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- In this episode, BEST 3 wheeler, 4 wheeler, ATC, ATV and even SXS and Odyssey Upgrade! I explain the benefits of a wider axle, the pros and cons to wheel spacers, custom axles, swapping factory hubs and wheels around to achieve the widest stance possible. I would even go as far as to say that widening the rear increase stability and therefore is safer.
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We Bought our Honda 400's that are wide front and rear, at first I did not think we would like them because we wide 50" Quad Trails mostly, but after we got them and rode them, we fell in love with them wider, gives much more stability in the turns. Yes you have to watch out for the stumps, and the roots. Ours are 48" wide , and the 2014 is 48" 1/2 in the Rear.
Great Video, as always!
Thank you sir, I appreciate it, I just wanted to show a few different options on getting a wider stance.
I have one of those 87 125m. Always good to see another one. It is the rarest 3 Wheeler
Looking forward to the 350x engine video. I learn a lot from your videos and so glad you take the time spread your knowledge.
Thanks Neil, yep the 350x has been a much longer rebuild than I had hoped. I'm looking forward to it also.
Bring back good memories
Yes, me too.
I have a Lonestar adjustable axle in my 300ex it was pricey but I like it when I swap wheels I just move the spacers either in front of behind the hub to adjust for the wheels
Great Info!!
I couldn't do it without great people like you.
Good video as always, good info! I usually do a combo of new tires/ wider tire, for some reason I just like a wider tire. They usually ride a bit nicer. Depending on the sidewall flex.
Good point! when changing the width of your ride is a good time to address options in wheel size, width and pattern. Thanks for watching in the bunker, Pat.
4" wider in the back is the benchmark I use for our trikes. We race cross country with ours and the added width and flex definitely helps. Tusk makes awesome aluminum hubs that give you plus 2" on a stock axle, my wife runs that on her 87 200X. My 250R uses a +4 axle
Agreed, I like plus 4 is a good benchmark
I swapped wheels and tires only on my 250sx and went from 40 inch width to 43 inches and on my worst off camber turn, it made a big difference in stability. Got the tires on a customers upgrade, had 9 inch stock wheels from a 250es that got 12 inch rims, paint I had in stock, and it cost me 2 tubes out of pocket. My 2500 is on the road and my SUV sold the same day, Except fo smelling like a barn, I'm doing great. Thanks.
I run tusk extended hubs on all my bikes works great for me. Remember the wider you go the more ground clearance you lose unless your running balloon tires
Tusk makes a great product. Not sure how ground cleance changes based on wheel placement.
I like the hub trick that's a good cheep way to go wider
I use that trick on most of my keeper machines, Thanks for watching
I just rebuilt an old 185s and one of the first things I did was widen it up. I used offset wheels and 400ex hubs. I ended up with 43 inches. Then I tried some tusk extended 400ex hubs but it was too wide (47 inches). On the pavement the front tire would noticeably drag(understeer) and since about 50% of my riding is on the street it just didn't feel right. I also noticed at about 55 mph it didn't feel as stable (twitchy) because you are basically shortening the wheelbase in relationship to the width. It also looked kinda weird too, I went back to the 43 inch set up. Anyway keep up the good work, love the channel.
Hi Robert, Yes you can get TOO wide, 43 is a good overall width, at 47 inch I would think bending an axle would be a concern. Thanks for sharing and supporting the channel. Thanks you for the kind words and I will do my best to keep the ATC content coming!
Some options.
The rolling chassis 200X a friend gave me years ago that used to belong to his brother has like 2.5" spacers on the back with some 25x13x9 on the factory rims.
Spacers work well, 25inch tires are kinda big on the 200x, I believe 22 was the factory height, I like 20's myself, it really depends on how you ride your machine. Thanks for watching
@@mrcbuilds Yeah I think he ran 25" on it cause he used the bike more for trail riding an not racing it or jumps, I was gonna stick the rims on the 250ES but they wont fit cause of the brake drum, also thought of putting them on the back of the 200ES but of course I would have to change the hubs to the smaller pattern.
Great review. Got a chance to spend some time on my 250sx this week, and it needs the treatment along with my 200x with the s motor. Will I have to switch to 9 inch wheels if I upgrade to 300x/400ex hubs on the 200x? Just a matter of focused scrounging! My GMC 2500 is almost done and I can't wait to show Harvey the in bed winch set up and of course the 1500 will get a winch set up also. Got the chain installed, the winch ready to go and I'll use an extra truck battery to power it instead of running jumpers to the truck's battery. Better to burn out then rust.
I have a Yamaha 225 and I run quad +2 hubs with 8" 3+5 wheels. When I am going woods riding I flip the offset. Narrows the rear 4 inches. Also puts the tire valve on the inside but its easy to reach.
That a good point about getting the value stems moved inboard for certain terrains. Thank for sharing and welcome.
Dude I can't wait to get this 250es done and get the crap out of yard first projects over with I'd like to find a 250r because I wanna 2 stoke . I am learning what to look for cracks etc and some upgrades I wouldn't have known about. Hope the storm doesn't hit you too hard and being you have a Van Halen don't you think you might as well jump !! Haha
Well, I wouldn't book a trip to "panama" this week. Lol yep 2 stokes are fun. Keep an eye out and you will find one.
Well if the storm hits and I have to stay home a few days that's OK cause I'm still HOT FOR TEACHER !! LOL 😆
Most traction with weight over tires though
you make me miss my 200x... i was to big for it but still.
Find you a 350x. Might fit you better.
@@mrcbuilds I got a badass 1986 350x completely rebuilt. I sold my 200x for $1400 in 2017 and it was mint. Only thing wrong with islt where the fork seals wish I didn't sell it. It actually looked exactly like the one on this video title. Black seat DG exhaust and all.
I got ya, glad to hear your still on 3.
1. I didn't know your dad died last year. I couldn't imagine your pain. It's a "Catch 22". We don't want to see our parents die and they don't want to see their children die. It sucks. 2. I see you have got 5K subscribers! Congratulations! I really think you can get 10K by the end of the year. Part of me says you might have to change things up and do different things. Stick to your base, but people like "change" and different things. Maybe more videos of you riding Big Reds and 350X. A lot of people want to see what 3 wheelers are good for and what they can do. I'm just throwing ideas. It's your channel so do what you want. Best wishes to you, man!
Thank you 3 knives, yeah I kept it to myself, focused on other things and stayed busy. As much as it is a part of growing up, you never want to experience it. Yes 5k, thanks for the suggestions I will see what I can do. Thanks for your support.
Yep, that's a really cool tip loved that fact that you used the "S" Word and can you believe it, about three wheeler's of all things, nope can't be true they're out lawed most dangerous things on the or off the road, TE HE. Has nothing to do with people or parents not taking personally responsibility for buying their kids a bike that was way to over powered for them. It's the violent video game theory all over again. Loved the videos so much my man, around my neck of the wood people do not know anything about ATC in general other then the gossip that go's around "Oh they have three wheels they must be dangerous", funny because I do believe Harley Davidson makes a three wheeled Motorcycle. That's ok because I watch the youtube channel BVC Offroad and they are bringing the three wheeler back check it out yourself. Anyway God Bless my friend and have a good one.
Thank you for the kind words, yes BVC the leader in 3 wheeler conversions. Nice product too. I'll stick to the old school bikes, I dont need to out run my guardian angel. Lol thanks for watching.
@@mrcbuilds Roger that and you're very welcome.
I have Vito's Performance 400ex hubs and used 9in rear wheels off a 400ex on my '84 atc 250R. Those two changes were under $200 for both and made my bike more stable.
That's a great setup. thanks for sharing Hanky B.
Hello, great info, but what about 350x and 250r water cooled, what options you can recommend for 2in increase
The 350x and 250r have different axle spline count. But many of the same options. Aftermarket axles like lonestar or durablue, aftermarket hubs and offset wheels, you can find spacers also. But there is no cheap factory hub swap for those machines.
I bought some used tusk extended hubs for cheap when I was building my auto-x. I was already overbudget and they were the cheapest thing on ebay at the time. I love them would like a few more really helped in turns. I have some turf tamers I'm excited to run on the hubs at trikefest. Are you going to be at trikefest? I would like to shake your hand.
Also I really like used itp holeshots anytime I see some used I pick them up they are great when they are about %50 life they allow you to controllably slide into a corner but have enough bite to pull away well. I like a 20 on a 9 inch rim for my 200x. Sadly I'm running some used dunlops now. I paid $75 for wheels and tires couldn't pass them up at that price.
Thanks for the comments, and I'd like to shake yours too, but not this year may be next year.
Hey bud, love your channel, quick question a bit off topic. I have an '85 200x (had to pull the engine) I was able to pop off the front sprocket/chain without cutting. Is it possible to get the current chain that is still intact back on?
Yes, install the engine, place the chain around the both sprockets and line up the front sprocket on the spline of the engine, slide it on, then bolt on the retainer.
@@mrcbuilds Hi, thanks for the advise, been trying that. There is NO slack in that chain, will keeping messing with it. Pulled the engine btw because of the dreaded kick starter assembly not catching, yikes. Think we got that fixed, learned allot from your channel or checking for spark and compression for example.
I hat buns will fit a 1981 250r? Looking to get it out there a couple inches on each side
??? Check your spline count on the 1st gen R. Hubs might be a good option, spacers and wheels with more offset could help to.
I have a 1981 honda 200 atc what options do I have to widen the rear axle
I would look I to swapping the hubs to a 300ex or 400ex. You will have to swap rims too, you can pick up some used alluminum wheels and tires cheap on marketplace. That will gain you about 6 inches
What's a good carb upgrade I have a 85 200x or jetting with a DG exhaust
Honestly. Stock carb with stock jetting if only upgrade is the exhaust
what size ball hone did use on the 200es? i was curious wanting do on mine. asked on that video but hoping this one get attention maybe?:/
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How do I know what extended hubs will fit my 85 Honda 200s
All of the 185/200cc axle spline count are the same as 300ex and 400ex but the bolt pattern is different. You will need matching wheels with 4x110 bolt pattern
Hey brother love the channel. Curious ?. My 125M lost spark, plugs good. Is there a usual culprit on the 84s? What other coil can I try if that.
You can use most any 12v. Coil I would check all the grounds first hook up a battery or jump box. Check your rotor is clean and about a business card gap. Pull the cdi and tap it on the ground. Then retry. If needed coil and cdi are both readily available.
@@mrcbuilds much appreciated indeed
Mine did the same thing found out the pin that locks the pulser rotor from spinning on the cam shaft broke. Had to make my own out of a old dremel bit shaft. And he is absolutely right about the gap. Also i had one where the power wire going to the stator broke. The black and red striped wire.
i got a 1987 125 atc.i want to widen the rear axel. it doesnt look like a 4x110 spacer will work .i just put new knobbies on the rear 2 piece rims. i bet a newer rims will not fit my new tires it has 22x11x8 tires. do you know the bolt pattern on the 87 125 off top of your head? it dont look the same as my sons chineese 125 4wheeler.it has the 4x110
www.myboltpattern.com/atv-bolt-patterns/
Happy Thanksgiving. Do you know if the trx 200sx shares the same axle spline? If possible I would like to wide mine up.
Thank you for your time.
I would think yes the only machines that are different are the 350x and 250r
@@mrcbuilds Rock on man. Thanks!
Where did you get your ITP 8×10 wheels? I used to have some on a 85 200x and man I regret selling it! Just got a 84 200x today and it has 9" wheels but I really love the look of 8×10's can't find them anywhere
Chaparral moto, ebay or amazon. Douglas wheel makes one also if you cant find itp.
@@mrcbuilds Thanks for getting back to me man I appreciate it!
Have you ever put wheel spacers on a 250sx? I seen one with the right rear drum showing. How can you do that and the drum stay tucked in the wheel?
The drum dose not need to be in the wheel to work. I have had 2 inch spacers on my 85 SX.
I know, it just don’t look right. I quess the spacer could go behind the drum
@@James-bb2ke well, you could convert to a disc brake.
That sounds good. Do you have a video of how to?
First......It's hard to see but those gold 250r wheels have the full closed lip like 300ex 400ex... so they are enkei 86 87 TRX wheels most racers took them off and dropped to 8 inch for racing, oh and there in dang good shape.... I like the look but be careful not to damage them
I am sure your correct Tricycle guy, There not in as good of shape as they look, I "cleaned them up a lot" lol thanks for watching.
@@mrcbuilds well they look good for youtube... but some where is a quad guy searching for them.... and he's probably upset your using them, hahahah
Just got a chance to watch. Outstanding review. I find when I'm pushing my three wheelers around, I prefer a narrower footprint. Do you have any recommendations for losing width?
@@ThisOldTrike caster wheeled dollies
Where can I get replacement wheels for my 83 200e big red
Hi John, ATC200E Big Red 82-83 9x9 (Rim) 4/150 bolt patten, you will more than likely find a dual pattern wheel w/ the 4/150 pattern, companies like ITP make a wheel like this. But be careful the modern offset is not centered. like the OE wheels were. So if you can clean up one of your old wheels and put it on the front (centered) and put 2 modern wheels on the back or you can search around 3 wheeler forums like 3wheelerworld.com or Facebook Honda Hoarders and buy used factory wheels.
So mines already widened with more offset wheels but I got a question just because I can’t seem to find any replacement bolts online for the rear axle carrier on my 185s, do the 200s have the same bolts?? Would u happen to know bolt specs?
Go to www.partszilla.com look up your machine and the bolt. The look up a 200 and see if it's the same part number or even the same size and pitch.
@@mrcbuilds only the adjuster bolts pop up, so While I’m doin the rear bearings an sprocket I’ll jus pull out the carrier bolts then spec them or jus be lazy and bring them to the hardware store with me😅 ither way thanks for your help hopefully I can get this ole girl goin again🤘
Did i miss when you said what bolt pattern did you say these are
I asume you referring to the more common. 4x110 same as the 300 and 400 ex.
@@mrcbuilds thank you
81 82 250r are the same as 200x also
Thats good to know thanks.
That dura blue cost almost as much as the entire bike is worth I've heard it's near impossible to bend them though
They have a great reputation. That bike is my next build.
Hi, new to channel, I bought a 250SX this weekend. Had them as a kid, but seems like they shrunk in the past 38 years. Lol. Is the 350x much bigger in size? Like , would I feel better on that bike? Trying to decide whether to restore my 250sx or buy a 350. I don’t have a 350 to look at.
Yes the 350x is bigger and faster than the Sx. The 350x is a sport machine and the sx is really more designed for utility and lite sport riding.
@@mrcbuilds when you say the 350 is bigger, how much? Would I feel any different just sitting on it than my 250? It’s hard to explain what I’m trying to ask. Quess I Need to ride a 350 to see
@@James-bb2ke the riding position seems different to me. Bar height makes a big difference. Look up the specs on each machine i think that will aswer your questions at least until you get a chance to ride one.
What year 400ex hubs fit 82 83 big red? Do they fit the big red or just 200x? Thanks Mrc.
They are all the same spline except the 250r and 350x. Everything else is the same including 300ex, 400ex, 450r
@@mrcbuilds thanks.
Do the stock wheels from my big red bolt on to those hubs? Or do I need wheels from the other bike too? Thanks!
@@johnmokma8897 no the bolt pattern is different. You would need 4x110 bolt pattern 9in wheels to swap your tires over.
Can these rotten seat pans be saved by welding etc? I have two for my 1985 Honda 110 and they both are rusted out
Hey J. Yes they can, it is tedious work, also the teeth need to be reconstructed to grab the vinyl. Atcheaven makes a fiberglass pan for the 185s.
@@mrcbuilds will a 185s fit a 110?
I think it’s awesome that you support this niche.
@@Jh66150 no sir.
I'm trying to find wheel studs for my 83' 185s atc, best I can find online is there 8mm×25mm however I can't find locally or online anyone who sells them, im confused and lost, the internet has failed me if anyone can shed any light on where to go please comment, thanks
Also if I should drill out and go to a larger size that's more common would I have enough material left for the structure of the hub itself?
Other than from honda im told a geo metro wheel stud will work.
@mrcbuilds I reached out to my local Honda dealer they told me honda hasn't made anything like that in years I'm guessing they are wrong and you are right
@@aaronzimmerman81 go to partzilla.com look up the part number, search the part number on ebay and google. Im sure Honda still makes lug nuts. It might take some searching to find a replacement
Touch warm down there... ? 😂
Florida + metal building = oven. Yeah Its hot down here.lol
Will those 300 ex hubs work on a 125m?
Yes, The axle spline should be the same, you will need rims that fit the new hubs
@@mrcbuilds thank you for thw speedy reply. I bought the bike for 65 dollars canadian and all it needed was gas so buying some new wheels should be okay! 🤣