Just purchased a 2023 Wilderness and we love it. No complaints. I do wish it had a heated steering wheel at this price point. And memory seats would be nice. I give the car 5 stars.
I test drove one and liked it soo much that I ended up ordering one , regardless of what some say it looks really nice in person and it just felt the best out of anything else I have test driven. Overall it's an awesome package that has everything in it , The only 2 things I wish it had are memory seats option and wireless android auto /CarPlay
Nice review. I’ve never owned a Subaru but I have never heard or read anything negative about it. The price is not bad for such a quality car. At first I thought Micah was wearing my t-shirt , but then I remembered I bought it from his website or saw it in one of his episodes.
You must not get out much. Subaru is the Chrysler of Japan. CVT failures, oil consumption, valve guide leaks, axle hub failures, cv axle failures, head gaskets. Subaru's are one of the reasons mechanics have well funded retirements.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 So because I don’t know Subaru is the Chrysler of Japan I don’t get out much? You comment makes a lot of sense so in order to go out you must know Subaru is the Chrysler of Japan. Got it.
I’m a mechanic and own my shop. I repair Subaru’s way more than any other Japanese brand. I’d steer clear of all Subaru’s. If you want a good awd and reliability go with Honda or Toyota.
For someone who doesn't offroad consistently, this is the perfect mix of ability to offroad on mild terrains without compromising almost any on-road comfort, safety, and overall features. There are plenty of more worthy off-roaders out there at this price point, but I chose mine given that 95% of my time is spent on road, and it is indistinguishable from any other higher trim SUV in the price range, which cannot always be said for most more capable off-roaders. One thing that wasn't mentioned is that the audio system is definitely subpar. adjusting the settings help, but not what you expect for the price. Great review otherwise!
Bought a 2022 Geyser Blue Wilderness last Thursday. I just sold our 2022 Onyx Xt and before that we had a 2021 Outback Limited non turbo and a 2021 Ascent Limited (I like cars). This Wilderness by far is my favorite. Way less lag. Tons of power and feels easy to get in with the added height. I do not hear tire noise compared to my Onyx Xt. If you are on the fence, just go drive one and you'll be owning one!
I only have 60 miles on it so far. You need to let the engine break in. I find my mileage always gets more accurate after 800 miles on my Subarus. I have been getting 23 mpg combined so far but I've been testing out that 0-60 quite often lol. I'll update after 800 miles on the engine. I expect it to be a few miles less than my Onyx XT which I was getting 29mpg hwy and 27 mpg city.
I have an Outback and like the idea of the CVT because it’s nearly “continuous” variability of your gearing but you’re right, from a driving perspective it’d be better if it felt like it was firmly in one gear.
I would have preferred an 8 speed automatic transmission, but it's probably not possible because of Subaru's all wheel drive system design, and the unique engine.
@@damilolaakanni It's not because of their AWD system, but it IS because of their flat-four engines not being known for fuel efficiency. Subaru was criticized for relatively poor fuel economy for years before switching to CVT transmissions. By now, they have invested too- heavily in the CVT to change. I'd guess most Subaru owners are oblivious to transmission design differences and learn to adapt to the oddities of their CVT (until they are shocked by the potential $8,000 replacement cost).
@@kenhoward3512 Service the CVT every 40k miles and it should stay pretty darn reliable. Leave it alone and you'll start seeing problems right after 100k! Especially if you drive mainly in city traffic.
Awww The kiddo smell test.. lol That's what I love about your videos, Micah. They're fun and interactive.. Yes, you always involve your audience.. Job Well Done!!!
You have no idea what the wilderness is capable of, you didn’t even use both X modes. This vehicle is capable of way more than just going over a rock in the trail. There are way better reviews out there people.
To be clear, our goal isn't to push vehicles to their limits. After all, these cars are borrowed from the car makers. Our goal is to experience them like most buyers will...without damaging them.
You should mention how the wilderness also has a different AWD system than the standard Outback. I also wanted the premium trim but ended up with a Limited XT; I couldn’t pass up the turbo, love the heated steering wheel and Harmon Kardon sound system, and don’t need the Wilderness features. My XT Limited with winter tires has no problem getting through 8” of snow and 2 foot drifts. Absolutely love our Outback. On a side note, the Forester wilderness does not get the turbo, making the Outback a unique choice.
He's 100% right about the premium trim being the best choice. I preferred the turbo so I ordered an XT tho. It's basically the premium trim in turbo version
Funny thing about the latch flaps. I just got a 2009 Subaru Forester for a loaner (my 04 WRX was in service) and found the latch flaps when putting our kids child seats in them. Don't think I remember seeing latch flaps in a car before.
I really hate hate to disappoint Stringfellow Hawk but yes, we bought a Bronco. Even worse, we love it. The Bronco has been a reliable and capable SUV for our family.
I just purchased a 2022 Outback Premium a few days ago. I really like it! I was previously in a 2009 RAV4 with the 270hp V6 engine. The RAV4 was a rocket, but the new Subaru is much more planted in the curves, not as squirmy going over road imperfections, absorbs bumps easily, has less body roll, and is much smoother overall. I’m still getting used to the CVT. It seems like I really need to spool it up to get an acceleration out of it, whereas the V6 in the RAV4 had much more torque down low.
There is no other car as capable as as the Outback off-road and comfortable on paved roads. Even the Forester cannot compete with it. Also everyone will say no other off-road car will be as comfortable on fire-trails.
I just bought an Outback after testing both the Forester and Outback. Test both of you can. My take is the Forester is taller, but it’s less front to back room, and a shorter wheel base. so it turns a bit quicker and has a harsher ride, but interior height wise it feels very spacious. The Outback has more front to back room, a car like feel and longer wheel base so it’s very smooth and planted on the highway and stable at speed over road imperfections.
That ground clearance- have to off pave road it for sure. Looks comfortable. And love the move to include kiddo’s comments too! More perspective is always good. But cvt… sigh
I have the wilderness addition, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! Subaru made this vehicle right......has awesome pick up and go. Subaru should have done the wilderness a loooooooong time ago. Would I get another you may ask, hell ya.... it does wonders in the deep snow and mode setting. 😀😀😀
We’ve owned an Ascent (same drivetrain, but obviously heavier) for six months, and I still haven’t figured out how to drive it smoothly. If I do mid- or full throttle, then there is not much “surging and lulling” (great description, Micah.) But I drive gently, and inconsistent acceleration kills me.
@@mroaquin That’s the problem, though: by the time the turbo spools up, the CVT does it’s fake “shift” into second and it losses all power… until 2000-2500RPM at which is fake shifts to third gear. The fake gear shifts are what I blame the surging and slowing feeling.
@@ryanspeaker1132 Ours has smoothed out over time (been a year) and definitely better when warmed up. Don't gun it until you're at least 1/4 way between C and H.
I have a 2014 outback. Bought it used on 2017 I feel like its a Swiss army knife type of vehicle. Hard to get rid of because of the functionality and reputation
I think that i am going to like the seat material in the Wilderness version (not leather or cloth but more like a vinyl? Supposed to be waterproof and liquids aren't supposed to be absorbed into the cushion. I also like the much larger sunroof in the Forester version of the Wilderness. I have 1 on order and it is due in next week. I can't wait for Fall camping!
Have you you thought about your own reality show? Car and Helicopters? You have the perfect family to go from the internet to prime time. Just a suggestion.
Subaru should talk to people that live in mountain areas (Ex: Tahoe/Truckee) that have modified their vehicles for more robust outdoor adventures and then incorporate the better ones into a model above this one. I think people would pay 40k for a well equipped offroad adventure version. Oh....add a turbo and get 300 hp
Subaru is not capable of making a product for us that live in mountain areas. CVT's that keep the engine at redline just to get over a mountain pass. Speaking of CVT's, Subaru makes garbage transmissions that burn up due to off road use. No low range, poor awd performance, mediocre long term reliability. Nope, there's a reason that Toyota 4Runner's are so popular in Colorado.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Colorado has I believe the highest number of Subaru's out of any other state (except maybe Washington and Oregon). No idea what you are going on about. I've never heard of Subaru's CVT burning up due to mountain use. AWD performance is well beyond 99% of all other vehicles in the price range and beyond (plenty of videos out there that prove this). Reliability is fantastic, many of them going 200k to 300k miles from what I've seen (including my own Subaru at 240k miles that still drives like new). None of what you said is close the reality.
@@slandshark warranty claims and data prove otherwise. Source - senior warranty administrator for the nations top 5 extended warranty companies I’m glad you’ve had a good experience, but many have not. Subaru is working hard to improve their image, but in reality they are a niche brand that regionally popular. In the Desert Southwest, Midwest, and the South they are almost non-existent in terms of popularity.
Micah, I’m in the process of buying Subaru Outback Wilderness 2023 and every time I’m looking up about the CVT engine and I get so much hated by many people. Are they reliable?
We have a 2022 Outback XT (pretty much the same) and it's "jerky" at low speeds with the CVT and powerful turbo. Also in cold weather that infotainment has issues (we just went through 3 days of -7). Other than that it's a great vehicle.
Great review! I’m in the market for a new vehicle, and test driving this really surprised me. It had the space I’m looking for, decent touch screen (better than the ascent), and gets awesome gas mileage. I’m not familiar with the brand but am seriously considering the Outback now.
The Wilderness has a 4.41:1 final ratio vs the 4.11:1 in a regular outback for good start ability and off road grunt. But it comes at a price in fuel consumption 26 MPG highway vs the regular Outback of 33 MPG highway with the 2.5 Liter naturally aspirated standard engine. The forced induction of the turbo 2.4 Liter boxer engine for greater power (260 HP vs 182 HP) does not help the fuel consumption either. Power comes at a price. Especially now with American Bidenflation price of fuel. What I do like about the Wilderness is that X-Mode does NOT disengage above 25 MPH, like the X-Mode on the standard Outback. Note that both Outback engines are direct injected (vs the older port injected engines). So it remains to be seen if the intake valves will carbon up over time, like other direct injected engine intake valves do, especially on the turbo 2.4 liter engine.
The infotainment? Clunky, and reminiscent of Soviet war surplus. OK, not entirely. It’s pretty intuitive, but when you get behind the screen you’ll know what I mean.
Ok, time to say this...You are suppose to have your drivers side rearview mirror adjusted to see down the side of the car and slightly to the lane next to you. Hence, your blind spot. The "B" pillar is never in the way to turn your head to your left to make sure a car is not right next to you. You are never looking over your left shoulder, past the B pillar to check your blind spot, that is what your properly adjusted mirrors are for. You should be able to see all around your car without having to sit up or bend forward in your seat.
@@MicahMuzio I drive an older BMW e46 3 series and a Toyota Sequoia. I use to professionally drive a black & white Crown Vic here in SoCal. Oh, I also drive a Cessna 😁
@@deetlo First, hi5 on the Cessna! It's always good to meet a fellow pilot. Regarding blind spots, imagine you're in the #1 lane changing to the #2 lane. If there is a car positioned laterally in the #3 lane going for the same spot as you in the #2 lane, you'll never see it using only your mirrors. Even with the mirrors adjusted correctly, it's impossible for a driver to verify lateral clearance without turning their head. Which explains why box trucks and 18-wheels that have terrible lateral visibility always feature wide-angle mirrors in addition to standard mirrors. As a motorcyclist I appreciate drivers who verify the lane is clear before merging...but the thick B and C pillars found on new cars make that lateral check more difficult to perform.
@@MicahMuzio Point well taken! Oh, and I ride two wheelers as well. Was not trying to bash on you guys, just making an observation. Keep up the great videos you guys are doing. Nice job!...More Heli videos please :D
@@deetlo Motorcyclist too? I like you even morel. :) Oh, and no offense taken. I always welcome respectful input and critques. More heli videos coming soon!
For sure the transmission is inconsistent and annoying. Sorry it’s true, at least for the 2018 model I had for a few years. Not a deal breaker but annoying.
My 2021 Legacy Touring XT with the 2.4 turbo drives me nuts at a freeway onramp that I often take. I come down on the accelerator to get up to 65 by the time I hit the freeway and it surges and hesitates and generally doesn't seem to know what it wants to do on a sweeping curve with the throttle down pretty far. Its impossible to do it smoothly. So yeah, that engine/transmission combo definitely doesn't have good consistency. Noticed it the second day I had it.
@@shaymiles4355 Well, as Micah said a driver can get used to anything and I have after 9 months. Still, the other day I drove a naturally aspirated Kia Forte with their version of a CVT (IVT) and it was so smooth its its delivery, even though much slower.
Get rid of the CVT and bring back gears..... I miss my old 2001 Subaru Outback with a real transmission. I wouldn't own one of these. Honda Passport is the way to go.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Heads up. Jatco CVTs are known for failure. Jeep, Subaru, and Nissan all put them in their cars. They are bad news. Many fail before 50k. We owned a Nissan with one and it was replaced twice before 50k. We will never make that mistalke again.I know a few people with Toyotas that have Toyota CVTs that are near 200k without failure. Hondas are in the same realm. I would never buy a vehicle with a Jatco transmission. They have way too high of a failure rate. I don;t mean any disrepect in this reply. In my group of family and friends there have been Jeep, Subaru, and Nissans that have all had to have Jatco Trannys replaced. With many failing before 80-90k, with some much sooner. For me, It will be a traditional geared transmission, or, in the case of my Honda, and eCVT, which is nothing like a tradational CVT. Alex on Autos does a great video on how they work. I appreciate your input. Unfortunately the only Subaru worth owning now is one with a manual until they become discontinued. I also fear DCTs. I drove a Hyundai with one and it was great, but it only had about 5k on it. Only time will tell if the DCTs do any better thatn the CVTs.
@@darylhurlbut3473 I’m so glad you get it. I’m a senior warranty claims administrator and I processed claims for hundreds if not thousands of these vehicles. I’m no cvt fan. But I also don’t pick on them just to be a pain. My opinions are solely based upon the data I use within my company. In fact, my company vehicle is a 2019 Infiniti QX60 with a cvt. You are spot on with your analysis. Nissan had models that were more prone to failures. The Versa, Sentra and Rogues were the worst offenders. I approved those claims most often. Right around 2016 Nissan made major changes to their cvt’s and maintenance schedules. Transmission coolers, fully synthetic fluid, and most importantly 30k mile cvt fluid changes. These changes eliminated 99% of the Nissan claims I approved. In 2017-18 Subaru took the lead in cvt failures and has lead the industry in failures since then. Subaru, as you may know, does not require or even allow cvt fluid changes in their cars. The fluid burns up and the cvt’s fail at around the 60-80k mile mark. Toyota and Honda learned from Nissan and Subaru’s mistakes and made a quality unit. I’ve got 140k miles on my company QX60 cvt and it’s working flawlessly. Cvt fluid changes every 30k miles is the trick to longevity. I also agree with your take on DCT transmissions. I’ve processed hundreds of claims on Ford Focus’s with its horrendous dct.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 I appreciate your info. The Nissan we had was a 2014 Sentra. After the second transmission replacement, we traded it immediately for a 2019 Jetta with a manual. I'm really afraid of anything from Nissan after that car. I'm happy to hear that they are making changes. Thank you for your input. I'm always happy to have constructive and informed opinions. Your knowledge on the subject is excellent.
@@BruBrusmayhem If by "most okay" you mean driving characteristics - then you may be correct. Its smooth and balanced. If by "most okay" you mean reliability - then you're mistaken. Subaru cvt's are the most trouble prone and repaired cvt's on the road at this time.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 this is completely false statement Nissans are the most unreliable at the moment, they literally have walls of CVT transmissions in their shops waiting to replace their customer’s defective units. That comes from personnal contacts working at two different Nissan dealers Subaru does have issues with their first gens, but Subaru increased their warranty to 7 years 160 000km and put out recalls to address potential problems, which not a lot of manufacturer would even consider doing. I have worked at subaru for 3 years and reliability issues with CVTs wasnt a thing. We had some units to repair, yes, but not enough to call it an out of hand issue. I replaced 10 times more engines in a similar sized hyundai dealership, in comparison.
@@BruBrusmayhem complete and utter bullshit. 100% Subaru propaganda and fanboy garbage. I’m a senior claims administrator for the United States top 5 extended warranty companies and your claims are nowhere near what I oversee and analyze on a daily basis. I’d have agreed with you if this were 2015. Back then Nissan had a very high rate of failures and led the industry by a large margin. Since 2015, Subaru far exceed the claims rate of Nissan. Subaru sets the industry standard for risk and claims data since 2018. From 2015-2017 Honda led the industry in claims due to failing cvt’s on their 2013-2014 cvt models that were coming out to the factory warranty’s. Subaru took the lead in 2018 and has remained the industry leader in cvt failures. On any given day I process senior level claims for Subaru cvt’s at twice the rate of any other manufacturer. My assumption is that either you are a Subaru fanboy and spewing 100% false information, or you are from a country other than the United States and do not have data that pertains to this country.
@@mikezwarich5622 I've owned a Passport for the last 2 years and agree that they are bland. I'll also add that mine hasn't lived up to the reliability claims. I've had transmission issues, issues with the stability control and ongoing electrical issues that Honda still can't fix. In fact it's ben with the dealer now for a week while they try to figure out a current issue with the auto start/stop. My plan is to trade it for an Outback if I can get it back in working order.
I am torn between this and the Bronco Sport, but at this time, the Subaru dealers are tacking on massive markups, making this in the $50k range. May end up with the baby Bronco, since the Ford dealerships in my area are not doing that. Great review though and may have to still give it a test drive.
I would advise against either. Both Ford and Subaru are NOT good for reliability. Subaru's and Ford's have tons of problems. Look towards Toyota 4Runner, Rav4 TRD, Honda Pilot, or Honda Passport.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 is the car unreliable or is it owner negligence for not keeping service up to date?.. I have two Subaru's sitting in my driveway that would prove your assessment wrong not only that I'm part of large Subaru groups all across the country.
@@HoopsKing25 likely due to both owner neglect as well as poor design. My Forester fleet all had one or more of the above issues and I dealer serviced them according to the severe schedule.
I was torn between the Bronco Sport and the Outback Wilderness as well. We ended up going with the Outback and absolutely love it. One thing is that there are tons of Bronco Sports out there, but I haven't seen another Outback Wilderness yet. I think you'll be happy with either.
I’m with you. Lots of oversteer, almost sloppy at speed. The CVT phony shifts are a bust. Something tells me without the bogus shift points, acceleration would be dynamic, like an electric motor. I like mine. It’s fun, unusual, and good on gas.
There's a somewhat recent video of the Subaru Ascent and the reviewer does a 0 to 60 from a stop. He brake/boosts the launch (holds the brake, presses gas, releases the brake) and on that run he manages to get something like 6.3 seconds 0 to 60mph in the Ascent, which is suppose to be 7.1 seconds. In addition, the CVT didn't 'shift' at all. So I think you are correct, without the fake shifts the subaru CVT's would be a lot smoother and quicker.
Subarus are the worst driving cars, but so practical, and with affordability/value that’s hard to beat. I love the interior and exterior orange accents on this.
They have a very particular fan base that are fiercely loyal to the brand and specific models. The are owned by GIANT CONGLOMERATE FUJI HEAVY INDUSTRIES and Subaru is a very small albeit important part of their businesses. They are decently made with decent reliability and with a very strong heavy dose of quirkiness added in to give their fans a special brother/sisterhood membership feeling. They do what they do well... and are proud of it.
@@gabevillarreal96 I drove a Forrester for 2 years. It was the most boring car ever but I appreciated its reliability and practicality and overall value, even though it was a company car. I even took it off road a few times for shits n giggles.
@@gabevillarreal96 Subaru has hired some of the world's best marketing firms over the years. Subaru marketed their cars towards lesbians years ago and to this day that marketing campaign effectiveness has stood fast. Subaru also marketed their awd as superior to others in the past. Previously it was, however as of about 10 years ago other manufacturers awd systems far exceed Subaru's system, but the marketing campaign holds on amazingly well as Subaru fans will die before they admit their vehicles awd system is subpar. Currently, Subaru is now the choice for the dog owners as their current marketing campaign is targeting dog owners extremely heavily. Subaru is a quirky, obscure car for most. Prevalent in the Northwest, Colorado, and the Northeast. It's virtually unseen on the road in other parts of the country for countless miles.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 unbelievable, you are wrong on so many points. I'm a truck driver, I see Subarus everywhere. I'm not even going to start on the AWD statement.
@@irfanspace go try one ! it's up there with the best feeling steering wheels on the market. Far better than any other reasonably priced imports for sure
Outback=Wagon
Forester=SUV
Proper comedy and proper review. Always a treat ! Thank you
Can you please get kiddo a microphone?
Just purchased a 2023 Wilderness and we love it. No complaints. I do wish it had a heated steering wheel at this price point. And memory seats would be nice. I give the car 5 stars.
Should have waited for 2024 then
Even the base outbacks have heated steering wheels in Canada so not sure why that gets excluded for USA? Doesn’t it get cold in some states? 😂
Most to ALL SUV's look like a Outback but they're not called a "Station Wagon" !!! A Outback IS an SUV !!!
You got yourself some car review competition in the back seat. Excellent experience for her. Awesome videos.
I have a Wilderness and I absolutely love it!!!
I test drove one and liked it soo much that I ended up ordering one , regardless of what some say it looks really nice in person and it just felt the best out of anything else I have test driven. Overall it's an awesome package that has everything in it , The only 2 things I wish it had are memory seats option and wireless android auto /CarPlay
2023s have wireless carplay
2023 has it.
Which trim?
Going to buy one this week
Best of luck with your purchase!
I love my 2023 wilderness.. Awesome ride and love the turbo..😅
I love the blue on the Subaru Outback Wilderness.
I absolutely LOVE owning the wilderness model. It’s fun, fast, quiet, and definitely off road worthy! Great review and great job subie
Hey Joe are you averaging around the combined 24 MPG? I've seen owners say they are getting way under that.
I’m not. It ranges wide between 18-21
Nice review. I’ve never owned a Subaru but I have never heard or read anything negative about it. The price is not bad for such a quality car. At first I thought Micah was wearing my t-shirt , but then I remembered I bought it from his website or saw it in one of his episodes.
You must not get out much. Subaru is the Chrysler of Japan. CVT failures, oil consumption, valve guide leaks, axle hub failures, cv axle failures, head gaskets. Subaru's are one of the reasons mechanics have well funded retirements.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 So because I don’t know Subaru is the Chrysler of Japan I don’t get out much? You comment makes a lot of sense so in order to go out you must know Subaru is the Chrysler of Japan. Got it.
@@juliopaez4516 thank you sir.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 I've never had a lick of trouble with my Subaru. Best vehicle I've owned. And where I live, it hasn't had a easy life
I’m a mechanic and own my shop. I repair Subaru’s way more than any other Japanese brand. I’d steer clear of all Subaru’s. If you want a good awd and reliability go with Honda or Toyota.
That's a very interesting point the kid made about the smell. I'm very sensitive about that as well.
For someone who doesn't offroad consistently, this is the perfect mix of ability to offroad on mild terrains without compromising almost any on-road comfort, safety, and overall features. There are plenty of more worthy off-roaders out there at this price point, but I chose mine given that 95% of my time is spent on road, and it is indistinguishable from any other higher trim SUV in the price range, which cannot always be said for most more capable off-roaders. One thing that wasn't mentioned is that the audio system is definitely subpar. adjusting the settings help, but not what you expect for the price. Great review otherwise!
Is the Subaru Outback an SUV or a wagon? Correct answer. Yes.
First video of seen from you and I love the format. More please!
I really appreciate you taking a moment to leave such a kind comment. Cheers, Dante!!
Great review as always, now I’m curious to take it for a test drive! 🎉
It's an excellent car. Reminds me of what Volvos used to be. Very functional.
The funnest reviews here!! 🥳👍🏼
Bought a 2022 Geyser Blue Wilderness last Thursday. I just sold our 2022 Onyx Xt and before that we had a 2021 Outback Limited non turbo and a 2021 Ascent Limited (I like cars). This Wilderness by far is my favorite. Way less lag. Tons of power and feels easy to get in with the added height. I do not hear tire noise compared to my Onyx Xt. If you are on the fence, just go drive one and you'll be owning one!
How is the actual fuel mileage?
I only have 60 miles on it so far. You need to let the engine break in. I find my mileage always gets more accurate after 800 miles on my Subarus. I have been getting 23 mpg combined so far but I've been testing out that 0-60 quite often lol. I'll update after 800 miles on the engine. I expect it to be a few miles less than my Onyx XT which I was getting 29mpg hwy and 27 mpg city.
wow new car every year... enjoy it, i am also thinking of getting one.
I have an Outback and like the idea of the CVT because it’s nearly “continuous” variability of your gearing but you’re right, from a driving perspective it’d be better if it felt like it was firmly in one gear.
I would have preferred an 8 speed automatic transmission, but it's probably not possible because of Subaru's all wheel drive system design, and the unique engine.
@@damilolaakanni It's not because of their AWD system, but it IS because of their flat-four engines not being known for fuel efficiency. Subaru was criticized for relatively poor fuel economy for years before switching to CVT transmissions. By now, they have invested too- heavily in the CVT to change. I'd guess most Subaru owners are oblivious to transmission design differences and learn to adapt to the oddities of their CVT (until they are shocked by the potential $8,000 replacement cost).
@@kenhoward3512 Service the CVT every 40k miles and it should stay pretty darn reliable. Leave it alone and you'll start seeing problems right after 100k! Especially if you drive mainly in city traffic.
The best part is you’re always in the right gear. The worst is that you’re never in the right gear
@@MicajahMcCurry Haaaa!!!!
Hi Micah where did you go for off roading.
Kiddo is so precocious! Maybe let her do a little review of her own from a Kiddo perspective. Great review. Thanks.
I picked my up from Marino's in Etobicoke,Ont, Canada 1 month ago......and I Love it! Everything about it screams AWESOME!
I'm really hungry 😅
You guys are freaking awesome! I Thoroughly enjoy your reviews!!! Can’t wait for the next ☝️💕
Awww The kiddo smell test.. lol
That's what I love about your videos, Micah. They're fun and interactive.. Yes, you always involve your audience.. Job Well Done!!!
I have one, just a note, that 700 lbs is static (not moving/parked) its only 220 while driving.
Based on your recommendations I decided to go with the frosty and fries. Very satisfying.
You have no idea what the wilderness is capable of, you didn’t even use both X modes. This vehicle is capable of way more than just going over a rock in the trail. There are way better reviews out there people.
To be clear, our goal isn't to push vehicles to their limits. After all, these cars are borrowed from the car makers. Our goal is to experience them like most buyers will...without damaging them.
Great review
I thought that Evie would have gone for that car instead of the Ford Bronco. Great review!!
Love the kid review. 😄
Awesome video!
You should mention how the wilderness also has a different AWD system than the standard Outback. I also wanted the premium trim but ended up with a Limited XT; I couldn’t pass up the turbo, love the heated steering wheel and Harmon Kardon sound system, and don’t need the Wilderness features. My XT Limited with winter tires has no problem getting through 8” of snow and 2 foot drifts. Absolutely love our Outback. On a side note, the Forester wilderness does not get the turbo, making the Outback a unique choice.
That's false. The Wilderness can send 100% of the torque to either the front or the rear axles.
Wilderness Outback has a massive inter cooler on the top of the engine for the turbo sooo…..
@@bfarm44 so do all Subaru 2.4t models.
He's 100% right about the premium trim being the best choice. I preferred the turbo so I ordered an XT tho. It's basically the premium trim in turbo version
yeah spot on, Premium trim with the power hatch + intelligent key is the best for most people. I do also like the turbo so Onyx XT for me
9:37 nice nail polish Micah
Base price 26k??? That's not a thing. They started at $37k.
Funny thing about the latch flaps. I just got a 2009 Subaru Forester for a loaner (my 04 WRX was in service) and found the latch flaps when putting our kids child seats in them. Don't think I remember seeing latch flaps in a car before.
I’m ready for frosty and fries now.
I am hungry too, thanks for asking.
love it but wish this blue color was available on the non "wilderness" trim....don't need the extra ride height or cladding but LOVE this blue...🤷🏻♂️
You bought a bronco now i am disappointed 😮😮😮
I really hate hate to disappoint Stringfellow Hawk but yes, we bought a Bronco. Even worse, we love it. The Bronco has been a reliable and capable SUV for our family.
I really wish there was a “driver’s car” version of the Outback.
5 speed manual, slammed with an exhaust and bigger turbo, yes please
That was the old Legacy GT wagon... Wish they still made that.
I just purchased a 2022 Outback Premium a few days ago. I really like it! I was previously in a 2009 RAV4 with the 270hp V6 engine. The RAV4 was a rocket, but the new Subaru is much more planted in the curves, not as squirmy going over road imperfections, absorbs bumps easily, has less body roll, and is much smoother overall. I’m still getting used to the CVT. It seems like I really need to spool it up to get an acceleration out of it, whereas the V6 in the RAV4 had much more torque down low.
I've got a V6 RAV4 too, and looking into an out back. Appreciate your comment, good info
That v6 rav4 was Toyotas fastest vehicle in their lineup when they came out with it at that time lol
There is no other car as capable as as the Outback off-road and comfortable on paved roads. Even the Forester cannot compete with it. Also everyone will say no other off-road car will be as comfortable on fire-trails.
100k!
Looks good. Only concern is choosing between this and a Forester. They look really similar now at a glance.
I just bought an Outback after testing both the Forester and Outback. Test both of you can. My take is the Forester is taller, but it’s less front to back room, and a shorter wheel base. so it turns a bit quicker and has a harsher ride, but interior height wise it feels very spacious. The Outback has more front to back room, a car like feel and longer wheel base so it’s very smooth and planted on the highway and stable at speed over road imperfections.
i bought a forester because the windows are bigger, and the seating position is taller
the cvt is suppsoed to simulate an auto, so i cant agree with your assesment of the cvt. but overall decent review
the seatbelt chime will even disable the radio if you continue to not wear your seatbelt
I found out you can turn off the seatbelt chime by clicking the seatbelt 20 times while in accessory mode. It’s been so much better since.
That ground clearance- have to off pave road it for sure. Looks comfortable. And love the move to include kiddo’s comments too! More perspective is always good. But cvt… sigh
Remember:
X-mode 1 is for flat slipping/icy surface
X-mode 2 is for any other road/slope conditions
I have the wilderness addition, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT! Subaru made this vehicle right......has awesome pick up and go. Subaru should have done the wilderness a loooooooong time ago. Would I get another you may ask, hell ya.... it does wonders in the deep snow and mode setting. 😀😀😀
Petition to make sweety's smell test a manditory part of every review
I am adding my TH-cam comment signature.
Its not sweety( that's his wfe) it's his daughter's sniff test.
@@gabevillarreal96 You know he uses the enderment interchangably right?
plus i know his wife's name: Evie so i would have said her name if i was refering to her, PS @Evie if you are reading this im you #1 fan lol
We’ve owned an Ascent (same drivetrain, but obviously heavier) for six months, and I still haven’t figured out how to drive it smoothly. If I do mid- or full throttle, then there is not much “surging and lulling” (great description, Micah.) But I drive gently, and inconsistent acceleration kills me.
The turbo spools up around 2000 rpm. Stay above or below that for the most consistent power.
Good luck heard Ascent is prone to cvt problems
@@mroaquin That’s the problem, though: by the time the turbo spools up, the CVT does it’s fake “shift” into second and it losses all power… until 2000-2500RPM at which is fake shifts to third gear.
The fake gear shifts are what I blame the surging and slowing feeling.
@@scaldon2 2019 did, 2021 not so much. either way that's what a warranty is for, and subaru actually honors warranty claims.
@@ryanspeaker1132 Ours has smoothed out over time (been a year) and definitely better when warmed up. Don't gun it until you're at least 1/4 way between C and H.
I have a 2014 outback. Bought it used on 2017 I feel like its a Swiss army knife type of vehicle. Hard to get rid of because of the functionality and reputation
I've had a Legacy Limited for years. Wonder how I'd like the Outback version? This is a super-duper Outback?
The most enticing thing about the outback is that it’s basically on a class of its own
Go
Y0?
Again ur perfect car 😎
I think that i am going to like the seat material in the Wilderness version (not leather or cloth but more like a vinyl? Supposed to be waterproof and liquids aren't supposed to be absorbed into the cushion. I also like the much larger sunroof in the Forester version of the Wilderness. I have 1 on order and it is due in next week. I can't wait for Fall camping!
Just get a 4runner?
4Runners look great, but are absolutely horrible for fuel economy, and look like they are from the 90s inside.
Just sacrifice mpg, tech, comfort? No thanks
Kid smell test? Makes so much sense :D
Have you you thought about your own reality show? Car and Helicopters? You have the perfect family to go from the internet to prime time. Just a suggestion.
My daughter is very sensitive to new car small also.
wish Subaru did pano roofs instead of those dinky sunroofs.
I have a pano roof in my 2021 Ascent
@@elkhuntingpatriot6418 okay okay..The Ascent is the ONLY Subaru that has a pano sunroof.
8:24 "People come in different sizes..." Wait, what you trying to say! 💢
I thought you purchased a Bronco.
Subaru should talk to people that live in mountain areas (Ex: Tahoe/Truckee) that have modified their vehicles for more robust outdoor adventures and then incorporate the better ones into a model above this one. I think people would pay 40k for a well equipped offroad adventure version. Oh....add a turbo and get 300 hp
Subaru is not capable of making a product for us that live in mountain areas. CVT's that keep the engine at redline just to get over a mountain pass. Speaking of CVT's, Subaru makes garbage transmissions that burn up due to off road use. No low range, poor awd performance, mediocre long term reliability. Nope, there's a reason that Toyota 4Runner's are so popular in Colorado.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 I live in Tahoe. They're all over the place here and throughout the Sierras. I do wish they'd drop the CVT.
@John Dough So you speak for everyone? LOL. Yeah, didn't think so
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Colorado has I believe the highest number of Subaru's out of any other state (except maybe Washington and Oregon). No idea what you are going on about. I've never heard of Subaru's CVT burning up due to mountain use. AWD performance is well beyond 99% of all other vehicles in the price range and beyond (plenty of videos out there that prove this). Reliability is fantastic, many of them going 200k to 300k miles from what I've seen (including my own Subaru at 240k miles that still drives like new).
None of what you said is close the reality.
@@slandshark warranty claims and data prove otherwise. Source - senior warranty administrator for the nations top 5 extended warranty companies
I’m glad you’ve had a good experience, but many have not. Subaru is working hard to improve their image, but in reality they are a niche brand that regionally popular. In the Desert Southwest, Midwest, and the South they are almost non-existent in terms of popularity.
Micah, I’m in the process of buying Subaru Outback Wilderness 2023 and every time I’m looking up about the CVT engine and I get so much hated by many people. Are they reliable?
We have a 2022 Outback XT (pretty much the same) and it's "jerky" at low speeds with the CVT and powerful turbo. Also in cold weather that infotainment has issues (we just went through 3 days of -7). Other than that it's a great vehicle.
Great review! I’m in the market for a new vehicle, and test driving this really surprised me. It had the space I’m looking for, decent touch screen (better than the ascent), and gets awesome gas mileage. I’m not familiar with the brand but am seriously considering the Outback now.
At 7:00 #QuickSteeringRatio @eviedish’s hair drift’s due to the Wildernesses body roll. New segment…Hair-Drift Rating. LOL
Muzio family on the move. Little Sweetie knows her cars! Come on everyone, Subscribe! I'm waiting for that windowless white van review.
As my kiddo noted, that white van review is coming up really fast. :)
The subaru outback is a SUW Sport Utility Wagon 😂.
Better than the ford bronco?
For our needs, no. But we can definitely see why so many mountain folks drive Outbacks.
The Wilderness has a 4.41:1 final ratio vs the 4.11:1 in a regular outback for good start ability and off road grunt. But it comes at a price in fuel consumption 26 MPG highway vs the regular Outback of 33 MPG highway with the 2.5 Liter naturally aspirated standard engine. The forced induction of the turbo 2.4 Liter boxer engine for greater power (260 HP vs 182 HP) does not help the fuel consumption either. Power comes at a price. Especially now with American Bidenflation price of fuel.
What I do like about the Wilderness is that X-Mode does NOT disengage above 25 MPH, like the X-Mode on the standard Outback.
Note that both Outback engines are direct injected (vs the older port injected engines). So it remains to be seen if the intake valves will carbon up over time, like other direct injected engine intake valves do, especially on the turbo 2.4 liter engine.
The infotainment? Clunky, and reminiscent of Soviet war surplus. OK, not entirely. It’s pretty intuitive, but when you get behind the screen you’ll know what I mean.
Ok, time to say this...You are suppose to have your drivers side rearview mirror adjusted to see down the side of the car and slightly to the lane next to you. Hence, your blind spot. The "B" pillar is never in the way to turn your head to your left to make sure a car is not right next to you. You are never looking over your left shoulder, past the B pillar to check your blind spot, that is what your properly adjusted mirrors are for. You should be able to see all around your car without having to sit up or bend forward in your seat.
Can I ask what kind of car you drive?
@@MicahMuzio I drive an older BMW e46 3 series and a Toyota Sequoia. I use to professionally drive a black & white Crown Vic here in SoCal. Oh, I also drive a Cessna 😁
@@deetlo First, hi5 on the Cessna! It's always good to meet a fellow pilot.
Regarding blind spots, imagine you're in the #1 lane changing to the #2 lane. If there is a car positioned laterally in the #3 lane going for the same spot as you in the #2 lane, you'll never see it using only your mirrors. Even with the mirrors adjusted correctly, it's impossible for a driver to verify lateral clearance without turning their head. Which explains why box trucks and 18-wheels that have terrible lateral visibility always feature wide-angle mirrors in addition to standard mirrors. As a motorcyclist I appreciate drivers who verify the lane is clear before merging...but the thick B and C pillars found on new cars make that lateral check more difficult to perform.
@@MicahMuzio Point well taken! Oh, and I ride two wheelers as well. Was not trying to bash on you guys, just making an observation. Keep up the great videos you guys are doing. Nice job!...More Heli videos please :D
@@deetlo Motorcyclist too? I like you even morel. :)
Oh, and no offense taken. I always welcome respectful input and critques. More heli videos coming soon!
For sure the transmission is inconsistent and annoying. Sorry it’s true, at least for the 2018 model I had for a few years. Not a deal breaker but annoying.
My 2021 Legacy Touring XT with the 2.4 turbo drives me nuts at a freeway onramp that I often take. I come down on the accelerator to get up to 65 by the time I hit the freeway and it surges and hesitates and generally doesn't seem to know what it wants to do on a sweeping curve with the throttle down pretty far. Its impossible to do it smoothly. So yeah, that engine/transmission combo definitely doesn't have good consistency. Noticed it the second day I had it.
@@shaymiles4355 Well, as Micah said a driver can get used to anything and I have after 9 months. Still, the other day I drove a naturally aspirated Kia Forte with their version of a CVT (IVT) and it was so smooth its its delivery, even though much slower.
Get rid of the CVT and bring back gears..... I miss my old 2001 Subaru Outback with a real transmission. I wouldn't own one of these. Honda Passport is the way to go.
Subaru spent millions investing in a cvt from Jatco. I don’t see such a small company throwing always millions of dollars.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 Heads up. Jatco CVTs are known for failure. Jeep, Subaru, and Nissan all put them in their cars. They are bad news. Many fail before 50k. We owned a Nissan with one and it was replaced twice before 50k. We will never make that mistalke again.I know a few people with Toyotas that have Toyota CVTs that are near 200k without failure. Hondas are in the same realm. I would never buy a vehicle with a Jatco transmission. They have way too high of a failure rate. I don;t mean any disrepect in this reply. In my group of family and friends there have been Jeep, Subaru, and Nissans that have all had to have Jatco Trannys replaced. With many failing before 80-90k, with some much sooner. For me, It will be a traditional geared transmission, or, in the case of my Honda, and eCVT, which is nothing like a tradational CVT. Alex on Autos does a great video on how they work. I appreciate your input. Unfortunately the only Subaru worth owning now is one with a manual until they become discontinued. I also fear DCTs. I drove a Hyundai with one and it was great, but it only had about 5k on it. Only time will tell if the DCTs do any better thatn the CVTs.
@@darylhurlbut3473 I’m so glad you get it. I’m a senior warranty claims administrator and I processed claims for hundreds if not thousands of these vehicles. I’m no cvt fan. But I also don’t pick on them just to be a pain. My opinions are solely based upon the data I use within my company. In fact, my company vehicle is a 2019 Infiniti QX60 with a cvt. You are spot on with your analysis. Nissan had models that were more prone to failures. The Versa, Sentra and Rogues were the worst offenders. I approved those claims most often. Right around 2016 Nissan made major changes to their cvt’s and maintenance schedules. Transmission coolers, fully synthetic fluid, and most importantly 30k mile cvt fluid changes. These changes eliminated 99% of the Nissan claims I approved. In 2017-18 Subaru took the lead in cvt failures and has lead the industry in failures since then. Subaru, as you may know, does not require or even allow cvt fluid changes in their cars. The fluid burns up and the cvt’s fail at around the 60-80k mile mark. Toyota and Honda learned from Nissan and Subaru’s mistakes and made a quality unit. I’ve got 140k miles on my company QX60 cvt and it’s working flawlessly. Cvt fluid changes every 30k miles is the trick to longevity. I also agree with your take on DCT transmissions. I’ve processed hundreds of claims on Ford Focus’s with its horrendous dct.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 I appreciate your info. The Nissan we had was a 2014 Sentra. After the second transmission replacement, we traded it immediately for a 2019 Jetta with a manual. I'm really afraid of anything from Nissan after that car. I'm happy to hear that they are making changes. Thank you for your input. I'm always happy to have constructive and informed opinions. Your knowledge on the subject is excellent.
Cover your ears everyone, the Muzios have some serious beeping going on!🤣😂
I agree with the new "new car" smells. Some are really awful.
For sales reasons, "WAGON" should be taboo terminology!
Subaru owners have man-buns, eat quinoa and don’t use deodorant. I highly doubt station wagon is a trigger word for them.
If only it came in a manual
As a Cvt hater, I still bought one and it’s the most tolerable I ever bought.
@@MicajahMcCurry same here. its literally the ''most okay'' CVT on the market.. The manual mode actually holds ''gears'' pretty decently
@@BruBrusmayhem If by "most okay" you mean driving characteristics - then you may be correct. Its smooth and balanced. If by "most okay" you mean reliability - then you're mistaken. Subaru cvt's are the most trouble prone and repaired cvt's on the road at this time.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 this is completely false statement
Nissans are the most unreliable at the moment, they literally have walls of CVT transmissions in their shops waiting to replace their customer’s defective units. That comes from personnal contacts working at two different Nissan dealers
Subaru does have issues with their first gens, but Subaru increased their warranty to 7 years 160 000km and put out recalls to address potential problems, which not a lot of manufacturer would even consider doing.
I have worked at subaru for 3 years and reliability issues with CVTs wasnt a thing. We had some units to repair, yes, but not enough to call it an out of hand issue. I replaced 10 times more engines in a similar sized hyundai dealership, in comparison.
@@BruBrusmayhem complete and utter bullshit. 100% Subaru propaganda and fanboy garbage. I’m a senior claims administrator for the United States top 5 extended warranty companies and your claims are nowhere near what I oversee and analyze on a daily basis. I’d have agreed with you if this were 2015. Back then Nissan had a very high rate of failures and led the industry by a large margin. Since 2015, Subaru far exceed the claims rate of Nissan.
Subaru sets the industry standard for risk and claims data since 2018. From 2015-2017 Honda led the industry in claims due to failing cvt’s on their 2013-2014 cvt models that were coming out to the factory warranty’s.
Subaru took the lead in 2018 and has remained the industry leader in cvt failures.
On any given day I process senior level claims for Subaru cvt’s at twice the rate of any other manufacturer.
My assumption is that either you are a Subaru fanboy and spewing 100% false information, or you are from a country other than the United States and do not have data that pertains to this country.
That Outback is not nearly as roomy inside as a Passport or Cross Sport, I doubt it's even as spacious as the Santa Fe.
It's better than the Santa Fe - we test drive both with 3 older kids in the back.
Never tried the Passport as I can't get past the (IMO) bland looks.
@@mikezwarich5622 I've owned a Passport for the last 2 years and agree that they are bland. I'll also add that mine hasn't lived up to the reliability claims. I've had transmission issues, issues with the stability control and ongoing electrical issues that Honda still can't fix. In fact it's ben with the dealer now for a week while they try to figure out a current issue with the auto start/stop. My plan is to trade it for an Outback if I can get it back in working order.
Thank you for the observations about your Passport problems. I’ve been cross shopping it with the Outback.
Love it just not that color!
I am torn between this and the Bronco Sport, but at this time, the Subaru dealers are tacking on massive markups, making this in the $50k range. May end up with the baby Bronco, since the Ford dealerships in my area are not doing that. Great review though and may have to still give it a test drive.
Subaru of America gave a warning to the retailers about marking up the vehicle's.. I highly recommend the outback.
I would advise against either. Both Ford and Subaru are NOT good for reliability. Subaru's and Ford's have tons of problems. Look towards Toyota 4Runner, Rav4 TRD, Honda Pilot, or Honda Passport.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 is the car unreliable or is it owner negligence for not keeping service up to date?.. I have two Subaru's sitting in my driveway that would prove your assessment wrong not only that I'm part of large Subaru groups all across the country.
@@HoopsKing25 likely due to both owner neglect as well as poor design. My Forester fleet all had one or more of the above issues and I dealer serviced them according to the severe schedule.
I was torn between the Bronco Sport and the Outback Wilderness as well. We ended up going with the Outback and absolutely love it.
One thing is that there are tons of Bronco Sports out there, but I haven't seen another Outback Wilderness yet.
I think you'll be happy with either.
I’m with you. Lots of oversteer, almost sloppy at speed. The CVT phony shifts are a bust. Something tells me without the bogus shift points, acceleration would be dynamic, like an electric motor. I like mine. It’s fun, unusual, and good on gas.
There's a somewhat recent video of the Subaru Ascent and the reviewer does a 0 to 60 from a stop. He brake/boosts the launch (holds the brake, presses gas, releases the brake) and on that run he manages to get something like 6.3 seconds 0 to 60mph in the Ascent, which is suppose to be 7.1 seconds. In addition, the CVT didn't 'shift' at all. So I think you are correct, without the fake shifts the subaru CVT's would be a lot smoother and quicker.
Subarus are the worst driving cars, but so practical, and with affordability/value that’s hard to beat. I love the interior and exterior orange accents on this.
They have a very particular fan base that are fiercely loyal to the brand and specific models. The are owned by GIANT CONGLOMERATE FUJI HEAVY INDUSTRIES and Subaru is a very small albeit important part of their businesses. They are decently made with decent reliability and with a very strong heavy dose of quirkiness added in to give their fans a special brother/sisterhood membership feeling. They do what they do well... and are proud of it.
@@gabevillarreal96 I drove a Forrester for 2 years. It was the most boring car ever but I appreciated its reliability and practicality and overall value, even though it was a company car. I even took it off road a few times for shits n giggles.
@@ohroonoko Nice!!!
@@gabevillarreal96 Subaru has hired some of the world's best marketing firms over the years. Subaru marketed their cars towards lesbians years ago and to this day that marketing campaign effectiveness has stood fast. Subaru also marketed their awd as superior to others in the past. Previously it was, however as of about 10 years ago other manufacturers awd systems far exceed Subaru's system, but the marketing campaign holds on amazingly well as Subaru fans will die before they admit their vehicles awd system is subpar. Currently, Subaru is now the choice for the dog owners as their current marketing campaign is targeting dog owners extremely heavily. Subaru is a quirky, obscure car for most. Prevalent in the Northwest, Colorado, and the Northeast. It's virtually unseen on the road in other parts of the country for countless miles.
@@haroldbeauchamp3770 unbelievable, you are wrong on so many points. I'm a truck driver, I see Subarus everywhere. I'm not even going to start on the AWD statement.
The only thing that I don't like about the Outback is its exterior styling. Ugh!
Exactly. Station Wagon's are lame
Did the seats make you sweat excessively?
I have one and the seats do not make me sweat like the old vinyl seats did. Very comfortable
Yet ANOTHER Wilderness video 🤮
Interior is great , Steering wheel not , and exterior is not cool looking ..
What’s your steering wheel complaint? I’m digging mine
@@MicajahMcCurry check the shape , it's huge ring type and easily will get bend .. not looks strong
@@irfanspace go try one ! it's up there with the best feeling steering wheels on the market. Far better than any other reasonably priced imports for sure
@@BruBrusmayhem i will test drive soon 👍
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Subarus are geeky. "This one time at band camp."