7mm PRC vs 7mm Rem Mag - Crowning a King of the 7’s
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- The 7mm PRC is the new kid on the block in the 7mm cartridge world. But how does it stack up to the historic dominance of the tried-and-true 7mm Rem Mag? Will it bully the 7mm Rem Mag out of its long-standing number one spot among all the 7’s or be added to the heap of 7mm cartridge skulls it sits on? Mark Boardman and Ryan Muckenhirn hit the range, shoot gel, and debate which is better.
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I’ve lived in Alaska for 44 yrs. My 7mm Mag has killed many mt goat, bunch of sitka blacktail, several black bear, couple of brown bear, several Caribou, Washington state black tail, moose.
Everything I shot at died instantly except Brown bear. It took a couple of shots. I could really tell a difference in shock power between the 30-06. I was 16 when I first got it, now I’m 64. Stopped by Benchmark barrels today to see about a new carbon barrel. BTW my most accurate load was IMR 4831, loaded full tilt ( old recipe, newer ones not close)175 grain Nosler Partition. I was so thankful that the gun loved that load. One day at the range I loaded new reloads and after getting on paper, shooting slow do barrel cool I had a 3 shot group in 1 hole half size of dime. Older guy next to me wanted to buy my gun on the spot 😂. Yes. I love my 7mm Remington Magnum
Are you saying the 7 rem mag has more shock power than the 30-06? or the other way around?
Remember me in your Will please.
G’day from Australia mate!
I’ve yet to “grow up” from my humble 7-08.
@@hrmIwonder7mm Rem Mag all day long and the numbers don’t lie whatsoever, my personal caliber of choice and I’ve been using it for a long time. 150 grain rounds for pretty much everything with the exception of larger game
Sir , I’m 72 years old and been hunting Canada all game . The 7 mag is going to be hard beat. I also shot your recipe IMR 4831 but used a 162 gr. Nosler partition. 👍
I used RL22 and a 175 gr Partition or 160 gr Accubond. Both were hammers. I've seen that 175 gr Partition break the spine above the pelvis and exit low center chest on a bull elk; lengthwise through the whole animal like a runaway freight train and still bury itself in a lodgepole deep enough I didn't care to dig it out. The Accubond got a good 100 fps faster and had a higher BC, so I used it when I went east of the Rockies to hunt mulies. But in the mountains, that 175 gr Partition was hard to beat. I love the 7mm Rem Mag. I still have that rifle, but since my reloading room got turned into a nursery and I haven't been able to load for it, I find myself using my .308 Win more these days. I don't get to the eastern half of the state much and the .308 does okay in the mountains where shots rarely get outside of 100 yards.
One important thing to note in the X vs Y comparisions for people to remember: even if X is technically better than Y, having Y is typically a good reason to not use X. Upgrading a whole rifle and ammo collection for marginal improvments is a game most people dont want to play.
We 100% need a 10ish Minute Talk on the 7mm Rem Mag just so Ryan can vent lol
Watch the 7mm-08 10 minute talk. He rants a little bit in that 10 minute talk.
th-cam.com/video/R58mdqRDfcw/w-d-xo.html
@@CMR.718What did he vent about the King of 7mm, the 7mm STW?
7 Rem Mag is here to stay. Available all around the world jus about anywhere you hunt. Great all around cartridge and affordable. I have been hunting with it for 30 years, my son and daughter both started off with them and shot their first deer with it and I own 2 of them. All these new hot cartridges are great but there are way too many of them and they are expensive to shoot. For hunting, I don't see anything the advantage of the PRC over the Rem Mag, unless your hunting 700+ yards. That said, IMHO, 99% of hunters aren't hunting that distance and probably don't have the skills needed to make ethical shots at anything past 500 yards.
If I had a 7 Rem Mag, I'd keep it and use it. If I was buying new, I'd buy a 7 PRC. The 7 PRC really shines as a ultra long range precision rifle cartridge.
Same, the difference doesn’t make much difference at typical hunting ranges. But if buying a new rifle, why not get that increase in performance? I had unfortunately ordered my Weatherby in 7 rem mag about a month before the 7prc news broke, otherwise I would have waited to get it in PRC.
Well, the 7mmWby. and the 7mmRM are almost interchangeable and identical in performace, but the Rem available everywhere. 7PRC identical performace as the other 2 and scarce as the 7 Wby. I havn't a 7mm but will get a 7RM. Personal preference. If by the time I build that rifle and 7PRC catches up in availability. will go with the 7PRC. I doubt I will use anything heavier than 180 Grns Bullets so no advantage for the 7PRC@@jaydunbar7538
My buddy is building the 7 PRCs.He already ditched the Hornady ammo.The 180 Berger VLD with Retumbo dropped his Colorado Elk with 1 shot at 905 yards this year.
I shoot the same bullet out of my 28 Nosler.I might use a little more powder but I get about 200fps more.We shoot steel plates out to 1300+ yards.Its a toss up I'd say.
for me it is about reloading. i hate reloading belted magnums, always get stuck cases and crincled brass. never had that with the PRC. i have both, i like the PRC better.
It was glorious watching Ryan defend the 7 Mag 😂
As a 7mm rem nerd It was very gratifying to watch. 😂
Still need that .270 Win vs. 6.5 PRC showdown.
Love the series guys 👍
@@alfey318 Seeing as 6.8 Western may be destined for the lead balloon list, no.
In the Hornady ELD-X the 270 is a 145 grain and the 6.5 PRC 143 grain. Very similar drop and drift within practical ranges.
Just curious to see how they actually perform as 270 popularity has declined in new rifles but 6.5 PRC is going strong.
@@alfey318 Yes the 6.5 will have a higher BC given the same weight projectile. That is kind of the point. The 270 and 6.5 PRC come in a similar range of weights and are good for similar types of game.
I just would find it fascinating to do a true comparison between a new design in the 6.5 PRC to a nearly 100 year old cartridge that on paper is very similar.
They work with and promote hornady a lot no chance they’ll show that, looks at everytime a hornady product is used… they defend it like crazy
@@lk9456 This episode is literally them comparing a Hornady developed cartridge to a much older one, which is exactly what 6.5 PRC vs 270 would be.
And in this comparison they gave the win to the 7 Rem Mag so I’m not sure what kind of Hornady bias you are saying they have.
Theirs always the 7mm weatherby magnum
Just like new fishing lures. Different look but nearly same results. It’s not designed to catch more fish. It’s designed to catch more fishermen.
I've been in this exact argument with my dad.
"Buy a 7mmPRC"
"But I have a 7mm mag"
🤣
Unless you're hand loading or want to shoot heavier high bc bullets not much reason to switch at this time. Ammo availability is low
@@eggbert191some new 7rm rifles are being made with 1-8 twist I have one it will shoot 180 eldm great with retumbo I get 2945 on average and I'm about a half grain from max
@@eggbert191 If you handload there is no real reason to switch either unless you want to shoot 180+ class bullets
Re-chamber your 7mm rem to STW. OR Ultra mag... Now you have the king. Lol
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The prc had a wound channel that remained thicker for longer, I'd say that is more important than 1 more inch of penetration
That's what she said.
I thought the same thing.
The PRC should have a better wound channel with a higher grain bullet thats moving about the same speed as a lighter bullet. Theres more energy available for the creation of hydrostatic shock. That cannot be disputed, this argument is the same as guys that want full penetration vs energy expended completely in the animal, there are positives to both. The overall availability to the everyday non reloading shooter the hat tips towards the 7rem. Which is more what this is about.
Agreed
Ballistically, it wasn’t the same test because you didn’t use the same weighted ammo for both rifles. I’ll stick with my REM mag for now. If anything, I’m too old to change!
That's the point of the 7PRC, it can shoot heavier bullets in most factory twist rates than the 7RM
The PRC is objectively better because it can do everything the 7Mag can do, but I wouldn’t sweat it.
Nothing that walks this planet is going to know the difference when they get shot. 😂
Multiple factory offerings in 1in8 twist 7 mag now, read up on on actual factory load velocities in the 7 prc and the 7 mag can match pretty regularly. So it boils down to factory/reload and belt or no belt
Its very fair to say if you already have a 7mm RemMag, theres no need to change. Unless you're looking for something very specialized 7mm RemMag is perfectly fine.
Agreed, might as well compare apples to oranges. Gun weight, barrel length, twist rate, bullet weight, powder type, grains of powder, would change some of their results. The shape of the case is creating differences in performance. Might be minor differences, but it is improvement towards a better cartridge.
Speaking of the Nosler Partition bullet. One year a friend of mine and I did a late November Mt Goat hunt southeast Alaska. He shot a huge trophy Billy. When we were boning it out out his knife made a Ching sound on the back hip socket. There was a mushroomed 30 caliber partition bullet formed around the bone. All healed. I’ve thought often how tuff those animals are, to take a hit like that, go through winter and survive!
I have used a 7mm REM Mag for the last 20+ years in various bulletin weights. Everything that I have harvested has hit the ground, instantly. 0 complaints from me! Picking the correct bullet weight has a lot to do with it.
I would add shot placement
7 rem mag is a fucking stud cartridge
Couple of points I'd like to add for the 7mm rem mag: More gun offerings, more left hand availability, greater likelihood of finding ammunition on the shelf, greater reloading component availability.
The 7 rem mag had one of the biggest changes in rifle hunting history and for good reason it’s still one of the very best to hunt anything in North America with! I know you young bucks think all the new things are the real rage but all you have to do to make the 7 rem mag better then the PRC is put a faster twist barrel! I have hunted reloaded and collected rifles for 60+ years and have seen a lot of changes but have come to realize newer is not always better even when most of the crowd is on the bandwagon for it! The 7 rem mag is going know where in a hurry so your just going to have to carry a lot of hand sanitizer with you🤔😳😂
Or baby wipes because the 7 mm can bring home the meat.
if you change the twist rate from what the design was, then you don’t have a factory rifle anymore. it’s more of a custom rifle, which the 7PRC offers off the shelf
It's still a belted cartridge which to me is the biggest turn-off.
Everything has to be new when it first comes out. Put yourself back in 1962. Why do I need a 7 mag if I already have a 7x57. This new magnum stuff is nonsense. 7x57 has been around for decades and I have killed everything with it. Surely these new magnums will die off. You can't see past the day and age you are in. You don't know if 50 years from now what will be relevant and what won't. There could be a development that makes are brass cartridge cases irrelevant. Oh you are one of those guys that still shoot brass?
I understand why the 7 prc came to be. But what i take away from it is that if you already have a 7 rem mag you really don't need a prc for typical hunting ranges. But if you shoot at extended to extreme...then you may want to consider 7 prc.
I agree, the 7RM can stabilize all of the 165gr projectiles out to 500 yards with enough energy for Elk size game. How much terminal performance does one need to be ethical at practical ranges. Even for shooting out to a mile the 1:9.5 twist has proven its worthiness. I also don't see any need to down grade from my .264 WM to a 6.5 PRC. With bullets being designed to fit into AR10 magazines for hunting, shorter high BC bullets now available are a game changer for slower twist calibers. BondStrike, Speer Impact, to name a couple can really bring out their performance potential.
@@martinfernandez5005 Do you have any trouble getting accurate loads with the .264 WM? In front of the case, the chamber of the Winchester Magnums are just straight tapers rather than having a tube-section of tight freebore to line up the bullet is aligned with the bore to take the rifling evenly. For extreme accuracy, the "match style" chamber with a section of tight freebore makes a difference, but I wonder if it makes that much difference in hunting. Typically, a "taper-only" chamber can shoot well, it is just more picky. The 7mm Rem Mag always had the "match style" chamber, as does every Remington and Hornady cartridge since.
Thanks
That pretty much goes for all the PRCs. They all have more established counterparts and don’t do anything special at hunting distances.
Because the 7mm PRC wasn't meant for you, neither was the 6.5PRC or 6.5-284 Norm. Compared to those 2 the .264WM has massive disadvantages@@martinfernandez5005
@joshjamesguitar sure okay, but from the groups I'm getting at distance my confidence in terminal performance remains the same.
That wound channel on the first gel test was a big win for the 7prc, much wider.
This channel should honestly have another 100k subscribers. It’s great.
7mm Rem Mag is going to be around a long, long time from now.
My hunting load in the 7 rem mag is the 175 grain hornady eldx at 2960 fps. It’s out of a 1:9 twist Remington 700 and groups 3/4 of an inch @100 yds.. that’s pretty much identical performance to the PRC.
Close, but not quiet as you could get the speed with a shorter barrel. The PRC mainly shines in the 180-195gr bullets and being a better factory rifle due to the tighter tolerances with the cartridge. If you are a custom rifle and reloadin kinda guy then there isn't really a reason to look at the PRC right now if you have a 7RM or 7WSM
Yup the performance gain is like 5% the real question is why people aren't talking about 7remmag being better than 300wm
glad this is out, 7mm rem is a keeper
fun video guys. im a 7mm fan. i own 7-08, 280 ai, 7mm mag, 7 stw, 7 prc, 7 rum. in my desert tech srs thanks to es tactical i have a 7mm mag and 7 prc barrel. Both are great im drilling one hole with handloads with both. i shoot 168s in 7 mag and 175 in prc. prc has nearly 150 fps advantage in the handloads. Been a 7mm mag fan since i bought my first one at 18. im 51 now and i think 7prc is now my new favorite
I have an irrational dislike for belts and have been waiting for a belt-less 7MM Rem Mag equivalent. That is what the 7 PRC is so I hope it sticks around.
I don't think the 7PRC is going away, in fact I see it only getting more popular.
It's a two-way street in terms of availability: the more people that buy into the 7PRC the more companies will produce ammo for it. At the same time, the more people stay away from it the less manufacturers will make it.
That's why I always tell these naysayers that they're effectively hoping these new cartridges die simply because they're invested (usually emotionally) in the older and more commonplace cartridges.
Anyone that says "I can find plenty of 7mag ammo" is fighting a redundant argument, OF COURSE it's going to be more common, it's been around for 60 years, but that doesn't mean the PRC isn't better.
Peterson is planning on making brass for the 7PRC
The most accurate gun I've ever shot was a 300 win mag Christensen Ridgeline. That thing shot a 3 shot group at 300 yards and you could put a quarter over the three holes. I didn't like belts either but the proof is in the pudding
Mark and Ryan are perfect hosts for these comparisons. Very entertaining guys!
❤ The 7 mm Rem Mag. I bought it in the early 1980’s .
Very hard to switch to almost the same thing when the 7 mm Rim Mag does everything I need it to do. 👉WIN👈🙂
I've got both and have buddies with 2 different 7prc manufacturers. None of us can get over 2900 with factory eldx ammo so the box got published with an estimated velocity. I've searched all over TH-cam and can't find anyone getting near 3000. My 7rem is in a 26 in barrel but gets 3035 avg velocity wirh 162s. It's about a wash, but the 162s are flatter to 1000 yards.
Love the 7mm Rem Mag, I reload so choices are only limited by rifle twist and my Thompson shoots 175gr fine.
If buying new I would be all over the 7MM PRC, especially as a Handloader.
Great Vlog guys.
The new Remington 700 in 7RM is now a 1:8 twist
7mm was my very first rifle at 17, sadly I’m now 65 ! love it Gerry, love it🇨🇦👍
7PRC is an all-around better cartridge that nobody truly needs 'right now' unless you're not only a reloader but can (a) actually get your hands on the components and (b) are quite proficient at it. 7PRC is a not a 'let me learn how to reload' kind of caliber. That's why 7RM still holds the title and the crown. Having said that, I am definitely getting one so I can hunt when I can't hit (or find) a 1200+ range and vice-verse. The 7PRC does both exceedingly well, but you can't do both (or enjoy doing it) if you start counting rounds... that means you only have enough to 'kind of' enjoy your hobby. I love my 6.5CM and have enough ammo to not worry about sending a couple hundred down range weekend after weekend. If I had a 6.5PRC I'd probably think .... 'well, I'll bring 1 box today .....'. Not fun at all. As for hunting, 7RM gets it done well out to 600+ yds (with ease) and my average shot has always been 150-200 yards.
This 💯
7RM is fine, but I don’t see why anyone would pick it over a PRC now.
@@scottzaggergo out and try to find ammo for the PRC and you just answered your Own question and look at the price difference! Try picking up the brass to reload it as well!
You guys really shoot hundreds of rounds every weekend with bolt guns? In these calibers?Wow. How many barrels a year you go thru
I have friends that burn 100-200rnds p/week. Yeah, changing barrels is part of the hobby .. it's like buying a new running shoe every 6 months.@@orr89rocz
7x57/7mm-08 is/are king obviously!!!
.284 Win based wildcats are king, like the Shehane
Long time user of 7mm RM and not going to change last year loaded up 100 rounds of ammo for it and it will last me 5 years. Elk, deer, antelope, hogs and Bear have dropped with it in the 40 years I have owned it with one barrel change about 10 years ago (change it to a 8.5 twist) moose and brown bear on my bucket list for it!
I’ve killed three bears with my 1994 rem 7 mm they don’t run.
Unless you are competitive or hunting 2-legs, at long range, the 7mmRemMag is and will remain the overall winner for several decades to come...not to mention SHTF field pick-up/resupply for those that perhaps want/need to consider those scenarios.
Still, the 7PRC IS DEAD SEXY and l WANT ONE !!
Every Michigan deer gun season I catch up on like 15 hours of Vortex videos. Love you guys!😂❤🎉
If I was going in the store to buy one or the other I would probably still go with the 7 rem mag. It’s tried, true and more readily available which means a lot in todays world. Both will kill out to 500 yards easily
I'll keep the 7mm Rem Mag. Mark is entitled to his opinion.
Should compare the same bullet weights.
The 7 rem mag is the only magnum cartridge where you just say what caliber it is and people think of that specific cartridge it is THE 7 MAG
You two ought to look closer at the gel block. The 7PRC dropped in the block. The 7 Mag hit the gel block and proceeded to follow through straight line. Wall-a, all questions are answered.👍
I wish you guys would chrono them. There's a big thread on Rokslide of guys posting barrel length and velocities with 7prc factory ammo. The initial Hornady ammo was giving all sorts of pressure signs including blowing primers out. More recent Hornady ammo does not have pressure signs but is running very slow closer to 2750-2800 vs the box claimed 3,000 with the 175eldx. Federal Terminal ascent seems to be performing better with the same 175eldx running in the 29xx range and no pressure signs.
So, it's a bigger version of a 6.5 creedmoor.
What difference does it make that the 7mm RM has more bullet choices? How many people are choosing the ones that the PRC doesn't have? Is it statistically significant? Doubtful. The whole premise of these comparisons is kind of silly. If you like the dinosaur and already own it, shoot that. If you're new to the 7mm space, the PRC is worth a serious look.
That slap was hilarious.
Fun video! Long Live TX and the 7mm Rem Mag!
The scooters are a pretty hilarious touch haha
You should do a showdown with 30-06, 7mm PRC, 6.8 Western, and 280 AI. That would very interesting to watch.
Would love to see the 7PRC vs 6.8 Western analysis.
Ive owned several 7 mag over the past 50 yrs and they have all shot well. Since I have reloaded and collected several set of dies, powder, bullets for it I kind of have to stay with it. But I definitely think the 7 PRC is cool and toss around the idea of getting one to re-kindle my love of range time and tinkering load data again. I have finally come up with the way to buy one and still have a happy home, is to tell my lovely wife its for my Son-In-Law since he takes me deer hunting every year! Ya, that should work!
Just hope your wife doesn't sell your stuff for what you said you paid for it!!
I had this 7PRC bug and ended up going 7SAUM it’s just more efficient with less powder burned and recoil. Shooting a 180g Berger Hybrid I’m getting 2830FPS out of a 22in proof research carbon barrel. To be fair it’s throated long to fit more powder.
I did the same, but with a 26" barrel. Getting 2900-2950 with 175's-180's. I also got a new barrel in 7PRC to replace my nearly shot out 7RUM.
I have browning Xbolt long range 7 mag 1-8 twist barrel, I hand load 195s. No replacement for displacement. Case capacity can’t be hyped away.
If we are going to talk about 7 MM's, 7MM RUM, and 7 SAUM. Like the 7 MM Rem Mag, .30-06, and other older cartridges it's hard to get hunters to change when something works.
Finally, someone with sense. I love my 7Rum. Been loading and shooting it for years. I have dialed a load that shoots 1/2 moa. The only other 7 that even intrigues me is the 28 Nosler, which, if I wasn't so biased, is the true king of the 7's.
@@nt3523 problem with the nosler is it’s inefficient use of that powder, it’s well past the point of diminishing returns. It may be the king, but with the tax so high to shoot it it will remain a novelty cartridge. Not saying I don’t want one, but I treat guns like Pokémon and want one of each lol
Same here, I have both the 7Mag and the 7WSM. The PRC looks interesting, but until the industry catches up with components, it would appear buying that stuff will almost break the bank, compared to the amount of bullets, cases, etc readily available for the 7Mag. Love my 7WSM, but it surely was eclipsed by the 270WSM. But in all honestly both 7's have never had an animal that didn't just drop when hit, especially deer using the 140gr Accubond.
I have a 7mm mag. It kick a little more than I would imagine in my old wood 700 and the bullets in my area aren't easy to find. However I just love the damn thing. The sound is sexy and the deer I've taken with it always just drop with me doing my part somewhat lol. Let's be fair it's still hard to expect it to keep up as well as it does with cartridges just made a year ago with how old it is.
My 7 rem mag does everything I need it to do. For most practical hunting purposes, the 7 mag will take care of all the hunting needs for me. If I need something more to hunt fang and claw, i will jump to a 30 cal or 338 cal catridge.
It will take anything in America.
As one guy said, “if you already have a mag, spending money for the PRC makes no sense. Not really enough difference to justify. The one advantage I see on the PRC is not dealing with a belted case. Otherwise, eh.
Professor Ryan has never let me down
We need 300 win vs 7 mag. And 7 prc vs 6.8 western !
If you don't already have a 7mm, it makes sense to consider the PRC. If you already have a 7mm RM, it probably doesn't make sense to jump ship.
The pushback I have is on the terminal performance comparison. The wound cavity for the two 7 PRC loads looked substantially larger from the presented angle. The 162 eldx went further, but the main portion on the 7 PRC was both larger and longer. The 160 CX was even more impressive in comparison to the 150. That 160 looked like it had good wound cavity for close to 20 inches.
A very important aspect of versatility that wasn’t mentioned is the heavier projectiles and greater inefficiency on ranges out to 1000 yards, out to 500 they’re neck and neck, beyond that the PRC begins to edge ahead.
Need a catalog of all the reviews and comparisons on TH-cam somehow. Enjoy you guys.
In the gel test there is a little bit longer thicker more devastating wound cavity for the 7 PRC it looks like to me
There has been a lot of “the latest & greatest” but there is a reason that the the 7 rem mag, 300wm, 30.06 & 270 are still around You can walk into any store and pick up a rifle and or a box of ammo for these guns. Try to find a box of 7 PRC at “Bob’s Bait & Tackle” BFE Idaho!
Good luck!
I disagree with the premise that the 7mm RM will be a relic. The 7 PRC will be the relic along with the 300 PRC. They just don’t really do anything that their older belted predecessors can’t.
If you’re a hunter it’s just really hard to justify buying a rifle chambered for a hot new round that is a marginal improvement over existing cartridges with the glaring downfall of sparse ammo supply.
You really have to think about whether or not you can get ammo if you ho on a hunting trip and forgot your ammo or handloads. That’s one thing that will always be in the back of my mind. I’ve done it before. I’ve driven 4 hours away on a hunting trip and realized I forgot my hunting cartridges. You’re not going to find these fancy PRC cartridges at a bait and tackle shop in a small town in Montana.
As a hand loader who hunts, if I really wanted an improvement in performance I’d go for a 28 nosler period. Both the 7rem and 7prc need to be handloaded, and both need 26in barrels to see their true potential; even then they’re pretty much identical.
The southern Rem Mag is the most accurate cartridge I have ever fired. In the very first Centerfire rifle I ever purchased, a 1979 or 80 model Ruger model 77, I fired a 20 round group into a .049 inch spread. The group had a diameter at the greatest 0.33 in. When you subtract the diameter of the projectile to get Center to Center spread. It's 49ooo ths of an inch.
I do like the idea of the 7 mm PRC but the Rem Mag has an advantage that the PRC does not. It is headspace on the belt of the cartridge that means when you lock it up into battery the projectile is held in the center of the chamber. It's not lying on the bottom of the chamber is not pushed to one side of the chamber with the extractor. None of that crap. The belt forces it to be cantilevered into the center in alignment with the bore.
7 mag is awesome. Always has been. Always will be. Is the 7PRC better? Perhaps marginally, but the 7 Mag is still awesome and hunters could do a lot worse.
This wasn't quite apples to apples. Shoot identical bullets, and weights. Shoot the identical 175gr ELDX. Yes the rem mag won but they still down played it. BC is BC if they are the sane projectile. 7 rem mag is awesome.
PRC does have pros, short case, no belt which us irrelevant to me. But the MAIN reason for the love of the 7 PRC is for the heavy projectiles and the high twist barrels. Its actually more about how the 7prc rifle is built vs the cartridge. IF you put i high twist barrel on a 7 rem mag you could now shoot the same heavy high BC bullets. Boom 7mag wins again.
308 was suppose to make 30-06 obsolete.
Guess whats still sitting on the ammo shelf next to 308...
I'm a die hard .284 caliber fan. I absolutely love my 7rem mag and am working on a 280AI build right now. All that being said, I think that the 7prc will soon over take both cartridges, especially once other manufacturers, like Barnes, Nosler, and Berger get on board. A 168 LRX in a factory load would be phenomenal do all round.
I'm rebarrelling my 7rem mag to 7prc and planning to load up 168gr lrx bullets. Should be a cracker 🤞
@AussieInCA11 I debated doing the same thing with mine. Decided to stick with the 7mag mostly because I have so many components for it. I could probably shoot the barrel out on another 2 or 3 rifles and still have some left! I'll likely add a 7prc in the next year or two though once I finish up other projects. Gotta complete the whole PRC collection
If you're only shooting 168 grain bullets is the faster prc twist rate needed? Or would you just be after more speed?
I've been shooting 162 terminal ascents and my 7 mag loves them.
@@cheatinggravity173 168gr copper are longer, 7 mag doesn't stabilize them very well 1:8 is recommended
@cheatinggravity173 copper bullets are different entirely, to get that heavy they need to be significantly longer and this causes a couple issues. Issue one being that longer bullets don't stabilize the same, think of comparing the 168gr LRX to a 195gr Berger EOL. Same as the 145 LRX would likely compare to a 168 accubond or something similar. The second problem you'll run into is COL. Given that the 7 rem mag case is longer than the 7prc case properly seating those long heavy bullets can become problematic due to magazine length issues both detachable and internal. My current 7rem mag is pretty well maxed out in the 160s because I can't seat any heavier bullets and still use my detachable mag. Sure I could single feed them but that kind of defeates the purpose
I love my 700 7 rem mag it kicks like a mule but it was manufactured in 76 and I bought it new back then, no problems no regrets after all these years.
Never thought I'd see this video with Ryan in it. WOW... given the difficulty to find ammunition outside US these days wont see to many factory ammo guys run the PRC
Looking into a rifle chambered in 7mm, I noticed the PRC tends to have a shorter barrel length than the Rem Mag. Considering the rise in suppressor usage, it could definitely be a factor for people buying new rifles.
I wonder if the fatter case body helps with recoil feel for the 7 PRC. I’ve seen the same observation elsewhere and in this test it was with almost identical rifles. Practically the same energy, but the 7 PRC has the force spread over a wider area and that results in more of a push than a snap. I think that would mean recoil favors the 7 PRC as recoil velocity and felt recoil matter more than just overall energy.
MY REM MAG HAS NEVER LET ME DOWN.
Forget the 280 Ackley. I want a 280 based 7mm Creedmoor !!!
For hunting, that would be great. Competitors like Erik Cortina recently have been using the 7mmPRCW, based on the 6.5 PRC case which gives closer to 280 AI performance, but with higher BC bullets.
That pretty much already exists as the .284 Shehane or .284 Wheeler or even the 7mmPRCW
@@joshjamesguitar but are any of them SAMI approved with the backing of a major ammo company like say Hornady...
Add a 1:8 twist, target throat, and increase the SAAMI spec from noticeably low old 61,000 psi to the more modern 65,000 psi of the 7 PRC and they would be twins in performance. The older .264 Win Mag had a 1:9 twist and a 64,000 psi SAAMI and it was released 4 years earlier. Remington left a lot on the table. I hand load and will soon replace my worn out 7 Rem Mag barrel with a 1:8 twist with a target throat and it should serve me well. And since I have over 1000 rounds of once or twice fired brass It will do fine and I use the shoulder for head spacing, not the belt. The PRC is a better designed case, but I am all set up with grand dad.
You're spot on. Everybody complains about the 7mm Rem Mag belt, but if you headspace from the shoulder that becomes pointless. I'm all for technology, but the gain you gain going from 7mm Rem Mag to PRC, especially within practical hunting ranges of say less than 600 yards.
Finally that 7 remmy love. All you ever need in the 7mm.
Look at the initial internal shock depth of the gel test. The prc has visually a lot more. I think that that shock and damage is what kills
I enjoyed this video.
7 REM mag for hunting!
7 PRC for long range Steel!
7RM with more options and does comparable to the 7PRC. So unless you want or need a 7PRC then 7RM all day 👑. And btw i love all the 284 options. I owned a 7mm08, 7mm RM. And I currently own a 28 nosler.
If your not reloading the 7 rem mag to its fullest potential then it’s not a comparison
It is a good comparison of what both can achieve with factory ammo (and in a factory rifle, which the 7mm mag can require some custom touches to really reach its "A-game" whereas the 7PRC is ready to party out of the box)
If you're a reloader and you plan to shoot bullets on the lighter end of the spectrum regularly (150gr or lighter) then the 7mag would be the better choice, with those lighter bullets it will likely achieve more raw speed.
If you're not a reloader OR you plan to shoot heavy bullets the majority of the time then the PRC is just better and more efficient.
ALL hunting ammunition is expensive and hard to get right now, and I've actually seen all the PRC's on store shelves, whereas old stand-bys like 270, 30-06, and 7mag have been the ones missing from shelves in my area.
Not saying those older cartridges are bad, but a lot of the newer cartridges are real upgrades over them, especially if you care about extending your range at all.
I have a 7mm-08 that I absolutely adore, and for 90% of my hunts it's absolutely plenty of gun, but my next rifle is a PRC that I'm saving for now that Bergara has released the B-14 HMR in 7PRC.
@@Kross8761 my point is there is nothing the 7 mag can’t do. It is the most versatile. 7 PRC will be limited to specific bullets and weight. And let’s not forget majority of hunts in the US is under 300 yards.
@@SpudOutdoors the 7PRC is just as versatile, there's nothing stopping handloader from using lighter bullets, but ammo manufacturers aren't likely to offer those loadings because it's not what the cartridge was made for.
Just like 7mag wasn't made for shooting heavies, it can certainly be done, but those long sleek bullets simply didn't exist when 7mag was made, so any attempt to utilize them has been the equivalent of shaving a square peg to fit a round hole.
It can certainly be done, but you're making concessions in other areas to do it.
7PRC can shoot the lighter bullets just fine, it might not achieve the same blistering velocity of the 7mag, but it won't be far off because the powder column is more efficient, it's shorter and wider meaning complete burn will take less time.
Gone are the days of 31-inch barrels on hunting rifles (my friend's 7mag actually has a 31" barrel that his father had custom made in the 70's for the ultimate velocity) we can get a much more efficient powder burn in shorter barrels and achieve similar or even higher velocities.
All things being equal a long thin powder column will ALWAYS burn slower and need more barrel to achieve the same velocity.
A lot of people that poo poo 7PRC are saying "it doesn't even have the same powder capacity, how can it shoot heavy bullets faster?" And it tells me that they only know enough to compare numbers and say "the bigger one wins"
Cartridge design is VERY technical, if more raw power was the answer every time we would have just necked-down .50BMG to whatever bullet diameter we wanted and called it a day. But other factors: recoil, efficiency, twist-rate, bullet weight, how overbore it is, head height, and MANY other factors have to be balanced to achieve a given goal.
7PRC is an "everything" cartridge. If you want to hunt it certainly carries enough energy to kill any animal alive cleanly with proper shot placement, while at the same time ALSO having superb ballistic efficiency to extend your effective range on target (or game) out to distances that were just a couple decades ago thought to be the realm of near impossibility for the "average" shooter.
It can do things that "stock" 7mag simply can't, and basically everything it can though again, it might not achieve the same raw velocity but it would be damn close.
@@Kross8761 no it’s not. Maybe you should watch gunwerks he says he couldn’t even use a Berger 180
I shoot a 195gn Berger at 2912 which a PRC can not. With the right powder I can hit 3000 which isn’t needed but I can. I get it you love the PRC and you read a marketing phamplet.
I think the biggest advantage is in reloading. Not having that belt will make it easier
That belt is no big deal.
* Don't buy a new PRC if you want better long distance performance. Just rebarrel the Rem. mag. with a faster twist rate, use the newer bullets, and load to the same pressure as the PRC.
Absolutely. When my 7mm Rem Mag barrel shot out a few years ago after about 1100 rounds got a new Kreiger that delivers less than 0.5 MOA with180 gr Bergers at 2910 fps. This seems to me like a big marketing push by Hornady...20 or so years ago it was the RUMs, then the WSMs, next the Creedmoor, and now the PRCs. Now the RUMs/SUM ammo is getting a little harder find.
As someone that just chose between the two. I have firearms on both size sides, but wanted a 7mm for fun, a middle ground, and well..just cause I wanted one. There was no contest in choosing the 7PRC over the 7mm Rem Mag. I have to agree though..if you already have one, there is no reason to go buy a 7PRC, unless you are just wanting a 7mm specifically for long range shooting. I'd go with a tie over all, but over the years the PRC will become the winner. A good challenge.. 6.8 Western v 7MM PRC
If you can’t handload, and you enjoy a limited selection of factory ammunition firing junk bullets, then 7PRC is definitely for you.
My Browning 7mm Rem Mag with 150gr (hard to remember exactly) 1 shot kneeling dropped a deer at 620 yards. No muzzle break so it kicked like a dam mule!!
I’d have to see more apples vs apples for bullets, say a 160 and 175 in both. You also have to take into account that ammo manufacturers are selling ammo for rifles potentially 60 years old in 7 Rem Mag. My $450 (at the time) 20 year old A-Bolt II pushes my 160 gr Accubonds right at 3100 and factory loaded Barnes 139 LRX at 3280. Both of these loads give me 4-1/2” to 6” groups at 600 yards out of a budget rifle. I don’t have any friends who own a 7PRC yet so I haven’t had a chance to play with one. I’m betting that using the same bullets in both and modern powders in the old 7 mag, the two cartridges would be a heck of a lot closer matched.
Guys good job on CT. Would like to see a 264/6.5prc comparison. Maybe a 416 rigby/416 Ruger
Both cartridges are great and both have a place. If you have one then you dont need the other. 7prc vs 6.8 western or 6arc vs 6.5 grendal.
7MM REM MAG for the win, all these new PRC rounds are equivalent to putting a spoiler on your Honda civic. Does it look and sound cool? Yes. Are there any major benefits/upgrades? Not really.
You are in some remote location to hunt and you forgot your ammo. The town only has one outdoor store that may also be a pawnshop. Which one of these do you think they carry?
I actually was considering this past winter early 2023 of getting a 7PRC, a 280 aclay improved, or a seven-rem mag..... So are they opted for was?.... I rebuilt my Thompson center venture 7 mm '08..... I put a new board stock on it but the aluminum trigger guard all the fancy engraving new recoil pad and a Leopold VX5 3 to 15 power by 44.... And your reason why I chose the rebuild my 708 because that is my gun I always go to for hunting deer or black bear in Pennsylvania..... I get sub minute groups with my reloads 140 grain nausea partitions... Which now I'm trying to do loads this coming winter of 2024 with copper bullets...... Because I only shoot a max so 450 yards... So this is what I have to say. You do you and I'll do me and everybody enjoy the outdoors. They're hunting. And y'all have a great day!
and now introducing the king of the 7mm's (drumroll please) ... so please give a resounding welcome to the 7mm Rem Ultra Mag (7RUM)!!!!
Yes 7 mag !! Love it !
I’ll keep my custom 7STW…If I need anything else, I’ll use my custom 7-08… HYPE doesn’t trump real world outcomes, EVER!
Agreed. I'll keep my 7Rum. Most of these new cartridges are bigger versions of a 6.5 creedmoor.
if you want to smoothly and reliably feed from a magazine, go with 7mm Rem mag. the 7 PRC is crap when feeding from many mag systems. its a known issue. I'm currently trying to source a not garbage, polymer mag for a 7 PRC and there is only one polymer option, or a couple of rattle trash metal options. the cartridge is too long and too fat, at the shoulder, to be reliable through most existing systems.
It would have been a better comparison to use the same grain bullets for both. I love my PRC's but my old tried and trued 7mm Rem Mag does virtually everything the 7mm PRC will do.
200 yds or less is a long range shot for 95-99% of us hunters
Where I live your lucky to find a far enough shot that a 30 30 wouldn’t work but if u wish to not track them. 7 REM mag. They never run.
There are fewer bullets options available but so far it seems I don't need options. Every bullet I've tried in my 7 prc has respectable accuracy. I contribute this to the case design and the tighter tolerances between the bullet and where the rifling starts. In the past I have taken a old school cartridge, .270 win, out to find a bullet it liked and it only liked 1 out of the 6 different bullets I tried that day. My point is more options that aren't accurate aren't more options. As others have said, it's not worth getting a new rifle if you have a 7 rem mag, but the 7prc is better.
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How can it possibly be a fair and impartial comparison, with all of the pro 7mm PRC bias that is floating around on screen?
But to sure these, "gentlemen" do > grudgingly < grant the 7mm magnum cartridge it's performances kudos, but they're doing the duty while singing hosannas to the 7 PRC...
Like I said, there is no bias in this performance comparison. Well, maybe a little of bias, but it's only as unnoticeable as an angry charging bull elephant trumpeting it's intentions...
IF younarexa hunter and dont take unethical shots past 500.yards take the 7mm rem mag. It is a true performer and will never let you down. Have owned one for going on 32 years and mine is like my right arm, couldnt live without it. IT like the immortal 30/06 will never fade into obscurity like these new flash in the pans.
Another great video! When are yall doing a 243 vs comparable?
Why you would not test the same bullet weights..... I know they are nearly the same but if we are comparing apples to apples.... +1 for the 7 Rem Mag IMO. All that aside, I loved this video. Keep them coming guys!! 280 AI VS 7 Rem Mag yes do this!!!!
Because they arent the same. The 7PRC allows longer bullets, and the SAMMI twist rate is faster for the 7PRC. The apple to apples is bullet diameter and action length, trying to make the cartridges identical entirely defeats the purpose of the comparison.
Yes make the bullet weights the same, put that heavy bullet in the rem mag so it doesn’t stabilize and show why the prc in a factory rifle wins hands down in performance.