Bow & Arrow VS the Atlatl for Survival
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.ค. 2020
- Which is a better tool for survival? The bow and arrow, or the atlatl? In this video Ryan Gill goes on a deep dive breakdown as to which may or may not be a good choice depending on your unique survival or primitive living situation. Follow along and see where we can take this!
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I love how you casually flint Knapp in the backround
The Spanish were also more scared of the Aztecs sling than their arrows. Seeings how rocks kill by impact instead penetration
It makes sense, considering any native bows probably wouldn't have done much against conquistador armor. Same way a knight fears a war hammer more than an arming sword.
Well probably the arrowheads of the tribes were perhaps just made from stone like obsidian, Flint, chert and other knappable stones meaning they wouldn't be effective against metal armor and this probably lead them to using slings as they probably saw it could cause more damage than the bow and technically a bow and arrow can pierce armor steel armor but u have to build specific arrowheads that allows for that kind of penetration and not use stone for the arrowheads however considering they probably didn't discover metal yet they wouldn't be using such arrowheads that were armor piercing but the sling and stone were probably extremely effective as they could deliver massive shock from the weight and speed of the projectile along with size hell they could easily have made trebuchets too wich would allow them to sling way larger rocks into the enemy dealing massive damage regardless of the armor so yeah that's about it
Humans are soft targets.
You hit the nail on the head with this one. Too many folks who believe the bow or even an atlatl would be efficient in the hands of a starving and untrained individual in a survival situation. Primitive trapping is the first go-to. I’m comfortable with the bow, only dabbled with atlatls in the past. Great video dude 👍.
Archery is in our dna...none of us would be here if our ancestors hadn't slung billions and billions and trillions of arrows. It's as natural as sex and breathing.
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Ryan, I'd love to see you build and hunt with a sling. It's entirely impractical but undeniably impressive to see proficiency with a sling.
What do you mean impractical?
Rock slings are devastating weapons. And were used in warfare for thousands of years. The Romans thought so highly of it that they hired the famous slingers from the Balearic Islands as mercenaries.
@@Rokaize I think he means impractical in terms of hunting any animal of notable size, like a boar or deer. Not to mention, it seems that becoming accurate with a sling is a lot more difficult than becoming accurate with a bow or atlatl.
If you want to be really good with a weapon you have to practice a lot. Just doing two is going to reduce his skill on one. Spreading him out to three is not a great idea however the sling is very good for small game.
Shooting a bison with a bow reminds me of an experience I had years ago. I had read a hunting article in a famous bow hunting magazine back in the early 80's. The writer was the editor for the magazine if I remember correctly. He hunted on the Sioux Reservation in SD and bragged up how he took a bison with his recurve, and what a great experience it was to have accomplished such a feat. He put 3 arrows into the beast and the article got a little vague after that. Well...just happens that I talked which the tribal ranger that took him out. He said that he (the ranger) had to shoot the critter as it was running all over the countryside with arrows sticking out of it from all directions. Seems to me he said 5 or 6. He also stated that it looked like a porcupine and had plenty of life.
Use a high poundage bow, they can kill elephants with a single shot.
Great video Ryan! I pretty much agree with the every major point you made. Both weapons are not ideal for short term survival purposes, especially if the user is unskilled. For long term primitive living, the better choice still depends on user skill as well as the game available in that specific environment.
definitely so. thank you
Plus, for short term survival, food is very low in the list of priorities.
It was a very good discussion. However, i found myself way more fascinated by the flint knapping. That was very educational. THANKS!
I think you should do more videos like this. On survival theory and anthropology.
Perfect video as for the content, logic and the short footages of use of both weapon! Thanks!
thank you very much!
Great video. Another piece of the pie that's stark to me being from Australia is what materials are available for spear or arrow heads. Australia has very little stone for good heads (only one region has chalcedony and is known for beautiful points, called the Kimberley region, the rest of the nation used quartz to my knowledge). I'm convinced that the lack of good sharp heads are why Australian Aboriginals used very large atlatls. The mass needed for good penetration when a hardwood point was the technology available is much more than that for an obsidian head. So yeah for me where I'm at, a largish atlatl and 8-10 foot spears are what I would want. I've used a few (not hunting) and I find the larger size much more accurate too. And very powerful.
I agree, for hunting medium-sized game like deer, ibex and feral goat, I would prob use a bow. For water buffalo, Bison, Bull elk etc I would def use a atlatl since it has more penetration power
Like that you put the video clips in for context.
Nice video keep up the good work
another great video very helpful for when i go out because i have made my atlatl also an interesting topic
Fantastic video!!
Could you do a video about primitive warfare/disputes, and what people might have fought over?
Also I think the domestication of wolfs (dogs) and how they helped primitve man, would be a cool topic to.
The topic of dogs would be a tough one because domestication was equally thier doing, not exactly clear cut either.
And also one would have to speak specifically towards certain tribes because some only made use others kept a health stock and others saw the dog as a tribal member.
Also it gets pretty cruel by today's standards because for some tribes who's dogs where tribal members breeding deffered based on the human companion prestige in the tribe, the dogs prestige in the tribe and if the dog was lead or not, reason I mention it gets pretty cruel is because dependent on a few factors would the dog be eaten or not, buried or not, bait (live and dead).
I ought to have said he'd have to do a series on it and kept it at that. Sorry for long winded comment
I just suscribed to apocabox, and so with my first box, and the welcome box I got a flint knife kit, and an atlatl kit. So I'm on a journey with primitive tools at the moment. Thanks for your video's. They are irreplaceable in my journey. Thank you so much.
One thing I'd add though is that you don't have to have a pretty polished perfectly bow to start a survival situation. When I entered the Army survival, my first step was to find about a 1.5" diameter springy maple sapling and used paracord for a string. Sure, the paracord stretched in time, but I used it for a whole 4 week course and made several types of arrows to handle different game requirements. Simple reed shafts with wooden blunts for small game (quick and easy to make), 4' long serrated or sawtooth arrow for spear fishing and waterfowl taking and several more typical length arrows in case medium sized game came along. It literally took me 30 minutes to make the initial bow and maybe another hour to get a couple utility arrows around. In my survival pack I happen to carry a small zebco fishing reel and that came in handy for taking the water fowl & fishing. My attempts with an Atlatl up here in the north, where we don't have heavy river cane or bamboo make it much more difficult to find long straight spear materials, so where you are in the world will also come into this question.
You can also use fire to straighten crooked sticks, but only so much. If the only trees around don't even give you decently straight shafts, then no chance with an atlatl.
Due the circumstances, I will build my first atlatl, and hone and own that skill. Better to have one skill that I master, than 5 skills I don't own. I am going to check out your website. I might like to get some classes in primitive atlatl hunting. Also stone knife making.
You finished the point in that little talk amazing
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Same:)... I have more accuracy with the bow :)))
Great stuff, Ryan.
thank you very much
Nice footage
I made a quick atlatl at my park with a pocket knife and a maple sapling. I kept some of the small branches and they worked like fletching. Up here in the north east only small saplings can be used, i made it in under 30 minutes. I tried makibg a bow with a pocket knife, it took over 2 hours and i didn't string it so i can season it.
I love bow and arrow
I've been curious for a while watching your videos. Have you ever used an amentum to launch your spears? A string launching method instead of a fashioned piece of wood, I find them incredibly effective myself. I vote atlatl type weapon as I know I can't make a decent hunting bow but a pointed stick with a simple holding string/fabric launcher definitely doable. Also a great throwing toy for kids if they have the space search "swiss arrows" for what I mean could help hone the skills at an early age
I as beginner would prefer the atlatl, because I could never build a bow.
Even if I can't throw that well... I'd rather go with that.
But then again, traps work out easier lol
Building a bow capable of taking game is not anywhere near as hard as you might think. Building a nice bow is more difficult but still doable for a novice. I would say making arrows is probably more difficult at least in my experience. I'm no expert but I've probably made 15 bows in my life
@@bowlofrice8 what wood do you use building a arrow is not as hard u can use river stone as a arrow point that u rub on other stone with water
Yea once you did it it might be easier.
But then... how the heck is a beginner able to shoot with it.
I didn't even want to point out the arrow making.
I've never built a bow, I get the mechanisms but from how bows are under tension and all... It's a very fragile product in comparison to an atlatl.
@@peterlustig8021 for a beginner it is not esay but he can try flintknapin is the same as glass knaping arrowhead you use the same techneach
Good to see I'm not the only one who smashes my thumb nail doing this on occasion 😀
That account of the atlatl penetrating the spanish armor is very interesting
Nice shoot bro 👍
I gotta get me one of those shirts!
awesome possum video can you make more bowfishing and how to make atalti for spear fishing
The only qualifier I would interject in a survival situation is self defense but a sharpened stick would do that. As you said, long term survival develop the more intricate systems. Good show.
A rigid spear is also a good choice in the short term survival situation, THEN, an atlatl, then a bow for me, if I'm unsure who or what is in the forest, I'll have a spear in my hand as I explore around
Love the shirt, brother 😂 I’d wear it.
Personally, i would go with a plain rock or a wooden spear as my "starter weapon". They are very easy to make (or in the case of a rock, no building at all), can take down smaller animals and fish with relative ease, and both are easier to use than an atlatl. As time goes on, I would stick to a spear with a stone head for less experienced users, but either a bow or atlatl if they know how to use it/ can learn it in the situation. Another point, the higher poundage of a draw weight, the harder it is to make a bow that holds up, particularly the string. It might be better to use multiple weapons. Like a spear for larger game and fish, while a bow for smaller, agile game due to draw weight limitations, but with a clear accuracy and speed advantage. I know that this video is for atlatls and bows, but thats just a rough idea for what i personally would think. Wonderful video.
Good video
Love the content.. and I have to salute you and all your wisdom because I recently just for kicks made my first hickory "fire hardened" bow and it is just terrible.. I was surprised by the fact that it had no checks/cracks but it at some point warped and now the string sits way off.. it shoots hard when it shoots straight lol it will never have a consistent shot.. 1 out of 10 arrows fly true and fall on target.. so I'm gonna go cut some more shagbark staves and try again.. but I'm working on my atlatl now as well.. I watched most of your videos and some clay Hayes and the guys who claim to be scientific when "fire hardening" bows.. I'd say I spent roughly 48 hours reading and watching content on bow making and I got damn close.. it's going to be trial and error for me.. plus I do not have any power tools or tiller trees.. I'm using a tomahawk and a Leatherman wave+.. nothing else.. I want some stone tools!!! I need you to teach classes!
An atlatl wouldn’t do much against plate armor, but most Spanish soldiers would probably be wearing something like gambeson(padded armor), so this makes sense.
When it comes to long term survival the correct answer is both and everything all and above. If you can make them. Make a bow and arrows, several atlatl, a net, a club, a throwing sticks and whatever else you can make. T
Don’t you hate it when you fail to penetrate? Great video Ryan, thanks for your insight
I have a shirt with similar words ,it says everyone wants to be a heathen until it's time to do heathen things , with a picture of a viking, bought it 5 years ago.
You are my favorite you tuber can you upload more videos
You’re talking about trapping but do you have a video about it or do you know someone else with a good video about it?
If so could you link it
Believe Dave Canterbury has video on trapping. Search trapping something pops up. No point setting traps if can't track a little - set on the sidewalk or side yard sorta thing.
Unless you're trapping Raccoons and House Cats... 😳
Bow
Atlatl
Agreed about traps. Never used nets except for fish. A throwing stick (non-returning boomerang) is good for small game and can stun medium game like a 20-30 lb pig. Thrown rocks with accurate strike. Best and 1st, after shelter and good water, is a trap line. My opinion, anyway.
You made it clear to me have the skills to do it before you find yourself in a survival situation failing that and failing to get rescued atlatl first then a bow and practice with both a lot
Something else to consider is environmental conditions. For instance in my area while you could make either a bow or atlatl, making the ammunition would be a serious task in itself, a staff sling would be a better choice here, that being said, you have to have developed that skill ahead of time.
Question: Bow or Atl-Atl to harvest meat? Answer: Trapping has proven to be my most reliable hunting method. I have had success with home-built bows and arrows, so if I had the luxury of time and the right resources I'd try to make arrows and a bow. Simple, unfletched arrows might be good enough for hunting birds at close range. I'd probably make a thrusting spear first as it is relatively quick to make and it is a means of despatching larger animals in traps.... and it might make me feel safer as I was wandering in the scrub. Thanks for sharing your knowledge and all the interesting videos.... best wishes from New Zealand.
in order of ease
1. bring your own food
2. find edible plants
3. worms and bugs
4. trap and fish with nets
5. hunt, plant gardens, trade obsidian for pemmican...
@@nmarbletoe8210why would you trade your way of process the food that you have already for more food??? Because when it runs out you don’t have your obsidian anymore….
@@blacksnapper7684 Yup don't trade it if you don't have a source. I'm thinking of ancient times when trade was a big deal.
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Best T shirt ever!
thanks much!
Hey Ryan, I was wondering when you go out hunting, how do you actually spot that there is activity and wildlife around? And how to you then go ahead and track/stalk said wildlife and get close enough to then take the shot? Having gone out a few times with my recurve I find it incredibly difficulty to locate any deer, rabbits etc and then stalk and track them. Thanks for reading!
Great question
Keep doing research in junction with continuous efforts to hunt. Just spend more time outside and and be intentional on learning from nature and you will find as your confidence grows so will the number of your game encounters!
Look for poop. Become good at identifying various types of poop. Research and study of this. Look for trails, they are a lot smaller than you think they will be, think inches not feet. Look for disturbed vegetation, grass, small plants that indicate something moved through, sometimes this can be very faint but if you can discern any disturbance or different coloring or shades of coloring it will mean something. Study tracks of everything from mice to hooved animals, cats or felines, dogs or canines, people tracks. Study your own tracks. Walk through an area, grass, bushes, forest etc then circle back and see what disturbances you made. Keep doing all this consistently and you will become better and better at "seeing" what passed through there.
I listen and use smell and with the kangaroos you can sneak up and then quickly sprint and throw a spear into the heart or use a boomerang
Tom brown has written great books on this subject... nature observation and tracking and art and science of tracking. Hope this helps.
hunt into the wind , take note of sign , also early morning and i mean early and the last hour are very good times to spot game moving or feeding , hunt in your sox or soft shoes at these times carry your boots in your pack , you should have a better chance < the most important thing IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET
The law of diminishing returns. Skills obtained now support technology, advanced or simple in future situations.
Have you ever used the rock sling? I been making and using em for a few years now. I can send you some if you want. Absolutely love the shirt, i want one
Have you ever heard of a stick/staff sling? Its basically a sling on the end of a stick. You could throw 3 or 4 pound rocks with the right length of stick at least 50 to 75 yards with considerable force if you practice enough , I believe David killed the giant Goliath with a staff sling because he went to the river with his staff in hand and Goliath said "Am I a dog boy that you come at me with sticks?" I wonder what Goliath thought when he fell on his face with a rock in his forehead :) god bless.
@@jccornerstone yes, i have heard, and seen em. I never used one myself. The way i was taught in catholic school was that David kept his shepherd staff close by, since he was a shepherd. I believe it was more of an insult, towards the soldiers, when they sent some poor kid to fight him. Which i dont believe david had many possessions, his staff would have been his most prized, on account that the sling was seen as a poor mans weapon, in most civilizations at the time.
@@jccornerstone I have made and used both slings and staff slings. I doubt David used a staff sling because it is less versatile and more finicky to use. Shepherds are known to carry staffs and crooks as a tool and a weapon so it doesn’t necessarily mean he used a staff sling. Staff slings are weapons of war.
Thats real hunting.
I've seen stone points tested on Spanish armor. They shattered. Steel points normally fail badly on plate armor. Quality matters. A really strong bow with a steel point can get through most mail. I'm going to shut up.
Something tells me they where not aiming for the plate…the accounts of native Americans vs Vikings is pretty interesting too
Have you ever used a rabbit stick to hunt small game, and if so, how would you compare that to using a bow & arrow or atlatl in a survival situation?
Why would you be trying to get rescued?
If you want to go home, just work on getting rescued. Find water & shelter first. You won't starve within the week.
*Which weapons/tools are better for long term hunting & survival?
1. Traps for small animals & Nets for fishing
2. A simple spear, w/ barbed point(s), for shallow fishing or slower small varmints
(He didn't say this)
3. A bow takes more skill to build, but it's faster & more accurate for small to medium animals (hunt from hiding)
4. An atlatl spear has more power to penetrate larger animals, or to go into deep water.
*But you have to have the proficiency and skill to use the weapon, either one. It takes practice to learn to be effective.
How would you make a strong enough bow string? In this situation
Probably by hunting or scavenging a semi large animal and then processing the hide/tendons
Sinew, Rawhide and/or Natural Fiber Cordage... but again Know How and Experience are the thing... Environment and time of year also play a significant roll as well.
Inner tree fiber dried and twisted into string, then follow infinite loop tutorial.
profit.
I watched a documentary once from South America where they were using week looking and short bows but shooting huge long arrows that look more like atlatl darts. What’s up with that? Is it that spine doesn’t matter at all with those 7 footers?
I would use a bow to survive, but i love the Atlatl. I am a trapper and usually am very successful in placemant of traps for food.
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Wap stick and rabbit stick first, then for larger game sling and bow/arrow
The sling is a HORRIBLE weapon to use in a survival situation! It takes years to get even semi good with it in a non chaotic environment, not to mention when your hungry and your strength isn’t where it should be to be able to sling a bullet hard enough to do any good it makes it almost suicide to pick that over something like a spear or throwing club, I’d like to add that the sling losses it’s usability when you start getting into denser and denser areas such as swamps, Forrest, and jungles making it impossible to literally operate, but if your in a relatively open area and you have the practice (which most people don’t and won’t have time to get) your golden, but here’s the even worse part about a sling: it’s a big weapon. By that I mean it requires big movements for long periods of time to use which brings a lot of attention to yourself and it’s not exactly quiet either. Think about it. Do you really want to have to swing something around making a whooshing sound for a few seconds while your trying to be quiet and not draw attention to yourself? If your answer is yes your not on my team but slings do have range so again if your in an open area and you’ve go some sort of cover such as big rocks you might be good. Basically what I’m trying to say is there are too many things that have to be perfect for it to be remotely useful…
what about the difference between an atlatl and a javelin for example? the javelin should be much quicker to build although a bit heftier? would be nice to see a comparison video of both a handmade atlatl and javelin for hunting with energy outputs, effective range, anything else you can think of!!
If you consider a javelin a thrown spear then you could also consider the atlatl an advancement of that tech.
The world record for a javelin throw is 104m. The world record for an atlatl throw is 258m. So that's at least distance that the atlatl has the advantage. The reason is the atlatl acts as an extention of your arm. A lever of sorts. It allows you to multiply the force of the throw by almost double if not more.
Personally, and I'm no pro with either weapon, I would choose the atlatl over javelin any day.
Now *maybe* a thick enough javelin could be used as more of a spear for possible melee defense. Helpful for if *you* are the prey. But as a hunter an atlatl would be superior imo.
Where's the source for atlatls penetrating spanish 16th century breastplates? Would love to read more about that, because frankly I think that is impossible, and from all the modern testing done it would certainly be impossible. It definitely would have been a deadly weapon if employed en-mass, mortared or not, because I do believe the impact would be substantial whether it hit arm or or not, and if it didn't hit steel armour it probably would cut clean through; similar to how a longbow was devastating against armoured knights employed en mass, even though they could not penetrate solid plates of steel.
European armour up until the 17th century was actually some of the best armour you could wear; that much is just fact; by the 15th & 16th century, Europeans had mastered armour-crafting and discovered what is pretty much the most effective armour-type for traditional blade based weapons. That said, it was the canon that truly made the difference to the conquistador's conquests, all things considered. I can't imagine being someone from a culture who had never seen gunpowder weapons, and then facing 16th century European gunpowder weapons that had been being developed and evolved upon already for centuries.
Each one has its applications,,
I carry a fishing kit in an altoids can ,with me always ,because you never know what can happen ,I pride myself in various ways to procure food , because again you never know what's going to happen , and water ,fire and shelter are all must learn things.
About how long ago were bows first used?
Don't suppose you have a video on how to process a kill afterwards? Hate to be in situation where I can kill game but mess up butchering it.
I don't, but I will likely be doing one relatively soon
what about rock slings?
i go atlatl for simple reason a bow breaks and you could hurt yourself bad, also easier to lear to throw than to get use to arrows that not dead straight, i dont think if knowing how to hunt with bow helps, but throwing stones balls and other stuff or darts can get food, also atlatl can be used as a spear to warn of a cheesed of preditor but an arrow not so easy
Blow gun? Throwing stick? Gig?
I pick spear
Don't you hate immensely long intros
My choice is a sat phone. : )
Better to know and harvest edible plants, and set snares and deadfalls for backup. Plants are way easier to catch !
When man developed the bow & arrow, the spear became obsolete.. I've played w/ an Atlatl for fun, but I still hunt w/ a Bow, there's too much motion w/ an Atlatl for hunting in a tree stand.
R Toguidver the Throwing spear, but the trusting spear was still a good defense weapon to keep distance between you and danger such as a predator or a human. In fact it lasted all the way down through history in most cultures. It’s actually where the idea of a rifle bayonet came from. I know you were talking about a hunting senerio though.
Do you ever make blowguns ?
What about a sling?
It's speed vs impact really, I know blow gun is best for small game and even up to deer (that's with bone or flint broadhead darts, they weren't used by primitive societies because they had the bow, but they're just as deadly and effective). Blow guns are faster than bows , bows are faster than atlatl, atlatl is faster than a large spear.
I took four different rounds of SERE training!!!!
Campfire conversation, 10,000BC
I’m just going with range and safety and say the bow.
To survive - do as you must
To live - do as you do
Like Yoda " do or do not, there is no try"
1 none or both
The best is obviously neither. It is trapping.
I would make a crossbow, much easier to get good with, and not that much harder to make than a bow.
High humidity or heat wouldn't stop a true caveman from hosting his podcast in his cave. Lol
I think I won't even hunt big animals cause I don't know how to preserve the meat :))... One rabbit ~2 days would do the job for me:)
yeah because smoking and drying meat is really hard. you hunt to get enough meat to last at least a month, then you can improve your camp at leisure.
Screw that even if it was short term, if there are animals where ever I am, I'm building a bow it's not that hard. But if I'm surviving I'm getting food. And bow strings are designed to not break so, and pretty much all the time they dont so what ur saying about bows is incorrect
where are you getting a bowstring designed to not break? you have to make the string yourself and that is no small task
@@buzzy610 From your pocket. Carry some everywhere you go.
It’s takes months to even years to make a bow worth using alone not to mention the arrows also it’s takes more that chopping a sapling down and putting a string on it, waiting for your wood to season is completely stupid when you can just make some throwing clubs and go hunt, also what organic bowstring doesn’t wear out over time???
Bow vs atlatl is the same as bow versus gun... technology advances, making killing easier... If atlatls were so great, the bow would have remained a novelty instead of becoming a mainstream, global technology.
very Slavic appearance. are you Russian?
Wears "Cave Man Shirt"...needs modern AC LOL!!
haha..perfect irony
I have always appreciated how you can take a ribbing, Ryan. Lemme know when you wanna do that SD antelope hunt!
I thank you would want to make a trap trap a hole brunch you could start a farm this one you tuber killed a bear with a blow gun
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Good video, but an atlatl dart can’t penetrate the steel armor that the Spanish wore. Sure, the padded armor they sometimes wore can be penetrated by it, but steel? Nah
That is what is written in the Spanish Journals, not mine.. But I could absolutely put one of my bison hunting spears through a car door.
HuntPrimitive Tod Cutler has a video of an accomplished archer using a 200 pound longbow that can’t make it through a steel breastplate. It’s on TH-cam if you’d like to see.
I’m sure the atlatl could punch through a car door. It is an impressive weapon for sure. But a thin aluminum car door vs some of the best steel armor produced in Europe at the time? I just don’t see it. Could be a good video for you to test though.
@@huntprimitive9918 Huh, didn’t know that. I have heard of the Spanish accounts of Aztec and Incan slingers who could break bones under the armor. An observer said it could kill a horse.
It’s been tested several times
@@blacksnapper7684 By who? Provide a source so people can go look at it. All you’ve done is made a claim with no evidence to support it.
I thought the very concept of a prepper was that they prepared for these situations, which would include deciding on a bow or atlatl, getting one and learning how to use it? Anyone who hasn't done anything at all in advance, and finds themselves having to flee the city and head for the woods, is gonna be SOL for the most part. The last few years we've seen this prepper movement spawn all kinds of industries, "experts" and their advice, gear, etc. mostly for something highly unlikely to ever really happen, all Netflix movies aside. I wonder if we have true electoral justice and the Dems' election theft is overturned, will we have enough mayhem to create true bug out events? My guess is no, there will be mass violence and law enforcement, military and natl. guard will need to get involved. People in blue cities like Shitcago, L.A., NYC, Portland and Seattle are really gonna be screwed, and they'll deserve it for electing the wimps who've allowed it all to happen over the last few months. Cities with armed populations will make short work of BLM and Antifa, or any other anarchist scum.
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You said The Atlatal predated the bow, so that made it better? The Atlatal and the bow predated firearms.