Religion and intimacy - Believers tell what is permitted or not | Faith Love Desire (1/3)
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How can the anarchic power of sexuality be tamed when one is young? What is permitted and what is not? We hear the personal experiences of a conservative Muslima in Turkey, a Protestant girl in Germany, a Jewish courting couple in Israel and a Hindu from India before his wedding.
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The three-part series FAITH LOVE DESIRE explores this in five world religions: Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism. We visit young and adult believers in Tel Aviv, Cologne, Beirut, Berlin, Istanbul, Konya, New Delhi, Mumbai and Bangkok, revealing their pleasure and their conflict. A global odyssey charting a course between love’s intoxication and taboos and a fascinating exploration of life’s most intimate and beautiful side.
Original title: Faith Love Desire - World religions and sexuality | Episode 1: First Love
A Bildersturm Production
Film by Hilka Sinning, Heinz Greuling
2014 © Licensed by First Hand Films
Always interesting to view how other cultures & religions approach matters of sexuality, relationships & marriage. Well done!
The Turkish girl is so graceful, and more balanced.
Hymens are not always broken through intercourse, horse riding and other sports can have the same effect. Pity the poor virgin who is accused of having been "used" when she hasn't
Love learning about other cultures
Same…its fascinating
I can’t believe people are still saying a woman bleeds if she’s a virgin. Only sometimes true, but many don’t.
No disrespect but marry a girl off right after she has her first period, I know girls who got there first period at 10, that is a child no matter how you turn it. And to say she will stray is ridiculous, she is a CHILD. What a shame that this still happens.
Lots of girls get their period at 10. It is weird to marry someone off based on that. Just because you get a period does not mean you need to have sex or kids. I hate when women are reduced to a vagina. God made humans free. Free to choose if you want to have kids or not. No society should impose childbearing on you just because you are fertile. It is sick.
@@TheBooty28 actually no, God didn't make us free to choose if we would have children or not. We are to marry and procreate. He gave us freedom to choose if we would obey Him or not..and of course there's a most beautiful reward for obeying and also a consequence to disobedience.
@@allyouneedisgodandjesus yes he did make us free to choose. You are a weirdo. Maybe you should go live under the Taliban. Jesus did not have kids. He spent his life doing missionary work. So he was living against God's law then???. God does not call everyone to be parents!! Most people have kids. Some are called to dedicate their lives to other causes although they are fertile. The purpose of life is not just procreation. You are so ignorant. What Jesus are you following? The Jesus of the David Koresh "christian" cult that used to sexually abuse his own female followers while claiming to be a follower of Christ? Weirdo.
@@TheBooty28 I don't follow any religion,every christ and god taught through a religion is false. Nowhere in the bible does it say that we are free to choose. The purpose that Jesus had was completely different and unique than we have. He wasn't sent here to wed and procreate, he was sent as a redeemer of sins for those that would believe in him. It's a blasphemy to say that he was living against God's law. May God bless you
When you say "shameful" are you sure you are talking about what the hindu man said about girls ready to have sex when they have their first menstruations ? (Btw he was speaking about religious text and anciant traditions not about nowadays culture). Because...isn't in the modern western society that girls are taught how to use the pill as soon as they have their periods ? Explain to us this mystery, needing the pill is neccessary for something else than sex ? !!! How quick is the western arrogance to judging others, forgetting their own defects...
One has to always look at where the cultural boundaries come from. There needs to be, I think, a real discernment between human rules and those which are given a divine sanction. This is always invented and as such can be re invented as times change. This does not exclude deep faith but is honest. Those who place themselves in positions of authority always have something to gain from control of others. Every society has some framework for sexuality because it is a strong and sometimes unruly thing. Most of the current religiously oriented frameworks are of masculine origin and women are always at a disadvantage despite the positive attitudes.
Your channel is very good, i really enjoyed these series and 24 hrs in Jerusalem... very cool, thank you
Restraint over certain things is can be exercised through religion, but there is no need of religion to know right from wrong.
You don't need religion to be restrained , i dont consume any drugs , alcohol , smoking etc but i am not religious either meanwhile some of my Muslims friends drink alcohol like a fish
@@zuboy4272 Sorry but you are using the wrong terminology : They cannot drink "and" be muslims. No one says they are christians if they don't practice christian religion. I think they would say i was raised in a christian family. Same with your friends : they grew up or they live in amuslim environment but they are not muslims.
@Nancy Ajram Fan You made me reconsider my statement waLlahi (by God). You are right, they may be muslims "but" commiting the sin of drinking alcohol. However i still think that someone who is born and/or raised within a "muslim beleif" but does not beleive in Islam is a non-Muslim.
@Nancy Ajram Fan Don't make me say what i have not said ! I was speaking about people who don't beleive in the religiion and you agree with me, so why talking about judging ? Besides i have written numerous comments where i say that only Allah 3azza wa jal knows who is his servant. I said that even to people who insult shias, yet i am sunni. So i am not the one to be told what you told me. And i don t agree with you : i think scholars cannot tell who is a true beleiver, only God can tell. Also, you confuse the words muslim with beleiver. Anyway what you said might benefit some reader.
Marvellous dynamic topic of modern myths and Mystery which dominates various cultures I like this conversation....
I know Turkish and the Turkish translation is off.. Hulya never mentioned she was virgin.
OMG that's a serious violation, the reporter could be charged if persued. Thank you for the information.
yes it was shocking to see that on the subtitle...
Religion And Spirituality are not always so restricted and forbidden
Remarkable story
Why do they have to block out certain statues at Khajuraho? I am sick of censorship.
Man is allowed to have affairs, women should keep it within the marriage.
Okay.
But where does he go to have that affair? Will the woman not be comitting a sin, while the man isn't?
How is one side of the same thing accepted while the other one frowned upon?
Is any menstruating child also game for these permitted male affairs?
Make it make sense.
... At first I must confess I was disappointed, assuming an intentional selection of liberal christians and jews and conservative hindus and muslims which was "a la cliché"...but then it dawned on me ...all of the devotees profiled herein are in fact among the most liberal in their respective faith traditions...
No the turkish was chosen as conservative ! It is clearly said in the description of the video. And someone who understands Turkish said in the comments that the girl never said that she was virgin. I too found it very strange that she says this, besides that she says it in the middle of talking about something else.
Why dont you also added a catholic conservative girl or boy? You give the impression all christians are liberal. Plus what she is saying is not church teaching
Exactly!
All churches/religions teach lies either way
Thank God that we are in the WEST !!!
No matter where you turn your face, God is always there. So whether you live in the east or the west. His law is forever and should be obeyed.
@@AG-wb3db God is equally nonexistent in all places, East and West.
THE CHRISTIAN GIRL WITH HER RELAXED ATTITUDE TOWARDS SEX IS FAR FROM LIVING AS A TRUE CHRISTIAN.
You might not want to generalize all of us. It's different in different households just as is with gentiles.
I’m having trouble locating part 2 & part 3. I can only find part 1 on your channel and in the description part about the this video doesn’t list a link to parts 2 & 3. Any help?
Hi Lisa, sorry for the inconvenice. Please click here to watch all episodes of the series "Faith, Love, Desire": bit.ly/faith-love-desire
More or less all other people from their respective believes they talked about sex apart from the Indian couple. Presumably it is a taboo topic still in India. They did not even address "SEX or whether they are both VIRGIN" in their interview!
I get the impression they had sex already before marriage. When the guy in the end says something about being in hotel. Maybe i misunderstand lol
@@etcwhatever I took that, usually they spend their wedding night in a family house...He chose the motel so they could be themselves. Watch it again.
The women practice restraints and the man they marry also practice restrains, sure I’ll believe that.
Maybe in your immoral world they don't
Where I come from is a normal thing
@@Ya39oub_G Alas, we are all very mortal.
Yes they play us the fool. We do it were whores. They do it, its a secret and no problem. So they can even convince girls theyll marry them ....then bail after they got what they wanted
@@Ya39oub_G hahaha you think the muslim world is more moral? You gotta be kidding me...you do the same as anyone else when no one is watching. And when its not with a woman is with other man. So much hidden gay stuff in the middle east.
@@etcwhatever
I don't say that we are a perfect society, but the few ones who do as you said they hide because they will face punishment for it.
And if you talk about me I had many opportunities but with the help of Allah I restrainted my self, the west was like this but they lost their moral compass 70 years ago.
The view of this documentry is to show tht the weatern way of consentual sex is ok. But in eastern or orthodox cultures its perceived as a taboo. I honestly feel tht the islaamic view on intimacy in this doc has not been explained in the correct way... Islam is open and very liberal in understanding and dealing with the relationship between men and women.. The quraan has an entire chapter with regards to the laws and freedoms women are allowed. The quraan also clealry defines the manner in which a man can be intimate with his spouse No other relgion explains it so well.
I really urge more ppl to understand there is a difference between culture and the religion of islaam...
How do you know how other world religions treat sex? Have you studied the scriptures of all world religions?? And the religions that have not scriptures, just oral tradition? This is a small planet but there are thousands of religions on it, besides the five or six most widely known. Just saying.
But unfortunately most fundamentalists of every doctrine do not educate themselves in this way because of the individual cultural groups!
8bn people on this planet and one docu is supposed to explain how everyone practices intimacy?
And any script provides rules, it‘s humans who don‘t obey. Watch part 2 and 3...you‘ll meet two more „Western couples“ - very different to the young woman here. And scripts are lovely when some men in any community fall astray because they don‘t have their urges under control. At least someone felt offended, misunderstood or victimized...if a Christian, Jewish or Muslim woman wants to or doesn‘t want to have sex before marriage, be it. If Muslim women want to celebrate segregated, be it. If one wants to cover or not, be it. The laws written vs what is actually practiced are two different things. Only God sees what‘s in the heart. Blessed be the scriptures and the soul 😉
What an utter nonsense.
"No other religion explains it so well".... A hindu coughing hard 🤭... We have a whole book called kamasutra.. That explains how a man nd woman should have intimate relationship, love, sex, intimate hygiene, body nd so much more
13:34 smell is super important, thank you Lady for that statment.
The "Christian" family is very far from typical. I've never known a family that liberal in thought in the US. The idea that family members casually see each other in the nude???
It’s Germany… they are very liberal and still consider themselves Christian. The girl seemed very naive to me.
Yes "Christian" in parentheses is right...the bible states that no one should see our nakedness but our spouse
PS they’re not Christians💔
“‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me.”
Matthew 15:8
Agreed! I am a Protestant Christian living in the US and find this example not to be representative at all of our faith and values. There are many of us who believe in purity before marriage and strive to live a life in accordance with faith including honoring marriage and the family structure. I wish that the media would be more representative of the Christian faith instead of perpetuating nothing but stereotypes, either that all Christians are hypocrites or their faith is completely irrelevant to their lives as soon as they walk out of church. At least the media affords other religions the benefit of the doubt that people try the best they can.
I definitely think that one can combine spirituality, righteousness, honour and goodness with harmless (hopefully enriching) sexual exploration that the constraints of virginal marriage do not allow. Naturally I cannot condemn the faith and adherence to other beliefs, but my earliest question - having been raised in an interesting multi-faith family, but whose parents chose to become Roman Catholic on marrying - is WHY? Should we not revisit doctrines written so long ago, in a different context, for a different audience? Apart from breaking ancient religious taboos, would a man not welcome a woman who has known some physical passion and can assist in making him a better lover as a husband, for example?
Indian brides are just amazing
@patricia come to India
@@mimi36866 that would be awesome. 🙂
@@patriciakeats1621 dear are u Facebook its lockdown in India. It could have been great if u agree to be my friend
The Blible stated that marriage must be mandatory in order to have sex anything before is phornication which is a sin. With all my respect to the girl that is not the christian way...
Yes thank you! My heart was saddened to see her behavior and to hear the words come out of her mouth...then I hear the parents and wow! No guidance.
Love the Indian culture
Wow, when the German lady said "I just wanted to be done with it" when she had sex for the first time as if virginity was something to get rid of rather than enjoy Just sad
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I'm not a religious person but I think the use of the term "Believers" in the title would be disputed by those who are rigorously following their faith in many of the examples put forth in this video. Selecting a Liberal Protestant minister who then claims to generalize on behalf of all Protestants in Germany yet what he says deviates from what many German Protestants I know believe. Not a very honest presentation.
You don't know what you are missing !
It really is sad, isn't it ?
proud to be first person☪️
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In my opinion in all countries, cultures and born in to all faith's there are people that go with the flow and those who have no interests in being burdened by expected standards or norms who just tolerate the religious and their oppressive views on how people " should act and live". The religious want to sell the idea that there is one only one way people should live. The objective understand there is no proof of this.
sir , religion and sex is separate any time that's quite natural prosess di pondati on situation. Subramanyam VENUGOPAL trichur
Why they repeat certain scenes over and over
The girl w multiple partners looks broken. Just because you don’t feel religious constraint doesn’t mean it’s not harmful to your soul.
No matter where you turn your face, God is always there. So whether you live in the east or the west. His law is forever and should be obeyed. If you disobey and disbelieve you will end up in hellfire. Sex before marriage is a sin. For a very good reason!
I don’t think sexuality needs to be mixed up with religion in this modern age. But, if you live by laws from a book, I guess there is no other way.
The west had a problem with the church and therefore they rebelled against it.
The rest of the world didn't have the same problem that you had, so don't think that every one wants to live like you do.
This is a biased documentary. And I have watched many of yours in order to be sure. Where are the proper and I repeat the proper representatives of the Christian faith that are the Orthodox and the Catholics???
I left Islam when I read the Qur’an and the biography of Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam
Now I live in Iraq and I can't talk about it even with my family I might be killed, and society will reject me, it's very difficult for me
and many Arabs leave Islam every day, but they cannot announce that because they may be killed and of course society rejects them
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I pray Isa Masih reveals Himself to you in dreams and visions as He’s been doing for so many other Muslim background believers in the Middle East. If you are truly searching cry out to God for His true revelation of the Son Of God! Also please watch Nabeel Qureshi teachings at Biola University and Watch his powerful testimony testimony- he was an extreme devout Muslim found the truth in Jesus Christ. Also find his book “Seeking Allah Finding Jesus.” I will pray for you in Jesus’ mighty name, amen!
I support your idea to leave and i also hope that Yeshuah is able to find a place in your heart. I pray that you experience the love of God and Jesus and the holy spirit. Only then will you be freed of your chains
So the gospel to fairytale?
😲 with Protestants.
The Protestant family is living in a way that is very far from what the Bible teaches about sex outside of marriage. And their religion leader has little understanding of Biblical teaching or relationships.
Absolutely...and that's the greatest problem...that there's no religion out there that teaches what God instructs in the bible..everything is twisted
38:20 religious person :'D :D xD
Religious person? She's definitely beyond confused 🤔😓
@@allyouneedisgodandjesus 😂
Seriously so many dead faces. Nailing it tho. Keep up the positive work 🙄
The German girl seems like the only one truly enjoying life (though still considers herself devout in her religion), not living under a dictatorship of her parents and culture. We all only have one life to live and, IMO, it should be lived how you see fit for yourself. Not based on a religion, brainwashing, oppressive cultural norms or by men's standards. I know that people are proud of their 'culture', but they don't know anything different, they don't know the true freedom of individuality and learning about what makes them a unique soul, they are enslaved by the concepts of religion, family honor and tradition. If they are happy, so be it. But I also see a lot of uncertainty, sadness and regret in their faces.
So if you live according to your whims, what happens to your pleasure when you die?
I totally hear you. So much shame and fear! Testing women for virginity in the 21st Century??? How dare they?
@@MotorStorm66 What happens to an animal after they die , THEY FKING DECOMPOSE AND SO DO WE , we don't get a fking flying donkey to heaven n shit
Subtitles are different from what she says. They added some irrelevant sentences. Lying...
sir, That's why Israel people came to laddik they get pour Aryan man/ women they know this life secret of World trying to understand world is moving African countries
i can see Pakistani Restaurant at 6:24 :P
I love the Israeli couple love story.so cute and organic
Funny thing is that you don't have to physically touch..just thinking about it and having the thoughts in your heart is sinful...7:13 this is something that everyone says..." I believe in God BUT I want to ___ " This is the problem, no one understands that by saying that, you're actually denying God and don't believe in Him at all. Believing means obeying..by disobeying and following our own beliefs (what makes us feel good, doing what we see fit) you're taking yourself away from God. So sad..and then to go sing in a choir saying my Lord is my everything? Is He really? And then this segment continues and my heart is saddened even further..
Amen! As a genuine Born Again Christian who has been completely justified and redeemed by the mercy of God for all my past, present and future sins by my faith and belief in Jesus Christ alone and making HIM the Lord of my life- it was very disappointing not to see the one true saving faith of the Gospel of Jesus Christ represented. A true Christian lays down their former life and follows GOD’S precepts out of honor and respect and reverence and love knowing that they are not worthy of His grace and desiring to become more and more like Christ in their Christian walk. There is no room for your own wants and selfish desires. That’s what it means to love God and making His son the Lord of your life. She it’s not a Christian-she is deceived and I truly hope and I will pray for her that in God‘s sovereignty that she has a true experience with God through Christ, repents and is worthy of such a privilege to trust and truly be a witness for Christ✝️🙌🏾✝️
“‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me.”
Matthew 15:8
““If you love Me, keep My commandments.”
John 14:15
“Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’”
Matthew 7:22-23
“It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Hebrews 10:31
“Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.”
II Timothy 4:2-4
REPENT from your sins and believe the Gospel people!
“whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away.”
James 4:14
“For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”
John 3:16
Yes, it is called fornication. In my religion, a bride can only wear a white gown if she Is a virgin. And we arę not of your faith.
We also do not alllow mixed swimming or being not clothed properly around people not In your home. But In the home we stayed modest & covered.
It’s no where mentioned in Hindu texts to marry off a girl after her first periods. The reason is was started was to protect young girls from Moghul abductors. In ancient India girls were encouraged to study and choose their partner thru swyamwar. Kindly get the person who is proper knowledgeable about Hindu culture.
If you cannot explain everything about islam, please keep quiet. I am telling Turkish woman. She doesn't express herself even in Turkish. She should read a book instead of wearing clothes and following moda. I also know Turkish and am a Muslim. Either talk properly or keep quiet please!!!
Islam ... who's care... that's not important.
Interesting documentary.
The German girl strikes me as odd in general, she looks like she's crying all the time. I thought it was nervousness in front of the camera at first, but then she looked the same even when she was with her friends. This is merely an observation. The fact that she proclaims to be a religious person is highly hypocritical. She is free to think and believe what she wants, but in reality she merely believes in a higher power, she isn't following her faith, nor any other religion.
The Turkish girl was an interesting mix of cultures. Clearly an intelligent, highly educated and wealthy individual with free will, yet surprisingly pious. This is actually rather rare, contrary to what some may think. I felt she was likeable, until she hinted at what others should and shouldn't do. Still left me with good vibes, I'd bet money on her being a genuinely good person.
The Israeli couple seemed like a perfect match. Rarely does one see people so connected. The slightly older lady with the candles was right on point, a great way of explaining things her way.
The Indian fellow was difficult to connect to. A very colorful wedding and he seemed a happy camper. I have no idea what she thought of it. The people eating off their plates with their hands seemed unhygienic and rather crude. It is however a cultural thing, as is their public burping and spitting.
Just my two cents.
@Nancy Ajram Fan Do you make sure not to touch any other surfaces or object until you have finished eating?
This isn't the Middle Ages. Unhygienic and crude, any way you look at it.
Do you have an excuse for the burping and spitting too? Rather interesting that you didn't mention that at all. Perhaps it's embarrassment.
Sit in the back so the men won’t be turned on 🤮
Did god create religion no then keep your religion aside and start your living style
A Boyfriend staying overnight in her room is not normal it is sinful
Absolutely
I live in America the idea of sexual freedom is good but along with that comes the responsibility of safe sex. That means don't have children if you are not financial independent and mature enough to take the responsibility of having a child. It would be great if woman and men in America would wait to have sex before marriage because marriage is not about sex its a vow and a contract you make with another person.
It used to be that way here in US before the " sexual revolution " of the 1960s. That Is when what was called, Womens Liberation, it was the time when the birth control pill was introduced, and women could then be as sexually active as men, without worry of unwanted pregnancy, more women decided to not become housewives as their mother's and grandmothers before them. Many decided to have careers and the same equality as men.Personally I think that the pill changed alot for women, in that they could choose when and how many Children they wanted. Religions of course have their own rules.
These dudes faces are dead. Absolutely no expression.
How dare God dictate to us what we should do each day. Remember and Angel said the same thing to God before he fell.
He gave us laws to follow and a choice to obey or disobey. With obedience comes a reward,with disobedience there's consequences. He created us...don't parents set up rules in the home to obey??
“For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.””
I Corinthians 1:18-19
An angel that will be cursed forever in the lake of fire. You have the free will to do whatever you want Cob, but is it wise to go against the Lord?
@@LoRock1 absolutely..wow this is absolute truth
This is not a typical Indian marriage. First of all there is no typical Indian since India is the most diverse nation on the planet. However, most educated Indians marry in arranged marriages and the parents note if the boy and girl are compatible under supervision only. Thus virginity is a must in every marriage. Only to a degree in Punjab western influence has permeated but this has not taken over Punjab either. Sex before marriage is extremely uncommon in most regions of India. India is a time-tested and solid civilization does not imitate others. Bollywood does not reflect India it has strong Punjabi and Jewish influence of Hollywood. Also 95 percent Indians marry in their own caste.
If that female believes what she says why plaster her face with thick makeup. Heavy
Eyeliner, mascara, lipstick.......whats it for if not to add to her looks for what?
Very young unducated views....they will change when they grow. The young German
Girl is very educated and truthful.
I was thinking the same thing about the women.
There are a lot of people professing to be Christian but living very secular lives and they are not an image of what Christianity is.
There are those of us who believe God's design for sexuality are still choosing to abstain from sex until marriage.
I agree. The islamic woman is a hypocrite. Saying how dreadful it is to showcase women and how the fashion magazines are so bad and she's there with makeup and fashion laid on herself. And judging everybody else. She spends a lot of time at the mosque. Is that what Islam teaches?
You are too judgemental.
She has the right to use makeup. Go back to your cave.
Well she can dress the way she wants. Muslim women just like all women or most still like to look their best and love fashion . Yes some Muslim ladies who wear hijab still wear make up and dress fashionable. Some muslims agree like you “why she wearing all that etc?” But in the end it’s between that lady and God. If the lady is happy and comfortable dressing like that then who are we to judge her. God is the only one who will judge and decide what to with us etc when we die. If you believe in the afterlife etc then only out good deeds will be counted and measured.
You seem very educated from your grammar and spelling smh 😂😂 check yourself before you wreck yourself 🤔
The German girl is living in bondage, thats why she looks like that. bondage from all the sin she has. girl, free yourself! if you say you know the lord
Every religion is confusing except Islam ☪️