via software update. Yes, cruise control would be very nice, but it's a cable throttle rather than ride-by-wire, so that would require significant hardware update.
Dont get your hopes up for software updated - its a fools promise just to sell you an incomplere product. Idea of updating the software is very nice but unfortunately it is very rarely used to benefit customers in the long run.
@@mnap89 Ummmm! Software update has been available in Australia for some weeks. Don't even have to take the bike into dealer - just do it with your phone. My issue with the MT is that it is still too tall for me even with the seat in low position. No dogbones so not easy to lower further.
True enough, but what I really want in an ADV bike is a really low 1st, low 2nd, lowish 3rd, normal 4th, slightly overdrive 5th and tall 6th. This arrangement only works with a torqy motor. Like this one!
6:50 what you talking about? This is their 4th bike using that exact engine, it's not brand new, but it's 100% CFMoto's. The fact that they've used it on 3 other different bikes and the internet hasn't informed on red flags about them is a good sign.
People who complain about China made are living in a cognitive bubble,China gives what you pay for. You buy very cheap stuff ,you shouldn't expect something in good quality. Nowadays China for example has less issues with the commercial planes then Boeing,same with BYD cars or Huawei phones..the countrie isn't what it was 20 years ago! Alot of engineers that went to europe and the US,UK to study and have work eperiences are also returning to China since the future in China is much brighter and safer then that of the West. Many Western designers and engineers are going to China aswell,to build a business and progress. The saftey and quality laws in China are rapidly changing with its innovation in lead.
I like cf Moto but will wait. Depreciation reliability spare parts, let’s see if anything falls apart in 5 years or so. I love my Honda cb500x and they seem to hold their value and are used in the rental market with outstanding mileages.
There is a lot of different information on this out there. A viewer of mine weighted his and it came to 179kg full. Not sure what is correct to be honest.
@@LukeHilbyi think Full is about 185kg. Hast du eigentlich auch Videos auf deutsch oder nur die übersetzten. Deine süd Europa Tour mit Camping sieht toll aus. Mache gerade den Lappen und will auch sowas machen!
@HippieHoller If you weight 4.6 gallons of gasoline + 2 quarts of oil + 1 quarts of antifreeze it turns out it turns out to be about 15 kg. So 190ish kg sounds about right which is still pretty good compared to it's competition
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I would consider 1st gear as similar to a Trial bike, so if You want to crawl superslow between the logs in trial style, I will take it as an advantage, while on Tenere one should slow down with the clutch to make the same manoeuvres.
A bigger screen is available Don’t forget the important fact that the tires are tubeless ideal for off road. I like that there are OEM crash bars luggage racks and centre stand and taller seat available and accessories are quite cheap. Otherwise a great review thanks.
La CFMoto MT 450, posee potencia, buen equipamiento de serie, larga autonomía, actualizaciones vía app de móvil, tubeless, buena ergonomía, pantalla ajustable, tomas de energía, escape alto, capacidad de carga, subchasis desmontable, estriberas, cambio, y espejos retráctiles, suspensiones Kayaba largas solventes y adecuadas para uso mixto, electrónica comedida, altura de asiento polivalente desde solo 80 a 87 centímetros, filtros fácilmente accesibles, me parece bonita y sobre el papel buenos materiales y acabados honestos. Es casi perfecta. Solo le falta para ser perfecta pesar 10 kilos menos, tener diez caballos más y ofrecer Quickshifter. Quizá la planeada KTM 490 Adventure, que nunca nació en India, hubiera sido así, pero más cara. Incluso los dormidos japoneses, tendrían que tomar ejemplo en cuanto a diseño y equipamiento de serie. Los fabricantes occidentales y japoneses, ya no quieren fabricar motos así de buenas y sencillas. (KLEs, XTs, DRMs-Zs, DRs, Pegasos, GSesitas monocilíndricas, etcétera). Ellos se lo pierden. Yo pasé por el infierno de las motos alemanas y sus numerosos fallos de juventud nunca resueltos, las bonitas pero infieles italianas, las fiables japonesas y ahora conduzco una austriaca hecha en India, voluntariosa, ligera, potente y polivalente. Probablemente, si los corrompidos políticos y sus aranceles no lo impiden, la próxima moto será china y será o se parecerá a la CFMoto 450 MT. En mi opinión y tras 45 años de motos, salvo por su, para mí, excesiva altura de siento, la KTM 390 es la reina de la categoría y la CFMoto digna sucesora con motor bicilíndrico, más refinado de funcionamiento, aunque la MT, algo más torpe y pesada que la 390, que, en ese sentido, es lo más divertido, ligero y eficaz que he tenido en esta pequeña-mediana cilindrada trail. Llevo casi cuatro años y 30.000 km con la Kati 390 Adventure y en un añito, si la cambio, probablemente será por esta CFMoto 450 MT. Saludos desde España. ✌
i dont understand why youre nitpicking the key or that it has no cruise controll? its a kove 450 with a downsized t7 engine its near perfect for this segment of adv's.
I have been riding a CF Moto 700 CLX for 2 years now as a 2nd bike besides a big ADV bike. The bike does good. No issues, no surprises. As there is no dealership near, i do maintenance myself. The 450 seems to be just cool. I will soon do a testride.
... I weighted my 450MT, including 10 liters fuel, short licence plate holder and screen protection foil it weights 179 kg - weighted with two person scales and values added ...
I agree with your comments regarding dealership network here in the UK they are pretty sparse. I live near a major city with a KTM main dealer who doesn’t stock CF Moto so much for the partnership. The nearest dealer stocking these is about 100 miles from me which makes service and warranty trips unrealistic so no CF Moto for me currently 😢
@@axeami1354 hi. I've had no issues at all with the bike. I think I've found the perfect combo of bikes. This Mt800 and my -23 Husqvarna 701 sm. One perfect for longer distances riding in comfort and one for commute, track and everyday fun.
I'm not for China here but I'd call a spade a spade. Whenever someone said disparaging things about Made in China stuff, I'd point out that there are only 3 countries running their own space stations: US, Russia and China. That said, between the MT450 and RE Himalayan, I'd probably pick this one.
I always thought that but sooner or later we may have to, he does make the point that plenty of BMW, KTMs, Hondas are already built in China. Triumph in India, Hondas in Thailand, my twin cab Ute was built there as most are. My last new purchase was Moto Guzzi one of the few still Built in Europe, in the end does it matter?
Australia does about half of its trade with China. Despite xenophobic politicians prodded by America and UK to stop trading with them. You get value for money manufactured products no one else on the planet can produce so cheaply, they buy your commodities to turn into goods. Sounds perfect until the Mafia Hedgemon persuades / threatens our politicians otherwise.
The new 452 definitely is major improvement from the 411...surprisingly competent for the money. Receiving some excellent reviews (see BigRockMoto) Not yet available here in the USA
This or the Kove 800 are definitely on my radar. I tried building out a more dirt worthy Versys 300 with a KLR front end and custom rear shock but it just didn't have enough or the right power for me. My vstrom has 120,000+ miles on it so I'd love to move it to backup bike duty.
I think its fuel range anxiety and 5000 km service intervals would stop me from buying it. The spare part issue and quality problems have prevented me from buying it. I am going with the 450 Himalayan
We have a unicorn bike since 1990, the suzuki dr650. 165kg wet, cruising at 120km /h no problems, great maintenance intervals, highly customizable, great offroad with a suspension uograde and pretty comfortable with a seat upgrade
DR650 is awesome but new ones aren't that great of a value considering all the upgrades you'd need to get it closer to something like this. If you can get a used one with the upgrades already done though they are super solid
@TheParaxore well said, "Some people spend another 3k plus to get the dr650 a perfect bike" that's basically 10k after everything. You can buy a nicer bike with 10k that is already set up.
@@josechimal1358 true and not true, a "better" bike for what? 10k will get you a better street bike or 10k will get you a better lighter non street legal bike,sure!!!, but I challenge you to name 1 bike under 10k that is street legal lighter than 165 kg, as reliable as a a dr650, with better offroad performance than an upgraded suspension dr650 and able to cruise comfortably at 130 k/h. And long maintenance intervals as the dr650.
I see the 450 is great for offroad use but first, I need to get there after making some 600 km. So, the question is very, very simple: Can you cruise at 130 km/h during, say, 2 hours non-stop at a reasonable engine speed (RPMs) with enough power left to, eventually, overtake? Thx!!
I got 1200 km on my in Poland. My other ride is the Rally 300 (in Indonesia). I bought the MT450 for European style ADV rides. The short gear box is a miss, I already have installed 15t front sprocket. That helps some. The off idle fueling is not good (thx euro whatever). Yes skid plate is paper thin. The exhaust is on a loud side, I guess I am old. If you care for your bike, 10k oil changes is bull shitit. Other than that, for the price or with that low price, it's an awesome side roads adv bike.
Jeśli możesz to prośba o podanie linku do oferty z wspomnianą zebatką. CF mam zamówiona ale po doświadczeniach z G310 GS wiem, że to będzie pierwsza rzecz, która wymienię a zamówiłbym już teraz :)
@ibol857 JTF656 15RB. The sprocket nut is tightened a lot. I had to go to a shop and borrow an impact gun. Make sure you eliminate as much of the throttle cable slack as possible. This helps with the off idle stumble somewhat. I ordered my sprocket through the local bike shop.
This bike needs probably both front and rear sprocket change to be useful in Europe. They should have just put longer six gear to solve the problem, I don't understand the idea of having torque fast reving engine and gear rations set up so close to each other just like in sport bike. I bet first gear is not very usable as well.
Thoughts on this bike as a beginner for new riders? I was looking at the Honda NX500. Thing is I wanted a bike that was good off road as on. Thank you.
Many of the issues that the first journalists have mentioned about this bike on their first rides, can be solved by leaving the bike exactly as it is, but sticking a Husqvarna sticker on top of CFMoto's branding. That's it,
It seems that it's poor quality control, but it's really hurting KTM's reputation at the moment. One of my gripes is that the warranty is void if you do your own servicing, but I do know that in some countries (Australia for example), where the consumer has protection rights. A strange world we live in. Hey CFMoto, don't forget to build better cams, ya hear me?
@@twowheelpilot I appreciate your feedback twowheelpilot. It sounds like you've researched the matter. Guys like you are much appreciated. It's a shame that the cam issues occurred, especially out of the Austrian plant.
Not sure you need cruise control. The price would definitely go up, and you would then have "ride by wire" throttle as opposed to cables (which are easy to fix)
My only beef with this commentary and "the gap between 300 and 700cc" is that Honda released the CB500X in 2013: this bike was absolutely ignored by international press until Honda, through various iterations, landed on a 19" front wheel to appease the Adventouring folks. Then, the new XL750 Transalp was released and they had to remarket the smaller sister as NX500 which, strangely enough, looks a lot like this CF450. Now it seems that the press embargo and stigma about A2 bikes has been lifted and everyone realized that you don't need 250+kg behemots to enjoy an adventure on your own. Thank god, it was high time.
Honda does have the CB500X in the middle class for travel and adventure. It is right on under 200kg . I think that they are now called the NX500X . So it's an option that is out there. I do admit that the CF MT450 has a place and there is plenty of room for this and many more.
More reviews brother, ☝️I feel getting a real enduro, fe390 wr450 ktm 450 used is the way ,,you become a dirtbike mechanic,which is nice ,dropping oil is easy and a filter every 5 fills,,,,,
The thing keeping me away from this bike is the Suzuki DR650. If you put a better seat and bigger tank on the dr, it does everything this bike does and has as much or even more power.
IMO KTM shot itself in the foot by selling out to get into the Chinese market. I refuse to buy a "premium" brand bike that is manufactured in or has a good majority of its parts "engine" manufactured there. Why pay the premium when you could just get this 450 for example.
what I hate: single thumbers, tried it did not like, the fact that 6 foot people totally ignore smaller people's needs and recommend 890 mm seat height bikes, which is why I bought the kawa versys-x = 2 cylinder fitted with 40 HP w/ decent height 158 kg dry weight - that's my bike! As a former owner of a chinese bike I would be very carefull about the metal alloy quality =rust
They're just smart to put 🛢️ changes at 3,000 mi...it's STUPID to go 8,000 MI between 🛢️ changes, 🛢️ is cheap, engines are expensive AF. Most adventure bikes are so easy to change it's silly not to 👌
Can someone tell me if the CFMoto 450MT is comfortable enough for long rides? I'm planning a trip through Europe and wonder if this bike might be the deal for it. I am 6"5 (197cm).
Newbie here: 10:14 - how do you solve short end-gear? Difference sized sprocked? Isnt it makes you loose warranty? How do you do that, choose the matching sprocket? Thank you!
BTW 385llbs DRY?? for a 450?? THAT is a PIG! Yes nice pricepoint if THAT is what you cant live without....not me....not riding pricepoint crap when I can afford better.....but if this is you? Have at it and enjoy....whatever dude/dudettes
A 1 hr trip to see a dealer is not too bad at all, I live in a medium size city in New Zealand & my nearest BMW dealer is about a 5hr ride, so yeah 1hr is a luxury.
"Xenophobic"?, More than a bit harsh, narrow minded and bigoted, the assumption that an item made in China is likely to be of a lower quality is based on nothing but past experience and has absolutely nothing to do with race/ethnicity, when they can shed to stigma of poor quality merchandise for a long enough period the facts will outweigh the historical memories and the stigma will fade away, just as it happened with Japanese motorcycles and cars Vilifying and insulting people who form opinions based on historic facts is ignorant and unjustified. Looks like firms such as CFMoto are doing better than other Chinese brands have done so in the past. It was not that nobody made mid range DS bikes, it was that when they did nobody wanted them, the demand simply wasn't there in large enough quantity to justify production, from the CCM 404ds and 644ds to the likes of Suzuki DRZ400/DR650 and Kawasaki KLR650 they've been around for a very long time, not enough people wanted them back then.
In the meantime we have here in the US the Suzuki DR650 and the Kawaski KLR 650, also the unbeatable Honda XR650L. Yet I'm sure the the 450 MT will be launched in fall '24 here in the US, it will be selling in volume. Then the jury is out if it lasts. The US is a good battlefield for competition and consumer feedback.
Just to keep facts straight IF someone bases their opinion on CF Moto earlier adv motorcycles and firmly believes their were TOTAL pieces of junk? Well that is a CORRECT and HONEST appraisal and something CF Moto truly needs to acknowledge and do everything they can to win over those who experienced THAT level of junk. I do not give them a pass....they would have to dang near give me a bike now AND have like a 5 year warranty with guranteed local dealership verified to stock parts etc.....once burnt twice shy kinda thing....too many KNOWN quatity brands to trust money earning youtube channels
KTM/CFMOTO GAVE this guy the bike to ride yet in another breath he suggests it was all on his own dime no help....sort of a big fat lie as it is IS significant when you are given a motorcycle to test ....think they would give a reviewer more or more time on one if they knocked it? Major incentive to praise...maybe not direct cash payment but not having to BUY a bike to test it is effectively the SAME as getting cash...not having to PAY cash to get something EQUALS being GIVEN the cash to do the same....so come on word it RIGHT
KTM's real reason for submitting to the Chinese Communist Party controlled CF Moto was to increase profit Many Chinese bikes to suck, call me xenophobic, but BMW's recall of 5000 F800/850 models tells the take But this looks interesting but the dry weight is a lie, reputable testers who have done their homework have proven the claimed weight is underestimated I will test ride one of these, it's be an ideal cheap, ride until it dies commuter - which is what Chinese manufacturing is all about
Too many engine issues. I wanted one but chose the T7 for it's reliability but I have to say the Tuareg is a better value having tubeless wheels. Still no one is making the unicorn which in my mind is a 350 lb twin cylinder machine with around 50 hp. It would be an ultralite tuareg or T7 style bike, keeping the tall dimensions, strip the passenger accommodations and make it lighter.
Da bekommt man Videovorschläge zu Motorrädern die einen interessieren und denkt sich auf einmal: hä, die stimme kenne ich doch?! Viel Erfolg auf dem neuen Kanal Luke! Und auf jeden fall ein geiles Bike, hab mir vor kurzem die NK650 von Cfmoto geholt und es ist wirklich einfach Frei dem motto: Bang for the buck! Macht laune
I have One fear of chinese motorcycles - they evolve very quickly. Two years pass and model is replaced with something else and your bike without replacement parts is basicly useless with near zero resell value in the future. I have my eye on 450mt for some time now. Thinkin about selling MT07 for it. Also, I think few year back, there was rumors about KTM releasing duke or some other model with this engine but later it was scraped. Looks like there was some truth into it. Maybe KTM gave this engine to cfmoto as a part of the deal? We will never know. I think if this bike was made by yamaha and branded as little tenere it would sell even better (they still do becase they are sold out everywhere - people prepurchased everything even without seeing bike in person, let alone test ride). But for some reason yamaha would not make something like this becasue it woul probably cut down salef of standard t7.
It amazes me how heavy bikes (and cars) are these days. I used to have a 750cc Cagiva Elefant which didn't weigh much more than this. And I thought it was a real porker!
No cruise control but that's because that's not a ride-by-wire throttle. At least, it will be easy to repair in the middle of nowhere just like on the T7. 😃
I road the 450mt a couple of weeks ago and I’m impressed. Another con I felt was the biggest one was the snappie throttle. Hopefully they fix the tuning in the short future.
Says that other brands make bikes in China these days, then proceeds to list brands and bikes that are known for unreliability. Nothing against KTM, CFMoto, etc, but if you’re adventuring out into the middle of nowhere, it’s a disservice to not note the legacy of unreliability these brands have.
To claim it will suck because it's Chinese is nothing short of xenophopic in your opinion? Welp, I'm out... Next time please put your woke disclaimer at the beginning so people won't have to wait 3:24 before tuning out.
Send a couple to South Africa n I would love to put a test ride together.. got a incredible test of a 10 day gravel route Bring this beauty to South Africa please 👌😎
Correction: the weight stated in the video is wrong, as the German official CFMoto site got it wrong 😂. It is 175kg dry, so similar to the Royal Enfield Himalayan. The brakes are also not directly from Brembo as it turns out but instead from their spanish sub brand J.Juan. Sorry about that, annoys me to no end that I got that wrong.
Saw a post somewhere, the dude weighted the bike, total wet is 195KG
Yep, or close to it@@ganzmontejo4176
I think the biggest effect is rider weight. If you're over 100kgs, then every bike you ride will feel heavy 😅
@@bobz1736 the heaviest thing in a bike is the rider's ego 😁
The wet weight of the 450mt is 190+ kg
I've had my 450MT out here in Australia for about 3 weeks and absolutley love it!
I see heaps of them in Oz they look amazing :) and everybody is happy:).
Truly shocking cause back in time everybody was laughing from CFMOTO I guess not anymore good job :)
Enjoy the bike I will buy soon as well:)
Would you really recommend buying it? I want to buy it but I'm not 100% sure yet. 😢😢😢
A very constructive and unbiased review. I will purchasing one next year myself. I don't care about people's opinions on bikes made in China as they are pretty quick to dismiss how many things they purchase are made in the same country.
CF Moto are going to become major players quickly if the Japanese don't pull their socks up.
Keep up the good work and God bless. 👍🏿
Who cares if you buy from China. Good luck my friend.
Indeed, yes
I have 2 Hondas and according to Honda about 30% of their supply chain is in China. Hard if not impossible to buy Chinese-free bikes.
Great point of view❤❤❤
W for us riders. Let the competition begin!
I've had mine in Australia for a few weeks, and have done 1,200kms. Agree regarding the gearing being too short. I fitted a 15-tooth front sprocket (up 1 tooth), and that makes cruising at 110kph (max legal speed in Oz) much more comfortable, dropping by about 500rpm compared to standard, and making the speedo much more accurate. First gear becomes more usable, even off road, as the motor has a very good bottom end and mid range. I think a 16-tooth sprocket would fit if you were going to be doing a lot of freeway/autobahn riding.
For my height (170cm) it's very comfortable on the highway with the screen raised. I can easily reach the ground, unlike on the bigger adv bikes - I'd love a T7, but I just don't fit!
Other cons - from the factory the suspension is way too hard, but is easily softened. The fueling isn't perfect, being a little bit on/off at low speed - hopefully that will be fixed via software update. Yes, cruise control would be very nice, but it's a cable throttle rather than ride-by-wire, so that would require significant hardware update.
Could fit a Vista Cruise thumb lock cruise control, and it’s cheap.
Dont get your hopes up for software updated - its a fools promise just to sell you an incomplere product. Idea of updating the software is very nice but unfortunately it is very rarely used to benefit customers in the long run.
@@mnap89 Ummmm! Software update has been available in Australia for some weeks. Don't even have to take the bike into dealer - just do it with your phone. My issue with the MT is that it is still too tall for me even with the seat in low position. No dogbones so not easy to lower further.
@@mnap89 I own their 800nk, it gives regular updates so idk what u mean by its a fools promise.
@@mnap89 Wonderfully misinformed comment mate....
A short 1st gear is what you want when you go Off road, the absolute opposite of "pretty useless" I'd say. So that's another plus in my book
Sounds like you may have done some adventure riding 😂😂👍
True enough, but what I really want in an ADV bike is a really low 1st, low 2nd, lowish 3rd, normal 4th, slightly overdrive 5th and tall 6th. This arrangement only works with a torqy motor. Like this one!
This engine already has 3 existing variants. 450NK (Naked) 450SR (Sports) 450CLC (Cruiser) All of which has been out for more than a year.
New doesn't mean came out yesterday, it means new project, original engine, not borrowed from other brands.
@@ianmoone6562 he said “new” models coming out implying that this is the first variant for the bunch.
The weight is almost 195kg wet. People have weighed it in the UK.
@@nigelfisher6896Is English your first language? You don’t seem to understand a very simple post.
@@davidmatthews3093 He is right. What is your issue. Maybe it is you having difficulties with english language.
6:50 what you talking about? This is their 4th bike using that exact engine, it's not brand new, but it's 100% CFMoto's. The fact that they've used it on 3 other different bikes and the internet hasn't informed on red flags about them is a good sign.
People who complain about China made are living in a cognitive bubble,China gives what you pay for. You buy very cheap stuff ,you shouldn't expect something in good quality. Nowadays China for example has less issues with the commercial planes then Boeing,same with BYD cars or Huawei phones..the countrie isn't what it was 20 years ago! Alot of engineers that went to europe and the US,UK to study and have work eperiences are also returning to China since the future in China is much brighter and safer then that of the West. Many Western designers and engineers are going to China aswell,to build a business and progress. The saftey and quality laws in China are rapidly changing with its innovation in lead.
You're missing the main point. China does not share the west's values and seeks to subjugate us. I'd.rather pay more and have a clear conscience.
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@@nomekingg Yes you definitly won the conversation/debate 👈
Agree 💯
Damned right. Xiaomi phones are ace as well. EVs good. Bikes coming along , still fall short of the big 4 though
Sorry it's 196 kilo with fuel not 176 !
0:20 175kg wet? I think is 175kg dry so lets add 20-22kg more.. fuel tank capacity is 17.5l
I like cf Moto but will wait.
Depreciation reliability spare parts, let’s see if anything falls apart in 5 years or so. I love my Honda cb500x and they seem to hold their value and are used in the rental market with outstanding mileages.
Bro 175kg fully fueled is complete wrong! 😂
There is a lot of different information on this out there. A viewer of mine weighted his and it came to 179kg full. Not sure what is correct to be honest.
@@LukeHilbyi think Full is about 185kg. Hast du eigentlich auch Videos auf deutsch oder nur die übersetzten. Deine süd Europa Tour mit Camping sieht toll aus. Mache gerade den Lappen und will auch sowas machen!
@@LukeHilby we measure here in Portugal, fully loaded is 194,8kg
It's 195kg. 420lbs.
@HippieHoller If you weight 4.6 gallons of gasoline + 2 quarts of oil + 1 quarts of antifreeze it turns out it turns out to be about 15 kg. So 190ish kg sounds about right which is still pretty good compared to it's competition
I would consider 1st gear as similar to a Trial bike, so if You want to crawl superslow between the logs in trial style, I will take it as an advantage, while on Tenere one should slow down with the clutch to make the same manoeuvres.
Piñón de 15 o de 16 y de maravilla
A bigger screen is available
Don’t forget the important fact that the tires are tubeless ideal for off road. I like that there are OEM crash bars luggage racks and centre stand and taller seat available and accessories are quite cheap. Otherwise a great review thanks.
I think this will dent Honda's sales figures of their cb500x /nx500 range
This bike bike will slaughter Himalayan sales.
Leave it for The country of origin. These are bad and you will pay the cost when it lets you down
I am increasingly hearing good things about CFMoto.
Sure you weren’t compensated?Getting a loaner bike bike for two month sounds a tad like it?!
La CFMoto MT 450, posee potencia, buen equipamiento de serie, larga autonomía, actualizaciones vía app de móvil, tubeless, buena ergonomía, pantalla ajustable, tomas de energía, escape alto, capacidad de carga, subchasis desmontable, estriberas, cambio, y espejos retráctiles, suspensiones Kayaba largas solventes y adecuadas para uso mixto, electrónica comedida, altura de asiento polivalente desde solo 80 a 87 centímetros, filtros fácilmente accesibles, me parece bonita y sobre el papel buenos materiales y acabados honestos.
Es casi perfecta. Solo le falta para ser perfecta pesar 10 kilos menos, tener diez caballos más y ofrecer Quickshifter. Quizá la planeada KTM 490 Adventure, que nunca nació en India, hubiera sido así, pero más cara. Incluso los dormidos japoneses, tendrían que tomar ejemplo en cuanto a diseño y equipamiento de serie. Los fabricantes occidentales y japoneses, ya no quieren fabricar motos así de buenas y sencillas. (KLEs, XTs, DRMs-Zs, DRs, Pegasos, GSesitas monocilíndricas, etcétera). Ellos se lo pierden. Yo pasé por el infierno de las motos alemanas y sus numerosos fallos de juventud nunca resueltos, las bonitas pero infieles italianas, las fiables japonesas y ahora conduzco una austriaca hecha en India, voluntariosa, ligera, potente y polivalente. Probablemente, si los corrompidos políticos y sus aranceles no lo impiden, la próxima moto será china y será o se parecerá a la CFMoto 450 MT.
En mi opinión y tras 45 años de motos, salvo por su, para mí, excesiva altura de siento, la KTM 390 es la reina de la categoría y la CFMoto digna sucesora con motor bicilíndrico, más refinado de funcionamiento, aunque la MT, algo más torpe y pesada que la 390, que, en ese sentido, es lo más divertido, ligero y eficaz que he tenido en esta pequeña-mediana cilindrada trail. Llevo casi cuatro años y 30.000 km con la Kati 390 Adventure y en un añito, si la cambio, probablemente será por esta CFMoto 450 MT.
Saludos desde España. ✌
i dont understand why youre nitpicking the key or that it has no cruise controll? its a kove 450 with a downsized t7 engine its near perfect for this segment of adv's.
Mine has just arrived at the dealership. I can't wait to get on it and go and put my wheels off-road
I have been riding a CF Moto 700 CLX for 2 years now as a 2nd bike besides a big ADV bike. The bike does good. No issues, no surprises. As there is no dealership near, i do maintenance myself. The 450 seems to be just cool. I will soon do a testride.
... I weighted my 450MT, including 10 liters fuel, short licence plate holder and screen protection foil it weights 179 kg - weighted with two person scales and values added ...
Amazing, you must of got a prototype with an aluminium frame! There is videos on fb and TH-cam of them being weighed and they weigh 194kg
This bike should been the KTM adv 490
But...
☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕☕
KTM, KTM, KTM, KTM, KTM
With KTM logo on it, it would cost 25% more, so it would not make sell, because for $1500 more you could get T7.
@@asdfghjkl1755 i don't care
It should be KTM
I'm looking to downsize and get something more off-road capable, and this might just fit the bill.
I go to the CFmoto website and they don't even show any 450's??? what's going on there?
Great review 👌
The 450 is 175 kg dry not wet.
Keep up the good work :)
Chinese stuff..never!
I agree with your comments regarding dealership network here in the UK they are pretty sparse. I live near a major city with a KTM main dealer who doesn’t stock CF Moto so much for the partnership. The nearest dealer stocking these is about 100 miles from me which makes service and warranty trips unrealistic so no CF Moto for me currently 😢
The bike is 175kg DRY!. Fully fuelled with oil and water it comes in around 197kg. The same as Honda's NX500.
yes he said it on antoher platform, was mistake by ct moto on their homepage, he corrected it but that only became apparent later
Great review. I have the 800 MT and it's really great. Just made a 3000 km trip in Europe with start and finish in Sweden. Thanks!
how's the engine reliability, The original ktm engine the 800mt engine is based on had massive issues with the camshafts. wonder if they've fixed it ?
@@axeami1354 hi. I've had no issues at all with the bike. I think I've found the perfect combo of bikes. This Mt800 and my -23 Husqvarna 701 sm. One perfect for longer distances riding in comfort and one for commute, track and everyday fun.
I'm not for China here but I'd call a spade a spade. Whenever someone said disparaging things about Made in China stuff, I'd point out that there are only 3 countries running their own space stations: US, Russia and China.
That said, between the MT450 and RE Himalayan, I'd probably pick this one.
true plus mt 450 is a twin engine
So good when a new player enters the market. Looks like that KTM partnership will truly benefit the customer over the long run.
As an Australian I will never buy anything from china if there is another choice… would love something similar from another brand.
If any other manufacturer made exactly the same bike outside of china I would get it… the CCP can go get f’d
I always thought that but sooner or later we may have to, he does make the point that plenty of BMW, KTMs, Hondas are already built in China. Triumph in India, Hondas in Thailand, my twin cab Ute was built there as most are. My last new purchase was Moto Guzzi one of the few still Built in Europe, in the end does it matter?
@@pauls8456i had the gs850 build in China , what a piece of crap that was so i sold it, engine eating oil , electronic didn't work , rust bolts
@@chris-s sorry to hear that, hope your new bike is better….
Australia does about half of its trade with China. Despite xenophobic politicians prodded by America and UK to stop trading with them. You get value for money manufactured products no one else on the planet can produce so cheaply, they buy your commodities to turn into goods. Sounds perfect until the Mafia Hedgemon persuades / threatens our politicians otherwise.
Took this on a road test and was so utterly underwhelmed. Himmy 452 and Transalp were so much better on road and off.
The new 452 definitely is major improvement from the 411...surprisingly competent for the money. Receiving some excellent reviews (see BigRockMoto) Not yet available here in the USA
15/45 sprockets fixes the cruising 4om and still keeps it good for offroad
By the time he went on swearing the video is not sponsored i was finally sure it was.
Makes you wonder what the heck have other bike makers been thinking for last 10-15 years to cf moto do the righty
This or the Kove 800 are definitely on my radar. I tried building out a more dirt worthy Versys 300 with a KLR front end and custom rear shock but it just didn't have enough or the right power for me. My vstrom has 120,000+ miles on it so I'd love to move it to backup bike duty.
I think its fuel range anxiety and 5000 km service intervals would stop me from buying it. The spare part issue and quality problems have prevented me from buying it. I am going with the 450 Himalayan
We have a unicorn bike since 1990, the suzuki dr650.
165kg wet, cruising at 120km /h no problems, great maintenance intervals, highly customizable, great offroad with a suspension uograde and pretty comfortable with a seat upgrade
The dr650 is not available in Europe due to emission regulations. It’s only in the used market now
@@Pierre-louisGannethat sucks!!!!
DR650 is awesome but new ones aren't that great of a value considering all the upgrades you'd need to get it closer to something like this.
If you can get a used one with the upgrades already done though they are super solid
@TheParaxore well said, "Some people spend another 3k plus to get the dr650 a perfect bike" that's basically 10k after everything. You can buy a nicer bike with 10k that is already set up.
@@josechimal1358 true and not true, a "better" bike for what? 10k will get you a better street bike or 10k will get you a better lighter non street legal bike,sure!!!, but I challenge you to name 1 bike under 10k that is street legal lighter than 165 kg, as reliable as a a dr650, with better offroad performance than an upgraded suspension dr650 and able to cruise comfortably at 130 k/h. And long maintenance intervals as the dr650.
I see the 450 is great for offroad use but first, I need to get there after making some 600 km. So, the question is very, very simple: Can you cruise at 130 km/h during, say, 2 hours non-stop at a reasonable engine speed (RPMs) with enough power left to, eventually, overtake? Thx!!
Yes you can. I did change to a 15tooth front sprocket, and i can cruise at 135kph all day now. And i still have enough power left.
I got 1200 km on my in Poland. My other ride is the Rally 300 (in Indonesia). I bought the MT450 for European style ADV rides. The short gear box is a miss, I already have installed 15t front sprocket. That helps some. The off idle fueling is not good (thx euro whatever). Yes skid plate is paper thin. The exhaust is on a loud side, I guess I am old. If you care for your bike, 10k oil changes is bull shitit. Other than that, for the price or with that low price, it's an awesome side roads adv bike.
Jeśli możesz to prośba o podanie linku do oferty z wspomnianą zebatką. CF mam zamówiona ale po doświadczeniach z G310 GS wiem, że to będzie pierwsza rzecz, która wymienię a zamówiłbym już teraz :)
@ibol857 JTF656 15RB. The sprocket nut is tightened a lot. I had to go to a shop and borrow an impact gun. Make sure you eliminate as much of the throttle cable slack as possible. This helps with the off idle stumble somewhat.
I ordered my sprocket through the local bike shop.
@@pawelwolski1316 Thank you!
This bike needs probably both front and rear sprocket change to be useful in Europe. They should have just put longer six gear to solve the problem, I don't understand the idea of having torque fast reving engine and gear rations set up so close to each other just like in sport bike. I bet first gear is not very usable as well.
Pawel how does 450MT compare co CRF in your eyes?
Thoughts on this bike as a beginner for new riders? I was looking at the Honda NX500. Thing is I wanted a bike that was good off road as on. Thank you.
Many of the issues that the first journalists have mentioned about this bike on their first rides, can be solved by leaving the bike exactly as it is, but sticking a Husqvarna sticker on top of CFMoto's branding.
That's it,
would be nice if you could get them at the KTM dealer... Now the real question is do i want the CFmoto 450 or the KTM 790...
And CF Moto built the KTM 790/890 and now all the cams in those bikes are failing one after another.
Yes, looking forward to hear more about van configuration and reliability. Perhaps those cams are not as sharp ast the orange ones?
It seems that it's poor quality control, but it's really hurting KTM's reputation at the moment. One of my gripes is that the warranty is void if you do your own servicing, but I do know that in some countries (Australia for example), where the consumer has protection rights. A strange world we live in. Hey CFMoto, don't forget to build better cams, ya hear me?
@@Jonathan-Lcam issues were early bikes before CFMOTO has the KTM production line running. They are all unfortunately Austrian assembled machines.
@@twowheelpilot I appreciate your feedback twowheelpilot. It sounds like you've researched the matter. Guys like you are much appreciated. It's a shame that the cam issues occurred, especially out of the Austrian plant.
Not sure you need cruise control. The price would definitely go up, and you would then have "ride by wire" throttle as opposed to cables (which are easy to fix)
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Nice review! Although this bike is around 50lbs heavier than a 390 ADV.
My only beef with this commentary and "the gap between 300 and 700cc" is that Honda released the CB500X in 2013: this bike was absolutely ignored by international press until Honda, through various iterations, landed on a 19" front wheel to appease the Adventouring folks.
Then, the new XL750 Transalp was released and they had to remarket the smaller sister as NX500 which, strangely enough, looks a lot like this CF450.
Now it seems that the press embargo and stigma about A2 bikes has been lifted and everyone realized that you don't need 250+kg behemots to enjoy an adventure on your own.
Thank god, it was high time.
Honda does have the CB500X in the middle class for travel and adventure. It is right on under 200kg . I think that they are now called the NX500X . So it's an option that is out there. I do admit that the CF MT450 has a place and there is plenty of room for this and many more.
More reviews brother, ☝️I feel getting a real enduro, fe390 wr450 ktm 450 used is the way ,,you become a dirtbike mechanic,which is nice ,dropping oil is easy and a filter every 5 fills,,,,,
The thing keeping me away from this bike is the Suzuki DR650. If you put a better seat and bigger tank on the dr, it does everything this bike does and has as much or even more power.
IMO KTM shot itself in the foot by selling out to get into the Chinese market. I refuse to buy a "premium" brand bike that is manufactured in or has a good majority of its parts "engine" manufactured there. Why pay the premium when you could just get this 450 for example.
what I hate: single thumbers, tried it did not like, the fact that 6 foot people totally ignore smaller people's needs and recommend 890 mm seat height bikes, which is why I bought the kawa versys-x = 2 cylinder fitted with 40 HP w/ decent height 158 kg dry weight - that's my bike! As a former owner of a chinese bike I would be very carefull about the metal alloy quality =rust
They're just smart to put 🛢️ changes at 3,000 mi...it's STUPID to go 8,000 MI between 🛢️ changes, 🛢️ is cheap, engines are expensive AF. Most adventure bikes are so easy to change it's silly not to 👌
Can someone tell me if the CFMoto 450MT is comfortable enough for long rides? I'm planning a trip through Europe and wonder if this bike might be the deal for it. I am 6"5 (197cm).
Newbie here: 10:14 - how do you solve short end-gear? Difference sized sprocked? Isnt it makes you loose warranty? How do you do that, choose the matching sprocket? Thank you!
I want one... looks like later this year for the USA
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BTW 385llbs DRY?? for a 450?? THAT is a PIG! Yes nice pricepoint if THAT is what you cant live without....not me....not riding pricepoint crap when I can afford better.....but if this is you? Have at it and enjoy....whatever dude/dudettes
A 1 hr trip to see a dealer is not too bad at all, I live in a medium size city in New Zealand & my nearest BMW dealer is about a 5hr ride, so yeah 1hr is a luxury.
I guess it's all a matter of perspective.
I live in Novi Sad, Serbia and my CFmoto dealer is 10 minutes away.
An hour away sounds like forever to me.
"Xenophobic"?, More than a bit harsh, narrow minded and bigoted, the assumption that an item made in China is likely to be of a lower quality is based on nothing but past experience and has absolutely nothing to do with race/ethnicity, when they can shed to stigma of poor quality merchandise for a long enough period the facts will outweigh the historical memories and the stigma will fade away, just as it happened with Japanese motorcycles and cars
Vilifying and insulting people who form opinions based on historic facts is ignorant and unjustified.
Looks like firms such as CFMoto are doing better than other Chinese brands have done so in the past.
It was not that nobody made mid range DS bikes, it was that when they did nobody wanted them, the demand simply wasn't there in large enough quantity to justify production, from the CCM 404ds and 644ds to the likes of Suzuki DRZ400/DR650 and Kawasaki KLR650 they've been around for a very long time, not enough people wanted them back then.
In the meantime we have here in the US the Suzuki DR650 and the Kawaski KLR 650, also the unbeatable Honda XR650L. Yet I'm sure the the 450 MT will be launched in fall '24 here in the US, it will be selling in volume. Then the jury is out if it lasts. The US is a good battlefield for competition and consumer feedback.
Great review 👍
I think with the likes of CF Moto, the biking world will be a very different place in 5 to 10 years' time.😳
Just to keep facts straight IF someone bases their opinion on CF Moto earlier adv motorcycles and firmly believes their were TOTAL pieces of junk? Well that is a CORRECT and HONEST appraisal and something CF Moto truly needs to acknowledge and do everything they can to win over those who experienced THAT level of junk. I do not give them a pass....they would have to dang near give me a bike now AND have like a 5 year warranty with guranteed local dealership verified to stock parts etc.....once burnt twice shy kinda thing....too many KNOWN quatity brands to trust money earning youtube channels
Too bad in NL not €6999 but €7899 something like that
The moment I’ve heard the words “perfect adventure bike” in the first seconds of the video, I know this is a vlogger than a real biker. Next.
KTM/CFMOTO GAVE this guy the bike to ride yet in another breath he suggests it was all on his own dime no help....sort of a big fat lie as it is IS significant when you are given a motorcycle to test ....think they would give a reviewer more or more time on one if they knocked it? Major incentive to praise...maybe not direct cash payment but not having to BUY a bike to test it is effectively the SAME as getting cash...not having to PAY cash to get something EQUALS being GIVEN the cash to do the same....so come on word it RIGHT
Thank you very much man for the review! 👏🔥
KTM's real reason for submitting to the Chinese Communist Party controlled CF Moto was to increase profit
Many Chinese bikes to suck, call me xenophobic, but BMW's recall of 5000 F800/850 models tells the take
But this looks interesting but the dry weight is a lie, reputable testers who have done their homework have proven the claimed weight is underestimated
I will test ride one of these, it's be an ideal cheap, ride until it dies commuter - which is what Chinese manufacturing is all about
Buy a Aprilla Turang 660 ( still lighter , more powerful, better suspension, low seat height, cruise control AND better resale value.
Too many engine issues. I wanted one but chose the T7 for it's reliability but I have to say the Tuareg is a better value having tubeless wheels.
Still no one is making the unicorn which in my mind is a 350 lb twin cylinder machine with around 50 hp. It would be an ultralite tuareg or T7 style bike, keeping the tall dimensions, strip the passenger accommodations and make it lighter.
@@EverydayBronco-dh8hs Would be nice to have but will cost a lot more money.
Da bekommt man Videovorschläge zu Motorrädern die einen interessieren und denkt sich auf einmal: hä, die stimme kenne ich doch?! Viel Erfolg auf dem neuen Kanal Luke! Und auf jeden fall ein geiles Bike, hab mir vor kurzem die NK650 von Cfmoto geholt und es ist wirklich einfach Frei dem motto: Bang for the buck! Macht laune
haha danke dir! 😂
Why this bike not same with bike are lunching afew weeks ago at malaysia? mudguard front.. not same
Ktm motor and decently built frame... next comes to wiring electeonics and suspension. After that your all good.
I have One fear of chinese motorcycles - they evolve very quickly. Two years pass and model is replaced with something else and your bike without replacement parts is basicly useless with near zero resell value in the future.
I have my eye on 450mt for some time now. Thinkin about selling MT07 for it.
Also, I think few year back, there was rumors about KTM releasing duke or some other model with this engine but later it was scraped. Looks like there was some truth into it. Maybe KTM gave this engine to cfmoto as a part of the deal? We will never know.
I think if this bike was made by yamaha and branded as little tenere it would sell even better (they still do becase they are sold out everywhere - people prepurchased everything even without seeing bike in person, let alone test ride). But for some reason yamaha would not make something like this becasue it woul probably cut down salef of standard t7.
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can you directly compare mt450 with ktm390 adv? which will be more universal?
Yeah. Just switch traction control (on 40hp 450cc - stupid) to cruise control and abs front switch button… last is 175kg wet would be a sweet spot 🤫
Nice review, thanks. If the Chinese can do this, why can’t Suzuki update the (145kg) DRZ400…?
It amazes me how heavy bikes (and cars) are these days.
I used to have a 750cc Cagiva Elefant which didn't weigh much more than this. And I thought it was a real porker!
No cruise control but that's because that's not a ride-by-wire throttle. At least, it will be easy to repair in the middle of nowhere just like on the T7. 😃
I road the 450mt a couple of weeks ago and I’m impressed. Another con I felt was the biggest one was the snappie throttle. Hopefully they fix the tuning in the short future.
Says that other brands make bikes in China these days, then proceeds to list brands and bikes that are known for unreliability.
Nothing against KTM, CFMoto, etc, but if you’re adventuring out into the middle of nowhere, it’s a disservice to not note the legacy of unreliability these brands have.
You could potentially fit a throttle switch cruise control. I've seen a few people do that 🙏
what camera are you using?
To claim it will suck because it's Chinese is nothing short of xenophopic in your opinion? Welp, I'm out... Next time please put your woke disclaimer at the beginning so people won't have to wait 3:24 before tuning out.
👍. They are an interesting bike. Funny it took a Chinese company to be the first to produce a 400 - 500cc adventure bike.
Lucky man, super review, thanks.
Ordered mine 🤙
Send a couple to South Africa n I would love to put a test ride together.. got a incredible test of a 10 day gravel route
Bring this beauty to South Africa please 👌😎
Hey Luke, Why don't you do a review of the Royal Enfield Himalayan 450.
Rearview mirror, when using speed, can you see it (does it shake on highway)? foldable mirror
Interesting review. Maybe at some point I will change my Himalayan but not yet.
Are being really honest about the 450MT? sure you weren't paid by CF Moto??
I want to race one of these with my '19 cb500x I bet it would probably win 😂
What do you think about the QJ MOTORS SVT 650X ?
This bike brought me to you, and I think I've fallen in love with it. I hope I can own one someday.
450MT
"MT" and then the number is a YAMAHA thing
thx 4 the great review
How about part availability? Cause for example a honda tornado 250 has parts literally in every corner in world