Middle age working class American woman in the Netherlands (questioning religion but see all of them as a road to some universal truth but grew up in Catholic nonsense) also loving watching these two very smart men discussing issues. While looking around a market in Tanzania I realized that if shit went down there is no blending in with the locals. No way to tell everyone that I really am a "good person" and not a part of all the ugliness my skincolor may imply. People are people. There is nothing that divides us. Human race. Period.
@@godnah lol! We all have multiple identities - was just stating why some of the conversation particularly chimed with me. But wasn't making a political statement 😉
I could listen to these 2 have a conversation forever! Love Mehdi and Nish . I am a Black Amerocan woman from Boston, MA and I love hearing cultural context in these conversations. The best thing that ever happened to us is Mehdi NOT being on MSNBC 🎉
@redman6790 It is 100% South African - Nandos has it origins in Johannesburg, South Africa, in an area called Rosetenville. The first Nandos restaurant opened in 1987 in Johannesburg (Rosetenville)
This is a great show; I have so much respect for both of these great men. I'm Black (Caribbean & West African); grew up in a beautifully multicultural community; with many Hindu & Sikh, Indian, and Pakistani Muslim friends. Post-9/11 heightened tensions... I observed some Indians distance themselves from Muslims; for assimilation and ingratiation into White society, which is depressing to see. Thankfully, my close friends never succumbed to "divide & rule" tactics. My first day of secondary school (before 9/11), was marred by a White kid trying to compliment me, by saying he "likes Blacks, like me; not like those _P-words..._ " my reaction was to box him up! I've also experienced racism, & colourism, from South Asian people. However; I'm glad unity has been the prevalent attitude and feeling, and generalisation will never mislead me. Unity amongst the diasporas of groups of people of colour is important, but we also need unity with people of colour and the White working class; before divisive bad actors mislead the narrative, obscuring that there is more that unites us than divides.
That mini riot was not British Muslims or British Hindus. It was Hinduvta hate preacher's xominy as students and trying to create turmoil which got shut down pretty quicky by the diverse British population with rich ethnicity across the globe. @@malehumanperson7901
Mehdi has taken good decision to adopt as a journalist because mashallah, he is always standing up with the side of oppressed, less opportunities people as a journalist like he has as well as is standing for the people of Palestine against Zionist netanyahu, he is true journalist & his channel-"ZETEO" will do great job, Best of Luck to Mehdi Hassan & his channel.
Oof. Mehdi owned on the Desi front by extra spicy Nish and his Keralan heritage. I, a white Irishman, have eaten in South Indian restaurants in the UK. I was seeing visions of the future like Paul Atreides on that good spice.
Agree Nish is a great political commentator as well as satirist - but I wouldn’t wish UK government duties on him! Perhaps he could be an advisor or some kind of special envoy or tsar? ❤
Thank you Mehdi and Nish for a fantastic conversation touching on and coming together on so many important issues in such a beautiful way as an educated Muslim and Hindu who have the same values and principles despite so many ignorant extemists who have been trying so hard to spread misinformation and hatred. May the almighty bless you both 🤲🏼💐💕🕊️🇦🇫💕🇵🇸💕🇱🇧🕊️
Just saw Nish’s stand up last week……he was brill at making awkward ‘complex’ politics digestible ❤️ and let’s just say there were a few stunned people! Just listening to them and the desi reference’s really does remind us of the commonalities between all the various shades of brown 🤣
You’re right Nish. What happened in the summer of 2024 was the worst it ever felt. This is coming from a 63 year old white woman, whose son is a nurse who works in Sunderland. He was horrified by how many of his colleagues talked about “brown people”: he said one of them called and elderly man, wearing a turban and sitting in a hospital bed “osama”. Many people were shouting at colleagues coming in to work to go home you P***. These were doctors and nurses.
I find it so strange when people who had left-wing roots end up turning right-wing. Like, I keep on seeing these people saying 'maybe Conservatives have a point when it comes to race' yet I've never seen what that point is? What are they hiding that justifies racism? Because I've yet to see a single argument that justifies a single element of racist ideology, yet loads of people are still 'leaving the left' because 'the Right has a point'.
18:28 my best friend in high school was a dark-skinned Philippino who's mother spoke fractured English. He told me once that right after 9/11, he was at the 7-11 by his house when some guys in a pick-up truck yelled "are you Muslim?" at him, and when he replied in the negative, they retorted "you better not be." He was absolutely shaken by what might have happened to his mom if they'd confronted her instead.
Also, thank you, Nish, for calling Mango Mussolini what he is and begging us to hold him accountable. I wish we would. We can't move on. We are not going back, but we can't move in, either. (I've loved you since Taskmaster, btw. This just makes me feel more validated in that affection lol.)
Wow amaze by Nish’s knowledge, perspective and ability to articulate himself so well! Obviously, Mehndi is brilliant as always! Great conversation and so many amazing points!
We should hear these conversations more. The human side of living with racism. We have had lot about the people who were jailed for rioting but not what it feels like to be unsafe in own country and in own house,
I left India in 1983. I lost India when the modi zombies took over. I still live in hope that real India lives underneath the modi rabies. That my secular, open minded and hospitable India will one day soon reawaken and I can visit my home.
The secularism is what ruined India. Glad India is rid of you people who allow appeasement, weakness and failure. You can look next door to Pakistan and see how India shed its weakness.
Its incredible how politics can ruin even educated people's ability to see and then make an opinion. Thats a TERRIBLE take on india, extremely condescending as well. The country elects its leaders, learn to respect the mandate first of all. Just because your vision is not reflected in the current government, it doesnt mean the country has fallen away. Thats a case of narcissism.
August was freaking scary and I was here for 2011 riots. Never experienced anything like it. Then after a few arrests and an anti racist march, silence. But the mask has been pulled back for those of us who faced that hate.
Love both of you, I consume old episodes of Pod Save the Uk when the news here in the US gets to be too much. I spent my career at British Airways based at various airports in the US and was stationed at LAX on 9/11. In the days afterward etched firmly in my mind were 3 Sikh men who came to change their tickets because they were afraid, it just about broke me.
Following Mehdi and Nish from Germany as a brown female doctor since 2020 since Nish s late night show with Rachel liked this dialouge very much, liked it to be longer.
i went from wanting Nando's to searching for places to move to. What a journey to go on with you both. Amazing work, keep it up. (lots of love and admiration for you both)
I cannot describe the despair I have that these conversations and/or narrative are banished from our government and media. I am a white young man, I see the hate from my peers and more commonly simple complicity/apology for the continued attacks on minorities. Keep up the good work and conversation
It's heartbreaking to know that The Daily Mail is every bit as reprehensible as The New York Post 😢 But, then, I suppose that America and Britain are constantly reenacting that old American drug PSA of, "I learned it from you!!" as both of you stated. I hope both of our countries can find a way out of this place where racists feel so comfortable to be racist.
the common factor of rightwing media in the u.s. and u.k. is rupert murdoch! admittedly he does not own the daily mail but he does own the s*n and the times!
The Daily Mail wrote a couple of glowing op-eds supporting The British Union of Fascists and Adolf Hitler in the '30s. They are owned by Lord Rothermere. A tax evading aristocrat.
I agree with your Mom, I thought you would make an excellent lawyer. I have been following you for some time. However, you're doing very well as a Journalist. I suppose there are some similarities in both professions, the "Truth".
45:16 What has this races politics delivered to us? My friend said “his parents and their friends will gladly live in poverty, being utterly exploited as long as Black people have it worse. How do you fight such reckless hatred?” Their politics / religion allowed them to live with cognitive dissidents they can sit on top without any internal examination of what it took to get there to reach such Heights.
All in this together 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. OH PLEASE there is no unity between blacks and Indians in the uk, Indians think they are better than black people… somehow!! Indians like rishi Sunak, braverman, Patel see themselves as white. And any black men with a mixed race child, sees themselves as transcending blackness… somehow. There are some truly confused people in the UK who are unclear about how they are truly seen behind closed doors. Your example of Rishi Sunaks surprise at hearing what he was called by many white people, was perfect. As a black female loved this convo, and hope British brown and black people wake up to the truth , always like mehdi’s discussions… thanks for this guys
Slightly irritating to me that Black Caribbean’s fought the skin head nazi/ national front battles of the 1960’s, 70’s and early eighties but we don’t get a mention. Do you remember the skinhead presence in Brick Lane? Or ilford? Or Wembley? For every black (or even white) face in those rallies, riots and street battles there were few Hindu/Indian Muslims in attendance and yet we fought tooth and nail for British blacks, British Indians and Pakistanis to walk the streets unmolested. In tower hamlets we still fight the fight. These two guys are younger than me… but do not acknowledge the sacrifices we made for unity and progress.
Slightly irritating to me that black Caribbean’s fought the skin head nazi/ national front battles of the 1960’s, 70’s and early eighties but we don’t get a mention. Do you remember the skinhead presence in Brick Lane? Or ilford? Or Wembley? For every black (or even white) face in those rallies, riots and street battles there were few Hindu/indisn Muslims in attendance and yet we fought tooth and nail for British blacks, British Indians and Pakistanis to walk the streets unmolested. In tower hamlets we still fight the fight. These two guys are younger than me… but do not acknowledge the sacrifices we made for unity and progress.
AS AN INDIAN, We dont think us as superior to anyone or we will never let others to think us as inferiors, WE JUST WANNA BE JUDGED BY THE CONTENT OF OUR CHARACTERS AND WE DONT WANNA GET INTO PERPETUAL VICTIMHOOD, YES, SUNAK EXPERIENCED RACISM AND DID SUNAK TELL YOU THAT HE SEES HIMSELF AS WHITE?, HE HAS BEEN FAIRLY GOOD HINDU TEMPLES AND WITH HIS COMMUNITY. WE DONT WANNA BE ANTI WHITE WE JUST WANNA BE ANTI RACIST OR ANTI IMPERIALIST.
Incredible show. The talk about Islamophobia reminded me of how initially, as a person of color living in a fairly racist area, I had a lot of second thoughts about showing solidarity with Palestine. I didn't want to lose my life just walking down the street
I’m not brown or black, but I despair at the same things you two raise. I don’t want to see violence on the street. I don’t want to see Trump as president of USA because of the danger that brings to the world. I never wanted the UK to leave the EU. I hated the Conservative Governments. I am disappointed with the Labour leader and him not taking a significantly different stance on key issues to the Tories. I despise the right-wing media and their bullshit. It’s not a white, brown, black issue, it’s who wants to live in a civilised society vs those that want to divide and conquer so they can fill their pockets.
LOL that both of you probably haven’t tasted the original South African Nandos, in South Africa 😂😂😂🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦 Come visit Mzansi and taste the real deal, guys!
Sorry, my father cooks the best chicken in the whole world. I told him, Dad if you make chicken here you can be the king of the kings. Domingo's chicken was my name. He told me he is so old for that thing. Oh! God! I will never know
Two top guys. I'm so ashamed of the idiots who terrorist our POC neighbors for the grand crime of being POC. Pass on my regards to the excellent co-host of Pod Save the UK, the incomparable Coco Khan. Coco, Mehdi and Nish: three excellent humans.
It is interesting that neither Mehdi or Nish experienced hostility between Muslims and Hindus in the nineties. In Slough, close to where I grew up, there were lots of clashes between Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims involving gangs armed with swords, knives, axes and baseball bats so I guess it just depends on what part of the UK you grew up in.
It's a fantastic lie that these two blokes want to peddle. Hindus and Muslims have never got off well together. Individuals, maybe. As a community, never.
@@DeWo-m6q Maybe financially. What about intercommunity relations? Were they holding hands and dancing to Kumbalaya? Why did Sirhindi have to get the Afghans to fight the infidels in Panipat?
@@maheshpurandare8980 don’t need utopia mate … just an example of people being able to get on. It’s not rocket science. Be a bit kind, use benefit of the doubt, forgive a bit and don’t have anyone in a position of absolute power over you. Hey presto, most people get on.
Brilliant discussion as we again sadly seem to be rushing headlong into the past. It seems history should be defined as the study of the mistakes we’ve made and are destined to repeat in a nauseating cyclical continuum
My first experience with Nandos was in Australia when wifey and I visited her family a couple years ago. So good. Brought some spices back home. We're headed back to straya this weekend. Cannot wait for some Nandos.
You're a treasure Medhi! I think you'd have to go back to early 20th century to find a journo as solid and consistent as yourself. Thanks you for your hard work, I for one am glad you weren't interested in medicine.
Love this pod! Please PLEASSEE try to bring Aamer Rahman on this show. He'd be an amazing guest and thoughtful comedian, although he's very elusive about doing any shows lol
Mehdi thanks a lot of this episode with Nish. I always loved Nish's comedy but I have now even more respect for him. He is certainly a man with a lot of depth in his thought and his character 👏
I first had Nandos when working in Cape Town SA in 1996. South Africa had a new president called Nelson and I felt honoured to be there. I was from NZ which also now has Nandos.
Lovely and entertaining people, both of you. Thank you for making me smile for the first time, in I don’t know… I’m a white British man who grew up in Africa. I also remember the 80s-90s’ fixation with the P word, the hate behind it when screamed across the street by school kids to anyone who looked remotely brown. I know words are just sounds, and it’s the context and intonation that makes them hate-filled but to this day as a 50-something I can’t ever say it out loud or write it down for my brain instantly replaying the sound of the word in their hateful voices. I have been a vehement anti-racist since I was about 12, I attribute that to my African background but even then when we moved back to the UK I was branded ‘half cast’. Even my very light brush of homegrown perceived ‘difference hate’ has left its scars and affects. I truly admire anyone brown, black anyone who wasn’t white in the 1950s onwards, and now even including whites from across the world who have chosen to come here. They must have known it wouldn’t be easy, but not this bad, surely? Today I thought, I hoped, I assumed we had moved on. There seems to be more -isms now than ever. I don’t think we will ever grow out of it. Maybe it’s in our DNA. It’s why the gang of chimps chase out strangers, invaders, ‘immigrants’ in their group. Fear. Mistrust. Suspicion. They look funny. We can’t change, despite our ability to think through our decisions and our actions. This is the species that has pondered our existence, built spaceships, doubled our life expectancy. And kills its own because they look funny. I am never going understand it.
I’m a brazilian who lives in Madrid, and that is so true when Nish mentions Modi and Bolsonaro and how the diaspora has splitted in progressive and reactionary leaders
He had not a single iota of idea about modi, i have been living in the uk as well as india, Most of my muslim friends support modi because of the incentives that they recieved under modi government for scholorships and what not. Muslims in india are poor compared to others its just a fact and modi had bought many schemes to uplift them but this guy just bashes modi without having an iota of first hand experience in india.
I hwve an Indian friend (India) She invited my Ex now deceased for a dinner she knew I love Spicy food. She made this Peanut and Rice dish I thought yummy took a rather large spoon of it she said you may want to try it before taking a big bite. I thought my head was going fo explode. She also made a lamb dish that was absolutely delectable and she said how we suggest esting it is with Pickel everyone always corrects me. IYKYK BTW I'm an old hWyte man disabled Vet4Peace my 1st protest was for Roe in 72 also same year Vietnam. In 73 for QUEER Liberation as a Trans Woman we've always been on the right side of history.
The statements made in this conversation reminds me of when I worked in London and a colleague asked me “Do they have Nando’s in South Africa?” 👀 Nando’s have done a great job making Brits believe they originated it but we’re glad they enjoy it so much.
Loving this as an Indian, British Muslim. Two super smart, super decent blokes 👌
Mehdi is Muslim but not Nish is not
Middle age working class American woman in the Netherlands (questioning religion but see all of them as a road to some universal truth but grew up in Catholic nonsense) also loving watching these two very smart men discussing issues. While looking around a market in Tanzania I realized that if shit went down there is no blending in with the locals. No way to tell everyone that I really am a "good person" and not a part of all the ugliness my skincolor may imply. People are people. There is nothing that divides us. Human race. Period.
@@daniellepatrioticexpat1022 your right!
Why you gotta bring identity politics into this? Just kidding, I loved this as well.
@@godnah lol! We all have multiple identities - was just stating why some of the conversation particularly chimed with me. But wasn't making a political statement 😉
Mehdi as a brown British man, this has made me so happy, you’re killing it!
No such thing as brown British. British people are white.
He's doing what? careful with your wording, people are nervous enough around brown ppl as it is
He is very popular
@ we’re not in an airport don’t need to be careful here lol
I could listen to these 2 have a conversation forever! Love Mehdi and Nish . I am a Black Amerocan woman from Boston, MA and I love hearing cultural context in these conversations. The best thing that ever happened to us is Mehdi NOT being on MSNBC 🎉
Word!✊🏿✊🏾✊🏽✊🏼✊🏻✊
I was thinking the same thing - great that Mehdi is free to do his stuff! 😊
Nandos put us South Africans on the map 😊😊😊 and the ICJ case against Israel ❤
Erm, Apartheid, Nelson Mandela, Oscar Pistorius, Zola Budd, Hanse Cronje?
@humanpotatoes4958 yes agree 👍 and Dr Chris Barnard
@@humanpotatoes4958Nelson Mandela was a hero, I'm not sure why you put him in that group.
I always thought it was Portuguese lol
@redman6790 It is 100% South African - Nandos has it origins in Johannesburg, South Africa, in an area called Rosetenville. The first Nandos restaurant opened in 1987 in Johannesburg (Rosetenville)
This is a great show; I have so much respect for both of these great men.
I'm Black (Caribbean & West African); grew up in a beautifully multicultural community; with many Hindu & Sikh, Indian, and Pakistani Muslim friends. Post-9/11 heightened tensions...
I observed some Indians distance themselves from Muslims; for assimilation and ingratiation into White society, which is depressing to see. Thankfully, my close friends never succumbed to "divide & rule" tactics.
My first day of secondary school (before 9/11), was marred by a White kid trying to compliment me, by saying he "likes Blacks, like me; not like those _P-words..._ " my reaction was to box him up!
I've also experienced racism, & colourism, from South Asian people. However; I'm glad unity has been the prevalent attitude and feeling, and generalisation will never mislead me.
Unity amongst the diasporas of groups of people of colour is important, but we also need unity with people of colour and the White working class; before divisive bad actors mislead the narrative, obscuring that there is more that unites us than divides.
Interesting that Hindus and Muslims get along really well in the UK and the Caribbean. Great discussion guys and Salaam
Like the race riots in Leicester between Hindus and Muslims?
@@malehumanperson7901 One event in a long history of muslims and hindus getting along
Those ain't Hindus..they are lindus @@malehumanperson7901
That mini riot was not British Muslims or British Hindus. It was Hinduvta hate preacher's xominy as students and trying to create turmoil which got shut down pretty quicky by the diverse British population with rich ethnicity across the globe. @@malehumanperson7901
Mehdi has taken good decision to adopt as a journalist because mashallah, he is always standing up with the side of oppressed, less opportunities people as a journalist like he has as well as is standing for the people of Palestine against Zionist netanyahu, he is true journalist & his channel-"ZETEO" will do great job, Best of Luck to Mehdi Hassan & his channel.
So glad you got Nish! As soon as this series started I was hoping he'd be added to the roster at some point 😊
Mehdi is always a delight to listen to.
Unless when it's about the US elections.
Unless it’s about the truth horrible person and a terrorist supporter
Yes, if you love terror.
💯💯
"The one thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history".
Here in America, they’re trying to get history out of the schools. God knows why?
So true
Im so glad and happy that mehdi decided to become a journalist. We need more pf journalists like Mehdi...
He is the best journalist of our days, seriously!
He's really arrogant
@@clivet3252nah .. he’s just a bloke 😂😂
Oof. Mehdi owned on the Desi front by extra spicy Nish and his Keralan heritage. I, a white Irishman, have eaten in South Indian restaurants in the UK. I was seeing visions of the future like Paul Atreides on that good spice.
Mild is the mind killer.
I keep seeing clearly intelligent and informed comedians speaking clearly and with nuance about politics.
Nish would make a great PM.
Agree Nish is a great political commentator as well as satirist - but I wouldn’t wish UK government duties on him! Perhaps he could be an advisor or some kind of special envoy or tsar? ❤
Nicely said 🙂
Thank you Mehdi and Nish for a fantastic conversation touching on and coming together on so many important issues in such a beautiful way as an educated Muslim and Hindu who have the same values and principles despite so many ignorant extemists who have been trying so hard to spread misinformation and hatred. May the almighty bless you both 🤲🏼💐💕🕊️🇦🇫💕🇵🇸💕🇱🇧🕊️
Just saw Nish’s stand up last week……he was brill at making awkward ‘complex’ politics digestible ❤️ and let’s just say there were a few stunned people!
Just listening to them and the desi reference’s really does remind us of the commonalities between all the various shades of brown 🤣
You’re right Nish. What happened in the summer of 2024 was the worst it ever felt. This is coming from a 63 year old white woman, whose son is a nurse who works in Sunderland. He was horrified by how many of his colleagues talked about “brown people”: he said one of them called and elderly man, wearing a turban and sitting in a hospital bed “osama”.
Many people were shouting at colleagues coming in to work to go home you P***. These were doctors and nurses.
Lol. You’re an awful person. Leaving your grandchildren to face a bleak future so that you can be popular
@@radicalrodriguez5912 what on Earth are you about?
@@juliewake4585 i'm talking about the english being a minority in their own country, you daft woman
@@radicalrodriguez5912odd
@@radicalrodriguez5912😂 the only threat to kids here is you people.
Kier Stammer position on race was clear after his treatment of Diane Abbott
I found it telling that Starmer tried to dissuade the crowds that came out after the Racist Riots, to protest against the racism, from protesting
I find it so strange when people who had left-wing roots end up turning right-wing. Like, I keep on seeing these people saying 'maybe Conservatives have a point when it comes to race' yet I've never seen what that point is? What are they hiding that justifies racism? Because I've yet to see a single argument that justifies a single element of racist ideology, yet loads of people are still 'leaving the left' because 'the Right has a point'.
18:28 my best friend in high school was a dark-skinned Philippino who's mother spoke fractured English. He told me once that right after 9/11, he was at the 7-11 by his house when some guys in a pick-up truck yelled "are you Muslim?" at him, and when he replied in the negative, they retorted "you better not be." He was absolutely shaken by what might have happened to his mom if they'd confronted her instead.
Thank you to both for this conversation.
Also, thank you, Nish, for calling Mango Mussolini what he is and begging us to hold him accountable. I wish we would. We can't move on. We are not going back, but we can't move in, either.
(I've loved you since Taskmaster, btw. This just makes me feel more validated in that affection lol.)
Trump is an idiot but he more anti establishment than Kamala and would tell the mic to take a hike and prevent ww3 long before she would
Wow amaze by Nish’s knowledge, perspective and ability to articulate himself so well! Obviously, Mehndi is brilliant as always! Great conversation and so many amazing points!
I am pretty sure I could listen to the two of you talk about anything for hours. Thank you!
We should hear these conversations more. The human side of living with racism. We have had lot about the people who were jailed for rioting but not what it feels like to be unsafe in own country and in own house,
Mahdi Hassan ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ from Somalia your talking gave a knowledge
This was great! Love the Pod Save the UK crossover
Really great discussion. I learned something. I'm an American fan who is very glad to see Nish doing so well.
Never thought I'd hear Mehdi say the words "cheeky Nandos" in any media!
I left India in 1983. I lost India when the modi zombies took over. I still live in hope that real India lives underneath the modi rabies. That my secular, open minded and hospitable India will one day soon reawaken and I can visit my home.
❤ hum honge kaamyab ek din.
I am alive brother, don't worry 😊
The secularism is what ruined India. Glad India is rid of you people who allow appeasement, weakness and failure. You can look next door to Pakistan and see how India shed its weakness.
India became a better place in 1983.
Its incredible how politics can ruin even educated people's ability to see and then make an opinion. Thats a TERRIBLE take on india, extremely condescending as well. The country elects its leaders, learn to respect the mandate first of all.
Just because your vision is not reflected in the current government, it doesnt mean the country has fallen away. Thats a case of narcissism.
August was freaking scary and I was here for 2011 riots. Never experienced anything like it. Then after a few arrests and an anti racist march, silence. But the mask has been pulled back for those of us who faced that hate.
Love both of you, I consume old episodes of Pod Save the Uk when the news here in the US gets to be too much. I spent my career at British Airways based at various airports in the US and was stationed at LAX on 9/11. In the days afterward etched firmly in my mind were 3 Sikh men who came to change their tickets because they were afraid, it just about broke me.
A Brilliant talk. A must for every one who is concerned over recent events in UK.
great to see Nish here!
Lov you mehdi
May Allah bless you
Excellent! I've missed Mehdi's frank and honest talk on US news outlets.
Following Mehdi and Nish from Germany as a brown female doctor since 2020 since Nish s late night show with Rachel liked this dialouge very much, liked it to be longer.
As an ex Brit, now in NY, I have to say that I miss Nando’s sooooo much.
i went from wanting Nando's to searching for places to move to. What a journey to go on with you both. Amazing work, keep it up. (lots of love and admiration for you both)
I cannot describe the despair I have that these conversations and/or narrative are banished from our government and media. I am a white young man, I see the hate from my peers and more commonly simple complicity/apology for the continued attacks on minorities. Keep up the good work and conversation
Mehdi,
Nando serves only Halal chickens at all outlets in Malaysia!!
Alhamdulillah we're so blessed😊
You are blessed indeed
same here in Pakistan
Same in Turkiye
Nish's parents are from Kerala! I didn't think I could like him more but he proved me wrong!
People should talk about racism around the world.
Medhi, doctor of our minds
Simply a great show !!!
It's heartbreaking to know that The Daily Mail is every bit as reprehensible as The New York Post 😢 But, then, I suppose that America and Britain are constantly reenacting that old American drug PSA of, "I learned it from you!!" as both of you stated. I hope both of our countries can find a way out of this place where racists feel so comfortable to be racist.
They're both Rupert's rags.
I mean so is CBS and the NYTimes/FOX/SKY/MSNBC ...they're all pretty much deranged racists .
the common factor of rightwing media in the u.s. and u.k. is rupert murdoch! admittedly he does not own the daily mail but he does own the s*n and the times!
The Daily Mail wrote a couple of glowing op-eds supporting The British Union of Fascists and Adolf Hitler in the '30s. They are owned by Lord Rothermere. A tax evading aristocrat.
I agree with your Mom, I thought you would make an excellent lawyer.
I have been following you for some time.
However, you're doing very well as a Journalist.
I suppose there are some similarities in both professions, the "Truth".
And will also take up any position if the price is right
@@clivet3252bot bot or kali, destroyer of worlds
45:16 What has this races politics delivered to us? My friend said “his parents and their friends will gladly live in poverty, being utterly exploited as long as Black people have it worse. How do you fight such reckless hatred?” Their politics / religion allowed them to live with cognitive dissidents they can sit on top without any internal examination of what it took to get there to reach such Heights.
All in this together 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. OH PLEASE there is no unity between blacks and Indians in the uk, Indians think they are better than black people… somehow!!
Indians like rishi Sunak, braverman, Patel see themselves as white. And any black men with a mixed race child, sees themselves as transcending blackness… somehow. There are some truly confused people in the UK who are unclear about how they are truly seen behind closed doors. Your example of Rishi Sunaks surprise at hearing what he was called by many white people, was perfect.
As a black female loved this convo, and hope British brown and black people wake up to the truth , always like mehdi’s discussions… thanks for this guys
Slightly irritating to me that Black Caribbean’s fought the skin head nazi/ national front battles of the 1960’s, 70’s and early eighties but we don’t get a mention.
Do you remember the skinhead presence in Brick Lane? Or ilford? Or Wembley? For every black (or even white) face in those rallies, riots and street battles there were few Hindu/Indian Muslims in attendance and yet we fought tooth and nail for British blacks, British Indians and Pakistanis to walk the streets unmolested.
In tower hamlets we still fight the fight.
These two guys are younger than me… but do not acknowledge the sacrifices we made for unity and progress.
Slightly irritating to me that black Caribbean’s fought the skin head nazi/ national front battles of the 1960’s, 70’s and early eighties but we don’t get a mention.
Do you remember the skinhead presence in Brick Lane? Or ilford? Or Wembley? For every black (or even white) face in those rallies, riots and street battles there were few Hindu/indisn Muslims in attendance and yet we fought tooth and nail for British blacks, British Indians and Pakistanis to walk the streets unmolested.
In tower hamlets we still fight the fight.
These two guys are younger than me… but do not acknowledge the sacrifices we made for unity and progress.
AS AN INDIAN, We dont think us as superior to anyone or we will never let others to think us as inferiors, WE JUST WANNA BE JUDGED BY THE CONTENT OF OUR CHARACTERS AND WE DONT WANNA GET INTO PERPETUAL VICTIMHOOD, YES, SUNAK EXPERIENCED RACISM AND DID SUNAK TELL YOU THAT HE SEES HIMSELF AS WHITE?, HE HAS BEEN FAIRLY GOOD HINDU TEMPLES AND WITH HIS COMMUNITY. WE DONT WANNA BE ANTI WHITE WE JUST WANNA BE ANTI RACIST OR ANTI IMPERIALIST.
Incredible show. The talk about Islamophobia reminded me of how initially, as a person of color living in a fairly racist area, I had a lot of second thoughts about showing solidarity with Palestine. I didn't want to lose my life just walking down the street
I’m not brown or black, but I despair at the same things you two raise. I don’t want to see violence on the street. I don’t want to see Trump as president of USA because of the danger that brings to the world. I never wanted the UK to leave the EU. I hated the Conservative Governments. I am disappointed with the Labour leader and him not taking a significantly different stance on key issues to the Tories. I despise the right-wing media and their bullshit. It’s not a white, brown, black issue, it’s who wants to live in a civilised society vs those that want to divide and conquer so they can fill their pockets.
Me too
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LOL that both of you probably haven’t tasted the original South African Nandos, in South Africa 😂😂😂🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Come visit Mzansi and taste the real deal, guys!
preach!!
Sorry, my father cooks the best chicken in the whole world. I told him, Dad if you make chicken here you can be the king of the kings. Domingo's chicken was my name. He told me he is so old for that thing. Oh! God! I will never know
As an Indian guy in Germany, I loved this podcast, so inspiring. Love you mehdi, keep going
Two top guys. I'm so ashamed of the idiots who terrorist our POC neighbors for the grand crime of being POC. Pass on my regards to the excellent co-host of Pod Save the UK, the incomparable Coco Khan. Coco, Mehdi and Nish: three excellent humans.
Nish + Mark Watson = best taskmaster duo of all time
What a great conversation (let’s just ignore the love for Nando’s 😆).
Come on to SA 🎉😅
I think this conversation is great and really needed. Thanks to you both.
Listening to you two is immensely enthralling, awakening and perhaps empowering!
It is interesting that neither Mehdi or Nish experienced hostility between Muslims and Hindus in the nineties. In Slough, close to where I grew up, there were lots of clashes between Sikhs, Hindus and Muslims involving gangs armed with swords, knives, axes and baseball bats so I guess it just depends on what part of the UK you grew up in.
It's a fantastic lie that these two blokes want to peddle.
Hindus and Muslims have never got off well together.
Individuals, maybe. As a community, never.
@@maheshpurandare8980I think they were doing pretty well before the east India company turned up to make them railways
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Maybe financially. What about intercommunity relations? Were they holding hands and dancing to Kumbalaya?
Why did Sirhindi have to get the Afghans to fight the infidels in Panipat?
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East India company was no charity.
@@maheshpurandare8980 don’t need utopia mate … just an example of people being able to get on. It’s not rocket science. Be a bit kind, use benefit of the doubt, forgive a bit and don’t have anyone in a position of absolute power over you. Hey presto, most people get on.
Wow, that was so interesting. These two guys are so smart, knowledgeable and eloquent. Great to hear their perspective.
Superb conversation, thank you.
I could easily watch another hour of these two chatting.
Thank you. That was a great discussion
Very enlightening conversation
Brilliant stuff 👏👏👏
Saw Nish on tour about 6 weeks ago. The man never fails to crack me up. He's a genius
I grew up in Pakistan and Goodness Gracious Me! was my favorite show ever. Loved it.
Wonderful as always! Thank you for sharing your truth!
Love you both
Great episode. Learned so much.
I loved the Mash Report. I still miss it.
Great podcast
Please get one with Hassan Minhaj too
Great guest Mehdi, love his tee-shirt......❤😊
Excellent conversation
What a fantastic episode.
My mate was from Kerala, spoke Malayalam, if you think Romulan is hard!!! I think about him often
Such a great/important conversation. Thank you!
Please get sadiq khan, London mayor on. Guy is making amazing changes but no media ever let him speak at length. Tq.
this country needs a truth and reconcilaition committee
Could listen to these 2 talk all day. Nish really speaks with such eloquence
Could listen to these 2 talk all day❤️
Brilliant discussion as we again sadly seem to be rushing headlong into the past. It seems history should be defined as the study of the mistakes we’ve made and are destined to repeat in a nauseating cyclical continuum
absolute pleasure to listen to both of you!
My first experience with Nandos was in Australia when wifey and I visited her family a couple years ago. So good. Brought some spices back home. We're headed back to straya this weekend. Cannot wait for some Nandos.
As a dual citizen of South Africa and Australia, Australian Nandos is not a patch on the real deal
5:41 mehdi's underrated comedic timing.
You're a treasure Medhi! I think you'd have to go back to early 20th century to find a journo as solid and consistent as yourself. Thanks you for your hard work, I for one am glad you weren't interested in medicine.
Great conversation❤
Love this pod! Please PLEASSEE try to bring Aamer Rahman on this show. He'd be an amazing guest and thoughtful comedian, although he's very elusive about doing any shows lol
loved hearing this, made me feel sane.
Nish is absolutely right…we need to ‘audit’ and have accountability…
Good show
Excellent show. This 80 yr old Catholic woman has the same concerns.
What are your concerns my friend?
Informative and enjoyable - well done.
Mehdi thanks a lot of this episode with Nish. I always loved Nish's comedy but I have now even more respect for him. He is certainly a man with a lot of depth in his thought and his character 👏
I first had Nandos when working in Cape Town SA in 1996. South Africa had a new president called Nelson and I felt honoured to be there. I was from NZ which also now has Nandos.
Lovely and entertaining people, both of you. Thank you for making me smile for the first time, in I don’t know…
I’m a white British man who grew up in Africa. I also remember the 80s-90s’ fixation with the P word, the hate behind it when screamed across the street by school kids to anyone who looked remotely brown. I know words are just sounds, and it’s the context and intonation that makes them hate-filled but to this day as a 50-something I can’t ever say it out loud or write it down for my brain instantly replaying the sound of the word in their hateful voices. I have been a vehement anti-racist since I was about 12, I attribute that to my African background but even then when we moved back to the UK I was branded ‘half cast’. Even my very light brush of homegrown perceived ‘difference hate’ has left its scars and affects.
I truly admire anyone brown, black anyone who wasn’t white in the 1950s onwards, and now even including whites from across the world who have chosen to come here. They must have known it wouldn’t be easy, but not this bad, surely? Today I thought, I hoped, I assumed we had moved on. There seems to be more -isms now than ever. I don’t think we will ever grow out of it. Maybe it’s in our DNA. It’s why the gang of chimps chase out strangers, invaders, ‘immigrants’ in their group. Fear. Mistrust. Suspicion. They look funny.
We can’t change, despite our ability to think through our decisions and our actions. This is the species that has pondered our existence, built spaceships, doubled our life expectancy. And kills its own because they look funny.
I am never going understand it.
I’m a brazilian who lives in Madrid, and that is so true when Nish mentions Modi and Bolsonaro and how the diaspora has splitted in progressive and reactionary leaders
He had not a single iota of idea about modi, i have been living in the uk as well as india, Most of my muslim friends support modi because of the incentives that they recieved under modi government for scholorships and what not. Muslims in india are poor compared to others its just a fact and modi had bought many schemes to uplift them but this guy just bashes modi without having an iota of first hand experience in india.
Very enjoyable and interesting, thanks guys...
I hwve an Indian friend (India) She invited my Ex now deceased for a dinner she knew I love Spicy food. She made this Peanut and Rice dish I thought yummy took a rather large spoon of it she said you may want to try it before taking a big bite. I thought my head was going fo explode. She also made a lamb dish that was absolutely delectable and she said how we suggest esting it is with Pickel everyone always corrects me. IYKYK BTW I'm an old hWyte man disabled Vet4Peace my 1st protest was for Roe in 72 also same year Vietnam. In 73 for QUEER Liberation as a Trans Woman we've always been on the right side of history.
I object on the biryani debate, South African biryani ftw
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Great discussion!
The statements made in this conversation reminds me of when I worked in London and a colleague asked me “Do they have Nando’s in South Africa?” 👀
Nando’s have done a great job making Brits believe they originated it but we’re glad they enjoy it so much.
Like curry in pubs !
Sathnam Sanghera is the person to watch and his books to read as he addresses British and American history in the context of migration and prejudice.