This is a very good video. Nice job friend. I would like to see a video discussing the "animation and fight choreography" as you put it. I really enjoy and appreciate the approach to analyzing the different styles in this video, and I think that this sort of outlook is very crucial and needed within the RWBY community right now.
Thanks. I want to make that video in the future, and I have some barebones plans for it, but I don't necessarily know when I'll do it. I know some basics and I have general ideas on what I'd say for each volume, but I'd feel way more comfortable after researching more into what goes into animation. It's definitely in my future though!
@@robinrising_ If you're not already familiar with the channel, NewFramePlus is a channel run by a professional game animator, and he does some animation breakdown videos on there.
Now that was an incredible analysis. Folks like you are exactly what the fandom needs more of. What I appreciate the most is the ending material that you could have easily stretched to a 20-25 minute video, and discussed every change bit-by-bit, but you *trusted* your viewers to read for themselves, so many TH-camrs don't do that these days and they expect their viewer to be as dumb as bricks. I look forward to seeing what other RWBY projects you have planned.
Not only that but I took some images from earlier in the video and moved them there so it'd be even shorter. Ilia's skin changes, Salem's Keep and others got pushed there JUST to make the runtime shorter. I'm thankful that you're watching the video at all but I know you'd much rather watch a 16-min one than a 25.
i think we're moving closer to a standard RWBY look, the V6 look, though i do think there's gonna be updates and improvements in lighting and character models
To be honest, I'm not sure what they'd do differently with character models (as I said in the video, I don't count 'different'-looking' character models as 'character models that work differently than before.' In that way, V4 was the last actual change. But you're just saying they're updated in that they have new outfits, I take it. For lighting, I could see that. I really did like V6's lighting because every scene felt bright and colorful regardless of if it were super gray (like Maria's flashback when she fought Tock.)
This was good! Always nice to have some analysis that isn't just complaining about stuff. haha As much as I believe V6 is clearly the best looking volume, I have a bit of a soft spot for V3. It had a nice blend between the more complex/detailed visual elements and the more stylised look that Poser gave the show. Though I heard they were basically at the limits of what the software was capable of at that point.
I recall them saying that the panning shot of everyone standing on the locker-ridden Nevermore (or maybe the shot of them readying their weapons outside of Beacon after leaving the airship, or both shots) were really multiple "shots" strung together to make it look like a continuous one because Poser couldn't handle the full length at once. Yeah they really needed to switch. I talked about that stuff in an earlier draft but had to cut it down in favor of a shorter runtime. This thing was probably 25+ minutes at one point. Those panels at the end allowed it to be so much shorter.
I love this video. I was waiting for people to address how different RWBY looked throughout the volumes. I honestly really miss the volume 1-3 design (especially volume 3). The Maya animation from volume 4 and on make the characters feel more distant (??).. I don't really know how to explain it. Anyway, great video!
Loved the video man, I've always been interested the visual evolution of RWBY and it tends to not get discussed much in-depth besides the obvious engine change Also the part about Nora's ribbon blew my mind because I heard them talk about it in the commentary as if they cut it before making it into the show so I'd never noticed it
It was really amazing as well with the evolution of the plot fit really well with the evolution of roosterteeth as a studio and their animation. Like with each season you got more skill with the animation combined with more depth of the world. Kinda like your looking at season one through a blurry scope and the more you focus the more the world came to life with each season. It obviously wasn’t intentional but it really lent to the show overall
Hmmm a pretty impressive first video. If you'r going to make another video, a sequel video on the topic of RWBY's visuals then maybe how the fights have changed from volume to volume.
Hey dude, great work here. I don't watch a lot of RWBY analysis videos, but this is definitely a good example of how to do it well. I just have one suggestion about readability: The comparisons at the end can be easily obscured when the video is paused due to YT's video layout. A lot of the times you have text at the very bottom, and that's where the bar/time/settings icons are. I'd keep that in mind when making graphics in the future. An easy fix for now though would be to link an album of those images in the video description. (Also, I'd say your font choice/colors could be better for the smaller text, but that might just be me and my bad eyesight)
Thanks! About the comparisons, that wasn't something I ran into with my computer because of its... well it's not a standard-sized display so it doesn't cut video when I pause. I'll keep that in mind! And I will get to making a gallery of all the images and link it as you said. It will be up shortly. EDIT: There is now a link in the description. Thanks for the constructive criticism! You've made a difference.
@@robinrising_ Looks good! I only made the suggestion because you mentioned pausing the video to get a better look, and I thought others might have run into the same problem as me. I didn't know bigger displays wouldn't have any issues though.
Great video, just found your content after finishing the last volume! Would love to see a follow up to this video with the latest three seasons, especially with Volume 7 and 8 detailing a very different kingdom from Vale and Mistral, and Volume 9's venture into a completely new world.
I've been waiting for a video like this! Glad to see that you also seem to have a good grasp on lighting and effects terminology; I think that gives you a vocabulary that helps breakdown specific differences in an easily-accessible way. Also new in V4: Wrists! Weiss has no wrists in V3, and Ruby doesn't have them in V2 either (and I only noticed just now because of the board game clip you used). Just floating severed hands stuffed into overly long sleeves. *shudder*
Though V3's models looked the smoothest in the Poser era, there was something about the lighting in Volume 2 I really liked. The bloom and colours seem much more prominent, and background colours seem more muted which made the characters stand out more. That said, the environments have consistently gone up and Atlas/Mantle in Volume 7 looks really gorgeous at places. Also, I never liked the shaded lips, they have always bothered me and always will, sadly. :c It's a subtle but substantial tipping point for me that looks "too 3D" and lacks that initial anime appeal.
I don't know if this is just me, but while watching Volume 6 I also noticed they may have added some extra little details to the characters models, e.g. fingernails, that weren't there before. As a post-Volume 7 perspective, I'd say that besides fight choreography improving, there haven't been too many changes in quality/visual development, which is nice in terms of consistency.
@@jcoolguy1548 it definitely has! I think I was just referring to how every Volume so far there's been a pretty noticeable improvement from the last in terms of animation / model quality etc., and right now the curve is just flattening a bit. I think V8 also had some improvements to it
And some sheer luck that unicorn of war happened to have a Volumes 1 and 2 hot take out of nowhere so I brought up the part 3 to this in his tweet replies. I've been in the FNDM since Volume 1 premiered but I'm just now making videos. Thanks. It means a lot!
God this video was a breath of fresh air in comparison to the other garbage "analysis" and "critique" videos certain TH-camrs have made recently about RWBY. Thank you so much for all your hard work good sir, take this like from me and have a wonderful day.
@@mumblerogre2455 No dumbass, all opinions are valid. But what certain youtubers claim are not opinions they are nitpicks at best and outright lies and fabrications at worse. Like a certain TH-camr trying to claim Yang doesn't have abandonment issues simply because she had her dad in her life whilst also discounting all other evidence against such a claim. That isn't an opinion that is just plain idiocy.
Another user informed me of this. I made a gallery with all of the images in it as a result. It's the first link in the description! Though the website I used made them kinda low-res, sadly. I might do something to fix it soon.
Yeah I'm torn between thinking it'll settle and be relatively like V6 versus them going nuts with particle effects or something like that. For all we know the heroes get caught in a blizzard that looks nothing like it did at Brunswick Farms even though it's only been one volume of change.
I feel like the animation hit a peak in Volume 6, but in Volumes 7 and 8, there was just something about it that makes the characters look like plastic toys. I think it was the lighting. The light is overall different in a way I can't describe but that makes the setting slightly less realistic.
I really enjoyed this. I’ve been wanting to find resources about how rwby has grown and changed through the years and this is exactly what I wanted. Any thoughts on fight choreography?
I plan to make a video on it after RWBY Volume 7 is done airing. Sometime in that offseason. The only thing I'll say for now is that 1 - fights in V3 were much more heavily scripted 2 - After Monty passed, fights began to be animated by multiple people (four even) and not just one person doing the entire thing (which often was just Monty) As for choreography itself, I haven't done enough research recently to form too many thoughts other than that V6 and V7 so far seem to hold true to his style
@@robinrising_ it's mostly text based, although I've seen working extensively on one of the designs. First I'll describe the group of creatures collectively, the Verandertiers, and then explain a single example. The Verandertier(s) (from tier verander, German for "changed beast"), are creatures native to the world of Remnant, being direct and indirect descendants of the planet's original inhabitants (who occupied the planet before the Gods remade it as they please). Like the Grimm, they are known to be a threat to to humanity. But unlike the Grimm, which do so for the sake of it and live to do so, Verandertiers attack out of a sense of self preservation, defending territory and young, or otherwise "misbehaving", being neither good nor evil. their unique status as lifeforms not made by the Gods and the unstable, chaotic, and always changing ecosystem the planet used to have, the Verandertiers are capable of "improvised ontogeny", a mutation like metamorphosis that allows an individual animal or other lifeforms to adapt to a variety of situations and to enable rapid evolution. An animal or person becomes one if they have a "V base" in their genetic makeup that then activates by various causes, usually life threatening ones like allergies, toxins, extreme injuries, etc. The resulting form is usually superior to its original counterpart in at least a few ways. As you can tell, a lot about these guys is biological and natural. This is because I am a HUGE fan of bringing creatures to a context like this, justifying why and how beautiful creatures do the things they do. They're also like this to differentiate them from the demonic Grimm, which to me, the huntsmen would be very used to at this point. So something new like the Verandertiers popping out of the blue should provide a couple of interesting and unique challenges for our heroes and villains. The specific example will come soon.
It's definitely charming! But not everyone thinks that way. It used to be hard to introduce people to RWBY when they could point to whatever animation or graphics other shows have like it automatically makes those more worth their time, but nowadays you can show them something made after the Beacon Arc and it gets a good point across.
Vol 2 and 3 had the best artstyle. The newer volumes are definitely technically impressive but the model designs are honestly terrible. Early volumes actually looked more like anime in part due to the simple shading and lighting but also because of facial and body proportions. In early volumes, the nose and mouth are bit higher up on the face, the irises of the eyes are much larger compared to the Sclera and a lot more oval-shaped as well (especially evident in vol 1), which is much more reminiscent of anime. The narrower shoulders also a closer to anime artstyles and these elements serve to make the characters look really cute. The only thing that isn't really "anime" about the earlier volumes is the large hand size which is not nearly as significant in impacting the feel of the artstyle as the facial and core body features. The new models just look ugly in comparison because they threw out a bunch of the anime-esque features.
@@plasmoasis the newer fight scenes have no flow or cinematography to them. It’s just throwing out abilities with no awareness for the space they are in. You can really tell when Monty passed as he saw fighting as more of a dance, something to be composed, not just made up on the spot.
This is a fascinating and succinct look at all the differences we may have noticed but never put into words. Thanks!
This is a very good video. Nice job friend. I would like to see a video discussing the "animation and fight choreography" as you put it. I really enjoy and appreciate the approach to analyzing the different styles in this video, and I think that this sort of outlook is very crucial and needed within the RWBY community right now.
Thanks. I want to make that video in the future, and I have some barebones plans for it, but I don't necessarily know when I'll do it. I know some basics and I have general ideas on what I'd say for each volume, but I'd feel way more comfortable after researching more into what goes into animation. It's definitely in my future though!
@@robinrising_ If you're not already familiar with the channel, NewFramePlus is a channel run by a professional game animator, and he does some animation breakdown videos on there.
Now that was an incredible analysis. Folks like you are exactly what the fandom needs more of. What I appreciate the most is the ending material that you could have easily stretched to a 20-25 minute video, and discussed every change bit-by-bit, but you *trusted* your viewers to read for themselves, so many TH-camrs don't do that these days and they expect their viewer to be as dumb as bricks.
I look forward to seeing what other RWBY projects you have planned.
Not only that but I took some images from earlier in the video and moved them there so it'd be even shorter. Ilia's skin changes, Salem's Keep and others got pushed there JUST to make the runtime shorter.
I'm thankful that you're watching the video at all but I know you'd much rather watch a 16-min one than a 25.
New animations + old visuals + Monty's combat choreography = perfection
i think we're moving closer to a standard RWBY look, the V6 look, though i do think there's gonna be updates and improvements in lighting and character models
To be honest, I'm not sure what they'd do differently with character models (as I said in the video, I don't count 'different'-looking' character models as 'character models that work differently than before.' In that way, V4 was the last actual change. But you're just saying they're updated in that they have new outfits, I take it.
For lighting, I could see that. I really did like V6's lighting because every scene felt bright and colorful regardless of if it were super gray (like Maria's flashback when she fought Tock.)
This was good! Always nice to have some analysis that isn't just complaining about stuff. haha
As much as I believe V6 is clearly the best looking volume, I have a bit of a soft spot for V3. It had a nice blend between the more complex/detailed visual elements and the more stylised look that Poser gave the show. Though I heard they were basically at the limits of what the software was capable of at that point.
I recall them saying that the panning shot of everyone standing on the locker-ridden Nevermore (or maybe the shot of them readying their weapons outside of Beacon after leaving the airship, or both shots) were really multiple "shots" strung together to make it look like a continuous one because Poser couldn't handle the full length at once. Yeah they really needed to switch.
I talked about that stuff in an earlier draft but had to cut it down in favor of a shorter runtime. This thing was probably 25+ minutes at one point. Those panels at the end allowed it to be so much shorter.
I was directed here thanks to @unicornofwar. I'm glad he mentioned your videos. +1 Sub!
I love this video. I was waiting for people to address how different RWBY looked throughout the volumes. I honestly really miss the volume 1-3 design (especially volume 3). The Maya animation from volume 4 and on make the characters feel more distant (??).. I don't really know how to explain it. Anyway, great video!
Loved the video man, I've always been interested the visual evolution of RWBY and it tends to not get discussed much in-depth besides the obvious engine change
Also the part about Nora's ribbon blew my mind because I heard them talk about it in the commentary as if they cut it before making it into the show so I'd never noticed it
It was really amazing as well with the evolution of the plot fit really well with the evolution of roosterteeth as a studio and their animation. Like with each season you got more skill with the animation combined with more depth of the world. Kinda like your looking at season one through a blurry scope and the more you focus the more the world came to life with each season.
It obviously wasn’t intentional but it really lent to the show overall
Hmmm a pretty impressive first video. If you'r going to make another video, a sequel video on the topic of RWBY's visuals then maybe how the fights have changed from volume to volume.
Hey dude, great work here. I don't watch a lot of RWBY analysis videos, but this is definitely a good example of how to do it well.
I just have one suggestion about readability: The comparisons at the end can be easily obscured when the video is paused due to YT's video layout. A lot of the times you have text at the very bottom, and that's where the bar/time/settings icons are. I'd keep that in mind when making graphics in the future. An easy fix for now though would be to link an album of those images in the video description. (Also, I'd say your font choice/colors could be better for the smaller text, but that might just be me and my bad eyesight)
Thanks! About the comparisons, that wasn't something I ran into with my computer because of its... well it's not a standard-sized display so it doesn't cut video when I pause. I'll keep that in mind!
And I will get to making a gallery of all the images and link it as you said. It will be up shortly.
EDIT: There is now a link in the description. Thanks for the constructive criticism! You've made a difference.
@@robinrising_ Looks good! I only made the suggestion because you mentioned pausing the video to get a better look, and I thought others might have run into the same problem as me. I didn't know bigger displays wouldn't have any issues though.
Great video, just found your content after finishing the last volume! Would love to see a follow up to this video with the latest three seasons, especially with Volume 7 and 8 detailing a very different kingdom from Vale and Mistral, and Volume 9's venture into a completely new world.
I've been waiting for a video like this! Glad to see that you also seem to have a good grasp on lighting and effects terminology; I think that gives you a vocabulary that helps breakdown specific differences in an easily-accessible way.
Also new in V4: Wrists! Weiss has no wrists in V3, and Ruby doesn't have them in V2 either (and I only noticed just now because of the board game clip you used). Just floating severed hands stuffed into overly long sleeves. *shudder*
Though V3's models looked the smoothest in the Poser era, there was something about the lighting in Volume 2 I really liked. The bloom and colours seem much more prominent, and background colours seem more muted which made the characters stand out more. That said, the environments have consistently gone up and Atlas/Mantle in Volume 7 looks really gorgeous at places. Also, I never liked the shaded lips, they have always bothered me and always will, sadly. :c It's a subtle but substantial tipping point for me that looks "too 3D" and lacks that initial anime appeal.
I don't know if this is just me, but while watching Volume 6 I also noticed they may have added some extra little details to the characters models, e.g. fingernails, that weren't there before. As a post-Volume 7 perspective, I'd say that besides fight choreography improving, there haven't been too many changes in quality/visual development, which is nice in terms of consistency.
I'd say the animation improved slightly in volume 7
It's definitely more anime like
@@jcoolguy1548 it definitely has! I think I was just referring to how every Volume so far there's been a pretty noticeable improvement from the last in terms of animation / model quality etc., and right now the curve is just flattening a bit. I think V8 also had some improvements to it
I can tell this is going to be a major up in coming channel. I better subscribe now before everyone else does
And some sheer luck that unicorn of war happened to have a Volumes 1 and 2 hot take out of nowhere so I brought up the part 3 to this in his tweet replies. I've been in the FNDM since Volume 1 premiered but I'm just now making videos.
Thanks. It means a lot!
I love the analysis and breakdown. Now that and the humor has earned you a sub and a like.
You know I could have sworn I was already subscribed to you your videos are so informative and I love learning about stuff.
God this video was a breath of fresh air in comparison to the other garbage "analysis" and "critique" videos certain TH-camrs have made recently about RWBY. Thank you so much for all your hard work good sir, take this like from me and have a wonderful day.
Ricardo Valdes
Hell yeah! Opinions that don’t line up exactly with my own suck!!
@@mumblerogre2455 No dumbass, all opinions are valid. But what certain youtubers claim are not opinions they are nitpicks at best and outright lies and fabrications at worse. Like a certain TH-camr trying to claim Yang doesn't have abandonment issues simply because she had her dad in her life whilst also discounting all other evidence against such a claim. That isn't an opinion that is just plain idiocy.
Ricardo Valdes I heard an oof across the ocean. Nice.
a pretty good first video
CAN'T READ SUBTEXT WHEN PAUSING. The TH-cam control panel and progress bar gets in the way.
Another user informed me of this. I made a gallery with all of the images in it as a result. It's the first link in the description!
Though the website I used made them kinda low-res, sadly. I might do something to fix it soon.
A neutral reviewer and analyser. I love it.
This was a really good video👍
The 2D painting technique been used in video games too.
Like the older Final Fantasy games (7-9)
incredible video
Can’t wait for volume 7’s look. Hopefully even better than volume 6
Yeah I'm torn between thinking it'll settle and be relatively like V6 versus them going nuts with particle effects or something like that. For all we know the heroes get caught in a blizzard that looks nothing like it did at Brunswick Farms even though it's only been one volume of change.
This was really cool! I did actually lern some things!
I stumbled here but this was a fascinating video!
That's good think, graphics upgrading is goid thing for the film making process
11:57 ep pls
That's from gen:LOCK Episode 2.
@@jasonsnider3133 👍👍👍
The looks were supposed to be simple for fans to cosplay and they were beautiful. Now it's all corsets and buckles.
I'm learning a lot about 3D show production recently and it makes me nervoouuussss
I feel like the animation hit a peak in Volume 6, but in Volumes 7 and 8, there was just something about it that makes the characters look like plastic toys. I think it was the lighting. The light is overall different in a way I can't describe but that makes the setting slightly less realistic.
Volume 2 is amazing
I haven't even watched RWBY, but this is a good vid
Yes, I think RWBY has been developed so mutch, making animated film need so mutch effort.
We all want Maya visuals and Monty's Devil May Cry choreography
So they use autodesk maya to modeling, riging and rendering from volume 4. That's make sanse because after volume 4 RWBY truly graphics looks good.
I really enjoyed this. I’ve been wanting to find resources about how rwby has grown and changed through the years and this is exactly what I wanted. Any thoughts on fight choreography?
I plan to make a video on it after RWBY Volume 7 is done airing. Sometime in that offseason.
The only thing I'll say for now is that
1 - fights in V3 were much more heavily scripted
2 - After Monty passed, fights began to be animated by multiple people (four even) and not just one person doing the entire thing (which often was just Monty)
As for choreography itself, I haven't done enough research recently to form too many thoughts other than that V6 and V7 so far seem to hold true to his style
Volume 6 had the best animations. I love it❤️❤️
Do you reply to comments?
Most of the time. Or I give the little heart thing that shows I've read it at least.
@@robinrising_ Can I ask you for some input on a creature or two I'm working on for RWBY, please? Id like to hear your thoughts.
@@praetorianrex5571 Sure. Is there art online somewhere, or is it mostly text based?
@@robinrising_ it's mostly text based, although I've seen working extensively on one of the designs. First I'll describe the group of creatures collectively, the Verandertiers, and then explain a single example.
The Verandertier(s) (from tier verander, German for "changed beast"), are creatures native to the world of Remnant, being direct and indirect descendants of the planet's original inhabitants (who occupied the planet before the Gods remade it as they please). Like the Grimm, they are known to be a threat to to humanity. But unlike the Grimm, which do so for the sake of it and live to do so, Verandertiers attack out of a sense of self preservation, defending territory and young, or otherwise "misbehaving", being neither good nor evil. their unique status as lifeforms not made by the Gods and the unstable, chaotic, and always changing ecosystem the planet used to have, the Verandertiers are capable of "improvised ontogeny", a mutation like metamorphosis that allows an individual animal or other lifeforms to adapt to a variety of situations and to enable rapid evolution. An animal or person becomes one if they have a "V base" in their genetic makeup that then activates by various causes, usually life threatening ones like allergies, toxins, extreme injuries, etc. The resulting form is usually superior to its original counterpart in at least a few ways. As you can tell, a lot about these guys is biological and natural. This is because I am a HUGE fan of bringing creatures to a context like this, justifying why and how beautiful creatures do the things they do. They're also like this to differentiate them from the demonic Grimm, which to me, the huntsmen would be very used to at this point. So something new like the Verandertiers popping out of the blue should provide a couple of interesting and unique challenges for our heroes and villains.
The specific example will come soon.
@@robinrising_ what do you think so far?
QwQ I thought it was pretty good at the very beginning dont get what people mean when they say it not that good
It's definitely charming! But not everyone thinks that way. It used to be hard to introduce people to RWBY when they could point to whatever animation or graphics other shows have like it automatically makes those more worth their time, but nowadays you can show them something made after the Beacon Arc and it gets a good point across.
Who else never noticed the bow on Nora's skirt
Vol 2 and 3 had the best artstyle. The newer volumes are definitely technically impressive but the model designs are honestly terrible. Early volumes actually looked more like anime in part due to the simple shading and lighting but also because of facial and body proportions. In early volumes, the nose and mouth are bit higher up on the face, the irises of the eyes are much larger compared to the Sclera and a lot more oval-shaped as well (especially evident in vol 1), which is much more reminiscent of anime. The narrower shoulders also a closer to anime artstyles and these elements serve to make the characters look really cute. The only thing that isn't really "anime" about the earlier volumes is the large hand size which is not nearly as significant in impacting the feel of the artstyle as the facial and core body features. The new models just look ugly in comparison because they threw out a bunch of the anime-esque features.
It’s evolving, just backwards
how
@@plasmoasis the newer fight scenes have no flow or cinematography to them. It’s just throwing out abilities with no awareness for the space they are in. You can really tell when Monty passed as he saw fighting as more of a dance, something to be composed, not just made up on the spot.