Are Dragon Ball Characters Really THAT Strong?
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How strong is Goku really? Are Dragon Ball characters really that strong? If so why are the weight numbers given to them always to low? Is Akira Toriyama trolling us or is Goku not as strong as we think?
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Timeline:
00:00 - 01:57 Introduction: Strength is a core part of Goku's character.
01:58 - 06:50 Dragon Ball's Powerful Strength Feats But Weak Strength Numbers.
06:51 - 08:33 Why Toriyama's Weight Numbers are Dumb.
08:34 - 10:14 If Dragon Ball weight numbers were accurate
10:15 - 12:16 Another victim of low weight numbers in anime
12:17 - 20:03 Yes Dragon Ball Characters are THAT Strong - ภาพยนตร์และแอนิเมชัน
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nah bro dont even talk about saitama he can't even destroy a universe
Can someone explained to me why Goku is so relaxed
And got hit by a a rock and got hurts. and laser in Resurrection F?
the ki blast thing is explained int hte series
it just cancels out
you get hit by ki, it deletes.
it doesn't heat up the air, it deletes, ino your ki? you loose ki if you are hit?
6:36 why did you ignore Super where they literally dropped of clothes that would just dig into the Center of the planet? That would also be considered Planet weight and they did it in Base and also trained with it instead of just lifting. That scene literally makes his feat much much more crazier than what Superman did since these clothes must be multiple times heavier than the planet itself if it digs right into the ground. As we know Objects can balance on other Objects even if they´re couple times heavier and lets not forget the Gravity on Beerus his planet 💀 So we went from weird 40ton to probably 15000+ sextillion Tons. Dragonball truly is weird and inconsistent
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TLDR: dragon ball characters are THAT strong, they're simply miss represented because akira toriyama didnt feel like doing math. Pretty understandable
How did I get this many likes bro
Pretty much
There strength is still definitely over estimated other than the god characters in the show
@@Dolphan. Watch the full video, they're not overestimated. At least not the ones he talks about.
Maybe Toriyama isn't the one misrepresenting DB characters?
And poor execution. I still call bull shit on how Goku could be grazed by a *bullet.*
There's no way those weights are only 40 tons, Spider-Man bench presses twice that much. Toriyama really should've wrote a higher figure, considering how much Goku has actually lifted throughout the story.
Proof of author doesn't go with what fanboys want
I agree with you completely!
to be fair goku trains always base form but yeah should be higher anyway
AT was bad with telling weight, Goku looks like a unit ever since Saiyan Saga but in Toriyamas mind he weights 62 kg.... 62 kg that's only 137 POUNDS, that's like a like an average 14 y/o boy where I live.
@@rhythmkhandelwal2940 yeah i find it stupid that fanboys scale db characters to universal yet they destroy nothing more than buildings and mountains.
People forget how inconsistent toriyama is, bro the Z sword weighs at least 2 planets
Not just Toriyama, do you think 1000 tons is at least equal to 2 planets? This is magetta’s weight in dbs, which vegeta couldn’t budge. 😐
@@basimali619 aye, don't ask me, I did say he was inconsistent
@@themonkeyking2326 I’m agreeing with you, just added the fact that it wasn’t just Toriyama
@@basimali619 oh, my bad bro
@@basimali619 moving a 100 pound dumbell is much different than trying to move 150 pounds that are resisting you lol
For some reason, the creator of DB massively nerfs the characters whenever he gives out a statement, with the far more impressive feats being nerfed. That's why a gag creator should just avoid making statements beyond explaining or showing the destruction the characters will have.
Toriyama often likes to simplify things. For example, he wanted to make Super Saiyan a 10× boost, but kaioken already did that, so he made it a 50× boost.
He nerfed my Jiren 😪
@@Sajin_ and now we question if the current SSJ is a 50x multiplier because mastered SSJ is far stronger.
@@Jalen0108 true
Let's just pretend that scene never happened@@Jalen0108
I never considered the G force of their flying, thats actually pretty eye opening.
Then close those eyes back up, because G force has nothing to do with your lifting strength.
@@JJ-xy7dxdon't tell me you don't know Physics
@@JJ-xy7dx Go study
@@L_kira_editz I do know physics, which is why I say this, I even explain this in a comment I did for this video.
Humans can take up to 9 Gs of force, but they can't lift that much, why? Because your body's durability has nothing to do with how much you can lift.
So explain to me why your first action was to say that I don't know physics.
@@JJ-xy7dxhe was talking about durability
Remember that time goku had problems to lift an apple that weights 1 kilo? That was the moment i went "Yup, toriyama can't math"
Actually, it's very easy to explain. Goku regulates his ki unconsciously, and he is very precise with it. He didn't expect to need to increase his ki to pick up a simple apple. Plus, he actually does lift it once he realizes. If you really want to be technical. 10x Gravity means 10x more every part of your body. Organs, blood and all. That's very very different than lifting a dumbbell of that weight.
@@rekora1045 Wanted to say this. Being in two times gravity doesn't just mean you weigh twice as much, it's so much more internal and fundamental than that. We can at least explain the Earthlings easily, in that Human organs aren't designed to be able to function at higher atmospheric pressure, so even if you could lift twice your own body weight with ease, being in 2x gravity would be hell because your body isn't designed for it. Your heart would be under so much more effort, breathing would alone be harder, and it's doubled weight minimum on every square inch of your body; it's twice as hard to do ANYTHING.
@@InfiniteEscuro More like, Super Saiyan Hell! 😂 Lifting 2000 lbs and 2000 lbs of gravity per square inch all over your entire body, at the same time. You wouldn't even be able to so much as blink open your eyes..
Edit: I literally thought people like you were a myth.. a polite, respectful, and honorable human being, who is also intelligent? LOL 😂😆
how he Asian but can’t do math that’s like a dik wit no bawls
I've always figured that it wasn't the weight that was the problem its the fact that his body wasn't accustomed to the dramatic change in gravity. Imagine all of sudden every single cell of your body doubles in weight, everything feels heavier. You could be the world strongest man, you'd still struggle to even process what the hell is happening.
To be fair, Wailord is the Float Whale Pokémon and his weigt is actually slightly less than air, which would make him float
Thank you !
Is that why he can breed with Skiddy?
@@KaiKrimson56 he can do that because they share an egg group, the field group, which is basically mammals with some reptiles and birds, and through weird alternate world science sharing a egg group is enough to make eggs together (which is very weird because im sure humans would fall into the human-like egg group 🙂)
Nope
@@TheNaturalGamer1 you're wrong
From how many Colossal Titans could actually fit within all the walls surrounding Paradis to Dyspo's feat of being faster than light somehow being something super amazing in late-DBS just goes to show that most authors are writers and artists first and mathematicians tenth... and for good reasons. The higher you scale something, the harder it becomes to visually - and consistently - depict such grand moments while still keeping it grounded and realistic. Dragon Ball's world never struck me as something Toriyama carefully crafted together with intricate lore and characters: if he needed cyborgs stronger than a space dictator, he'd do it; If there's a grey alien as strong as some top gods, then there is one. With current media so obsessed with worldbuilding and lore, Dragon Ball sticks out a like a sore thumb where new characters and ideas get introduced for one saga... and then are forgotten for decades once a new storyline rolls in. Expecting consistency in regards to feats and/or statements in a series like this will leave one but a sobbing mess if you dare to start powerscaling and not resort to reciting the old mantra of "Just an anti-feat, just an anti-feat, doesn't count!"
Besides, in the end Mr. Satan and Boss Rabbit solo neg diff, Hirudegarn is only building level and Metal Cooler has infinite speed.
You said it.
even early on in dragon ball, the fact that much of the world runs on capsule tech is just so that the world is more convenient to write in. a world where buildings spring up out of chapstick tubes and entire world populations can be brought back to life once a year is the only world where something like the events of dragon ball could occur without being incredibly dark
Hence Dragon Ball Heroes. If you didn't think it could get worse oh it gets worse. Also Gohan Blanco and stuff
It was actually confirmed people like King Kai or Supreme Kai can alter or add gravity to their planets in their realms so even if it was just 40 tons you could literally say that King Kong was adding more gravity to the already 40 tons Joseph makes sense given the fact that his Planet definitely has a higher gravity sense of gravity which would definitely mean heavier things would more than likely weigh more especially considering they could just add gravity to it we literally saw Supreme Kai do this and it was mentioned that something pretty much anyone as a high status can do basically you have to be a kai at least
Oh yeah "King kong." I love that character in DB as well.
That autocorrect man. I sympathize.
King Kong solos💀💀💀
Where exactly was it confirmed?
Also king kai's planet has 20x more gravity
For the 40 tons that Goku has difficulty carrying, it depends on lots of things, we don't know the gravity of the planet, we're going Gohan as a great sayaman to carry a plane that weighs much more than 40 tons, also it depends on the way the load is carried, I can lift 240 in deadlift, but I cannot lift this same load in deadlift or squat, and I think that I would have a lot of difficulty moving if we spread 100kilo over my body.
King Kai's planet has 10x gravity but still Goku should have no problem with 40 tons
The amount of people who don't realize that these characters are training their *bodies* and are *not using Ki* is kinda embarrassing.
@@breeezathats not king kai's planet btw (from what i remember i guess)
@@breeezaThat’s not Kai’s planet, and he wasn’t using Ki, he was training his body.
@BlitzInvasion2 when he was training with the weights he was dead and on king kais planet
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@@tiffanyclark734 bro you don’t have to watch him just saying
The 20kg shell is especially funny cause goku pushes a boulder weighing hundreds if not thousands of times more heavy very VERY shortly after like a chapter or two later
not to mention in the universe 7 vs universe 6 saga in the manga vegeta as a Super Saiyan couldnt lift Magetta fist from the ground and by beerus Magetta fist weigh 1,000 pounds
thats crazy
Wasn't Magenta constantly increasing his weight if I remember correctly? Which is why Vegeta was struggling.
@@mijaroprime9509yes he was this guy obviously was watching it, dragon ball fans don’t watch there own show
Pounds? That's a translation error i think
It was 1000 tons, no?
@@mijaroprime9509 no he doesn’t increase his weight . It was Tupper of universe 11 who can increase his weight. Perhaps you’re mixing them up cuz nowhere in the anime or manga states metalmen increase their weight.
@@kapayasiame3632 That's lterally what I just came back and said.
I come from boxing. Having 20 kilograms extra weight on you while towing fields would most definitely make an extremely large difference accumulatively while doing something like towing a field with your bare hands or god forbid focusing on a fight with a strong resisting opponent who’s trying to hurt you. I am not even marginally surprised that weight makes a difference over a long period of a workout even for someone who can lift boulders.
Not for someone who can blow up a planet though hahaha.
@@scrumt9284at the time Goku could barely blow up a car.
@@romus1299 Throughout the training and by the end he’s strong enough to contend with a disguised roshi who blows up the moon during that same tournament. But at the very beginning of the training yes, he has to put in effort to move a large boulder and we see his kamehameha wreck roshi’s car lol.
In the video he made it sound like the shell would be worn just in the training, but they were wearing it all the time
I agree, like if all might had 150 kg on his wrists it would make a difference, because benching 500 kg and having 150 kg on his wrists is completely different thing that’s science. Plus when all might punches he uses his quirk not physical strength
I think MOST of Dragon Ball characters strength is from training Ki to increase striking and also defense. I think their strength to sustain weights is still super but only increases a little, compared to their COSMIC level Ki power.
Nah, don't waste your thoughts on this. Super does make times 10 less sense than Z
Then why don't they use their cosmic striking power to move weights? If Vegeta can't lift 1000 tons, then surely he could punch a 1000 tons.
Nah bro, their streight comes from carrying seven dragon BALLS.
Goku is struggling to carry 40 tons, because of the dragonballs in his pants.
Then why does they train lifting weights? If their lifting strength is so inconsequential to their ki, why not train ki alone? Seems kinda stupid doesnt it?
@@HieuLe-fi2ri They train both. Picolo meditate a lot. Also DBZ doesn't make sense.
My favorite real math dragon ball power scail is how all the characters are shown breaking what is stated as the most durable material in the multiverse, if you compair that to stuff from our universe it generates some astronomical feats.
I just wanted to add something a LOT of people miss in the Tournament of Power: Android 18- yes Android 18 lifted up a pink energy ball stated to “contain an entire dimension” inside….this makes Saitama’s black hole bench press look next to nothing compared with what Android 18 did with ball containing a whole dimension!
u mean android 17 right
@@eidkristo6107 no android 18 she did it
If you're talking about Cocote, it's literally just a Pocket Dimension smaller than a Room, doesn't really mean much
@@JJ-xy7dx Cocote’s pink energy ball scales above Tupper’s weight, the same dude who sunk through the Kachi-Katchin fighting stage with his weight alone by simply existing, and Grand Priest stated the fighting stage is even harder than Universe 7’s katchin, which the Supreme Kai described in being the hardest material in the universe back in Z, meaning this substance within the fighting stage can beat basically anything we know of in the universe. Only for 18 to casually pick him up with 1 hand and throw him across the ring.
You’d then realize this pocket dimension energy ball is way above room level.
@@dillpickle7400 Cocote's Pink ball has absolutely no way of scaling to Tupper, absolutely nothing makes it heavier than Tupper, no statement saying it's heavier, no feat of a Character struggling to lift it, that could also lift Tupper, nothing.
I said it's Room Level in size, and no, it isn't above Room Level in weight either, what the hell even is Room Level weight?
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Interesting analysis. Not enough fans of manga and anime realize how overwhelmingly powerful even the human Dragon Ball characters are compared to any other animes or mangas in existence, let alone aliens like Goku and deities like Whis and the Omni King of all universes.
Yea, one of the major feats we saw, was the fight between Jackie Chun and Krillin. It was over in a flash, and they had to reenact their fight in the most hilarous scene.
However, we don't know if this really happened or was just a joke of the two, but given the feats we see before that, like the After-Image Technique (Phantom Star) Goku and others used several times.
But the car lift/throw in the first episode should have increased the powerlevel of all stronger characters in the series by far. I think Tao Pai Pai, and maybe General Blue, where the only other Characters that showed their immense physical strength, if I remember correctly.
sailor moon negs goku
@@nickyheart You'd make millions if you were a comedian. Funniest joke I've heard in a while
This is a topic I've long been passionate about, so this video made my day beyond what I can express in a comment section. I'd also like to add that, as far back as the 21st Tenkaichi Budoukai, Goku has exceeded light speed, as he ran to Rôshi from Tenshinhan's Taiyôken, grabbed Rôshi's glasses, and ran back to where he originally stood, all before the light faded. As for my favorite feat of strength, I'd have to say that's SS4 Goku benchpressing a literal tectonic plate to keep a city from collapsing, which is on the scale of quintillions of tons. Eat that, Superman.
Edit: My final sentiment was more of a, "You ain't the only one, Superman," not a, "Goku can but you can't, Superman."
Superman has done that and more, TBH.
You are aware Supes has benched pressed the weight of the earth for a few days without sunlight, right 🤨
Superman can most definitely lift a tectonic plate..
@BirdieSenpai
Dont listen to the Superman glazers. They all like to use "composite" superman with no context
Superman's greatest feats come from his random "Power-Up of the Week" not his base like when he flew through a bunch of suns inorder to punch the World Forger in the face. He has alot of high ball feats in base but ALOT of lowball ones in his BASE
"Eat that, Superman" is funny when you remember Superman sneezed away the Solar System in his first iteration and Saitama can literally bench press two black holes. Eat that, Goku.
Great topic and great video. I’m happy this popped up for me.
I always love videos like these, open-minded & indepth context details. It inspires me to be my own TH-camr someday but eh, probably wouldn't take off as well 😅👍
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@@CAGExplains U right 😌
You never know until you try.
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Dragon Ball may be the biggest example of
Lifting strength ≠ Striking strength
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I Remember Krillin tanking bullets from a machine gun as a kid then in Super gets wounded by a normal pistol.
Man, even the filler of the anime give him more credit, fighting against imperfect Cell and outsmarting him despite being weaker while in the manga he got bodied by a robot wasp.
Outside of flight and ki blasts examples, the best lifting feat in DB would probably come from GT. When SSJ4 Goku lifted a whole city with relative ease.
I loved that bit. He lifted half a city with the dense Earth underneath. Kinda how people say he "struggled" to push back a building that was falling. It wasn't him struggling, they should look at it like this. Goku in his small child body was able to hold the building, push it back with his tiny arms WITH nothing to push off of like a ground. He wasn't struggling there, it was him trying not to break the goddamn glass that is in clear view. So, to get better ki control he goes SSJ4 and instantly plops a roughly 200.000 - 350.000 ton (judging by normal a skyscraper's weight) skyscraper back into place. It was showing how good his ki control is. I feel like people didn't even watch the full episode cause after that he lifts half a city with the Earth underneath it easily, imagine how dense that shit is.
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It’s all air. Wailord is called the blimp pokemon so it’s a blimp whale, not a real whale
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Keep the grind on
Love the video btw
Fantastic video man keep it up!
This is really well explained and actually makes sense. Cant wait for the super video
The 40 tons was BS when Gohan casually lifts an airplane in base….while weaker than he was 7 years ago lmao
Yeah...in my opinion, the severe lack of attention to detail with the numbers and the fact that they often don't come anywhere close to doing justice to the character's capabilities and feats are likely the biggest pockmark on the Dragonball Franchise.
Excellent video, your uploads are always great !
Great video, non DB fans really don't understand how inconsistent DB can be
"Do you even lift bro?" - Dragonball Characters
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When goku and beerus punched they had shockwaves threatening to destroy the universe. Their arms did not even quiver on impact, they stayed straight and strong like logs. Considering how weak this goku is conpared to later. You can comfortably argue he has infinite lifting strength.
Edit: Just because its not him lifting something. Does not mean it'd not help show what he could lift.
Well, it infinite, but if their punches colliding is sending shockwaves making planets rattle on the other side of the universe, they have ridiculously high physical strength in the multi quadrillion+ ton range (easily able to move planets with ease)
@@cygnusprime6728 I have no idea why you're brining up planets at all. Goku has feats that'd put him to planet range all the way back in the frieza saga, let alone super. It honestly feels like downplay to talk about planets at all
When goku stopped dead friezas ki blast and punched it into a planet, that was beyond planetary lifting strength. And Ki blasts in DBZ are physical force more so than heat as some people try to argue. Wounds don't immediately seal like with a light Saber or something, it's just concentrated raw force killing your ass.
so Daishinkan and Goku havc the same lifting strength? (infinite)
or does Daishinkan infinity is greater than Goku's infinity?
@@higorss No, I imagine he has higher lifting strength then goku by far. There's multiple levels to infinity. The quickest way to grasp the concept is to ask yourself which is larger. Half of infinity, or infinity. Clearly infinity is larger despite Half of infinity still being infinity, even 1% of it would be.
To further go into it. There's also infinites between each and every number we have. The difference between 1 and 2, can actually be an infinite range because 1.XXX can go on forever. You can break a single number into an infinite number of pieces, .001 would be one hundredth of 1. But you can expand that concept to any degree.
Goku would essentially have infinite 3D lifting strength due to his beerus clash. Other characters in fiction have shown higher lifting Feats. And it all gets stupid as hell and wonky after 3d in my personal opinion. But it is what it is lol.
@@drunkenrage8996 Infinity doesnt has a half because its not a number but a concept 💀infinity cannot be quantified or measured
half infinity = infinite + 1 = infinite x infinite = infinity
In all fairness, Super is hardly ever consistent.
and by hardly ever, you mean never. Super's power scaling was an absolute joke it ruined DB honestly. MFs out here going Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan (aka Blue) and policeman Krillin, Roshi who is 157 years of age and hasn't lifted anything heavier than a porno mag in the past 100 years, and Android 17 out here playing farmville somehow are in that wheelhouse/power level range. It's beyond dumb
Are that Goku gets Hurt by bullets even though my Boy took Machine gun fire and bazookas ON His face AS a Kid before even learning proper ki control
3:15 Don't forget Mr. Satan has a power level of close to 300 as a human, supposedly.
Thank you for doing the work.
Its not just the amount of weight, it's the lack of rest in between. It's like repping 12 times of normal weight but you cant unrack yhe weight and continue to hold it, it burns so bad. That is why gravity training and weighed clothes training is so effective in gaining strength.
Goku also shook an infinite realm just by screaming and transforming into SSJ3 in the movie Fusion Reborn, pretty crazy feats, considering it was in Dragon Ball Z, not even super
Oh no, I hate infinity feats, these are so arbitrary
@luis-sophus-8227 Same. I’ve had to debunk quite a few before. Like the Infinite Void in Super. I’ve had to ask them what a hyperbole, just so that they would have to look it up. I’ve also had to make them use logic above facts.
Like if the earth is completely submerged in water, if there was no resistance, and I made a ripple, would there be infinite ripples? They said no because it sounded ludicrous. And I agreed with them. I compared the Infinite Void to an empty room where the floor hasn’t been finished and measured, as the idea of shaking emptiness is bonkers. And they called me crazy for trying to be logical.
Never try argue against infinity feats. They will purposely reduce their brain cells in order to fight logic.
@@theomnigamer9177this is fiction blub, everything isn't going to make sense logically, superman lifts infinity, punches through realities, gotenks screams open a portal, goku shakes the infinite void.
It just is, it's written like that to show just how ridiculously powerful they are.
You may be book smart but you're an idiot when it comes to emotional intelligence aren't you?
You may think you sound smart but you just come across as that,"ahh butt" Guy, or sheldon from big bang theory, or the guy in YT comments trying to correct a joke
Because you cannot be logical when it comes to approaching these feats. There is no real life analogue for an infinite realm, or if there is we have no real way to understand the minutia of it's mechanics@@theomnigamer9177
@@sayajin8773I actually think theomnigamer's comment was pretty reasonable. There comes a point to where arguing in favor of certain character feats does not make logical sense and will make it harder for some viewers/readers to suspend their disbelief. I don't think saying "it's fiction, therefore everything isn't going to make logical sense" is strong enough to justify the lack of logic that would create problems with suspension of disbelief.
Really nice video! So are you gonna make a seperate video about dragon ball super?
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Also I wouldn’t consider gohan breaking out of raditz’s space pod a physical strength feat since he needed ki to break out
Good video, not sure if you're going to continue powerscaling related content but Dragon Ball in general has been a tricky one (if you decide to remain unbias) as there is so many one-off guidebooks, statements and the fact that the series is ongoing means more antifeats are likely to come along. I think with the writing from Dragonball simply goes off what SOUNDS strong in the moment without focusing too much on the aforementioned. Thats why to this day we have rarely seen feats on the level people scale Goku to.
People love to equate lifting strengh with how hard you can hit
True. These two are not connected. A professional boxer hits way harder than a power lifter.
@@NordicWiseguy facts though you do have rare instances of that not being the case
Because the two are inherently linked.
@@2balls4me not necessarily
@@2balls4me no they are not. Even if you were physically the world's strongest person you still wouldn't hit as hard as a professional boxer. Hitting is much more than just using brute strength.
Amazing as always!😁
I dunno if I agree with you man, I think it would only take 1 Zarbon to destroy the moon imo
Only 1 Piccolo
only 1 roshi@@bbrandumbb
There is a huge difference between sustaining 2500g's for .1 seconds and enduring 100+ g's over a long period of time. Not to mention, flight is ki control in dB and ki control fortifies the body.
Man this is so good logic and scientific accurate bravo 👏🏼never seen it this way though but makes so much sense everything U say bro
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This video has shown me that toriyama doesn't understand his characters power 😂. Great video.
gravity affects every part of us. So when Goku/Vegeta used the gravity function of their spaceship not only did the muscles on his body feel the strai the organs inside him did as well. I'm not saying you're wrong. I've known that the physical strength/feats issues of Toriyama's(and about 99% of all fiction writers that have ever lived) work for years but I just thought you should know that the internal organ thing is also important.
Well, they used to be a lot stronger. Remember when Vegeta blew up an entire planet while breathing in space with a single Ki blast? It wasn't even one of his signature moves either.
I think they’re strong. But Akira Toriyama didn’t care or intend for Multiversal and Macrocosm shit. He just wrote whatever he thought was fun and interesting at the moment.
Tbf its pretty easy to not write up a macrocosm considering how empty the living universe is. You can just say *all* of them are aliens
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I have a headcanon that characters actually envelop their body with some ki to withstand punches and blasts. Which is why their clothes aren't destroyed
Thats not headcanon. Thats canon. Its literally what they do.
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I like the mathing bro your smarter than any other dragon ball fan
Physically, there is a lot of proof that Dragon Ball characters are not super muscular in strength despite having easy planetary destroying power.
Lifting strength is weak compared to sending out beams and ki waves.
Ki amplifies power
@@ducklett01god Yeah, but Akira always showed limits on the physical side.
Weighted clothes and performing athletic movements is much different than just lifting it’s the same reason bodybuilders can bench 300 lbs but can barely do 10 push ups
Horrible examble. There is not a single bodybuilder that can’t easily do 10 pushups. U could use the examble better with big chunky strongman and pullups or something.
@@Torengestburpees
@@Torengest no it’s not I know so many heavy lifters that can’t do more than 10 pull ups with proper form or push ups because of the different muscle fibers ask a strongman to do handstand push ups and see what happens
@@Oh_geezzz You said push ups in your first comment. There is not a single body builder who can't do more than10 push ups.
@@Zer-mz4rw y’all knew wtf I ment lmao y’all just wanna argue lol
Amazing video!
Maybe we can explain it away as Goku and the others training without their ki. As Toriyama said, their muscle strength has a limit and then they power themselves with ki to get even stronger. Goku can just be "turning off his ki" and is just doing muscle training.
Exactly. He didn't get math wrong. The characters very rarely go full power in the anime, so it's really hard to see how strong the characters are because they are never at full power on training, as doing it will just make it cost more ki and not give any better results. These "Goku 0.001% power" stuff is real. Also, you must consider the transformations multipliers.
With all that considered, lets see how much % goku would have to struggle with 40 tons but be able to lift the earth
According to research, earth's weight is 5.972.000.000.000.000.000.000 tons
Goku was struggling with 40 tons
40 tons x 400 (ssj3) = 16000
5.972.000.000.000.000.000.000/16000 = 3.732.500.000.000.000.000
100 divided by 3.732.500.000.000.000.000= 0.0000000000000000026791695
Considering ki can be concentrated to multiply the power level even more, and considering that explosive power doesn't need as much energy as the one needed to carry such weight, we can assume the minimum percentage goku was using there is somewhere around 0.0000000003%
We can see that this is not a joke as goku can get hurt by a gunshot in super, where he is a billion times stronger at minimum on base compared to when he won against freeza, which could destroy a whole planet
Whoa never thought about any of these small feats actually being big
Vegeta trained in base with 400 g gravity. Say he weighs 150 lbs well that’s 30 tons!! And he moves with ease so…. Yeaaaaaa lol
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I don't think gohan destroying the pod is as impressive as you think because the vehicle was likely designed to withstand external force rather than internal force, and Gohan broke it from the inside.
While that might be true, Gohan still had to smash through and tear apart the outside to escape. I can't imagine the outside being easy to tear apart just because the inside got smashed.
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Toriyama’s magnum opus was drawing shit on a stick with a smiley face. I don’t know why people take his battle manga so seriously.
On the flying g force thing. The reason high g forces are dangerous is because a part of our bodies are undergoing acceleration while others aren't. Accelerating object pushes against our skeleton which pushes against our squishy organs which can obviously cause problems. If that acceleration was unanimously applied to every molecule in our body, then you essentially wouldn't feel a thing because nothing internally is being jostled about.
It's pretty reasonable to assume that ki flight works like this seen as it's a nebulous power that exists within the whole body and soul. If it were explained that ki flight specifically pushes someone's feet and only their feet then g forces would be significant.
by the end of super goku is easily Multiversal if not higher
It doesn’t make sense how Vegeta couldn’t have lifted a 1000lb mageta
Cause Db Super is inconsistent af
It's Super dumb, makes no sense at all 💀
@@CAGExplainsmeanwhile kid goku going crazy
@@CAGExplainsCorrect me if I'm wrong but Magetta is said to be able to increase his weight which is what made Vegeta struggle. It make more sense then because even if someone could lift more than say 100 pounds easily, if the weight is constantly shifting I can see how it would make it hard for them to lift it.
@@mijaroprime9509 that’s wrong. No where in the manga or anime states that metal men increase their weight. In the manga, ssj Vegeta tries to lift him while magetta stares at him with a blank expression. ( dbs chapter 11) No implications of him increasing his weight. Just punches him afterwards.
Yo, the bumbell thing near the start. Thats was a shout out. Ive been doing my own version of turtleshell training for years. It works well. Thats the thing people dont get with dragonball. He wanted us to engage and "feel like a saiyan too" meaning. He made easter eggs like a 20kg weight being used in YOUR OWN training regiment... thats how i see it anyways.
Think of thisbsort of stuff and keep training and you too could be like goku.... its called engagment with your audience.
With regards to the planet punching plot armor lol I always think of something like that when I watch super... you have the next level beings fighting and they hardly do anything to the environment around them but in they fight between Goku and Kid Buu the were tearing the Kais planet apart with their fight and I wish we saw more it
The Crazy thing is that a lot of Chinese Xianxia protags in recent webcomics and Webnovels make even the strongest version of Goku seem like Childs play next to them.
To be fair, Dragon Ball was influenced by Chinese Mythology, which has some bonkers powerful characters.
The same people who say "strongest version of Goku" are also the ones who discredit GT for being "non-canon"
I'm sure there are some power characters in that Chinese thingy youre saying but Dragon God Goku at the end of GT is an outerversal being who's transcended Time, Space, and all laws of physics
End of GT Goku is the true embodiment of the Monkey King lore. I'm pretty sure Sun Wukong also transcended past all the gods as well
@@jdrmanmusiqking That is true, nirvana is a state of omnipotence. That is why when Sun Wukong reach it, he became equal to buddah.
@@joshuakulah1496 Another reason why Super is TRASH. Totally disrespectful to the Monkey King Lore by putting more dieties above Goku when he LONG SINCE past them up in Z
At the end of Z, the gods literally had to call Goku for help (Buu and Jenemba). In GT, no diety was over Goku then he transcended all reality. Wtf is Super even doing
I think you would multiply the 40 tons times the gravity chamber or King Kais Planets gravity.
Kai Planet = x10 gravity
20 tons on each arm x Kai gravity = 200 tons weighing down each arm.
That would still make it 400 tons in total, which the Video still goes against, also, the feat was not made in King Kai's Planet, but Grand Kai Planet, which has no stated Gravity
@@JJ-xy7dxno it was on king kais planet the episode was filler and goku was training on king kais plenet then i forget if it was south or east kai but he came over to gloat about how his warrior was better than goku then king kai increased the weights on goku to absurd porportions then he had to go super saiyan to train with ease
Where the hell did you get grand kais planet from? Goku didnt eveb have access to super siayan 2 or 3 yet so how could he have possibly been on grand kais planet when they only time he ever was there was in the buu saga
@@raccoonmaster3681 it wasn't on King Kai's Planet and it wasn't Filler, we see it in Chapter 234 of DBZ, we actually see twists and turns in the Horizon, mountains, an actual land, it's either the Grand Kai Planet or Heaven, not King Kai's Planet, King Kai's Planet is too small for that.
The scene IS in the Buu Saga, Goku trains with weights after he talked to Gohan about the Tenkaichi Budokkai. Now my question to you is where did You get King Kai's Planet from? And what does Goku having SSJ2 and 3 have to do with Goku being in Grand Kai's Planet?
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@@JJ-xy7dx what you just described doesn't mean its the grand kais planet at all so really if we are going to be faithful about this its neither king kais or the grand kais planet.
Also sure its in the buu saga i misremembered however from what your saying your not really proving anything about this not being king kais planet after all why specifically would king kai be there
@@raccoonmaster3681 it literally does, because Grand Kai's Planet and Heaven are the only planets big enough to have that, what are you smoking? King Kai's planet doesn't have a Horizon that extends that far, it doesn't have mountains, it doesn't have slopes, you saying "Nuh-uh" doesn't change that.
He's there training Goku, are you acting like the Kais can't be in the Grand Kai Planet? Because otherwise, you don't have anything to support your point. Don't forget that King Kai's Planet Blew up, and we don't know when it got restored.
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he's just saying the numbers like 6 tons and 18 tons, when he's not lifting 6 tons he's doing 10,000 one armed pushups while weighing 6 tons.
SSJ4 Goku lifted part of a city
I'm here for the reminder the 40 tons struggle was in his base form and Goku's known for having forms that multiply his power millions of times over and that's why hes known to be so strong. ssj is 50x ssjb is supposedly 82 million.
Exactly! In that moment with the 40 ton weights his base form was struggling, which was the point. Soon as he went ssj they went to become weightless. That's when goku figured out how to get stronger. It wasn't the transformations, granted the boost is helpful. It was their base form strength determined how strong their transformations became.
bro pulled the multipliers from his ass
Even within early Dragon Ball the example of Taopaipai it gets more inconsistent. The man was able to shrug off a Kamehameha with little more than his clothes being torn apart, but later on it is a grenade what ends up nearly killing him.
17:20 this is basically explained when Goku aimed his Kamehameha at Cell. The beam is highly concentrated and would need to collide directly with the planet to destroy it.
The problem isn't inconsistency or author being clueless (although Toriyama is arguably both), it's fans trying to view STORIES as if they are some kind of RPG or fighting game with hard stats. Dragonball fans in particular are so obsessed with their characters strength, they sometimes don't even care about the story quality as long is "new shiny strong" is presented. Which pushes DB further downhill into being an uninspired repetitive screaming fest with new ultimate strongest ever guy being revealed every other week. Can't really blame Toriyama tho, as long as fans are content with subpar writing and endless powercreep he has no reason to improve anything.
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I mean the reason for the 40 tons could be ki control. (Head cannon) Goku probably lowered his power to a state where 40 tons would push his body.
interesting but then why not low enough to use normal weights? and why go super saiyan to fix it?
Still makes no sense, only his physical strength at this point should be more than enough to lift 40 tons, effortlessly. It's a big inconsistency, makes no sense at all considering he can casually trade Universal level punches with Beerus on his first time as Super saiyan god and his base state at this point surpasses that
@@julelsonkelson8512That scene was in the Buu arc, still I don't thing present Goku in base is stronger than BoG Ssj god Goku
Also I think wearing 40t wrist weights it's extremely different than lifting 40t
@@julelsonkelson8512the 40 tons thing happened in the Buu Saga. Long before Beerus.
Your point is still true though
@@julelsonkelson8512 "only his physical strength at this point should be more than enough to lift 40 tons." *Uses Goku while he's using Ki as an example...*
With gravity, you need to take into account that it would changes up your overall anatomy bodily functions more difficult. It would take more time for your blood to pump, your eyeballs will increase in weight, ect.
He was able to shake the infinte void and his fight with beerus was sending tremors to the whole macrocosm. His strength is immeasurable
This is why most of power-scaling is completely nonsense and people should accept it's purely non canonical fun and not determining how strong characters really are.
It's not how much Goku can lift heavy weights, it's how he can pick it up and still move around with it.
It's simple, just because you can deadlift 500kg (standing still), it's not the same as and also doing punches and kicks and running and jumping around super fast with said 500kg on your back...
When Goku used those 40 ton equipment, he wasn't just standing still.
7:35 this is the worst possible example you could've chosen
wailord is SUPPOSED to weigh an absurdly small amount, cause he's a balloon
13:33 You seem to have researched a good deal of things, props. But I must nitpick, the pod is probably much more durable to outside stresses than to inside stresses, due to it's shape. 🤔🤔🤔
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I figured that the lifting 40 tons feat was without enhancing his body with ki, so that was just pure saiyan muscle. Remember that without actively using ki, even someone as strong as Goku can get fodderized by a random freeza grunt laser weapon, when in the previous movie he was trading blows with Beerus and the two of them were collectively shaking the whole macrocosm that is the infinitely sized universe 7 universe, plus its afterlife (which is many times larger that the physical universe itself), and the supreme Kai planet that can orbit said afterlife like it’s a moon or something.
Not to mention that having your limbs now weigh 40 tons is verry different to just lifting 40 tons.
Wearing it and lifting it are very different things.
I can lift nearly 100 lbs easily, but if I wear 100 lbs, Id be fucked
so the gravity training is probably mostly Zenkai boosts due to internal damage and that ki aura that always accompanies characters flying probably insulates against the g forces
The namek saga training was actually zenkais especially since Goku used a Kamehameha on himself just to get a zenkai
Maybe ki really is the answer to all this inconsistency. Besides obviously the writers and artists not being mathematicians or scientists themselves. An in-universe explanation could just be that DBZ characters have Ki levels that just are constantly changing and although you can train and improve your ki control through hard work and skill there is also a bit of randomness or the character could just be caught off guard and not be focusing their ki or even they could just be having a bad day and the energy just isn't flowing like it should be. ect. Something as vague as Ki can easily be explained away through a thousand different ways for being inconsistent.
I always say that. I think Goku has super strength and durable, but the massive astronomical increases in power are from training his Ki into striking and defense.
Not really. There's no reason why Super Saiyan Vegeta couldn't lift a thousand pounds in a proper fight on a planet with relatively normal gravity. This isn't a ki thing either, he wasn't weakened, his weight was consistent, and even if you say he was holding back there was no reason why he would actively make himself struggle and then give up on the strat of toppling him.
@@arkkon2740it’s jus bad showcasing
The problem lies in the fact that db doesn't even have a power system to start with. Why would you make a power system for a shitty gag manga with one joke? oh shit, it got popular? Keep pumping that faeces out like no tomorrow, who gives a shit about making the story comprehensible?
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