Could Tien Defeat The Androids With The Tribeam?
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- Could Tien Defeat The Androids With The Tribeam? Why didn't Tenshinhan use the Shin Kikoho on Android 17 and 18 or Imperfect Cell? @LSMMIKE discusses that in this Dragon Ball Z video featuring the anime and manga!
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I really admire Tien for standing up against semi-perfect Cell to create a window for 18 to escape. Kudos to Torlyama for giving Tien this moment to shine.
that and dragonball was the most respect tien ever got
he should've killed 18
After that, he never let Tien do anything cool. The next significant action from Tien is to sacrifice himself for a small stall in Buu Saga. Next was getting his ass beat in the Universe Survival Saga.
its part of what gives OG Dragon Ball its charm, back when every character was accounted for, even my friend calls Z "The Goku Show"
If Tien had learned the Kaio-Ken from King Kai and then pulled off this technique, he would've been a force to be reckoned with.
And also so very dead😂
He would simultaneously be the strongest and weakest since the tri beam with the kaio ken stacked on top would kill him instantly after a first or second try if he goes to the higher times of kaio ken like times 40 or 50.
his flame would burn bright but short
@justinarzola4584 he wouldn't even be able to withstand a x5 lmao
the sheer amount of genki unleashed by that 😭
Hearing Tien Shinhan Say he failed again against Nappa is so sad
Nappa was blowing up entire cities with his fingers. A classic DB character like Tien losing to someone like that is hardly something to be ashamed of.
Love your content man!😊😊😊❤❤❤❤❤
Tien should have brought with him 10 Senzu beans, taking them each point before wearing out.
You should do a video about which attack highest the highest multiplier. I always believe The Ki Ko Ho has the highest
No, it isn't consistent with things we learned before, Tien had a power level of 1830 compared to nappa at 4000 in the sayian saga, he used a single all out tri-beam against Nappa and it didn't come close to killing him. Even if you want to say his power has halved from his battle damage it still didn't kill or maim Nappa who DID not guard against the strike and was caught off guard which in dragon ball is shown to consistently lower your durability. So if we say Tiens power level output was still based off or near his max and Nappa being off guard lowered his durability by even a third or more its a piss poor showing for the move.
Now yes, the neo tribeam is an upgraded version of the original for sure, but to make the argument that it could kill 17 for example who can low diff a vegeta that is stronger than a goku who trained for three years post Namek who had a power level of 150 million at that time alone doesn't make sense. We don't *know* tiens power level but its pretty fair to say he is significantly weaker than SSJ Goku on Namek. If we said Tien was around 5 million which is a pretty big high ball all things considered. For him to kill Android 17 who's power level would be over a billion at this point if we had numbers to off of would make this new tri beam to even match 17 be over 200 times his power level, and to outright kill him in one shot would have to be around double his power level so over 400 times minimum, also assumes the android doesn't shot their own blast, dodge, or use their barrier.
The real answer as to why it held cell back, a cell who was likely well over 1000x more power than Tien, while only lightly injuring a nappa who was a bit over 2x as power as Tien, even if the technique was not as refined is because Tori just wanted to give Tien a moment.
Even IF we bought into the idea that the Neo-tribeam, which relies on his life force is somehow over 1000x more efficient at converting that life force in the blast, which since he paced himself instead of using one big shot like Nappa and DIDN'T die means we are now talking about well over 10000x more efficient now, why exactly did he not use it in the future timeline? If those androids were really some amount weaker than the present timeline, then it would work even if tien wasn't as strong as the present timeline since they didn't know about the threat which is somewhat doubtful since Tien is known to not stop training in peace time. I suppose the argument could be made he didn't learn it in that timeline and died before he would had to chance to teach himself but now it feels like the cosmic reaching it would take to get here has been stretched too far.
TL;DR No, it wouldn't have worked, just another example of a Tori moment.
I think Tien didnt try to kill #18 and #16 at that point in the story because they were allies/comrades.
If it's working by drawing on his own genki to interweave with his ordinary ki or act as a... capacitor, I guess, it makes me wonder how effective it would be if he could use God ki. A, uh... "kaikoho" would not only hit a lot harder, but be more surprising and have less of a problem with stability. But Tien isn't allowed to improve these days, so.
God Ki is only allowed to be used sometimes and it's only allowed to be strong sometimes. Goku and Vegeta unlock these divine versions of their already universe shattering forms but Android 17 was a park ranger for a good while so he is a Super Saiyan Blue equivalent. 👍 Power scaling at its finest.
"Kaikoho" would be amazing to see
If the Tri-Beam runs on Genki, what if Tien learned the spirit bomb and could draw Genki from others around him to boost his own attack with that energy. That would be insane.
He’d be like an artillery cannon! Love it
And then stack the Kaio-Ken on top of that. Cell would not be having a good day.
@@jsb6975.ah.crapbasketsHe'd give Cell Max a run for his money with God Ki.
Stopping Buutenk's blast for Tien is ENORMOUS.
THIS!!!!
@@ReeceHoward06 fr fr even if it's a "casual" blast.
It's a casual blast of a SS3 level fighter.
It's as if Tien could cancel the beam that killed Trunsk at the end of the Cell Saga...
It's giagantic.
Proving by this fact that Tien, is indeed, the strongest human fighter in the series.
@@ZERARCHIVE2023 Shiiiit...Buutenks is way past a Ss3 level fighter. That makes it even more impressive. To be fair, Tien had probably improved the technique that much by the time Buu came around. Unlikely he could push it that far for Perfect Cell.
@@ZERARCHIVE2023buutenks is more than SS3 level... he managed to pull the shit out of Ultimate Gohan
He must've hella mastered the tri beam ,cause comparing it to how he fired it in the buu saga vs the cell saga in the buu saga it looked like it was less straining on him
I had never thought of this before, despite being Tien vs semi perfect cell being one of my favorite DBZ moments. Great analysis!
If semiperfect Cell had some injuries, then all weaker enemies will be seriously injured or outright obliterated.
Imagine Frieza and his had, BAM and gone.
Tien, the ONE BEAM MAN!
Cell was not injured at all or hurt. It just prevented him from moving due to the recoil and power of the blast
@@aceclover758 did you not watch the video? He explained exactly why semi perfect cell was damaged
@mumenrider1908
Cell was mildly damaged ,cell literally got out of the pit and didn't even acknowledge that tein hit him ,he was still fixated on 18. That's how much damage tein did . Where as if you take cells fight with Vegeta he got the brakes beat off of him and even powered up during their fight.
@@mumenrider1908a few bruise marks that are barely visible doesn’t mean he damaged cell. He was not hurt, he could still move like if it never happened at all. That’s like saying semi perfect cell damaged super Vegeta because the free punch gave him a bloody lip.
@@betterthanemril988 I mean, it is a very mild form of damage, even if miniscule at best, although even with that you could still out it above say, android sixteens rocket punch due to the fact it did even less "damage" then the try beam
His stand against semi-perfect Cell makes it clear he would've obliterated 17 and 18 with it. Enough said
And let's not talk about Frieza and his dad. Just smears on the floor.
@@ramaziotivegito6853hell even considering his feat in the Buu Saga, Buu Saga Tien might be able to kill Perfect Cell with his Tribeam
I guess the only argument then is why didn’t he aim for 18
@@MrBlock-qe7hihis boner decided that. Just like krillin's boner did stop him pushing the button.
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Not sure why but I have a real soft spot for Tien and loved it when he had his moments to shine in DBZ. He was done absolutely dirty in Super. I pray he gets some sort of boost or form change. I saw a really good idea that his third eye fully opens and he becomes 'enlightened' and accesses some mystical ability!
I don't understand why this hasn't been done yet. I thought that might have been the point of even having it
All of the non-Saiyans were turned into a laughingstock in Super. DBS is absolutely awful
Super did everyone dirty, Tein is the most dedicated to training out of the other humans with less family obligations/distractions from training as the others
He last longer than Krillin, who should have been stronger than him. He also got eliminated while eliminating someone, which is badass. That’s hardly being done dirty. Krillin was done dirty.
@@DovahFett I sort of agree that Krillin was done dirty, but at least he had his training battle with Goku before the tournament. Also, saying that Tien was done less dirty than Krillin is an irrelevant counter argument to the fact that Tien was done dirty. Tien being done dirty is irrelevant to anything else which happens
I'm wondering how devastating tri-beam would be if someone like Goku used it, which I'm sure he'd easily be able to learn. Seems like the output is WAY more powerful than what the user should be capable of normally
I don't think he could have defeated the androids but I do think Tiens Neo Tri-Beam would have done substantial damage especially if he could manage to keep them done even with the energy shields❤️❤️
Let's don't forget. Tien couldn't sense the power of the android. He didn't use the tri-beam against the androids because he had no idea how powerful they really were. Tien could sense the power of Cell. I think this is a huge reason.
P.s.: The androids infinite energy and ability not to be sensed made them much more impressive then Cell. That was a flaw.
Idk man, when a dude from the future says even the Saiyans get wiped by the androids, I'm not holding back at all. All out ki-ko-ho from the start.
Now that I think about it it's definitely possible. Android 16 couldn't even make SP Cell move but Tien pushed him back. 16's way above the other 2 so it is actually reasonable.
Sp is super perfect .
@@serious409 Then what's Semi-Perfect?
@@AndrewAce. I would assume smp
@@MoonEarthSaturn Imp, Smp, P, SP... fair enough...
So, what would’ve happened if Piccolo and Tien fought 17 and 18? They could’ve potentially won..
And even Krillin with his Destructo. Lmao, they could have pulled it off if they went in with the resolve.
@@AndrewAce. I think they were scared of the androids since they were supposed to be killed by them.
@@DrBacalex Yeah, the Tri Beam thing was last ditch. I don't think even Tien knew how well it would work...
@@DrBacalexafter what happened when they tried tag teaming 17 and it failed they probably didn't want to repeat that as well as tien not having a major power boost like piccolo did when he fused with kami.
I'm curious why Goku didn't copy the tri beam technique... He could've killed semi perfect cell
It's like a Special Beam Cannon you don't even really have to charge, AND spammable, each one counting as multiple kamehamehas
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Someone please tell me how Krillin was supposed to be stronger than Tien? There’s no fricking way.
If Krilin hits Tien with a kenzan first he wins but if Tien uses the kikoho before its over
@@aleksplavcev8044 it takes longer for Krillen to set up his move
@@stevenhurtado2297 not correct
Tien needs more time to prepare a Kikoho
But even if thry dont use their best attacks I think that Tien is stronger
This was a top 10 moment in the entire Z series. I remember watching that getting mad hyped. That scene paired with the Bruce Faulconer score was cinema 😗🤌🏿
To make Tien relevant again all he needs is an even newer version of this...and to learn kaioken. With the insane - apparently thousands of times the power level of the user - multipliers on that move COMBINED with the multipliers behind a kaioken x20, and if he somehow trained with Whis and gained some level of divine ki ability to bolster that even more - then even without him being a saiyan, that move in particular could at LEAST serve as a way to pin a big bad enemy down long enough for Goku and Vegeta or Gohan to prepare some attack, fuse, whatever they needed to do.
I mean, hell, his solar flare is STILL one of the most useful moves in all of Dragonball when followed up by a destructo disc - which Krillin COULD have used when he blinded Frieza on Namek and just flew away - I always wondered, what if he'd used solar flare and instead of flying away IMMEDIATELY launched a disc right through his mid-section? Frieza's reign would have ended right there. And Tien pioneered solar flare / taioken.
So HERE's an idea:
what if Tien learned how to basically manipulate the energy he outputs in the neo tri-beam in such a way that he creates a network of incredible powerful and sharp energy BLADES? Then with an enemy like Cell, it could dice him into cubes, and it'd be incredibly lethal against anyone not able to regenerate or who wasn't SO powerful as to overwhelm even that (like how SSJ2 Gohan caught Cell's destructo discs, which shocked everyone).
Or, what if he taught the technique to someone in a whole different universe of power, like Vegeta?
Not that he WOULD, or Vegeta would ever agree to be taught by such a person (by the way, when's the last time Tien and Vegeta actually exchanged words? The mecha Frieza arc?) but if he DID...in the hands of Ulra Ego Vegeta, lacing it with destruction god ki, that move could probaby kill Beerus and even hurt Whis, given how many times beyond its own user it IS in power.
I think Tien never used Neo Tri Beam sooner because he had Super Sayans and Super Namekian to rely on.
But once Vegeta and Trunks were gone, Goku useless, Picoolo defeated, only then Tien stepped in.
I agree that the attack could do some severe damage to the androids, but I don't believe Tien has the necessary amount of life force to continue the move long enough to destroy/defeat them.
I recall in your 16 vs. Imperfect Cell video that you mentioned how we don't know how much damage the Hell's Flash technique did to Cell because it blasted the monster into a giant crater. He was offscreen for a few minutes/panels if you're reading the manga, but he appeared to be unharmed when he reappeared behind 17 to absorb him.
For all we know, he could've been banged up pretty badly. However, he used his regeneration abilities to recover before sneaking up on 17. One thing to remember is when 17 & 18 made it clear that he had beaten the bug, 16 screamed at them that the attack was NOT enough to destroy Cell and that they should leave immediately.
Then we have the Light Grenade, similar to Hell's Flash; the attack connected with Cell. HOWEVER, Cell was underwater after taking the blast. Not only that, he was surrounded by his aura when he reemerged (unharmed) and blasted Piccolo. It is POSSIBLE that the attack damaged him, but he regenerated offscreen. I guess one thing we could use to say that Cell KNEW he wouldn't be harmed by the blast was the fact that he willingly walked into it as Piccolo charged/fired the attack.
The Neo-Tri Beam PROBABLY would've inflicted more damage on Imperfect Cell than even the Light Grenade!
I think its obvious the move would kill them. If we take in consideration 17 running from Piccolo's Light Grenade that Imperfect Cell literally walks through, to Tribeam doing what it did to Semi-Perfect Cell I can see no scenario where the Androids if hit by it would be able to survive. Even if they somehow managed to survive the first one, the ability to spam it guarantees the kill.
It also doesn't help they would underestimate Tien until its too late.
Yeah there was absolutely no doubt on that one lol
First of all the ability didn’t damage Cell. And, they’d kill him off when he runs out of energy.
@@davonbenson4361
The scuff marks on Cell show otherwise, not that it matters, hurting Cell isn't the point. And has no bearing on the scenario.
*_"they’d kill him off when he runs out of energy."_*
....... I literally don't know how to process that statement given the facts. You're kinda missing the forest for the trees there.
@@davonbenson4361 17 would be disintegrated by Tien's tri-beam.
After that it would be a sort of Mexican stand off where Tien has to accurately guess where 18 is before she uses her faster speed and reflexes to bypass his tri-beam.
Same for 16 I imagine.
Tien: TRI BEEEEAAAMMM!
Cell: WAIT THAT'S A SQUARE!
Tien: NEO TRI BEAAAAMMMM!!!
Cell: IT'S STILL A SQUAREEEEEEEE!!!!!!
. The scaling doesn't add up with your estimation of Tiens PL.. Tien with a PL of 1830 couldn't scratch Nappa with a PL of 4000. I think the scuffs and dirt on Sel are no more damage than Nappa received from the move. Even if we play with numbers, lets say Tien was at half power, 4000 / 915 = 5* The move will have had no effect on an oppent 5x stronger than Tien. Ok let's say he's really weakened alright we'll use his pre saga 250. 4000 / 250 = 16, ok let's say Nappas full power is 8000 like some people high ball to. 8000 / 250 is 32... So an oppent 32x stronger than Tien can't be hurt by kikoho. Now we take SSJ Goku PL of 150,000,000 and divde by 16 (assuming Nappa's PL WAS just 4000 gives a buff to Tien) and we get 9,375,000(4,687,500 if we divide by 32 instead).... so I'm sure you see my point in order to have NO EFFECT on SSJ Goku these are the numbers we're looking at. We don't have PLs after this but if we just extrapolate for this to make ANY sense the humans HAVE to be stronger than Freeza again speculation at this point but 120,000,000 x 16 is 1,920,000,000 and if use Namek SSJ Goku instead of Freeza we get 2.4 billion minimum PL of Sel to be unharmed (which he was) If Tien was more powerful than freeza than conceivably he could have beaten the cyborgs but still not Semi-perfect Sel But otherwise we're looking at things like maybe the "shin" in Shin kikoho means "God" to signify amplified by the kaioken.... It might just be an inconsistency
I think Tien could’ve killed anybody weaker than Cell with that Neo Tri Beam. I’m interested to know how powerful you think the humans got by the time the androids arrived.
If it could kill the androids,, why didn’t he use it on 18 instead of stalling for her to escape 🤷🏾♂️
I can’t logically wrap my mind around it
Let's put it like this , piccolo stood no chance of defeating or even matching 17 before he merged with kami, Vegetaa super Saiyan was clapped by 18 ,so no Tien Aint surviveing 17 lol
The simple answer is HELL NO
The Tri Beam didn't do any damage to Cell it just pushed him back, the Tri Beam would not have done any significant damage to the Androids. Tien scales no where near the Androids even with the Neo Tri Beam.
No guys 🤣There's a reason Tien doesn't exist in the future timeline anymore🤣 - and those were against weaker androids. I love LSMedia for these speculative vids (and he's logical with his approach) but the short answer is plot - a character will only be as powerful as the story needs/allows at that particular point in time. Using feats to measure is a dangerous game.
The answer to all of these matchups is to think like a writer and put yourself in Akira's shoes: What is the situation, what do I want the reader to feel? What is the best way to achieve that?
If Akira had Tien use Neo tri-beam against the androids there's a good chance they would've laughed it off, again the purpose being to show how strong they were - hence the breaking of 'almighty' SSJ Vegeta.
I can't see it happening, it would knock them back but it wouldn't destroy them.
Always found it weird that his hand forms a triangle but the blast makes a square hole
Tien hiding that God Ki
Would a Saiyan get a zenkai from using the Tribeam?
Now that's interesting. I think they would, but only after taking a senzu after doing the beam
Cell should have had some Tien DNA, it sounds like. Screw the kamehameha, especially if you can just regenerate through all the tribeam's downsides
this leads to another question what if tenshinhan taught goku the kikoho and goku used it against freeza when he used his kioken times 20 on him
Problem is cell would kill him before he could kill 18
Cell did not take tien for full here
I think he would got atleast one shot out cell at the anime was not even consider to doge it because tien is weaker than frieza at this point he was not a threat to him at all out of cell sigth tien was just there until he shot cell on the dirt for like 15 min or 4 hours when we belive an old Statement from akira was he most likly vergot himself
What if he used neo tri-beam on first form cell would it have killed cell?
It is similar to vegetas final attonment any attack that takes life force has a HUGE multiplier
It also never works. Final Atonement failed to kill Buu despite the massive amount of energy. Likewise Tien failed to do more than delay Cell.
I have a theory. I think the reason he didn't use it is because the writers didn't write it in the story
Why didn't Tien use the Tri Beam on Imperfect Cell before he got 17.
If the tri beam can even get semiperfect cell to react to it,someone stronger the imperfect cell,whos stronger then 16,with 17 and 18 being WEAKER then that.the gap in power to to crazy to have them not die
It's An OHKO Move Due To a Glitch In Advanced Adventure!Have You Tried It?!
Not sure if this happened in the manga or not, but Tien went to train after getting defeated by 17 in the anime. He picked up his little buddy from Roshi's island to get some workouts in before he popped up again during the Piccolo/17 vs. Cell battle.
I wonder if he developed the Neo-Tri Beam only after the Android beating because that could explain why he didn't use it when Vegeta and the others were getting curb stomped by the Android pair.
Good point!
@@deckzone3000 seriously, asking if someone can develop a new move in 3-4 days in this universe despite people growing 100s or 10000000s of times stronger in a day haha Tien has quite the arsenal and I'm sure he evolved the Tri Beam on his own in not a lot of time
@@deckzone3000 Krillin got that 'potential unleashed' like power up in the two parter where he and Goku got some 'plants' for Roshi and let's not even get started on how much power various characters during the T.O.P. got in 45 mins or less.
As a Tien fan, its always fun to think about how in the moment of Tien vs Cell, Tien was the strongest Z-Fighter.
Stronger than Super Piccolo, Super Sayan Goku, and stronger than both Trunks and Vegeta (pre chamber)
It's sad to think how much of his lifespan might have been lost in exchange however. But he definitely played his part, and it's terrifying to think what Cell would have done then and there once complete.
Sad to think that the Neo Tri Beam vs Cell was the last great moment for any of the human characters
Yamaha won that baseball game.
Tien could have tri-ed. See what I did there? 😂
Is it safe to say that the Tri Beam drains the users Genki?
You look like Loveless from Wild, Wild West
I believe show at least 18 probably
The REAL question should be, could Tien beat Imperfect Cell ?
And the real answer is : NO...
If super saiyans and namekians need more training to beat the main bad guy a character like Tien or Krillin can do nothing
Could Super Perfect Cell have beaten Gohan SS2 with the Tri-Beam if he used that instead of the Kamehameha?
I agree i think his regeneration would allow him to push even further
Yeah, with some caveats. Even if didn't one-shot them , they wouldn't be able to escape, and the damage would add up. If it held back Cell, they would definitely take a good amount of damage from each hit. The only reason for it not to work would be that Tenshinhan would have to either hit both of them at once and stunlock them to death, or be able to one-shot each one of them individually so the other one can't interrupt.
Maybe 17's barrier would be a problem too, though I don't know, it may just break right through that. Also worth mentioning that Future Tenshinhan specifically possibly wouldn't even have this stronger version because he probably didn't train as hard, and maybe didn't upgrade it.
Cell is a different case, though, because he has the power of plot convenience (maybe he got that from his Saiyan cells too), so he could regenerate from one cell, 100 times stronger, and just win anyway.
fun fact, there was a dbz game on the snes that roughly used a rock paper sciscors form of gameplay in the fights. if you do really well on parts there are some slight deviations from the cannon story. one of the changes is tien's tri beam actually taking out nappa
Great photoshopping in the thumbnail
By power alone, possibly. But the Kikoho, even not as severe as the GenkiDama or Makankosappo, is not a quick move. Everytime he used it was against distracted enemies (or Goku). Never on a front to front combat. I think he takes that into consideration on why not using it against the Androids.
bad ass moment ever
What if Tien wishes for immortality? How would that affect the tri beam?!
Infinite Full Power Beams he could put unlimited life force in the beam and fire. Now I think he would still get fatigue but unlimited life force would reck anyone who isn't immortal
Tien would be one of the strongest no doubt and cell would have been dead.
He would not die but he would def be tired and exhausted by it he would have to wish for immortality and infinite stamina
Only if he caught them off guard. #17's barrier is kinda cracked so I don't think Tri-Beam could've pierced that.
I do think he could've taken out #18 though.
I think 16 would interfere once he senses the power level
@@Tariq-nv5gj True, I didn't consider that. I also don't think it would have destroyed #16 but it could damage him a little.
There are a lot of these little moments that don't make sense in the Cell saga. Biggest one to me is why Trunks as SSJ grade 2 didn't just one-shot 18 so Cell couldn't absorb her, instead of wasting time punching Cell. Trunks had no reason not to kill her, as far as he knew she was still a threat and Krillin was supposed to have killed her anyway. It's not like he wasn't strong enough, either.
same with when gohan ssj2 was toying with semi perfect cell after he spat out 18. goku, vegeta, and trunks who were miles past semi perfect cell just stood there shocked while goku was yelling at gohan to finish him.
6:16 You said Tien didn't train and that's just not true. Tien trains constantly. That's actually all he does. Which is why I don't get the whole "krillin is the strongest human" statement.
It's because Krillin had his potential unleashed on Namek. Tien never had any opportunities for that. He had to make up for it in training. Krillin has it easy.
I said he didn't train BETWEEN fighting Android 17 and attacking Semi-Perfect Cell. We saw everything he did during that time, which consisted of him hanging out at Roshi's house or searching for Imperfect Cell.
Oh yeah, for sure. Semi-perfect Cell was like 3 times stronger than both androids and like twice as strong as Android 16.
I wanna see a saiyan do the tri-beam cannon
I honestly don't know if Tien could have won with the tri-beam cannon against the androids. While the tri-beam was impressive enough to hold back semi perfect Cell, it still didn't do lasting damage to Cell, and did more damage to Tien by shortening his own life span. The tri-beam seems more like a technique of last resort, rather than a technique that should be used at the start, and it doesn't necessarily work against opponents that are significance stronger.
After neo-tri-beam against Semi-Perfect Cell, Cell had scratches on him while Android 16's punch wasn't even flinching Cell who was superior to 17 and 18 in both 1st and 2nd forms.
I think that alone proves that Tien could annihilate 17 and 18.
I think he would be able to take out all of them.
Yea it seem like all his tri beam did was hold cell down 😂 but as soon as it was over cell came up like nothing happen so his tri beam may give the androids some scratches but I doubt it'll take them out completely if it was that simple he would have done it😂
@@imnot_the1229 Cell getting scratched and knocked back actually shows how powerful the attack is. If it was that weak, Cell wouldn't have struggled at all and plowed right through it without so much as scratch, like has been demonstrated multiple times throughout the series. Did it do a lot of damage to Cell? No. But it inconvenienced the HELL out of him, which is impressive given that Cell was magnitudes stronger than him.
Semi-Perfect Cell >> Imperfect Cell (Fight with 16) > Kami Fused Piccolo = Android 17 > Super Saiyan Vegeta > Piccolo (No Kami) > Tien
Based off of that, I believe that Tien could take out the androids. As for why he didn't do it before? Because Tien had no way of knowing how powerful the Androids are. Why take that risk, if maybe it's not needed?? He only used the Neo Tri-Beam on Cell because there was no other options and he was the only there who could do anything.
@TresBS1 to be fair if you were trying to climb out of a hole and I kept whacking you with a couch cushion you'd find it hard to get out too and it might even bruise you eventually. But let's be honest I'm never going to kill you with it.
Can't android 17 use his energy field to protect him from that move?
Hard to say probatly yes but the could also break
@@jades5772 true
Heel Tien: Someone to take seriously. Total badass
Babyface Tien: Still a badass. Could solo a lot of people in other Animes. But total jobber to the stars in DB universe after the 22nd Tenkaichi Budokai.
I don't think it would have KILLED the androids, especially since there's 2 of them and one would kick his head in as he was using it on the other - but if he caught 17 alone with it and went all out like he did with Cell, I think 17 would OUTLAST Tien's attack and might put out his barrier, but WITHOUT the barrier I can see 17 getting really messed up from it - torn clothes, singed skin, blood coming out - it just seems the move is more of a WALL of energy that PUSHES moreso than *incinerates* like a kamehameha would - that's the way I always saw it anyway. I think 17 if he didn't get a barrier up - which let's be honest he would - would get badly damaged by it, but not enough to kill him, and he'd be quite angry when Tien was done, which would be bad news for Tien. As far as Cell, I don't think the scuff mark are "damage" - he's just dirty, from being crashed into the rocks over and over again. There's no sign of blood or anything like that, and Cell doesn't show any lingering pain - he's just ANNOYED that such a weak fighter of all people was able to STOP him from moving for that long.
So, I think it's a move that greatly ANNOYED semi-perfect Cell and stopped him from moving.
It would have probably somewhat damaged imperfect Cell and laid him out longer.
It would noticeably damage android 17 or 18 if they didn't put a barrier up - they'd be bleeding with tattered clothes, and if used on Vegeta as he was against semi-perfect Cell, it'd push him down and piss him off but he'd probably kill Tien, had he been a villain at the time.
Perfect Cell likely would not even flinch, though.
Against final form frieza, it would deal tremendous damage, probably make him lose part of his tail or something, and you'd see a very infuriated and bloodied Frieza - but even then I don't think it'd kill him. It might even knock him out for a while, though. I'm just not sure about KILLING him. But it'd for sure kill 2nd or 1st form frieza. Which is crazy t thinnk that TIEN with a time machine could do that much to Frieza without even being a super saiyan.
Just take the multiplier out and minus cell and that leaves just 17 so yes he could. Why he doesnt know kaioken is some stupid toriyama nonsense.
Highly doubt it, but frieza would've been turned to paste.
Simply put, probably not. Like 3 Androids vs 1 tri beam. Yeah the Tri beam itself is powerful, but not enough to kill all 3 before help comes
The reason why Tien's Tri-Beam stopped Buutenks blast even tho it was a basic ki-blast consider tien didn't powerup tri-beam as well... Is because Tri-beam is more than likely the most powerful ki-based attack of ALL of the Z-fighters... yeah Tien is weaker than the Saiyans but if he was the exact same powerlevel or even half of their powerlevel That Tri-beam can still hurt them BUT if it's the NEO-TRI BEAM.. then yeah they more than likely will be killed by his attack
Yeah Tiem Would with Neo Tri Beam Would Of Killed Anybody Weaker Then Semi Perfect Cell. Perhaps Tien Did Not Use it Because of Collateral Damage.. Not sure where the source come from..The Neo Tri Beam attack is x100 times The Base Power Level.
Saying this before I’ve watched the video. Definitely not 17, he would uses energy shield and has unlimited Ki. I assume 18 can do the same move.
It be similar when Goku was launching those energy attacks at cell. Then cell turns on the energy shield. Then Goku runs out of energy to sustain the ki barrage.
Didn’t Toryiama himself say that the Zfighters who where on kings Kai’s planet can use kai-o ken. They just don’t get benefits from it because human biology doesn’t give them Zenkai to counteract the complete destruction of your body.
Respect for Tien. He's a hero in every story, its a shame he's in a shonen jump manga because they only seem to care about the main guy (I dont think its an ignorant comment but I dont know enough about manga writers and the process, seems like most anime and manga start with a great cast and water them all down to a main few guys) . Him and Yamcha got disrespected 😢
Impressive Video. It's hilarious that the dragon ball wiki States/Claims That Tien Did No Damage to Cell..Despite The Fact That Semi Perfect Cell Sustain Damage And could not even counter the attacks
Probably not. He could hurt them, but not kill them. I dont think Cell was seriously hurt, just inconvenienced. Probably did more damage to his pride than anything. He didnt take Tien seriously.
My head-cannon is that after being defeated by the androids, Tien/Tenshinhan trained this technique so he would have a chance against much stronger opponents. So, during the Android fight, he couldn't use it at this level.
Even if he couldn't have beaten them, he'd certainly have knocked them on their asses. Heck, 17 probably would've complimented him for the effort.
Can it really be considered a full powered attack from piccolo when he was already fighting 17 for so long and lost most of his energy I know he can regenerate and stuff but come on now a full power blast from a fighter who is fresh in a full powered blast from a fighter who has been fighting and is exhausted won't be the same thing in my opinion
Toriyama forgot his own worldbuilding. DB is good narratively until Frieza saga (first part at least), then start to decline very fast. Still a good manga/anime, but not as consistent.
Also: Tien should just used the Kikoho with N18 without warning, thus destroying her and cancelling any chance for Cell to absorbe her.
Dragon ball has no logic ... a guy like Tien can hold semi perfect Cell but not Goku Vegeta or Gohan ...
If the Kikoho (tri beam) is so powerful why the other z fighters dont learn it ?
The power difference between Tien and Cell is huge (like between Master Roshi and Nappa for example) I like Tien but this scene is exaggerated ...
In an alternate universe, Chiotzu would use his magic to hold andoids in place, while Tien vaporized them with Neo Tri Beam
I mean scaling like this shows that he would’ve killed them in an instant.
Semi perfect cell >>>>>>> 16 > Imperfect cell >>>>> Piccolo = 17
If he lands that on even android 16, he’s dead, in my opinion. The tri beam is obviously way stronger than even 16. Miles stronger. And he’s miles stronger than 17 and 18. I think it’s a one shot on both androids. As at this stage if it’s damaging an opponent 5 or so times stronger than them, it would easily obliterate an android
Goku could have asked Tien to teach him he normal Tri Beam in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber and used it against Cell, that would have been more than enough to evaporate Cell even at 100%
Tfs Tien talking to dbz tien:
“ it’s tremendous “
“ why??? 🤨”
“ because A we could’ve killed android 17, B we could’ve killed android 18 or C we could’ve killed Vegeta”
“ why vegeta??”
“ BECAUSE I DESERVE SOMETHING TODAY”
Dragon ball z also has Android 16 grabbed hold of Perfect Cell against Gohan and Perfect Cell was struggling to get out of the grip lol. It doesn't make sense because we know that Perfect Cell at this point is FAR Stronger than Android 16.
Or because if he killed everyone with that move then the series would be over right there without cell being perfect
realistically the only being at that point capable of defeating the androids was King Cold (with 1 transformation). That's aside from Goku, Vegeta, and Trunks. After him Mecha Frieza would stand the next most chance from the villains (if they were alive or came a little later and allied)
Amazing video. I have left talking and watching DB. I made this arguement 7 years ago
It does absolutely make no logical sense that Tiens power level is over a million. Let's say he was about 1000 in the saiyan saga, why the heck should he have gotten 1000 times stronger? Let's say he got 10x stronger on King Kais planet. (What already makes no sense as less as Piccolos power increase) and then let's give him the benefit of the doubt and give him another 10 fold increase. (What already has no logical basis) than he would be at 100k. As strong as Ginyu. I think the cannon was just shown that strong to give him some spotlight in the series. An Android should technically be able to beat him with one finger. This would be just boring in the story...
17 had the shield that protected him from piccolo attacks. It could have been the same Vs the attacks of tenshinhan
The Ki-koho is a beast of a move no doubt, buuut it did almost nothing to Nappa who was only 3-4x stronger than Tien.
Now granted it’s the Shin Ki-Koho vs Cell so it could be more potent but It did no lasting damage to him all the same.
Android 17 has an energy barrier and infinite energy and could withstand the barrage. 18 is a no nonsense fighter and wouldn’t stand around and let the attack hit her.
Is it possible that Tien could kill an Android with this technique? It’s possible but in a fight we’d expect from the Androids it would never happen.
Even in the presented scenario of targeting 18 instead of Cell the most likely result is Cell would intercept the blast to protect the Androids he wouldn’t take a risk of them being destroyed.
@laughingstock media Is there anyway you can discuss Tien possibly training Goten and how that would turn out?
Tien wouldn't be able to beat even freeza 3rd form with that technique in my opinion. Nothing explains tien having a 1200 power level against the saiyans to have a ssj tier power years later just training with king kai and chaos (chiatzou)
The Androids also have the Android Barrier, which Tien saw during piccolo's fight.
If Tien fires it at 18, then I think he only gets one shot. Whether or not he succeeds there, Cell is going to rush him. Say 18 survives, maybe 16 tanks the attack, Cell is going to get his transformation.
But, say that Tien is able to repeatedly fire. If the remaining fighters are able to defend Tien for long enough then maybe he succeeds. This could lead Cell to run into the line of fire while 18 is being held down. If 16 doesn't stop him then maybe Cell pulls 18 from the attacks as he would come in at an angle to avoid a direct hit and would try to time it.
This all assumes that Vegeta doesn't interfere. Although I think it's more likely that he hovers there calling them fools.