I used to care about uncertified but i truly only care about certified because my goal is to be able to max out my subs with zero clipping. Clipping burns subs up instantly and when your efficiency goes into the toilet 85% is good 64% can hurt you depending on how big your battery is, but the most important thing is to USE YOUR CLIPPING INDICATORS RELIGIOUSLY. Such a small cheap step can save your setup and let you demo full songs instead of clipping stinking up your subs and blowing subs and worse ..amps!!
You make some valid points, but clipping definitely does not instantly burn up a sub. Most clip indicators come on/flicker at between 0.5% and 1% which means if the clip light starts flickering you can still play it, no problem. You can play it with the clip light solid for a brief amount of time because you will be putting a lot of heat into the sub. People do this all the time in burp competitions. Since the limitation is thermal related, how long you can play with a fully clipped signal is going to depend on how hot the subs are from the beginning. Also, some subwoofers are a lot more beefier and can handle more temperature than other subs. So there's a lot of variables involved.
@@JasonWW2000 what i mean is if you're not using a clipping indicator its incredibly easy to go into hard clipping which in my experience stinks up subs within 30 seconds, when i finally figured out how to keep the power clean i was able to demo for half an hour at a time, yes you can let the light flicker but i still dont fully recommend it i recommend to people to be responsible and upgrade voltage, drop ohm loads, add amps, add subs to achieve your goals. Ive blown many subs and a couple $2500 amps learning this and i never saw anyone preaching this kind of wisdom to me back then and i wish they had cus i went through a lot of money and heartache learning on my own
@@Facekicker- O.M.G., i have 2 amps that they were going to factory repair/high voltage modify, if needed because of a possible mistake on there part, 1- BC8K, and 1- BC17K, i have not heard neither amp. There was miscommunication/understanding on them being 18 volt capable, which on there website when these new models came out in 2018 said good to 19.5volts. When i went to have a shop install my 8k= protect. I called nendo, and said i got 16volt batterys, that charge @ 18 volts, why does your 19.5 volt capable amp go into protect? My 2- Nendo BC 3500s that i took out worked great, but i sold them immediately, so i had no bass. I talked to the owner Navid, and he said we will have to change it on our website to say 17volts from factory. But he said the internal parts are 20volt capable with a high voltage bypass mod they perform @ Nendo before shipping. I said because the website said 19.5, and i had the 2- BC 3500s prior and they worked fine from the factory on 18volts, n he said yes those n the bc 5500s were hi volt capable from the factory. Navid apologized, and i said im contemplating getting another 8k, and having them mod it before leaving, but i decided screw it, i will just get the high volt moded BC17k, so i will just have 1 amp to run my 4-18s, n i will keep the 8k, for a lower volt system. Well i guess when they=Nendo got the Pre-Ordered 17ks in about a month later, my high volt moded BC17k must have gone somewhere else, or just didnt get done. When my local shop hooked it up= Protection😒! What made it worse is this shop closed for 2019 winter right after, and during this time i had become home bound. I have not been out of my upstairs apt. Since early 2020. I told Navid i have no way, or person that can get my vehicle which is now unable to start, n cant have anyone work on or around any vehicles, n i have no where to take them. Navid said no worries we wont forget you, we will take care of the amplifiers, when ever im ready. We/I had no idea @ the time how long i maybe immobile. But i used to call Navid every 6 months to a year, and he always reassured me, but i had not called in a year or more= O.M.G., cause i dont know if Both amps are Blown, or just need proper voltage to work😒😢
Why testing at 15.5V? Is this the normal voltage for today's vehicles? Because none of my cars and jeeps go more than 13.7V. I think if I changed my voltage regulator to 15.5v it might damage the electrical systems..... I would love to see these tests at like 13.5v, to see what the amp draw is then. At 15.5v the amp draw is super impressively low.....
These amps are not made for a traditional electrical set up. If your voltage is that low something like a taramps md line or sundown salt line would be something to look at
Exactly, for a amplifier this powerful you need to run it on a large bank of lithium. Face Kicker could probably test it at a lower voltage, but I don't think he has a power bank that runs at such a low voltage. Most people runnig this amp is probably going to be running lithium ion cells around 16v . Something like a C-Max battery. For your automobile you'd probably need a large bank of lithium iron phosphate which max out at 14.6v but can be safely ran at around 14v. That would allow you to play this amplifier full tilt for a few minutes at least, but you still need to upgrade your alternator to provide additional charging current.
I like your vids so much more than BigD, he is so annoying using the same cutaway gags 5yrs straight plus if you watch in pretty much every vid, he calculates efficiency incorrectly, at least you know how to do basic math.
Not really,I have both team pie 7500.1 and this amp,this is jist srtonger,build quality is the same to me,I have both in my floor with the back covers off and if it weren't for the cap stickers you wouldn't know where it's built,why's everyone so bent on Korean amps ?? Team pie makes killer amps and so does ruthless,so what if ones Korean and ones chinese....fuck!!
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I have 2 of the 4500.1 and they are no joke 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
You can drop it down to a quarter ohm and will still perform,,it. Won't break! .that's one badass Amp!!!!
That efficiency is pretty dang impressive!
I LOVE THAT AMPLIFIER!
Great video as always! Please test the new Crossfire BMF-8K.
Wonder whhats the difference from the xt series
@@Miguel-yx2jt Yeah, me too.
Pretty impressive amp!!!
Excited to run 2 Ruthless Audio 10ks on 2 Fi 4.11 12s @ .5 per
@@AlexMendoza69 should be nasty!
finally. got 2 of them
I own alot of ruthless audio products best so far .that half ohm reactive load life💪
Many 1 ohm stable, can be wired to .5 as well... nothing new.
Can't wait to hook up my 10k at .5 on my zv6 18s 🔥💪
How many zv6?
@@devildog1534 just 2 zv6 18s.
@@jeffersondelira2706 you think this amp will be enough for 4 Stu 15s?
@@devildog1534 it will do well with 4 but I'd probably recommend getting like 2 8ks and gain matching them for what you got.
Nice but I'll stick with my slapz 8k,great vid man!!
The slapz amps didn't do rated power on their dyno pulls.
I used to care about uncertified but i truly only care about certified because my goal is to be able to max out my subs with zero clipping. Clipping burns subs up instantly and when your efficiency goes into the toilet 85% is good 64% can hurt you depending on how big your battery is, but the most important thing is to USE YOUR CLIPPING INDICATORS RELIGIOUSLY. Such a small cheap step can save your setup and let you demo full songs instead of clipping stinking up your subs and blowing subs and worse ..amps!!
You make some valid points, but clipping definitely does not instantly burn up a sub. Most clip indicators come on/flicker at between 0.5% and 1% which means if the clip light starts flickering you can still play it, no problem. You can play it with the clip light solid for a brief amount of time because you will be putting a lot of heat into the sub. People do this all the time in burp competitions. Since the limitation is thermal related, how long you can play with a fully clipped signal is going to depend on how hot the subs are from the beginning. Also, some subwoofers are a lot more beefier and can handle more temperature than other subs. So there's a lot of variables involved.
@@JasonWW2000 what i mean is if you're not using a clipping indicator its incredibly easy to go into hard clipping which in my experience stinks up subs within 30 seconds, when i finally figured out how to keep the power clean i was able to demo for half an hour at a time, yes you can let the light flicker but i still dont fully recommend it i recommend to people to be responsible and upgrade voltage, drop ohm loads, add amps, add subs to achieve your goals. Ive blown many subs and a couple $2500 amps learning this and i never saw anyone preaching this kind of wisdom to me back then and i wish they had cus i went through a lot of money and heartache learning on my own
@@JasonWW2000 yes SPL is a different story full send it but for normal folks who like to demo for long periods clipping indicators
Nice amp!
Yeah
.I guessed right .
Ruthless Audio baby!!!!
It's a beast!!!
😎👍👍
According to bigD's vids on the jp93 your amp dynowill go to over 25,000 watts.
Why the 8500.1 clamped higher than the 10k? 😮
Bro that was what I was thinking
Similar board as Surge audio
The 8.5 dynamic on 1ohm beat it almost by 1000 Watts
My understanding is that one is built and intended for sub ohm use exclusively, the other isn't.
On the 8500 he was at 15.8v dropped to 15.3 on the 10k his voltage was at 15.4 and dropped to 14.9... idk maybe if he charged higher 🤷🏾♂️
I was thinking 15k burst @ .5 but 19.5k 🤯
I would like to see a DC Audio 9k
I'd like to strike gold in Omaha.
So what's price of something that great.
Link is in description
RUTHLESS anialating it
@ Facekicker- I have never seen an amp dyno on a Crescendo Bc17k. See if Crescendo will send you 1 to test?
Nendo went under /out of business
@@Facekicker- O.M.G., i have 2 amps that they were going to factory repair/high voltage modify, if needed because of a possible mistake on there part, 1- BC8K, and 1- BC17K, i have not heard neither amp. There was miscommunication/understanding on them being 18 volt capable, which on there website when these new models came out in 2018 said good to 19.5volts. When i went to have a shop install my 8k= protect. I called nendo, and said i got 16volt batterys, that charge @ 18 volts, why does your 19.5 volt capable amp go into protect? My 2- Nendo BC 3500s that i took out worked great, but i sold them immediately, so i had no bass. I talked to the owner Navid, and he said we will have to change it on our website to say 17volts from factory. But he said the internal parts are 20volt capable with a high voltage bypass mod they perform @ Nendo before shipping. I said because the website said 19.5, and i had the 2- BC 3500s prior and they worked fine from the factory on 18volts, n he said yes those n the bc 5500s were hi volt capable from the factory. Navid apologized, and i said im contemplating getting another 8k, and having them mod it before leaving, but i decided screw it, i will just get the high volt moded BC17k, so i will just have 1 amp to run my 4-18s, n i will keep the 8k, for a lower volt system. Well i guess when they=Nendo got the Pre-Ordered 17ks in about a month later, my high volt moded BC17k must have gone somewhere else, or just didnt get done. When my local shop hooked it up= Protection😒! What made it worse is this shop closed for 2019 winter right after, and during this time i had become home bound. I have not been out of my upstairs apt. Since early 2020. I told Navid i have no way, or person that can get my vehicle which is now unable to start, n cant have anyone work on or around any vehicles, n i have no where to take them. Navid said no worries we wont forget you, we will take care of the amplifiers, when ever im ready. We/I had no idea @ the time how long i maybe immobile. But i used to call Navid every 6 months to a year, and he always reassured me, but i had not called in a year or more= O.M.G., cause i dont know if Both amps are Blown, or just need proper voltage to work😒😢
So this is the most efficient amplifier tested? 85% at 1 ohm? Never seen that before.
What’s better smart 8 or smart 8bass what clamps more power and more consistent
Personally I prefer regular Smart8
@@Facekicker smart 8 vs big boss 8k by taramps witch should I buy running around .6ohms for my demo build
Why testing at 15.5V? Is this the normal voltage for today's vehicles? Because none of my cars and jeeps go more than 13.7V. I think if I changed my voltage regulator to 15.5v it might damage the electrical systems.....
I would love to see these tests at like 13.5v, to see what the amp draw is then. At 15.5v the amp draw is super impressively low.....
These amps are not made for a traditional electrical set up. If your voltage is that low something like a taramps md line or sundown salt line would be something to look at
Exactly, for a amplifier this powerful you need to run it on a large bank of lithium. Face Kicker could probably test it at a lower voltage, but I don't think he has a power bank that runs at such a low voltage. Most people runnig this amp is probably going to be running lithium ion cells around 16v . Something like a C-Max battery. For your automobile you'd probably need a large bank of lithium iron phosphate which max out at 14.6v but can be safely ran at around 14v. That would allow you to play this amplifier full tilt for a few minutes at least, but you still need to upgrade your alternator to provide additional charging current.
@dominikspencer3981- The amperage would be the same, just the eff., and the power will be lower.
how about hifonics bxx6000.1 and try it with music
Lmfao 😂 hifonics never puts out rated power I can tell you right now that 6k puts out 2k lol on music 1500 😊 thank me later
👍👍👍...🍻🍻🍻💯
15k
The JP 83 did more then that
JP83 isn't built for 0.25 or 0.5 use, which is this amps strong point.
Lawsuit incoming for that name.
Why?
I like your vids so much more than BigD, he is so annoying using the same cutaway gags 5yrs straight plus if you watch in pretty much every vid, he calculates efficiency incorrectly, at least you know how to do basic math.
Thank you I really appreciate it
How do you calculate efficiency? I never knew how.
@@poppynokc1977 wattage divided by voltage x current
Damn you can't disrespect the OG like that 😂
That's just a teampie 10k
Not even close. This is Korean built not Chinese. Major difference
Not really,I have both team pie 7500.1 and this amp,this is jist srtonger,build quality is the same to me,I have both in my floor with the back covers off and if it weren't for the cap stickers you wouldn't know where it's built,why's everyone so bent on Korean amps ?? Team pie makes killer amps and so does ruthless,so what if ones Korean and ones chinese....fuck!!
These ruthless amps are no joke brother trust me
@@LoudStereoTINYDICK yrah there super nice,I have the 10k and a slapz audio shb8k,it's a team pie 7500.1 same thing I love them both
Bs
I would like to see the ampere audio tfhe 9k 🍻💙🫡💪🔥
@FATHERSOFBASS- Ampere Audio stopped making the 9.0, because of to many failures. I got 1 that had an issue. But there 7500's are built like tanks!