Michael Jordan's not the one who underrated Scottie Pippen - Wilbon reacts to Pippen | NBA Countdown
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- Michael Wilbon, Stephen A. Smith, Jalen Rose and Mike Greenberg join NBA Countdown and discuss Scottie Pippen's comments on Michael Jordan and "The Last Dance" in his new book.
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Didn't Mj call Scottie "his greatest teammate of all time" in the documentary? I never thought Mj disrespected Scottie
MJ also said you cannot mention MJ's name without Scottie Pippen. MJ has always respected Pippen.
Yeah but MJ did Scottie dirty in the last dance doc. The whole doc reflected on Scottie really badly, MJ should have not allowed some of that stuff to go in if he liked Pippen or considered him a friend.
@@mohammadakhtar6941 Like what?
@@mohammadakhtar6941 he didn't do anything to Scottie ....smh in that last dance ...
@@mohammadakhtar6941 plz explain because all of that was Scottie’s self doing not MJ’s. You want MJ to not acknowledge it even though it was the story of their season
“ Scottie was the greatest teammate I’ve ever had” “ I don’t win 6 championships without Scottie” “Scottie was always my go to guy” “ you can’t mention Michael Jordan’s accomplishments without Scottie in there”
yeah i remember when jordan said that
I really didn't pay any attention to this until Stephen A pointed out something...when you think about it Pippen has a bad track record of making bad decisions...from contracts, sitting out in the last few seconds of a close game, his personal life and etc...I think he's salty and mad because he didn't have the success off the court like he thought he should have had...the one thing I like about MJ...he's quiet and allows his success to speak for him...his game, his shoes, the only former NBA player who actually owns a team and he's worth 1.6 billion dollars...and he NEVER talks about himself.
Well when you have an army of fans......(and I say army because he has fans that will shoot you for his shoes)
@@mg19cal Yeah, but he didn't get that army of fans by talking about himself. He went out and earned his fans, just like anyone else needs to do if they want fans.
Wish I could like this comment more than once! This is spot on…
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@@ScottyShaw Mike had advertisers to talk about him... and pay him to talk about him. They just did it! Like Mike!
Michael Jordan never said a bad word or comment about Pippen. Michael has said if it wasn’t for Pippen there would be no Michael Jordan. Jordan gave his enshrinement speech introducing Pippen as a member of hHOF with tears of joy. Wilbon is telling the truth about Michael never disrespected Pippen. The Last Dance was a documentary that bought to light negative things Jordan, Pippen, Phil Jackson and Rodman did. However it also showed many great things each men was about.
Scottie is trying to sell books & ESPN is doing a good job of helping him do that. Lol
Who will buy that sour grape book. Backfire
@@toveycen4668 More than people without all this talk. He's got people talking about him.
Nailed it! Publicity 101 ( Don't forget the Wine )
He left espn when he started these comments. Do you honestly believe he would LEAVE his job of being on tv every week to sell a book? Don’t be stupid.
This coming out bc it's in the book....
I loved The Last Dance. I did not conclude Jordan elevated himself. No one who eyewitnessed their tenure believes Jordan did it alone. Everyone knows what Scottie, Grant, Longely, Cartwright, Paxson, etc. brought to the table.
You skipped Rodman?!
I don't know what documentary Pippen saw 🤣
@@Lappelduvideify Toni and Kerr
No BJ?????
@@mrflynn01 Of course. He was VITAL! I just didn't mention his name.
Definitely did not think any less of Scottie after the documentary, if anything I’m thinking less of him now for doing this. I think he let these all time player rankings get to his head. It’s really low for him to call out MJ publicly instead of addressing his issues privately. Scottie doing this makes him look bitter and salty, not a good look.
Agreed! Facts! 💯
Calm down he’s just trying to sell his book
True same here
I think Scottie Pippen was scared that Jordan a brutally honest person was going to air everything that the team had gone through on the documentary. The area he didn't wanted to be shown was his own actions and how he placed himself above the team.
This book of his also showing that all these years Pippen hasn't changed and he only thinks about himself. He talks about Jordan being selfish but if you're a selfish person you naturally start pointing out others of being selfish; because, you know firsthand how being selfish really looks like.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽Well put.👍🏽
I actually respected pippen more after the last dance. This just proves that he never learned from his bad decisions.
Scottie meant to say “I couldn’t believe my eyes… I had to re-live terrible and embarrassing decisions I had made on prime time tv with my sons sitting next to me. All because Michael wanted to tell the raw and complete story of a legendary team on a legendary run.”
MJ has always appreciated Scottie as far as I know. Even called him the greatest teammate he ever had.
Scottie was literally his first pick to create a team, picking top 4 people that will play with him. He literally picked Pippen, before Magic, Hakeem, James Worthy.
Michael Jordan always gives Scottie respect. He mentioned him and thanked him in his hall of fame speech! smh!
Michael Jordan could've been born in any year and he would've dominated in ANY era because he's MICHAEL JORDAN. You can't bottle up the GOATness he had. He'll always excel in any year, in any universe.
no he didnt. His first three years he didn't get past the first round
@@georgebrady5369 LeBron couldn't even make the playoffs his first two years
@@georgebrady5369 that’s not an indicator of GOATness. Believe me, guys like MJ, Bron, Kobe, Duncan, Magic, Kareem, Hakeem etc. would be great in ANY era
@@georgebrady5369 Then Leflop is worse,he can’t make the playoffs 3 years.
@@ericlee597 You must be 5. Talk hoops or dont comment, stop being a fanatic.
Without MJ we wouldn’t even be speaking about pippen . God bless MJ and the bulls . What a team
Lol you've got to be kidding. While MJ was gone playing baseball, Pippen showed he was the best player in the NBA the whole time. He would have gotten WAY more attention if he hadn't been playing #2 behind MJ for most his prime.
@@lightbeforethetunnel a shame he wasted that and in less than 2 years was begging Jordan to return.
@@lightbeforethetunnel lmfao what?
@Viper Records without MJ Scottie not even a 7x all star 🤷🏾♂️
@Viper Records MJ absolutely did not ever say that in his life. He said when talking about himself you should always talk about Pippen
Scottie wouldn’t have that home in Southern California without MJ
You don't know that
🙄🙄 that's a dumb statement
Justin A That’s a flat out foolish statement.
It’s true. Pippen was just raw talent when he was drafted. He was terrible. MJ helped him become the great player he became
@@jaycub8077 Scottie made himself a great player. Which is why as a GM and owner mile could not have made anyone better.
It's actually really sad it has led to this. Michael & Scottie are the greatest basketball duo of all-time. Even Kobe admitted this. They won 6 titles together. And the other half wants a divorce because of a documentary.
Right! The greatest bball duo at any level! Pippen was a good player, but he's not a top 5-10 player & he's got an issue with that for some reason. He's def top 20-25 & I agree with Wilbon saying Pippen is one of, if not the most underappreciated player we've seen.
Scottie is a crybaby
@@lnss8775 His issue is that ESPN/Fox leading into social fans disrespects players like him when it comes to players like Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, magic, Shaq etc
@@jayplunks cuz he's not in that conversation! I can name 6 other players to make a top 10 & Pippen ain't even in that. Top 20-25 maybe, but no where near top 10.
@@lnss8775 I’m confident I didn’t say he was. What I said is the media and social media due to the media never gave players like him, wade, Kobe (when he was with Shaq), Parker, Stockton…the typical robins of the team there just due. Unless you’re a Iverson, Barkley, Harden, even KD, Chris Paul type players that are “cool” with the media then you can see why the former players are bitter. Is Pippen taking too hard? Definitely but he has a point and creating the conversion. Jalen Rose is even showing it by trying to calm SAS down.
What else do you need when you’re mentioned in Michael Jordan’s HOF speech 🎤 with out Scottie Pippen there is no Michael Jordan. That should have done it there.
He probably should take that back. He should say, “I should have let Krause trade him for Shawn Kemp & make a deal forT-mac… I would have won 6 more…”
Jordan 30.1 Pippen 16.1 career.....I think both have what they deserve 😐
Yo that's bullsh** MJ was already know as one of the greatest in the game when he was playing with out Pippen...Just ask Larry Bird
So MJ has repeatedly called Scottie is greatest teammate and even said he won more because of Scottie. The Kukoc game was something the other teammates talked about. Each teammate got a chance to discuss in their own episode. Scottie was asked about that game and said he would do it again. (That's on you Sir) He needs to chill with this BS that MJ disrespects him when ANY time Scottie's name comes up MJ always shows love. But some of the things he did were shady in a team dynamic. Own that bro! MJ said he did some things wrong but at the time felt he needed to do to win.
He's just selling books. Scottie has said repeatedly that Bron is not even on a level to be mentioned with Mike, he's "more like Magic" was his exact words. Scottie is just selling books now.. quick pay day
Punch a teammate? As great as Jordan was, it doesn't excuse the way he treated people around him. LeBron isn't doing that kind of stuff. If social media was a thing back then, Jordan wouldn't have gotten away with it like he did. He'd have to tone it down and be more respectful.
@@curtsiekert it’s clear you haven’t been on many teams.. athletes not named Lebron don’t actually care what the media thinks.. Lebron needed the media to get his name next to Mj, Kobe, Magic etc ..
But I’ve fought many teammates in both football and bball. You could choke ppl on camera in the 90s and finish the game.. Hockey players sometimes stop playing Hockey, just to fight.. it comes with being a great competitor and isn’t frowned upon..
@@DamienEarth You're probably right. Back then you were also able to smack your woman and strike fear into her to keep her from leaving you and that stuff didn't get out either.
The great ones elevate others and inspire them. They don't tear them down and demean them.
@@DamienEarth Wasn't LeBron on the cover of SI while still in high school? He was ALREADY elevated before he ever set foot on an NBA floor.
Scottie didn't tell his kids about the migraine game, About sitting out when Phil chose Toni to take the game winner after he bricked up the prior two shots. He didn't tell his kids show he side hated on Jordan.
Pippen i pray he be ok. Since his Wife cheated on him and his Son passed. He been going through somethings. Prayers up for him. Jordan has never called himself the GOAT. Pippen knows that. He also gave Pippen the Ultimate Compliment. Sad Man
The film gave Pippen the Ultimate Compliment? I don't get that impression. 50% about Pippen in the film is negative.
Yea he been going thru it. I hope his book does well
@@sjsupa Is it MJ's fault that Pippen had TANTRUM for he is NOT selected to take a last shot? (and called Phil RACIST for that)
Is it MJ's fault that Pippen SIGNED a BAD contract?
Maybe He should make his OWN Last Dance docu and NOT include all his BAD stuff and TELL ALL the BAD stuff MJ has.
@@GODISGREAT_12 Burning BRIDGES for a BOOK?
Hope it made him a BILLIONAIRE...
@@kamotetops1572 Confucius said, “What you don't want done you, don't do to others.”
Pippen should not make a docu to TELL ALL the BAD stuff MJ has.
I'm a barber and one of my clients that's in high school was talking about the doc and he said "I didn't realize Scottie Pippen was that good" the doc actually did the opposite of what he's saying, it actually made kids today appreciate him more
Jalen throwing that future shade lol out of no where hahah
He trying to play devils advocate.
Everyone on that panel is on MJ side.
@@noah2339 tf are u talking about? the comment was about future the rapper banging scottie's wife
Lmfaooo
The Jordan vs Lebron debate was put to rest during The Last Dance, when the camera zoomed in on Jordan's Porsche while he was leaving the arena, and his vanity plate simply read "A I R"
FACTS ... I'm not a LeBron hater or anything. I've always been a fan, but he ain't MJ. Could you imagine simply saying the word "AIR" and probably half the people on Earth knowing who that means? And people talk about 6-0, but it could've VERY easily been 9-0 or at least 8.
FACTS
@Greg OstertagI think that call was made in the second round not the conference finals. Also let's make this clear that blown call was made to protect the legacy of mj.
@Greg Ostertag scottie was 3rd in mvp voting that year too, scottie would have won a chip if Jordan wasn't there, Jordan would have never won one with scottie
@Shaneosaurus Gaming If you don't consider Michael Jordan as a Goat. I have a video that shows just that. If see it might change your mind or prefer show it to others. Search for this title : Goat debate of Michael Jordan ends here. Only this video shows it in thoughtful. Copy and paste the entire wording for the search.
Jordan be talked about in 2021 in a current NBA season presently He still the greatest!!
Nope...ESPN
Jordan pushed Scottie to reach greatness. Question is, if Scottie never played with Jordan would he have still achieved greatness?
I say no.
Scottie don't have the heart Micheal had if he had went to the original team he was to go he would be another mediocre player, Harper is a better player than Scottie but his knees, Speewell another player better than Scottie, unfortunately he went to Mike team n that's all the help Jordan needed with a cast, even the championship game against Utah if Jordan sat that last game Chicago would have lost that game
No doubt
No
Agreed
You know basketball 🏀 bro. I have the tape where a young Scottie Pippen SAID basically the same thing. That he wouldn’t be the player he was if not for Michael Jordan. Dudes a disloyal bitter clown and now looks to blame others who helped achieve greatness because he made so many poor decisions! “F” Scottie Pippen!
Scottie seems like the kind of person who will talk about you behind your back and smile with you to your face when he has a problem with you.Jordan seems like the kind of person who will talk to you to your face in front of other people to see it when he has a problem with you, but won't talk about you behind your back if he respects you.
This is dope because all 4 of them have their own shows
Nobody watches Wilbon’s show
I love when Jalen gets militant, he comes off as whiny and then you get to see his white wife on First Take. He's as soft as Scotty was.
@@mikeyirish7203 because of his white wife he feels he has to be more militant. Notice he says what ever black twitter says.
He's a tool, he's a soft, sensitive woman, who's trying to be something he's clearly not, and has no ability to think for himself. Reminds me of Tekashi69.
@@billymanziel5666 I watch PTI, Still the best show on ESPN, and they don't feel the need to do "Hot Takes" to sell it like every other dope "analyst" on there. It's all about youtube clicks now. Nick Wright is the fking worst.
Every single NBA player in history takes a back seat to MJ it's ok you can still be Legendary behind MJ
Blaming MJ for saying what he thought about the Knick game. The fact that Pippen had a bad deal was on him.
Scottie guarding Magic was probably his greatest playoff highlight and that was included in Episode 4. But again, Scottie never had a signature moment like Paxson and Kerr had.
And even then, people have debunked the myth that Pippen guarded Magic for the majority of the series. Pippen was only switched onto Magic because MJ was in foul trouble. For the majority of the series, MJ was responsible for guarding Magic.
Granted, Pippen probably had more success with guarding Magic compared to Mike.
@@baka825 why ?
@@datboielijah1234 Why what? It's the truth.
@@baka825 but isnt jordan a wayyy better defender than scottie ?
@@datboielijah1234 Not way better, they're different. MJ was more of a gambler and nimble, where as Pippen had the size and speed to deal with bigger players. Magic was huge and elusive. This is what made them the greatest duo, both on offense and defense. On top of that, having the offensive assignment probably wore down MJ. If I am not mistaken, MJ, outside of Magic, is the only player to have averaged 10+ ast in a finals series. His averages were insane that series, especially the ast numbers.
Pippen made more then Jordan!? U didn't see Jordan blaming Pippen or sitting out games. Jordan was the most under paid athlete of all time until his last few years 🤦♂️
Yep. Jordan's last 2 years was basically some backpay for all the years he was underpaid. Even that wasn't enough.
Pippen didn’t make more than Jordan that was the issue and why he signed that contract 7 years 18 million and he signed it because Jordan had a 8 year 25 million contract before those last two contracts…they weren’t going to pay him more than Jordan
@@pedrogates3189 Not with his deals in Houston and Portland??
@@hoochymama I’m not talking about His Houston deal the last contract he signed with the bulls before he got traded to Houston was a 7/18 million dollar deal …after the 98 season they did a sign and try with Houston for 6/ 84 million after that season him and that contract got traded to Portland
Right. Scottie over the course of his NBA career made more than Jordan. Scottie sight that 7 year deal and was underpaid. He got a huge contract at the end of his career and was way over paid. It evened out. Scottie made enough to never go broke (if he managed it well).
This is sad one of the greatest duos ever and Scottie is throwing the goat under the bus. Shameful
Do you mean he’s trying to throw the greatest player out of the bus, he’s not succeeding at all 80% of the comments are against him
Jalen didn’t have to bring up the Rap song stuff 😂😂
I made the blogs with ya b*tch cuz I’m ruthless ! -Future
🤣🤣🤣
Jalen's a b*tch. He whines about C. Webb the same way Scotty whines about Jordan. Except Scotty was a great player, Jalen was average at best.
😂😂😂 on god he didn’t have to
Jalen's just flat wrong on this, period.
The 94 and 95 seasons are fair game, in fact, they’re necessary. The doc talked about the highs and lows of every major character. You can’t be mad they told the complete story.
Jalen didn’t have to bring up his name being slandered in rap songs lmfaoooo
riiiigghhtt!!! jalen know he was wrong for that ✋😂
Cuz lmfao 🤣
What songs? I'm out the loop
@@andrewfitzgerald3401 any song Future makes
@@andrewfitzgerald3401 Rent Money ! Since you couldn’t get a straight answer 😂😂
Trying to sell his book and it’s working. Good job Scottie
Also ruining his reputation along the way. Good job Scottie
Literally no one cares about that clown's book
Yes good job Scotty 💰💰💰 😂
@@DonkeyKong5479 You don't. Many others will
@Dazzer 1804 If you don't consider Michael Jordan as a Goat. I have a video that shows just that. If see it might change your mind or prefer show it to others. Search for this title : Only this video shows it in thoughtful. Copy and paste the entire wording for the search.
I like these four together! ESPN, keep Greeny, Wilbon, Jalen and Stephen A together. These guys are actually talking about hoops with good opinionated takes
Literally Wilbon WAS there. He saw and reported all this, he knows Scottie trippin.
He was close to Michael he would know you’re right
Wilbon was not there. He was in DC covering the Bulletts/Wizards. The man ain’t lived( consecutively or professionally )in Chicago since the late 70s early 80s
@@MrHutchiemcfly oof as if every major paper didn't have someone covering them.
My 2 cents on this: Scottie has learned the value of controversy and is trying to capitalize on it financially by writing this book and promoting it with these crazy statements in social media. As for the way he was portrayed in the Last Dance, it's all about his expectation of what the documentary was to be. It was filmed live during their last season together (with some edits). It's my understanding that MJ was paid for his part in the documentary. Well that's no surprise. MJ has always made other pay for the use of his image or name on their products. It's just business. Scottie is the one being selfish here. He has to own up for his own actions or lack of. He signed a contract that he was advise no to sign, then got mad when the Bulls chose not to renegotiate and upgrade his pay. He then responded selfishly, when MJ and the team were saying "WE NEED YOU, SCOTTIE!". Again, this is all business for Scottie. It's money to be made ........... and he may have to pay MJ for the use of his name in the book.
It's funny how with Jordan it's "just business", but with Pippen it's "being selfish". I don't really sympathise with Pippen at all in this situation, but it's still interesting how willing people are to shift perspective when talking about the two. Jordan, by all accounts a horrible person: "Well he's the greatest player ever and Jordan shoes are pretty sick, so who cares if he has more money than he'll ever need. He's a businessman he deserves to get paid." Pippen, by all accounts a beloved and respected teammate: "Lol Pippens a scrub who'd be nothing without Jordan. Who cares if he was barely getting paid more than Steve Kerr and Jud Buechler? He's still getting paid millions he doesn't need the money. He's selfish, his team needed him etc...". Can you honestly say you wouldn't be upset if you were working a job where you basically ran the place and were expected to perform at a ridiculous standard compared to everyone else, but were only getting paid minimum wage while scrubs around you who work barely as hard get paid twice more?
@@thomassutton679 do you realize Jordan himself was tied to a very similar contract until '96?
Jordan only got the big bucks from the Bulls on the last 2 seasons.
Pippen, as expected got a fortune when he left, way more than he was worth by that point.
Him having surgery late to force a renegotiation was plain stupid. He didnt got it, as everybody knews he wouldnt, and the team missed him greatly.
What a great team mate. lol
Jalen Rose “RINGLESS” and think he can speak on Jordan!
I can't believe that he's defending Scottie.
The Last Dance is an 8-hour documentary and I've seen it 4 times with all kinds of stuff out there I'll watch like The Boys and Loki. That's longer than the 5 docs found in the Ultimate Jordan DVD.
Scottie sounds bitter and Jealous. He was never the #1 guy on a championship team. Look at D-wade, he was sidekick to Lebron, but he will always be remembered for 2006 finals and being the greatest heat player of all time.
No truer words spoken and my guy was Alonzo Mourning but Wade brought a title to Miami with a total of 3 with a Finals MVP in 2006 with Shaq as his second scorer.
Jordan is 1-9 without Scottie. Hes more than the greatest teammate. Jordan could not have done it without him and the refs.
Lol your def. a Knicks fan…
Ryan just stop every great player gets the upper hand with the refs….and as far as Jordan not winning with out Pip….. Jordan said it!! He said “when you talk about Micheal Jordan you have to talk about Scottie Pippen “
He was the #1 stupid he would went to champion game if it wasn't for the bogus foul call
Episode 5 and 4 are my two favorite episodes. Episode 10, 1, and maybe 7 round out my top 5. My favorite Michael Jordan is 1992 edging out 1998 by a nose. That was pinnacle of MJ's personal life. Before August 1993.
His 88-93 seasons make him the greatest of all time the awards and PER is crazy
"That's all I needed for him to do that and it became personal with me!" - MJ
J Rose must be smokin the same junk Scottie is on !!😂 MJ’s HOF speech before he thanked his family his mom his wife the fans the bulls organization the good Lord above !! before he thanks any of these people he thanked Scottie Pippen!! His exact words all the highlights you just saw all the championships I won you never just saw me you saw Scottie Pippen !! Pippin should be ashamed of himself
But he also called out anyone who doubted him. He invited the guy that took his spot in highschool so he could prove he was the man, 30 years later. Petty and insecure. Greatest baller ever and one of the biggest assholes the world has seen. Now pippen is a bitter old man. Look what you have scottie, your doing ok.
@@melian9999 If anything, that should make you feel good that you have lived rent free in the greatest basketball player's mind all his life. I would have been honored. lol
In 94 and 95 when Pip was 'the man' with no MJ, he averaged 21.5ppg - when MJ was the man with and without Pip he averaged 32ppg - there's levels to this and Pip's not close to MJ, by MJ saying "he has no 6 chips without Pip" is giving him plenty of respect
It is levels to this and points per game means nothing when you exclude attempts per game. He averaged 10 less points than Jordan while shooting 8 less shots per game (while shooting about 50%, using averages, shooting at the same rate that MJ did, he would probably average around 30ppg during the 93-94 seasson). On top of that, 1st team All NBA, 1st team All Defense, All Star Game MVP, and third in MVP voting. At the end of the day, it is what it is and MJ is the man in Chicago, but trying to say Pip didn't do nothing as the man because of PPG? Nah...that ain't the metric
@@jahsoul357 Not sure where you're getting your stats from but MJ took 23 shots (FGA) per game his years with the Bulls and he hit 12 (51%), Pippen during 94 and 95 seasons (while he was 'the' man as we're discussing) took 17.5 FGA hitting 8.5 (48%), so factoring attempts per game is relevant especially considering 48% is good by Pip's standards. Also who was stopping pip from taking 23 shots per game in 1994? Nobody. His shot attempts only went up by a 1 FGA per game, yet his assists dropped by 1-1.5 per game while he was the 'man' in 1994 and 1995. His tov stayed the same, actually went up a little. His BPM barely went up to around 7, while MJ's BPM was 13, 12 (multiple times), 11... So yeah man levels, and no Pip was never averaging 30ppg, 22ppg was his ceiling for a reason.
@@jahsoul357 You make it sound easy. Any NBA player can just shoot 8 or more times per game but if he's not a great scorer, you can bet most of those would be dogshit shot attempts with little chance of going in.
Being able to get good looks for yourself consistently is a skill like anything else and is what separates Jordan, an all-time level scorer, in fact the greatest scorer ever, from Pippen, who's just good. I don't think normalizing their shot attempts just like that is the way to go because it ignores the fact that shooting efficiency more often than not goes down the more you shoot. There's little chance that Pippen maintains 48% shooting with the scoring workload Jordan had, i.e. there's little chance he ever scores 30 ppg a season. Jordan shot more than Pippen because he was way more skilled at getting good looks, and those allowed him to score a lot more all the while being even more efficient than Pip. That's why he's several tiers above as a scorer.
@@bobbyd1632 My stats are comparing the 92-93 season to the 93-94 season and everything that I said line up and what you said basically aligned with what I said. Jordan attempted more shots by the rate you gave but in 93-94, Pip shot just under 50%. Something ignored, Grant and Armstrong shots went up (wasn't that their only All Star Game). PIp stuck to being the facilitator of the offense by choice because it worked. Without Jordan, they only lost 2 less games and we know what happened with New York. Mike Wilbon said he should have been MVP that year. We can argue PPGs but regular season, what were the results?
@@GlassOnion23 Like I mentioned above, what is ignored is the fact that Pip stayed the primary facilitator of the triangle while involving others in the game and we can see this by Armstrong and Grant shots going up. That Pippen stimulus got them their only all-star game but I digress. At the end of the day, we are all playing what ifs. I'm normalizing based off attempts and averages and you are assuming that he couldn't get 8 more shots (you might need to revisit that 93-94 season to really get an idea of what he could and couldn't do. In case you didn't know, he could).
I appreciate that ESPN is forming a sportscasting NBA team to challenge the TNT crew, while it is not enough, this crew of Jalen, Greeny, WIlbon, and Stephen A. Is analytical, straightforward and from time to time, entertaining. I just hope that they have the budget to continue this throughout the season.
Difference is inside the nba is just funny & 3 of the guys actually played in the nba
Nothing, and I mean nothing that Stephen A. is a part of is straightforward. The guy is brutally subjective about everything and it's cringeworthy most of the time. The only instances in which I can tolerate him is when he talks about the Knicks, because that's when he's OPENLY subjective, he's not pretending and it's actually funny.
Steven A’s takes are cringy. Dude is a dramatical bull shitter. He enjoys hearing himself get hyped as you wait off his cliff hanging sentences..while you’re hoping to jump.
Yes, but they lack the wit to compete with the TNT team. Chemistry matters. They are just a collection of talent.
@@KinseyPro SAS opinions are based on who he personally likes.
I never noticed that Pippen was underrated. He just wasn’t Mike.
everything I always thought as a sports card collector 14 years old in 1992 I supported Scottie Pippen and wanted to see him do that solo. Pippen fans always knew there was an issue.
Michael even said "if you talk about me, you have to talk about Scottie Pippen. I didn't win anything without Scottie"
JORDAN SAID THAT!? What are we talking about.
Humility makes you a good teammate and a good man. Michael Jordan is a good man. Yeah he pushed them to be more than they were ever going to be on their own.
Wilbon was absolutely right and Jalen I don’t agree with your take Scottie isn’t underrated because even on the rockets and Portland he wasn’t what he was on the bulls and without Jordan he also didn’t win anything
what Mike Greenberg said at the end is so touchy
"Everything's cool until the book comes out." - Charles Barkley
Scottie had his chance to shine. But he needed Mike.
And mike needed him
@@fpg3682 But Mike SAID that!
@@Wis_Dom and scottie acts like mike didnt. lmao
@@carlosvaldez3093 Exactly. lol!
jordan has never and would never disrespect pippen as he knows how important he was to his legacy,anything reported about pippen or the way he portrayed in the last dance are fact based and the only person who can be upset is the man who did those things which is pippen!
I re-watched the last episode of the Last Dance. It painted him like Willis Reed playing through his back pain. Lot of love thrown his way in the segment. He is still a great player BUT he's had his low points in his career ... as did everybody else. I didn't come away thinking any different of Scottie. Still one of the greatest but not perfect. This sudden anger - just don't get it unless he's trying to sell his book.
You rewatched the last dance. Did you rewatch the part where Scottie was being painted in a negative color? Seeing how you are still glorifying Jordan I can tell that you didn't
@@younglove3362 Imagine wasting your time responding to my comment because you didn't read my post correctly ... And then trying to sound presumptuous/arrogant on top of that. Read my first sentence over a few times and then think about what you wrote.
@@mrtqtran "Imagine wasting your time responding to my comment because you didn't read my post correctly ... And then trying to sound presumptuous/arrogant on top of that. Read my first sentence over a few times and then think about what you wrote."
That's where you messed up. You expected him to read. lmao
I also rewatched the Last Dance and it paints MJ in a waaaaaay more negative light than Scottie (contrary to what the other guy said). MJ, Scottie, Phil and Rodman had negative moments in that doc. In fact, the doc makes Scottie come of as a sympathetic person with a tragic life. They even explained why he still signed the contract (from his own mouth no less) even though he was advised against it. I think the sudden anger is misplaced and we are possibly seeing the mental decline of Pip. He did have some unfortunate events happen to him (EX: His purchase of the Grizzlies fell apart due to Christian Lattener stealing money from him, his wife cheating on him, his oldest son dying).
I hope it's just him trying to sell his book and bourbon. If not, this is a bad look on him.
@@madlabsinfirmary1904 agree
An autobiography of Scotty.. it’s all about mike so far 😂
I'm buying that book !!! SHOUT OUT JALEN ROSE
The mediator loves this canomdrum, they'll be talking about this for decades.
im glad to see Jalen still still keeps it a buck, you got it right my brother
Wow I love these guys ! Watching them reminds me of me debating with my boys
No way I’m signing the contract after the owner tells me not to sign it that it’s a bad deal …Stephen A was right Scottie does have a history of making decisions and now he’s killing his friendship with Jordan to sell a book
The Last Dance remains the best docuseries I've ever seen. I've seen it four times. Very rare do I rewatch a doc. And this was 10 episodes. It's easy to rewatch Come Fly With Me being only 45 minutes long.
Pip is a stud and a warrior, not in any class with the top 15 greats but someone who can play 4 positions, handle the ball, pass, rebound, score around the basket and on a fast break and guard all 5 positions. I would love to have a 28 year old Pippen on my team.
Pippen was soft as butter and video will show you that now all of sudden he's the greatest to do it coming out his mouth...Please
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Scottie “I need attention” Pippen
Mj was nothing pippen made mj career what it was pippen demands a trade mj career over
@@osirislevel1798 😂😂😂
@@osirislevel1798 if that trade pushed through it was pippen's career that will be over. It was a trade to get T-Mac!
@@carlosvaldez3093 I would have loved it tmac ain't pippen facts💯 never compare tmac to pippen
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New generation wants to cancel Jordan for being too competitive. Too many participation ribbons in their childhood and all their heroes are on super-friend teams.
Tell em bruh 💯
It has truly affected our competitive nature. That's why we struggled in the Olympics.
Yea when u have the best team and coach and your #2 is better than most teams best player it's easy to be competitive. The man just said the bulls could of won without Scottie and you could never say any 2nd best player could win a ring today. Mj played in a weak era. LeBron plays in the most talented skilled era of all time. It's a difference
@@BIGJERSEY908 Blah, blah, blah, blah...smh Same ole sh*t, just a different day 🙄 Just stop...Scottie didn't become the player he was without MJs mentoring him daily before becoming an all-star. Phil was a ROOKIE COACH when he took over the head coaching position for the Bulls. He was mentored by Tex Winter and John Bach to implement the triangle. Please stop acting like MJ walked into the league to a dynasty. That was built and MJ was the foundation.
@@BIGJERSEY908 say no to drugs bruh, because you are definitely on something 🤣
Scottie is just salty. It's just all in his head because TLD showed Nick Anderson steal MJ's rock and all his faults too but Scottie makes it seem he's the only one who got insulted. Didn't Will Perdue say MJ was an a-hole?
Michael was able to show some of his negative personal moments too. He even allowed himself to be a meme once again when he ended one episode when he almost cried. What about the part when MJ admitted his mistake when he punched Kerr? There’s various parts of the doc where MJ showcased himself probably not making the best decisions.
@@jairbrooks-davis44 Admitting a mistake put MJ in a bad light? Atonement puts Jordan in a good light.
Mj. Wasn't nothing without pippen facts 💯
@@andria234 I’m trying to say that MJ admitted he didn’t always handle himself the best way
It might go down as one of the greatest tragedies in sports history if MJ severs his ties with Scottie after the latter's accusations. How many people can say that they had a lifelong relationship with arguably the greatest basketball player of the modern era, if not ever?
IMO, Scottie's comments come across as sour grapes and only to sell his book.
it's just sports, i think as outsiders, regular joe's in society even a celebrity break up we are flabbergasted how could this have happened they seemed perfect together. Ego, greed, money, hostility, bitterness of the past, whatever the case may be, we don't know what goes behind closed doors. I think Scottie is more ticked off with Future and other current NBA players having an affair with his ex wife, I think Pip is hurting that his son died. I remember I DM'd one of Scottie's daughter's on IG that Scottie never seems to talk about. This daughter came from another relationship Scottie had with another woman if I am not mistaken. Point is, end of the day, people have their own issues. Sure it would be great if they patch things up. But even as I type this message to you, I am wondering why do I care about these petty dramatic things. This is not a first world problem, it is men are in their own world based off ignorance and ego.
They were never friends and never ran in the same circles they were teammates
Scottie Pippen would not view losing Jordan as an associate as a tragedy. He can go and do just about anything he wants to in life on his own recognizance.
@@MrSHarris918I'd love to see it, but the man seems incapable to stop talking about Jordan. I think Scottie Pippen is the only one that needs to be convinced about his own worth outside of his association with MJ. He needs to realize that he already won at life and that he needs to stop being baited into petty sh*t stirring.
@@SweetJeopardy I hear you but I can't tell another man how to respond to seeing a documentary that he viewed as unnecessary negative portrayal by a former teammate. Let's not forget Horace Grant didn't agree with some things as well.
I have Ron Harper pretty low but it's based on their personalities from the doc. Harper is actually one of my all-time favorite Clippers. He's one of the players you can use in the original NBA Jam next to Danny Manning.
Harper in Cleveland was a bad man back in the day
NOW WE KNOW HOW KYRIE FELT 🤗
harper in cleveland was better than scottie lol.
Scottie was one of my favorite players of all time. The documentary never devalued Scottie in my eyes (especially that it happened couple of decades ago). I believe he needs help, especially with what happened in his personal life... BUT him doing this... to sell his book and bourbon... talk about disrespectful, talks about bad character and heck, lost a ton of respect for Scottie. Seems he doesn't understand what accountability is (for his mistakes and wrong decisions) and has incredibly plenty of pride (total lack of humility) and sense entitlement in all the wrong places.
Scottie Pippen is Robin yes, and real comic fans and DC fans know how good of a compliment that is to say because Robin is an awesome character and hero and i think thats applicable in this situation. At the end of the day Scottie was number 2 on his team and people who know know that he could have easily been a number 1 on a championship team. The only people who think of Scottie as "just MJs teamate" are simply uneducated on the situation or just too young to have lived through it is all. Pippen is o e of the greatest players of all time dont let the haters bring you down with them Scottie we know how great you are!
I seen Ray the Chef do an interview on Drink Champs. He was telling a story of ODB about something he saw him do in a hotel room. Halfway through the story he stopped and said tho its a funny story thats my brother and I cant put him out there like that. I respect it.
"I went straight, directly to tha studio." -Future
🤣🤣🤣
Jalen not right 😂😂 he didn’t have to bring up the rap songs talkin bout his ex wife
« In all the videos, you never just saw me. You saw Scottie Pippen in every championship I won… »
Michael Jordan - Hall of fame speech 2009
This is SAD! Honestly! It would have been great to see Pippen have an off camera conversation with MJ. Pippen is CLEARLY hurting about many things right now in his life
Pippen has went from one of the most underrated players ever, to now being overrated
Can someone remind me what Pippen did without MJ? Mkay thank you. Dude is literally nothing without Mike. And he's butthurt about it.
Scottie without MJ ?
Hmm let's see, takes a bunch of role players to 7 games in the ECSF vs the bruising Knicks, Bulls got robbed in game 5
@@dynamic6645 2nd round? He had 2 other all stars. Ewing had the role players. John Starks wasn’t even drafted and he was the 2nd best player on the Knicks. The Knicks was a team filled with role players. I loved Scottie as a player but we greatly overrate his status all time. Scottie was not the 2nd best player in the league. He wasn’t better than Barkley, Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing, Penny, or Reggie. Then you have players who actually led their teams to conference finals or the finals like Peyton, Kemp, Kevin Johnson, Dominique Wilkins, etc.
@@getitworkalot8096 Scottie had these players on his team in 1994:
John Paxson
BJ Armstrong
Horace Grant
Bill Cartwright
Will Perdue
Stacy King
Scott Williams
Steve Kerr
Bill Wennington
Luc Longley
Pete Myers
all of these guys are role players, Scottie led the Bulls in 5 statistical categories during the regular season, took the Bulls to 7 games vs the Knicks in the ECSF, Bulls got screwed in game 5, they were robbed of a finals appearance.
@@dynamic6645 now post the Knicks roster. Ewing players were actual role players. That year Chi had 3 all stars. Ewing was expected to win with Oakley, Starks, Harper, and Charles Smith?
@@dynamic6645 You missed Kukoc!
Pippen had the 1st 3-peat roster and the 2nd 3-peat roster except Rodman but with Grant!
Best an injured Cavs team in first round
They needed each other.
I remember NBA analysts referring to Jordan & Scottie as "Superman & Batman" back in the say.
I say let's have a Michael vs Scottie 1v1 and put it on pay-per view. Let's Go!
@I Like to comment are you serious MJ wouldn't do that. On comments section they say scottie stay off them boos. Don't you know MJ drinks alot plus those heavy cigars out of shape more than Scottie. I Mean look at Jordan's belly. If Jordan tries to dunk on Scottie he will fart first 🤣He way way past he prime. And destroy his legacy that is Jordan.
Scottie is not mike honestly Scottie wouldn’t be talked about the way he is today if it wasn’t for mike. Mike made Scottie a famous name
MJ won not one playoff series without Pippen. MJ won no rings before or after pippen. The only seasons we speak on MJ are the seasons with Pippen. Not before. Not after.
@@iamlegend5190 Scottie avg 7 pts as a rookie, MJ was rookie of the year avg 28+5+5. Before pip came MJ avg 37 in a league that could clothline without a foul call, when total points were in the 70-90s. MJ was already the best player in the league and just needed to groom and mentor guys like pip and grant to be good players. Without MJ pip would have been a decent player at best, top 50? Even Isiah laughed at that.
@@iamlegend5190 pretty sure it was pippen who scored just 2 points on 1-10 shooting while playing 45 minutes against the Pistons in game 7 while Jordan had 31 points 9 assist and 8 rebounds... don't give junk about not beating the Celtics because that 86 Celtics team is probably the best team of all time
@@juanfigueroa9148 with that being said....MJ never won a ring before or after pippen....you do the math. Yall act like pippen just needed mj. When it was MJ who need pippen. History. Stats. Fact. Dont lie. Rookie of the yr...but how far did they make it???? NOWHERE! Didn't even make playoffs. What are we talking bout here???
Yall bring up all this nonsense....but i say MJ didn't win before or after pippen. Big facts. Argue that....
Talk stats and facts with me.
If you people read just the prologue of Unguarded I think you can see where he's coming from. Idk if you haven't seen the last dance recently but it really isn't about the Bulls its about MJ and his greatness overcoming adversity which is not how they won. They won as a team and as an organization.
I fully agree with Pippen. He speaks in behalf of his forgotten team mates
Ive been right next to SAS plenty of times. Hes pretty tall. Jalen is towering over him. Nba players are aliens
ESPN needs to stop using Michael Jordan for views... and still... Michael Jordan is the GOAT.. end of segment....
His name comes up everyday on the sport shows it ridiculous
@@emerysutton5430 true
I was actually very interested to read the Scottie book. His would have been one of the only sports autobiography I would have taken the time or interest to read. Now with all the negative aspects of his mood coming out, I am not sure I will. I love Stephen A's take on it. It was spot on.
You’ve just been influenced to not read it? That was their intention.
Love these brothers
All of them make good points. Especially Jalen and Micheal Wilbon. Could Jordan have won 6 rings or been as successful without Pippin. Probably not. It's vise versa too. Pippin is underrated to some degree. But, all can't be blamed on Jordan though.
I remember when Pippen was without Jordan he didn't win a title either remember that and I remember Pippen wearing a pair of Jordans to proudly show Michaels return and I also remember Him sitting on the bench after getting defeated by the Knicks Jordan and Pippen needed each other but I already knew this was going to happen somewhere down the line because Jordan gets more attention and respect than Pippen gets . I watched The Last Dance and I knew Jordans comments would start trouble between them and it has but any problem between them should of been resolved with the six championships . Pippen says Jordan did the Last Dance to show the new Generation how dominate he was and I can't blame him for that I been saying to LeBron fans that the king plays good ball but The God of ball is greater and that they don't understand the hype behind Jordan and I would tell before making a comparison watch some MJ games and then you will understand . I'm not downing any LBJ fan or trying to start a debate but if you can watch a guy that big going to the rim with little to no contact and think he is the Goat and start playing in the NBA right out of highschool then i can understand why Mike's competitive drive would be like they all forgot let me show them all . I believe some use to make Scottie mad to see if he would tell Some Jordan secrets and put them against each other . My last thing I would like to say is when doing a job even if you work well with.someone on a job doesn't mean you have to hang out with the person or be a friend but respect has to be there and the willingness to complete a task
Did Pippen say he was with Bulls when MJ losing when everybody said MJ would had won if MJ had Pippen then and he was there them season he was just trash 4 years...l hope that's in this book
Scottie needs to take several seats hey MJ MY FAVORITE NBA PLAYER PERIODT LOVES ME SOME 23...😍🥰😘💞
Mj: "There is no Michael Jordan without Scottie Pippin"
Scottie Pippin: "That's disrespectful."
I’ve lost ALL respect for Pippen as a person. He needs to lay off his alcohol.
But the man wants respect as a basket ball player. And he feels he’s not getting it. I don’t think he cares who he burns to get that respect
@@MrHutchiemcfly But to attack the man who has been singing your praises for years?
I absolutely HATE the Lakers. But I'll admit they're the GOAT franchise of the last 40 to 50 years. Just like Lakerturds must admit the GOAT player never played for their Lakers.
Bro coming from a big time lakers fan since I was 7 years now I’m 40 and yeah I agree with you MJ is the GOAT but a franchise to have at least 5 players to be in the top 10 players of all time is GOAT. Go lakers!!!
Scottie Pippen is raw he never mentioned Phil Jackson in his retirement ceremony
Wilkins is the most underrated of all time...... human highlight reel
I don’t know why Scottie P still being mad about? MJ always and always respect too Scottie P
Does not show in the film.
@@sjsupa The film showed reality. Scottie did a lot of stupid stuff and he's mad that a documentation of reality showed that.
@@vitocarlucci1114 Right。Jordan won 6 champs with a stupid teammate. Jordan should have get rid of this stupid player so he could won 12 champs.
It’s hilarious how after all these years MJ’s Bulls are making more headlines than any of LeBrons teams or any other team in history for that matter
Pippen is the one who quit on his team when they needed him. Jordan never did that. That will tell you all you need to know about Pippen.
MJ has constantly said without Pippen there’s no MJ
Scottie blew through his NBA earnings with bad investments and he has alimony and child support for like 6 kids. Now he needs a money grab, and this book is the only way he can do it.
What did he blow his money on? I sure he was UNDER paid for his career. But again thats on his decision to provide for his Mom, Dad and bro and sis
@@jayplunks First off, he made over $100M in his career and he only has $20M left if these obscure google searches are right. If he put that in the stock market it woulda been worth 5X as much. I guess you dunno much about Pippen. He invested $20M with a dude that went to jail for fraud. And he bought a $4.3M airplane that couldn't fly.
@@aznnp77 I know you are not going off Google searches you haven’t confirmed and on the bases that ANY professional athlete would invest in stocks in the 80’s and 90’s.
“Fans” like you are the reason these athletes are bitter because you know nothing and just talking like you know
@@jayplunks Larsa Pippen screenshotted that 20M net worth google thing. And regardless, that doesn't change the fact that he made bad investments and this is publicity for selling a book.
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