I am literally BEGGING they do Mr. Freeze storyline for The Batman sequel. Pattinson would hit it out of the park with Victor as his main adversary. Freeze has a perfect combination of brains, passion, love, and depth a villain needs. Victor is a character that's easily relatable that will do anything for his wife and I think Batman absolutely understands that because his entire existence fighting crime and everything is to honor his family name. Like Dominic Toretto says, "Nothing is stronger than family."
@@EthanHinde it'd also be an incredibly interesting dynamic for this batman, because he's already seen gotham at it's lowest and most depraved, Mr. Freeze could serve as a reminder that some of these people are like, human
I still think it’s wholesome that when Mr.Freeze is caught and arrested Batman moves his research equipment to Arkham so he can keep finding a cure just under supervision
@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 dude turned himself and his wife in to human popcicles because he cant handle his wife's illness that dosent sound insane to you?
@@wolfscareglow2425 No, if he hadn't froze her, she would have died. He is delaying her death in hopes of finding a cure. And, he didn't intensionally turn himself into that. He has a logical reason for what he is doing and has a grip on reality. The odds might not be great, but it's not impossible either. He's desperately clinging to a slim hope using unethical methods. He deserves to be in prison, not in an insane asylum. Gotham doesn't just have Arkham to hold criminals.
@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 i think it might legit just be for him to continue research as most state prisons or jails don't have the labs to do that stuff in
It's heartbreaking how the reason this starts off is that Freeze respected Batman enough after the events of Arkham City to not want to take up arms against him again. He was done fighting Batman and saw him as probably the closest thing to a friend he had in the world. I do wish we had a gotten one final piece of dialogue between Freeze and Batman where they could say "thank you" to one another and share their mutual respect. Batman deserved to hear that from him
Imagine you’re Freeze trying to accept that your wife, who you have worked so hard to save, is going to die soon, and Batman just walks up like “You didn’t say thank you, Victor….”
It was better to leave him be. By opening his helmet, Freeze prove that he is going with her to death. That will be his thank you to Batman, letting him die in peace with his beloved wife. Batman did something similar with a few versions of Joe Chill: letting him die in peace, knowing that he regretted his actions that night and that it haunted him just as much as it does Bruce still. Sometimes without knowing he created Batman, sometimes knowing he did, but no matter what it still gave him peace all without having to say the words.
This looks like a rip off of Arkham city. We already reunited freeze with Nora by finding where joker took her body then backtracking to freeze to have him then go find her, only for the next game to do this all over again. Never played Arkham night cause it was such a duster when it originally released but Jesus, this looks like recycled scripts to the max. Lazy AF
"I failed you. I wish there were another way for me to say it. I cannot. I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine."
@@ivanivan744 The worst part is, the Batman TAS continuity moves into Batman Beyond... and Freeze's appearance there doesn't give him a happy ending. Tragic to the last breath.
Batman’s reaction to the termination of this villains story is one of the many great things about the scene. When it’s all over-he says nothing. He simply leaves them with each other.
@@drewthelegend ngl the feats of intellect batman is capable of really makes me wonder if he could have actually cured her tho, but maybe Akham games batman is less capable
I think that this might be the most lines of dialogue Nora has had in the entirety of her existence as a character. Normally she's just a plot device to motivate Freeze.
Nora should have been the origin of the term "fridging", instead of the one panel in a Green Lantern comic where his girlfriend is killed. But, you can't expect third wave feminists to do any research.
Smartest move that lasts still to this day because of how heartbreaking it is for someone trying to save someone the love and forced into the life of a criminal to do it because of corrupt business men.
@@DaviHorner one that he’s obsessed with a corpse from a woman who died in the 40’s I believe. And there’s the original Mr. Freeze from before the backstory about Nora was added that I don’t know about.
@@DaviHorner Originally Mr. Freeze was really just a villain with cheesy ice-related jokes. He didn't have the "tragic" back story that TAS invented to make his character more compelling. TAS was probably the best thing to happen to Batman. They also invented Harley Quinn.
It would be a cool storyline to have Dr. Fries actually manage to save his wife, and become an ally to Batman in the future. He always seemed like one of the only few Batman villains who could be redeemed. All the others are psychos are sociopaths but he just wants to save the one person he loves.
Not true 50 percent of batman's villians are insane but can be cured they're not straight up psychopaths none are take man bat as an example he was a sane normal person before he accidentally killed his wife and turned himself into a bat in a lab accident he locked himself up as a punishment for that when batman turned him into a human again even joker was cured of his insanity in some comic versions mainly because batman gave him hope that "that one bad day" Is not a fatal joke and that there's hope for him Deathstroke is at heart not the worst person he's a mercenary and a killer but he values his family over everything even himself he is pretty honorable as well all of these are redeeming qualities Deadshot has all of these qualities too batman's villians are much more redeemable than you think that's one of the reasons batman didn't give up his no kill code.
@@magicjewel96 Don't mean as some kinda partner in crime but a professional Doctor who Batman could go to when stumped with a difficult situation beyond his expertise.
Honestly, I see a nice parallel between Freeze & the Final Fantasy version of Shiva, where she might seem cold and uncaring (she has complete dominion over Ice), and yet Shiva is easily one of the kindest, nicest, and most compassionate Eidolons/Espers/Aeons/Primals etc. Had Freeze found a way to save Nora, I have no doubt that he would have been all too willing to help Batman when he needed it, especially if it was because of Batman's help that Freeze was able to save Nora. Freeze isn't really evil at heart, he's a sad and broken man who only wants to save the woman he loves. Find a way to save Nora and ensure she can live a long and healthy life, and Freeze would almost certainly turn his back on his criminal ways and do what he can to help others.
@@gggris2960 Batman TAS didn't just do the same thing. It was the one that came up with this new tragic backstory for Freeze. Without the animated series, this arkham version of Freeze wouldn't exist
Love the subtle hint to Mr. Freeze continuing to consistently adapt to his weaknesses like in Arkham City with his new character design. Such as his freeze cannon now being fastened into his suit after his gun was stolen by Cobblepot.
@@elijahwood9530 "Did you know that in Batman: Arkham Knight, Mr. Freeze's new suit includes a freeze cannon fastened into his suit. After his original cannon was stolen by the Penguin in Batman: Arkham City! Because Mr. Freeze learns from his mistakes!"
Its pretty poetic that their relationship will deteriorates like the iceburg. But while it lasted it was beautiful. I feel for victor that shit is crucial as fuck. He is just a loving man scorned by the stars.
@@mageeaaron2624 Thanks man , I never got to play such games but saw its walkthrough 3 years ago and was confused due to the suit being used here . Hopefully someday I get a chance to play it.
being a passenger in the batmobile must be wild. like imagine getting strapped to a small compartment, not being able to move in somewhat of darkness, just going through random horrible bumps without knowing if you would ever get out again
She probably caught up on current events considering batman has the tech for something equivalent of mobile entertainment in the compartment if they so wished. Also it looks like its suspended, perhaps it reduces shaking and bumping.
Everything about Victor is so relatable. If my wife of 23 years, whom I have been friends with since we were children, was dying and I had a chance to save her, I would do anything, pay any price for that chance. Victor isn't evil; he's insane with grief and consumed by the desire to save the one person who means everything to him.
@@Whatsabird I really don't think he is though. He's desperate, heartbroken, watching someone he loves die when he knows he can do something about it if he just had time. Sure, he could do it the more legal route, but with all of the red tape, politics etc that would take, he'd never live long enough to do it. He's a desperate man fighting against time to save the only person in his life that matters to him. He does the wrong thing for the right reasons, because he sees no other way of doing it. Honestly, he's a deeply tragic character. Without Nora, there is no Mr. Freeze. Everything he ever did was to save her. Once she's gone, I think he just disappears.
Ehhh….killing innocent people to save the one you love is a pretty atrocious, and absurdly selfish thing to do. How many wives, and husbands do you think Victor took from their significant others in his quest to save Nora? Anyones loved one would be disgusted with the other if they found out they murdered innocent people to save them.
It really is amazing how in comic history, Mr. Freeze went from just one of Batman's many "joke villains" to one of Batman's most complex and deeply sympathetic anti-villains
All thanks to Batman: The Animated Series. This where Mr. Freeze was rewritten to be a complex and relatable character. The comics were wise to adapt that change.
He's just a man who cares so much about his wife he's willing to do whatever it takes to try and save her, sometimes struggling to justify what he's doing. He doesn't have many hidden motives or quirks so I wouldn't really call him a complex character.
Sometimes is is a matter of getting the right Creative Team to work with the character. An example of this is Aquaman, in the right hands he is an outstanding character, but unfortunately if not you get "The Superfriends."
@@Solitaire001 Oh totally. This entirely my personal bias, but I loved Gail Simone's take on Barbra Gordon/Oracle during Simone's run on _Birds of Prey._ I know a lot of people criticized authors for not having someone in the DC universe heal Barbra's injury following the events of _The Killing Joke,_ but I genuinely loved Simone's take on a character finding ways to do what they're passionate about and helping people despite a life changing injury. Other interpretations of Barbra Gordon have been very hit or miss.
@@hfar_in_the_sky In an issue of "JLA" someone asked Barbara which she doesn't get cybernetics to regain her ability to walk. She said she didn't want to become a cyborg. Considering the number of people who have taken that route (Cyborg, Robotman, a member of The Secret Six) it is a reasonable question to ask.
I cried the first time I played this DLC. Mr. Freeze isn't exactly evil, he is just doing the wrong things for a right cause... Now he has spent decades to cure his wife and for what? Everything destroyed and his wife didn't even want to be saved anymore for a long time. Even then she still loves him and wants nothing more than spend her last days with him.
Man that's actually really heartbreaking. Nora gets to live only in days, not a year, not a couple of months, but days. Imagine spending the last remaining days with the person you love most and then living the rest of your days without them, while unable to reverse the damage you done in trying to save them in the first place. Man I wish Freeze actually had a happy ending, in a way he does. He manages to get closure with his wife.
I imagine that after Nora died of her disease a few days after 'Arkham Knight''s ending, Freeze promptly either: (1) killed himself, or (2) he died due to the wasting effects of his "core temperature lowered" condition (in this game, unlike in the last couple, he seems to have necrotic patches on his face, probably as a mythology gag to how his condition eventually decayed his body in TAS which could also hint that the same has started to happen to him in the 'Arkham' games continuity only without his head surviving).
The irony of Frieze's situation is that in basically every incarnation its always Batman who helps protect his wife Nora, and helps to save her. Frieze may be a lunatic but he also is one of the few among Batman's Rogue's Gallery who is actually going to the lengths that he is in order to save his wife and thus has a "Good Reason" for what he is doing. This is primarily where in all his forms Victor always realizes that in the end Batman is actually his closest ally in solving the problem for which he has motivated. He knows that he can actually Trust Batman when he gives his word to do something.
The new 52 version was so wrong😑 They made Victor another crazy and Nora’s some random frozen woman Freeze became obsessed with, it was just terrible. This is the only way to make Freeze cool :)
There are three types of Batman villains -the kind that break out of Arkham Asylum -the kind that break out of Black Gate prison -and the kind that break our hearts
I like that even after all Victor has done and become, Nora still chooses to stay with him in her final days alive. She could’ve been angry, she’s been frozen for awhile and deserved to feel that way. But instead she was sad because of what Victor became just for her. I hope it’s revealed that they made the most of their time together.
I'm still blown away by Nora's model and performance. She stands out among a game of standouts. I simply fell in love with her character, realized after so long a frozen entity in the games. The closeup of her teary, bloodshot eyes felt next-generation good. Their final dialogue is simply beautiful. Who knows how much time any of us have? And then SCREEECH. They go from one of the most poignant moments back to the main gameplay with an offhand transition. Batman's like, "Yeah, we won't hear from them again. Moving-right-along, Alfred. What's next?" It makes me laugh every time.
Y'know, I've always had a feeling that Mr. Freeze and Batman know each other on a personal level too. Freeze is the only real human villain in his lineup, and has the absolute best backstory of any villain I've seen in a comic book. Maybe he works so well with Bruce, because he - as Victor - know who is behind the mask. Who else would be able to fund, invent or cooperate with a man like Freeze? Hence why he doesn't always immediately resort to violence. He's the only villain who - if they called him "Bruce" - it genuinely wouldn't shock me that he knew.
Arkham knight kills me because so many of the storylines teased from Arkham city had really disappointing and rushed endings. But they absolutely nailed the ending to Mr.Freeze and Nora
I always thought they nailed a lot of the continuity from Arkham City like Riddler/Catwoman/Batman, Mr Freeze, Joker being locked away in the back of Batman's mind etc. I didn't like the whole "Red Hood is Arkham Knight" or "Barbara Gordon gets turned into a mary sue type character" since in the comics, it's pretty much shown that Barbara can fend for herself.
@@GenGamesUniverse I think the message there for Barbara was that even if you're capable of defending yourself, being crippled still has massive disadvantages, one being the obvious one, mobility. Take that away then what the hell can Barbara do? Crawl away if she gets caught without a weapon. As for the Red Hood thing... people pretty much saw that coming BEFORE the damn reveal they pretty much deduced that the Arkham Knight was Red Hood when they first saw him because of the way he was acting and the lines he was saying.
@@GenGamesUniverse I thought they made it pretty clear that Barbara wasn't defenceless, she actually manages to leave a clue for Batman to follow after forcing the vehicle transporting her to crash, that doesn't sound defenceless to me
Hope they will, and put a competent cast of writers and directors behind it. But for now, we only have Batman : SubZero (a movie which takes place in the BTAS universe I think).
this is why batman is the best. he's always got the big picture in mind, and treats even murdered with compassion. he's on a first name basis with his enemies, and is willing to help them out if its the right thing to do. its actually quite inspiring.
I don't think Mr Freeze is a villain. He's made mistakes to be sure. But any man wanting to protect and save their loved ones would certainly make the same choices right? Are we humans really that transparent that we'd condemn a man who is desperate to cure his wife's illness?
.. I hope that one day, Victor Fries gets his happy ending. He's the first of the Rogues I felt legitimately sorry for, and that guy above everyone else deserves to get his wife back.
Agreed. In nearly all incarnations of Batman, Fries never got a happy ending. The closest he ever got, was in his Animated Movie Debt, where Nora was confirmed to have survived and received emergency treatment to allow her to live... But it's a Bittersweet ending, considering that Fries could no longer be with her due to his crimes, the movie ending with Fries just... Crying Tears of Joy to just _Know_ his Beloved Nora got to live... Then limping back into the Arctic, back into self-imposed exile. That was Victor Fries' "Happiest Ending"... The Knowledge his Beloved Nora lived... But due to his Crimes, he could not be with her.
@@Victor-056 And I still think he deserves a true happy ending, though to be fair, at least in that film he got to see that Nora was okay. Though here's the question: How WOULD one go about giving him his happiness and a redemption arc?
@@thegameknight8916 if Nora illness was cured and in no danger of death we'd see a much happier version of Mr Freeze...maybe even become a crime fighter or help others with his medical expertise as his redemption to make up for all the crimes he's commited. But then again in almost all incarnations Victors condition means he's not compatiable with most of the world and/or unable to survive without his suit....so the real way Victor and Nora would have their happy ending is if she develops a similar condition with ice based powers and they both live together in a cold climate country
And yet a lot of people always say the story in Arkham knight is terrible. I know this small scene doesn't reflect the story as a whole, but it's little moments like this where I am like what?? The story is really good in this game. And this isn't the only scene like this. I think Arkham Knight had a great story!!
I like how at the end, batman just.. leaves them to their moment. Even the look in his eyes soften a bit there before he grapples out of there. No need for him to be a third wheel.
I think that was because in a way he related to Freeze because he reminded him of well himself when he was a kid when he lost his parents, that's why he's even Batman to begin with because of a promise he made to I'm guessing either his mother or father before that night.
"I don't want you to die Nora" "Then let me live" It's never about time.... it's about the moments... never worry about the time you have left. Live, for the moments
First at all Batfleck was the worst. Looked cool - but uninspiring, boring bs Secondly, thats bot even his suit. Its the suit from batman dark knight returns. Where he plays an older batman
@@Akhtar93 nope that's definitely the suit from Batman v Superman: Dawn of Zack Snyder's Justice League. It's very similar because the suit design is one of the many things BvS took from that one Frank Miller Batman story that's really bad but people like for some reason.
Victor Fries is one of those rare villains that holds the potential for redemption. All he wanted was to save his dying wife and was the victim of a corrupt, selfish man who preached humanitarianism while hypocritically looking at only for himself and the next highest dollar. And what's worse is the damage done to his body keeps him frozen in another sense. He cannot move forward and find someone else. Longing for somebody frozen alive while he, himself, cannot survive outside of a subzero environment. Every single one of his crimes is aimed at the possibility of a cure for his wife. And it's never about trying to find a cure for his own condition; the fact that he holds his wife's well-being above his own is a very redeeming quality. I sincerely wish they find a way to make this ending to his story on the big screen. They really screwed him up on Gotham. Maurice LaMarche did a fantastic job as Victor the cool duality of the dispassionate and passionate tone of voice was just so spot on with Michael Ansara from BTAS.
He would go so far to save his wife, but his wife is willing to throw her chance to live away just so he can live and have a life and be the man she fell in love with. Their story always makes me want to cry
This is a Batman villain i want to see in the next movie, he's complex, intimidating, but above all relatable. It really put in perspective just how far one man will go to save the one he loves, but also gives a warning about becoming something that could destroy the very thing we're trying to save. I really hope they Give Freeze a decent chance and to give him the respect that his character deserves.
doubt it cause thats hollywood that wants to mess up for the sake of money and other things and with warner bros screwing up as well, they'll just say that he murdered his wife and with harley quinn with nora having sex with zeus id say that show is appalling
Victor is the most terrifying of villains to face, he is not born of rage but rather compassion and love for his wife, a force to be reckoned with, simply cause as you fight him you know he’s simply a broken man that took a wrong turn and feels as if he’s too far not actually a evil person
Just here as a reminder that all this story was thrown out the door for harely to say a funny one liner and shoot bruce in the head on a park bench. Kevin Conroys last roll.
It wasn’t Kevin’s last role and using Kevin is bad , in general them killing of Arkham batman one of the most iconic video game characters ever in a sour way was a very bad decision.
It isn't. And that BvS suit was perhaps the worst live-action Batman suit I've ever seen. Hell, even Batfleck was horrible as Batman. Come to think about it, there was *nothing* good about that entire movie except the fact it ended.
My only complaint about the beyond suit is that there’s no cape. Yes I know Batman beyond isn’t suppose to have a cape, but to me Batman doesn’t look right without it.
i still think we need a live action batman movie where while suited up instead of the actor dropping and shifting his voice they just dub over him with kevin conroy
Honestly, even though the final tank fight was extremely short, it was so intense. Batman who keeps fighting against a never ending tank attack until all explode and goes blank was so epic.
From what I’ve read, Freeze finally managed to heal Nora, but she’s been frozen like that for so long that she’s basically come down with the same condition as her husband. Only instead of focusing on being reunited with him, and holding on for a treatment that could restore their bodies to normal, she decided to drag the rest of the world down to Absolute Zero with her. So Mr Freeze is now teaming up with Batman to stop her. Ouch! Talk about a cold snap!
A character can most certainly be a villain even though they have honorable intentions that are not inherently evil. Sometimes the most dangerous villains of all fall into this category... because they justify the actions they take by believing the thing they're fighting for is a noble cause. The type of people that believe the ends always justify the means. For example... Darth Vader, Roy Batty, Tyler Durden, Magneto, Light Yagami, Killmonger, Bill the Butcher, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc..... And in real life this represents most criminals too. Most people who've ever committed evil or morally questionable acts thought they were doing something righteous or justifiable. Otherwise they would've never done it. And that's the point! Most people are unfortunately prone to think they're the heroes of their own little worlds... and they very often disguise this as "Well I'm just a tough guy who can make the tough decisions"... sound familiar? Because they're everywhere across the world! And its totally fine to feel empathy for them in the regard if you feel sorry for them. But it doesn't change the fact that they deserve to be punished if they commit an immoral act.
Everyone have correct intentions according to their own selves. It takes a good heart and mind to have real good intentions and morally right way to achieve it.
Ends do justify means though. Look at the Nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. How many innocent civilians melted away that day? but it's okay because "Land invasion would take more lives" America is still seen as a hero. Japanese people think Americans are their friends nowadays. thousands that melted away in that massive warcrime got justified by the end. So why should any human stop trying? it's only unjustifiable if you fail. as long as you get to your objective you can cover over it all and walk away into a happy life.
@@ayyylmao101 except that belief also presumes that any religion has it right. If there's something more than a cessation of consciousness, I highly doubt any belief system has it 100% accurate, let alone that it would magically line up with our human morals.
The Arkham series had so many emotional scenes. Harley mourning Jokers death, then Ivy’s death where Ina. Way she redeemed herself by literally saving Gotham and then this scene. This scene rlly is amazing. Nora just asking to spend her moments with Victor was so cool to see. What’s cool about the Arkham series is how Harley became worse after Jokers death or leaving him and Freeze was presented in a more humane way.
The fact that every recent Freeze depictions keeps the main conflict, but always has new ways of making tragedy is always my favorite part of the character, seeing how many ways he can suffer, only for him to never give up hope for Nora, even when it is making him a villain is truly emotional seeing all the ways they go about with his conflicts, especially when the conflict of this one is him losing Nora because he didn’t want to hunt Batman!
What I love about the Batman: Arkham series is they bring so much justice to the source material while maintaining comic-book accuracy. I never played Arkham Knight, but this final scene is amazing. It's a scene we'll probably never see in a Batman movie since the movies try to be too realistic these days. It's a scene that's like a comeback from the mess of Batman & Robin, and shows why Mr Freeze appeared to be a villain, and it humanises him. The dialogue between him and Nora is a tragic love story, with the line "then let me live" being so powerful. Batman has always been important to me, and with DC still yet to get it's films consistently right, Batman: Arkham has done so much for me.
The animated series is responsible for this style of victor freeze, and it's fitting since these games are written by the man who made that series so legendary.
Bats probably didn't see him as a threat. Freeze only has a few days to spend with his wife, so it's extremely unlikely that he'll squander that by doing something stupid.
I do love how this was so much better a conclusion than the animated movie where they successfully cured Nora. They cannot have a happy ending. That's just not how this story works. Nora has been dead for a long time. Victor simply cannot let her go. In this, they get a brief epilogue together before finally ending together. My take was that when Nora passed on, Victor simply turned off his suit and willingly died himself.
It's heartbreaking to know that despite all his efforts, there is no happy ending for Victor and Nora. All they can do is spend what little time they have left alive together.
That's technically the default name for the female sole survivor, but if you choose a name from the list of names, the characters will call you by that name instead.
I’m glad they did this. Gives closure for fans. Mr Freeze has always been a tragic villain. What he did, he did out of love and desperation. Something many people can sympathize with (or empathize, I always get them mixed up). And I’m glad he didn’t even want to fight him. He knows Batman isn’t his enemy, that he’s helped him many times and is his best shot at getting Nora back. It’s just too bad it couldn’t have been a happier ending for Victor and Nora. But days together is worth more than a 1,000 years waiting.
I wish we can mod this where after Nora says "Time has never been on our side Victor" Batman starts crying. And the player wouldn't know it was modded so they get confused.
As much as I want them to be cured, her of her illness and him of his frozen condition, I think having them pass on together is ok too. Her passing from her illness and Victor holding her close with the warmth he hasn't felt in years. Both being freed from their cold prison. 💙-❤️
This is my favorite take on Freeze and Nora. They really are people who had unfortunate luck. The only villain Batman’s vengeance could not truly defeat.
This DLC is probably my favourite in the whole arkham series Mr Freeze is one of my favourite villains of all time ever since the animated series and it always made me emotional that this man did everything to save his wife he was wrong but I understood his anger and I pitied him. Seeing a form of conclusion for the two of them made me happy that these two can spend what time they had together. I don't think Arkham Knight is a masterclass story to tie up the end of the arkham series but the DLC I think really did the game a world of good especially for my boy.
every time i think about freeze, i just wanna cry. like he goes so far for so much but penguin and joker wouldnt ever really do that for someone
I am literally BEGGING they do Mr. Freeze storyline for The Batman sequel. Pattinson would hit it out of the park with Victor as his main adversary. Freeze has a perfect combination of brains, passion, love, and depth a villain needs. Victor is a character that's easily relatable that will do anything for his wife and I think Batman absolutely understands that because his entire existence fighting crime and everything is to honor his family name. Like Dominic Toretto says, "Nothing is stronger than family."
@@EthanHinde it'd also be an incredibly interesting dynamic for this batman, because he's already seen gotham at it's lowest and most depraved, Mr. Freeze could serve as a reminder that some of these people are like, human
@@EthanHinde Pattinson plays Batman dude they would have to find another actor for mr.freeze.
@@onedeadnig6513 lmfao I know that, I’m saying he would work great with whoever they cast as Freeze, like Bale vs Heath Ledger type
In the case of Joker as the memorable quote says: Some men, just want to watch the world burn.
Freeze in the Arkham games was hardly a Villain. He wasn’t crazy, he wasn’t evil. He was simply willing to do whatever it takes to save his wife
Well, he's killed a bunch of innocents in *Origins* , but in the other games he was indeed not that bad.
@@randallflagg3700 I don’t even remember origins lol
When you simplify anything ,it becomes easy to do it. Including killing.
If bruce would question him outside of the batman persona and fund his research, I feel like Freeze wouldnt be much of a villain at all
that's what makes a villain
I still think it’s wholesome that when Mr.Freeze is caught and arrested Batman moves his research equipment to Arkham so he can keep finding a cure just under supervision
I still question why he is in Arkham. He's not insane, just unethical and desperate.
@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 dude turned himself and his wife in to human popcicles because he cant handle his wife's illness
that dosent sound insane to you?
Freeze was betrayed by the greedy owner of Gothcorp, he never willingly became a popsicle.
@@wolfscareglow2425 No, if he hadn't froze her, she would have died. He is delaying her death in hopes of finding a cure. And, he didn't intensionally turn himself into that. He has a logical reason for what he is doing and has a grip on reality. The odds might not be great, but it's not impossible either. He's desperately clinging to a slim hope using unethical methods. He deserves to be in prison, not in an insane asylum. Gotham doesn't just have Arkham to hold criminals.
@@sonniepronounceds-au-ni9287 i think it might legit just be for him to continue research as most state prisons or jails don't have the labs to do that stuff in
Always love that Mr. Freeze is the only villain that Batman can talk any sense into
For me he's not a villain at all. More like a man who will do anything for his wife whatever it takes.
@@lhanzejaredcarpio6037 ehhhhh he still brutally murders people. Definitely a villain. Good motives evil person.
Well he is villain because he is trying to Cure his wive anyway, and Is The Only Bassed Villain In Batman History
Bad motive.
@@MylesKillis The most evil has been done with good intent.
It's heartbreaking how the reason this starts off is that Freeze respected Batman enough after the events of Arkham City to not want to take up arms against him again. He was done fighting Batman and saw him as probably the closest thing to a friend he had in the world. I do wish we had a gotten one final piece of dialogue between Freeze and Batman where they could say "thank you" to one another and share their mutual respect. Batman deserved to hear that from him
I like to think its like batman begins ending where Gordon says "I never said thank you" and Batman says "youll never have to"
Imagine you’re Freeze trying to accept that your wife, who you have worked so hard to save, is going to die soon, and Batman just walks up like “You didn’t say thank you, Victor….”
It was better to leave him be. By opening his helmet, Freeze prove that he is going with her to death. That will be his thank you to Batman, letting him die in peace with his beloved wife.
Batman did something similar with a few versions of Joe Chill: letting him die in peace, knowing that he regretted his actions that night and that it haunted him just as much as it does Bruce still. Sometimes without knowing he created Batman, sometimes knowing he did, but no matter what it still gave him peace all without having to say the words.
This looks like a rip off of Arkham city. We already reunited freeze with Nora by finding where joker took her body then backtracking to freeze to have him then go find her, only for the next game to do this all over again. Never played Arkham night cause it was such a duster when it originally released but Jesus, this looks like recycled scripts to the max. Lazy AF
@@Lawrence_Talbot you really have no idea what you are talking about do you
I dig the tragic irony that the coldest villain in Gotham is purely motivated by love
Except the Joker
For a man who often says he feels nothing, he never stops loving Nora.
In most depictions, at least.
How come Batman/Bruce never offer to help Freeze? he could have offered him a job and pay for Nora to stay at the best hospital
@@latricehylton8093 Because Nora's illness is said to be incurable
"I failed you. I wish there were another way for me to say it. I cannot. I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace... someplace where a warm hand waits for mine."
Bruh 💔
And in the end, he found it. Yes, it's cruel that fate will always have Mr. Freeze die, but would you rather he die slowly and alone?
@@ivanivan744 The worst part is, the Batman TAS continuity moves into Batman Beyond... and Freeze's appearance there doesn't give him a happy ending. Tragic to the last breath.
@@Blazieth "You've got to get out of here, Freeze. This whole place is gonna blow!"
"Believe me, you're the only one who cares"
Chills, pun intended
It’s fukn pain dawg
Batman’s reaction to the termination of this villains story is one of the many great things about the scene. When it’s all over-he says nothing. He simply leaves them with each other.
They have a limited time left, Batman knew to just let them spend their last moments together with no interruptions.
Less is more. So many modern games could learn from some of the Arkham series' design and scripting choices.
I bet batman could have cured her
@@hajimehinata5854 if he could, he would. Unfortunately, Nora Fries is a tragic story.
@@drewthelegend ngl the feats of intellect batman is capable of really makes me wonder if he could have actually cured her tho, but maybe Akham games batman is less capable
I think that this might be the most lines of dialogue Nora has had in the entirety of her existence as a character. Normally she's just a plot device to motivate Freeze.
There are times where she betrays Freeze too
Harley Quinn animated series would have a word.
@@Crynasful yeah not really a great show to qualify
@@Crynasful I love that show.
Nora should have been the origin of the term "fridging", instead of the one panel in a Green Lantern comic where his girlfriend is killed.
But, you can't expect third wave feminists to do any research.
God man this is such a heartbreaking storyline. TAS hit a homerun when they rewrote his backstory.
Smartest move that lasts still to this day because of how heartbreaking it is for someone trying to save someone the love and forced into the life of a criminal to do it because of corrupt business men.
Wait there is another "origin" story to Mr. Freeze?
@@DaviHorner one that he’s obsessed with a corpse from a woman who died in the 40’s I believe. And there’s the original Mr. Freeze from before the backstory about Nora was added that I don’t know about.
@@DaviHorner yea just like wolverine’s first origin was that he was a mutated wolverine
@@DaviHorner Originally Mr. Freeze was really just a villain with cheesy ice-related jokes. He didn't have the "tragic" back story that TAS invented to make his character more compelling. TAS was probably the best thing to happen to Batman. They also invented Harley Quinn.
It would be a cool storyline to have Dr. Fries actually manage to save his wife, and become an ally to Batman in the future. He always seemed like one of the only few Batman villains who could be redeemed. All the others are psychos are sociopaths but he just wants to save the one person he loves.
That would be awesome!
Not true 50 percent of batman's villians are insane but can be cured they're not straight up psychopaths none are take man bat as an example he was a sane normal person before he accidentally killed his wife and turned himself into a bat in a lab accident he locked himself up as a punishment for that when batman turned him into a human again even joker was cured of his insanity in some comic versions mainly because batman gave him hope that "that one bad day" Is not a fatal joke and that there's hope for him Deathstroke is at heart not the worst person he's a mercenary and a killer but he values his family over everything even himself he is pretty honorable as well all of these are redeeming qualities Deadshot has all of these qualities too batman's villians are much more redeemable than you think that's one of the reasons batman didn't give up his no kill code.
Dr. Fries? Hell yeah!
He probably wouldn't though.
All he cares about is Nora. He'd spend his days with and would probably prefer not to involve himself with supervillians.
@@magicjewel96 Don't mean as some kinda partner in crime but a professional Doctor who Batman could go to when stumped with a difficult situation beyond his expertise.
Arkham really humanized Freeze. He’s cold but a pretty warm heart. All he wanted was his wife to be alive.
Honestly, I see a nice parallel between Freeze & the Final Fantasy version of Shiva, where she might seem cold and uncaring (she has complete dominion over Ice), and yet Shiva is easily one of the kindest, nicest, and most compassionate Eidolons/Espers/Aeons/Primals etc.
Had Freeze found a way to save Nora, I have no doubt that he would have been all too willing to help Batman when he needed it, especially if it was because of Batman's help that Freeze was able to save Nora. Freeze isn't really evil at heart, he's a sad and broken man who only wants to save the woman he loves. Find a way to save Nora and ensure she can live a long and healthy life, and Freeze would almost certainly turn his back on his criminal ways and do what he can to help others.
There was a movie in from the batman animated series that did the same thing. That one hits hard as well.
@@gggris2960 Batman TAS didn't just do the same thing. It was the one that came up with this new tragic backstory for Freeze. Without the animated series, this arkham version of Freeze wouldn't exist
That's that Paul Dini magic, I know he didn't write this one but his influence is there
Oh god the puns
This is the definition of the saying "As a kid you loved the heroes, as an adult you understand the villains".
If a villain is wrote skillfully you understand him, but you still wouldn't take his side.
@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheese phrasing dude. Correct in motivation? Yes. Correct in response? Fuck no!
@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheese what the heck?
@JL-XrtaMayoNoCheese but what makes you think that way?
As a kid i loved villans and still do
Love the subtle hint to Mr. Freeze continuing to consistently adapt to his weaknesses like in Arkham City with his new character design. Such as his freeze cannon now being fastened into his suit after his gun was stolen by Cobblepot.
Because Mr. Freeze learns from his mistakes.
@@elijahwood9530 yes he does. Do you?
@@LuisEduardo-xm3tc shut up
@@daddy_1453 and i was making a mr freeze reference from arkham city. Freeze says "i learn from my mistakes Batman. Do you?"
@@elijahwood9530 "Did you know that in Batman: Arkham Knight, Mr. Freeze's new suit includes a freeze cannon fastened into his suit. After his original cannon was stolen by the Penguin in Batman: Arkham City! Because Mr. Freeze learns from his mistakes!"
I love this side mission. Mr. Freeze is one of my favorite villains. It's beautiful and sad. However, his love for his wife puts a smile on my face.
Its pretty poetic that their relationship will deteriorates like the iceburg. But while it lasted it was beautiful. I feel for victor that shit is crucial as fuck. He is just a loving man scorned by the stars.
Ibdont think she should be raised
Cause victors problem is that she wont let go
Which game is this?
@@adityabhaskersrivastava5494 Batman: Arkham Knight
@@mageeaaron2624 Thanks man , I never got to play such games but saw its walkthrough 3 years ago and was confused due to the suit being used here . Hopefully someday I get a chance to play it.
being a passenger in the batmobile must be wild. like imagine getting strapped to a small compartment, not being able to move in somewhat of darkness, just going through random horrible bumps without knowing if you would ever get out again
She probably caught up on current events considering batman has the tech for something equivalent of mobile entertainment in the compartment if they so wished. Also it looks like its suspended, perhaps it reduces shaking and bumping.
Where do i sign up?!
Probably don't feel anything, the Batmobile must have the best shock absorbers around.
Or knowing if it’s a bumpy road or something else
@@velnz5475 I'd still put them in a neck brace.
Everything about Victor is so relatable. If my wife of 23 years, whom I have been friends with since we were children, was dying and I had a chance to save her, I would do anything, pay any price for that chance. Victor isn't evil; he's insane with grief and consumed by the desire to save the one person who means everything to him.
you poor guys, no female is worth any of your time. if given the chance they will leg spread like crazy
I'm pretty sure he's evil, just not as evil as joker or the rest of the rouges
@@Whatsabird I really don't think he is though. He's desperate, heartbroken, watching someone he loves die when he knows he can do something about it if he just had time. Sure, he could do it the more legal route, but with all of the red tape, politics etc that would take, he'd never live long enough to do it. He's a desperate man fighting against time to save the only person in his life that matters to him. He does the wrong thing for the right reasons, because he sees no other way of doing it. Honestly, he's a deeply tragic character. Without Nora, there is no Mr. Freeze. Everything he ever did was to save her. Once she's gone, I think he just disappears.
Ehhh….killing innocent people to save the one you love is a pretty atrocious, and absurdly selfish thing to do. How many wives, and husbands do you think Victor took from their significant others in his quest to save Nora? Anyones loved one would be disgusted with the other if they found out they murdered innocent people to save them.
@@leoneguardo905 Yeah, it's atrocious. There's no excuse for his actions.
It's still relatable. That's different from being justified.
It really is amazing how in comic history, Mr. Freeze went from just one of Batman's many "joke villains" to one of Batman's most complex and deeply sympathetic anti-villains
All thanks to Batman: The Animated Series. This where Mr. Freeze was rewritten to be a complex and relatable character. The comics were wise to adapt that change.
He's just a man who cares so much about his wife he's willing to do whatever it takes to try and save her, sometimes struggling to justify what he's doing. He doesn't have many hidden motives or quirks so I wouldn't really call him a complex character.
Sometimes is is a matter of getting the right Creative Team to work with the character. An example of this is Aquaman, in the right hands he is an outstanding character, but unfortunately if not you get "The Superfriends."
@@Solitaire001 Oh totally. This entirely my personal bias, but I loved Gail Simone's take on Barbra Gordon/Oracle during Simone's run on _Birds of Prey._ I know a lot of people criticized authors for not having someone in the DC universe heal Barbra's injury following the events of _The Killing Joke,_ but I genuinely loved Simone's take on a character finding ways to do what they're passionate about and helping people despite a life changing injury.
Other interpretations of Barbra Gordon have been very hit or miss.
@@hfar_in_the_sky In an issue of "JLA" someone asked Barbara which she doesn't get cybernetics to regain her ability to walk. She said she didn't want to become a cyborg. Considering the number of people who have taken that route (Cyborg, Robotman, a member of The Secret Six) it is a reasonable question to ask.
"I don't want you to die, Nora."
"Then let me live."
I doubt there were any dry eyes by that point in the mission.
"Dry eyes" 💀
Didn’t want them tears to freeze
@@oleoleanderson NOW THATS...FUNNY
Borrowed Fresh Prince quote; same thing Uncle Phil tells his Mama
I cried the first time I played this DLC. Mr. Freeze isn't exactly evil, he is just doing the wrong things for a right cause... Now he has spent decades to cure his wife and for what? Everything destroyed and his wife didn't even want to be saved anymore for a long time. Even then she still loves him and wants nothing more than spend her last days with him.
Mr Freeze is evil, idiot.
Both of them actually
Both need the freeze to live.
I just cried right now when they were standing on the boat. Damn man. Really great writing
what game is this?
@@misaelfraga8196 Arkham Knight
The amazing thing is that Bruce gets it. "If you trust them, Victor, take the shot." Chills.
Bruce knows Victor isnt evil like other villians he's usually up against. he also gives a similar choice to Azreal
My favorite part of that scene is that Victor quietly takes a moment to consider what Batman said before lowering his freeze ray; he's thoughtful.
@@benjaminryder770 Then he looks on the verge of tears & begs Batman to find Nora. That part got me a little.
Yes "Chills". Literally LOL
Truly one of the most tragic villains, all he wanted was saving his wife.
Man that's actually really heartbreaking. Nora gets to live only in days, not a year, not a couple of months, but days. Imagine spending the last remaining days with the person you love most and then living the rest of your days without them, while unable to reverse the damage you done in trying to save them in the first place. Man I wish Freeze actually had a happy ending, in a way he does. He manages to get closure with his wife.
He could have gotten children either through mad science or adoption, if he wanted to honor her memory.
@@jamesestrella5911 possibly froze her eggs but that's a catch...he couldn't ever have bio kids now...
It's sort of implied that Victor likely let himself die after Nora does, with his suit being damaged and her being his own reason for living.
I imagine that after Nora died of her disease a few days after 'Arkham Knight''s ending, Freeze promptly either: (1) killed himself, or (2) he died due to the wasting effects of his "core temperature lowered" condition (in this game, unlike in the last couple, he seems to have necrotic patches on his face, probably as a mythology gag to how his condition eventually decayed his body in TAS which could also hint that the same has started to happen to him in the 'Arkham' games continuity only without his head surviving).
Sometimes the happiest ending you can get is to die on your own terms, living life to the fullest with what you've got left.
The irony of Frieze's situation is that in basically every incarnation its always Batman who helps protect his wife Nora, and helps to save her. Frieze may be a lunatic but he also is one of the few among Batman's Rogue's Gallery who is actually going to the lengths that he is in order to save his wife and thus has a "Good Reason" for what he is doing. This is primarily where in all his forms Victor always realizes that in the end Batman is actually his closest ally in solving the problem for which he has motivated. He knows that he can actually Trust Batman when he gives his word to do something.
Well, not ALL forms - just the ones that use his BTAS origin(as opposed to, say his TBAS origin)...
The new 52 version was so wrong😑
They made Victor another crazy and Nora’s some random frozen woman Freeze became obsessed with, it was just terrible.
This is the only way to make Freeze cool :)
"Time has never been on our side victor"
oh the feels hit so hard man
There are three types of Batman villains
-the kind that break out of Arkham Asylum
-the kind that break out of Black Gate prison
-and the kind that break our hearts
And then there’s Egghead
I like that even after all Victor has done and become, Nora still chooses to stay with him in her final days alive. She could’ve been angry, she’s been frozen for awhile and deserved to feel that way. But instead she was sad because of what Victor became just for her. I hope it’s revealed that they made the most of their time together.
I'm still blown away by Nora's model and performance. She stands out among a game of standouts. I simply fell in love with her character, realized after so long a frozen entity in the games. The closeup of her teary, bloodshot eyes felt next-generation good.
Their final dialogue is simply beautiful. Who knows how much time any of us have?
And then SCREEECH. They go from one of the most poignant moments back to the main gameplay with an offhand transition. Batman's like, "Yeah, we won't hear from them again. Moving-right-along, Alfred. What's next?" It makes me laugh every time.
It's like, Batman, dude, can you take a breath here?
Let's be honest Batman doesn't take breaks. Not in the Arkham Games atleast
"...but the war goes on." - Batman, THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS
Y'know, I've always had a feeling that Mr. Freeze and Batman know each other on a personal level too.
Freeze is the only real human villain in his lineup, and has the absolute best backstory of any villain I've seen in a comic book.
Maybe he works so well with Bruce, because he - as Victor - know who is behind the mask. Who else would be able to fund, invent or cooperate with a man like Freeze? Hence why he doesn't always immediately resort to violence. He's the only villain who - if they called him "Bruce" - it genuinely wouldn't shock me that he knew.
Out of all Batman’s rogue gallery, the one person that I always felt sympathy for was Mr. Freeze. Such a heartbreaking story.
the irony of Freeze is that he is supposed to have a heart of ice, when in fact he has the warmest heart out of everyone in Gotham.
Even Batman showed horror witnessing what happened to him.
Watching glaciers collapse as they contemplate their doomed romance, nice touch.
Very much kind of like the Fight Club ending scene and it totall worked!!!
Rocksteady and Suicide Squad can go to hell for what they did to Arkham Batman after this masterpiece of a trilogy.
May as well call it "Sweet Baby Inc" and Suicide Squad because the original Rocksteady left after Arkham Knight.
Arkham knight kills me because so many of the storylines teased from Arkham city had really disappointing and rushed endings. But they absolutely nailed the ending to Mr.Freeze and Nora
I always thought they nailed a lot of the continuity from Arkham City like Riddler/Catwoman/Batman, Mr Freeze, Joker being locked away in the back of Batman's mind etc. I didn't like the whole "Red Hood is Arkham Knight" or "Barbara Gordon gets turned into a mary sue type character" since in the comics, it's pretty much shown that Barbara can fend for herself.
@@GenGamesUniverse I think the message there for Barbara was that even if you're capable of defending yourself, being crippled still has massive disadvantages, one being the obvious one, mobility. Take that away then what the hell can Barbara do? Crawl away if she gets caught without a weapon. As for the Red Hood thing... people pretty much saw that coming BEFORE the damn reveal they pretty much deduced that the Arkham Knight was Red Hood when they first saw him because of the way he was acting and the lines he was saying.
@@GenGamesUniverse I thought they made it pretty clear that Barbara wasn't defenceless, she actually manages to leave a clue for Batman to follow after forcing the vehicle transporting her to crash, that doesn't sound defenceless to me
The saddest storyline of all , wanna cry every time .
If Only DC Universe Makes A Batman Movie With Only Freeze And Batman Damn ... Everybody Gonna Cry Their Soulw Out
no lie reeves said he might. i hope he does.
we getting it..TheBatman sequel
@@2nd_Variable I Hope for A Cold Cast.... Get It? flor The sequel....
Hope they will, and put a competent cast of writers and directors behind it. But for now, we only have Batman : SubZero (a movie which takes place in the BTAS universe I think).
You can see a movie called subzero where freeze is the main villain
this is why batman is the best. he's always got the big picture in mind, and treats even murdered with compassion. he's on a first name basis with his enemies, and is willing to help them out if its the right thing to do. its actually quite inspiring.
No hes not hes let the joker kill millions of people. Hes literally retarded.
I love the symbolism of the ice melting, indicating that Victor's heart is finally warm again.
I don't think Mr Freeze is a villain. He's made mistakes to be sure. But any man wanting to protect and save their loved ones would certainly make the same choices right? Are we humans really that transparent that we'd condemn a man who is desperate to cure his wife's illness?
he's just the embodiment of "the road to hell is paved on good intentions"
he's killed a lot of people.
@@Warcodered01 to be sure he has. He still needed to go to jail for those deaths.
I understand him, but that doesn’t excuse his crimes at all. He still deserves jail.
Agreed!
.. I hope that one day, Victor Fries gets his happy ending.
He's the first of the Rogues I felt legitimately sorry for, and that guy above everyone else deserves to get his wife back.
Yeah i hope he gets a side of veggies too LOLOLO
@@cinnamonsinner4619 victor salad
Agreed.
In nearly all incarnations of Batman, Fries never got a happy ending.
The closest he ever got, was in his Animated Movie Debt, where Nora was confirmed to have survived and received emergency treatment to allow her to live... But it's a Bittersweet ending, considering that Fries could no longer be with her due to his crimes, the movie ending with Fries just... Crying Tears of Joy to just _Know_ his Beloved Nora got to live... Then limping back into the Arctic, back into self-imposed exile.
That was Victor Fries' "Happiest Ending"... The Knowledge his Beloved Nora lived... But due to his Crimes, he could not be with her.
@@Victor-056 And I still think he deserves a true happy ending, though to be fair, at least in that film he got to see that Nora was okay.
Though here's the question: How WOULD one go about giving him his happiness and a redemption arc?
@@thegameknight8916 if Nora illness was cured and in no danger of death we'd see a much happier version of Mr Freeze...maybe even become a crime fighter or help others with his medical expertise as his redemption to make up for all the crimes he's commited.
But then again in almost all incarnations Victors condition means he's not compatiable with most of the world and/or unable to survive without his suit....so the real way Victor and Nora would have their happy ending is if she develops a similar condition with ice based powers and they both live together in a cold climate country
“I don’t want you to die Nora.”
“Then let me live.”
That moment always gets to me.
Almost cried on the bus while watching this
And yet a lot of people always say the story in Arkham knight is terrible. I know this small scene doesn't reflect the story as a whole, but it's little moments like this where I am like what?? The story is really good in this game. And this isn't the only scene like this. I think Arkham Knight had a great story!!
the lady in the backseat of the batcar had experienced the best roller coaster ever
5:05 that shit right there would’ve sent her back to sleep
Best part is Nora had just woken up from cryosleep and her body is probably really sensitive. But yeah, she’s definitely feeling alive now lol
I like how at the end, batman just.. leaves them to their moment. Even the look in his eyes soften a bit there before he grapples out of there. No need for him to be a third wheel.
I think that was because in a way he related to Freeze because he reminded him of well himself when he was a kid when he lost his parents, that's why he's even Batman to begin with because of a promise he made to I'm guessing either his mother or father before that night.
"I don't want you to die Nora"
"Then let me live"
It's never about time.... it's about the moments... never worry about the time you have left.
Live, for the moments
The end of this side mission made me cry. Never thought this part of the game would make me emotional
I deeply appreciate you using Batfleck's suit; kinda feels like we're experiencing a new Batfleck movie with Freeze.
And it works very well !
@@WestLegend03 Yeah i prefer TDKR suit but it just seems so cheap and cheesy compared to everything else. lol
First at all
Batfleck was the worst. Looked cool - but uninspiring, boring bs
Secondly, thats bot even his suit. Its the suit from batman dark knight returns. Where he plays an older batman
@@Akhtar93 nope that's definitely the suit from Batman v Superman: Dawn of Zack Snyder's Justice League. It's very similar because the suit design is one of the many things BvS took from that one Frank Miller Batman story that's really bad but people like for some reason.
Killing Joke?
There’s a reason Batman calls him Victor and not Mr Freeze.
1:25 i love how much trust freeze puts into batman
If there’s one superhero you can trust most to save a life it’s definitely him
Victor Fries is one of those rare villains that holds the potential for redemption. All he wanted was to save his dying wife and was the victim of a corrupt, selfish man who preached humanitarianism while hypocritically looking at only for himself and the next highest dollar. And what's worse is the damage done to his body keeps him frozen in another sense. He cannot move forward and find someone else. Longing for somebody frozen alive while he, himself, cannot survive outside of a subzero environment. Every single one of his crimes is aimed at the possibility of a cure for his wife. And it's never about trying to find a cure for his own condition; the fact that he holds his wife's well-being above his own is a very redeeming quality. I sincerely wish they find a way to make this ending to his story on the big screen. They really screwed him up on Gotham. Maurice LaMarche did a fantastic job as Victor the cool duality of the dispassionate and passionate tone of voice was just so spot on with Michael Ansara from BTAS.
I like Victor Freeze's story better. lol
R.I.P Kevin Conroy(1955-2022)🇺🇸☮️🕊️✝️
He would go so far to save his wife, but his wife is willing to throw her chance to live away just so he can live and have a life and be the man she fell in love with. Their story always makes me want to cry
You have to respect Freeze for the level of love and devotion he has for his wife, it's epic.
This is a Batman villain i want to see in the next movie, he's complex, intimidating, but above all relatable. It really put in perspective just how far one man will go to save the one he loves, but also gives a warning about becoming something that could destroy the very thing we're trying to save. I really hope they Give Freeze a decent chance and to give him the respect that his character deserves.
Freeze really didn't need an Asian lesbian rewrite.
This version of Mr freeze could work in the new Batman movie universe if done right.
don't worry; it won't be done right at all.
@@snowballeffect7812 Cool party.....chill.
doubt it cause thats hollywood that wants to mess up for the sake of money and other things and with warner bros screwing up as well, they'll just say that he murdered his wife and with harley quinn with nora having sex with zeus id say that show is appalling
@@snowballeffect7812dont be a cynic
@@officegossip no thanks.
Victor is the most terrifying of villains to face, he is not born of rage but rather compassion and love for his wife, a force to be reckoned with, simply cause as you fight him you know he’s simply a broken man that took a wrong turn and feels as if he’s too far not actually a evil person
Just here as a reminder that all this story was thrown out the door for harely to say a funny one liner and shoot bruce in the head on a park bench. Kevin Conroys last roll.
It wasn’t Kevin’s last role and using Kevin is bad , in general them killing of Arkham batman one of the most iconic video game characters ever in a sour way was a very bad decision.
@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101 what? It's been literally advertised as Kevin Conroy's last role as Batman
Is it weird that the BvS suit is perfect for this universe along with the beyond suit ?
I dunno about perfect, but to me, a Batsuit will always be great aesthetically.
It isn't. And that BvS suit was perhaps the worst live-action Batman suit I've ever seen. Hell, even Batfleck was horrible as Batman. Come to think about it, there was *nothing* good about that entire movie except the fact it ended.
@@Kronos0999 damn. What batsuit do you like? Do you hate comics or something?😆
@@Kronos0999 his suit is literally comic Batman’s. And Affleck did GREAT considering what he was given. Bad writhing, not bad actor.
My only complaint about the beyond suit is that there’s no cape. Yes I know Batman beyond isn’t suppose to have a cape, but to me Batman doesn’t look right without it.
God I just want one timeline where she can be saved
Batman Sub Zero
You know you’ve earned Batman’s respect when you’re called by your real name and not your criminal one.
Mr Freeze has always been my favorite villian. He just wants to save his wife, and no legitimate means to do so outside crime
Dr. Freeze is the only Batman villain who almost anyone can relate too. A man who became a monster just to save the love of his life.
Kevin Conroy is so good man
i still think we need a live action batman movie where while suited up instead of the actor dropping and shifting his voice they just dub over him with kevin conroy
I like the Arkham games Freeze, he’s more of an antihero and not so much a villain.
Batman seeing Nora and freeze having a sad moment: Damn thats crazy, oh my batwing's here, laterr
If they had sex right on the spot, it wouldn't have been nearly as intimate as that moment.
Bats was just giving them some privacy.
This is very bittersweet, but the best sort of ending for Mr. Freeze and his wife.
Honestly, even though the final tank fight was extremely short, it was so intense. Batman who keeps fighting against a never ending tank attack until all explode and goes blank was so epic.
From what I’ve read, Freeze finally managed to heal Nora, but she’s been frozen like that for so long that she’s basically come down with the same condition as her husband. Only instead of focusing on being reunited with him, and holding on for a treatment that could restore their bodies to normal, she decided to drag the rest of the world down to Absolute Zero with her. So Mr Freeze is now teaming up with Batman to stop her. Ouch! Talk about a cold snap!
A character can most certainly be a villain even though they have honorable intentions that are not inherently evil. Sometimes the most dangerous villains of all fall into this category... because they justify the actions they take by believing the thing they're fighting for is a noble cause. The type of people that believe the ends always justify the means.
For example... Darth Vader, Roy Batty, Tyler Durden, Magneto, Light Yagami, Killmonger, Bill the Butcher, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.....
And in real life this represents most criminals too. Most people who've ever committed evil or morally questionable acts thought they were doing something righteous or justifiable. Otherwise they would've never done it. And that's the point! Most people are unfortunately prone to think they're the heroes of their own little worlds... and they very often disguise this as "Well I'm just a tough guy who can make the tough decisions"... sound familiar? Because they're everywhere across the world!
And its totally fine to feel empathy for them in the regard if you feel sorry for them. But it doesn't change the fact that they deserve to be punished if they commit an immoral act.
Indeed. Especially the ones responsible or intending for mass destruction, like Vergil, Eren, etc.
Everyone have correct intentions according to their own selves. It takes a good heart and mind to have real good intentions and morally right way to achieve it.
Ends do justify means though. Look at the Nuking of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
How many innocent civilians melted away that day? but it's okay because "Land invasion would take more lives"
America is still seen as a hero. Japanese people think Americans are their friends nowadays. thousands that melted away in that massive warcrime got justified by the end.
So why should any human stop trying? it's only unjustifiable if you fail. as long as you get to your objective you can cover over it all and walk away into a happy life.
@@grimmoire5952 Unless you believe in a Judgment Day. Then the covering only lasts until you enter the grave...
@@ayyylmao101 except that belief also presumes that any religion has it right. If there's something more than a cessation of consciousness, I highly doubt any belief system has it 100% accurate, let alone that it would magically line up with our human morals.
The Arkham series had so many emotional scenes. Harley mourning Jokers death, then Ivy’s death where Ina. Way she redeemed herself by literally saving Gotham and then this scene. This scene rlly is amazing. Nora just asking to spend her moments with Victor was so cool to see. What’s cool about the Arkham series is how Harley became worse after Jokers death or leaving him and Freeze was presented in a more humane way.
"Then let me live..." i don't know why that line made me well up. It's just a video game. Must have got something in my eye.
This DLC was so much feels :(
The fact that every recent Freeze depictions keeps the main conflict, but always has new ways of making tragedy is always my favorite part of the character, seeing how many ways he can suffer, only for him to never give up hope for Nora, even when it is making him a villain is truly emotional seeing all the ways they go about with his conflicts, especially when the conflict of this one is him losing Nora because he didn’t want to hunt Batman!
This was when Mr Freeze was still normal.. not like 2024…😂
I cried the first time I played through this part. I usually choke up now and hold back the tears. This scene was beautifully written and voice acted.
What I love about the Batman: Arkham series is they bring so much justice to the source material while maintaining comic-book accuracy. I never played Arkham Knight, but this final scene is amazing. It's a scene we'll probably never see in a Batman movie since the movies try to be too realistic these days. It's a scene that's like a comeback from the mess of Batman & Robin, and shows why Mr Freeze appeared to be a villain, and it humanises him. The dialogue between him and Nora is a tragic love story, with the line "then let me live" being so powerful. Batman has always been important to me, and with DC still yet to get it's films consistently right, Batman: Arkham has done so much for me.
The animated series is responsible for this style of victor freeze, and it's fitting since these games are written by the man who made that series so legendary.
Freeze has got to be the most human villain in the Batman universe. He's just a man that loves his wife and will literally do anything to save her.
I’m happy Batman didn’t arrest him so they could be together
Bats probably didn't see him as a threat. Freeze only has a few days to spend with his wife, so it's extremely unlikely that he'll squander that by doing something stupid.
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I do love how this was so much better a conclusion than the animated movie where they successfully cured Nora.
They cannot have a happy ending. That's just not how this story works. Nora has been dead for a long time. Victor simply cannot let her go.
In this, they get a brief epilogue together before finally ending together. My take was that when Nora passed on, Victor simply turned off his suit and willingly died himself.
It's heartbreaking to know that despite all his efforts, there is no happy ending for Victor and Nora. All they can do is spend what little time they have left alive together.
3:55, even batman is surprised.
Also, I think Alfred is cutting up onions, cause I'm tearing up right now
Fall of icebergs and holding hands remind me of Fight Club's ending.
_slide!_
Makes me appreciate the ending of Batman & Mr Freeze Subzero even more.
Makes me think of “a hero would sacrifice you for the world, but a villain will sacrifice the world for you”. Really fits Freeze’s complexity
Why does this always get me choked up?
Because you like lying.
Because you have a heart
Let's see which opinion is more based in a while.
@@dkkanofkash8798 I'm not sure what that means. Can you elaborate?
@@Watch-Man Thank you; you're very kind.
His actions were so commendable the water started to applause Batman.
A love that stretches across the long lonely years...that will endure in death,and beyond.
When you realise Mr Freeze and Fallout 4's Sole Survivor both had cryogenically frozen wives named Nora.
That's technically the default name for the female sole survivor, but if you choose a name from the list of names, the characters will call you by that name instead.
"Nora, I suppose we can...go home...I've learned of this thing the kids do called Netflix and Chill."
"Time has never been on our side" - Real world quote right there, wife and I feeling it now. Love every day all and smile.
I’m glad they did this. Gives closure for fans. Mr Freeze has always been a tragic villain. What he did, he did out of love and desperation. Something many people can sympathize with (or empathize, I always get them mixed up).
And I’m glad he didn’t even want to fight him. He knows Batman isn’t his enemy, that he’s helped him many times and is his best shot at getting Nora back. It’s just too bad it couldn’t have been a happier ending for Victor and Nora. But days together is worth more than a 1,000 years waiting.
I love that Freeze is only a villain because he'd kill for the one he loves.
Poor guy just went crazy obsessing.
I wish we can mod this where after Nora says "Time has never been on our side Victor" Batman starts crying. And the player wouldn't know it was modded so they get confused.
5:36 I’m super proud 🥹 of Nora confronting him not to be in cryogenics anymore.
As much as I want them to be cured, her of her illness and him of his frozen condition, I think having them pass on together is ok too. Her passing from her illness and Victor holding her close with the warmth he hasn't felt in years. Both being freed from their cold prison. 💙-❤️
People are willing to do anything for their loved ones, even if it corrupts them, or kills them. Mr. Freeze is a tragic but well thought out villain.
This is my favorite take on Freeze and Nora. They really are people who had unfortunate luck. The only villain Batman’s vengeance could not truly defeat.
Since I was a kid I cried cuz I felt for him. I'm a man now and married, this hits harder.
Just here and Kevin Conroy's voice😢
This DLC is probably my favourite in the whole arkham series Mr Freeze is one of my favourite villains of all time ever since the animated series and it always made me emotional that this man did everything to save his wife he was wrong but I understood his anger and I pitied him. Seeing a form of conclusion for the two of them made me happy that these two can spend what time they had together.
I don't think Arkham Knight is a masterclass story to tie up the end of the arkham series but the DLC I think really did the game a world of good especially for my boy.