MTV: posts about themselves being racist and Bowie calling them out on it. Proceeds to distance themselves by talking in 3rd person like they aren't MTV 🤔 Subsequently has no description in video to show if any progress was made or accountability taken. 😐🧐
Why is MTV acting like they are the ones who aren't at fault? They're trying to distance themselves from their own past? Shame, that's why no one watches MTV anymore 😬
@@alexross5714 It's perfect and works every time. Actually putting it into practice is the hard part, it's easy to get stressed and confrontational during a disagreement, but Bowie doesn't let that happen
And as a white man that enjoys all music, thank you David Bowie. I wish someone of his status would talk to MTV about playing music videos again. It’s not even music television anymore. It’s quite saddening to be honest
Bowie: You don't play black artists Goodman: That's not true - -We're moving in that direction -Middle America doesn't want it -You have to watch for more then 3 hours and you'll see a black artist The look on Bowie's face says it all.
+OnceUponAPiano Excellent! But can you tell me----just what *does* MTV show now? On my life, I can't figure out what their programming is supposed to be now. The last time I tried to watch anything on MTV my brain almost melted down. And I thought BET could make you stupid...this was worse. A LOT worse...
In today's time? Do they dare? He speaks the truth anyways. Also hypothetically if they still do that, other channels or people will keep and upload this clip for themselves and for Bowie, and question MTV on this very issue (that they probably hadn't changed all these years after all and it's only proven true by the clip's removal).
@@MollyHJohnsof course the would dare especially in todays time. Since they don't want to be seen racist nowadays so them keeping this up is actually surprising
Well the sad part is that in 1983 curly guy opinion wasn't anyhow exceptional so he didn't got him because he says there 100% acceptable things at that time
I love how at the end, the interviewer guy is all like "Makes sense? Valid point?" and all Bowie will give him is, "I understand your point of view" lol.
How times have changed since this interview. Now Mtv only plays reality shows, black rap videos and all things related to the hip hop culture. Mtv stopped playing white artists close to 20 ago years now.
J2K absolutely brilliant And as you see in the so called fake RNB bubblegum productions today you couldn't be more spot on Theirs Been a clear mission ,agenda by record labels Pr promotions and ,marketing teams to white wash previously black art forms to the point where the black people that previously innovated the RNB ,soul, music music ,the blues, funk ,jazz early eighties , boogie jazz funk ,jazz fusion acid jazz, ,disco ,house , garage are invisible .extinct Well spotted. The realist comment of this entire communication replies section It's wicked'beyond measure.
Reppin Seattle 79 it sad to think about it but even something like that most music genres were created by black people and even then most people only associate Black people with hip hop and r&b, very sad
Most genres of music that are popular today ARE because of black artists. Jazz, hip hop, R&B, Rock and Country are all heavily influenced or created by black musicians.
As a child that was raised on Bowie by both of my parents, I can’t listen to him now without crying. His death not only meant the loss of a great artist, but a great human being. The world was truly a better place with him in it💖
@@howardsternisbatman not at that time. He didn't marry Iman until the 90s although he did always date black women. He just was one of the most open and least race conscious people ever. And he always loved to create controversy wherever he could.
One big reason why MTV never really took off in the UK and Europe. They play a lot good music in the 80s and 90s, Cameo, Prince, Michael Jackson, Public Enemy etc. Soul II Soul. So much great music. It’s a joke. MTV a rock channel. A really bad situation. No wonder MTV died. Not enough racists to keep it going. Thank god! TH-cam and online gave people what they wanted. They want black artists music videos - you can get them all now. No matter what, progress will just do what it’s going to do. Now MTV is just 100% irrelevant and has been for decades now. Who’s habe thought 10 years after this video that MTV would have peaked and be struggling, 10 years after that in 2003 they were on life support. Now in 2020, MTV have basically died. Nearly 40 years later, no one I know under 30 goes “I remember MTV,” they are saying “What was MTV?”
Things aren’t so black and white (pun not intended) , the unfortunate reality is that a vast proportion of white people had racist beliefs in those days. MTV, a corporation knew that and toed the line enough to stay in business. the difference today is, the demographics and socioeconomic status of POC have changed, with higher numbers and more spending power. Businesses only care about the bottom line, very few care about social change.
Get off of reddit my friend, stop applying modern day woke propaganda to serious issues of the past. There's a HUGE difference between Bowie roasting MTV for not playing black artists and your dumbass generation asking for reparations.
But so untrue. A black teenager is NOT a part of Amerikkka. He's the most American person in the nation, but the least Amerikkkan. There's TWO, you know. The one built by Foundational Black Americans is AMERICA. The government and all their demonic tools (like TH-cam, who deletes all black people's important posts) are AMERIKKKA! Big difference, and Amerikkka must be destroyed.
And what about David Bowie? He was just another artist back then. He was no bigger than the others. Only now after he’s dead young people like you are overrating him.
@@ruok-l5t If you think that only after his death people started "overrating" him then you're probably very young or ignorant, he has always been an incredibly influential figure in music. His work in the 70s is sublime.
@@ruok-l5t I have no idea what you're talking about but I was saying that a lot of David's characters were quite literally out of this world. He was extreme. So his reasoning for black artists not being shown was bull.
@@ruok-l5t that's not the point he's making- he's saying throughout the 70's Bowie was out of his mind on drugs wearing weird makeup, skin tight unitards etc... Extreme sh*t.. thats why its ironic.
I’m blown away! Not because David Bowie exposed MTV for the racism they employed, But because he actually made the interviewer reveal how they see Black Americans as a whole.
This is why I loved David Bowie. He was not letting up on that host, and rightfully so. David Bowie listened to everything, that's why we f**** with him. What a loss to the music world.
@@ivandankob7112White Americans stole jazz, blues, and rock n roll from black Americans. That's why black American musicians always should have gotten more TV and radio play and get ALL the money and the credit they deserved!
Jesse Ventura sure they’re around but come on. MTV is no where near where they once were. They don’t even play music anymore they are basically just a reality television station. The company could have been at the forefront of the digital revolution as they actually had a head start but they were slow to adapt. They are if not literally, figuratively dead. And Bowie is, though dead, a legend. That’s what OP meant.
@Sultan King Nah, those were lame excuses on Mark Goodman's part. By 1981, there were a number of white shows on tv that had featured black musicians, creatives, intellectuals, actors. Television wasn't completely segregated. Audiences around the country had already been exposed to diverse programming. BET actually was established in RESPONSE to channels like MTV, who chose to exclude black artists from its lineup. It offered black artists a platform when other channels denied them access.
Bowie didn’t make him look racist, the interviewer did that to himself. Bowie just posed the important questions and got shown in reply the horrible disgusting truths of the industry.
For the younger folks out there who didn't grow up in the 70s or 80s... NOBODY was talking about these issues in 1983 on tv. Not so openly, intelligently and assertively. Bowie was always ahead of his time.
Well that's not really true. Sam Cooke was talking about issues like thus in the early 60s. It's just that it usually came from black artists so people just saw it as a community fighting their rights. Speaks way more volume when a white guy does it. That's called using your platform to combat prejudice. Make people understand that this isn't a black problem. It's an us problem as a whole
Can you STOP bringing us in conversations all the damn time?! We didn't live back then, so what? We can't control the year we are born, by 83. Racism/slavery was illegal, MTV just didn't play black artists until MJ's iconic "Billie Jean" came after one of his managers force MTV to play it.
@@ghoullazarus2835 Yeah his friend punched him in the eye when he was younger which made one of his eyes permanently dilated. He wasn’t born with heterochroma.
The incredibly slow zoom on Bowie as his demeanor becomes subtly more scathing, followed by a chaotic fast zoom in when his incredulity fully manifests, is just top tier performance art from the camera man. It's like a Scorsese film
@Paul Wember I think it's because the rich people will have the immigrants be more likely to be gave a house in smaller towns, where an influx of people is much more noticeable
Bowie,a British white male, exposed the hypocrisy of stereotyping in america. This is the same man who reminded the world of the mistreatment of Aborigines in australia with his let's dance video.
@@BLTKellys Was Bowie admiring Hitler or was he commenting on the cult of personality? Bowie once commented along the lines, when introduced to the Internet, that it would cause a commotion because it would create new realities, new ideas that would disturb people. One reality being a leader can't be positive influence to some,yet negative to others such as Trump, Obama, Clinton, Carter,Judas, Lucifer or your God's name here.
@@derekbrooks9812 he was admiring him. Bowie later said he was on drugs and into occult mysticism at the time of saying it, which isn’t really an adequate excuse IMO. Obviously he evolved later.
@@ectoplasmicfeedback1480 There are undeniable disparities between white and black people in our society that simply could never be solved by just pretending they are the same historically and socially and that there are no social or economic differences between the two. Just as the sun isn't destroyed by blocking it with a piece of cloth, sistemic racism is not solved by ignoring the differences between white and black people (and I mean this socially. It's important to emphasize that there are no genetic differences between races significant enough to make one even slightly better or worse than the other. Fuck eugenics)
The smile was genuine. The guy from MTV had just openly admitted what Bowie could only allude to. And good on the guy from MTV for a fairly frank, even if inadvertent, confession. A great example of how to address the elephant in the room.
When David Bowie said “I’ll tell you what Marvin Gaye means to a BLACK 17 year old” it blew my minddddd the interviewer really said a 17 year old to mean a white person and David was not having it!!!!! So ahead of his time!!!!
Ahead of his time? I have never even heard of anyone today that can dance around his opponent's words as gracefully as Bowie did. He didn't even raise his voice at all. He got everything he wanted out of the interviewer with the subtlest questions.
David wasn’t afraid to be “THAT” person before it was the popular thing to do The unpopular person The unconventional person The humans-first person ✊🏽
@Logan Waltz well compared to the clowns that still fall in line, I'm still giving Bowie props. I see ur point but he was still doing it before it was cool.
That's how you expose racism, you pose a rational question and then let them dig their own hole. Love Bowie even more after seeing this. What a beautiful soul he had.
THEN what happened in the wake of this interview? - Michael "King of Pop" Jackson became the biggest most over-played over hyped overrated and media-hogginest star in the world and gawd-awful rap / hip hop overtook MTV. Wonder if Mr Bowie ever remembered this interview and thought "Foot in me bloomin mouth!!"?
Actually, no there were NOT allot of BLACK musical acts making VIDEOS during the EARLY 80's, when THIS interview took place. WHO WERE the popular black musical acts at THAT TIME again anyway? .. . Cool And The Gang? The Pointer Sisters? Earth Wind And Fire? . . and all these funk and disco groups left over from the late 70's? I remember when MTV FIRST came out, in 1981 I believe, they were mainly playing groups like Blondie, Devo, B 52's, Talking Heads, The Police, Tom Petty And The Heart Breakers, The Go Go's, The Buggles and all those post-punk / New Wave groups which were mostly WHITE and THEY were the groups that were making most of the VIDEOS at that time. It wasn't until after Michael "King of Pop" Jackson became a big sensation ( about 1984 ) that they started playing more BLACK r&b and funk acts.
@@rstidman The girl who said she was Jimmy Page's girlfriend at age 14 thru 17, also said she lost her virginity to David Bowie, also at age 14. The Jimmy Page story seems more credible. Her account with Bowie has contradictions and timeline issues.
@@xafbxmoto269 Yes. The short response is, "Gender is not biological sex." But I doubt that convinced you, so if you have the patience for a short essay read on. Gender is what we think a stereotypical man or woman is. It is a loose collection of arbitrary attributes we decided makes someone male or female. As a thought experiment, try to list off the traits someone must have to belong to the male gender. Remember, saying "XY chromosomes" or mentioning sexually dimorphic anatomy is a erroneous conflation of the scientific topic of biological sex and the social topic of gender. These two things are separate discussions entirely, which solves the one of the most common misconceptions touted by gender binary stalwarts. With that prerequisite info out of the way, I assume you have a list of things that aren't related to genitalia or body hair right. (If I'm wrong in that assumption see explanation above for why those things are separate from gender.) What did you come up with? Is it: big dogs, cars, guns, steaks, leather jackets, fighting, football, explosions, construction, action movies, whiskey, cigars, or tattoos? (This list came from some silly article about manliness, lol.) If your list is anything like that then let me ask you something. If a man didn't do the things on your list and instead liked make up and modeling, is he not still a male? You wouldn't say he is female, would you? I am assuming you would not think of him as being of the female gender but instead maybe just feminine. So now we arrive at the next dilemma. Gender stereotypes are not accurate predictors of gender itself. Back in the day people used to refer to men who were well groomed, maybe used a little makeup, and wore designer clothes, as "metrosexual". I think this term has died out now, but those types of men have not. I remember some people saying they were "in touch with their feminine side" funnily enough. The point of this is to say that masculinity exists on a spectrum and if that is true, femininity must as well. But what if you can't quite place someone as masculine or feminine? What if they are somewhere in the middle of masculinity and femininity? We have taken to calling this androgyny for a long time now. They are somewhere between male and female, yet not quite one or the other. There are those felt that the in between state was part of their identity, the same way someone feels like a man or a woman. And if it is possible to occupy a gender that is neither male nor female but a third state in between, then what holds the rest of the system together. From there people who felt as though they weren't quite a man but not a woman either started to express and give name to the expression of their identity. Now I hope you understand a bit more about nonbinary gender identities. Don't get caught up in the 72 gender lines that trolls love to bring up, cause I'll give you my hypothesis on why there seem to be so many. It may be controversial but I honestly think it's evidenced by everything I have described thus far. That opinion being, gender isn't a spectrum. Gender is just a vestigial descriptor that we are trying to use is a society that doesn't need it anymore. Due to the fact that gender is an outdated meaningless collection of stereotypes. People who don't fit in the boxes make their own boxes to be in, when in fact, they never needed boxes in the first place. I can be confident in who I am without the need to be labeled a man. Idk if the world will arrive at that point in my life time though so w/e. It's just a thought. Either way, I hope you're actually interested in challenging your preconceptions and have at least a little drive to do so now. Modern society is rejecting these needlessly harmful and restrictive traditions. People naturally resist change and take it out on one another maliciously. Sometimes people can be straight up cruel, but I don't believe in unfounded malevolence. I (maybe naively) believe everyone is one paradigm shift away from a more peaceful mentality. Recognizing non-binary people is respectful and harms no one. Invalidating their gender identity psychology harms a lot of fellow, breathing, feeling humans and benefits no one. It's an easy choice for me.
@@Awesomeficationify What you're claiming is ridiculous. The whole gender stereotypes is because of certain expectations that have made society thrive for thousands of years. Why do women get the stereotype of wanting to be a mother and caregiver? Because the men aren't giving birth and are the ones to do their part by ensuring safety and being strong for the family. That's like saying since I don't like football, that makes me less of a man. No, it just means I personally don't care for it. It has nothing to do with any spectrum. And who cares if you don't fit a stereotype. Are you really that concerned about what I or anyone else has to say about it? So if you don't like even 1 of the "restrictions" based on yourself, that doesn't make you any less of a man or woman.
@@Dani92670 I don't think it's scripted, but I do think they knew what questions Bowie would be asking, and prepared answers that they deemed diplomatic. But I don't think they liked Bowie asking those questions.
@@Labroidas They probably had a set of questions and thought they would have just a nice little interview with a successful artist. But Bowie is on a completely different level, which was something they probably weren't prepared for.
@@Dani92670 Ya know, I just scoured the internet for anything saying that it's scripted. I found nothing that says it was from the well known sources. Quite the contrary. And I'm 34. But my brothers and sisters are 10+ years older than me.
Dal yeah, she revelead it after he was dead...a very convenient time imo. I’m not saying she’s lying but that’s weird, I mean they’ve been married for 10 years and he was the one who asked for a divorce
@@Dallas867 Woman beating is not a gift nor a damnation. The guys that are violent and misogenous gotta have their pay but in some situations in life some girls need some kind of hit. Smart asses like Depp's chick u know
Prince was from the Midwest! (Minnesota) I can't imagine how proud Bowie's daughter Lexi (she's half Black) was when she first saw this. As a Black woman myself, I respected Bowie for this.
It's also theirs because the vast majority of their audience was white and likely thought along the same lines as that white kid, especially in the early 80s when very few black neighborhoods had access to cable. It might have been fucked to shaft black artists but MTV is a corporation that is solely motivated by profit which means you can't realistically expect them to act ethically when there aren't clear monetary incentives for them to do so.
@@Bestbeachesincalifornia was going to say the same thing! I'm British but I live in Spain, and more than once I've had people say that British people are too apologetic and it comes across as weak or spineless. And I'm like.... "Oooh. You heard a British person say 'sorry' and you thought they meant that they were sorry. That could have meant a million different things from 'what the fuck did you just say', to 'why are you still in my way' to 'thats the stupidest shit anyone has ever said to me ever'. If that's what 'sorry' can mean, just imagine what we mean when we say 'thats very interesting'.
Never forget: “In April 1951, 650 British fighting men - soldiers and officers from the 1st Battalion, the Gloucestershire Regiment - were deployed on the most important crossing on the Imjin River to block the traditional invasion route to Seoul. The Chinese had sent an entire division - 10,000 men - against the isolated Glosters in a major offensive to take the whole Korean peninsula, and the small force was gradually surrounded and overwhelmed. After two days' fighting, an American, Major General Robert H. Soule, asked the British brigadier, Thomas Brodie: "How are the Glosters doing?" The brigadier, with English understatement, replied: "A bit sticky, things are pretty sticky down there." To American ears, this did not sound desperate, and so he ordered them to stand fast. The surviving Glosters were rescued by a column of tanks; they escaped under fire, sitting on the decks of the tanks.”
Hey why did my comment get deleted? Are you seriously that offended that someone you don't know doesn't like someone else you don't know? :D "Snowflake snowflake snooooowflakess!". Hey was that a Prince song?
I love the close up at the end of Bowie's expression. Thats the way to argue with decency. No temper,no rage,lots of diplomacy. Very evident the interviewer was waffling a bit with his reasons. Thanks MTV for uploading this. Dialogue is key to change.
@@archie6962 Guy was a snowflake. If I had written a letter every time I hated a music video on Tv in the 90s & 00s, I'd still be writing. As if these folks had never heard of changing the channel.
Seriously, if he can go through the effort of writing and sending a letter, then I'm sure he can manage to just turn off MTV with even less effort exerted.
@@ianfindly3257 Go made music video better than his, like you're the one who sing, dance with your overblown ass... then I'll see how much you can sell with it, the impact of your video to music 🤣🤣🤣 eh I believe zero. Bye!! 😂😂😂
Rii Kean, Groaaannnnnnn!! . . Boy, look here, I don't care to get into some stupid RACE COMPETITION like you seem to want ( " Black artists kick their asses" ), so I'm not going to take THAT bait, thanks but no thanks. Suffice it to say, I just didn't like Jackson's Thriller. I've always found it bloated, silly and cheesy as hell - especially with age over time, and think it destroyed the music video art form early on. The only thing that made it "ground breaking" or "revolutionary" was it's BUDGET and PRODUCTION scope. No music video made before it had that much money put into it - but every one that followed in it's wake had to cost a bazillion dollars. And that "opened the gates for black" doesn't mean anything to me, sorry.
where is the last 1min 30secs of this? where Bowie says 'lets be honest, somebody laid down the ground rules at the beginning' and Goodman says 'is the tape off'
It’s amazing how Bowie can be so calm and composed in his words while radiating disposition and disgust to this interview. It goes to show how much he cares about diversity in the world.
I agree...I think he had a gift to see beyond many things and truly able to see the souls and intentions of humans in general. It must be frustrating when you regard all humans as deserving respect and recognition as common sense but then see there's so much push back.
Bowie handled that extremely politely. He did try to pry for a straight answer but realized he will only get excuses. You can see he's very frustrated with MTV's / the rep's spinelessness but still ended it with "Interesting, okay, thank you very much". The other person even thought they got off the hook because of Bowie's calm demeanor. I like this way of conversing with another person who has an opposing view. At the end both knew what's up but people weren't attacked.
@@coolbreeze5683 emmm bowie has his dirty stuff to, i am a person that can see beyond bad people too, Manu of his rock stars friend were nasty asholes, so why he never look beyond them?? Hipocresy
hip hop would not exist without black people, disco would not exist without black people, soul would not exist without black people, jazz would not exist without black people, they are too many black parents of music that we should not ignore
Though I credit the blues influincials for Rock & Roll, either way the creative artists would have found a sound .pleasing and most beautiful to the soul either way regardless♠️
Amazing. He's not virtue signaling. He's not selfishly gathering support by appealing to a already public issue. He noticed a problem, and is genuinely asking a question about it. He has an authenticity to his character most people lack these days.
Exactly! Either you can be like David and eloquently and logically explain your grievances in a way that leaves your opponent no way to defend himself/herself. Or, you can be like the modern day BLM movements and cancel everything and preach against discrimination and hatred all while going out into the streets and looting the stores of innocent shop owners that had nothing to do with the issue in the first place, destroying your credibility in the process by acting so hypocritically.
😂if he did this today you'd call him an sjw woke mob virtue signal libtard. To your ilk, rights in the past are romantic, rights in the present are a scourge
the way that Bowie held his gaze with the man after asking his questions and never once faltered when calling MTV out for not promoting black artists. he sat down in that chair with a mission dude. also love how he said "well i can tell you what The Isley Brothers or Marvin Gaye means to a BLACK 17 year old". and the other man just kept digging himself deeper and deeper but Bowie stood his ground and spoke facts. also love that last statement "i understand your point of view" like Bowie had had enough of that man lmao
When you're serious about something you want to see how the other person receives it. If you're afraid of seeing that reception you might break eye contact, but then you wouldn't really be serious.
Do you know who Bowie's most influential producer was, not to mention one of the most influential songwriters in the last 50 years, who helped many artists gain fame on MTV and still does to this day? You will understand why Mr. Bowie called out the network. Hint: Nile Rodgers. Before you ask, MTV has never made a singular bio regarding this famous artist.
He outright destroyed that interviewer. He never raised his voice, he never yelled at the guy, he just methodically demolished the guy and the channel in the span of 4 minutes without breaking a sweat. "I understand your point of view" that was the final blow
MTV was a rock to metal bands station in it's early days. you don't know that. you think it's racism cause your stupid. if you were smart you would know how mtv used to program for two years in advance. but that would take away your virtue signalling glow. notice how good the videos got around 83/84.
@@bobbeckey6941 Ageing Gen-Xer here. If you think that that network's videos were good "around 83/84," I've got some hairspray to sell you. :D :D And trying to make the "logical argument" that programming lily-white pop music "two years in advance"* counts as an excuse for bigoted narrow-mindedness is like trying to say that PLANNING wars and biological warfare makes it all perfectly benign. (But then--- you think typing "your stupid" makes you look smart. :D :D :D) *Does that mean the MTV programmers had psychic knowledge that, say, Huey Lewis would go over? :D
@@argentokaos2629 Yes your racism has won me over? You had me at "lily white" honestly your so stupid. why would I waste any time over you. you shit bag.
@@mademioselle7729 I mean, American Country has strong roots in Traditional Irish music. I'm not discounting the influence of black artists, but it's not like we need to pick and choose which influences matter.
This is the 80s and you have no idea how many black artists were growing super popular...Michael bloody Jackson was on the rise so you can imagine how racist and wrong mtv looked not playing black artists.
@Mike Barooshian Mate, you don't know what you're bloody talking about. What's your point? There's nothing wrong with one genre being inspired by another. It's not taking anything away from the original creators and music is universal. Anybody can make it. So how about you sod off with your pathetic little rant.
@@panxoaltair1 they played beat it and billie jeanprior to that but with thriller they ere hesitant because the album had been out for a year by that point but Thriller actually ended up changing the game for music video
Black music and black culture has had a huge influence on America’s culture. It is not a Minority subculture, it is very main stream, pure racism from MTV.
Such a classy gentleman. He's clearly disgusted with the responses from Mark Goodman, but it's unflaggingly polite, even at the end, when he refuses to validate Goodman's point. And here he is, DAVID BOWIE, at the height of his fame and popularity, putting this issue forth, which doesn't have anything to do with his music. Kudos to him for bringing up issues that were important to him and forcing them to be dealt with publicly. Respect...
+MiaSqueaky Well, actually, the issue does have a lot to do with his music, considering Little Richard was a big influence, and his Young Americans album was based on Philly soul music, etc.
I don't believe so. He spoke with tact and grace. The "woke" population tends to speak with arrogance, as if to say "Look at me and my beliefs". If they learned to speak with this type of class, they could be as well-respected as Bowie is.
@@albertlight3797 do you know what "WOKE" actually means? Not what a republican TELLS you it means or using that word to push a racist agenda. Cause "Woke" was created to essentially say you should look out for other people's feelings and experiences that isn't white men's , but it's become " I don't like it cause it APPEARS PROGRESSIVE, so it's a threat, so let's say it's "woke" ...and who says it? Usually White men. Just an Observation
David Bowie is staring into this man's soul and knows the exact bullshit coming out his mouth. It's like when know someone's lying but you let them try explain themselves.
Bob Popular just turn on the tap and flood us with scary looking black people? I’ll give you the exact same answer Bowie gave to the man who was only thinking about money - “I understand you” ... (“but it doesn’t make moral sense”).
Bob Popular again, I understand your point of view... but I refuse to be so naive and think that white kids in Midwest America had a complete different taste in music than their counterparts in NYC because that’s the way they were born; I think their parents and friends told them which music is good for them and the whiter it is, the better. I lived 3 years in America and that’s only my impression. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Bob Popular I’m British... so I live in England. I’ve lived in NYC for three years. It was (almost) as multicultural as London and very liberal. I’ve done coast to coast for 3 months and people were different and nice to me everywhere but most of them have never left their village or maybe their county. Anyway, music is so universal and brings people together that it doesn’t matter where you’re from.
@@sycoanalyst BS. I was a teenager back then and remember when MTV debuted. Most of the consumers of Rap were white kids. And why would anyone be scared of Prince or MJ? David wasn't buying what MTV and Mark or Marc were selling. Record labels with huge white artists on their roster; had to be threaten to pull those white artists videos if they didn't put their black artists into the rotation.
@@sycoanalyst There was rap: Rappers Delight hit the top 40 in 1979. Black music that was censored by MTV includes R&B and dance music- which is hardly scary. The anti-disco phase could be seen as anti-black. Goodman was right in that all the top 40 stations were doing the same racist thing. And who the hell is scared of Prince? I was a teenager in 83 in Kentucky and all us white girls loved him. Still do. But I take issue most with you saying "Unlike today, there was actually a very wide spectrum for choice." Wrong wrong. Spotify, TH-cam, and other streaming music services will let you explore any music your heart desires. That's how Lil Nas X got a number 1 country song. It's how Spanish Despicito became a number 1. You need to explore more.
"Its pure economics. The margin left for racism" Talking about people being turned off by, specifically, "black faces," as opposed to white faces presenting very similar music, as this veejay did (at least he was honest), is talking about racism.
And really MTV stood for music television and did not just play rock music in the early days. They played music by most white artists (Police, P. Gabriel, Madonna).
THEN what happened in the wake of this interview? - Michael "King of Pop" Jackson became the biggest most over hyped and overrated and media-hogginest star in the world and gawd-awful rap / hip hop overtook MTV. Wonder if Mr Bowie ever remembered this interview and thought "Foot in me bloomin mouth!!"?
Cole Slaw oh my god Cole, we get it! You don't like Michael Jackson! I guess we should have just never let black people be singers, right? Go cry somewhere else!
@@coleslaw9181 Lol bowie in a 93 intereview said the real artists are in rap who are expressing themselves, and that those who made white rock were now in the establishment.
@Ping Bong I don't fully get what you mean. He made a lot of money, but that's because he made music people wanted to hear (it's not like a business owner who profits from the labour of workers). (If that's not the point you're making, I apologise).
saying Prince is to extreme for people to understand to a man who made his name as a Asexual Transgender space alien named Ziggy Stardust is hilarious.
David's intelligence spot on. He becomes the interviewer. He doesn't agree, and ends with, "I understand your point of view" - meaning I see your racism. His use of " interesting" tells you how David felt about Mark Goodman's remarks.
As an Englishman I can confirm that when we say "Interesting" like that it generally means that we think you are either an asshole or an idiot, normally idiot but he might have meant both.
I can’t believe this happened in my lifetime. I remember watching MTV back in the day and only seeing black artists on in the night time with Yo MTV raps. I remember thinking it was because the videos were explicit but looking back most of them weren’t. Funny how you can get used to something to the point where you don’t even question it especially as a kid. So grateful for people like David Bowie for speaking up but even HE was given a bunch of BS as to why it should stay that way😫😅
Your memory must be bad. I saw black artist all the time on MTV, especially in 88. I even saw them in 1981. In fact, I saw black musicians in MTV's first 100 videos. I remember it like it was yesterday. Signed a black man.
"Some town in the Midwest would be scared to death by Prince" will always be the quote that sticks with me. Like that's already a bad excuse, but the fact that the one and only black artist this dude named was Prince, who is literally from Minnesota, makes it stupidly funny.
@@Dagger_323 no exactly the opposite, is how I read it. He understands the point of view. But he doesn't believe it makes sense. It's like (for a random example) I can understand why some people are Creationists. But it certainly doesn't make sense to me.
That interviewer was literally saying 'our audience are racist and we want to keep our audience, so guess it's not our responsibility'... In 1983 as well. Good on Bowie for calling it out though.
@@nobody48803 if you're only making your business functional through pandering to the racist tendencies of part of your audience, rather than actually playing cutting-edge music, then you probably shouldn't exist as a nationwide music broadcaster in the first place. Black music was at the frontier of innovation in the 80s and refusing to play it means you're probably not doing your job very well.
This is the right way to be critical Understand the perspective of the opposite, point out why you think they're wrong and not throw irrelevant names at them.The world needs you now more than ever David
I think it’s a very clever way of exposing some very shitty thinking. He’s giving the guy enough rope, knowing that he’ll eventually hang himself with it. Far more effective than shutting people down or taking away their platform, it instead puts bad ideas in the spotlight and showing them for what they are, rather than letting them fester away at the fringes. Louis Theroux also does this well, I wonder if he learned it from Bowie?
@@josh18230 sure, but this was English-level sarcasm in America. The degree of hostility Bowie is showing looks a lot higher to an '80s British or '20s American viewer than to an '80s American viewer.
but that doesn't make as much money, unfortunately. As a company, their number one concern is to make as much money as possible. It's just a sad reality.
@@jacobwheeler1348 I think someone who doesn't understand the difference between a person saying "someone is doing something" and saying "someone should be doing something" ought not to be calling anyone a moron.
He asked earlier if he could 'ask some punishing questions a bit later', which they prompted him to ask later. It was very good of him to bring it up though.
Bowie's body language during this portion of the interview is making it extremely obvious that he's paying attention to every potential word/landmine this interviewer is navigating. It's intense to watch.
Yep that's so true. Claiming you're anti racist (as most people nowadays do) is one thing, standing up and exposing inequality is another. Unfortunately today, most people say they are tolerant and anti racist but when push comes to shove all that most people ever care about is saving themselves and their beliefs.
David Bowie's 50th Birthday (1997) ft. Foo Fighters, Billy Corgan & Lou Reed: th-cam.com/video/Tsn-9kkuSAg/w-d-xo.html
MTV: posts about themselves being racist and Bowie calling them out on it. Proceeds to distance themselves by talking in 3rd person like they aren't MTV 🤔
Subsequently has no description in video to show if any progress was made or accountability taken.
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@@fallin2high yes thats what companies do
all these artists are white
Why is MTV acting like they are the ones who aren't at fault? They're trying to distance themselves from their own past? Shame, that's why no one watches MTV anymore 😬
Mtv is ruined now because of blacks
Bowie asked all the right questions to expose the interviewer. He did it so gracefully too.. What a legend
Didn’t expect you here 🤣. Sup
Daddy 😍
BigBangFan69 - omg noo
stoopid. kali yes 😈
Good artist but far . from being a legend
David Bowie: I'll be Conducting the Interview now.
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*interrogation
pretty much rofl.
I was the 1000th like, not tryna flex or anything ....
🤣
David Bowie here showing how you can intellectually disassemble someone's argument by merely allowing them to talk...
Through socratic questioning.
@@alexross5714 It's perfect and works every time. Actually putting it into practice is the hard part, it's easy to get stressed and confrontational during a disagreement, but Bowie doesn't let that happen
100%. Goodman made himself look bad simply by existing here.
Exactly! He said _all_ the *wrong* things. 😂😂 Or all the *_right_* things, because he said exactly what Bowie was trying to expose. 👀 😂😂
"I understand your point of view" was such a cool way to say, "you're a narrow-minded idiot" lol
As a black man: Thank You,David.
You changed that format w/Michael Jackson on MTV. Rest In Peace.
Also Prince.
Remember, Michael Jackson went through a "transformation" to become a "mainstream" artist.
And as a white man that enjoys all music, thank you David Bowie. I wish someone of his status would talk to MTV about playing music videos again. It’s not even music television anymore. It’s quite saddening to be honest
Stop lying Michael Jackson did that before transformation, he already had fame with thriller album, off the wall and bad album he was not white
@@humanforotherhumanswhat are you yapping about
Bowie: You don't play black artists
Goodman: That's not true -
-We're moving in that direction
-Middle America doesn't want it
-You have to watch for more then 3 hours and you'll see a black artist
The look on Bowie's face says it all.
@Liam Berg (STUDENT)
0:00 - 4:34
I thought he was gonna bitch slap him.
This about sums it up pretty well
His face says “are you listening to this bs?” He’s so polite with it too
he looked so done and i live him for it
MTV: we used to be shitty and racist and disproportionately not show black musicians. We fixed this by no longer showing any musicians at all.
Lmaoo
+OnceUponAPiano Excellent! But can you tell me----just what *does* MTV show now? On my life, I can't figure out what their programming is supposed to be now. The last time I tried to watch anything on MTV my brain almost melted down. And I thought BET could make you stupid...this was worse. A LOT worse...
+Tony Jones I haven't watched MTV since TRL was last on...there was actually a top 10 music video countdown. I don't know what they show now XD
This comment 🙌🏻
thank you you nailed it
i love how bowie becomes the interviewer
right
me 2
Michael Purdie Abbott yea tru
700th like buddy
Animals is there best album. :)
Respect to MTV for not burying this. History is fascinating.
In today's time? Do they dare? He speaks the truth anyways. Also hypothetically if they still do that, other channels or people will keep and upload this clip for themselves and for Bowie, and question MTV on this very issue (that they probably hadn't changed all these years after all and it's only proven true by the clip's removal).
@@MollyHJohnsof course the would dare especially in todays time.
Since they don't want to be seen racist nowadays so them keeping this up is actually surprising
How do we know they don’t think there’s nothing wrong with the answers given? 🤷♂️
Yep and respect to master for allowing mammy to help raise his children 😂
The meaning, "@@Sensiking19"?
David Bowie was a real one.
Definitely I know of his career. I think it's long overdue for me to do crate digging for this guy
Real talk!
+Jordan Bell- Yes. Yes it is
+H Hebert he hadn't even met his wife back then... he's just as clever as hell
+ThatOneGuyCpr does mtv play music anymore ?
Bowie was disgusted but kept himself dignified the whole time. Acted like the bigger man but clearly not having his shit
The interviewers response to him at 1:31 told it all.
We didn't deserve Bowie
Midd Knight... yep, very telling.
He loved Kanye
He then went out and slept with more children after the video.
Bowie's looking at him like "I got you. Why are you still trying to come up with excuses?"
Yes. Well said observation.
Yup
its show biz, they allways make excuses for being wrong
I would love to see Mark Goodman's face 30 years later when he watch that interview 😗
Well the sad part is that in 1983 curly guy opinion wasn't anyhow exceptional so he didn't got him because he says there 100% acceptable things at that time
Duuuuude that straight up GLARE that Bowie gives him while he's giving his b.s. answer... friggin gold.
Absolutely.
That is the most hilarious part....when they zoom in on Bowie. 😂😂
@@FuShengAlexForreal😂😂😂
I love how at the end, the interviewer guy is all like "Makes sense? Valid point?" and all Bowie will give him is, "I understand your point of view" lol.
"I can tell you what Marvin Gaye or the Isley Brothers means to a black 17-year-old, and surely he is a part of America as well." What a legend.
Flawless victory. The VJs argument was dead in the water.
How times have changed since this interview. Now Mtv only plays reality shows, black rap videos and all things related to the hip hop culture. Mtv stopped playing white artists close to 20 ago years now.
@@joedimaggio6261 then don't watch it ya racist shitbag
Nic I'm only making an honest observation. How am I wrong with what I said? I bet you call everyone a racist.
I agree with what Bowie is saying here but now the pendulum has gone in the complete opposite direction
Now MTV doesn't play music videos at all, just bad reality shows and adverts
Yeah mtv shouldn't be called mtv anymore. More like RTV. Reality-Television.
+Prometheus Antares A bitter-sounding guy in his 30/40s whining about "PC liberal reality tv crap".......interesting.
+SyTunes shots fired
Because we can just go to TH-cam.
They follow the money
The fact that he said white artist are starting to play black music so we don’t need black artist is very telling
J2K absolutely brilliant
And as you see in the so called fake RNB bubblegum productions today you couldn't be more spot on
Theirs Been a clear mission ,agenda by record labels Pr promotions and ,marketing teams to white wash previously black art forms to the point where the black people that previously innovated the RNB ,soul, music music ,the blues, funk ,jazz early eighties , boogie jazz funk ,jazz fusion acid jazz, ,disco ,house , garage are invisible .extinct
Well spotted.
The realist comment of this entire communication replies section
It's wicked'beyond measure.
Yeah like yikes
And yet, many people still believe it so unlikely that hip-hop might be all white one day.
Reppin Seattle 79 it sad to think about it but even something like that most music genres were created by black people and even then most people only associate Black people with hip hop and r&b, very sad
Most genres of music that are popular today ARE because of black artists. Jazz, hip hop, R&B, Rock and Country are all heavily influenced or created by black musicians.
As a child that was raised on Bowie by both of my parents, I can’t listen to him now without crying. His death not only meant the loss of a great artist, but a great human being. The world was truly a better place with him in it💖
The death of a great human being!! That’s what happeed
The world is truly a better place BECAUSE he was in it.
@@KazilikayaI feel extremely blessed to witness the legacy he left behind
This interviewer is falling apart. He’s terrible. Just shows how ahead Bowie was.
Or just how behind America was.
Plus he wasn’t ready-didn’t see Bowie’s question coming at all.
Or just how potent a racially charged narrative is.
Maybe Bowie was talking shit about coincidence and the warmer was changing?
Also remember Bowie was married to a Black woman.
@@howardsternisbatman
not at that time. He didn't marry Iman until the 90s although he did always date black women. He just was one of the most open and least race conscious people ever. And he always loved to create controversy wherever he could.
The camera movement to Bowie’s face felt like a modern meme
A little like a bit from The Office lol
Imbra Kim you read my mind lol that was totally a Jim moment
(Edit) right after Michael makes an inappropriate joke.
@@Kayd2111 that's what she said
Charles Walker that’s the one lmao 😂
I think the cameraman is on Bowie's side with this one.
He’s not buying any of the shit they sellin
And that's what makes me love him all the more.
😂 as he shouldn't cuz it's all a sack of lies
I just love that David Bowie glare
One big reason why MTV never really took off in the UK and Europe. They play a lot good music in the 80s and 90s, Cameo, Prince, Michael Jackson, Public Enemy etc. Soul II Soul. So much great music.
It’s a joke. MTV a rock channel. A really bad situation. No wonder MTV died. Not enough racists to keep it going. Thank god!
TH-cam and online gave people what they wanted. They want black artists music videos - you can get them all now.
No matter what, progress will just do what it’s going to do. Now MTV is just 100% irrelevant and has been for decades now. Who’s habe thought 10 years after this video that MTV would have peaked and be struggling, 10 years after that in 2003 they were on life support. Now in 2020, MTV have basically died. Nearly 40 years later, no one I know under 30 goes “I remember MTV,” they are saying “What was MTV?”
@@nicholasdickens2801 What's MTV?
The man sat there and said, "We pander to racists", without actually saying those words.
Respect to David Bowie for calling that nonsense out.
Things aren’t so black and white (pun not intended) , the unfortunate reality is that a vast proportion of white people had racist beliefs in those days. MTV, a corporation knew that and toed the line enough to stay in business. the difference today is, the demographics and socioeconomic status of POC have changed, with higher numbers and more spending power. Businesses only care about the bottom line, very few care about social change.
I like the way he said “isn’t that interesting”
Delusional and disingenuous to get a point across, very current year of you
it's so crazy how they could openly just admit that on tv back then
Get off of reddit my friend, stop applying modern day woke propaganda to serious issues of the past. There's a HUGE difference between Bowie roasting MTV for not playing black artists and your dumbass generation asking for reparations.
“I can tell you what it means to a black teenager. And surely he’s part of America, too.” So well said
That part was beautiful ❤
But so untrue. A black teenager is NOT a part of Amerikkka. He's the most American person in the nation, but the least Amerikkkan. There's TWO, you know. The one built by Foundational Black Americans is AMERICA. The government and all their demonic tools (like TH-cam, who deletes all black people's important posts) are AMERIKKKA! Big difference, and Amerikkka must be destroyed.
Narcissists forget they share the world with others
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That part always get me. So powerful. Shut him up with that one.
Its so weird that he's saying black artists were too extreme whilst literally talking to DAVID BOWIE 💀
And what about David Bowie? He was just another artist back then. He was no bigger than the others. Only now after he’s dead young people like you are overrating him.
Shut up, Bieber
@@ruok-l5t If you think that only after his death people started "overrating" him then you're probably very young or ignorant, he has always been an incredibly influential figure in music. His work in the 70s is sublime.
@@ruok-l5t I have no idea what you're talking about but I was saying that a lot of David's characters were quite literally out of this world. He was extreme. So his reasoning for black artists not being shown was bull.
@@ruok-l5t that's not the point he's making- he's saying throughout the 70's Bowie was out of his mind on drugs wearing weird makeup, skin tight unitards etc... Extreme sh*t.. thats why its ironic.
I’m blown away! Not because David Bowie exposed MTV for the racism they employed, But because he actually made the interviewer reveal how they see Black Americans as a whole.
He was a blessing!
The big homie
he basically said "Black people is not profitable because racism exist so we go with the flow of racism"
@@1lukarioz Yeah, like how no black person bought Rebirth
Check the channel name
This is why I loved David Bowie. He was not letting up on that host, and rightfully so. David Bowie listened to everything, that's why we f**** with him. What a loss to the music world.
Why didn’t he ask any question about Asian artists not being present in huge ass numbers? 😂 do you think African mtv hosts 40-50% of white artists? 😂
@@ivandankob7112White Americans stole jazz, blues, and rock n roll from black Americans. That's why black American musicians always should have gotten more TV and radio play and get ALL the money and the credit they deserved!
Bowie was 100% real and authentic. No lies no false beliefs no hiding anything or trying to cater to anyone. He was a genuine human being.
And he dated iman and had a baby with her while other people questioned there relationship because of there race
Problem is today being genuine can get you cancelled.
@@CasperLD I agree, but sometimes "being genuine" is being an asshole or people just don't understand.
*"meme school"*
@@DIEGOalmanza100 Funny thing is Bowie would get cancelled today because he slept with 13 year olds
That is why David Bowie is a legend and MTV is dead.
Actually, he's dead and they just moved on to producing more degenerate culture destroying rubbish.
David Bowie is indeed a legend, and immortal, whatever corporeal form he's currently in.
Jesse Ventura implying he’s not a legend with your comment I see. Yes he’s dead but he’s also a legend
Jesse Ventura sure they’re around but come on. MTV is no where near where they once were. They don’t even play music anymore they are basically just a reality television station. The company could have been at the forefront of the digital revolution as they actually had a head start but they were slow to adapt. They are if not literally, figuratively dead. And Bowie is, though dead, a legend. That’s what OP meant.
Ironic how MTV is the one who posted this
Bowie made the guy look like a complete racist. Yet he didn’t even realize it. That last statement by Bowie is a lesson in shade.
Oh, love it. Love shade.
Specially for exposing the truths...
Bowie didn't make the guy look racist. In the conversation, Mark Goodman exposed his racism and made several arguments to defend racism.
my thoughts exactly
@Sultan King Nah, those were lame excuses on Mark Goodman's part. By 1981, there were a number of white shows on tv that had featured black musicians, creatives, intellectuals, actors. Television wasn't completely segregated. Audiences around the country had already been exposed to diverse programming.
BET actually was established in RESPONSE to channels like MTV, who chose to exclude black artists from its lineup. It offered black artists a platform when other channels denied them access.
Bowie didn’t make him look racist, the interviewer did that to himself. Bowie just posed the important questions and got shown in reply the horrible disgusting truths of the industry.
David's self control was admirable. The camera's nonflinching movement and focus on David's faced was extraordinary.
that camera man knew what he was doing loll
For the younger folks out there who didn't grow up in the 70s or 80s... NOBODY was talking about these issues in 1983 on tv. Not so openly, intelligently and assertively. Bowie was always ahead of his time.
Well that's not really true. Sam Cooke was talking about issues like thus in the early 60s. It's just that it usually came from black artists so people just saw it as a community fighting their rights. Speaks way more volume when a white guy does it. That's called using your platform to combat prejudice. Make people understand that this isn't a black problem. It's an us problem as a whole
People have always talked about these issues, YOU were just being ignorant
@@GreenEyedDazzler Not on tv. Sounds like you were born in 2005. Keep screaming into the void.
Can you STOP bringing us in conversations all the damn time?! We didn't live back then, so what? We can't control the year we are born, by 83. Racism/slavery was illegal, MTV just didn't play black artists until MJ's iconic "Billie Jean" came after one of his managers force MTV to play it.
@@GreenEyedDazzlerExactly.
The ghost of David Bowie is officially invited to the cookout.
👏👏👏👏👏
Inviting non-Black people to the cookout is kinda why we get trampled over, even by Liberal Whites, but go ahead...
“Very interesting”
@@jppage3292 Enjoy your butter biscuits! LOL
David was family long before it was cool
the zoom on his face was NECESSARY. hes not havin it at all
Yeah, I forgot that he had different colored eyes.
Looking at him then he was actually kinda hot
@@ghoullazarus2835 Yeah his friend punched him in the eye when he was younger which made one of his eyes permanently dilated. He wasn’t born with heterochroma.
Sorry heterochromia iridium.
The cameraman was on Bowie's side I suppose
The incredibly slow zoom on Bowie as his demeanor becomes subtly more scathing, followed by a chaotic fast zoom in when his incredulity fully manifests, is just top tier performance art from the camera man. It's like a Scorsese film
Exactly
If only there had been an Office moment, where Bowie turns towards the camera with a "can you believe this shit?" look!
Classic British polite insult at the end: "I understand your point of view"
@Paul Wember My comment is about British mannerisms, nothing to do with anything you're on about. Don't be such a snowflake.
@Paul Wember Bruh what the fuck are you on about 😐
I love it, wish I could do the same
@Paul Wember I think it's because the rich people will have the immigrants be more likely to be gave a house in smaller towns, where an influx of people is much more noticeable
@Paul Wember Hey paul, you remind me of the Mark Goodman guy from this video I'm watching! An obsolete closeted racist
Bowie,a British white male, exposed the hypocrisy of stereotyping in america. This is the same man who reminded the world of the mistreatment of Aborigines in australia with his let's dance video.
@@BLTKellys Was Bowie admiring Hitler or was he commenting on the cult of personality? Bowie once commented along the lines, when introduced to the Internet, that it would cause a commotion because it would create new realities, new ideas that would disturb people. One reality being a leader can't be positive influence to some,yet negative to others such as Trump, Obama, Clinton, Carter,Judas, Lucifer or your God's name here.
@@derekbrooks9812 he was admiring him. Bowie later said he was on drugs and into occult mysticism at the time of saying it, which isn’t really an adequate excuse IMO. Obviously he evolved later.
@@BLTKellys Apologies, I've just found a couple of sources confirming what you said. Again, my bad.
@@BLTKellys you obviously never seen someone who is delusional due to drug abuse. That’s so sad to see, I hope you never will.
He also came to Nz with our natives.
"Some people don't like to see black faces"
"Ain't that interesting?"
The guy said "scared as hell".... thats soo fucked up.
Time stamp? as I seemed to have missed despite watching twice. The volume isn't great on the phone!
@@saira_6151 1:37
We need to stop calling each other "black" or "white". That would be a nice first step, I think.
@@ectoplasmicfeedback1480 There are undeniable disparities between white and black people in our society that simply could never be solved by just pretending they are the same historically and socially and that there are no social or economic differences between the two. Just as the sun isn't destroyed by blocking it with a piece of cloth, sistemic racism is not solved by ignoring the differences between white and black people (and I mean this socially. It's important to emphasize that there are no genetic differences between races significant enough to make one even slightly better or worse than the other. Fuck eugenics)
It takes people like David Bowie to change the world
Facts 💯
You ask why men like that cannot be presidential candidates. Kind hearted, imperfect, inclusive and accountable.
White British are less racist than white Americans
The world will never change on how they look at us black people so your just wasting your breath
Probably because nobody like that would ever want the job of the presidency. @@nope1502
"does that make sense?"
"I understand your point of view" *fake smile*
damn...
Fantastic David Bowie, this world lost a great entertainer and gentleman 💕
That was really the cherry on top of this whole interview.
The smile was genuine. The guy from MTV had just openly admitted what Bowie could only allude to. And good on the guy from MTV for a fairly frank, even if inadvertent, confession. A great example of how to address the elephant in the room.
@@nagualdesign fair point. Though I had the impression he wasn't happy with his answer. But that could just be me.
@@nagualdesign can you translate?
When David Bowie said “I’ll tell you what Marvin Gaye means to a BLACK 17 year old” it blew my minddddd the interviewer really said a 17 year old to mean a white person and David was not having it!!!!! So ahead of his time!!!!
Ahead of his time? I have never even heard of anyone today that can dance around his opponent's words as gracefully as Bowie did. He didn't even raise his voice at all. He got everything he wanted out of the interviewer with the subtlest questions.
One Intelligent Dude 😎👍
David wasn’t afraid to be “THAT” person before it was the popular thing to do
The unpopular person
The unconventional person
The humans-first person ✊🏽
We should all aspire to be like david and speak up when we see something in the world that just isnt right.
@Logan Waltz well compared to the clowns that still fall in line, I'm still giving Bowie props. I see ur point but he was still doing it before it was cool.
but humans suck
@Triple JJ bro Bernie is disliked because he is a communist. He spent his honeymoon in the SOVIET UNION lmao. Not because he is like Bowie
A true punk! Standing up for what he believed in: justice & equality!
That's how you expose racism, you pose a rational question and then let them dig their own hole. Love Bowie even more after seeing this. What a beautiful soul he had.
''Interesting'' was Bowie's way of saying BULLSHIT!
Mark Mullins And i hate the KKK and Aryan Nation
THEN what happened in the wake of this interview? - Michael "King of Pop" Jackson became the biggest most over-played over hyped overrated and media-hogginest star in the world and gawd-awful rap / hip hop overtook MTV. Wonder if Mr Bowie ever remembered this interview and thought "Foot in me bloomin mouth!!"?
Actually, no there were NOT allot of BLACK musical acts making VIDEOS during the EARLY 80's, when THIS interview took place. WHO WERE the popular black musical acts at THAT TIME again anyway? .. . Cool And The Gang? The Pointer Sisters? Earth Wind And Fire? . . and all these funk and disco groups left over from the late 70's? I remember when MTV FIRST came out, in 1981 I believe, they were mainly playing groups like Blondie, Devo, B 52's, Talking Heads, The Police, Tom Petty And The Heart Breakers, The Go Go's, The Buggles and all those post-punk / New Wave groups which were mostly WHITE and THEY were the groups that were making most of the VIDEOS at that time. It wasn't until after Michael "King of Pop" Jackson became a big sensation ( about 1984 ) that they started playing more BLACK r&b and funk acts.
"Durr, there were'nt black bands making videos because I didn't see any on the channel that didn't play videos by black bands, hurr derpty terp."
Paul Thomas I know ! Haha I love him !
David said black rights,
David said trans rights,
David said gay rights,
David said women’s rights,
David said HUMAN rights!
🔥
Rob Stidman No, he didn’t. There’s a whole story about that that I can’t be bothered to recite right now - please don’t believe everything you read!
@@rstidman The girl who said she was Jimmy Page's girlfriend at age 14 thru 17, also said she lost her virginity to David Bowie, also at age 14. The Jimmy Page story seems more credible. Her account with Bowie has contradictions and timeline issues.
ALL of which we have here in America but not in other parts of the world but you virtue signaling morons don't care.
Rob Stidman bruh he never did, they said that about Kobe to, and Mj
he was honestly so ahead of his time, this and his "ladies, gentlemen and others" amazed me. he was a wonderful guy
he truly was inspiring
@@gugai trackin me down like that 🤬
@@lukedguy1253 can't hide from me
@@xafbxmoto269 Yes. The short response is, "Gender is not biological sex."
But I doubt that convinced you, so if you have the patience for a short essay read on.
Gender is what we think a stereotypical man or woman is. It is a loose collection of arbitrary attributes we decided makes someone male or female. As a thought experiment, try to list off the traits someone must have to belong to the male gender. Remember, saying "XY chromosomes" or mentioning sexually dimorphic anatomy is a erroneous conflation of the scientific topic of biological sex and the social topic of gender. These two things are separate discussions entirely, which solves the one of the most common misconceptions touted by gender binary stalwarts.
With that prerequisite info out of the way, I assume you have a list of things that aren't related to genitalia or body hair right. (If I'm wrong in that assumption see explanation above for why those things are separate from gender.) What did you come up with? Is it: big dogs, cars, guns, steaks, leather jackets, fighting, football, explosions, construction, action movies, whiskey, cigars, or tattoos? (This list came from some silly article about manliness, lol.) If your list is anything like that then let me ask you something. If a man didn't do the things on your list and instead liked make up and modeling, is he not still a male? You wouldn't say he is female, would you? I am assuming you would not think of him as being of the female gender but instead maybe just feminine.
So now we arrive at the next dilemma. Gender stereotypes are not accurate predictors of gender itself.
Back in the day people used to refer to men who were well groomed, maybe used a little makeup, and wore designer clothes, as "metrosexual". I think this term has died out now, but those types of men have not. I remember some people saying they were "in touch with their feminine side" funnily enough. The point of this is to say that masculinity exists on a spectrum and if that is true, femininity must as well. But what if you can't quite place someone as masculine or feminine? What if they are somewhere in the middle of masculinity and femininity? We have taken to calling this androgyny for a long time now. They are somewhere between male and female, yet not quite one or the other. There are those felt that the in between state was part of their identity, the same way someone feels like a man or a woman. And if it is possible to occupy a gender that is neither male nor female but a third state in between, then what holds the rest of the system together. From there people who felt as though they weren't quite a man but not a woman either started to express and give name to the expression of their identity.
Now I hope you understand a bit more about nonbinary gender identities. Don't get caught up in the 72 gender lines that trolls love to bring up, cause I'll give you my hypothesis on why there seem to be so many. It may be controversial but I honestly think it's evidenced by everything I have described thus far. That opinion being, gender isn't a spectrum. Gender is just a vestigial descriptor that we are trying to use is a society that doesn't need it anymore. Due to the fact that gender is an outdated meaningless collection of stereotypes. People who don't fit in the boxes make their own boxes to be in, when in fact, they never needed boxes in the first place. I can be confident in who I am without the need to be labeled a man. Idk if the world will arrive at that point in my life time though so w/e. It's just a thought.
Either way, I hope you're actually interested in challenging your preconceptions and have at least a little drive to do so now. Modern society is rejecting these needlessly harmful and restrictive traditions. People naturally resist change and take it out on one another maliciously. Sometimes people can be straight up cruel, but I don't believe in unfounded malevolence. I (maybe naively) believe everyone is one paradigm shift away from a more peaceful mentality. Recognizing non-binary people is respectful and harms no one. Invalidating their gender identity psychology harms a lot of fellow, breathing, feeling humans and benefits no one. It's an easy choice for me.
@@Awesomeficationify What you're claiming is ridiculous. The whole gender stereotypes is because of certain expectations that have made society thrive for thousands of years. Why do women get the stereotype of wanting to be a mother and caregiver? Because the men aren't giving birth and are the ones to do their part by ensuring safety and being strong for the family. That's like saying since I don't like football, that makes me less of a man. No, it just means I personally don't care for it. It has nothing to do with any spectrum. And who cares if you don't fit a stereotype. Are you really that concerned about what I or anyone else has to say about it? So if you don't like even 1 of the "restrictions" based on yourself, that doesn't make you any less of a man or woman.
Bowie absolutely taking control of this entire situation
This is scripted. I have to wonder if any of the commenters here are over the age of 30.
@@Dani92670 I don't think it's scripted, but I do think they knew what questions Bowie would be asking, and prepared answers that they deemed diplomatic. But I don't think they liked Bowie asking those questions.
@@Labroidas They probably had a set of questions and thought they would have just a nice little interview with a successful artist. But Bowie is on a completely different level, which was something they probably weren't prepared for.
@@Dani92670 Ya know, I just scoured the internet for anything saying that it's scripted. I found nothing that says it was from the well known sources. Quite the contrary. And I'm 34. But my brothers and sisters are 10+ years older than me.
The guy was just a caring human being that wanted everyone to be seen. The world missed you, David Bowie
Dal yeah, she revelead it after he was dead...a very convenient time imo. I’m not saying she’s lying but that’s weird, I mean they’ve been married for 10 years and he was the one who asked for a divorce
"The world missed you". Is he back ?
@@Dallas867 Woman beating is not a gift nor a damnation. The guys that are violent and misogenous gotta have their pay but in some situations in life some girls need some kind of hit. Smart asses like Depp's chick u know
Dal stoopid
what the fuck do you mean missed? we still miss him and will miss him forever
So racist how the interviewer says "People in the Midwest would be scared to death by Prince and black faces "
4:23 Bowie was done-done with ol' dude.
Andres Linares I know what a dickhead
Lmao and Prince was from the Midwest so it’s even more ironic.
How is it racist?
@@LeviUlysses-mp5wg How is it racist that people in the midwest would be scared to death of black faces? Is that what you're asking?
Prince was from the Midwest! (Minnesota) I can't imagine how proud Bowie's daughter Lexi (she's half Black) was when she first saw this. As a Black woman myself, I respected Bowie for this.
Goodman: “This [white] kid ranted about what he didn’t wanna see on MTV” Bowie: “Well, that’s his problem.”
Bowie drops the mike. *Boom!*
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It's also theirs because the vast majority of their audience was white and likely thought along the same lines as that white kid, especially in the early 80s when very few black neighborhoods had access to cable. It might have been fucked to shaft black artists but MTV is a corporation that is solely motivated by profit which means you can't realistically expect them to act ethically when there aren't clear monetary incentives for them to do so.
@@remembertotakeshowerspleas355 yeah, it's a shame that companies make decisions not according to moral values but to what will get them more profit
Bowie ain't buying any of the shit he's sellin!
I love how Bowie uses the word "interesting" when he actually means "terrible" or "outrageous."
peak british behavior lol
Full meaning: "Interesting that you've chosen to sabotage yourself that way."
it's classic shade
@@Bestbeachesincalifornia was going to say the same thing! I'm British but I live in Spain, and more than once I've had people say that British people are too apologetic and it comes across as weak or spineless. And I'm like.... "Oooh. You heard a British person say 'sorry' and you thought they meant that they were sorry. That could have meant a million different things from 'what the fuck did you just say', to 'why are you still in my way' to 'thats the stupidest shit anyone has ever said to me ever'. If that's what 'sorry' can mean, just imagine what we mean when we say 'thats very interesting'.
Never forget:
“In April 1951, 650 British fighting men - soldiers and officers from the 1st Battalion, the Gloucestershire Regiment - were deployed on the most important crossing on the Imjin River to block the traditional invasion route to Seoul. The Chinese had sent an entire division - 10,000 men - against the isolated Glosters in a major offensive to take the whole Korean peninsula, and the small force was gradually surrounded and overwhelmed. After two days' fighting, an American, Major General Robert H. Soule, asked the British brigadier, Thomas Brodie: "How are the Glosters doing?" The brigadier, with English understatement, replied: "A bit sticky, things are pretty sticky down there." To American ears, this did not sound desperate, and so he ordered them to stand fast. The surviving Glosters were rescued by a column of tanks; they escaped under fire, sitting on the decks of the tanks.”
The fact that MTV said Prince would scare somebody was repulsive. They still wanted to segregate even in the 80s.
@@TheVanillatech ever consider that you may be afraid of something in yourself?
@2 D bless your little heart x
Hey why did my comment get deleted? Are you seriously that offended that someone you don't know doesn't like someone else you don't know? :D "Snowflake snowflake snooooowflakess!". Hey was that a Prince song?
@2 D Wasn't talking to you my love :/
school busing was happening in the 70’s
I love the close up at the end of Bowie's expression. Thats the way to argue with decency. No temper,no rage,lots of diplomacy. Very evident the interviewer was waffling a bit with his reasons. Thanks MTV for uploading this. Dialogue is key to change.
“This guy wrote us a letter about how much he hated that”
“That’s his problem”
3:50
Yes, Bowie was right. It’s the guys problem.😂
@@archie6962
Guy was a snowflake. If I had written a letter every time I hated a music video on Tv in the 90s & 00s, I'd still be writing. As if these folks had never heard of changing the channel.
@@burningmisery true. Very good point.
Seriously, if he can go through the effort of writing and sending a letter, then I'm sure he can manage to just turn off MTV with even less effort exerted.
He seems to be disgusted by that guy.
Can you blame him?
Not by that guy but by what that guy represented
Everyone should be..
@@rememberingtruth yeah
Remembering Truth yup 👍
...and then Thriller came out.
MTV: "We love black artists!!"
elvisleeboy Actually, you need to do your research. The Thriller album came out in 1983.
Ian Findly lol his music video opened the MTV gates for all the black artists!!! And you hate that fact?
@@ultravioletgaia Absolutely he hates that fact HAHAHAHA Black artist kick their asses and sure this kind of people don't wanna admit it 😂😂😂
@@ianfindly3257 Go made music video better than his, like you're the one who sing, dance with your overblown ass... then I'll see how much you can sell with it, the impact of your video to music 🤣🤣🤣 eh I believe zero. Bye!! 😂😂😂
Rii Kean,
Groaaannnnnnn!! . . Boy, look here, I don't care to get into some stupid RACE COMPETITION like you seem to want ( " Black artists kick their asses" ), so I'm not going to take THAT bait, thanks but no thanks. Suffice it to say, I just didn't like Jackson's Thriller. I've always found it bloated, silly and cheesy as hell - especially with age over time, and think it destroyed the music video art form early on. The only thing that made it "ground breaking" or "revolutionary" was it's BUDGET and PRODUCTION scope. No music video made before it had that much money put into it - but every one that followed in it's wake had to cost a bazillion dollars. And that "opened the gates for black" doesn't mean anything to me, sorry.
" Scared to death of a string of black faces". MTV dude
Let that sink in
All Bowie even had to say about that was “hmmm, isn’t that just interesting/strange?” Just pointing out how silly that racist answer was
where is the last 1min 30secs of this? where Bowie says 'lets be honest, somebody laid down the ground rules at the beginning' and Goodman says 'is the tape off'
after this video ends, start at 4:55 of th-cam.com/video/yNcSlmnBV5s/w-d-xo.html
@@Sam-ui8cr Thank you!
np lol
Its the part of the video where Bowie basically gets him. Its the best part.
lol i was just thinking "wow, i appreciate that MTV themselves uploaded this" but, rip, guess they cut off the part where bowie pops off
It’s amazing how Bowie can be so calm and composed in his words while radiating disposition and disgust to this interview. It goes to show how much he cares about diversity in the world.
I agree...I think he had a gift to see beyond many things and truly able to see the souls and intentions of humans in general. It must be frustrating when you regard all humans as deserving respect and recognition as common sense but then see there's so much push back.
Bowie handled that extremely politely. He did try to pry for a straight answer but realized he will only get excuses. You can see he's very frustrated with MTV's / the rep's spinelessness but still ended it with "Interesting, okay, thank you very much". The other person even thought they got off the hook because of Bowie's calm demeanor. I like this way of conversing with another person who has an opposing view. At the end both knew what's up but people weren't attacked.
Always a gentleman
@@coolbreeze5683 emmm bowie has his dirty stuff to, i am a person that can see beyond bad people too, Manu of his rock stars friend were nasty asholes, so why he never look beyond them?? Hipocresy
@@eaaeeeea loved the way he said, “I understand your point of view.” He didn’t suffer fools but he always reacted with such class.
If it weren’t for Black American Blues, there would be no Rock and Roll.
hip hop would not exist without black people, disco would not exist without black people, soul would not exist without black people, jazz would not exist without black people, they are too many black parents of music that we should not ignore
@@kissarococo2459 damn, arent we bitter? Also instruments existed in African cultures too, dickfart.
@@kissarococo2459 And if there wasn't a barn, you wouldn't have been born
@Dave54600 "Nobody wants to hear white kids imitating what the blues used to be" Ike Turner
Though I credit the blues influincials for Rock & Roll, either way the creative artists would have found a sound .pleasing and most beautiful to the soul either way regardless♠️
Amazing. He's not virtue signaling. He's not selfishly gathering support by appealing to a already public issue. He noticed a problem, and is genuinely asking a question about it. He has an authenticity to his character most people lack these days.
Exactly! Either you can be like David and eloquently and logically explain your grievances in a way that leaves your opponent no way to defend himself/herself. Or, you can be like the modern day BLM movements and cancel everything and preach against discrimination and hatred all while going out into the streets and looting the stores of innocent shop owners that had nothing to do with the issue in the first place, destroying your credibility in the process by acting so hypocritically.
😂if he did this today you'd call him an sjw woke mob virtue signal libtard. To your ilk, rights in the past are romantic, rights in the present are a scourge
the way that Bowie held his gaze with the man after asking his questions and never once faltered when calling MTV out for not promoting black artists. he sat down in that chair with a mission dude. also love how he said "well i can tell you what The Isley Brothers or Marvin Gaye means to a BLACK 17 year old". and the other man just kept digging himself deeper and deeper but Bowie stood his ground and spoke facts. also love that last statement "i understand your point of view" like Bowie had had enough of that man lmao
You could say he gazed a gazely stare at the man. 😉
When you're serious about something you want to see how the other person receives it. If you're afraid of seeing that reception you might break eye contact, but then you wouldn't really be serious.
Totally
Do you know who Bowie's most influential producer was, not to mention one of the most influential songwriters in the last 50 years, who helped many artists gain fame on MTV and still does to this day? You will understand why Mr. Bowie called out the network.
Hint: Nile Rodgers.
Before you ask, MTV has never made a singular bio regarding this famous artist.
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He outright destroyed that interviewer.
He never raised his voice, he never yelled at the guy, he just methodically demolished the guy and the channel in the span of 4 minutes without breaking a sweat.
"I understand your point of view" that was the final blow
And the slight "sike!" stare 😁😁😁
MTV was a rock to metal bands station in it's early days. you don't know that. you think it's racism cause your stupid. if you were smart you would know how mtv used to program for two years in advance. but that would take away your virtue signalling glow. notice how good the videos got around 83/84.
@Michael Catalano Be a little more triggered. :D :D
@@bobbeckey6941 Ageing Gen-Xer here. If you think that that network's videos were good "around 83/84," I've got some hairspray to sell you. :D :D
And trying to make the "logical argument" that programming lily-white pop music "two years in advance"* counts as an excuse for bigoted narrow-mindedness is like trying to say that PLANNING wars and biological warfare makes it all perfectly benign. (But then--- you think typing "your stupid" makes you look smart. :D :D :D)
*Does that mean the MTV programmers had psychic knowledge that, say, Huey Lewis would go over? :D
@@argentokaos2629 Yes your racism has won me over? You had me at "lily white" honestly your so stupid. why would I waste any time over you. you shit bag.
“Is that a valid point”
“I understand your point”
Bowie was NOT having it lmaooo
"I understand your point of view"
The most respectful "no it is clearly not"
What a boss
He was thinking "this is complete bull crap".
His face was like “please let me leave now”
Music is nothing without black artists ❤ I liked how David Bowie addressed this without getting angry...good 4 him
Tell that to Irish people. Tell that to Eskimos. Tell that to Tibetans. Music is no way shape or form “nothing” without black influences.
@@dahe8883honey we’re talking about American pop, rock, soul, funk, country etc. All black-American people right there.
100% true. I'm Indigenous and Black music has been life blood to our peoples around the world.
@@mademioselle7729 I mean, American Country has strong roots in Traditional Irish music. I'm not discounting the influence of black artists, but it's not like we need to pick and choose which influences matter.
In the modern world most songs by any artist are influenced by a genre created by black people @@dahe8883
This is the 80s and you have no idea how many black artists were growing super popular...Michael bloody Jackson was on the rise so you can imagine how racist and wrong mtv looked not playing black artists.
E.Duane Mitchell yeah but it took a fight to put him on. The whole convo about black artists and MTV started because of Michael...
So bloody what? If they weren't getting airtime often on mtv they were probably getting it on another channel.
@Mike Barooshian Mate, you don't know what you're bloody talking about. What's your point? There's nothing wrong with one genre being inspired by another. It's not taking anything away from the original creators and music is universal. Anybody can make it. So how about you sod off with your pathetic little rant.
They didn't want to play THRILLER lol
@@panxoaltair1 they played beat it and billie jeanprior to that but with thriller they ere hesitant because the album had been out for a year by that point but Thriller actually ended up changing the game for music video
Only David Bowie could make the sentence “isn’t that interesting” feel so incendiary
Bowie and Darkseid have the same stare
Also when he said "I understand your point of view" but you're being totally offensive.
“We have to play the music the entire country is gonna like” “well black people are a part of the country...”
minority is called minority for a reason
Black music and black culture has had a huge influence on America’s culture. It is not a Minority subculture, it is very main stream, pure racism from MTV.
@@oldcowbb and the minority has created the most popular genres, rock n roll, pop, and hip hop, so whats your point?
Exactly! That was a powerful confession that black people are not included in America!
@beckys2222 that's a really bad take considering white people back then still listened to black music regardless of mtv
I love that this always circles back to my recommendations every February.
That's a good thing right?
"People in the Midwest are scared of Prince" [pretends Prince is not from Minneapolis]
Doesnt mean that people werent scared of him. Not everyone wants their female relative to date a black guy
Remembering Truth HUH??
drowsiella It’s true
Remembering Truth why did u leave so many dumbass comments on this vid? u dont have a life?
drowsiella Totally
Interviewer: *racist rant*
Bowie: Ahh. You're one of those.
The world needs more David Bowies.
@@TheTenCentStory True. An extremely random point that you brought up that has nothing to do with this conversation, but true.
@@RealJackHQ David Bowie didn't take advantage of young girls?
@@TheTenCentStory No
@@ellameyer8151 Having sex with underage girls is statutory rape and should be punishable by castration.
Such a classy gentleman. He's clearly disgusted with the responses from Mark Goodman, but it's unflaggingly polite, even at the end, when he refuses to validate Goodman's point. And here he is, DAVID BOWIE, at the height of his fame and popularity, putting this issue forth, which doesn't have anything to do with his music. Kudos to him for bringing up issues that were important to him and forcing them to be dealt with publicly. Respect...
+MiaSqueaky Well, actually, the issue does have a lot to do with his music, considering Little Richard was a big influence, and his Young Americans album was based on Philly soul music, etc.
You don't have to go back to Little Richard. In fact, Bowie's then-current album Let's Dance was produced by Nile Rodgers.
Fuck off you dumbfuck.
Mark Mullins Don't forget Sodomite... which makes him a hero of regressives
"Yet he's the Moral Authority" He was clearly on the _moral_ high ground here, and if you can't figure that out that's on you.
And the sad part is, if he had done this today, he would be mocked as a "Woke SJW."
Yep.
I don't believe so. He spoke with tact and grace. The "woke" population tends to speak with arrogance, as if to say "Look at me and my beliefs".
If they learned to speak with this type of class, they could be as well-respected as Bowie is.
@@DivaInTheWoodsmany do. But classy and calm interactions don't make for sensational news, do they?
@@albertlight3797 well, David Bowie DID perform on Soul Train and would never say a statement like that to Don Cornelius ,if we're being honest here.
@@albertlight3797 do you know what "WOKE" actually means? Not what a republican TELLS you it means or using that word to push a racist agenda. Cause "Woke" was created to essentially say you should look out for other people's feelings and experiences that isn't white men's , but it's become " I don't like it cause it APPEARS PROGRESSIVE, so it's a threat, so let's say it's "woke" ...and who says it? Usually White men. Just an Observation
David Bowie is staring into this man's soul and knows the exact bullshit coming out his mouth. It's like when know someone's lying but you let them try explain themselves.
Exactly! Lol
Read my mind
I love how disgusted Bowie is by his racist remarks and him thinking it makes sense
Bob Popular
just turn on the tap and flood us with scary looking black people?
I’ll give you the exact same answer Bowie gave to the man who was only thinking about money -
“I understand you” ...
(“but it doesn’t make moral sense”).
Bob Popular again, I understand your point of view... but I refuse to be so naive and think that white kids in Midwest America had a complete different taste in music than their counterparts in NYC because that’s the way they were born;
I think their parents and friends told them which music is good for them and the whiter it is, the better.
I lived 3 years in America and that’s only my impression. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Bob Popular I’m British... so I live in England.
I’ve lived in NYC for three years. It was (almost) as multicultural as London and very liberal.
I’ve done coast to coast for 3 months and people were different and nice to me everywhere but most of them have never left their village or maybe their county.
Anyway, music is so universal and brings people together that it doesn’t matter where you’re from.
@@sycoanalyst BS. I was a teenager back then and remember when MTV debuted. Most of the consumers of Rap were white kids. And why would anyone be scared of Prince or MJ? David wasn't buying what MTV and Mark or Marc were selling. Record labels with huge white artists on their roster; had to be threaten to pull those white artists videos if they didn't put their black artists into the rotation.
@@sycoanalyst There was rap: Rappers Delight hit the top 40 in 1979.
Black music that was censored by MTV includes R&B and dance music- which is hardly scary. The anti-disco phase could be seen as anti-black. Goodman was right in that all the top 40 stations were doing the same racist thing. And who the hell is scared of Prince? I was a teenager in 83 in Kentucky and all us white girls loved him. Still do.
But I take issue most with you saying "Unlike today, there was actually a very wide spectrum for choice." Wrong wrong. Spotify, TH-cam, and other streaming music services will let you explore any music your heart desires. That's how Lil Nas X got a number 1 country song. It's how Spanish Despicito became a number 1. You need to explore more.
The other dudes argument is basically saying 'well racists in middle America won't like it and we don't want em boycotting us for being diverse'
Exactly. MG: We choose to pander to racists because we think that will make us the most money. DB: Ever heard of morality?
That’s still an argument today, a lot of times with lack of representation for gays on like Disney channel and shit ya know.
"Its pure economics. The margin left for racism" Talking about people being turned off by, specifically, "black faces," as opposed to white faces presenting very similar music, as this veejay did (at least he was honest), is talking about racism.
JordanJ1263 you do know Disney features gay characters more than most media giants on tv today, right?
"Most of the people" A majority, that's what makes racism fine. :-/
Iman picked a wonderful, wonderful man. What a strong, loving husband and head of household he must have been. RIP
Rock and roll only??? There’s a shit ton of black artist who were the beginners of rock and roll
Chuck berry just for starters who inspired john lennon.
Rock and Roll is black music.
@@MrZachgonz explains why it was brutally demonized in the 60s, with jazz and blues being the scapegoats the decade prior
And the fact he said he wouldn’t air prince who plays guitar and has rock elements...ok
And really MTV stood for music television and did not just play rock music in the early days. They played music by most white artists (Police, P. Gabriel, Madonna).
David Bowie was so ahead of his time it is unbelievable to watch
+LEWK Ahead of his time? It was the world that was still behind; he was living in the present.
THEN what happened in the wake of this interview? - Michael "King of Pop" Jackson became the biggest most over hyped and overrated and media-hogginest star in the world and gawd-awful rap / hip hop overtook MTV. Wonder if Mr Bowie ever remembered this interview and thought "Foot in me bloomin mouth!!"?
Cole Slaw oh my god Cole, we get it! You don't like Michael Jackson! I guess we should have just never let black people be singers, right? Go cry somewhere else!
Cole Slaw THEN what happened next of this video? - "Cole Slaw" started spamming the same comments like a rat giving birth.
@@coleslaw9181 Lol bowie in a 93 intereview said the real artists are in rap who are expressing themselves, and that those who made white rock were now in the establishment.
Bowie was ahead of the curve, he stood for everyones equal treatment his entire life, and used his popularity to push that🤘 good man
Yes he was ❤️🖤
Yes he was ❤️🖤
@Ping Bong I don't fully get what you mean. He made a lot of money, but that's because he made music people wanted to hear (it's not like a business owner who profits from the labour of workers). (If that's not the point you're making, I apologise).
Bowie was with the curve everyone else was just behind living in the past.
All the others of his peers sold out in this decade. Real human being.
“Valid point?”
“I understand your point of view, thank you.”
Bowie was and continues to be a force for good.
saying Prince is to extreme for people to understand to a man who made his name as a Asexual Transgender space alien named Ziggy Stardust is hilarious.
Ziggy was bisexual, not asexual.
Asexual means you don't have sex lol
That is one full of the funniest things I’ve ever heard
@@cremetangerine82 oops. I know Bowie slept with everyone but I thought Ziggy the character was different. My bad
I thought he was tri- sexual..... meaning- try anything once!
The way David looked at the end of the video like "Y'all are so full of shit." lol Classic, he was truly one of a kind.
loved that "i understand your point of view" after the guys says that makes sense?
The guy made feeble excuses and didnt really address bowies question at all.
with all due respect to Bowie and you, it seems to me that the close-up just shown him holding up a burp.
David's intelligence spot on. He becomes the interviewer. He doesn't agree, and ends with, "I understand your point of view" - meaning I see your racism. His use of " interesting" tells you how David felt about Mark Goodman's remarks.
TD grasping at straws are we?
As an Englishman I can confirm that when we say "Interesting" like that it generally means that we think you are either an asshole or an idiot, normally idiot but he might have meant both.
André Eriksen you’re embarrassing
@@deandre1988 You might be...we are not.
@@deandre1988it's not exactly a stretch to make that inference
I can’t believe this happened in my lifetime. I remember watching MTV back in the day and only seeing black artists on in the night time with Yo MTV raps. I remember thinking it was because the videos were explicit but looking back most of them weren’t. Funny how you can get used to something to the point where you don’t even question it especially as a kid. So grateful for people like David Bowie for speaking up but even HE was given a bunch of BS as to why it should stay that way😫😅
Your memory must be bad. I saw black artist all the time on MTV, especially in 88. I even saw them in 1981. In fact, I saw black musicians in MTV's first 100 videos. I remember it like it was yesterday. Signed a black man.
@@EnervatedSociety Er… did you not just watch this video in which the person from MTV admitted that very fact?
Men this was before rap David bowie talking black artist like mtv play Marvin Gaye prince Aretha 3 am to 6am
"Some town in the Midwest would be scared to death by Prince" will always be the quote that sticks with me. Like that's already a bad excuse, but the fact that the one and only black artist this dude named was Prince, who is literally from Minnesota, makes it stupidly funny.
But they didn't mind white girls who could not sing!
I was literally thinking this exact thing. How do you mention the midwest and prince and not know that he's from the midwest rofl
He literally says right after that they still play prince despite that...
Also just because you're born somewhere doesn't mean they accept you.
@@Bourikii2992 but it does mean there's people like that from those places regardless
@@Bourikii2992 Prince walked on water in Minneapolis ever since Controversy. I don't know what the fuck you're saying.
When Bowie said , I understand you're point of view. He meant, I understand American racism and you catering to it. Got it.
I love how he wouldn't concede to it "making sense"
@@Dagger_323 no exactly the opposite, is how I read it. He understands the point of view. But he doesn't believe it makes sense. It's like (for a random example) I can understand why some people are Creationists. But it certainly doesn't make sense to me.
Basically.
exactly
@@Dagger_323 No. Him saying he understands his point of view is basically saying, "I see how you come to that conclusion, but I don't agree with it."
That interviewer was literally saying 'our audience are racist and we want to keep our audience, so guess it's not our responsibility'... In 1983 as well. Good on Bowie for calling it out though.
He has a point though that you can't just really piss off your core audience and all of a sudden go under. Woke or not you need to pay the bills.
Exactly
@@nobody48803 if you're only making your business functional through pandering to the racist tendencies of part of your audience, rather than actually playing cutting-edge music, then you probably shouldn't exist as a nationwide music broadcaster in the first place. Black music was at the frontier of innovation in the 80s and refusing to play it means you're probably not doing your job very well.
4 decades later, not much has changed
Way ahead of his time!!
This is the right way to be critical Understand the perspective of the opposite, point out why you think they're wrong and not throw irrelevant names at them.The world needs you now more than ever David
As if we needed another reason to LOVE David Bowie.
Exactly!
RIGHT amazing man
+That Girl At The Party. He was simply amazing!
exactly. This guy was the real deal. r.i.p. David
too true
Not only is Bowie correct, he’s also polite about it and even lets the other guy talk mostly without interruption. Rare thing to witness nowadays.
of course it is rare....people are less tolerant nowadays with racists.
Amen!!! Please bring manners back!!!!
I think it’s a very clever way of exposing some very shitty thinking. He’s giving the guy enough rope, knowing that he’ll eventually hang himself with it. Far more effective than shutting people down or taking away their platform, it instead puts bad ideas in the spotlight and showing them for what they are, rather than letting them fester away at the fringes. Louis Theroux also does this well, I wonder if he learned it from Bowie?
English manners.
"Never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake". Bowie was a master here. He was letting the interviewer dig his own grave.
I love the fact that the interviewer probably thought that David’s smiles and understanding ment he was in agreeance, when no, not at all.
He didn't think that at all. People understood sarcasm back then too you know. Millennials didn't invent it.
I think he knew, that's why he tried so hard to deflect, but Bowie was just laughing at him because his deflections were awful.
@@josh18230 ''Millennials didnt invent it'' and we're not braindead either you 90 year old crust
@@josh18230 sure, but this was English-level sarcasm in America. The degree of hostility Bowie is showing looks a lot higher to an '80s British or '20s American viewer than to an '80s American viewer.
ha. He laughing AT you, not WITH you...
This man is incredible. So much integrity.
*Interviewer: We have to appease the racist crowd*
*David Bowie: Well.....how about you don’t?*
but that doesn't make as much money, unfortunately. As a company, their number one concern is to make as much money as possible. It's just a sad reality.
@@WLxMusic How sad. They should go cry us a river.
@@WLxMusic oh no 😭. Money is more important than racial equality?! You're a moron
@@jacobwheeler1348 No, I think he/she was just announcing MTV’s position as a point of reference. Random Awesome wasn’t supporting that position.
@@jacobwheeler1348 I think someone who doesn't understand the difference between a person saying "someone is doing something" and saying "someone should be doing something" ought not to be calling anyone a moron.
I love how he's looking at him like, "I know you're bullshitting but carry on".
the guy is still alive SMH.
LMAO YEAH
So true.
Thats english politeness for you.
He is thinking "hmmm should i get him a shovel or should i just hire him a JCB?"
Lmaoo I love how Bowie just decides mid interview he’s gonna call them out on their shit
He asked earlier if he could 'ask some punishing questions a bit later', which they prompted him to ask later. It was very good of him to bring it up though.
David Bowie is the man! They never would be answered those questions by anyone else. God bless him
Bowie's body language during this portion of the interview is making it extremely obvious that he's paying attention to every potential word/landmine this interviewer is navigating. It's intense to watch.
Absolutely
Should a been a lawyer
Like, he has a checklist of racist talking points in his head and he's ticking one off every time the interviewer hits one.
@@SatrnOne racists are so dull, I imagine it's easy to memories the talking points their little pea brains can manage to come up with.
It’s beautiful
4:15 when the camera zooms in on Bowie's face. Priceless.
*judging you*
it really became a quite a meme
I have the gif on my phone
Yes, camera men calibrate focus on the camera lenses on the eyes for sharpness clarity ~~filmschool graduate
@@OlviMasta77 Great points and observations, I picked that up too
As a 45 y/o Black Man, David Bowie is one of my heroes! I wish most white males were like him. The world would be a better place. 🤎🖤🤍
Yep that's so true. Claiming you're anti racist (as most people nowadays do) is one thing, standing up and exposing inequality is another. Unfortunately today, most people say they are tolerant and anti racist but when push comes to shove all that most people ever care about is saving themselves and their beliefs.
Yup
45 years old, still make blanket statements like, "I wish more white males were like him." Old enough to realize you're own hypocrisy.
This is unrelated, but this was one of Bowie's most attractive eras
100% agree
HELL YEAH
Haha totally right!
His attractive era from 1965 to 2016
@@Lionkingview *1947