WildUte University: ACC eyeing Utah? Here's Why It WON'T Happen
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WildUte University: ACC eyeing Utah? Here's Why It WON'T Happen
Join your Dean, WildUte as he shows why the speculation of #UtahUtes to the #ACC is not a viable option.
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Well done. I was waiting for this and glad you made it public.
ACC desperation. Time to wash the ACC.
The ONLY thing that could make this happen is the BILLIONS of dollars that Cal and Stanford control for research. Bowties looking for BILLIONS, while Athletics is looking for millions. Let's see what happens.
True. Cal and Stanford have a bunch of grant-based research dollars, but those don’t pay the athletic bills in this new era of college sports.
@@brandontrujillo8253Nothing you said makes any sense.
In fact, nothing prevents schools from establishing research/academic partnerships with schools from different conferences.
Utah is staying in the Big12.
That’s another reason. Utah to ACC makes no sense!
Utah already picked the Big 12 over the ACC, and that was when the ACC still "had" FSU/Clemson. Makes 0 sense now.
No. Utah picked the only FIRM OFFER it had last year.
Big 12 will make ZERO sense for Utah when Kansas, Arizona, Oklahoma St, West Virgina and Texas Christain all leave too. And they will ALL be leaving before the Next Big 12 TV Contract.
If Utah wants to STAY BEHIND... Colorado, Cincinnati or Brigham Young can have their spot.
Utah will JUMP when the FIRM OFFER comes.
Utah will be 1 of the 1st 3 teams to join the ACC from the Big 12.
@user-kn7ry8iz6x FSU/Clemson leaving the ACC seems like the next domino to fall, agreed? That's enough to make a move to the ACC unpalatable for any Big 12 school, and likely unpalatable for a few ACC schools to stay in the ACC.
@@user-kn7ry8iz6x Where are coming up with all this nonsense of all those schools leaving the Big12?
The ACC internally considered UTAH and every other new BIG12 member and passed....
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Inside the stunning USC-UCLA move to the Big Ten -- and the chaos that followed (Jul 11, 2022)
"The ACC has had strategy conversations like these ever since, including whether it was financially beneficial to expand with schools like West Virginia or, yes, USC. 'We looked at everybody,' one source said. 'What do you do? I don't think coast to coast was an appetite that the presidents wanted. I think that perspective would have changed if they had known.'" ... "Multiple sources in the league kept coming back to the same central question: 'Where is the financial value?'"
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ACC realignment: League considered at least four schools in expansion talks, per report (May 19, 2023)
In an effort to stabilize the conference and keep pace with the SEC and Big Ten, which continue to grow both in membership and financial prosperity, the ACC explored options for expansion, ESPN's David Hale reported. "ACC has looked at a few (expansion options)," Hale wrote..., "including Oregon, Washington, SMU and West Virginia. From what I've been told, the [dollars] just aren't there."
@@mrmonkeysays If you had ALL if the information about the ACC you would probably be correct.
But you don't even have 1/10 of the REAL Information on the ACC, Some Leaders know how to play Poker.
The ACC is MUCH STRONGER than ANYBODY has been reporting and running their mouth about. MUCH STRONGER than the Big 12 and almost as strong as the SEC AFTER the ACC take Utah and the Top of the Big 12 away. .
Utah twitter needs to see this. Some of them think they would be better off, not true at all.
You gotta love twitter. Every conference needs a villain; and Utes are the Big12’s villain.
@wildute6958 Utah isn't a villain. Cry babies can't be villains.
Utah = Batman. TCU = Bane
I don't think anybody likes utah, regardless of the platform.
I wonder if Utah, Arizona & ASU would have gotten the same deal as cal & Stanford
I found the "Money" projections through to 2035 for the Big 12 vs ACC very interesting. I would like to see the same chart with the Big 10 and SEC added. Undoubtedly it would look downright scary for the Big 12.
Right! The B1G and SEC projections are going to be over double Big12 and ACC projections. The numbers are staggering.
BY signed the media at a discount to get ahead of the PAC on exposure. He publicly stated he thought the deal would be >$400M and took $380M. IMO and based on past deals in the cfb the next deal will have a 50 to 100% increase in 2031.
Great show
This one is for you, David. No more of that good riddance stuff, 😂
Didn’t know Utah had such a horrible record vs the Big12
I will give you one reason: the ACC is dying and if you bail for it you will never be let back in the Big 12.
In context, the BIG12 is already dead.
@@tarheel7406 and how much is an ACC making without FSU and Clemson? It will be a lot less than the Big 12. It doesn’t matter what exit fees it gets because Utah, SMU, Stanford, and Cal would not see a penny of it.
They would 100% let them back in the Big 12. They just let Colorado back in, they’ll make money for the conference
@@user-dl8cg4uv1n no they wouldn’t. The Big 12 got pro rata which means it got paid the same. Utah pulling a stunt like that would burn a lot of bridges and you would be left to die.
LMAO. ACC is NOT DYING.
Great show Will Doot
Thanks Tough Tony - this speculation is bunkkkkkkkk
That window closed when the ACC didn't settle with its top brands and release, which would have allowed for a larger PAC bloc. As things went, CAL & STANFORD barely got invited with ND pushing it. After the ACC depletes out it may consider some additional backfill, which may generate more realistic interest in the 4Cs.
That just closed 1 Window. And that window closed months before ESPN gave the Big 12 a 4 team Pro Rata to UNALIVE the PAC.
@@user-kn7ry8iz6x There was then no assurances that the PAC would remain delusional and eventually scatter. That was also far sooner than when the ACC finally switched to managing its decline to the Tier 2.
@@tarheel7406 The only thing certain is that you will stay DELUSIONAL at all times.
ACC is not managing their way down to Tier 2 and what ACC LEADERSHIP is doing is staying on a Path they committed to 9 years ago that you REFUSE to WITNESS despite all evidence
@@user-kn7ry8iz6x Your positions do not reconcile with actual events.
The one thing not shared here is UU would have to pay a two years worth of media payouts ,~$55M to leave the B12. That ain’t happening.
Just another factor! ACC thing ain’t happening.
Agreed, also one of the reasons why no ACC member is likely to move to the BIG12.
Once fsu & Clemson leave the Big12 will make significantly more than the Acc. Plus the second they leave schools like Louisville, Miami, VT & Others will be applying for the Big12.
Bingo!
Nope
A western pod with Cal, Stanford, Utah, and SMU would make sense for the ACC
Let’s think about another aspect of this: how are you going to pay Utah a full share after paying SMU nothing and Stanford and Cal 30% shares over several years. That dog ain’t going to hunt.
@@wildute6958 ACC has a Pro Rata.
NOBODY reports the ACC Info CORRECTLY.
All 3 of those teams INCREASED the ACC Payout by 3 FULL SHARES.
But each of those 3 is NOT COLLECTING their shares to leave extra money in the ACC to try to KEEP some of the schools that wanted to LEAVE.
These 3 Expansion Teams did that as a BARGAINING CHIP to get into the ACC.
They did it because they have SEEN the ACC's REAL Financial Numbers and TV Contract.
So THEY KNOW how VALUABLE it all is and KNOW how badly they wanted to get Voted IN.
Unlike YOU they have REAL DATA.
Unlike YOU they have FACTS to work with.
Unlike YOU they made a WISE and CALULATED DECISION in their best interest.
Utah will do the same and the Top of the Big 12 is coming with it.
ACC has through ESPN and UNLIMITED Pro Rata for as many teams as it wants.
Because ESPN WANTS the ACC to SURVIVE.
That Pro Rata has been there the Whole Time.
You don;t know ANYTHING TRUE about the ACC, or their TV Contract, or their realtionship with ESPN or the SHARED GOALS of the ACC/ESPN.
And the other 8 games?
Narrator: It would not make sense
@@stevemoserify But it will make POWER THREE type DOLLARS
Let’s remember most fans aren’t vocal on X and hopefully the vast majority of UU fans will love the passionate venues of the B12! We are stronger together and united!
Exactly. X isn’t a good barometer for the Ute program.
I knew you would do this analysis well thought out and level-headed Ute. Your work is always great and fact based. Had this article been written while the PAC was still in flux I could be on board but now as the ACC is in flux it is ridiculous that you even needed to make the video.
Exactly. Totally agree.
dam good wildwte. as always enjoy your stuff
Thank you much, Opey. More to come, much more.
They need to go. They can win big in the ACC. Utah assumes they can dominate the big 12. They better hope they don’t have to prove it.
Bring it on Big12er
Tier 2 football will move towards fungible parity. Any UTAH interest in the ACC would be due to non-football factors. It's these other factors that BIG12 fans don't really understand nor consider.
4.5% increase is for inflation only I believe
Doesn't Utah have a clause in the BigXII co tract that doesn't have a term for how long they're ties to the conference?
Not implying anything, just wondering I'd that is the case.
It’s my understanding that the clause expires when the Big12 contract starts here in the next few months.
Possibly UU got the 99 year term removed from joining the conference as it was reported but they still signed the conference GOR are bound to the conference and the 2 year buyout to leave like all members that was reported as well by Thamal, etc.
The ONLY reason I can think of to make this move is that Cal and Stanford control BILLIONS in research Dollars that pay the bowties not the jocks who are playing for MILLIONS not BILLIONS. We will see.
Thanks Wildute for addressing the issue. Seems like Utah never wanted in the Big 12.
Utah will learn to love the Big12. It’s a place for the program and conference to grow together.
It's a narrative by 1% of Utah fans on X. Majority of fans are happy to be in the BIG12. Look no further than how many Utah fans were at the Baylor game last year.
Bingo. It’s just a small but vocal % of the fanbase that likes to troll the Big12. Most Utes are fine with the Big12.
Utes just making themselves look worse and worse by the day seems desperate who tf running our program like that? Im happy to be in the big 12 should only leave if the big ten asked
💯 💯 💯
There will neither be a U or a 🙌 in the ACC
Baller comment, Rick. Go U schools!
These Utah fans are starting to remind me of WV fans who just can’t let go of their ACC lust. Really, it’s tiring. To these fanbases: GO or STAY - I don’t care. But don’t dilly dally. Commit or GTFO!!!
Don, the video is about Utah staying. Hope that was conveyed.
I understand that, Ute. But after a year of many Ute fans bashing the BIG XII, I’m worn out. X has been flooded with this Utah-to-the-ACC nonsense for two days.
I get it.
I WANT Utah to be in the BIG XII. I just want them and their fans to want to be there. And I’ll even go as far as saying I hope Utah is the football juggernaut their fans say they are. The BIG XII would be better off if 2 or 3 teams rise above the others and perennially make the playoffs.
It's a way old article by the HOF New York sports writer who reposted it on X three days ago. On coat the tails of ACC collapse for clicks.
Thank you WildUte for this. Would you rather have not played 3/15 members in your conference or 11/18(counting ND)?
Bingo! Give me history and rivalries.
@@wildute6958 it’s sad what’s happened to the PAC 12 and likely is going to happen to the ACC
Let me know if Utah sets up a go-fund-me account to move to the ACC or anywhere else. I will gladly donate.🔥🤣
Where were you to keep the Pac12 going?
The ACC is the worse conference in the world in regards to business decisions! The Big 12 started from scratch, lost Texas and OU, remixed and still will end up in a better situation than the ACC!
Another reason why this ACC move ain’t happening. Good comment
a) The BIG12 including TEXAS poison was the root cause of its ultimate decline down to the Tier 2.
b) The BIG12 lost ARK before it was founded. Lost NEB, CO, TXAM, MO before TX/OK finally bailed. Recovered a weakened CO recently.
c) The BIG12 was reactive during its decline. It was not proactive when it should have known that TX/OK would eventually leave.
The ACC expanded with schools that didn't meet reasonable expectations and no one expected the current inflation curve for college football.
The BIG12 is currently the worst (by far) P4.
Why wouldn't Utah want to join the ACC with SDSU, Tulane and USF and make half the money it does now?
😂 😂 😂
Delusional....
Eventually CAL & Stanford will join the Big12
I'll bet it's more likely they join the Big Ten.
@@999fedora More likely they're screwed because the Big12 doesn't want them and they don't want the Big12.
@WildUte would you support Utah going to the B1G? IMO, Utah isn't a fit in the B1G, but there's been some speculation that Utah is interested in the B1G
Yes, I support Utah going to the B1G. That’s a no brainer. Utah is a research oriented AAU institution and has history with the former Pac12 schools that went to the B1G. Utah is very B1Gish.
WildUte, I always appreciate your takes and your level-headed approach! I wish Utah was in a better demographic area, so you would be in the B1G along with Colorado it would be a good bridge to the West Coast B1G teams.i think it would be go to see my wolverines play your utes!
Thanks None! While not likely, if the B1G did come calling for the Utes at a reduced share, it’s a no brainer.
And have cal as their only rival? That's so stupid. In big 12, they have the Arizona's, Colorado and BYU and soon wash state and ore state. Utah would be a fool to leave.
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2023 the Acc paid out 45 million to each school. It will be going up more.
The Big 12 isn't paying out near as much.
The problem with the ACC is FSU and Clemson are getting out. 10 months ago this made sense, no longer. The ACC is in dire straights and Utah doesn’t need to be coming into that mess.
@@wildute6958 The BIG12 has already imploded, collapsed, etc. The ACC's deal is already heavily discounted, so it can tolerate even the loss of FSU/CLEMSON. The conference below got ~$30M per:
WVU (small state low prestige flag)
CINCY (G5)
UCF (G5)
BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent)
HOUSTON (G5)
IOWAST (low population state #2)
KSTATE (low population state #2)
OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports)
KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball)
TCU (G5 equivalent)
BAYLOR (G5 equivalent)
TXTECH (G5 equivalent)
I disagree with your metrics. Your chart is based on assumptions that Clemson and FSU leave the ACC, which depending on the day, is very uncertain. What happens if the Clemson and FSU stay? That would be an entirely different scenario for Utah. Geographically speaking, what if the ACC jumps out and grabs ASU, Arizona and Colorado? - A scenario that is not all that unlikely. The entire situation changes heavily. Bottom line: nobody knows exactly what’s going to happen but we do know that realignment is not over and if I were the Big12, I’d be real nervous right now.
What’s more realistic? FSU and Clemson staying or going? Going 💯. They’re leaving. If ESPN renews the ACC contract next year, it will be prorated down by FSU/Clemson viewership (~35%). That’s business. Plus, how would the ACC offer more to Utah than it did to Stanford and Cal. It wouldn’t. This dog don’t hunt.
@@wildute6958 The ACC's deal is already heavily discounted. Nevertheless, I don't see any current ACC interest in UTAH.
@@wildute6958 Same argument was said about the Big12 not all that long ago.. Supposedly, the Big12 was going to lose up to 50% of its money when UT and OU took the exit. Obviously that didn't happen and I think the same will happen with the ACC. If the ACC can limit the damage to just FSU and Clemson, then I think there's a real strong argument that the ACC could get a better deal than the Big12. Compare the ACC with the Big12 and the ACC wins every time, even with the loss of Clemson and FSU. Utah needs to leave the Big12 now.
This could of happened a year ago, but just not any longer. It’s dead.
Talon, look what happened to the Pac12. The media contract was supported to be worth $50M annually with USC and UCLA and the offer was $30M from ESPN. The media rights environment is in a recession now, worse than last year because of the new NBA contract. Phenomenal schools are in the ACC, buts in major trouble of getting a sound adjusted media deal after the Noles and Tigers depart. The only other option would be to form a best of the rest new conference with the cream of the ACC and Big12.
LMFAO All of these comments on who's going where and when I love that everyone knows the future lol!!!!
I do know one thing and it's coming from head coach Kyle Whittingham..... I don't know who he talks to or who his sources are but Kyle Whittingham knows and he predicts a college football only mega conference and I think he is dead on!!! With the house lawsuits and settlement with 22% of revenue sharing I believe that the mega conference is coming all A-Q teams and a relegated G-5 is coming. With 8 regions. All 8 regional winners are in the playoffs with 8 wild cards! All non regional games will be set by the media bringing traditional rivalries and pageantry back into the sport we all loved growing up!!!!!!
Utah has no need for the ACC
Right! Utah has no need. ACC conspiracy theorists are spinning this narrative.
@@wildute6958 This sounds like UTAH generated to me. The ACC has already preemptively backfilled sans UTAH.
Why would Utah want this narrative out here? What are your thoughts.
@@wildute6958 You tell me. UTAH benefited alot athletically and academically in the PAC, and it can't feel secure in maintaining that status. UTAH isn't some legacy academic or athletic school that can easily tolerate a downgrade in association.
When you remove FSU and Clemson, the Big12 isn’t a downgrade on the field compared to the ACC. UNC and Miami need to get out asap.
Don’t forget TCU is wanted as well.
By whom?
@tarheel7406 The Mountain West perhaps, lol.
@@Patrick-sg7cm TCU works as a Tier 2 school, so perhaps an SMU travel partner. Nevertheless, TCU has never been in an academic nor overall sports conference, so why leave traditional rivals for the ACC? The 4Cs are very different.
@@tarheel7406 everyone wants tcu. Pac 12 wanted tcu and the ACC and even big 10 is rumored to try and get tcu. It’s too valuable. Way more than many teams even in the sec or big 10.
@@davidmead2529 TCU if a G5 equivalent, Tier 4 private school in this context. If TCU was wanted, it would have already been invited.
This was a old article by the basketball Sports writer in New York who has now reposted a summary on X. Because this dude is a HOF writer its has clicks again. Skip "Baseless" is a HOF sports reporter and he pulls stuff out of his azz all day long and twice on Sunday. 😂
Good to know cause his the one who stirred the pot!
Utah probably wants to be associated with better academic schools.
Utah isn't even in the academic top 5 of the Big 12... that would be CU, Baylor, BYU, TCU, and KU.
Please, find another way to lick Tiny Altibore's boots.
@@devilfrawg4953 Per my quick reference, ARIZ, UTAH & BYU are the top 3 in the new BIG12 measured by academics. For context, all 3 would be in the bottom 25-33% of the ACC.
BYU is the top undergrad destination because that is where they put their emphasis while other schools place the emphasis at The Graduate level.... this is also reflected in the high acceptance of BYU students into graduate programs because they are so well prepared after finishing their undergraduate degree.
@tarheel7406 Nobody cares about your fake-list. Everyone knows your lies about the Big 12 have proven demonstrably false at every turn.
Find another way to lick Tiny Altibore's nutsuck.
Utah will move for academics and being with like-minded institutions 😂
😂 wouldn’t call the likes of Oregon State and San Diego State academic powerhouses.
@@wildute6958 OREST and SDST aren't likely ACC additions.
SMU would be the best academic school in the new BIG12.
You guys can't think from the perspective of the future P2 world.