God damn, smash summit is brutal and painful. Every loss just looks horribly painful for the person getting eliminated. Credit to all our competitors who put themselves through this for our entertainment. And much love to leffen, Cody, zain, and everyone else
That third game by Mang0 was nuts. He somehow woke up and started just controlling the match, making one of the other best players on the planet look mid-tier. Jayzus.
@@Prohxyy I'm talkin about Leffen lying about being abused, and lying about abuse others have done. Check out Evidence zip 2 or the new Technicals vids.
The plot armor of Mang0 is a sight to behold!!! It all started with the that- you know what I'm not gonna say it you gotta see it to believe it!!! A legendary set indeed!!!
Leffens been across the planet for the longest time and spends more time on other fighting games than most melee dudes and STILL remains relevant; the absolute VILLAIN of melee
I’m such a weird melee fan. I rock with mango obviously…but I root for leffen because I want him to come back as a new threat in the formula….a returning old foe. I want the story to be beyond zain and mango. I want wizzy kodorin leffen and a few others to show up and be like…yo…we play too bro.
Well for one thing it's faster because the movement is sped up and there's not a lot of lag after every input, also the advanced movement options and SHFFL aerials make it more reaction-based than ultimate. It's almost like the cod twitch shooter of platform fighting games.
@@NoctuaOlivae I think a big part is hitstun bc ultimate doesn’t have tons of endlag and stuff on moves, but most combos can’t go for as long as melee at all, so there are many more neutral interactions in a stock (which are typically less fun to watch than the combos/advantage)
@@morimementos That makes sense. I just gave up competing at ultimate because I dislike the gameplay. I'm too old to start playing Melee so I guess I'll just watch now.
Leffen is so close to being top 3 imo he cleans things up and he’s right up there with zain and mang0. As of rn though I think he’s placing probably like right under ibdw.
Leffen lost to first and second place in 3-2. That SHOULD be a lesson to not be THAT publicly salty about losses. I REALLY hope leffen cleans up his sportsmanship, but ive been here since 2009 and he's not gotten much better tbh. 16:00 seriously flailing your controller around when you lose is not acceptable.
Okay yes, all hail the Mang0, But IMa have to stop you right there. Leffen being so good in different games is absolutely insane, such a good match to watch
@@ln8496 sorry no. Love or hate him being good at multiple series of FGs is a much more impressive feat than one game in the same series that is the closest to Melee
@@TK-ev I really don't think 64 is anything like Melee. The closest relation to 64 in my eyes is probably Smash 4... Which isn't saying much of anything lol. I think Melee, Smash 64, and Brawl are all extremely distinct. Smash 4 is closest to Brawl, but is sort of a hybrid of the 3 in a sense. Ultimate is basically Brawl X Melee.
sooo good, they both looked a little rusty at parts. happy to see leffen playing against the best of the best again, I think he'll get better and better, but you know, mangonation!
I hate that Leffen is allowed to be a part of the community after everything, but at least I get to see him 4-stocked and reverse 3-0d. Makes it a lot better.
I wouldn’t even agree with that necessarily, the amount of times he threw himself into the corner to get shined once and nearly die (this probably happened 10+ times with a backair>shine on shield from Leffen) was a rough neutral gamble I don’t know the specific adaptation made but he definitely started closing stocks off of the neutral win. The edgeguards are a tossup because Leffen has good recovery mixups, and Mang0 didn’t seem to go for them as hard as Leffen (granted Falco’s dair has more risk and less coverage than Leffen jumping into a shine)
Every mang0 set is like watching uncut gems
*gets a shine* "this is how I win"
was literally just about to comment this hahaha
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Pretty sure Leffen is Adam Sandler and Mang0 is KG in this set
@@victoriamae1 Mang0 is the guy who shot Adam Sandler and his FIL
*These 2 ALWAYS have classics.*
Mango’s plot armor is the true GOAT of Melee, it has withstood so much for decades even a guilty gear player.
Mango must be a great athlete too?
@@Greatermaxim Mang0*
@@vicentesanchezjr.3877 Mang zero?
That moment when Leffen realizes that he’s a side character
Lmfao
Vegeta?
The moment when Leffen realizes hes just another villain for Mang0 to triumph over.
@@F3L3453 No Gary Oak
that as years ago, why you think hes such an asshole?
11:59 "My man's pixels away from a handshake"
- Brandon
Leffen was going off here, too. Legit thought the set was gonna be over
One of the best quotes in Melee commentator history
These 2 always manage to put on a phenomenal show. So happy that we get to see such exciting sets like this!
Mang0 vs Leffen is by far my favorite two players to watch face off. Literally EVERY set these two play is unbelievably close.
Big Leff vs the GOAT is my favorite too :)
Agree
I was gonna say the same thing. Somehow these two have the best chemistry when fighting each other
True. I don't remember which one, but there is a set where they basically 0-to-death each other and it's crazy.
Except at press start….. best example of mango feeling himself against leffen
God damn, smash summit is brutal and painful. Every loss just looks horribly painful for the person getting eliminated. Credit to all our competitors who put themselves through this for our entertainment. And much love to leffen, Cody, zain, and everyone else
This tournament is nuts man.
Finally, a balanced argument. Too many people root for Mango or Leffen. Or even Mango.
with all due respect i think ill leave out the love for leffen
Theres a prize pool not exactly only for your entertainment
@@Greatermaxim why r u upset people have a favorite? thats usually how competitive sports go lmao.
Its not a mang0/leffen set unless mang0 4-stocks leffen and it goes to last stock, game 5. This matchup delivers as always.
Man this one got my heart pumpin lol.
Every game Mang0 plays well haha
@@江建国-p9q yeah I'm rootin for him. He def hasn't played super well this tourney but he still fun to watch
16:18 you can the hear controller spike
That third game by Mang0 was nuts. He somehow woke up and started just controlling the match, making one of the other best players on the planet look mid-tier. Jayzus.
I'm not comparing myself to these players. Neither would Michael Jordan.
That 4 stock was disgusting.
Bro Phil is so inhumanly funny.
"THE CHEAP STUFF!!" I died laughing in game 4 lmao
So glad Phil is still around!
"Waaait.. Its not overrr..."
Phil- "Nah, its over."
I was feeling sleepy during the stream, but this set woke me up! Craziest set of summit 12 by far
15:40 the shine clank on the last game last stock is some serious DBZ shit
11:57 - 12:09 flashes of 100% leffen
wild burst right there
At the start of game 4, they both shined near each other and jumped out on the exact same frames.
Synchronized Melee strikes again
This would have been epic as grand finals. Goes to show the intensity of LB matches.
LB?
@@dinospumoni5611 losers bracket
two reverse 3-0 thats fkn tuff
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy
3 actually
Four 4-stocks from Mang0 lifetime.
That 4 stock comeback game by Mango was insane. Blew my fucking mind.
I dunno what was more entertaining, the match or Leffen's facial expressions XD
Great set, makes you wonder what peak Leffen looks like
lying about abuse to gain #MeToo clout, that's peak Leffen.
@@rumfordc Tf are you talking about
@@Prohxyy I'm talkin about Leffen lying about being abused, and lying about abuse others have done. Check out Evidence zip 2 or the new Technicals vids.
@@rumfordc Nah, peak Leffen is him ignoring everything and acting like nothing ever happened.
Peak Leffen 3-0's Armada at evo
What a sick set! They’re both SO GOOD.
Some flubs and drops, but so heart pounding. I love these their sets! Leffen looking fierce, crazy how he keeps up with the scene!
The plot armor of Mang0 is a sight to behold!!! It all started with the that- you know what I'm not gonna say it you gotta see it to believe it!!! A legendary set indeed!!!
This is the one set that had me on my feet from S12 .These sets are rarely boring
Mango was off this weekend but he really just refuses to lose when he has any gas in the tank at all. Even fumes.
It's amazing to me that Leffen is still invited to Summit. Insanity.
Did Leffen spike his controller at 16:20?
LOL fr
Sounds like it lol
People talk about game 4 Mkleo, but that game 3 was The Mang0. Those first two stocks were perfection.
I feel like every time scar says "THATS IT", it's never it
Mango vs Leffen is a rivalry no one ever talks about. They're sets are always hype.
Their
The most Mang0 fucking set ever
This is mangos world and we just live in it
Leffens been across the planet for the longest time and spends more time on other fighting games than most melee dudes and STILL remains relevant; the absolute VILLAIN of melee
Washedbox on the other hand 👀
yeoreum?
most hype set of summit 12 imo
I’m such a weird melee fan. I rock with mango obviously…but I root for leffen because I want him to come back as a new threat in the formula….a returning old foe. I want the story to be beyond zain and mango. I want wizzy kodorin leffen and a few others to show up and be like…yo…we play too bro.
iBDW def did that this tourney
Why is this is so much more fun to watch than smash ultimate?
Well for one thing it's faster because the movement is sped up and there's not a lot of lag after every input, also the advanced movement options and SHFFL aerials make it more reaction-based than ultimate. It's almost like the cod twitch shooter of platform fighting games.
@@NoctuaOlivae I think a big part is hitstun bc ultimate doesn’t have tons of endlag and stuff on moves, but most combos can’t go for as long as melee at all, so there are many more neutral interactions in a stock (which are typically less fun to watch than the combos/advantage)
@@morimementos That makes sense. I just gave up competing at ultimate because I dislike the gameplay. I'm too old to start playing Melee so I guess I'll just watch now.
@@tobymonger7884 too old?
@@brainbarz Yeah. I'm 30 and just don't think I can dedicate the time to getting good at a video game anymore.
The battle of good vs evil
One of the best sets ive seen in a longg time.
11:57 mang0 is a pixel off losing. Insane.
This set was so good!
The thing about bad guys, they always LOSE!
-Megamind
10:54 - Dang, Leffen makes some reallly entertaining faces while he's playing😂
Someone needs to make a compilation of all Mango's 4 stocks against Leffen.
"Everything can change just because of a few deep breaths" god I love Scar
i love how they talk about mang0 like he is the under dog, not the guy coming of a forced hiatus
The fact that leffen keeps up with these top players without consistently playing speaks volumes , hope to see leffen back in melee more !
Leffen was highkey best player in world at one point no one talks about it or admits it
@@juandeloera9924 3 years ago is a long time without really practicing much
Leffen is so close to being top 3 imo he cleans things up and he’s right up there with zain and mang0. As of rn though I think he’s placing probably like right under ibdw.
YOOO so dope, crazy set
I feel so bad for leffen. Still an incredible performance after not competing at this level for 2 years. Hopefully he's at genesis
16:18 is that a patented leffen controller throw I hear? lol
Flashbacks of Genesis 4 Loser's Quarters
15:02 s/o to TheRealThing
Leffen lost to first and second place in 3-2.
That SHOULD be a lesson to not be THAT publicly salty about losses. I REALLY hope leffen cleans up his sportsmanship, but ive been here since 2009 and he's not gotten much better tbh.
16:00 seriously flailing your controller around when you lose is not acceptable.
he did act like a baby but u sound like karen when u put it like that
@@crystalstar4001 "I agree but buzzword."
Nice.
@@nowool1999 you have a deficiency
@@hughmungus1888 Ironic.
It's kinda funny how much Leffen's expressions from set 3 onwards resemble Chillindude's from all these years ago
THESE SETS ARE NOT GOOD FOR MY HEART!!! MANGO LEFF SETS ARE TOO GOOD
never been happier to see mang0 win
There’s nothing I love more than to watch leffen lose :)
Okay yes, all hail the Mang0,
But IMa have to stop you right there. Leffen being so good in different games is absolutely insane, such a good match to watch
He ain't my boi sonicfox though no offense
@@F3L3453 who?
Its WAY MORE impressive that wizzy is better at smash 64 than he is at melee.
@@ln8496 sorry no. Love or hate him being good at multiple series of FGs is a much more impressive feat than one game in the same series that is the closest to Melee
@@TK-ev I really don't think 64 is anything like Melee. The closest relation to 64 in my eyes is probably Smash 4... Which isn't saying much of anything lol.
I think Melee, Smash 64, and Brawl are all extremely distinct. Smash 4 is closest to Brawl, but is sort of a hybrid of the 3 in a sense. Ultimate is basically Brawl X Melee.
What the fuck was that, holy shit. Actually insane melee.
16:19 he def threw his controller again
Definitely sounds like it
Goddamn leffen was coming out the gate HOT and mango still managed to pull through
the amount of reads in this set
That's the Mang0!
Mango the kid to backthrows ONCE last stock game 4*
Commentators: He sold out
🤣
every set of theirs is hype
CLASSIC MELEE LEEEEEEETSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOO
“Falco beats fox? Mang0 beats Leffen, ever think of that?” -MANG0AT
HMW and Phil AND Scar and Toph is the perfect commentary duo duo
NE0 was taking a nap the entire event up until game 3 down 2-0 vs Leffen.
Hbox threw his fight with Leffen just so he could let Mang0 destory him instead. That's my Smash Headcanon.
As bad as Mang0 has played, bracket looks very doable
“Not my GOAT” they said “Armada is better” they said
Technically Mang0 also played Guilty Gear
I’m gay lol
Nice
Negro is black in spanish.
Hilarious that leffen lost it wasn’t even close and he fkd up a hundred times
sooo good, they both looked a little rusty at parts. happy to see leffen playing against the best of the best again, I think he'll get better and better, but you know, mangonation!
These guys put on quite a show. Blink and you miss the whole stock.
Mango 4stocked Leffen ? Leffen raging at the end of the set ?
Are we in 2014 ?
Has it really been that long?
That game 4 was something else... mango has plot armor fr
Mango is so fast he could knock out Oscar De La Hoya during his prime. Wrong game, right idea.
Leff has the creepiest gamer face I've ever seen
mang0 was downloading on a 56k modem
can anyone tell me why fox didn't grab ledge at the end of game 4?
Them boys crackin it
absolute banger lolz
This is the real classic
I hate that Leffen is allowed to be a part of the community after everything, but at least I get to see him 4-stocked and reverse 3-0d. Makes it a lot better.
nice to see mango is still able to 4stock Leffen
"custom build-a-bair combo"
lmao gimme a timestamp for this gem
Leffen is the king of getting reversed 3-0ed
Great battle all the way! I was cheering for leffen because everyone in the video cheered for mang0... guess its because hes from the US
Nah it’s because nobody likes Leffen lol
y’all that’s not plot armor, that’s the MANGO
That game 3 just wow! Get shit on leffen
another mango leff match for the books
Does anyone know why Leffen didn't pick FD at least once? Feel like his chaingrabbing is really strong on there.
The kid woke up on game 3, damn.
How many times did big Leff get reverse 3-0d this tourney?
I noticed that mango has really good neutral this tourney but is dropping edge guards
I wouldn’t even agree with that necessarily, the amount of times he threw himself into the corner to get shined once and nearly die (this probably happened 10+ times with a backair>shine on shield from Leffen) was a rough neutral gamble
I don’t know the specific adaptation made but he definitely started closing stocks off of the neutral win.
The edgeguards are a tossup because Leffen has good recovery mixups, and Mang0 didn’t seem to go for them as hard as Leffen (granted Falco’s dair has more risk and less coverage than Leffen jumping into a shine)