How Much Range does a Tesla Model X have after 7 years?
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- This 2017 Tesla Model X was BRAND NEW when we bought it! Time to do a proper range test to see how much battery I ACTUALLY have after 100k miles!
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i had range anxiety just watching! 😅
I think I didn’t skip forward I promise 304 miles
0mile?
I guessed correctly I said 202
Try doing it with out navigation to super charger
I'd like to know what the range is on a cold winter day when the heater is in use.
Tesla engineer here 👋🏼
Your 22” Turbine wheels alone will net about 10% less range, even when new! That combined with driving much faster than the EPA when they rated this vehicle, I would say your actual degradation isn’t too bad!!
Usable capacity (when new) on the 100kWh pack is ~94kWh. Seeing that the vehicle was showing” charging complete” well before 100% tells me that the BMS isn’t calibrated, my guess is that with proper calibration you would be able to pull more than the 72kWh out of it, probably closer to 80. (~15% loss)
A good result overall!! Very useful information, great video. 🎉
Would it be fair to say that those wheels over the lifetime of the vehicle contributed to faster degradation?
This deserves a pin. Very good info, thank you.
@@antoniorenteria2896wheels have no impact on battery degradation. Increased consumption, yes! Turned heads? Also yes!
Frequent supercharging and keeping the battery below 20% + over 90% for extended periods of time are the biggest factors for battery degradation. Even with frequent supercharging, modern packs can last well into the hundreds of thousands of miles with ample range.
@@happinessiskey2858you are welcome!
Thanks for your detailed comment! I always love hearing from real Tesla engineers. Thanks for your hard work on putting your passion in what you do! :D
@@S3XYdriver
I am still not over the fact that 2017 is 7 years ago.
On Tesla's 5 cycle EPA test, their 295 original estimate (which includes only driving at the speed limit and city driving which helps EVs) you probably got closer to 250 miles at best of highway driving at 70mph. So you've lost a little less than 50 miles of real world range. So more around 20% at the most.
And you also have to remember that yours was some of the early models, which are not nearly efficient or had heat pumps or newer, better battery chemistries.
Net capacity when new was 95 kw and battery at test delivered 72 kw ,based on that is 32% degradation ,but there was probably some kw below 0 mile but its still around 30%.
thats still alot in 7 years. no gas car loses that much in such a short amount of time.
@@Stackali Yes, but these were the very first battery powered SUVs without the newer battery chemistries and, more importantly, much better battery management systems. Compare that to the early gas cars where they only got 20 or 40 miles tops, this is on another level of superiority for being around for such a short time.
The Model X's for 2023 are on another level from the one on this video. Those from 7 years ago were the trailblazers. So you have to keep that in mind.
Degradation is the reason I'm staying with gas@@Stackali
Pretty much all electric cars, (and phones, and laptps etc) suffer battery degradation over time at the moment. I'm sure the next gen will be better, but I don't fancy buying a crap product on the offchance the next one will be OK@@Paul-cj1wb
What’s way more interesting besides the displayed range is how much kWh the battery is still able to hold. If it really is below 30% the battery should be covered under Tesla warranty since the car is not older than 8 years with mileage under 150,000. Most Tesla’s I’ve seen maintain about 90% of their battery capacity with the same amount of mileage.
I recently bought a 2023 Model X but, because the falcon wing door was out of alignment at delivery, the service department had it for 3 weeks. During the three weeks, I had a loaner Model X 75D with less than 60k miles on the odometer. I was struck by how much better the refreshed Model X drove. It's not only more comfortable on the inside with the changed interior, but the driving experience is significantly different. I was also surprised at how much more efficient the new one was than the old one, so not only was the battery bigger but the drivetrain was much more efficient. They may look the same on the outside, but they aren't the same car.
Hmm
The refreshed model X is an amazing vehicle! Congratulations!
In my opinion if your spending that much money on a car better off buying like a porsche or something
I’ve had a 2016 X, 2018 X, 2023 X, 2021 S, 2018 3 and 2021 Y. The refreshed X and non refresh is very different. All of what you mention is true. Also it has. Heat pump and charges way faster.
I’d rather have a Y than the old X
@@cwang9915 Yeah, you're right that the heat pump probably makes a big difference on efficiency. You've had a ton of experience with Teslas! For me, it's really down to a tall person putting kids in car seats. Leaning down to put a baby in a car seat with that falcon wing door is amazing. No one is hitting their heads on roof.
If you watch Bjorn Nylands tests the average range loss of EVs seems to be around 10% every 100 000km (62 000 miles). A little less if you charge mostly at home and more if you use alot of fast chargers.
Yeah: fast charging is bad for batteries in general
Love your videos. My wife and I are from Cedar. We moved to Oklahoma. Great to see your videos around home there. Keep up the great work.
The 295 original range wasn’t a 70 mph range so degradation is likely much less than 32%.
Very true! The EPA test cycle is done at like 50 mph in which EVs are very efficient and use a lot less energy than at 70 mph. So I’m guessing he has lost in degradation somewhere around 20% on that car, which is quite good. You also have to take into account that you have almost no maintenance cost on an EV. If he were to maintain an 8 yr old car with over 100k miles on it with the original MSRP around $100k(so like a BMW X5)…oh boy, the bills really do stack up! Easily over $10-15k on the maintenance itself…
THX DAN 🤗💚💚💚
Yeah they should stop defining the range at speeds no one drives.
Can you do a video about how the white interior held up after all the years? Thanks
@@logan594on Texas free ways the speed limit is 85!
Regarding the window sound, you'll want to get that checked out. I had the same issue in my Model X for the longest time and eventually, the belt snapped and had to get replaced.
Can confirm, this tends to be an issue on the older S/X cars. Luckily it’s not very service intensive to repair.
Could you go through what your cost on maintenance/tires and any other repairs that have needed done to compare to a gas vehicle? This would be interesting to see how much just maintenance alone would save you?
That was awesome Dan, your crazy bro. I would have lost my mind on the freeway with 5 miles left. Love it!
And if his car died on the Vegas strip, he wouldn't be able to move it and cause a huge traffic jam pissing people off.
Hey I just ask this question. Thanks Dan for the update and it is great you have 7 years of usage to test this out. Gives us a pretty good idea of what to expect from these EV Batteries.
With a new EV expect way way better battery performance. This is a old battery pack/chemistry
With old school 18650 cells
Tesla only uses these cells in models S&X.
Next generation S&X will drop these cells.
@@stewartciesla8142 end of the day it's still a battery. It will degrade and will need a replacement, that is facts. I can't imagine what the new battery cells cost, especially solid state.
@@herewegoagain7403
if you buy a EV today and 8 year later battery pack price could be 50% or lower than today's price as the energy density of battery getting higher, actually lesser battery pack needed when you replacing it.
No it isn't. These are very skewed results. Even an older Telsa doesn't have that much battery degradation in 7 years, otherwise, everyone would be complaining. Calibrate the Battery Management System, and I can guarantee degradation will be far less than 10%, probably around 7%.
My toyota camery is 21 years old. It has 295,000 miles, and it still get's 23-24mpg on avg with a range of 330-335 ish miles. Electric vehicles have a long way to go on battery tech until they surpass gas cars. Anyone (which includes elon since he has said it many times) that says range limitations aren't a thing are just flat out wrong
In 5 years, buying a gas car will be too expensive, since production volume will be way down.
On the other hand EV's will be much cheaper, you won't really have a choice.
How much have you spent in oil changes, maintenance and gas?
$30k in gas at $2.50 per gal
$6500 in oil changes if you do it every 3k miles.
Plus you brake jobs every 50k miles. I am betting $39,000 spent in gas and maintenance plus the price of your car.
Tesla you have zero oil changes and no gas. If you charge from home with that many miles you would have spent about $5000 in power bills. $600 in brake jobs. You get 100k miles before you do brakes.
I know you're not intelligent enough, but everyone's already mentioned this is abnormal degradation for a battery and might be covered under warranty. Just going online shows most Teslas this old are around 85-90% health.
@@rob3812 At a per gallon cost of $3.09 for gas. My car costs me for gas, oil, filter (at current prices): $0.1358/mile. For context if I bought a tesla where I'm at my cost in electricity would be somewhere between $0.02 - 0.03/mile on average. You're right in that it doesn't need oil, but the brakes/other parts would be more expensive since it's a newer car most likely and doesn't have 3rd party stuff etc. The current cost of my car relative to me is $0, but throw in how much it's worth say $1k. A brand new tesla M3 at $44k (taxes, fees, also wouldn't get any discount). With current driving habits at about 300 miles per week (a rough guess) my car costs $40.74 per week. With the tesla at $0.03/mi that would be $9. However you would need to pay the loan. Most M3 loans would be at about $661/month without "gas savings" marking bs.
So my car would be 40.74 * 4 = $162.96/month as it stands.
The M3 as it stands would be $661 (loan) + $9 in electricity(4 weeks) = $697/month.
In my case my car is by far cheaper, however if you compared it to a new car of the same price then it would make more sense. My original point was only that his car is a handful of years old, and the battery life is tanking like crazy. My car is about to be 22 years old and still gets 23-24mpg even though brand new it would get 24-25mpg. Which means the degradation in mpg is almost none, and by extension the range is the same as it was when it came out of the factory. Yes, burns some oil (at about 1 quart per 800-1000 miles but I have that cost factored in). Which also means it doesn't it's own oil change over time, and just have to replace the filter like once a year lol.
@@silvy7394 A) No it's not abnormal wear on the battery B) No it wouldn't be under warranty C) You're talking to someone who would run laps around you physically and mentally. I have been following tesla for many years now, and know all of the in's and out's. Also know finance quite well and physics quite well. Here's an idea, put down the nachos bag and hit the gym. You're hands indicate you have a BMI that's likely >35 if not >40
D) The original point was that his battery is degrading rapidly and by extension so is his range. My gas car isn't because it's a gas car. Current battery tech simply can't sustain over the long term as it stands without major degradation. All of this should be factored into the cost, and no as of now the warranty doesn't cover it for someone like him. The reason why it doesn't is because Tesla would lose it's shirt if they covered it. Maybe in the future they will change up the tech and be able to cover it, but that's not today
Come to the east coast in NY from November-March when the temps are below 40 degrees and get in to single digits at times in the peak cold of winter and see what kind of range drop you have. My bosses Lightning goes from 230 range to like 170 when it’s cold below 40 which is quite often around here. I’m sure the battery does much better in a warm area where you are. I know a guy who owned a Tesla for about 2 months until it got cold in our area and couldn’t believe the bad range when it gets cold. It’s not for everyone and everywhere. Thanks for the video and perspective.
great video, so does your vehicle qualify to be fixed under battery warranty? Currently the website says 8 years and at least 70% capacity will remain, are you above or below 70?
I’m ordering a new X, delivery in Feb ‘24. Price was attractive, $79.995. Ordering in red. Like you, I hope to keep for awhile, but I’m still keeping my BMW X3 M40i - range is 400 miles on a single tank (without using a lead foot), but is only for longer road trips. The Tesla is going to be my daily drive. Enjoy you channel!
Thats a great plan!
As a Tesla owner (now a 2022 X Plaid) for years with many road trips I can tell you that your new model X will be a much more pleasant (and safer) road trip car. Since my first LONG road trip in 2017 there are 4 times as many charging locations and the charging is much faster. Enjoy you Model X.
I ordered a new model X March 4, 2024. Of course I’m still waiting. Have you received yours?
I’ve had my Model Y just over 3 years and I’ve lost about 12% of my range. It isn’t something I notice in my day to day driving but it’s a bummer to see such a significant loss when you are doing a road trip. Took a recent weekend trip to Vegas and definitely felt it. I tried to stay at 65mph or less for most of the way but you really can’t go that slow when everyone is doing 80. I wish I kept track of how many kWh I had at 100% charge when my car was new so I could see if the 70% warranty applies before I hit 8 years of usage.
I’ve had my M3 LR for 5 yrs and 105,000 miles. Battery was rated at 310 miles, and I had the expected 10% battery loss the first 2 yrs, and then another 1-2 % the third year. The good news is I haven’t lost any more these last two years, and I heard or read that Elon said the battery would outlast the car itself. Looking and hoping that is the case.
Just stick to the right lane. And the HVAC also drains range so if you can avoid using it and using the heated seats or cooling (if you have that feature) it’s more efficient.
@@jagheel1 That's acceptable, I guess. Once it gets below 260 miles range though, I'd be selling it quick.
If ur going Vegas it’s uphill so it uses 120% battery to get there if ur coming from California. But takes about 95.% going home going 75 mph.
@@jagheel1they also said the life expectancy of the battery is 136,000 miles. Source , Germany Tesla lawsuit
I just bought a Tesla y and had the same question in my mind, appreciate your diligence to help answer this question about ageing EV’s
I had a 2020 X and after 20 months and 49,000 miles, I lost 22 miles (Free Supercharger).
From 328 to 308. Average 3 miles per kW.
My current 2022 X was 348 range new and after 14 months and 20,000 miles, lost 20 miles from 348 to 328 and it dropped 16 of those 20 miles after 5,000 miles and a software update.
Again, 3 miles per kW
From 100kw battery, it now shows only 94kw capacity.
Just wait till the Cybertruck shows up and gets ONLY 2.5 miles per kW.
Waiting to trade my X for the Y when Elon gets the range Up
The reason that it says that you used 70 something KWH is because of battery deterioration. Basically when a battery starts to deteriorate the maximum capacity of the batteries reduces as well. Just like on your iphone. It's not that the phone starts to use more battery as it becomes old but rather that the battery capacity is reducing causing your total active screen time to reduce. So its not that the car just uses more energy rather it is that the original 100kwh worth of batteries can only hold 70 something kwh of charge.
If it loses 30% battery, I believe it’s covered under warranty
It is, but his real world range at 70mph, was likely not actually 295 miles at the time of purchase. Combining that with the extra 20-15 extra miles he could have gotten with the screen indicating "0 miles left", and I believe most owners in similar conditions get less than ~15% actual battery degradation.
Tesla's Model X *battery warranty* : _8 years or 150,000 miles, whichever comes first, with minimum 70% retention of Battery capacity over the warranty period_ .
@@sillystuff6247 Yeah lol it's cutting it VERY close isn't it 😂
Wha
I can’t watch you
We have a 2016 X P90D we charge to about 220 max too - started near 295 those early X packs seem to loose range. My 2013 S P85 still can do 250 max with an A pack
my wife and I recently took a 3k mile road trip in our 2022 tesla model y LR and we were very disappointed with the range. The car is 1.5 years old with 40k miles and we ended up averaging 210 miles of range for 0-100. I believe the Model Y LR was estimated to get around 320 when we purchased it.
Oh that’s bad, but like some of the comments above, the initial range wasn’t at 70 or so mph, so probably less degradation
take it back..false figures so against trading standard.a few have took back there vw ids under this legal terms
Look at the used car ads, you will not find an EV with over 200,000 miles on the original battery. It's almost impossible to find any over 150,000.
My 2017 MX100D with 22” wheels says the car can do 270miles with full battery (6.5years in my possession - heavily supercharged in the beginning but then tapered off after the first year or two). Range held steady for the first 3 years but then the range started to drop at a higher rate for some reason (maybe there’s a buffer built in which maintained the higher number for a few years?). Looked at the new MX but a 400 mile R1S seems more enticing - if the cybertruck wasn’t so close to being ordered/delivered this year, I would likely have switched over.
When that car was new,doing the same test I think your range would have been between 240 and 250 miles so the degradation is not 32%.
Well he did say at 0:24 that he got it above 300 miles on a charge once or twice when it was new.
@@Teknomanslade2yeah, but that was probably driving at lower speeds...EVs are super efficient at lower speeds unlike normal cars, however at higher speeds they drain the battery quite fast
Net capacity when new was 95 kw and battery at test delivered 72 kw ,based on that is 32% degradation ,but there was probably some kw below 0 mile but its still around 30%
EV's are super efficient when driven slowly, however at normal speeds they are terrible. There fixed it for you.@@vitkrivan9380
😂😂😂 I think he lost mathematics school... Before creating video he need to learn mathematics 😂😂😂😂
My 2018 P100D with the smaller wheels was supposed to have 289 miles new (they delivered it at 100%, and it showed 286); it's down to 89.9 kWh according to the BMS; the car claims it can do 246 slam-full. We did drive the new standard Model X; it is nice, but as you said, it wasn't nice enough to re-buy the car with our Cybertruck reservation getting close to converting to an order.
What's it getting now? I see used 2016/2017 model x p100d for like under 30k
@@CryptoArena-pq5czit gets 246; we usually do 200, though, thanks to the number of stations. It's not worth the extra 30 minutes to get the last 46 miles. We almost took them up on the new one, but I can't justify two brand-new Teslas for one driver with us being next-morning reservation holders for Cybertruck.
I have a 2018 Model X 100 D with 95,000 miles on the car. My car when new was chargeable to 350 miles. After 6 years, I am still averaging about 330 miles on a charge. Approximately a 16% mile reduction. The car has performed flawlessly for the last 6 years and has only been in the shop for routine maintenance, with no major issues with the mechanics of the car. I have had a Model S for 3 years and it was also an amazing car. Range anxiety is overblown in the media. I have driven my Model X across the country ( Ohio to California) and never once was there an issue regarding charging. I believe the media unfairly slams Tesla on issues that really do not exist. My cars powered cars cost me a lot more to maintain than my Tesla.
I have the same car2018 Model X 100 D with 120,000 km now,
max load is 412 km now and it was at the beginning 445 km.
I load 60 % at SC and the rest at home may be 20 times max. load.
I am satisfied with this and will drive it 2 more years.
How much maintenance did you had to do in this model X since you bought it?
Interesting results! Any plans to follow up with the battery health test in Service Mode?
I've got an older X; these models don't have battery health test in service mode. Quite a few options are not available for these pre-refresh X and S's
Dan here’s a recommendation. Get a model x long Range, it rlly has a lot of ups to the 2017 model c
Even more excited about future
I have a 2018 model x 100d and it has 64k miles on it. A full charge is 264 miles a gets about that on a road trip. Also it was in a decent car accident where it got rear ended and 20k in repairs.
for the total amount of miles Im gonna say 202 because you gotta figure at some point you go faster along with other factors like wind and the road type, but mainly because of the age of the car.
I can't believe it's been 7 years already .... damn!
I noticed a video you all uploaded yesterday was somehow removed, the things you won’t miss about your dream home video.
My 2017 Model S 100D with 60,000 miles only had 5% battery degradation. I usually charged to 80% only going to 100% for roadtrips. and perhaps just one road trip a year where I supercharged.
I have a 2019 Model 3 Duel Motors. The longest trip I have taken was 1000 miles. I have made that trip several times. I have a range of about 275 miles. I don't get range anxiety because I have to make bathroom stops more often than I have to make charging stops, so I just stop at a Supercharger and fill up while I "Hit the head" and get another cup of coffee.
Since around the 2019 model year and later, the degradation seems to be a lot better.
Coming from a former 2011 Nissan Leaf owner with 45K miles at the end when I sold it, that range loss isn't too bad at all and the range is more than usable for just about any task you would like to do including road trip. Even when Nissan Leaf was brand new, you can totally forget about road trip to las vegas, the car itself has less range than the minimum distance required between the two charging station, making it impossible. I'm quite happy with my 2019 Standard Range Tesla Model 3, although a bigger car like Model Y would be nice.
Fellow 2013 Leaf Driver here...200 miles of range after 7 years :P what a dream that is for a Leaf driver! Haha
Just a question, how come you bought an EV with that little range back in 2011 when there were basically zero chargers around?
@@OneGuyPolitics I actually bought 2011 Nissan Leaf back in 2015 as used, but prior to buying it, I didn't know that EV have existed. Regardless, even with 70 miles of range, it is enough for daily commute and 90% of tasks, but not enough to completely replace the gas car in case of long distance road trip. Even then, I'm able to get around by finding the DC fast charger via Plugshare app and able to plan the route. With Tesla, that completely replaces the gas car. I have done road trip with it multiple times, no problem.
Yep still more than a rear wheel drive Y or 3. The Leaf had an air cooled pack without active cooling so probably the worst degradation
I had a Leaf as well. I loved that little car I bought for 5k but it only got me about 55 miles range so it was just great for driving around town, shopping, gym etc. and that is about it. Loved how it drove though...
I own a Rivian R1T about how long did you have to charge if you went from 0% back to 85% or 100%? I may have missed if you mentioned it. Trying to prepare for Rivian being able to utilize Tesla supercharging network in my area. Thanks
An over the air update years ago adjusted the range after a charge based on your driving. Thus my stated range after a charge varies from good for only city driving to not as good for highway 80mph driving. Also, isn't your warranty 70% after 8 years? I'd have it checked before the 8 years is up.
295 rated and when charged it was 240 miles. How did you loose 32%?
Bingo, that 240 the car stated is the EPA range so that would be less than 20%. Still, that is a lot more than I would have expected and I wonder why it did not charge to 100% as indicated by the battery display
But did you do the same drive when it was new and get 295 miles? I imagine inclining or declining roads could change the results.
You have to calibrate the battery for sure, I have a smart eq that normally show 170km range but if I pass some time without charge to 100% start to show like 140/145km of range and then when I charge to 100% normally say that is completely charged and show 100% but I see in the app that is still pooling power for like 30/45 minutos
Hey Dan - any reason you don’t look at battery replacement? The mechanics will still be the same but at least, you would have a new battery, fresh long range again. I personally prefer the previous integrated screen you have over the new ones. But thanks for the video!
You should look into getting the battery replaced under warrantee.
Yup - when usable energy is less than 70% of the original battery, you are under warranty contract, able to request to have the battery replaced!! Please do it before your warranty expires, and then do another video!
295 miles was the EPA range. A Model X 100D will get around 210 miles of range from the factory.
Great video and loved the idea of getting to 0. Curious to know if you had a backup plan of it got stuck somewhere. Anyway I have a 2018 model s 75d and has 95k miles, but my battery pack is doing good. It may have lost around 7%. I love the car and I am driving it till it is done. Once again it was a fun video
Very interesting, I have a MS 100D that is also 7 years old and, after 160'000 km still can deliver 500km (in summer) or 450km in winter. According to the BMS, I've lost only 6% of capacity. I charged 70% at SuC (free SuC) and the rest at home (11kW). Do you have a module that is faulty? I think is worth just let's check it. We have a great non-Tesla garage that does all these checks and works in Switzerland.
Hey Dan. Thanks for the video. I thought 30% degregation was excessive and would be covered for a replacement pack under Tesla's battery warranty. (Obviously you know more about this than I do). Safe travels my guess would have been about 210 miles so I think you did very well. Safe travels!
That's because he was going 70. The tests they do for the official numbers are driving at 50. He probably has a lot better range at 50
@@Lerpzoid but he still only used 72kw out of a 100kw battery so the degredation must be like 2% from a battery replacement
@@Lerpzoid who drives 50 mph for highway? Lol
@@Lerpzoid Who does 50 MPH on the highway?
My 2016 X came with an 8 year warranty on the drive train AND battery. If you have that same warranty, you should check with Tesla and find out what would constitute a bad battery (excessive range loss), because you may qualify for a swap! Also, don’t plan on having more miles than shown, as I have had my car run out of battery, the instant it hit zero. I was only a couple of blocks from a Supercharger, so I pushed it over there in Tow Mode. However, when I plugged it in, my 12V battery was dead and so that computer was unable to communicate with the charger. I had to jump the 12V to get the computer to fire up. Big hassle!!
Sounds terrible. What a big problem I don't need.
thats terrible for a 80k car ngl
@@ISLAMICSTORIES13 Even $1million cars can run out of gas. The price is irrelevant.
my point was that an 80k electric car shouldn't need a 12v battery jump to start the computers in order to charge the car. they could easily engineer it to have a jump box built in. @@mikemazzantini6397
what i want to know is, that range test is like standard "normal" mode driving, does the tesla cars have like different modes? i know there is like racing mode or something but like i just bought a new car a few months ago and it has an Eco mode, that makes it not as powerful but it saves on gas mileage, does the teslas have that same kind of feature? and if it does would love to see a test of that
I bought a 2023 Model 3 RWD in June. It said 267 miles of range and still claims that when fully charged, but if I do 80-85 MPH my real range ends up being 220. Really think it is time for Tesla to update software to give less optimistic ranges. I can probably get 260 miles if I drive super easy and just go all the things people do to get max range. I doubt I would ever hit 267.
It seems battery mix is big factor. In theory the CATL LFP battery in my Model 3 should not drop a ton. Twelve percent over five years is what many are saying. We will see.
Dude 85MPH is excessive. Even an ICE will see big losses at that speed.
This was a great video! What is your plan when this car eventually needs a battery replacement? I would like to own a Tesla someday, but my only gripe is that the battery replacement cost will be way too much in comparison to the value of the car. I am the type to buy a car in cash and keep it for at least a decade.
The cars effectively become disposable. The next gen of battery tech will be better, but the existing ones are doorstops at best. Just look at the second hand values of EV's.
if you planning on keeping it,
when you planning to drop that 10k to 20k for a new battery and are you ready for that time
or
will you just trade it in for a new Tesla, especially since price has dropped a lot since 2017?
1:43 I've seen the plastic tips of these charge cables chip off, probably due to dropping like this
My 2018 lrm3 is 5.5 years old, 70k miles, and my range loss is a lot less than what you have. At 80% charge, I am still getting about 237 miles. I will go a bit below 10% and then charge to max and see what close to 100% still will get me. Originally mine was 310 total miles range so my range loss is pretty minimal. There are plenty of super chargers around and so I am not very concerned. Also, if all you are using your X for driving mostly around for errands, the 30% range loss does not impact the utility of the car much….only would impact long trips.
Appreciate the videos. Just subscribed. Isn't it a bit of apples and oranges comparing the original displayed max range vs your current real world results to come with a degradation percentage? FWIW, I also have a 2017 X100D with just under 80K miles. I use the Tessie app to monitor degradation. It currently claims I have 7.3% degradation.
Thank you for the video. I think you missed on the opportunity to cover not only the range but the total lost capacity if you'd charge the battery from back from 0 to 100%. Perhaps you've a good case to claim the warranty!
He did 72kWh from 100kWh that the car use to have.
@@Pressure165 My point is that to find out what the actual capacity is you need to charge from 0 to 100%. You will not get that from driving the car from 100 to 0%.
EQ line up for Mercedes have improved a lot I work on the dealership and I have driven all the variants from the cheaper to the top of the line and I have see the range goes from 212 to 350 miles depending the model
nah they have the worst efficiency out of all the popular evs
the reviews of the EQS that I have seen is that it is really really bad.
Mercedes engineers some of best Gasoline powered engines in world.
but you forgot one thing if your battery pack goes bad after your warranty is up that's $28,000 or more or a bit less to replace the battery pack out of your own pocket
Not near that much. And only happens 10 percent or less of the time and they have warranties you can buy for 3500 that warranty it up to 250k miles if you are worried about it.
@@isaacinmon4086 you need to do your research buddy and I said if your warranty is up learn to read
@NICKSSHOP no you need to read. You can purchase another warranty thru a 3rd party company once the original is up... and a new battery is 10-20k, not 28k+
Here's my comment. First off, thanks for posting this video. We are driving my brother-in-law's 2018 model X - it looks just like yours. It's a 100D as well. He for it new and I've put about 4,500 miles on it. Brother-in-law can't drive now - unfortunately in assisted living. He only had 23,000 miles on it last year - then I put 4,500 miles on it, so it now has 27,700 miles. Low miles for a 6-year-old car, I think. I live in Montana and drive it to Wyoming to help my brother-in-law. Wide open spaces, not many superchargers (but so far, no problems getting to chargers). I'm not running it to a full charge on long trips - usually about 96% or so. Then fighting a lot of headwind, I can comfortably get to the next supercharger with maybe 50 miles range left. My question for you -- any experience pulling a trailer with the 100D? We will need to bring a few pieces of my brother-in-law's furniture up here from Wyoming and considering using a small U-HAUL. The scarcity of superchargers here (more coming, but that's the future) make me get "range anxiety," particularly when the Wyoming winds blow against me! [but the wind does turn a LOT of those big turbines to generate electricity if I could get to it!]
you might want to go to a dealer and ask them to check the soh (state of health) of the battery couse if it falls below 70% in the warranty period it should be covered in the warranty and they should give you a new battery
It’s crazy how 2017 was 7 years ago. The Tesla still holds well even though it’s been used for so long
Battery degradation depends on how you treat your car. I've had my model 3 since 2020 and I've only lost about 3% of the range, but then again that could be due to improved battery chemistry and technology since 2016 or 2017.
What are you doing specifically to help better the life of your battery? I’m curious as a 2021 MY owner.
@@kevinromero9006 As far as I know, my model 3 has the 2170 cells. You're supposed to set your charge limit to 80%, so that's what I do as frequently setting the charge limit higher than that will wear the battery down quicker. I only use the model 3 for local commutes to work, I also try to avoid long drives and road trips where I'd need to supercharge. Frequent supercharging will wear down your battery faster. I keep my Tesla garaged which might also help. Another big factor in extending the longevity of the battery is living in colder climates. I live in western Canada which has a cold temperate climate, so that might extend battery life as well.
It really defeats the purpose of buying a EV car and drive it when you have to go out of the way to serve the car instead of letting it serve you. @@ludicrousmodel3173
Thats actually a really good result. Thats not 32% loss. You should get the tessie app and use the battery health option to see where your battery is currently at
aww the tessie wessie app 😂😂
I will love to see in the next few years your car, i always search for evs after 10 or 12 years in youtube, i love to see them how they keep up
Oh gosh I haven't realised you have another channel, I was starting to get afraid that you disappeared.. :D
Amazing channel, keep up the good work the vibes are GREAT!!
I have a good question, What happens if you replace the battery? Kind of like when you replace an old iPhones battery, the software restores the iPhones peak performance power. Can that be the same with Tesla? An how much could it cost?
Yes, although you need a pretty degraded battery to start seeing performance losses, unless its a supercar.
I'm wondering if that 295 miles original also was with 70 mph.
Next I want to know if Las Vegas is at the same level NAP (every 100M climbing takes about 3 miles from the range...unless you get that back by descending later on without braking.
9:07 What are your charging tendencies? How religious were you at limiting the charging to 120v or 240v, or how much supercharging did you use? I know you can limit the charge maximum, but isn't it the fast charging that really creates the issue with battery life?
I appreciate the honesty. 30% is a lot, I wonder if Tesla has updated the firmware to have a larger safety margin, that would be understandable.
I am surprised… I thought you would at least get 240 miles with even the wheels.
You might have to try getting Tesla to do a warranty repair on your battery. I have 90D 2016 I am around 73 - 75 kilowatt hr left. Plus I feel I can better efficiency than that with the based wheels.
Could also be topography.
You should be able to use more battery than me that is my concern . 111k miles.
Please anybody that read this like it so that he can see it.
I’ve been watching your videos for a long time and I just bought a Tesla after so long and a nice car and I know that because you guys
Great video. The battery life is of great concern. With Hertz selling off their Tesla EV fleet I was considering making a bid. But their prices are too high considering that 30% of the battery life is gone.
Great video. I was quite surprised at the 32% loss over 7 years and 100,000 miles on the odometer
its not 32 percent... it is simply faulty test parameters... you CAN NOT compare EPA rated range when New to the 70 mph test now.... if you do that, you have to go EPA to EPA, or 70 mph to 70 mph.
I'd like to see tesla bring out a more affordable and economical battery replacement service. I know they never will until the EU gets involved again, but I'd still like to see it.
Swappable batteries where the battery itself is no longer part of the car, but the price of your "fuel" meaning bad cells get taken out of circulation, recharging is as simple as an automated battery swap (meaning mere minutes for a 0-100%) and initial outlay is removed from the cost.
It does however require manufacturers to agree to a common standard for battery shape & removal. Perhaps multiple modules allow you to choose larger to shorter range packs for different vehicles.
Such common standards have happened before with cars, can happen again.
@webzterd I don't mean as a replacement for recharging. I mean as a method to extend the lift of the car when the cells begin to lose their life. So the cells can be recycled, and the car body, motors, interior, etc can continue to be used as they are still in good condition and its not worth scrapping a car because the battery is tired.
@webzterd another issue with this is that tesla has been and continues to use the apple ideology, forcing customers to go to proprietary repair shops rather than third parties.
Is 356 wh/m good though? I see a lot of model y runs getting between 230/270. I guess if you drove around 55mph you could get it sub 300 which would give you a fair few miles back
Interesting.. have you tried to charge back to 100%? I have a 2018 M3 midrange i bought used in 2022 at 37k miles. Im at 56k now. I dont drive a ton and mostly charge at home on a 110.. lately I have been getting free charging the a level 2 chargepoint a few blocks away from me when I walk my dog... The point im trying to make is I took my car down to zero twice and noticed when I deliberately charged back up to 100% the battery went from showing a top end of 222-223miles to now showing 237. Pretty big difference in my opinion. Try some battery optimization
Curious if the 4680 cells have less battery degradation over time then the old ones
it will likely be the same. battery chemistry doesn't change, just the form factor and power density
@@metubegalvez 4680 have better heat dissipation and shorter travel distance.
They do.
Hey Dan so after watching your video it is possible that you might be able to get a new battery pack due to the battery retention is less then 70 percent and it should be covered under warranty by Tesla.
I have a 2018 model 3, had it for 5 years and it has almost 100K miles. Lost about 10% of the battery capacity. (from 310 to 280 miles). I keep the battery level over 20% all the time. Never charged to 100%. The most I did was 90%. Usually keep the battery level between 20 and 80%.
I kinda wanna see how far it goes will it go 300k miles or less i think we need a longer test on this even then if battery fails itd be cheaper to replace that then buy new one wouldn't it?
My model 3 only has 7% degradation after 5 years and 90k miles. I was hoping I’d be closer to 30+% so I could get a new battery. 😂
ICE manufacturers (at least the German ones) aim to meet their specs at the 5 year point. EV's, not so much.
Won’t Tesla replace your battery once it has less than 70% of the original battery life? Also I would highly recommend getting a new S or X even if you keep this one alongside it considering all those price drops.
Yes but its around 72-75 right now.
@@silvy7394 ik that but if it gets below 70% like next year for say then Tesla will replace his battery free of charge
No the old unlimited miles warranty has no percentage limit, this test is also a bit flawed as the higher consumption at 70mph leads to a higher heat loss in the battery so you would need to have the same test done with the fresh battery to actually calculate the loss.
@@Steinegal that makes more sense also Tesla is known to overinflate range figures by a bit
There is a Range Buffer. There is also a buffer for the Re Gen to use so the battery is not over charged. Use the cruise control and get the longest range. Yes you do lose mileage on a gas motor after 7 years.
I just drove my 2016 a charger station with 3 miles left😊 in San Jose. Watched the video after plugging in.
Would be interesting to know the maintenance cost over the 7 years
Probably less than $5,000 including tires
@chags3512 well not on model s u have to replace tires every 5k miles🤢🤮
@@snow-uq4gx lol if you mash the accelerator all the time maybe.
@chags3512 nope do your research a guy with a plaid has a channel showing this flaw💩 the car is too heavy for the Chasey..has nothing 2 do with speed🙄
@@snow-uq4gx hmmm. I replaced my model 3 tires at 24,000 miles. I suppose it’s not impossible a plaid would need them at 5,000 miles. However, I’d imagine that’s a unique situation and not the average.
The 72.3 kWh is how much you used driving, not everything else that you also need to power the car. Also, you mentioned it as well, you never really get 295 so I wouldn't call it a 30% range loss. I think that is partially why people are so scared of EVs.
The high voltage pack doesn’t power the other features on the car. There is a separate 12 V battery that runs the rest of the systems. So that number is correct for energy expended, for driving.
Yes, because they really, really do degrade. A second hand EV (of any brand) is a doorstop, more and more people are finding they actually degrade, and are actually difficult to repair or replace the battery. Note that performance wouldn't trigger a new battery install based on the Tesla guarantee.
Having a range less than 250 miles is pushing it on the comfort zone. Less than 200 miles and it's going For Sale quick.
@@greggillespie4557 The 12V battery is charged by the high voltage battery. The BMS measures ALL energy that comes out of the HV battery, so it's telling you exactly how much energy was used correctly for any purpose... plugging in a laptop will increase the power used.
Great Vehicle, I love my Tesla Model X 100D, my range is Great and I have done certain modifications to it like the yoke steering wheel and such, its an amazing vehicle overall and the self driving is epic
hey, the one thing i'm curious about the older model x. Can you use your phone key the same way you can in a newer Model Y? So, if I wanted to just walk up and open the door is that possible? Then get in and drive? I haven't been able to find a conclusive answer. I am use to my Model Y and not needing to have a key, curious if I can do that with this? Thank you!
There should be a battery replacement and recycling program. After so many years or percentage of battery degradation you'd be eligible, for a fee of course. What we really need is better battery tech to really make EVs worth it. I don't need or want to have the fastest car off the line. I'll gladly take a worse 0-60 for more range.
They won't do it, they want you to buy a new one. Not take care of the body and get replacement batteries. I thought that was how I was gonna keep mine but After 10 years no more flash upgrades so the cars days are numbered but I hate change and hopefully will find new batteries on some black market in Massachusetts someday.😂
There would definitely be a market for recycled battery replacement for people who are willing to keep their cars beyond the warranty. As these cars age, companies that venture in this business would make a fortune
It might be worth looking into Teslas warranty.
30% degradation might be covered.
Tesla warranty is 8 years or 100k miles whichever comes first so they're over that anyway.
@@__Ben Early Model S/X had 8 years unlimited mileage warranty on pack and motors, my late 2019 Model X has this, and even newer Model S/X's have a 8 year/150,000mi warranty period
Thanks for your video, i wonder how is that tesla is charged in 7 yeears? is it always charged to 100% and use it until low, or just charge until 80% and use until 20%, because that is also a factor that adds up in years that reducing the battery life cycle...
Is it possible to upgrade the battery for a brand new battery?
A good test if you are looking for a 70mph range test after 7 years. Have to take your math with a grain of salt as you compared the estimated epa range of 295 miles to your real range after 7 years so not exactly an apples to apples test. If I had to guess, it’s probably more a 15 to 20 percent .
Well said!
Makes me wonder that What’s Inside channel is losing viewers. So they had to come up with this disingenuous video to spark controversy. AKA views. Which is to bad.
I like his videos. 😢
Also Tesla newer battery pack are know to last much longer and retain its range of with proper maintenance. You’ll be surprised how Tesla batteries have advanced
how long did it take to get on the road again , and did you get it full ?
I got my 2017 M X Dual in March 2017 new. The 90% range was 229 miles. The stated range was 257 mi. Now with 82,000 miles, my 90% range is 214 or 215. It varies. If I want to for a trip, I can get it to the upper 230s. When I consider that all the super charging has been Free, I think this is GGRREEAAATTT ! I can still do everything that I want to with it! And the Gas Savings is just money in the bank!
That does seem excessive, based on my own experience. My 2013 Model S 85 with 165,000+ miles on it only lost ~12%. It started with 265 and after 165K miles it was at 232.
You must have gotten a magical battery pack. Most cars of that age and mileage have lost 40-60% and are easily on their second pack..
@@nighthawk0077 Unless you go by actual data. Actual Tesla owner data shows an average of 12% degradation after 200,000 miles. It wouldn't let me provide a link for you but it's easy to search for Tesla battery degradation and get real data. Please tell me where you found the information to support your claims. I'd love to see that supporting data.
Once that battery is out of warranty, it’s a ticking time bomb as they’ll write off the car immediately as the cost of the battery and fitting costs will at least cost 60% of the value of the car. I’d ditch it.