Yeah, it was confusing for some people I guess... but never mind, all true NBA followers recognized those specific numbers right away 😁 Btw. they are going up tonight! Great vid!
That's the most impressive thing! Westbrook was actively looking for those additional rebounds and assists. Jokic plays team basketball, moves without the ball, does always the smartest play.. and at the end has 35-15-15 on unreal efficiency 😮
This is selling is short. He could be the ultimate ceiling raiser too but we'll never know because he's never even played with an all-star, let alone, all-NBA, or Top 75 player that all other all-time greats have benefited from.
LeBron and Jordan beg to differ. At their peaks they were both top 5 league defenders and top 5 all time offensive engines. Jokic is most likely the offensive GOAT over Magic, Jordan, Bron and Steph, but he will never be a high impact defender. Both Jordan and LeBron got their teams farther than they should have gone by sheer mastery of both sides of the ball in their particular styles. Nuggets are at best a second round exit, and if Jokic never wins again, he'll go down much closer to West, Oscar, KG and Dirk than Duncan, Bird, Magic and Kobe.
Bird also is up there. Probably 3rd behind jokic and lebron. But if you go back and look at the Celtics record after he was drafted, they went up like 20-25 wins and never had a season under 50 wins with him
@@geordiejones5618 do you see any argument he's a slight positive on defence and somewhat clearly the best offence player of all time? Just a friendly question. Could you believe he is a slight positive on defence? If you accept he's the goat offensive player, do U think he might be it by a margin enough that on a lower evaluation of either LeBron or Jordan he gets to be right there? It's a big stretch for me, but I think it's not the dumbest thing ever either. Is there an argument that, in the 90s, offensive players probably couldn't impact the game as much as players today? But could impact more defensively than today? If so, does the logic check out that maybe lebrons defensive impact is minimised to a degree that jokic is right there? Again just asking what you think :)
Jokic passed KD. KD never led the team to a championship. KD has 1 MVP. KD snitched on his team to join the superteam and form a juggernaut. Jokic clearly passed that.
He is obviously better than KD all time already. Easy. MVP titles are overrated ´cos they depend so much on teammates. Imagine JORDAN never plays with Pippen. He would have never won 6 titles. Give JOKIC Pippen?! DYNASTY
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider Bronsexual detected. Pippen was 8ppg Rookie. Jordan made a player out of him. A solid two way player. LeBron played with much better players than pippen ever was. So why do you mention Pippen? Jordan literally won more with less, than anybody in league history
@@SamuelBlackMetalRiderpuppet wasn’t too much of a scorer he was more of a defensive player that could also playmake so he might not fit with jokic as well
I like this comment. It's always gonna be a subjective choice, no matter what. I love Jokic - not only his game, but also his demeanor on and off the court. But for me personally (!), no player is ever going to surpass MJ, because he was the closest thing to magic (closer than Magic even :D) I ever witnessed on the court. But that's not only because of his game, but because I was an impressionable kid, there was no 24/7 media coverage and there was simply no debate back then (it was 1998 and I watched the finals as a 12 year old German kid in the middle of the night). How is any player ever going to live up to those memories?
He hasn't led any of his deep rosters to 60 wins and hasn't beaten a single 50 win team in the playoffs once. Racist media can give him all the subjective awards they want. Until he proves he can beat the best teams with the quality rosters he has, he's a bit more of a stats over substance player than they want to admit.
I can agree to that. It's because he compliments Jokic perfectly. Covers for his lack of athleticism and is a dynamic player (does it all on offense and defense). Murray is sadly not his usual self these last 2 years.
True, but AG is not a star, he is okay at most things, best at dunking and cutting yet not elite at anything. Most lacking would probably be passing, playmaking, ball handling, free throws, 3pt shot is up and down. Solo under the rim not that great, but catching lobs and passes he excels at.
@@lebarbosa9778 And a ring where the best team he faced had 45 wins. lol Usually that's a first round opponent. He still hasn't beaten a single 50 win team in the playoffs yet in his career. He's the first "great white hope" player that's mostly lived up to the hype and so the media has dedicated itself to settling on only the arguments that allow them to give him more awards despite his top competition leading their teams better most years. In addition to that, he wasn't even the best player in the league for 2 of his 3 MVP's. Embiid was running away with the award before injuries dropped him out of the race over half way through the season. So 2 of Jokic's MVP's weren't even because he was the best player. They were because the best player in those years got injured in just enough time for him to take the lead due to just staying healthy. So, even if he was the most valuable, that didn't mean he was the best player. Yet they want to run with that like it makes him the defacto best of his era. During Lebron's prime, it wasn't even debatable most years. Same for Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, etc. and yet, half of them still never got this kind of love from the media for MVP awards.
@@bucketboy4937 If they were the easiest how come they beat the Celtics. He’s putting up record numbers here and your saying this like if you really pay attention then you wouldn’t be saying this
Lol people thought I was crazy when I said i thought Jokic has the highest peak (level vs the field) since MJ. I'm glad there's some metric that agrees with me
@@kjjr3270 Name one active player better? None. All of others greats, yes they were exepctional but mostly at one or two things. Points or assist, or points and rebounds. And Jokić aint done yet, he has still at least 4-5 season where he will dominate. Thats 10 seasons of dominance...
@@kjjr3270 The fact he's had quality rosters and not led them to 60 wins or even beaten a single 50 win team in the playoffs is a major indictment on his actual impact on the game and leadership.
Jokic's advanced stats are only matched by Jordan and Lebron, even if they have more defensive impact and bettter playoff success during their respective peaks. He really has an argument as offensive GOAT and one of the only players who's both an all time floor and ceiling raiser, alongside Russell, Bird, Jordan, Duncan, and Lebron.
@@Kermit_T_Frogthe hell it was. Embrittle was handed the MVP because the voters couldn’t stand an unathletic looking European man dominating their league.
I woudnt say racism, it does "adds" to it because he is Serbian, but would ratter use the: not being able to accept that someone is a lot better than you. And the fact that his doing it in your house, almost every night.. Ego is a bitch.
@@Kermit_T_Frog Actually was not close, even if you're half blind or colorblind you can clearly see who had the better impact. Emcry will be forgotten in few years. While Jokić will stand with the best. A fact.
@@matoperut1900fr. Embrittle was handed that shit because the voters can’t stand an unathletic looking European guy dismantling their league😂. Absolutely pathetic
@@redchampiondepends. If it were a 1v1 jordan would win every time. But if I were to choose between either of them to have on my basketball team in a 5v5 i would always choose jokic.
@lite307 yea obviously, probably most nba all stars ever would beat joker in 1v1 probably, but without him denver is a lottery team and with him they are title contenders. Without him they have one of the worst offenses of all time and with him they are one of the best oat
@@lite307 what a pedestrian statement, did you see how Jokic just casually bullying 7 footers making it look like children vs adult? 1v1 he will make MJ feel so small haha
Crazy thing is with his playstyle that doesn’t require too much athleticism and considering how he’s not even 30 yet, he could go on like this for a WHILE. Depending on how things go, dude could actually be a top 5 player ever. Only things that are really holding him back is defensive ability and some would argue the fact that he only has 1 ring so far. I feel like top be top 5 it is insanely hard if you’re not an incredible defender but he is so offensively unbelievable he has an argument. Guy is crazy good.
if he goes on to win MVP (while keeping these kind of numbers) and another ring this season, he's undeniable top 15 all-time. the crazy thought is he's only 29 - we can expect this kind of performance from him for at least 3-5 years barring injuries. the man is revolutionizing the game in front of our eyes
Will be in top 3 ever. Expect him to be over LeBron but with MJ will be the hardest goat battle of all. If he continues to grow like next this he will definitely be the GOAT.
Context matters: Stats are highly inflated post 2012. Is he the best player now, yeah for sure. But his stats would be much lower in the 90’s and 2000’s.
Jokic makes his former and current teammates stronger and play better with confidence. They do have a lot of respect and love for him as a best superstar player. Many precious superstars tend to be hated, insulted and disrespected by their own teammates due to their selfishness, stubbornness, unwillingness to listen to his coach and ego.
Jokic kinda has the Duncan effect. He makes every player so much better that he actually improves their game when they are on a different team because he’s such a weapon they get used to making the extra pass inside or connecting his passes to others when they double
As an enjoyer of all sport, to witness a guy like this come along and have the impact he has had is phenomenal.] I had zero clue how good he really was.
top 3 all time if he can do these the entire season regardless win championship or not HIs FG% is abnormal getting those number with that efficiency is GOAT
This is Jokic every single season, the guy is already a top 15 player of all time, and a few more awards and it`s going to be hard to keep him outside of the top 10 of all time
If it were only about how good, dominant, versatile a player is and how much of a positive impact he has on his team(mates), I would already put him there. Granted, I only started watching in the 90s and can't really assess the greatness of Wilt, Bird or even George Mikan. But who honestly can?
Jokers superpower is his Time Machine, always seeing plays before they happen in real time! That's why people don't understand how he slowly gets there before anyone!
jokic averaging more points than shaq or kobe’s mvps is a product of era and pace. jokic is all time great but context needs to be added. kobe averaged 35 ppg when teams were averaging 95-97 points per night. jokic is averaging 29 while teams are averaging 114
Thank you. Jokic is absolutely amazing and I'm positive he would have been successful in any era, but comparing individual stats like this is complete nonsense. Yet, even the big pundits are doing it (pretty intentionally, I suspect) all the time. It's probably only gonna get worse...
Dude is still mad that he didn’t win a gold medal this summer. And as the saying goes, he “took that personally.” He’s making the whole league suffer in retaliation.
cool video effect from 0:05 to 1:17 (the "wavey 'old-VHS-tape'" feel), but more than 1 FULL minute was too much. veryyy distracting. 4 or 7 seconds, not 70 seconds please. Keep up the great work. Cheers ~
This system of comparison is not fair. It' MUCH easier to score points today than it was in the past, due to rule changes that free up the offense, and depress the defense. That being said, Nikola is the MAN!
@@hdbuckets8154 How is 49% from the field not efficient enough? Russ shot 42% from the field in his MVP campaign and Luka damn near averaged a triple double as well🤦♂️
Good video. Clearly inspired by Jxmy but thats not a bad thing. I think you could work on things like tone inflection and cadence (they soound monotonal and repetitive), maybe a bit better mic. Keep going
I think it’s interesting he’s such a good facilitator in the center position. As far as my pick for most compete center id normally go with Hakeem. He does everything a center supposed to do on both sides of the ball, but jokic is so different. He plays chess on the court, using every piece to their fullest. A shame he’s on the nuggets.
Not just because of my love for my country man, the things he is doing since the start of season can only be though of fantastic, amazing or marvelous, just to show how great he is doing so far, as a person who played NBA live and other NBA games since the start of the new millennium, even in games with I admit it using chet codes I had no wear near such numbers with players with a 99 rating, so you can say the man broke the game, being the biggest superstar without acting like one, just a simple easy going Sombor native who took the basketball world like a storm, and change it for ever. You go Joker, take home at least another ring or two and cement your place among the top 50 greatest players to handle a ball since the game was invented!!!
I would love to watch him with, for example, Luka Dončić. I think they would dominate the league plus they are good friends. That would be a treat to watch 💯
People need to stop saying Jokic is unathletic. He is a professional athlete and dominates in a league full of other professional athletes. In that sense, he is actually the most athletic of all. It is utterly impossible to get within a mile of playing in the nba and not being extremely athletic. Just because he’s white and doesn’t jump high doesn’t mean he’s some random dude off the streets.
Can't you see, when he doesn't see Michael Malone, Calvin Booth-Jamal Murray doesn't want to spend, he fulfilled his goal, he signed a max contract as if he were an All Star and MVP. 52,250,000 per season. His contract is secure and he will play sometimes when he wants to play. With a max contract, he has to be a starter. Imagine a player with 52 million per season sitting on the bench, and JS playing with a 2 million contract. JM-MPJ as starters have the worst first half in the NBA - they don't want to play defense, when they play badly they say it's our fault, like MPJ said at the end of the season - they say he's to blame for the loss but they go to the bank and withdraw the money - the money is secure no matter how they play.
I agree! Difference with us and them is money isnt everything, we play for ourselfs, our pride. They got the money and now its like you said. Pozdrav Dragica
Great video. I actually think there have only been 3 players to win 4 MVPs and 2 Finals MVPs. MJ, Lebron, and Kareem. Finals MVPs weren’t around for most of Wilt and Russel’s careers. Wilt won in 72 but it wasn’t around in 67.
Skill wise, Jokic might be the GOAT, but when it comes to achievements he is barely in top 10, unfortunately the goat conversation is more about achievements than skills cause the ultimate goal is making your team win.
It’s easy to have a stand out season, in today’s league where NO ONE plays defense and everyone shoots 3’a. Transport any one of the past ATG’s to this era and triple what they did, then, and that would be the results of them playing in today’s league.
This is great analysis. However, be careful if you make up a new complex stat, and it shows that the player you are currently analyzing has the highest ranking of all time in that stat, you may have created a biased stat for this specific players strength. In other words, I am quite sure if you chose to add in other stats into your concoction, you would find the results lead you in a different direction, towards a different player with different strengths...
With what 20 games in, it is clear that the Nuggets cannot win without Jokic. With him on the bench the Nuggets simply start to crumble. When he is on the court, they are able to strike neck to neck or take the lead. You can see this in the game. He is the most valuable to Denver
One of the reasons people stand for Jokić is his humble attitude. He is not one of those who's pushing in your face how his mom worked 578 jobs to raise him and his brothers, while their father was in prison or abandoned them. How he grew up in streets surrounded by gangs, and that same bullshit we were fed for decades about how tough life is.
Exactly. If people think Jokic or most any of today's top players be posting close these same numbers in an era with hand checking to run guys off the 3 point line and shrink the court, way worse 3 point shooters around them to boot, and almost every team having two legit bigs to man the paint to defend against your star big and to help grab rebounds, they are out of their minds.
eh, it goes both ways - the talent level is insane now, that all 10 players on the floor can play at elite level, while in the 2000s and even early 2010s, you had top heavy teams with one star and 4 fillers (for most teams). You could argue that these numbers would actually be way higher, like Wilts were, since the competition was way behind. Put Wilt in the modern NBA and he might average 10-20ppg considering his limited dribbling and shooting, in a league where every big can shoot and dribble now. And the argument of "Guhh they're playing against Plumlee and shit while others centers played against Hakeem, Kareem etc., is also just plain wrong, since if you just take a moment to research the teams and their centers, there was 3-4 centers that were top tier, and then 25+ who legit couldn't even dribble or catch the ball. Shaq got destroyed by Divac on multiple ocassions, and Divac is literally a dude who started playing at 16 for the first time and lacked in a lot of areas, so Jokic would absolutely dominate Shaq. Let's remember Jermaine O'Neal was one of the best centers in the 2000s-2010s, a dude who legit wouldn't be getting any playing time in todays league due to lack of fundementals. Point is there are many factors for both sides of the argument, and I personally, after researching this subject a bit due to curiosity, feel like it was easier to play earlier in the league. 80% of the nights you were matched up with a dude that couldn't play but was tall. People tend to disregard that most players before this era just hooped for fun and were the best at it, compared to how most players today have started training and aiming for the NBA since they were 5yo. That's at least a 10y headstart on actual training, and then you also consider how much technology allows people to progress faster and better now - your team has sports scientists that handle the optimal training and dietary regimes and so on. At the very least it's debatable, and definitely not an easy stance to have with thinking the numbers are inflated. They are in some cases - like what Westbrook and Harden were doing, but that's easily spotted since it results in loses.
@@Mycrosss people love to weaponize the differences in generations to try and prove any point they want, they never wanna admit it cuts both ways and they are hating just to hate or because they think it takes away from their favorite player.
@ yeah wilt was more athletic than anyone in the league rn and if he had been born in the year 2000 he would have learned all the skills necessary he would’ve shot 3s and adapted to the game that’s why you can’t compare eras
Curry has been the best player on his team every season he has been remotely healthy. That includes the kd years. Shown by every before and after. Curry and the system/gravity opened everything up for KD. 1:00
Heres a question. If jokic somehow got his hands on a de'arron fox or dejounte murray, how much would nikola jokic benefit from having an all star/all nba caliber player? 55 win team? 60 win team? Finals favorite i mean seriously his second best player this season is mpj or aaron gordon and has never had a all star player. I believe if he had a good player by his side he'd be unstoppable. Like kd had curry, imagine if jokic had curry. It'd be the greatest duo of all time, absolutely unstoppable.
messed up the numbers for 2021 curry at 1:59 😅
Yeah I was going to say Stephen never averaged 10 rebounds in his life!!
Yeah, it was confusing for some people I guess... but never mind, all true NBA followers recognized those specific numbers right away 😁 Btw. they are going up tonight! Great vid!
1:20 29.7 points, 10.6 assists*
1:41 suddenly drops from legendary to generational
1:52 okay bro tf u smokin.
Funny part is he never forces it, his triple doubles never look "forced". You don't even realize when he reaches 30 points in the game.
He don't really try. And they still have to grab and scratch him all over.
I feel like he and luka are the only triple doublers who dont force it
Another funny part is that refs barely give him calls. Dude doesn't even need that to average 30 points.
That's the most impressive thing! Westbrook was actively looking for those additional rebounds and assists. Jokic plays team basketball, moves without the ball, does always the smartest play.. and at the end has 35-15-15 on unreal efficiency 😮
Yeah it's because the league sucks and there's no effort.
Joker is entering his peak rn, let's talk about this in a couple years when he is past all of them
😁😁 Yep.
Past all of who?
@dewman7477 everyone
@@redchampion he’s not passing MJ or LeBron in goat debate
@dewman7477 he will
Greatest floor raiser to ever touch basketball ,Jokic GOAT
This is selling is short. He could be the ultimate ceiling raiser too but we'll never know because he's never even played with an all-star, let alone, all-NBA, or Top 75 player that all other all-time greats have benefited from.
LeBron and Jordan beg to differ. At their peaks they were both top 5 league defenders and top 5 all time offensive engines. Jokic is most likely the offensive GOAT over Magic, Jordan, Bron and Steph, but he will never be a high impact defender. Both Jordan and LeBron got their teams farther than they should have gone by sheer mastery of both sides of the ball in their particular styles. Nuggets are at best a second round exit, and if Jokic never wins again, he'll go down much closer to West, Oscar, KG and Dirk than Duncan, Bird, Magic and Kobe.
Bird also is up there. Probably 3rd behind jokic and lebron. But if you go back and look at the Celtics record after he was drafted, they went up like 20-25 wins and never had a season under 50 wins with him
@@geordiejones5618 do you see any argument he's a slight positive on defence and somewhat clearly the best offence player of all time?
Just a friendly question. Could you believe he is a slight positive on defence?
If you accept he's the goat offensive player, do U think he might be it by a margin enough that on a lower evaluation of either LeBron or Jordan he gets to be right there?
It's a big stretch for me, but I think it's not the dumbest thing ever either.
Is there an argument that, in the 90s, offensive players probably couldn't impact the game as much as players today? But could impact more defensively than today?
If so, does the logic check out that maybe lebrons defensive impact is minimised to a degree that jokic is right there?
Again just asking what you think :)
@@wuhanclan Jokic has played with all-star stars and has a top 75 player on his team right now. Stop the BS.
Jokic passed KD. KD never led the team to a championship. KD has 1 MVP. KD snitched on his team to join the superteam and form a juggernaut. Jokic clearly passed that.
the Nuggets without Jokic are lost, the Warriors never needed KD to begin with, they won before and after him.
He is obviously better than KD all time already. Easy. MVP titles are overrated ´cos they depend so much on teammates. Imagine JORDAN never plays with Pippen. He would have never won 6 titles. Give JOKIC Pippen?! DYNASTY
@@SamuelBlackMetalRider Bronsexual detected. Pippen was 8ppg Rookie. Jordan made a player out of him. A solid two way player.
LeBron played with much better players than pippen ever was.
So why do you mention Pippen? Jordan literally won more with less, than anybody in league history
@@SamuelBlackMetalRiderpuppet wasn’t too much of a scorer he was more of a defensive player that could also playmake so he might not fit with jokic as well
@ Pippen was a complete player. He could score & rebound. Also JOKIC would have elevated him like he elevates ALL his teammates
He's my number 1 due to attitude, skills and entertainment value.
I like this comment. It's always gonna be a subjective choice, no matter what. I love Jokic - not only his game, but also his demeanor on and off the court. But for me personally (!), no player is ever going to surpass MJ, because he was the closest thing to magic (closer than Magic even :D) I ever witnessed on the court. But that's not only because of his game, but because I was an impressionable kid, there was no 24/7 media coverage and there was simply no debate back then (it was 1998 and I watched the finals as a 12 year old German kid in the middle of the night). How is any player ever going to live up to those memories?
If Jokic goes on to win another ring with a dominant post season run, he's top 10 all time period
Top 5. Easy.
He wins another MVP as well, then i agree with you
i would argue jokic is better than lebron over all
With 2 rings? Yall insane
He hasn't led any of his deep rosters to 60 wins and hasn't beaten a single 50 win team in the playoffs once. Racist media can give him all the subjective awards they want. Until he proves he can beat the best teams with the quality rosters he has, he's a bit more of a stats over substance player than they want to admit.
unpopular opinion : AG is his best teammate
Consistently effective, which also means best to me
I can agree to that. It's because he compliments Jokic perfectly. Covers for his lack of athleticism and is a dynamic player (does it all on offense and defense). Murray is sadly not his usual self these last 2 years.
100% agree, always consistent and contributes to the team effectively
At least his most consistant one
True, but AG is not a star, he is okay at most things, best at dunking and cutting yet not elite at anything. Most lacking would probably be passing, playmaking, ball handling, free throws, 3pt shot is up and down. Solo under the rim not that great, but catching lobs and passes he excels at.
People need to put some respect on Jokic's name; bro is unstoppable on the court
He's your brother?
Jokic is already TOP 5 ever that played basketball and will most likely finish between TOP 3 and GOAT.
Top 5 ever with 1 ring.. lol
@@lebarbosa9778 ah yes, the ring argument... the weakest argument against individual greatness in a team sport
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And a ring where the best team he faced had 45 wins. lol Usually that's a first round opponent. He still hasn't beaten a single 50 win team in the playoffs yet in his career.
He's the first "great white hope" player that's mostly lived up to the hype and so the media has dedicated itself to settling on only the arguments that allow them to give him more awards despite his top competition leading their teams better most years.
In addition to that, he wasn't even the best player in the league for 2 of his 3 MVP's. Embiid was running away with the award before injuries dropped him out of the race over half way through the season. So 2 of Jokic's MVP's weren't even because he was the best player. They were because the best player in those years got injured in just enough time for him to take the lead due to just staying healthy.
So, even if he was the most valuable, that didn't mean he was the best player. Yet they want to run with that like it makes him the defacto best of his era. During Lebron's prime, it wasn't even debatable most years. Same for Jordan, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, etc. and yet, half of them still never got this kind of love from the media for MVP awards.
Incorrect
@@lebarbosa9778 Oh ring. Okay, if ring is criterion then Russell is by far GOAT because he has 11 for 13 years.
He has 4 MVPs in my book. If he wins it this year then it will be his 5th. Jokic is likely the 2nd best player I’ve ever seen after Michael Jordan.
Nah he has 0 olympic gold medals and only 1 ring against the easiest team to beat in 23 y’all overrating this 2 inch vert horse lover.
@@bucketboy4937 If they were the easiest how come they beat the Celtics. He’s putting up record numbers here and your saying this like if you really pay attention then you wouldn’t be saying this
@@Autigga1244Dallas Mavericks lost 4-1 to Celtics,1 win meant nothing
@@Autigga1244 ever heard of Luck before?
@@bucketboy4937 He plays for Serbia...
Lol people thought I was crazy when I said i thought Jokic has the highest peak (level vs the field) since MJ. I'm glad there's some metric that agrees with me
He is already a top 10- top 12 player.. and he is only 29 !!!
He will finish career as a top center, top rebounder and top assist. It just depends will it be top 1 or top 3 :D
Kareem is going to be hard to beat.
Definitely not Top 10 as of now.
@@kjjr3270 Name one active player better? None. All of others greats, yes they were exepctional but mostly at one or two things. Points or assist, or points and rebounds. And Jokić aint done yet, he has still at least 4-5 season where he will dominate. Thats 10 seasons of dominance...
@@kjjr3270
The fact he's had quality rosters and not led them to 60 wins or even beaten a single 50 win team in the playoffs is a major indictment on his actual impact on the game and leadership.
Jokic's advanced stats are only matched by Jordan and Lebron, even if they have more defensive impact and bettter playoff success during their respective peaks. He really has an argument as offensive GOAT and one of the only players who's both an all time floor and ceiling raiser, alongside Russell, Bird, Jordan, Duncan, and Lebron.
Zivela Srbija i Jokic.
He keeps getting better which is insane.
Racism has already robbed him of an MVP
There was nothing odd about Embiid getting the call. I think Jokic was better, but it was close.
@@Kermit_T_Frogthe hell it was. Embrittle was handed the MVP because the voters couldn’t stand an unathletic looking European man dominating their league.
I woudnt say racism, it does "adds" to it because he is Serbian, but would ratter use the: not being able to accept that someone is a lot better than you. And the fact that his doing it in your house, almost every night.. Ego is a bitch.
@@Kermit_T_Frog Actually was not close, even if you're half blind or colorblind you can clearly see who had the better impact. Emcry will be forgotten in few years. While Jokić will stand with the best. A fact.
@@matoperut1900fr. Embrittle was handed that shit because the voters can’t stand an unathletic looking European guy dismantling their league😂. Absolutely pathetic
Jokic is the only one so close to MJ peak/PRIME, not even LeBron can do that according to your chart 8:46.
He's better than jordan
@@redchampiondepends. If it were a 1v1 jordan would win every time. But if I were to choose between either of them to have on my basketball team in a 5v5 i would always choose jokic.
@lite307 yea obviously, probably most nba all stars ever would beat joker in 1v1 probably, but without him denver is a lottery team and with him they are title contenders. Without him they have one of the worst offenses of all time and with him they are one of the best oat
@@lite307 what a pedestrian statement, did you see how Jokic just casually bullying 7 footers making it look like children vs adult? 1v1 he will make MJ feel so small haha
@@redchampion💀 okay buddy
Crazy thing is with his playstyle that doesn’t require too much athleticism and considering how he’s not even 30 yet, he could go on like this for a WHILE. Depending on how things go, dude could actually be a top 5 player ever. Only things that are really holding him back is defensive ability and some would argue the fact that he only has 1 ring so far. I feel like top be top 5 it is insanely hard if you’re not an incredible defender but he is so offensively unbelievable he has an argument. Guy is crazy good.
if he goes on to win MVP (while keeping these kind of numbers) and another ring this season, he's undeniable top 15 all-time. the crazy thought is he's only 29 - we can expect this kind of performance from him for at least 3-5 years barring injuries. the man is revolutionizing the game in front of our eyes
A fourth mvp in five years puts him top 10 he doesn’t even need another ring
Jokic already in my all time roster as center for sure
Will be in top 3 ever. Expect him to be over LeBron but with MJ will be the hardest goat battle of all. If he continues to grow like next this he will definitely be the GOAT.
He will never be the GOAT.
delusional
@@DOPEdwarfWhy, because he no black?
Context matters: Stats are highly inflated post 2012. Is he the best player now, yeah for sure. But his stats would be much lower in the 90’s and 2000’s.
That doesn’t explain why his stats are so much better than his current peers
He also passes the eye test. When I first watched him, basketball didnt really impress me, but watching him play and make plays was interesting.
Jokic makes his former and current teammates stronger and play better with confidence. They do have a lot of respect and love for him as a best superstar player. Many precious superstars tend to be hated, insulted and disrespected by their own teammates due to their selfishness, stubbornness, unwillingness to listen to his coach and ego.
Jokic kinda has the Duncan effect. He makes every player so much better that he actually improves their game when they are on a different team because he’s such a weapon they get used to making the extra pass inside or connecting his passes to others when they double
7:14 Larry Bird’s one season took 10 years. Impressive achievement.
If Jokić wins 3 more rings and is the finals mvp in those runs then he deserves to be considered up there in the goat debate.
Imagine if Jokic tried
My point exactly. He's somewhat giving his all this season because of the injures.
Jokic very clearly tries. He just isn't good with interviews and somehow people have never seen a socially awkward person before.
Jokic is some of the most entertaining basketball I’ve ever seen
As an enjoyer of all sport, to witness a guy like this come along and have the impact he has had is phenomenal.]
I had zero clue how good he really was.
top 3 all time if he can do these the entire season regardless win championship or not
HIs FG% is abnormal
getting those number with that efficiency is GOAT
This video is just so good ,keep going ❤
Just imagine jokic with a perfect supporting cast like MJ or a super team like LeBron.
This is Jokic every single season, the guy is already a top 15 player of all time, and a few more awards and it`s going to be hard to keep him outside of the top 10 of all time
If it were only about how good, dominant, versatile a player is and how much of a positive impact he has on his team(mates), I would already put him there. Granted, I only started watching in the 90s and can't really assess the greatness of Wilt, Bird or even George Mikan. But who honestly can?
Jokic is wresrled, grabbed and scratched all over, every game. Still dominates. And he isnt even trying 😅.
Its crazy how good he is.
Maybe he should start trying considering the Nuggets are currently 9th in the west🤷♂️
Jokic plays 100% in almost every game he's in. He hustles etc. How isn't he trying?
This is Wilt levels of dominating the game
He is entering his PRIME, joker is the GOAT
Jokic is already top 10. Depending on his future he will end up top 3-5. His numbers are insane. Not just triple doubles either.
Jokers superpower is his Time Machine, always seeing plays before they happen in real time! That's why people don't understand how he slowly gets there before anyone!
1:41 suddenly drops from legendary to generational
Jokic game will age amazingly, i wouldn't be surprised if his longevity became better than durant.
Yes, EXCEPT that he might just be over it in a few years?
@FlowerSupply420 true, but money is always a motivation
He is already top 11 or 10 for me. If he wins another one or two rings hed be top 5 fo sho
jokic averaging more points than shaq or kobe’s mvps is a product of era and pace. jokic is all time great but context needs to be added. kobe averaged 35 ppg when teams were averaging 95-97 points per night. jokic is averaging 29 while teams are averaging 114
Thank you. Jokic is absolutely amazing and I'm positive he would have been successful in any era, but comparing individual stats like this is complete nonsense. Yet, even the big pundits are doing it (pretty intentionally, I suspect) all the time. It's probably only gonna get worse...
Sure, but that’s what the mvp award does. It declares the best player out of all the current players.
He’s already top 10 and it’s not even questionable you trippin bruh
He had a GOAT case but ppl don’t want to talk about that
He has one championship, settle down buddy
@@marcelo1458 championships don't define players greatness, buddy
@@marcelo1458and Bill got 11 still not the goat 😂😂
Sadly we could say this every year of the past 5 years of his career he’s on Goat tier
Joker is top15 player now and alltime mvp. He needs one more ring and mvp to enter top10 He has 5-6 years to achieve this.
Dude is still mad that he didn’t win a gold medal this summer. And as the saying goes, he “took that personally.” He’s making the whole league suffer in retaliation.
cool video effect from 0:05 to 1:17 (the "wavey 'old-VHS-tape'" feel), but more than 1 FULL minute was too much. veryyy distracting. 4 or 7 seconds, not 70 seconds please. Keep up the great work. Cheers ~
we're not talking about giannis enough, he's right there with jokic.
Forces plays
This system of comparison is not fair. It' MUCH easier to score points today than it was in the past, due to rule changes that free up the offense, and depress the defense. That being said, Nikola is the MAN!
Jokic could win 5 more rings and 5 more MVPs and people would still say Jordan is better
Because Jordan is better
Curry didn’t suffer from voter fatigue: he suffered from playing on stacked teams
It’s not voter fatigue for Luka it’s just he hasn’t had a compelling enough season over jokic
Luka definitely deserved it last season
Luka isn’t efficient enough
@@hdbuckets8154 How is 49% from the field not efficient enough? Russ shot 42% from the field in his MVP campaign and Luka damn near averaged a triple double as well🤦♂️
@@cartierr6717 Westbrook shouldn’t have won mvp. He cost his team shooting them out of the game and his ridiculous turnovers
I think if he wins RSMVP, FMVP, and ring this year, he’s easily top 15 all time. If he does it again, he’s top 5.
This is a great video. Looking forward to watching your subs climb!
The dude is a unicorn. A basketball unicorn. A Serbian Basketball Unicorn.
If he keeps this up AND WINS IT ALL It def might b the greatest single season ever
Good video. Clearly inspired by Jxmy but thats not a bad thing. I think you could work on things like tone inflection and cadence (they soound monotonal and repetitive), maybe a bit better mic. Keep going
Man if only Jokic was American and blk, the media would have been giving him the gluck 3000 combo on the DAILYYY
You guys pretend like they haven't given him 3 MVPs.
From future!
I am seeing Joker smashing his stats and braking new records
Great video! thanks.
The blur effect in the intro was a bit much, I almost clicked out
Great video 🙏
I think it’s interesting he’s such a good facilitator in the center position. As far as my pick for most compete center id normally go with Hakeem. He does everything a center supposed to do on both sides of the ball, but jokic is so different. He plays chess on the court, using every piece to their fullest. A shame he’s on the nuggets.
Not just because of my love for my country man, the things he is doing since the start of season can only be though of fantastic, amazing or marvelous, just to show how great he is doing so far, as a person who played NBA live and other NBA games since the start of the new millennium, even in games with I admit it using chet codes I had no wear near such numbers with players with a 99 rating, so you can say the man broke the game, being the biggest superstar without acting like one, just a simple easy going Sombor native who took the basketball world like a storm, and change it for ever. You go Joker, take home at least another ring or two and cement your place among the top 50 greatest players to handle a ball since the game was invented!!!
I would love to watch him with, for example, Luka Dončić. I think they would dominate the league plus they are good friends. That would be a treat to watch 💯
People need to stop saying Jokic is unathletic. He is a professional athlete and dominates in a league full of other professional athletes. In that sense, he is actually the most athletic of all.
It is utterly impossible to get within a mile of playing in the nba and not being extremely athletic. Just because he’s white and doesn’t jump high doesn’t mean he’s some random dude off the streets.
Michael Jordan's 1987-88 season was unparalleled; no one, including Jokic, will ever surpass that performance.
67-68 wilt
30 point triple double mvp season doesnt beat that? How?
@@froyocrew with better efficiency
Damn the algorithm put Jokic fanboys on my feed 😭
Can't you see, when he doesn't see Michael Malone, Calvin Booth-Jamal Murray doesn't want to spend, he fulfilled his goal, he signed a max contract as if he were an All Star and MVP. 52,250,000 per season. His contract is secure and he will play sometimes when he wants to play. With a max contract, he has to be a starter. Imagine a player with 52 million per season sitting on the bench, and JS playing with a 2 million contract. JM-MPJ as starters have the worst first half in the NBA - they don't want to play defense, when they play badly they say it's our fault, like MPJ said at the end of the season - they say he's to blame for the loss but they go to the bank and withdraw the money - the money is secure no matter how they play.
Dragičicee influenserko
I agree! Difference with us and them is money isnt everything, we play for ourselfs, our pride. They got the money and now its like you said. Pozdrav Dragica
If jokic DECIDES to play 4-5 more season then statistically we might be witnessing the greatest center of all time no joke
Great video. I actually think there have only been 3 players to win 4 MVPs and 2 Finals MVPs. MJ, Lebron, and Kareem. Finals MVPs weren’t around for most of Wilt and Russel’s careers. Wilt won in 72 but it wasn’t around in 67.
Jokic the GOAT in basketball!!❤❤❤
Skill wise, Jokic might be the GOAT, but when it comes to achievements he is barely in top 10, unfortunately the goat conversation is more about achievements than skills cause the ultimate goal is making your team win.
Jokic has already achieved records that the top 10 players could not.
Having 1 minute and 20 seconds of VHS effect in most important part of the video is criminal.
Well, now I don't feel bad playing my career on 2k.. finally feels realistic
It’s easy to have a stand out season, in today’s league where NO ONE plays defense and everyone shoots 3’a.
Transport any one of the past ATG’s to this era and triple what they did, then, and that would be the results of them playing in today’s league.
This is great analysis. However, be careful if you make up a new complex stat, and it shows that the player you are currently analyzing has the highest ranking of all time in that stat, you may have created a biased stat for this specific players strength.
In other words, I am quite sure if you chose to add in other stats into your concoction, you would find the results lead you in a different direction, towards a different player with different strengths...
for sure. Jokic is changing the game. I mean a big man averaging a triple double. Amazing.
Let's see how far we have to move the gold post this year to try to give him another undeserved mvp.
If Jokic wins another ring he can definitely be in that top 15 conversation id have him clearing durant
That's cool, but they have to figure it out while he is on the bench. They can't just play him full 48 minutes a game all the time to win.
That team is completely lost when he's on the bench. They just pray to hit a couple 3s so they can keep the +- somewhat close
@ yea it really suck. they are stuck with Murray coz of the max extension. they can trade Porter and Nnaji to get something else.
True, such a bad bench situation
The fact that Jokic is the clear cut MVP is exactly why I stopped watching ball. ISO ball era was peak NBA idc
You can’t say anyone is having the best season in history with this era.
I think he might go down as the greatest player of all time.
The problem with the discussion at the end is I just don’t see the Nuggets winning another title. You can’t win a title with just 1 dude.
Dream is under rated but Joker will pass him just because he still has a lot of basketball to play. Joker ain’t over Curry. Curry top 10 right now.
I think one could argue Jokic as top 10 rn. Any further hardware & I think this discussion isnt if he's top 10, its where in the top 10 does he place.
Jokic G.O.A.T !! 2. M.J 3.Kobe 4.Lebron...
With what 20 games in, it is clear that the Nuggets cannot win without Jokic. With him on the bench the Nuggets simply start to crumble. When he is on the court, they are able to strike neck to neck or take the lead. You can see this in the game. He is the most valuable to Denver
One of the reasons people stand for Jokić is his humble attitude. He is not one of those who's pushing in your face how his mom worked 578 jobs to raise him and his brothers, while their father was in prison or abandoned them. How he grew up in streets surrounded by gangs, and that same bullshit we were fed for decades about how tough life is.
I wanna watch Jimmy High roller.
We have Jimmy High roller at home
We shouldn’t be comparing stats of today then stats of players from the 2000s and even early 2010s. The possessions are way too inflated today
Exactly. If people think Jokic or most any of today's top players be posting close these same numbers in an era with hand checking to run guys off the 3 point line and shrink the court, way worse 3 point shooters around them to boot, and almost every team having two legit bigs to man the paint to defend against your star big and to help grab rebounds, they are out of their minds.
eh, it goes both ways - the talent level is insane now, that all 10 players on the floor can play at elite level, while in the 2000s and even early 2010s, you had top heavy teams with one star and 4 fillers (for most teams).
You could argue that these numbers would actually be way higher, like Wilts were, since the competition was way behind. Put Wilt in the modern NBA and he might average 10-20ppg considering his limited dribbling and shooting, in a league where every big can shoot and dribble now. And the argument of "Guhh they're playing against Plumlee and shit while others centers played against Hakeem, Kareem etc., is also just plain wrong, since if you just take a moment to research the teams and their centers, there was 3-4 centers that were top tier, and then 25+ who legit couldn't even dribble or catch the ball. Shaq got destroyed by Divac on multiple ocassions, and Divac is literally a dude who started playing at 16 for the first time and lacked in a lot of areas, so Jokic would absolutely dominate Shaq. Let's remember Jermaine O'Neal was one of the best centers in the 2000s-2010s, a dude who legit wouldn't be getting any playing time in todays league due to lack of fundementals.
Point is there are many factors for both sides of the argument, and I personally, after researching this subject a bit due to curiosity, feel like it was easier to play earlier in the league. 80% of the nights you were matched up with a dude that couldn't play but was tall. People tend to disregard that most players before this era just hooped for fun and were the best at it, compared to how most players today have started training and aiming for the NBA since they were 5yo. That's at least a 10y headstart on actual training, and then you also consider how much technology allows people to progress faster and better now - your team has sports scientists that handle the optimal training and dietary regimes and so on.
At the very least it's debatable, and definitely not an easy stance to have with thinking the numbers are inflated. They are in some cases - like what Westbrook and Harden were doing, but that's easily spotted since it results in loses.
A basketball league that ignores an entire half of the game (Defense) should not be taken seriously. The NBA is selling a fake product.
@@Mycrosss people love to weaponize the differences in generations to try and prove any point they want, they never wanna admit it cuts both ways and they are hating just to hate or because they think it takes away from their favorite player.
@ yeah wilt was more athletic than anyone in the league rn and if he had been born in the year 2000 he would have learned all the skills necessary he would’ve shot 3s and adapted to the game that’s why you can’t compare eras
Curry has been the best player on his team every season he has been remotely healthy. That includes the kd years. Shown by every before and after. Curry and the system/gravity opened everything up for KD. 1:00
If he wins an mvp he is top ten if he wins finals mvp he is top 5
Valid
Top 5? No
Some old heads out here still think hes not even the best passing big man ever. When hes closer to the best passer ever.
Heres a question. If jokic somehow got his hands on a de'arron fox or dejounte murray, how much would nikola jokic benefit from having an all star/all nba caliber player? 55 win team? 60 win team? Finals favorite i mean seriously his second best player this season is mpj or aaron gordon and has never had a all star player. I believe if he had a good player by his side he'd be unstoppable. Like kd had curry, imagine if jokic had curry. It'd be the greatest duo of all time, absolutely unstoppable.
What's with the 1970's static line running through this early clips?
He is on progress to be a bonified top 10 all time player if not top 5
Scoring champ, dpoy, mvp, ring in the same season? No? Not the best all time.
2:00 Pretty big slip up here