Leffen playing like shit. But... I mean... there should be a lazer limit. Have you seen Fiction sets? or some sets below the top 100? the amount of lazers is insane
@@noirlavender6409 Limiting a players options in a game about options is never the answer imo. I understand camping is boring and lame asf, but regulating how players can play is a slippery slope. If it comes down to it, a character ban is the superior answer. Of course banning characters is also a slippery slope. If you ban Jiggs, then Fox and Falco are up next (respectively), which I think is not what any Melee player wants. So the answer is to just deal with it, no matter how lame the tactic is.
Leffen always is all talk, no bite, but to be fair he said a one-year time limit to implement such a rule. But in reality ... Leffen isn't gonna follow through.
@@CaptainFracture basically he just said, “bro ur trash, don’t even try to understand the amalgamation of genius that is my own understanding of melee, L + ratio.”
Dude I LOVE the stats at 12:35. This is so legit. It tells a lot about the set, most common kill move with # is an awesome idea and cool stat. The lowest % kill, and total % is great to know, 1450 to 980.. basically Leffen only applied 2/3rd’s of the damage but he got those handful of quick shine kills.. I like that! I hope that becomes a regular addition!!
very fun to hear plup on the mic because he talks so fluently about both the micro interactions and broad character theory. helps you look for certain things that players are doing to win the match that are almost invisible to the average idiot (me)
One of the biggest things from this set is how pretty much every time Leffen tried to spam up tilt in neutral, Mango would bust his ass for it. Things like uptilt in place with fox seem like some staple safe thing but Mango shows it’s not safe and can be heavily punished.
Watch Mango vs Leffen Apex 2014 if you haven’t. First melee tournament I watched live. The first time I watched melee was M2K vs Mango Apex 2013 on youtube. Waited for the next Apex and it didn’t disappoint.
Why? Plenty of characters have safe projectiles, Dr Mario for example can safely spam pills and nobody complains about it. The same goes for Mario, both links with bombs and ice climbers. If your argument is that falco is a faster character then that really doesn't hold any weight.
That CoinBase commercial saved Leffen from the tongue lashing of a lifetime 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh my Gooooood Mango had the self control to avoid the Mic immediately post set but he couldn't hold it in by the 16:05 minute mark. Mans was about to let it RIP
These sets (like physical sets, with the decorations and shit) are crazy and I can imagine the players prefer the isolation from viewers being right behind them… but I miss the house-style tournaments Smash Summit used to do. Just felt like a bunch of people hanging out at a rich friend’s house ordering a bunch of food and playing games-in stark contrast to the huge venues and stuff, it felt comfortable and intimate. Yes this looks more professional, which is good for the Melee scene-but it also feels a little more corporate and less personal.
This is really great commentary. It’s good that people have fun and laugh, but sometimes they miss so much of what’s on screen. Like insane play without any mention just to keep on some side conversation, it’s stupid and I feel it’s disrespectful to the level we are witnessing. Anyway, looking forward to watching more sets!
Leffen : "There should be a laser limit with Falco"
honestly just beat leff cuz falco is an easier character, 3.5 difficulty right? B)
Leffen playing like shit. But... I mean... there should be a lazer limit. Have you seen Fiction sets? or some sets below the top 100? the amount of lazers is insane
I wish we could make falco faster and slow down the amount of lasers
@@noirlavender6409 Limiting a players options in a game about options is never the answer imo. I understand camping is boring and lame asf, but regulating how players can play is a slippery slope. If it comes down to it, a character ban is the superior answer. Of course banning characters is also a slippery slope. If you ban Jiggs, then Fox and Falco are up next (respectively), which I think is not what any Melee player wants. So the answer is to just deal with it, no matter how lame the tactic is.
@@sunflowertheog fox is the hardest character, ofc leffen would lose to an easier one
We need a falco down smash limit
The ritualistic dunking on Leffen in the comment section is my favorite part of watching his games.
Leffen: There should be a 'better player than me' limit
😂😂 relentless
Only thing I enjoy more than a Mang0 win is a Leffen loss.
A special 2 in 1 set
Real
Love it
Mango vs leffen is always hype regardless of outcome. Love the trash talk after
I thought leffen wasn’t going to play in any tournaments if they didn’t have an airtime limit. 🤔
You are new to the melee community uh ?
Leffen always is all talk, no bite, but to be fair he said a one-year time limit to implement such a rule. But in reality ... Leffen isn't gonna follow through.
If you don’t know by now, Leffen isn’t exactly a man of his word. So no surprise.
@@strylon2277 I'm completely new, all the comments are shit talking Leffen, is he just an asshole or is it a meme
To be fair he did say "after this year" in that comment, not that I'm defending him
The adjustment from Mango after game 1 to let leffen approach him cannot be understated. When Mango plays smart and to not get hit he's unbeatable.
What are you talking about he was approaching leffen just as much
@@CaptainFracture You clearly don't understand the nuances of the neutral game but it's ok
@@CaptainFracture basically he just said, “bro ur trash, don’t even try to understand the amalgamation of genius that is my own understanding of melee, L + ratio.”
There is no neutral game this is a party game not a fighting game. Smash is for children and their predators.
@@ricflair8907 so true ric XD
This put a genuine smile on my face.
I love mangos mini pop off when he sees leff look away very respectful way to not rub it in
plup commentary is always such a treat
Dude I LOVE the stats at 12:35. This is so legit. It tells a lot about the set, most common kill move with # is an awesome idea and cool stat. The lowest % kill, and total % is great to know, 1450 to 980.. basically Leffen only applied 2/3rd’s of the damage but he got those handful of quick shine kills.. I like that! I hope that becomes a regular addition!!
My fav. Matchup the last few years. Rarely disappoints
If chess was made today, people like leffen would be saying “this map sucks”, and “queen is too powerful, please nerf”.
so basically youre comparing leffen to bobby fischer
@@purpsheik2975 essentially.
Not quite of the same level of dominance, but good enough.
Man lef talks SO much shit, always nice to see him stomped. I'd say humbled, but if everyone but his fans hating him hasn't done it, nothing will.
Cluster b personality disorders will do that
he's incapable of humility so that doesn't help either.
very fun to hear plup on the mic because he talks so fluently about both the micro interactions and broad character theory. helps you look for certain things that players are doing to win the match that are almost invisible to the average idiot (me)
The top players always feel like the best commentators to me, they just see the game in a different way
This match up is the soul of melee
One of the biggest things from this set is how pretty much every time Leffen tried to spam up tilt in neutral, Mango would bust his ass for it. Things like uptilt in place with fox seem like some staple safe thing but Mango shows it’s not safe and can be heavily punished.
Waiting for lef to demand a falco laser limit. Such a sore loser.
Top 9 Dumb Leffen Moments
always love mang0 vs leffen , genesis 4 was the first melee set i ever watched :)
incredible set omg
@@AwesomeJimJam it got me so fucking hyped even though i had no clue what was going on lol
That set is the one thing that comes to my mind when I watch any mango vs leffen set. May be my fav set of all time.
Watch Mango vs Leffen Apex 2014 if you haven’t. First melee tournament I watched live.
The first time I watched melee was M2K vs Mango Apex 2013 on youtube. Waited for the next Apex and it didn’t disappoint.
Always a banger between these two. Big Leff catching a few too many metal legs this time.
"big"
Seeing all the leffen hate in the comments warms my heart.
tbf mango's falco - leffen's fox is 60-40
We need a Leffen losing sets limit
Love any melee memes. Melee forever
Down smash most common kill move with falco 😂thats hilarious. What a guy
Including the post set conversation is appreciated
Mango is abusing the rules.
how do we stop him
falco needs a laser limit
Why? Plenty of characters have safe projectiles, Dr Mario for example can safely spam pills and nobody complains about it. The same goes for Mario, both links with bombs and ice climbers. If your argument is that falco is a faster character then that really doesn't hold any weight.
@@MrAwsomeman102LOL you took the bait
“Don’t let me on the mic” LOL
LETS FUCKING GO MANGO
let's normalize using the worst images for leffen in thumbnails
thank you mango
Leffen looks like he's in his 40s
He looks like hes a butch woman in her 40s and a 13 year old boy at the same time
all that shitposting takes a toll on a person's body
I thought Leffen wasn't playing anymore because nobody took him seriously.
That 11th placed player is pretty good
I could listen to plup character theory all day
The Goku & Vegeta of Melee
Good thing Leffen will be sticking to SF6 and Strive in 2023.
That CoinBase commercial saved Leffen from the tongue lashing of a lifetime 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Oh my Gooooood
Mango had the self control to avoid the Mic immediately post set but he couldn't hold it in by the 16:05 minute mark. Mans was about to let it RIP
love this set
I'm always there for leffen Ls. All the real ones hate leffen
These sets (like physical sets, with the decorations and shit) are crazy and I can imagine the players prefer the isolation from viewers being right behind them… but I miss the house-style tournaments Smash Summit used to do. Just felt like a bunch of people hanging out at a rich friend’s house ordering a bunch of food and playing games-in stark contrast to the huge venues and stuff, it felt comfortable and intimate.
Yes this looks more professional, which is good for the Melee scene-but it also feels a little more corporate and less personal.
Summit used to host like 3-5 events a year, now they do like 9+
Cant afford to rent that mansion year-round lol
@@Sapreme I think their new setup is actually probably *more* expensive than the house they rented/owned!
Yeah the house was fucking dope
It's mainly because fans are disgusting and feel the need to shit on the loser.
@@MrAwsomeman102 what?
Loving seeing Leffen lose
Mango fucking shit up with the sandals let’s goooo
Zain Plup commentary?
Hell yeah!
Now we need them commentating in jorts.
THAT'S MY GOAT
Plup/zain commentary is poggers
Also the double audio from the game is driving me nuts.
That pink TSM jersey is so fire actually.
Plup came @ 6:57
Whatever happened to M2K? I know armada retired for speed running but I haven’t seen much from him online or offline.
The commentary is as good as the gameplay 👌
That's my goat
Maybe Hax isn’t crazy
Edit : Hax is crazy
why is leffen still a thing
Leffen & Mango: we didn't age well did we..
That last f throw into double laser was money
Damn mango shat all over leffen with the 3-1
Ban falco down smash
Forward throw into lasers is impossible to beat. I think we need a limit on that guys.
damn i really like plup commentary
Big lef: respect your elders amirite
Big lef after a loss: justify why an older player beat his ass
I'd pay extra for plup commentary
Plup's great on the mic.
Leffen: "Falco - Fox is 60-40"
It's so satisfying watching laffen walk away defeated.
Why?
@@woonuel4506because he's a douche with a stupid haircut.
@@woonuel4506 Don’t mind it, melee players are often kinda insane lol
@@backfloop glad to see you understand how insane leffen is
@@backfloop it's normal for people to rejoice when a dickhead bully gets his ass beat
'dont let me on the mic'
plup zain commentary makes me so happy
they went to break but mang0 wanted to talk some shit about the match lol
If leffen would have been the falco, he would have been crying for a shine-spike limit
Let’s go Mango
wonder what the excuse was this time from William
Why nobody commented about this tech… 5:31
For real though can we get a down air limit on falco?
Mang0 didnt even dair that much
For future games of course
Aint fox top tier
@@deafbyhiphop no 1 infact
What is he gonna say this time?
Mango is such a beast.
Of course Leffen was sponsored by FTX
Ok but only the goat mango can sit so fucking weird on the chair like that
*Grabs popcorn*
How is leffen still allowed to enter tournaments?
When these 2 play, the earth shakes a bit.
goat!
The goat.
They are 17-13 wrong stat
that tech at 5:30 tho :o
Lol, what a great game, both flawless players and executions we're amazing.
Love that leffwn is representing the lbtq community. By being gay
This is really great commentary. It’s good that people have fun and laugh, but sometimes they miss so much of what’s on screen. Like insane play without any mention just to keep on some side conversation, it’s stupid and I feel it’s disrespectful to the level we are witnessing.
Anyway, looking forward to watching more sets!
Wtf laboratory are they playing in? Lol.
People still play this game?
Maybe if there was a laser limit on Falco Leffen could have won 🤣🤣
Yo leffen, unplug ur controller dawg
🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂🧂 salt city baby
The g0At
lfg
I think leffen would look better as a natural brunette.
😈
Leffen nows its gonna compalin about falcon's lasser and hope it get ban
Big Lef??? Nah I prefer Bib Mang