MEDIEVAL ARMOUR TESTED! - Arrows vs Amour 2

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  • 160lbs ENGLISH WARBOW shoots FULL WEIGHT MEDIEVAL ARROWS at reproduced MEDIEVAL ARMOUR. Find out what happens!
    ‘Arrows vs Armour’ is back and we are shooting medieval war arrows at the top half of an armoured knight using armour and arrows that are correct in every detail. This film shows exactly what happened…….
    Thousands of knights were slain by the English archers at battles like Agincourt, even though they wore full armour; we just didn’t know how and this film goes a long way to explaining what actually occurred.
    TV companies have no interest in doing these tests for real with correct armour and real experts who talk about what they see, not about what the script tells them to say. We film it and we show it. No pre-written scripts, no hype, no fluff, no predetermined TV outcomes; just factual truth. All filmed by professional TV crew, but working for us, our way.
    This project generated so many questions that we had to make other films to answer them and these are linked below.
    We have also put together a website hosting all the films, documents, supplier contacts and biographies for this series of films todtodeschini.com/youtube-pro...
    Arrows vs Armour 2 - Plate tests • ARROWS vs ARMOUR 2 - B...
    Arrows vs Armour 2 - Mail tests • ARROWS vs ARMOUR 2 - D...
    Arrows vs Armour 2 - Arrowhead tests • ARROWS vs ARMOUR 2 - B...
    Arrows vs Armour 2 - How powerful is a war bow? • ARROWS vs ARMOUR 2 - H...
    Produced by
    todcutler.com and todsworkshop.com
    Music: Rise - by TwinsMusic - Licenced from Bensound.com
    00:00 Intro
    09:33 Shooting from the front - round 1
    12:18 Shooting from the front - round 2
    17:28 Knights "walking into the storm"
    22:13 Shooting three quarters
    25:34 Shooting side
    29:29 Slow motion footage
    32:08 Shooting hardened arrowheads
    34:17 Armour Damage
    35:54 Shooting at the breaths and visor
    39:20 Conclusions

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  • @HistoricalWeapons
    @HistoricalWeapons ปีที่แล้ว +3594

    Can’t believe I get to watch this for free. The amount of work and time required is incredible. I want to add that people often forget that the horse is a much larger target (and not as well armoured for the average horse) and getting thrown off your horse can kill or disable you, or at least reduce your morale in the melee. Don’t forget most of the killing was done in the melee. It seems the longbows were excellent against anything but plate armor, but even these Agincourt era plate armoured knights were vulnerable to longbow arrows due to the lack of plate armor for the entire horse of this time period, reducing their momentum of their cavalry charge. So yes, longbowmen were still useful against heavy cavalry of this era

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +331

      Thanks Jack and some great thoughts there. Whatever is thought of the longbow and what it can do, what is evident is that as you said " It seems the longbows were excellent against anything but plate armor,"

    • @mchernett
      @mchernett ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Love your channel too. Keep it up!

    • @andkonblack
      @andkonblack ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@tods_workshop it’s jack

    • @Gman-109
      @Gman-109 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Agreed, 100%.

    • @Cahirable
      @Cahirable ปีที่แล้ว +48

      It's not strictly true that heavy cavalry of the period was vulnerable to longbows. Valmont in 1416 and Vernueil in 1424 showed that *some* cavalry was sufficiently protected to charge straight through archers, regardless of their longbows and the stakes they had planted before them. This does seem to be a minority, however.
      (See the Gesta Henrici V for Valmont and Richard Wadge's book on Vernueil)

  • @BrasaodeArmas
    @BrasaodeArmas ปีที่แล้ว +2838

    Impressive work, Tod! But we do have evidence concerning arrowheads steel hardened in medieval times as Kelly Devries states in his _Journal of Medieval Military History_ (Page 157) in which a metallographic test is conducted in some type XVI medieval arrowheads. Kelly and his team concluded that 3 of those arrowheads were steel hardened, so we can be more confident to stress that they really applied hardened steel on arrowheads. Also, there is an interesting edict by King Henry IV that may support this evidence: the Act of Parliament of 1405 states that "If arrows are found to be soft then the Arrowsmith will go to jail and his stock will be confiscated. (7 Hen. IVc7)

    • @MedievalArrows
      @MedievalArrows ปีที่แล้ว +230

      Type 16 arrowheads are usually steel barbs welded to iron sockets. This is actually irrelevant to our tests however, because we're dealing with bodkins. Perhaps I should have been more clear in saying that evidence of steel, steeled or otherwise hardened "bodkins" and not "arrowheads" is lacking.
      We are also aware of many official requests and descriptions throughout the medieval period of hard, steeled, steel and "well boiled" arrowheads, from the 1300s to the 1540s, but no actual evidence of case hardened bodkins exists, and if Arrowsmiths were simply told to make them and did, we wouldn't have recurring requests for them, they would just be the standard.

    • @MedievalArrows
      @MedievalArrows ปีที่แล้ว +166

      As an addition, despite there being a law in place that arrowsmiths supplying soft arrowheads would be sent to prison, even in 1545 Ascham writes that he himself has inspected sheaf arrows with heads that would not pass the checks made by officers.
      If arrowheads were being regularly hardened, this would not be the case. What we're actually seeing is that numerous requests for hardened heads are simply being IGNORED, not followed, regardless the potential punishments. This is apparent both in the physical evidence (no case hardened heads exist) and in the documents as if they were being supplied hardened, they wouldn't need to continously attempt to re-enforce the regulations.

    • @BrasaodeArmas
      @BrasaodeArmas ปีที่แล้ว +404

      @@MedievalArrows I see, I guess that was the problem indeed: you ended up generalizing "arrowheads" instead of stressing only "bodkins" on your conclusions. Also, it would be nice if you pointed out that we have evidence of other types of case hardened arrowheads to problematize even more the discussion. But it was a fantastic piece of work, regardless of my humble observations.

    • @MedievalArrows
      @MedievalArrows ปีที่แล้ว +96

      @@BrasaodeArmas we don't have ANY evidence of any case hardened heads, regardless of type.
      We only have evidence of a few steel bodkins, and lots of steel-barbed iron-socketed barbed heads.

    • @pavementsailor
      @pavementsailor ปีที่แล้ว +38

      Wouldn't be the first time a contractor shorted the Kings edict for an extra penny.

  • @eloquentsarcasm
    @eloquentsarcasm ปีที่แล้ว +810

    Absolutely STAGGERING accuracy, Joe is a master archer. Watching his pull and hold, he has almost zero wobble, once he's fully locked his aim never falters. An entire unit of men like him on the field would have terrifying to face.

    • @doratheexploder286
      @doratheexploder286 ปีที่แล้ว +70

      and considering every able bodies man was required to train every week, there would be no shortage of skilled longbowmen to scare the bejezus out of the enemy.

    • @frontenac5083
      @frontenac5083 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@doratheexploder286 *able-bodied

    • @iZaners
      @iZaners ปีที่แล้ว

      Why does he look like he's about to take a shit when he shoots

    • @eloquentsarcasm
      @eloquentsarcasm ปีที่แล้ว +61

      @@iZaners The kinesthetics of archery means it might look goofy, but it works. You have to contort your body like that when pulling draw weights over 100 lbs without pulley assists like modern compound bows. Bone scans of ancient archers show the massive strain and damage a lifetime of shooting warbows caused, even WITH proper techniques used.

    • @Papst_Polle
      @Papst_Polle ปีที่แล้ว +10

      25:10 He is so giddy to get some good shots in the side, I love it

  • @DH-xw6jp
    @DH-xw6jp ปีที่แล้ว +561

    As terrifying as it would be to walk into the rain of arrows aimed at you, could you imagine being one of the archers watching a hulking tower of iron walking toward you with malicious intent seemingly unfazed by the three arrows sticking out of his throat?

    • @MandalorV7
      @MandalorV7 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      At the distance he’s shooting at, if I’m the archer I probably have only two options left after the second arrow is loosed: fall back or switch to my melee weapon. The second option would probably been dreadful for a peasant archer.

    • @airekofvinlandslayerofthes7965
      @airekofvinlandslayerofthes7965 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@MandalorV7 Peasant Spearmen would be a menace to mounted cavalry. So I'm sure a Peasant Archer would be equally threatening to a knight, mounted or not.

    • @dabo5078
      @dabo5078 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      @@MandalorV7 Well not really considered a lot of the knights felled at Agrincourt was in melee combat with the archers. These are professional man at arms and peasantry that been through many battles. Some might even look forward to it since the enemy knight would be far easier to capture and ransome if beaten to surrender in melee combat.

    • @djb3500
      @djb3500 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MandalorV7 Frankly I would rather be a peasant archer with a ranged weapon that I could shoot at the rich b*stard's crotch than be handed a cheap spear and told to go do the dying for my betters. Also, imagine being a standard infantryman with a boiled leather breastplate and maybe a bit of steel on your helmet faced with being shot with even one of those arrows. Even if you survived the immediate impact, you knew a penetration wound like that carried a massive risk of infection and an agonizing death from gangrene.

    • @stevencoardvenice
      @stevencoardvenice ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I guess you can see why they call the Knight the "medieval tank"

  • @Drachinifel
    @Drachinifel ปีที่แล้ว +840

    It was a huge privilege to be able to help out with this!

    • @airnt
      @airnt ปีที่แล้ว +20

      you're a legend!

    • @Cervando
      @Cervando ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Amazing work!

    • @EXO9X8
      @EXO9X8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      A surprise but a welcome one nonetheless.

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +90

      And you did Drach - big time. We really appreciate your input and great to have you around over the weekend

    • @Gman-109
      @Gman-109 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Wow, another channel I LOVE. Great job Drach. Are you back in the UK now after your visit to the USA?

  • @kaameeapina153
    @kaameeapina153 ปีที่แล้ว +794

    joe is an absolute animal,cant believe how good he is ,not many can even draw 160 pounder,but to be that accurate constantly with it is extraordinary,just amazing

    • @strellettes8511
      @strellettes8511 ปีที่แล้ว +57

      look at the size of the mans torso compared to his legs. Dudes all upper body.

    • @steven251134
      @steven251134 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      At the end when he was just head down and putting arrow after arrow into the helmet, I can only imagine how much that must have burned by the end! But pinpoint accurately to the last arrow.

    • @petriew2018
      @petriew2018 ปีที่แล้ว +112

      that's kind of an interesting ancillary thing in this video. Movies and games tend to give this idea that archery is fairly easy, that it's the perfect weapon for the less physically gifted fighters. But even a guy as big as Joe is physically straining just to draw that thing. You have to be unbelievably strong to be a good military archer.
      the first hand accounts of Agincourt say the archers were armed with hammers or maces for close in combat, bashing the tired french knights down to the ground once they finally got into close combat and forcing them to surrender. Really makes you understand just how bloody effective that really would have been, given the brute strength these guys would have had. professional longbowmen were not something to be underestimated in a melee situation

    • @charlesharper2357
      @charlesharper2357 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Archeologists have no problem telling who the long bowmen were due to their deformed torsos

    • @manjitahzan9577
      @manjitahzan9577 ปีที่แล้ว

      If gun was not invented, we will see people go to war wearing plate armor today.

  • @justinmaddox8353
    @justinmaddox8353 ปีที่แล้ว +141

    Great evaluation. I''m a retired Army Combat Medic, and Surgical technician with 49 years experience, much of which was in trauma surgery. Where the arrow struck just below the color bone (clavicle) could easily result in death. The top of the lung often is found in that area, as are many important anatomically significant structures, like the subclavian artery and vein. While not resulting in as quick of a bleed out as a femoral artery laceration, it's quite possible. On top of that, if the lung is compromised, well, that too COULD result in death.
    Just food for thought.
    God bless
    Justin

    • @stevencoardvenice
      @stevencoardvenice ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Well that's why the mail on the neck covers that area!

    • @injest1928
      @injest1928 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It's amazing what people can sometimes survive. It's also amazing what can sometimes kill people.

    • @stevencoardvenice
      @stevencoardvenice 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@injest1928 tiny tiny microscopic life forms can kill us. Completely invisible to humanity until the microscope came around in the 1700s

    • @HanSolo__
      @HanSolo__ 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      What about blunt (no penetration) blows to the chin when the head turns and shifts? Could it be a knock-out blow? Taking the energy those arrows (thick and heavy) deliver with such a powerful bow. We assume the chain mail goes up to cover at least the entire neck and maybe partially the lowest part of the jaw bone. The mail coif was only worn this way.

  • @piccalillipit9211
    @piccalillipit9211 ปีที่แล้ว +154

    *THIS WILL BE USED* as reference material for the next 50 years - well done guys...!!!
    Thank you to everyone who contributed.

    • @AverageAlien
      @AverageAlien ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Next 500 years even

    • @thenewcamelot8873
      @thenewcamelot8873 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      10000 years @@AverageAlien

    • @regwatson2017
      @regwatson2017 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Rubbish. He was way too close to the target compared to what would have happened in real life.

    • @arcticwulf5796
      @arcticwulf5796 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@regwatson2017the English archers were also put in melee during the battle.
      They definitely also point blank shot the french knights.

    • @didoubrenko1205
      @didoubrenko1205 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bro they use actual renforced arrow and that was the only one who perced btw the cheapest mail possible

  • @JjackVideo
    @JjackVideo ปีที่แล้ว +752

    The French fear of getting hit in the face could be a survivor bias. Sure they got hit and it hurt, but it didn't kill them.
    The dudes getting hit under the shoulder or in the throat would likely not be alive to have their accounts written down.

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +248

      Very true - nice point

    • @Williazzzz
      @Williazzzz ปีที่แล้ว +31

      When they put they heads down the helmet ends in the way of a direct hit on the aventail, i wonder if that had something to do with it.

    • @BlazingSteel
      @BlazingSteel ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Heck, Henry V survived an arrow to the face when he was 16 years of age.

    • @mcsmash4905
      @mcsmash4905 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@BlazingSteel i dont know why but getting hit by an arrow in the face seems somewhat worse than a bullet , but then again at least the bullet puts you out of your misery (most of the time at least)

    • @BlazingSteel
      @BlazingSteel ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@mcsmash4905 That's probably it.
      That and also if arrows are stuck in the ground, that arrow has bacteria that can cause infection if it's not treated quickly or properly. And getting hit in the face and being knocked into thick and gooey mud is gonna impede how quickly you can get to medical aid.

  • @michimatsch5862
    @michimatsch5862 ปีที่แล้ว +963

    These guys are doing proper historical research and they are just releasing it like this. Freely available to the public.
    I cannot put into words how great that is.

    • @sanderson9338
      @sanderson9338 ปีที่แล้ว +81

      It's great but remember it was funded by the public.

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +196

      Thanks but yes Sanderson is right, it was crowdfunded on Kickstarter, but it has still been a vast amount of work and is still going as there are at least 4 more films coming in this series

    • @stuartburns8657
      @stuartburns8657 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@sanderson9338 And patrons bonuses...yummy

    • @jake4194
      @jake4194 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @@tods_workshop 4 more films in this series?! That is great news! 👍

    • @elgraid
      @elgraid ปีที่แล้ว +20

      Most researcher (historic or not) are more than happy to freely share their result with the public. Because at the end of the day finding out stuff is fun, but telling other about what you found is half the fun! And I know very few doctors, scientist, curators or archeologist that weren't deligthed to find an attentive ear and eyes to their field of preference.
      That being said, Thanks Tod for organizing this and thank to all of the team for giving us such great infos!

  • @GildedPoo
    @GildedPoo ปีที่แล้ว +108

    Man, people really underestimate how much strength is required to shoot bows like that. You can see the struggle in his face and arms. Impressive! I couldn't do it, pretty sure my shoulders would shatter.

    • @Walterthefriendly
      @Walterthefriendly 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Longbowmen in England can be identified by how warped their forearm bones were. It's a crazy curve

    • @Jebu911
      @Jebu911 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I guess its just fantasy rpg make you think the bow users are delicate dexterous people even tho they would have to be jacked up strongmen to fire nonstop when the enemy was in effective range. Even this great archer here who obviously gets breaks in between the shots looks quite winded for sure at some points.

    • @TAKE_BACK_BRITAIN
      @TAKE_BACK_BRITAIN 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yep, longbowmen were all likely so jacked to the point where they could probably beat an unarmored knight in a fist fight 9 times out of 10.

  • @Jus7aguy
    @Jus7aguy ปีที่แล้ว +111

    As a thought, fear of penetrating the visor might have 2 additional factors. Natural inclination to flinch and avoid things coming straight at your eyes, even if you know the goggles/visor would protect you. Also, even if it doesn't penetrate, if the arrow shatters a single wood splinter entering the slit would probably blind you in that eye for life. A suggestion for if you ever do this again, stick a sheet of thin paper behind the eye sockets inside the helmet, to see if any splinters are fragmenting through that area. (And of course if you're talking about shattered arrow fragments, you're also worried about the ones that shattered glancing off the guy Infront of, or beside you.)
    Love the video.
    A few of those non-glancing head shots that didn't penetrate might still be doing some concussion damage from the way the heads getting moved around, as well as whiplash damage to the neck

    • @MauriceTarantulas
      @MauriceTarantulas ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yep bruises etc under armour would have been very painfull and yeah the concussive effect from multiple hits could have meant your fighting ability was minimal.
      P.s Although I read recently a story of a battle vs the Turks one guy fought on with one eye and one hand etc...

    • @windhelmguard5295
      @windhelmguard5295 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@MauriceTarantulas a few things i would like to see tested as well are:
      put the guy on a rig so someone can pull him towards the archer, to simulate the speed at which the knight is moving, which could be quite fast especially if he's on a galloping horse.
      second thing i would like to see tested is to put the knight up higher, as if he's sitting on a horse, with his armoured knees and shins forward, which i assume would make shooting his groin and thigh area a lot harder.

    • @MauriceTarantulas
      @MauriceTarantulas ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@windhelmguard5295 +1!

    • @TheXasti
      @TheXasti ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@windhelmguard5295 When facing a galloping knight, you don't shoot the knight. You shoot the horse. Horse armor was used but whether it was as broad or as well placed is a question. A horse falling is going to create more mass to block horses behind it. Shooting the rider, horse may keep going in a formed charge. Shoot the horse, rider is thrown, likely injured and formation behind gets wider to avoid tripping.

    • @tallercine2349
      @tallercine2349 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@windhelmguard5295 they were on foot at Agincourt, that is why they conducted this test this way, with that armour.

  • @Monjijii
    @Monjijii ปีที่แล้ว +326

    The accuracy was absolutely incredible, you praised him so much throughout the video but the skill displayed here is astonishing, awesome to see.

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +102

      I can shoot a bow, but as with other skills I can do, when faced with someone who can execute that skill so far in advance of my skill I just get to a state of awe

    • @jamesjazwinski4412
      @jamesjazwinski4412 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@tods_workshop I'm in awe seeing that bow being drawn so many times. I'm burnt out after shooting a handful of arrows on just a 50lb I made. 80lb+ in progress. Amazing shooting and a beautiful bow. Great vid.

    • @mdstmouse7
      @mdstmouse7 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      not to mention, there aren't many people who can draw a 160lb bow.

    • @IamnotfromUSA
      @IamnotfromUSA ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@tods_workshop where the heads greesed also?

  • @Slingshotchannel
    @Slingshotchannel ปีที่แล้ว +1065

    Great experiments! It really shows that you had to shoot many, many arrows against armored enemies as most arrows would either miss or hit well protected areas. The amount of expert archers and top notch equipment is mind boggling. But so is the effort it took to fabricate ONE suit of armor like that...

    • @danielwlodawer1282
      @danielwlodawer1282 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Would be cool to see a modern take on this with the "Instant 160 pound Robin Hood" i would think... Or this double bow you created to pull even more pounds.

    • @JesusProtects
      @JesusProtects ปีที่แล้ว +24

      When you shoot like 200 arrows at the same time you know some are going to find the target.

    • @Cormano980
      @Cormano980 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      Let me show you it's features

    • @carlost856
      @carlost856 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      it's why you try to take out their horses instead of aiming for the strongest point.

    • @ArniesTech
      @ArniesTech ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Only a matter of time until Todd and Jörg team up in persona 💪

  • @hotspurhema5131
    @hotspurhema5131 ปีที่แล้ว +131

    This is an incredible piece of experimental field archaeology. Superb.
    Joe's archery is frankly terrifying. To imagine a few thousand Joes on the battlefield, loosing up to a dozen arrows a minute. Absolute carnage.

    • @AtHEEstory
      @AtHEEstory 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Imagining a few thousand Joes really cracked me up for some reason lol!

    • @hhassan1217
      @hhassan1217 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😂🤣🤣 brilliant tbh! Sounds rather exciting.

    • @dafuqmr13
      @dafuqmr13 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I'd imagine those medieval longbowmen are at least twice better than Joe, now thats a fucking nightmare

    • @aurl3119
      @aurl3119 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's a master archer tho, i don't think a lot of them were as good as he was. A couple but mostly not all of them@@dafuqmr13

    • @dafuqmr13
      @dafuqmr13 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      are u saying people who trained since they are a kid and archering for a job isnt good as this guy?@@aurl3119

  • @carolarmer1204
    @carolarmer1204 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Imagine being under a immense shower of these arrow storms , the fear ,the noise of the arrows thuding home or pinging off . The screams of pain and panic and endless intensity of arrows , it must have been frightening beyond our modern minds and then you would have to fight the battle immediately after the arrows had stopped .

    • @stevencoardvenice
      @stevencoardvenice 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It would sound like thousands of people playing air hockey at the same time. CLINK CLINK clank *PING*
      The sheer Racket must have been insane. When u get hit in the head with one, it probably really rings your bell. *BONNGGG*
      Not a profession for the faint of heart

    • @mekingtiger9095
      @mekingtiger9095 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Nowhere near as frightening as modern warfare, though. I'm not saying Medieval Warfare was an easy cake walk psychologically, specially since a constant stream of missiles would have been morale shaking to an extent, but the stressfulness and PTSD inducing conditions of modern combat is just on a whole 'nother level. You can't compare some volleys of arrows in a single day of combat to the shitstorm that was something like WW1.

    • @Jebu911
      @Jebu911 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I mean you might not hear any frightened screaming because soldiers would in many cases be yelling a battlecry when they are at close range in unison to bring up the morale. Also remember all of the guys are filled with adrenalin and that is a hell of a hormone also there is a thing called tunnel vision that anyone who has fought in real life know about you aint exactly focusing on whats around you but whats infront of you.

    • @witoldschwenke9492
      @witoldschwenke9492 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'm pretty sure modern combat is more terrifying.

  • @nahuelmat
    @nahuelmat ปีที่แล้ว +274

    This is as high quality as TH-cam can get. All of you are making an amazing job and getting the nuances of this highly controversial topic. Thanks to everyone involved for providing such content for free for the rest of us to enjoy!

  • @Crescent_Archery
    @Crescent_Archery ปีที่แล้ว +164

    An an archer, I am really impressed with Joe's stamina and accuracy! To pull a 160 lb bow that many times and be as accurate as he was. Amazing.

    • @tylerschofield
      @tylerschofield ปีที่แล้ว +10

      The mans a beast!

    • @stephenmacrae1039
      @stephenmacrae1039 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      The repeat hits within an inch of each other...incredible!

    • @beardedchimp
      @beardedchimp ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I was expecting this to be done over several days due to the stamina drain. I remember Tod interviewing him several years where he talked about how much it takes out of you and how he limits the number the number of shots to conserve his body.
      I'm in awe at the man.

    • @anonimus370
      @anonimus370 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@beardedchimp If memory serves me right Joe said that he can do 150 pounds for a long time, but his highest is like 200 pounds and that one tires him fast.

    • @QualityPen
      @QualityPen ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@anonimus370 People like to inject some good ol’ power creep into statistics about history. I regularly see people claiming longbows were “over 200+ pounds draw weight!”
      In reality, most were 75-180, with 120-150 being the most common range for professional archers.
      I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Joe finds a 150lb bow to be the highest powered bow he can shoot without rapidly depleting his strength, and this also happened to be the upper range for the power of the typical longbow.

  • @LizardManFromTheEarthCore
    @LizardManFromTheEarthCore 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The archer is a beast. Imagine facing an entire unit of soldiers like that, pointing their arrows at you. Awesome content, congratulations to everyone involved!

    • @thenewcamelot8873
      @thenewcamelot8873 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I's be ok in that armour looks like :-)

  • @jonno27
    @jonno27 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    That was magnificent. The best arrow vs armour testing I have ever seen by far. Really cool to watch the effect of form and deflection. Also to see the energy dissipation as so many of those arrows just exploded. The faceplate testing was particularly fun, and seriously impressive as to how well that helmet stood up to such punishment.

  • @lindybeige
    @lindybeige ปีที่แล้ว +1216

    Well done, everyone! It seems that when in doubt, shoot a Frenchman in the belly. You deal with 'bite' in this one, which I mentioned in a comment on one of your other recent vids. the psychological effect of a near miss to the eye must be great. Also, if you are being hit hard by many arrows, how easy is it to stay upright and advance, even if none penetrates?

    • @baneofnight315
      @baneofnight315 ปีที่แล้ว +72

      Wait a minute, aren't you supposed to be at the tank museum?

    • @charlottewalnut3118
      @charlottewalnut3118 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      That last question of yours is going to be difficult to answer unless you would like to stand in front of a bunch of long bow archers because I can’t think of many people who are going to be willing to test that theory out I’m certainly not going to do that unless you’re going to provide me with a free suit of armor But hey if you guys will pay for me to get a custom suit I’ll let you shoot at me with arrows

    • @noncompliance4100
      @noncompliance4100 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      @@charlottewalnut3118 Careful, with the battle hungry audience on here desperate to see if you could stay on your feet they will crowd fund that in a couple of hours.

    • @sinisterswordsman25
      @sinisterswordsman25 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      @@charlottewalnut3118 you're crazy... I like you lol

    • @dbareford
      @dbareford ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think the mental effect of having a kinetic impact slam my head back and seeing an arrow burst into fragments an inch in front of my face would give me great pause. Even the hits to the breastplate must feel like you've been kicked and you'd just be waiting for the next one to go through...

  • @Billybobble1
    @Billybobble1 ปีที่แล้ว +208

    Watching experts speaking about their passion is such a rewarding experience. The effort and the quality of this video is very clear and I thank all involved in it's creation, you are teaching so many, so much, and deserve all the praise from the comments. Exceptional work.

  • @wizewizard1840
    @wizewizard1840 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    There is no way this video was 45 minutes long! I started watching it without checking the runtime and when it was over I was like "well, that was a nice little video" and just saw that it lasted for almost 45 minutes! It felt like 5 at most! I've never seen time pass so quickly as it did with watching this video. Incredible - just like the bow "shooting" in this video!

  • @TAKE_BACK_BRITAIN
    @TAKE_BACK_BRITAIN 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    These lads are like the avengers of medieval military history

  • @Solidfluids
    @Solidfluids ปีที่แล้ว +335

    Would be awesome if a sound wizard could clone/cut/paste all the different arrow shattering ploinks to give an impression of how a hailstorm of arrows would've sounded hitting a group of well plated knights.

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +183

      No there is an idea

    • @BlazingSteel
      @BlazingSteel ปีที่แล้ว +63

      That'd be a nightmare. 5000 - 6750 archers firing 10 arrows per minute is gonna be hell on earth for anyone slogging through the muddy fields of Agincourt, however heavily armored they are.

    • @alexisalliel73
      @alexisalliel73 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      I want to hear that!
      It would be my morning alarm, I'm sure I'll get out of bed!

    • @TheBaconWizard
      @TheBaconWizard ปีที่แล้ว +70

      @@tods_workshop I have just done a sound design diploma, I can sort that out, no problem.

    • @georgescott6620
      @georgescott6620 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I was thinking the exact same thing, morale wins battles and the sound alone, I expect, would have a significant effect on morale.

  • @SaintDaisley
    @SaintDaisley ปีที่แล้ว +204

    Very few people can get away with being as completely and totally devoid of excitement while saying "I'm pretty excited" like Toby Capwell does. The man is a living embodiment of the stone face emoji and we all love him for it.

    • @airnt
      @airnt ปีที่แล้ว +20

      i so remember at a jousting event riding next to him, with the helmets closed, so stone faced helmet visors... and just heaaring him cowboyjell and sing Rob Zombie songs, next to me.
      i always think of him as very excitable.

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I have know Toby for quite a few years, but I have never been graced with a 'YeaHa!' and now I feel deprived

  • @byronharano2391
    @byronharano2391 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    A team of experts and men who enjoy his work and HISTORY. I never seen this channel and happy I now have

  • @bebejebe
    @bebejebe ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Man, props to Joe, he only missed two shots! And that bow looks heckin' thick. I love how this is a culmination of many masters of different aspects of shooting the target. Also this is all from one archer! There were so many archers during that battle (I'm assuming lol)

  • @sanitarycockroach9038
    @sanitarycockroach9038 ปีที่แล้ว +84

    You boys are not only picking up the slack the modern "history channels" on TV dropped, but you lads just ran a marathon with it too!
    Splendid educational content!

  • @fuferito
    @fuferito ปีที่แล้ว +194

    Historian and Museum curator, Toby Capwell, PhD and the rest of these experts giggling like schoolboys was definitely worth the price of my contribution.
    Excellent work!
    Looking forward to future projects.

    • @caseco4979
      @caseco4979 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Just Guys Being Dudes Advanced Edition

  • @Darkkfated
    @Darkkfated ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Really love the dedication to the scientific method. You took all the criticisms and (possible) shortcomings of the first test/video, did your research, verified what you were doing is as accurate as is reasonable in the modern day, and set up a new test that allowed you to glean much more information: more shots loosed, from different angles, at various parts of the armor, and with 2 types of arrowhead.
    Just astounding work. A fascinating watch. Thank you so much for making this.

  • @Mr_Bob84
    @Mr_Bob84 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    All and every person participated in making of this film deserves admiration. It is just perfect! You are a good team of passionate people, producing unique educative content of incredible accuracy and quality. Now the bar is placed very high.
    P.S. The decibels within the helmet were also measured! You came extremely prepared to this shooting.

  • @ModernKnight
    @ModernKnight ปีที่แล้ว +217

    Brilliantly informative and interesting, and also well filmed etc. impressive work from everybody.

    • @mchernett
      @mchernett ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Thank You! Lances next?

    • @breakerdawn8429
      @breakerdawn8429 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All the Medieval era TH-camrs and historical buff are here! I love being apart of this community!

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks Jason and we enjoyed it and hope you did too.

  • @Seppi1310
    @Seppi1310 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    I just finished the portion of the video that starts at 18:19 where Joe is told to actively deliver effective shots and he just blasts three shots into the underbelly of this poor knight like he was just toying before and is going for the kill now. I can't stress out enough how impressed I am by this man's skill in archery

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +54

      Us too

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      The first one made me wince in sympathy. It looks a bit like a shot to the reproductive zone.

    • @galumir
      @galumir ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Makes me think whether archers might have aimed for the croth primarily on armoured targets instead center mass. The psychological horror of your first ranks dropping in agony and bleeding out in what I imagine is quite the painful death must have been devastating to morale.

    • @jimmybobby4824
      @jimmybobby4824 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Apparently the conquistadors under Cortez would aim for their enemies crotches and faces with their swords which were unprotected and was a massive morale factor

    • @TK-fk4po
      @TK-fk4po ปีที่แล้ว +5

      But that just confirms something. A bowman had to be GOOD. And that took years and years of training. Clearly, since crossbows were so much easier to use, you can see why eventually they started being used more often.

  • @stevebauer1620
    @stevebauer1620 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This was spectacular. So many other tests have ignored the fact that armor has gaps, defects etc. Imagine being hit with 10 or more at once. It’s going to find a gap or ring your bell

  • @danieledstrom5777
    @danieledstrom5777 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I really love that they made an effort to account for the materials used. Modern industrial steel is significantly higher quality than what they had back then, so using the mild steel as a replacement was an excellent idea.

  • @mtgAzim
    @mtgAzim ปีที่แล้ว +377

    I know he's been doing it for a long time, but it's still so incredible to watch Joe repeatedly draw a bow of that weight, and be able to repeatedly strike a man sized target at that distance. It's so interesting to watch a master at his craft.

    • @matthewsaari6577
      @matthewsaari6577 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      I have to agree. I just took up archery. And even at low poundage it's shocking how tiring it can get.
      Even with breaks I'm sure they have him, doing this many at that poundage is just jaw dropping. The fact he remained accurate on top of that is incredible.

    • @terrestunicorn3782
      @terrestunicorn3782 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      I also like his stance being historically accurate, I know he’s doing it because of the bow he is firing, but it’s still very cool

    • @drewrobinson2182
      @drewrobinson2182 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      man i hope they gave that guy some breaks, this looked brutal lol

    • @chad1755
      @chad1755 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      No kidding. Drawing a 170lb bow that many times has got to be like hitting it hard in the gym. I wonder if he felt it the day after. It also makes me wonder -- how many arrows would the average archer let loose in a day's worth of fighting? And would that factor into bow weight? It's one thing to be able to draw a 170lb bow once -- it's another thing entirely to draw a 170lb bow repeatedly for an extended period of shooting.

    • @Cahirable
      @Cahirable ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@chad1755 Fewer than 48, which is how many arrows were issued to them from Edward III to Henry VIII. Simon Stanley, one of the first generation of modern warbow archers, has actually argued that a mere three arrows a minute would have produced the recorded effects at Agincourt, and I don't think he's far wrong given the mud and other factors at play. 160lbs is also, as Tod and Joe say, on the high side. Most were probably 120-150lbs.

  • @samuelgibson780
    @samuelgibson780 ปีที่แล้ว +221

    This is legit one of the best uses of the internet I've ever seen. Citizen science crowdfunded globally to answer questions I've been hoping to see more documentaries about since I was a kid. Good job guys! Thanks. 🙏

    • @frontenac5083
      @frontenac5083 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      *You have to go out more. Or rather, to learn about all the other amazing things the internet has achieved.*

  • @philiptorrens2052
    @philiptorrens2052 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Amazing work everyone involved! I was just rereading Juliet Barker's impressive Agincourt: The King, the Campaign, the Battle. She describes arrows piercing plate armour directly and finding their way through breathing vent holes and eye slits. But she didn't have the benefit of your incredible experimental archeology at the time of writing. She's shown a great willingness to revise in the light of new information, as she did between the 2005 and the 2015 600th anniversary of the battle edition. Maybe she'll incorporate your findings into future editions. Love these videos that are both entertaining and actually educational, when so much "edutainment" is actually mindless, unsupported drivel.

  • @extrasmack
    @extrasmack ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You, gentlemen, have outdone it with this production! This is the best historical armor or archery film/documentary made to date! So much irrefutably brought to light it's mind-blowing. I wish for a day when future layman history buffs will look back at this and think, "that's all common knowledge." If such an enlightened time ever comes you lot can know for a fact that these experiments paved the way. Cheers!

  • @Maaguaa
    @Maaguaa ปีที่แล้ว +452

    Gotta admire Joe for shooting all these arrows with 160lb bow that many times. Holy crap

    • @balduccirichard
      @balduccirichard ปีที่แล้ว

      The dude's torso is the size of a trunk, you can see he practices it a lot

    • @TucanusFace
      @TucanusFace ปีที่แล้ว +34

      He's an absolute beast for sure

    • @coppertopv365
      @coppertopv365 ปีที่แล้ว +28

      My shoulder and aim takes a toll drawing a 40# recurve bow getting near or over a dozen times. A 160# long bow is kinda shocking.

    • @Rockhound1943
      @Rockhound1943 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Guy is a rockstar

    • @StarWarsExpert_
      @StarWarsExpert_ ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Can someone tell me the weight of the Bow? Google says 160 lb translates into 72kg. In the Video they said it would weigh 160 pounds and that translates into 32kg, but both of these numbers seem way to high.

  • @nicolasfrebillot7899
    @nicolasfrebillot7899 ปีที่แล้ว +148

    Hi, I’m french and I feel the compassion of Dr Tobie Capwell towards this valiant French knight, he looks at him with emotion and respect, I felt that and without any surprise he showed him his gratitude with a pat on his shoulder at the end. The best part for me! We say Azincourt in French. Best.

    • @renaudtheis1197
      @renaudtheis1197 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      French here and I second that.
      Maybe next time focus on the battle of Cocherel or Patay!!😂
      But I can tell what it sounded like inside the helmet when the first arrow flew: ho merde😮

    • @AaSs-ln9mm
      @AaSs-ln9mm ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Interesting. In Russia its called Aizenkyr.

    • @TheDevilWAH
      @TheDevilWAH ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I find it had to comprehend how people fought back then, and Renaud not just the sound but imagen how it felt! I shoot archery (modern recurve) but i have shoot a light weight (60lb) longbow and the arrows are hefty and they make the target jump. From a 160lb bow not only would it sound loud but it must be like someone throwing a cricket ball as hard as they can at side of you head! I image plenty of knights feel either stunned or unconscious simply from the force. And after taking 3 or 4 even if uninjured i cant image the could have reach the english feeling all that great. Tired from running, battered and bruised, quite possible with injuries where arrows had got through.
      To have survived that suicidal charge and then still have to start actually fighting!
      Then you watch this and think christ these men were brave.

    • @noncompliance4100
      @noncompliance4100 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@TheDevilWAH Think if I'd of had my helmet rattled like that. If it hadn't knocked me stone cold out I'd of played like it had. Let another take up the mantle of front line of the advance.

    • @Leopardts
      @Leopardts ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@TheDevilWAH Consider Agincourt was one of the battles where those captured outnumbered those who were the captors, I imagine they really did have quite severe morale shock after going through that hail of arrows just to lose.

  • @SBDScott
    @SBDScott ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Flipping A! Possibly the absolute best video on TH-cam. I was enthralled the entire time. Wishing there was more. Thank you to ALL experts, and parties, camera and other crew included, to bring this masterpiece to us. Freaking A, Imma sit here, and watch it again. Let's be honest, probably two more times. Thank you all again.

  • @jeronimocarlos
    @jeronimocarlos ปีที่แล้ว

    Congratulations, amazing work!
    I came here after getting to know your work through the channel @BrasaodeArmas, the quality and seriousness taken in this research is wonderful.
    May your work and study lead to new horizons regarding the period studied.

  • @kilianortmann9979
    @kilianortmann9979 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Joe is incredible, there are few people that could shoot this kind of bow so many times, but he is also able to aim at specific points in the armour.

    • @Taygetea
      @Taygetea ปีที่แล้ว +10

      you could see him tiring out later on, but he still manages it.

  • @TechWechSech
    @TechWechSech ปีที่แล้ว +95

    As some one who has been doing HEMA for the past 17 years it brings me massive joy to see how far open source research on subjects like this has gotten since its early days. Thank you all who worked on this, it really broadens our understanding and helps people like me who study in related fiels more than you can imagine.
    Once again, thank you

  • @patriley9449
    @patriley9449 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent tests. Tod, your enthusiasm to find out what really could have happened in these ancient battles is astounding. Thanks for the videos.

  • @richardlopez5758
    @richardlopez5758 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Hey guys. I just wanted to say thanks for the great video. Also, a big thanks to those involved. Seeing how much you guys enjoyed it. I can tell you I was just the same. Ohhh, ahhhh and oooof, after every shot. Sweet video. Awesome work!

  • @captainfabian
    @captainfabian ปีที่แล้ว +174

    And this gentlemen must be one of the best pieces of historical research that has even been done on this planet. It is mindblowing how many things we have discovered and how many more aspects there are to this topic. Thank you all very much for putting this together. I feel honored and lucky to have been able to see the results of this effort!

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Thanks you - that is very kind

    • @Tymczas
      @Tymczas ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tods_workshop Todd buy a beer or two for that superb shooter from us!! does he has any Patronite to support him?

    • @piccalillipit9211
      @piccalillipit9211 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@tods_workshop - this is your legacy - this will be referenced for decades to come

  • @ActuallyEric
    @ActuallyEric ปีที่แล้ว +104

    There is little else more satisfying than listening to experts in their fields analyze and talk about the things they're most passionate about. This project is phenomenal, Tod. Thank you, sincerely for putting this together. This is the kind of stuff that I wish was on The History Channel. It's more informative and entertaining than any documentary I've seen on TV in years.
    Well done to everyone on this team. A++ work

  • @saltydorito7801
    @saltydorito7801 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I find this stuff quite interesting - But you're passion and enthusiasm makes it 1000% better. Another great vid.

  • @HabarudoD
    @HabarudoD ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice to see your high-quality videos get the adecuate attention I feel they deserve. Stellar work! Of course, around 25 shots were fired, so I think results may vary depending on changing amount of volume, bows and archers. I don't argue the results of this test though. A just think that different results would occur with a higher amount of shots

  • @simonw6418
    @simonw6418 ปีที่แล้ว +430

    Better than a History channel production. Absolutely fascinating and thanks to Tod's workshop.

    • @wuguxiandi9413
      @wuguxiandi9413 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      History channel: Knights were actually aliens and the arrows were made of moon rocks.

    • @dougerrohmer
      @dougerrohmer ปีที่แล้ว +23

      @@wuguxiandi9413 Bodkins have a pyramid shape which extends the lifespan of the archer.

    • @Andrewf5251
      @Andrewf5251 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      i remember times when history channel was actually about history and discovery channel was actually educating .

    • @BrokVoekler
      @BrokVoekler ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Being better than the history channel is not difficult.

  • @randalthor741
    @randalthor741 ปีที่แล้ว +40

    Oh man, I've been looking forward to this for so long (I backed the Kickstarter the day it was announced), and it does *not* disappoint! The attention to detail in making sure that everything was as historically accurate as possible, and testing different materials to show what the differences are between how they perform is exactly what I wanted. Especially that hounskull bascinet: I've always wanted to see a hounskull bascinet getting hit by arrows in different places and from different angles!
    I love that this video busts the myth that armour of the day was useless against war bows, while also busting the myth that armour of the day was a hard counter to war bows.

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thanks and glad you enjoyed it and yes there is lots of surprise here, but also lots that is of little surprise

  • @Dwumper
    @Dwumper 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Thanks for making this and sharing all this with us. This must have taken an amazing amount of work to create, so it feels like a real privilege to watch it.

  • @chivalricmedia
    @chivalricmedia 24 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Absolutely incredible film with the absolute best in their field! Thank you for pulling this together....and I have to say, HUGE props to the sound techs on this - amazing clarity, especially with that wind!

  • @sagebauer1077
    @sagebauer1077 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    This video should be played in museums alongside the armor! An educational video for the ages.

  • @approximately27goats
    @approximately27goats ปีที่แล้ว +260

    The amount of craftsmanship and expertise between all these guys, and a pure honest curiosity to discover is really awe inspiring. Thanks to all of you!

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +32

      Our pleasure!

    • @professorgmac3873
      @professorgmac3873 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Exactly what I was thinking! Making history fun!

    • @raudi42
      @raudi42 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      That´s what I thought. You literaly can see them glowing! Especially Tod! I love those guys.

  • @alexsearcy1717
    @alexsearcy1717 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love your videos! It is a refreshing break from all the other drama on TH-cam. I need more of these!

  • @EddietheBastard
    @EddietheBastard ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've read so much of the period, and, as an english fantasist imagined more. This is a beautifully made video. The passion, dedication, thought, understanding and knowledge of your group shines through. I've learned a lot and had a lot of my (admittedly amateur) research and understanding confirmed. Also love how this goes into the areas raised in your discussions and the comments after AvsA 1.
    Next step steeled tips - I'd be curious to know whether these arrowheads were waxed - my semi-educated guess would be a minor but well worth having bonus vs all protection for steeling and vs chain and cloth layers for waxing.
    Scholargladiatoria's video suggests that case hardening and steeling were standard for military arrows for much of the period despite the lack of archeological record. My limited understanding of historical metalworking would suggest that this would be a likely step.Toby's "if they coulda-they woulda" is exactly where I'm at on this.
    Bending forwards reduces the effectiveness of the angle of the of the upper breastplate.
    If those final shots are with unhardened heads, steeled and waxed turns those aventail and the visor penetrations into potentially lethal. As you guys all say the armour and weapon are both doing their jobs and evolving - quite fascinating - bravo.

  • @boston7704
    @boston7704 ปีที่แล้ว +161

    What's remarkable is how carefully designed the armor was in that age. They knew "exactly" what they were doing.
    Very impressive.

    • @mrbouncelol
      @mrbouncelol ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's easy to think of people "back in the day" as being stupid, because lower technology carries the connotation, but it's likely that the well-fed and more intellectually inclined humans of the era were comparable to modern humans even if, on average, intelligence was lower (as implied by findings like the Flynn effect in the 20th century).

    • @TerriblyNice_Not
      @TerriblyNice_Not ปีที่แล้ว +15

      But in "that age", they would obviously be at the peak of knowledge of how to design that armour. So of course they knew what they were doing.

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +23

      HI Boston,
      I agree, it worked beautifully, but of course they had good motivators

    • @LordOceanus
      @LordOceanus ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@mrbouncelol A skilled hunter today can hit a squirrel at 100m with a rifle easily. A skilled hunter in the middle ages could hit a squirrel at 50m with an arrow albeit less easily. Technology has doubled the range but the skill of a human being with a projectile weapon does not change. People have always been masters of their craft and it is the craft that has evolved not the human factor. Were people in past ages stupid? No more so than we are today. They were just much less informed about how the world works on a physical level and as a result could not achieve what we can today.

    • @charlesanastasia7574
      @charlesanastasia7574 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@LordOceanus well said I was recently engaged in a debate with others on the pyramids and all the other ancient wonders. They were certain it was a long lost ancient super advanced civilization or aliens crossed the vastness of space to come here and make stone monuments. I don't get why people find it so hard to believe ancient humans were just master stone masons even though the earth is covered in evidence of it I mean we have so many achievements how is building the pyramid unbelievable.

  • @tymoteuszdziedzic3370
    @tymoteuszdziedzic3370 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    Tod and the whole crew - you are amazing. I am truly grateful that i've found this chanel and that I am able to watch this. It is amazing that this group of passionate, analytical people could meet and do this, and then show it to the world. Thank you all, hats off!

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +21

      Thank you, it was a pleasure and this whole thing gave us an excuse to hang out

  • @Yung_Fettuccine
    @Yung_Fettuccine วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    A shield would be extremely useful to cover the weak points of the armor. Cover yourself with a shield in one hand and a sword in the other and rush down the archers. But a large number of archers shooting arrows at you would also be terrifying. Either way I wouldn’t want to fight on a medieval battlefield

  • @Dean-ds1yd
    @Dean-ds1yd ปีที่แล้ว

    Great points! Well covered!
    Thanks for the work put forth in this experiment.

  • @melman
    @melman ปีที่แล้ว +39

    This is better than many TV documentaries, the attention to detail and enthusiasm are astounding. Please keep doing what you're doing.

  • @magnusandersen8898
    @magnusandersen8898 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    That is some mighty fine craftsmanship by Augusto.
    I didn't expect the armour to hold up so well, considering how powerful Joe and his bow are.

  • @bouncingboredom
    @bouncingboredom ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gutted I found this so late. Great work by everyone involved. Two things of particular interest stand out: First, that mathematically it was only taking 4-5 arrows on average in the early general tests to find a weak spot. The great strength of the longbow was its rate of fire, and here we can see that demonstrated to full effect, likely thinning the French ranks just a little bit with each volley. Second was the hit on the spaulders that knocked them loose. We can imagine over the course of a campaign lasting months that bits of armour would break off or get damaged in other ways during skirmishes and even sparring, as seen in that arrow hit. This increases the probability of men having to go into battle with pieces of armour missing or clinging on via running repairs, further enhancing their vulnerability to volume arrow fire. Super interesting.
    Again, great work.

  • @northwall9243
    @northwall9243 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fascinating video, really enjoyed the chat between the armourer and fletcher. Would be cool to see a series of them competing/comparing different methods to outmatch the other!

  • @valdoalmeida6866
    @valdoalmeida6866 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    For all the History junkies like myself, and for the sake of empiric data in regards to this subject, what this channel is doing, is pure altruistic work. Thank you all so much for this.

  • @ericmitchell985
    @ericmitchell985 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Legitimately some of the highest quality content I've ever seen, here or on any platform. All of the experts are equal parts knowledgeable and passionate, and their love for what they're doing is infectious, the setup is absolutely brilliant, and the execution phenomenal.
    And perhaps the biggest shoutout to Joe's shooting - watching him loose those arrows is a perfect reminder of how physical a task that is.

  • @dougmartin2007
    @dougmartin2007 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is great! My thoughts are "how many archers do you need to take down the knight?" I think I would want about five. The number of shots just bouncing off armor, as well as seeing how difficult it is to just draw a 160 pound bow, make me want to have a lot of arrows going at the moving target of a knight.

  • @2racingUK
    @2racingUK ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing work.
    The arrows splintering around the eye sockets would have been terrifying.

  • @Lemonjellow
    @Lemonjellow ปีที่แล้ว +91

    The amount of skill, research, training, and just plain hard work it took to produce this series is just absolutely mind boggling. Thank you to all of you whom did so much to make it possible!

  • @leckmich5245
    @leckmich5245 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    The sheer amount of love and care that is put into this channel to make quality content is just astounding. Its weird how a guy whose content is mostly about deadly weapons can be this wholesome.

  • @jeremyslater7369
    @jeremyslater7369 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Really phenomenal production you all have put together. Truly amazing work, so much so that you can feel the hard work and the love that was put into all of it. Thank you for this

  • @RegensDominor
    @RegensDominor 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is an awesome experiment. However, the inherent flaw with the experiment is there is only one archer firing at a small target. In medieval warfare it was thousands of archers firing at massive blocks of men. The bows would have been more powerful than this. The sheer volume of arrows will have hit exposed parts of soldiers.

  • @Digu213
    @Digu213 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    What is interesting as well, is the fact that hundreds and thousands of armored knights and men at arms would also protect each other by simply existing in a formation. Simultaneously there would be missed arrows hitting buddies in behind and so much debris, shattered arrows, shafts etc. This extraordinary video just shows how proper physical tests can bring about more hypotheses.
    Amazingly done, kept smiling through all 44 minutes and thank you all!

  • @jonathanchambers4657
    @jonathanchambers4657 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    As a lifelong historical nerd, I am so thankful to be able to see these things researched and shared in my lifetime. It's honestly just cool! Thank you!

  • @orkunyucel3095
    @orkunyucel3095 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    For this reason, units such as Swiss Pikemen, resistant to archers, did not emerge before the armor technology was well developed
    Chain mail armors and scale armors were weak against arrows if used alone. For this reason, chain mail armors and scale armors were used in combination with shields. However, keeping shields up for hours was tiring, and some open body parts were less protected against arrows. Armies using these armors were particularly vulnerable to arrow attacks from the flanks and rear.
    Also, the use of two-handed weapons made it almost impossible to hold a shield. With these weak armors, you wouldn't want to use a two-handed weapon when you're under a shower of arrows.
    Despite better protection, manipulating a one-handed spear was more difficult than two-handed one. For this reason, such weakly armored infantry preferred the strategy of laying down their shields and raising their longer near them shortly before the enemy cavalry engaged their charge. Another method was piles driven into the ground. However, this second method resulted in fewer maneuvering options. Moreover, dropping shields was a particularly bad solution against mounted archers.
    The phalanx is almost the only example where very long spears are used with a shield. Soldiers in the phalanx order used the shield by putting their forearms in a cuff. So they could use the long sarissas partially with two hands. However, they used sarissas one-handed in the first line for better protection with shields, especially when there was a threat of enemy archers. Moreover, the maneuverability of the extremely long sarissas was limited due to the shield. This issue was fixed by having 3 line soldiers point their sarissas at the enemy. Thus, the enemy that the first line missed could be speared by the other line. When this organization was disrupted due to terrain conditions or lack of discipline, especially Roman Legionnaires could easily push sarissas aside or up and enter close combat with their large shields, and armies in the phalanx order were losing the war.
    Since effective armor technology against arrows was not developed in the early period, many armies could not stand against armies consisting mostly of heavy and light horse archers, such as the Huns, Turks and Mongols.
    Lamellar armors and Laminar armors, which were more common especially in the east, were slightly more resistant to arrows. But it was still far from being a good solution.
    In the 1300s, after the Mongol invasion, armors containing plate pieces similar to lamellar armor began to come to the fore. This increased the protection of soldiers against enemy archers. During this period, especially mail and plate armors and brigandine armors became popular. Especially mirror armor was found in Eastern Europe, the Middle East and Central Asia. These armors had some arrow-resistant parts. But also, battleaxes, maces, war hammers and polaxes could be effective against these armors. The expensiveness of full plate armor limited its use outside of elite soldiers.
    Ironically, in the 1400s, when armor technology was well developed, the Ottoman army began to use firearms widely, and they gained the upper hand against the heavily armored armies in Europe. After the Ottoman Empire, the use of muskets became widespread in other armies. The use of armor parts other than the arrow-resistant plate body armor gradually decreased.

  • @F____T
    @F____T หลายเดือนก่อน

    Le tireur à l'arc est excellent! Super vidéo! Merci!

  • @badwolf7367
    @badwolf7367 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    I really like Augusto's armor. I am especially impressed by the helmet and visor. Before this test, I erroneously thought the vent holes were a point of weakness, but they held up to every hit on them. I only wish I had the money to buy an armor like this one from Augusto.

    • @voster77hh
      @voster77hh ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Do you want your armor to do enough for blunted weapons HEMA brawls on 1.5 mm steel or do you want something to be shot at with steel hardened bodkin tips on point blank range by a pro archers with a 34+ pounds pro medival English longbow?

    • @5peciesunkn0wn
      @5peciesunkn0wn ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@voster77hh Obviously the latter because it's cooler to talk about and will definitely hold up to the former. :P

    • @Lobster_Lars
      @Lobster_Lars ปีที่แล้ว

      Augustos armor looks much nicer, this testing armor is pretty rough around the edges

    • @Zombxst
      @Zombxst ปีที่แล้ว

      I would also love armor like this.

    • @JosefGustovc
      @JosefGustovc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Lobster_Lars That's actually the usual finish I put on the pieces I make =). Filing and some hammer marks are part of the medieval aesthetic.

  • @IHateThisHandleSystem
    @IHateThisHandleSystem ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You assembled a real "A Team" for this video.

  • @ArturNagy
    @ArturNagy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is a spectacular series, with everyone being a true master of his craft. Well done!

  • @KiKiweaky
    @KiKiweaky 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic video thanks for all of the hard work and for posting it.

  • @jakeawe1966
    @jakeawe1966 ปีที่แล้ว +51

    Well done as always, you can feel that extra level of polish in this one. You all have good on screen chemistry and i would totally watch a Netflix series on this. Great work.

    • @tods_workshop
      @tods_workshop  ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thanks

    • @rudolphaswad8723
      @rudolphaswad8723 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      honestly
      I hope Netflix and similar productions don't get a hold of this
      I don't trust them to allow Tod and his team the freedom to explore the necessary topics without shoehorning irrelevant points whatever they may at that time. or trying to make it "will this fantasy historical armor stop an arrow"
      that might sound selfish of me but i don't want to see a good thing ruined
      plus the way i see it is that they would be lowering themselves quality-wise if they were to go under Netflix or any similar service.

    • @fuferito
      @fuferito ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@rudolphaswad8723,
      Totally agree.
      They'll insert insufferable music and hire third rate actors to dramatize scenes.

    • @Kanner111
      @Kanner111 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No, this has facts and research and testing. Netflix wants Ancient Aliens style archeology BS. =P

  • @Rokaize
    @Rokaize ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This series is probably one of the best historical projects on TH-cam.

  • @Element4ry
    @Element4ry 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Such amazing film! So much actual insight on how it all works! Thank you guys for delivering it all!

  • @paulwetta7077
    @paulwetta7077 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Videos like these keep fueling my desire for history! Keep it up!

  • @andvil01
    @andvil01 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    The mud must been a decisive factor. On flat dry ground they might move so fast, you can't aim for the gaps. But if your horse is shot under you, you land in the mud, turning weak sides to the archer. And then try to walk towards the enemy in the mud with heavy amor, makes you slow and easier to hit. That was surely the day, when the archers should lose, but didn't because of that factor, the mud.
    Great job guys. What an efford you put down to this experiment. Experimental history and achaeology at its finest.

    • @garywheeley5108
      @garywheeley5108 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Couple of dozen wounded horses running about with men on the ground mud someone's got to get trampled plunging arrows face down in the mud visor full of mud get up open visor .....

    • @beohel
      @beohel ปีที่แล้ว

      Though with that much mud (supposedly), will it affect the aiming for the archers due to the gaps being covered by mud and no longer obvious?

    • @garywheeley5108
      @garywheeley5108 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@beohel maybe they had spotters like indirect fire from a machine gun beaten zone ?

    • @beohel
      @beohel ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@garywheeley5108 I don't think so... I think it would be more likely that the mud slowed the knights down so much that the archers simply put as much arrows as they could into them with the expectations of wounding/killing the knights with the 1 in 4 shots rather than taking the time to aim. Where the knights are not killed or maimed, they would have been so winded/bruised/exhausted that they would not have offered much resistance when the melee began.

    • @christopherreed4723
      @christopherreed4723 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I was going to say the same thing. At Agincourt the initial expectation the French had, iirc, was for a cavalry attack across open ground. They apparently spent a good deal of the night before making sure their squires exercised the warhorses, walking them up and down the line, because they were concerned that in the cold, wet conditions it would take too long to warm them up when the attack started after first light. But in the event, the majority of the French men-at-arms went in on foot. I've read accounts that state that the plowed fields in front of the French position were seen to be soaked with rain and stirred up into a thick mire where the horses had been walked. Maybe that was the deciding factor. Or maybe not enough French men-at-arms had sufficient barding for their horses to be confident of making it across the intervening ground.
      I once, many years ago, attempted to walk across a recently-plowed field that had been wetted down by a light rain. Probably a good thing the farmer wasn't there to see me try it, because I left a track that a blind man couldn't miss across his neat furrows. I also ended up exhausted and very nearly minus my boots, good lace-up hikers that despite being laced tight were very nearly sucked off my feet by the mud.
      The plowed fields at Agincourt across which the French advanced were not merely wettted down by a light rain. It had rained, off and on, all night. Possibly for a day or two before. That's going to have slowed the advance down a lot. It also created an additional hazard, that of being knocked off your feet into the mud. While the Hollywood trope of the armored knight being too clumsy to get up without help is utter nonsense, if you got knocked down in thick, ankle- or calf-deep mud while wearing the armor shown you were going to be hard-pressed to get up again. Maybe a comrade pauses and gives you a hand, maybe your squire runs forward and pulls you up...or maybe you're stuck there until the English find you.
      Watching this demonstration, though, I'm convinced that, had those fields been not been rain-soaked, Agincourt might well have been a very different story. With no mud to fight through the French men-at-arms would have been able to cover the beaten ground more quickly, and been in better shape to fight once they did. They *had* the armor to do it...maybe not perfect, but orders of magnitude better than what they'd been wearing at Crecy two generations earlier. Write this down, boys and girls: Weather ain't neutral.

  • @benbattiste1041
    @benbattiste1041 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    That was so amazing to see! I did my Master's thesis on the longbow, the hundred years war, and a survey of contemporary art depicting armor from the period. I had turned in my final copy to my advisor when the first Arrows vs. Armour came out and I added a small forward that called it out as a great project that started to test what was only theoretical and how it was an important piece, but only a piece of the answer. Now to see this, I feel like everything I said has been vindicated and I can't wait to see your supplementary videos. Great job to all those involved.

  • @osmanunlu8201
    @osmanunlu8201 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Would be great to see more stuff of yours, maybe like more Joes for example 5-10 archers and experiment volley shots towards maybe 5 men with shields of various choises.

  • @ferris_furnishings
    @ferris_furnishings ปีที่แล้ว +1

    dang! this was fascinating. good work guys! I can easily imagine parts of an old, actual battle. fascinating

  • @gl32
    @gl32 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I was wondering, looking at the video, if the French fear of getting hit in the eyes were not less caused by actually getting hit by direct arrows, but more because of the splinters of hundreds of arrows breaking around them. Just a thought from a total newbie.
    Amazing video.

    • @HistoricalWeapons
      @HistoricalWeapons ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I think they more worried about their groain and legs which are basically unarmoured and just asking to get hit. A knight without functional legs is a useless knight in a melee

    • @Deadknight67
      @Deadknight67 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HistoricalWeapons That's not entirely true for the legs, legs also had plates which wasn't present in today's armours. Also Knights were used in cavalry charge were their legs aren't so exposed in general. Agincourt is one battle they were forced to dismount. It's not how most battle were fought for the cavalry.

    • @vojtechrykr6592
      @vojtechrykr6592 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HistoricalWeapons I am thinking about saddle, wasnt it the protection for groain? and how big target are legs, where should be plates as well, because it was the first part where they apear.

    • @Crimsonfangg
      @Crimsonfangg ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Even people today have fears that aren't founded in reality. Im not sure why we're assuming they'd be any different.

    • @TheIronMenace
      @TheIronMenace ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Deadknight67 They discussed that in the beginning of the video that at this period in time the french knights were not armoring up their groin or legs with plate yet.

  • @ZacharyEvans
    @ZacharyEvans ปีที่แล้ว +25

    This was brilliant. Everything a historical documentary should be!
    My only feedback would be I would have loved to see Augusto and Will's faces as all of their hard work just got slammed into each other!
    Great work everyone! Awesome content.

    • @mchernett
      @mchernett ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Thanks Zac. I've got the footage so maybe I'll make a "sad face compilation" overlaid with the sound of breaking arrows and smashing metal 😆

    • @ZacharyEvans
      @ZacharyEvans ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@mchernett Make sure all the footage is in greyscale...

    • @VictorGarcia-lb9pk
      @VictorGarcia-lb9pk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      im sure there's got to be a lot of conflicting emotions there haha

  • @adlockhungry304
    @adlockhungry304 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What an incredible undertaking! This is such invaluable work for history buffs, science nerds, and aspiring storytellers who want to have as realistic an understanding of medieval combat as possible, which breathes life into their fiction.

  • @davidaustin4789
    @davidaustin4789 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video. I wondered about the concussive force generated by the head shots? You only have to look at sports like cricket and baseball to observe the effect of batsman being hit in the head and neck area. The balls in these sports (although admittedly heavier) would be travelling significantly slower than an arrow and a force comparison would be interesting. The other element, would be how the knights horses would have reacted to being peppered by arrows? It is easy to imagine the Knight being thrown from a panicked horse leaving the fallen knight winded and/or concussed and vulnerable to ground attack from the more mobile archers.

  • @pooperdrop
    @pooperdrop ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This is a spectacular piece of content! The psychological impact of being pelted by arrows, hoping that your armor continues to hold as you're helpless beyond continuing to walk towards the archers cannot be overstated

  • @misturfixit45
    @misturfixit45 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    I was left with so many questions about Agincourt after your first video, and I've heard people going so far as to say the archers were just scaring the knights and not actually killing any. I'm glad to see you diving into it more deeply, thank you!

    • @vitoravila9908
      @vitoravila9908 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      They were, most likely, scaring most, hurting/injuring some and killing a handful

    • @oivinf
      @oivinf ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Even though the battle of, ahem, Azincourt was won by the English, it might just have been, well, a bit hyped up. The underdog of the battle won and it was the most important English victory in a war they ultimately lost crushingly... Though that's only part of the story, and Todd's experiments is also an important part in figuring out what actually might've happened on that day

    • @dark3031
      @dark3031 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They were shooting from both sides of the charging knights, so I imagine they might be able to rain enough arrows onto the horses to kill them. Then deal with the slow and clunky knights later. Killing a horse really isn't very easy, a human might be killed with one arrow, but horses might only be able to take 10 arrows and still running.

    • @_aullik
      @_aullik ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dark3031 Those horses wont be running for long, but most of them long enough to conclude the charge.

    • @samualaddams705
      @samualaddams705 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are not wrong. However I have seen in real life a experanced jousting horse get a minor wound on the top of his rump and lose it. Dumpped her rider like a bad habit and charge into a crowd. Temperment training and pain tolorance would have a lot to do with it.

  • @philpfau8549
    @philpfau8549 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutly great!
    Thank you all for giving this to us!

  • @Hagogarcesortiz77799
    @Hagogarcesortiz77799 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
    00:12 Tod's *Workshop is conducting "Arrows versus Armour 2," testing medieval armor with arrows. The armor, meticulously crafted by Augusto, includes pieces based on historical references like the Wallace Collection A69 helmet and Churburg Castle originals.*
    03:22 The *armor, made of mild steel, replicates 14th-15th century French designs. Thickness variations are strategically employed to balance protection and weight, with the breastplate, arms, and visor ranging in thickness.*
    06:29 Tod *emphasizes the importance of using mild steel in the armor to represent the common material of the time. The aim is to test the armor's effectiveness against arrows and gain insights into the real-world challenges faced by knights.*
    08:18 The *archer, Joe Gibbs, uses a 160-pound self-yew bow, replicating historical bows from the Mary Rose. The arrows, with iron heads, are based on period-appropriate designs, aiming to simulate authentic conditions.*
    10:53 The *initial test shows the armor effectively protecting against arrow strikes, with only minor dents and no penetration on the breastplate. The armor's design, including the aventail, proves successful in preventing serious injury.*
    19:49 Further *tests reveal vulnerabilities, especially in the lower torso covered by mail. Arrows cause significant damage in these areas, highlighting the limitations of medieval mail armor against powerful arrows.*
    21:36 Simulating *flanking shots, the armor's sides are exposed, revealing potential weaknesses. The tests demonstrate the strategic balance in medieval armor design, with reinforced frontal protection but vulnerability on the sides.*
    23:22 Armor *is effective; wrist hit but still functional. Arrows hitting articulation, penetrating bone.*
    24:26 Armor *dynamic: plates stop arrows, mail turns some, but not all shots. French attacking English center.*
    25:39 Archers *targeting knight's exposed areas. Armor absorbs impact, limiting damage.*
    26:25 Decibel *reading of arrow impact surprisingly not loud. Back exposed, kidneys hit, armor's varying effectiveness.*
    28:02 Armor's *effectiveness observed. Questions about potential differences with case-hardened armor.*
    29:26 Reviewing *footage: armor successes and failures. Results suggest a balanced outcome between arrowsmith and armorer.*
    30:52 Varied *arrow hits: bouncing off, penetrating, and glancing. Aventail pierced; discussion on armor's impact.*
    31:44 Testing *case-hardened arrowheads. Assessing if case hardening improves arrow penetration.*
    34:53 Case-hardened *arrows show improved penetration. Discussion on medieval understanding of arrow effectiveness.*
    37:10 Testing *arrows on neck and face. Aventail pierced; potential risks to delicate areas discussed.*
    39:13 Arrows *penetrate helmet; one through the eye socket. Evaluation of armor effectiveness and potential vulnerabilities.*
    42:01 Summary: *Wrought iron performs well. Plate armor effective at weak points. Case-hardening's impact inconclusive, calls for evidence. Acknowledgments and future supplementary films mentioned.*
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