I like how you can actually see Barry’s development in this scene. It’s obvious that Barry’s learned from his mistakes of Flashpoint and when he didn’t try hard enough to stop Caitlin from helping Deathstorm out.
I wish he wouldn’t have literally erupted into a lightning storm. That was harsh especially to destroy everything right in front of her. He could have just taken everything and locked it away. She was already in a low state and he just made it worse
@@samstone69 That’s understandable. I was surprised that he straight up destroyed the entire thing since it did feel OOC, but to be fair he did try and talk her out of it first
@@samstone69 I mean because of similar stuff she is doing right now just cost frost her life it’s one thing to try and support or try things like this but Caitlin literally just made deathstorm from an exact same decision and she is doing something similar again in fact basically the same just because she can’t overcome her grief she is trying to play god again. It’s like flash creates one flashpoint that brings about a great villains he tries to change things back to normal despite the fact he can’t reverse some stuff then the very next he goes in for another flashpoint again that’s exactly what Caitlin is doing
@@dunelone9840 you’re absolutely right. Tbh, this whole thing is Caitlyn’s fault (inadvertently). And in her grief (understandably) she’s not really making the best decisions. Could he have stopped her another way? Maybe. However, how many options does anyone have while she’s still working through trauma?
I love how he looks like he genuinely feels bad for what’s happening to Caitlyn through the lighting in his eyes and how he feels like he has to do this for her
Barry make the right choice because is a bad idea to bring frost back like I said Catlin you just need to let her go because Cisco brother died he try to let it go but now he did it from the past and Barry mother and father died but now he let it go you should too Catlin just let it go
I'm glad someone is watching the flash. I'm not going to miss it when it gets cancelled. The flash was one of my favorite characters however I really hated the CW version of him. I wish l never heard of the CW
I love how you can still see the amount of pain destroying her work caused him it shows you that he cares and that he knows nothing good can come from either action he takes
@@Biorythym he isn't actually screwing up things that he's trying to fix though, he thinks he can fix or change something but doesn't know what he's doing and ends up messing up things instead. Kinda different 😁 Although we have seen him so so so many times do the opposite, when he uses his incredibly smart brain and thinks for a second he actually makes really smart decisions; instead of messing up things he does actually end up fixing it. He's smart and when he uses his head he does good stuff and when he doesn't use his brain he f's up. Caitlin as far as I can see (the way she spoke as well) isn't using her head, I mean yes she's smart and doing brainy things but she's not actually thinking of the whole thing just a few specific bits
@@stephenhartley3195 Exactly that's why he destroyed her work not to be mean or bc he's short sighted he did it bc his friend was literally pulling a pet cemetery to bring back a split part of themselves, he was doing the right thing its just he had to do something that mad him feel terrible
Frost was already a creation from an experiment. There was only good that could have come from allowing her to do it. Either creating another Frost, or Caitlyn failing and finding peace.
Barry made the right choice. He knows exactly what is going on in her mind. He can relate to her. And because it's one of his best friends he doesn't want her to regret her decision of making a super villain. Just shows that Barry has learned from his mistakes.
It was an EVIL choice. Who the fuck are you are anyone else to decide what a person can or cannot work on. Frost was literally a creation from an experiment to begin with. This was the single most off character action they wrote for Flash, this was more what the reverse flash would have done.
@@bruhmanofyear2647 It was an evil thing to do as Frost was not a normal person. She was created artificially and the Flash is not fucking God, to direct other peoples lives. This show went 100% you either do it my way or no way bullshit right down to how every single character acts towards choices and their instant turning against each other only to then magically realize they were wrong and its magically OK.
@@imperfectmyst I’m glad that fragment Frost is gone. Cait didn’t have a plot line between seasons 7 and this season, all because of Mirror Master created a fragment of Frost in the real world.
The acting range that was shown on this episode from everyone especially the end scene. This one gave me chills I can’t wait to see where this goes I hope the rest of the season is like this this was just wow of an episode
Cisco is smart, and Cisco loves Caitlyn more than Barry or anyone else in the team, so I would say he would help Caitlyn realizing the fact that it's actually possible to bring Frost back 🤪
@@DrForse I completely agree that it is possible to bring frost back but if they did it definitely wouldn’t be the same frost if anything I’d probably be more like killer frost if like Caitlin says they’re basing it off of all of frosts original DNA and I don’t see how adding frosts hair would suddenly make her not killer frost. Also I hate to be the one to tell you the bad news that Frost isn’t coming back as the actor has said that Frosts death was permanent
@@zuckleyplays4120 the actors don't always know the truth, and also they lie, you know :) Well, anyways, I didn't really expect to have a serious argument on such unserious matter 🤣
Barry did this because he has done everything in his power to bring back the ones he loves. And the multiverse as well as the timeline almost payed the price for it
It's apples and Oranges though. Barry literally altered time which had run on effects a la the butterfly effect. Caitlyn is trying to literally just bring someone back using real world means that don't disrupt literal space time.
@@imperfectmyst but i was disappointed at the ending, i mean i thought she made a trap for Barry or have frost's bf to frozen Barry. So that way, they can their plan happened
Yeah I looked back at the old season and noticed that when Barry runs, his lightning trail looks low quality as back then, but CGI for other things is high quality
Wow this scene was so well acted you really feel the pain in Caitlin eyes and the remorse from Barry destroying it for her own good plus the lightning special effects looks so good
Imagine when she tries to split the frost personality out of her, we get Killer Frost instead of the normal frost, like the remaining piece of frost that’s inside Caitlin is a villainous version of frost, so we can finally have the comic accurate Killer Frost
Barry tries to bring his mum and dad back, creates flashpoint then subsequently creates savatar who nearly kills iris. Caitlyn tries to bring back Ronnie and results in deathstorm… I really don’t know what Caitlyn is thinking here but bringing back the dead in this universe always creates a super villain.
Reviving of Sara Lance created one more superhero which fought immortal, speedster, demons, Fates, androids and even aliens. Also, she was the paragon. Are you sure about that? XD
@@heyyoptapwi8098 she was brought back by the Lazarus pit, which routinely results in those brought back to loose their humanity, with Sara often being unable to control her bloodlust and assassin training resulting in her murdering people as well as attacking friends… so yup, even with Sara it created a monster that she struggled to control.
@@Swampert919 i agree but anyway, with Constantine help she was able to fight the bloodlust and did great amout of good things later. Like, why Frost wouldn't have a second chance? It isn't same as Barry case, Caitlin wouldn't screw up the timeline with her actions.
@@heyyoptapwi8098 frost already got a second chance, she saved the universe with it. My point was more frost died directly because of caitlyn tried to bring back Ronnie creating deathstorm, then tries to use Barry’s parents as an excuse to justify bringing her back despite that resulting in Cisco’s brother, and HR’s death, as well as nearly killing iris. It just seems really uncharacteristically stupid to try and resurrect a loved one that died because of your last attempt at resurrecting a loved one. And Barry was fully right shutting her down like this (she’ll still do it though cause these characters never seem to learn their lesson).
Caitlin has lost it. She’s grieving and can’t get past the denial and Barry can see that. He knows that she’s gonna be pissed at him and it’s probably going to fracture their relationship for a while but it’s what he had to do to make sure Caitlin didn’t do something she would end up regretting
I love this scene and how Barry’s power has expanded. I also love how his eyes are just now orange with the speed force flowing. It looks like when naruto first archived sage mode
@@faiqamel4005 isn’t the glow caused by using the negative speed force (in the cw) because Nora used it and every time she did her eyes turned red [and I don’t think they are similar since 1 is a lightning sparkly glow while the other is just a red glow ]
Poor Caitlin endured the most grief than anyone else in the series. She lost her fiancé, her mentor (Wells), Jay, and Killer Frost… such a well-developed and strong character
Remove Jay and Wells please. They were evil speedsters and they both killed one of Barry's parents. Because her mentor was Thawne. Not too hard to get over the loss of 2 serial killers. Ronnie and Frost yeah. Those are heartbreaking.
2:13-2:23 The music feels super Reverse Flash-esque, like when Barry and Nora confronted him in Season 5. The fact that we couldn't see Barry's face gave me chills too!
@@motlalepulasello8775 Of course! She bought up his loved ones but he's annoyed because she already did this with deathstorm and it lead to Frost dying so she's bound to repeat the same cycle and like Kratos says "the cycle ends here"
I am gonna say it: Caitlin has completely lost it. She is still grieving and not seeing or thinking clearly. Barry had to destroy the lab because he knew she might end up doing something she might regret like with the whole Deathstorm thing
Messing with life and death- always leads to bad things happening. Even if you rule over that power- even if you can bring someone back truly from the dead- deep down you’ll feel like something is off. And that’s because it is. Bringing someone who was dead, back to life, disrupts balance. Barry knows this all to well.
Sara tried to revive Oliver using Constantine but Oliver was a completely different person and then he died again. I mean Caitlin can try to revive Frost but how is she gonna know that Frost will be the same person they know and loved before her death or if she's gonna be back to Killer Frost taking innocent lives?
That Barry failed at something once doesn't mean Caitlin would too. Plus, Barry supposedly created Gideon, an artificial consciousness, which seems to me not so far from Frost. Caitlin was sure that the science would work, and if Barry was aware of any consequences that Caitlin wasn't, he should have explained rather than destroying her work abruptly.
This scene was so well acted I love how you can really feel the sadness in Caitlin and the pain in Barry ad he had to stop his friend from doing something reckless
It’s been a while since The Flash has surprised me this much! I’m glad to see it’s doing better, and the CGI is just amazing! This is one of the best seasons of The Flash in a while!
ngl somehow im getting that vibe from this episode's ending.. like caitlin said what if there is still pieces of frost inside of her, so theres a possibility either they revive frost or something triggers the piece of frost and give caitlin powers
When Caitlin mentioned brining Barry Mom back that was the moment Barry was looking at Caitlin as Eobard Thawne a villain and not a member of team flash also notice at 04:30 half of Caitlin's face has a darker side foreshadowing the possibility of Caitlin becoming evil killer frost
The show needs more well written moments like this, with Barry being the leader he is meant to be, not held back by pointless side characters and storylines.
Horrendous scene and one of the many reasons why the shows ratings kept falling. This was not an action the flash would have taken, this was a reverse flash move. An evil move, by a dictator telling others how they can live as if they control everyone's destiny.
@@thomasjones4570Barry told her there would be consequences and she ended up dead for awhile and didn't even bring frost back, Barry was right after all :/
@@g.t.lm4t339His choice is what killed her, if he had worked together and brought in the whole team, the could have prevented it by fixing the mistake as was SHOWN later and the entire season 9 was Barry learning from his vast mistakes which included this one. Doh!
@@g.t.lm4t339Just as they moved on from Caitlyn and yet...taa daa reborn! Also you trying to still defend this action after Season 9 is a total joke right? RIGHT? Or are you NOW saying the writers are wrong for writing it so Barry himself says he was way wrong and basically made an evil move? WHICH IS IT? They are right about it here, or right about it in 9?
After today, I can officially say this season is good. Even these interlude / filler episodes have impactful moments, budget, and good storytelling behind them. The quality has rarely, if at all, dipped this season. I haven't enjoyed the show THIS much since Season 4!
They literally made this episode a main one with a filler script but some scenes that will impact the show especially this scene. That's really impressive in itself and a huge step up from the unnecessary filler of S6 and S7
This scene was actually really good, despite me not having any context for it (I dropped the show at season 6). That said, this show has disappointed me too many times, and I'm not willing to trust it again.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 I really think he should have just taken all the stuff and locked it away. It was a dick move to just destroy it all in front of her.
@@nathansarfo1768 She probably has access to Star Labs so she could take everything again like she just did. Maybe take everything and destroy it without her watching but hey, maybe it was about sending a message that she wasn't ready to hear.
3:42 might be the most cool shot this show has ever done, being honest. I hope they keep showing Barry manipulating his powers more, like with the Ride the Lightning thing. that's what this show was really missing, and something I really enjoyed seeing with red-head Wally in the comics (and to a lesser extent Bart)
I'm with Barry on this one everybody on the team has lost somebody and they all have to move on and barry just save Caitlin from crossing a line she can't uncross
I agree because barry has lost the most on team flash. Caitlin is almost there with him and he doesn't want to see her become even more broken if this doesn't go her way and that she creates something that could harm people.
@@gglewis8658 well she just became more broken, she'll only understand barry years down the road, she clearly has lost it everyone has lost someone but grief doesn't have a deadline so to basically say just move on end of story is a bit much, as good as Barry was, it doesn't stop Caitlin's grief, thus is how some extreme antiheroes and villains are made, she needs a support group, but to literally do what Barry did makes her an enemy, because in her mind, he's against her
Barry ain’t create shit that’s all on Caitlin she killed frost herself trying to play god now she wants to do the exact thing that got frost killed ain’t villain made by Barry here that’s all caitlin
@@dunelone9840 Barry literally created at least 3 of the initial seasons big bads by either messing around with the timeline or jumping to alternated Earth's all willy nilly almost on a whim and Caitlin's the one member of team flash that got screwed for it, Thawne, Savitar and Zoom so he should not be throwing stones in glass houses
My god, this is so tragic and yet so awesome to look at. Amazing scene to end on. They really upped their game again in season 8 and I am so glad for that. I can only reiterate how I probably haven't been THIS giddy about the show since the season 3 days.
I know Barry just wanted to make sure Caitlin doesn’t end up doing something she’d regret as she just literally went through the same thing with Deathstorm & it cost her sister, but I don’t know… I understand completely why Barry acted the way he did but despite his good intentions that seemed a bit of an extreme move to make on one of your best friends, especially when their not in the best mind-space. Maybe he could had a team intervention first with everyone trying to convince her this isn’t the way to handle her grief and that Frost probably wouldn’t want her to do this. I know that move will both most likely put a big dent in their friendship & come back and bite him in the ass… as I think that just made Caitlin more determined and will send her to a point where she definitely won’t be able to come back from.
Thanks for saying it, I was suffering reading the comments 💔 I think Barry was very rude to Cait, she is his best friend, he could have treated her better than that...
@@yoselynbrenes6367 What did you want Barry to do? You sound like the type of person who won't check and correct their friends. Barry did the only thing he could do at this point. If Caitlyn listened to Barry in the first place Frost would still be alive
Barry should of mind his own business and left Cait alone. He is a hypocrite, he is constantly doing things like that when wants to. He and the team could at least heard her out...Seems like Barry wants to control everybody...
2:21 dam that head raise said everything. Jeez man this episode was so good. Amazing acting specially this part and also Barry being scared of being old and forgetting stuff. I just hope Caitlyn doesn’t become a villain cuz she knows better
Like wanda maximoff says “When you break the rules, you become a hero. I did and i became the enemy, it doesn’t seem fair” Barry have the chance to try save his parents. Why Caitlin can’t do this too?
Because Barry doesn't want Caitlin to go in the direction that Barry was going after Henry's death. Barry doesn't want Caitlin to ignore the signs. Barry traveled through time to save his mom but created a different timeline. And he now knows that no matter what he tries he can never save his parents and fix his mistakes. He just has to live with it and move forward. He doesn't want Caitlin to make the same mistake he made.
@@khashmoney6985 hey guess what, what if when Caitlin turns into killer frost she's gonna use iris if she ever comes back, use iris as an example by trying to kill her just to prove a point on what she was talking when she brought up his parents? Just what if?
@@khashmoney6985 😃😃 back to season 3 with that slow mo run Barry: iris Iris: Barry Savitar: you lose Iris: Barry I love you Barry: hey don't say that, ok. Everything's gonna ok
I think Barry was gonna try to talk down from this path she is on but then catlin pushed the parents button so Barry shows her that he has the freaking power of a speed god and you don’t want to push his buttons cause we have seen what happens when Barry gets pushed to far.
@@xxpheonixxx_ts1609 i can see her just recreating the experiment on herself and she becomes a new version of killer frost that has a singular goal to kill the flash thus cementing her as the villain like in the comics
I know that in the comics killer frost was always a villain and it seems like they are setting that up but I love Caitlyn. I don't want her to die or become a villain, it would break my heart to lose Frost and Caitlyn😭 She's one of my favorite characters❤
She was the reason that I watch the show at all. She dies then the show dies & then this is when I stop watching & Screw Eric Wallace for his obsession with WestAllen.
@@delfredmarshall8416 Been having an argument with a few people on my beliefs tonight but glad to see someone that has logic unlike the other jerks I’ve interacted with tonight. Did read & knew that after my research but it was a different Frost & her real name wasn’t Caitlin Snow. There were 3 Killer Frost versions as far as I know.
So I’m guessing this is why the writers continued to have horrible things happen to Caitlin, and NEVER let her be happy- so that she would finally be so desperate and depressed and ALONE, that she turns FULL baddie aka Killer Frost.
After destroying all her hard work and apartment, he doesn't even try to support her. He just runs off ... Caitlin face says it all at the end. Barry just lost one off his closest friends that stood beside him since they met. I really Really REALLY hope Killer frost comes back and more powerfull. If season 9 is the last season I want only 2 main villians in it. Killer Frost & Reverse Flash.
Barry has a strong point sometimes you have to move on in life when we lose people because at the end of the day we have to be living for them start over a new chapter
Im just going to say it and I don’t care. It’s Caitlin’s fault that Frost is dead. If Caitlin and Frost would’ve listen to Barry about the black flame was not Ronnie, just some mind trick the flame was doing, Frost would still be alive. She needs to start listening to Barry but he experienced pain more than she did. Both of his parents were killed by speedsters right in front of him, and he wasn’t in terms with their deaths till he created flashpoint and was happy that they’re alive in that timeline and till Jay made him realize that what he did, changed his family and friends’ lives as well. So I hope that she listens to Barry and she doesn’t turn into a villain bc i love their friendship.
I really want her to embrace the killer frost this time. A full on villain. Let her be the final villain for the next season. And don’t give her a redemption arc. Make her a tragic villain. The Flash needs to start take more creative risks. Especially with the show coming to an end. I thought for sure at the end her eyes were gonna glow or something to represent the fact that she had already succeeded and just needed to separate her and Frost.
By taking the path of destruction and just leaving her afterwards, he backed her into a corner. Now she will do something even more reckless and more people will get hurt. If he were written better, he would have taken Caitlin to her Mom and gotten the team together for an intervention.
Tbh, it's actually interesting seeing something more unhinged like this happen vs the typical get everyone together to talk it out. This scene as a result will be way more memorable as it is now.
@@malikmartin8755 I've seen people say this could be her Killer Frost origin story without the split personality. I know they've done so many different origins with her as KF already but it's just more engaging seeing a different dynamic in the team and seeing what becomes of it.
These actors are very talented. Just look at her eyes. Her grief has overwhelmed her. There is no talking her out of this. Interventions would have done nothing. The only thing that would have worked would be to detain her. Barry did the right thing. It was a dick move but it was the right thing.
Those won’t work lmfao she literally just did the exact same thing with DEATHSTORM several people tried to warn her but she ain’t even listen and that’s the reason frost is dead right now and the crazy thing is she went back to do the same damn thing and play God. Barry and the rest earned her several times before deathstorm happened she didn’t listen Barry tried to talk to her but it was clear how adamant and half-crazy she sounds and for her to say what if he could bring his parents back? That’s even the most stupid as he made a flashpoint and paid the price grieving doesn’t you give you the right to screw people over after all due to her bringing deathstorm into this world several people died and they didn’t even have corpses
Barry is doing the right thing though caitlin doesn't like it. He understands that when people die they can't be resurrected once they are gone. He doesn't want caitlin to feel what he feels yes he did save his mom but look what happened he lost his parents again plus iris almost paid the price for his decision. He doesn't want caitlin to exerience his pain because he has lost a lot in his life and he knows that if she does this and it doesn't go well and people get hurt she could never forgive herself.
@@Huff-Productions he also explained that Barry has felt that and doesn’t want Caitlin to feel like that yes Barry created flashpoint but he had to pay the price for it and he’s trying to prevent that Samething from happening to Her
I absolutely love this. For 1) Barry did the right thing and Caitlin needs to move on no matter how hard it is. Is she really that blind right now what Barry did 5-6 years ago and how effed up things were cause of Flashpoint? And 2) Barry just able to use lightning like that and the other things he has been able to do with lightning this season is amazing
moving on could take weeks and months grief doesn't have a deadline plus we're all forgetting caitin has officially lost it the more they try and stop her the more villainous she'll become instead caitlin needs to be sat down and deeply talked to maybe even a support group, this is what happens when you don't deal with emotions in a healthy way, and when others foil your plan, the more sad and angry she'll be loosing a love one hurts so to tell her you need yo move on when it's been about how long in the show
Soooo he did the right thing but frying Caitlyn’s apartment instead of making her see the errors of her ways or maybe even leaving her at star labs for a week???? Yeah ok
@@muhamadjallow3490 did he have to go so hard with the lightning? No def not but I also don’t see anything wrong with him destroying the flasks and bottles and whatever else she had
Bro this dude just walked into her home destroyed it then left without saying shit like wtf, barry is the worst team leader ever, this dude has gotten so many people killed
I’m not going to lie this is one of my favourite abilities of Barry/Flash. It’s his most destructive and lethal ability…a lightning explosion or lightning grenade.
Got nothing but chills when she mentioned his parents 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶the look from behind him and the power he displayed here was insaaaaneee,don't care what haters say about the CGI in this season,we get to see flash go God mode in every season🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@@malikmartin8755 that’s not on Barry at all that’s on her stupidity to not being able to grieve normally doing what she just did got frost killed by bringing in deathstorm not to mention how many people deathstorm killed cause of her foolishness they had families too
😂 I sure was like you're sorry, but you're not gona even help me clean this mess up? lol Maybe her picking up things and cleaning up is apart of the process of letting go and processing that
Agreed & that’s going to come & Bite him in the ass in Season 9. Caitlin goes rogue again, becomes Killer Frost & DIES!!!!! What a way to kill the show. The reason I watch the show is because of Danielle.
@@AR-xd3dp WHY? I’d already know what will happen due to the fact that Season 9 could be the last season of the show. I’d don’t trust that jerk Eric Wallace & sure as hell do not trust the CW president due to the articles that I’ve read about the DEATH of the ARROWVERSE. This show is on borrowed time & it looks like you are blind to see that in my eyes.
@@wolfhunterplays3954 your opinion dude. Trust me, this the route that Eric Wallace will do. Eric Wallace is a WestAllen fan & he’ll make sure that this the route he’ll take.
That's why I never use the phrase 'I don't want too" when talking to people about stuff, it's always "I'm not going too" that way they know to fuck off and mind their own business.
@@GeneralKenobi75 that doesn't make sense though. She is Killer Frost. She is the concept of Entropy made manifest. She's a God that Mar Novu would take a knee to.
i am surprised Barry could just phase through her door... i expected some meta dampening device to prevent meta's for entering her home. when Barry destroyed caitlins project all i kept thinking was " Caitlin is going to be angry.
woah, I didn't know Barry could use that power all the time! I thought that was like just for one scene where they show his 'true power' or whatever. reminds me of the Speedforce aura explosion with red-head Wally that one time in the comics (it was an accident there)
What the hell was this scene, Barry has no reason to be this much against Catlin's plan, he saw the last time she got shot with the gun and all it did then was make a new body for her alter ego, there's absolutely no risk here, what does barry thing she's gonna do human testing in random people until it works or something? Not to mention destroying everything is completely a ridiculous overstep in this situation, at most he can be cautious or not want ruin Frost's sacrifice but destroying everything in her apartment because she wants to save her sister? Wtf??? What ground does he even have to preach moving on? This is the guy that's entire superhero identity was based around hunting down the person who killed his mom and saving his dad, two people he never got over and to this day still haunt him, not to mention actively hunted for Zoom for killing his dad rather than take his own advice and move on, also the same guy that created flashpoint to live with his mom again that died 17 years prior, spent the better part of a year trying to change Iris' fate because he didn't want to loose her and nearly 10 years later in the future never got over it, not to mention wrecked havoc on the timeline trying to do so and later on risked making a second flashpoint to see if the future with his kids existed still tho it would have ramifications on their future in the process. All this because Barry never moves past his grief because it's everything regarding his character, his character is shaped by the grief he never deals with seeing even now he still hates thawne with passion. And now he's gonna shut down catlin trying to save her sister because she can't process her grief and needs to? Are you serious?? Mind you unlike the last 40 times he's screwed up the timeline trying to avoid his grief catlin isn't doing anything regarding time travel, meaning this is supposed to be how history plays out, there's no risk and no reason to be against it, hell it'd probably do team flash some good to have frost back considering they've been even more incompetent since she died This is exactly why I gave up on CW drama, it's all completely nonsensical and borderline bs, and now it's coming out the ass end of character assassination more and more, just a couple episodes ago we had Barry I Won't Kill Anyone Even Thawne Allen deciding on a dime to just kill Ronnie because Cecil thought he wanted to die simply because she could read that he didn't feel good and Catlin was obviously against it for sensible reasons, not that they tried to contact ronnie again and find out how to help him nope Cecil heard his voice say a few words about freeing him and was convinced he wanted to die alright let's go and then spent trying to convince ronnie's freaking wife to help them kill him, mind you the guy that said this once "I won't kill anyone, not even a gorilla" mind you to save billions of people and wouldn't kill the two people that murdered both of his parents All this will lead to is catlin leaving the show or going dark and then leaving or dying somehow Next episode it's gonna be all Barry's mad she didn't tell him what she was doing, she'll reply "well I didn't think I needed to" or "like you told me how you were gonna do something that killed my sister" they're gonna have drama sessions and it'll end with her leaving star labs one way or another, predictable, character assassination founded and petty drama, one side is made out to be the bad guy and the other is meant to have a halo on their head, probably barry with the halo and catlin getting drug through the mud Also thanks if you actually read the whole thing lol
Are you sped ?? ITS OBVIOUS TRYING TO BRING THE DEAD BACK WOUKD CREATE A VILLIAN SHE LITERALLY JUST TRIED TO PLAY GOD WITH RONNIE AND WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED SHE MADE FREAKING DEATHSTORM WHO MURDERED SEVERAL INNOCENTS IN COLD BLOOD AND LED TO FROSTS DEATH SHE KILLED FROST LITERALLY DUE TO A DECISION SHE WAS ABOUT TO DO AGAIN TRYING TO BRING HER BACK AND BARRY WARNED SEVERAL TIMES TO NOT TRY TO BRING RONNIE BACK BUT SHE AINT LISTEN?? ABSOLUTELY NO RISK HERE??!! LMFAO WHAT CRAP THERE IS OBVIOUS RISK TRYING TO PLAY GOD
ohhhh ok things just got interesting glad cw making bold decisions before they end. i wonder what happens to barry and cait's genuine friendship og team flash should never break up😭
Soon as she said his mom and dad she F'd up as barry legit f'd the timeline to do JUST THAT he lost his mother to thawne then his dad to zoom and caused flashpoint.
Caitlin is going off the deep end here, much later that I would have expected give EVERYTHING that happed to her over the course of the show. Barry did the right thing here. He knows what happens when you try to play God; the pain gets worse and innocent people suffer because of your selfish actions.
@@praneethponnada4976 true but let’s hope that Caitlin will realize that Barry did the right think but let’s be honest maybe Barry would have done the same thing if Iris was the one who died
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I like how you can actually see Barry’s development in this scene. It’s obvious that Barry’s learned from his mistakes of Flashpoint and when he didn’t try hard enough to stop Caitlin from helping Deathstorm out.
I wish he wouldn’t have literally erupted into a lightning storm. That was harsh especially to destroy everything right in front of her. He could have just taken everything and locked it away. She was already in a low state and he just made it worse
@@samstone69 That’s understandable. I was surprised that he straight up destroyed the entire thing since it did feel OOC, but to be fair he did try and talk her out of it first
@@samstone69 I mean because of similar stuff she is doing right now just cost frost her life it’s one thing to try and support or try things like this but Caitlin literally just made deathstorm from an exact same decision and she is doing something similar again in fact basically the same just because she can’t overcome her grief she is trying to play god again. It’s like flash creates one flashpoint that brings about a great villains he tries to change things back to normal despite the fact he can’t reverse some stuff then the very next he goes in for another flashpoint again that’s exactly what Caitlin is doing
@@samstone69 that wouldnt have been very exciting or visually stimulating... Flash superspeed'ing cups & beakers into a closet
@@dunelone9840 you’re absolutely right. Tbh, this whole thing is Caitlyn’s fault (inadvertently). And in her grief (understandably) she’s not really making the best decisions. Could he have stopped her another way? Maybe. However, how many options does anyone have while she’s still working through trauma?
I love how he looks like he genuinely feels bad for what’s happening to Caitlyn through the lighting in his eyes and how he feels like he has to do this for her
Barry make the right choice because is a bad idea to bring frost back like I said Catlin you just need to let her go because Cisco brother died he try to let it go but now he did it from the past and Barry mother and father died but now he let it go you should too Catlin just let it go
nope
@@tharealsos7895 do you think Catlin is the final boss?
Barry is a monster that doesn't listen and makes crazy decisions but if anyone does it they are wrong.
@@otapodoeseb1448 the hell are you trying to say Barry is not a monster Barry trying to save Catlin and others don't you get it
Caitlyn has forgotten that barry literally created 2 alternate timelines because he couldn't get over his dead mom.
And she also forgot she literally created deathstorm💀and people died from that
@@infiniteearthclips2723 Including Frost.
@dried I think she means permanently
Facts
I'm glad someone is watching the flash. I'm not going to miss it when it gets cancelled. The flash was one of my favorite characters however I really hated the CW version of him. I wish l never heard of the CW
I love how you can still see the amount of pain destroying her work caused him it shows you that he cares and that he knows nothing good can come from either action he takes
Just because Barry keeps screwing up fixing things, doesn't mean everyone else is destined to fail
@@Biorythym exactly
@@Biorythym he isn't actually screwing up things that he's trying to fix though, he thinks he can fix or change something but doesn't know what he's doing and ends up messing up things instead. Kinda different 😁
Although we have seen him so so so many times do the opposite, when he uses his incredibly smart brain and thinks for a second he actually makes really smart decisions; instead of messing up things he does actually end up fixing it. He's smart and when he uses his head he does good stuff and when he doesn't use his brain he f's up. Caitlin as far as I can see (the way she spoke as well) isn't using her head, I mean yes she's smart and doing brainy things but she's not actually thinking of the whole thing just a few specific bits
@@stephenhartley3195 Exactly that's why he destroyed her work not to be mean or bc he's short sighted he did it bc his friend was literally pulling a pet cemetery to bring back a split part of themselves, he was doing the right thing its just he had to do something that mad him feel terrible
Frost was already a creation from an experiment. There was only good that could have come from allowing her to do it. Either creating another Frost, or Caitlyn failing and finding peace.
Barry made the right choice. He knows exactly what is going on in her mind. He can relate to her. And because it's one of his best friends he doesn't want her to regret her decision of making a super villain. Just shows that Barry has learned from his mistakes.
Barry don't even listen to Joe , he makes 10s of mistakes and usually makes the wrong decision
@tagru 😂😂😂
@tagru That beaker? That beaker MUST DIE NOW!
It was an EVIL choice. Who the fuck are you are anyone else to decide what a person can or cannot work on. Frost was literally a creation from an experiment to begin with. This was the single most off character action they wrote for Flash, this was more what the reverse flash would have done.
@@bruhmanofyear2647 It was an evil thing to do as Frost was not a normal person. She was created artificially and the Flash is not fucking God, to direct other peoples lives.
This show went 100% you either do it my way or no way bullshit right down to how every single character acts towards choices and their instant turning against each other only to then magically realize they were wrong and its magically OK.
That wasn't a look of defeat for Caitlin, that was determination and possibly anger.
She's gonna become her Own Killer frost I can feel it (no alter ego this time)
Well observed 😜 I saw it too
the true killer frost is coming can't wait and hopefully Cisco (Vibe) will make a cameo appearance to help team flash fight her
Villain Origin Story alert
@@imperfectmyst I’m glad that fragment Frost is gone. Cait didn’t have a plot line between seasons 7 and this season, all because of Mirror Master created a fragment of Frost in the real world.
The acting range that was shown on this episode from everyone especially the end scene. This one gave me chills I can’t wait to see where this goes I hope the rest of the season is like this this was just wow of an episode
I don't watch the flash anymore what's up with caitlin
Indeed it was I don't understand some of the other fans dislike of this season to me this season was top tier
@@unforgiving6363 Frost died
@@patrickdornoff2735 but didn't they do that story multiple times before
@@unforgiving6363 how many times she gon disappear
I wish Cisco was here maybe he could have helped Caitlin move on because Caitlin is not the only one who lost a sibling Cisco lost his brother Dante
Don't take so much load,
This is not reality it's just a tv show
@@brijroshanrao4724 he knows but you gotta realize its relatable to real life
Cisco is smart, and Cisco loves Caitlyn more than Barry or anyone else in the team, so I would say he would help Caitlyn realizing the fact that it's actually possible to bring Frost back 🤪
@@DrForse I completely agree that it is possible to bring frost back but if they did it definitely wouldn’t be the same frost if anything I’d probably be more like killer frost if like Caitlin says they’re basing it off of all of frosts original DNA and I don’t see how adding frosts hair would suddenly make her not killer frost. Also I hate to be the one to tell you the bad news that Frost isn’t coming back as the actor has said that Frosts death was permanent
@@zuckleyplays4120 the actors don't always know the truth, and also they lie, you know :)
Well, anyways, I didn't really expect to have a serious argument on such unserious matter 🤣
When Caitlin mentioned Barry's parents thats when he knew he had to do it. Barry knows the mess he made he went back and saved his mother.
Barry did this because he has done everything in his power to bring back the ones he loves. And the multiverse as well as the timeline almost payed the price for it
It's apples and Oranges though. Barry literally altered time which had run on effects a la the butterfly effect. Caitlyn is trying to literally just bring someone back using real world means that don't disrupt literal space time.
@@sketch3744 yeah true but that doesn't exactly mean frost will come back exactly as she was what if something goes wrong that's still a possibility.
@@slushypk8273 still nothing to do with timeline
@@slushypk8273
Or what if somebody ELSE gets revived along with Frost. Frost’s DNA wasn’t the only one in that body I’m doubting.
There is another…
And he forget how much he did listen to a dont do it, with leaving her there , alone, without a friend, he just guarantees she will bring frost back.
Caitlin will definitely become full-on Killer Frost without a split personality
That i'm ok with!
@@RoboZombie44 Honestly Same!!!
Same here!
@@imperfectmyst but i was disappointed at the ending, i mean i thought she made a trap for Barry or have frost's bf to frozen Barry. So that way, they can their plan happened
@@RoboZombie44 Right?!!?! But after this Yeahhhhhhhhhh I wont be suprised If Caitlin turns Evil without the alter ego stuff
The shot of Barry with lightning in his eyes was beautiful
Yes, kudos to Grant for delivering a tragic nostalgia from a character who had actually been there more than once and had to let go
yea you can definitely see the remorse for what hes doing in his eyes as theyre flashing with the lightning, he hates having to do what he did
@@1jidion Btw what a beautiful scene...
@@MatheusPereira-kl5tc indeed, they ramped up the effects for this one
Barry has relly leveled up
People have been saying the cgi has gotten worst during the season but the cgi in this scene was amazing
Yeah cause this season is well written so they’re getting more money
@@unkeeded1253 yea I always loved the flash no matter what and it has had some down sides but they are getting back up and getting better
Right?
Yeah I looked back at the old season and noticed that when Barry runs, his lightning trail looks low quality as back then, but CGI for other things is high quality
Yeah, some nutjobs always go for the CGI because it looks cool and then they forget what the characters here mean for the show.
Wow this scene was so well acted you really feel the pain in Caitlin eyes and the remorse from Barry destroying it for her own good plus the lightning special effects looks so good
Imagine when she tries to split the frost personality out of her, we get Killer Frost instead of the normal frost, like the remaining piece of frost that’s inside Caitlin is a villainous version of frost, so we can finally have the comic accurate Killer Frost
You say that but in comics killer frost has been a hero/anti-hero since 2012
There was a real killer frost back in the season with zoom but she changed i forgot why
@@cadenngoun2317 in season 2 the killer frost in earth 2 got killed by zoom
Caitlin is going to be a more dangerous villain than even Eobard.
@@davidbritton5282 thawne* not eobard but yeah i get what u mean
Barry tries to bring his mum and dad back, creates flashpoint then subsequently creates savatar who nearly kills iris. Caitlyn tries to bring back Ronnie and results in deathstorm… I really don’t know what Caitlyn is thinking here but bringing back the dead in this universe always creates a super villain.
Reviving of Sara Lance created one more superhero which fought immortal, speedster, demons, Fates, androids and even aliens. Also, she was the paragon. Are you sure about that? XD
@@heyyoptapwi8098 she was brought back by the Lazarus pit, which routinely results in those brought back to loose their humanity, with Sara often being unable to control her bloodlust and assassin training resulting in her murdering people as well as attacking friends… so yup, even with Sara it created a monster that she struggled to control.
@@Swampert919 i agree but anyway, with Constantine help she was able to fight the bloodlust and did great amout of good things later. Like, why Frost wouldn't have a second chance? It isn't same as Barry case, Caitlin wouldn't screw up the timeline with her actions.
@@heyyoptapwi8098 frost already got a second chance, she saved the universe with it.
My point was more frost died directly because of caitlyn tried to bring back Ronnie creating deathstorm, then tries to use Barry’s parents as an excuse to justify bringing her back despite that resulting in Cisco’s brother, and HR’s death, as well as nearly killing iris. It just seems really uncharacteristically stupid to try and resurrect a loved one that died because of your last attempt at resurrecting a loved one. And Barry was fully right shutting her down like this (she’ll still do it though cause these characters never seem to learn their lesson).
Okay but the worst that would've happened is Killer Frost would return would need counseling. lol
Caitlin has lost it. She’s grieving and can’t get past the denial and Barry can see that. He knows that she’s gonna be pissed at him and it’s probably going to fracture their relationship for a while but it’s what he had to do to make sure Caitlin didn’t do something she would end up regretting
Exactly, he knows what happens when you play god
@@q.st1m yeah plus he knows what happen when you betray your friends like that. Now Caitlin would definitely become a killer.
If you've seen Dr. Stage, she gives me Wanda vibes
@@q.st1m Yah. He’s got a lot of experience with that xD
@@gamejester. yeah same
I love this scene and how Barry’s power has expanded. I also love how his eyes are just now orange with the speed force flowing. It looks like when naruto first archived sage mode
Yessss
More like he did what reverse flash did with his eyes
@@faiqamel4005 isn’t the glow caused by using the negative speed force (in the cw) because Nora used it and every time she did her eyes turned red [and I don’t think they are similar since 1 is a lightning sparkly glow while the other is just a red glow ]
@@TeoUnreleased man they need to give barry that ability just with orange or barry just wuits using the speedforce and starts using ngf
I hope it's baryon mode
Poor Caitlin endured the most grief than anyone else in the series. She lost her fiancé, her mentor (Wells), Jay, and Killer Frost… such a well-developed and strong character
Well, the doppelgangers of Wells may be gone (turned into energy), but in a way they are still 'alive' through Timeless Wells. He has their memories.
I mean how can you say that when their is Barry on the team
Julian, Cisco, Black Canary, her father, she lost more than anyone.
Remove Jay and Wells please. They were evil speedsters and they both killed one of Barry's parents. Because her mentor was Thawne. Not too hard to get over the loss of 2 serial killers. Ronnie and Frost yeah. Those are heartbreaking.
Nah, that’s definitely Barry
I get the feeling that caitlyn is going to make Barry pay for the choice he just made , her face at the end held pure rage
2:13-2:23 The music feels super Reverse Flash-esque, like when Barry and Nora confronted him in Season 5. The fact that we couldn't see Barry's face gave me chills too!
That was the part that made me wonder if he went dark-ish
@@motlalepulasello8775 Of course! She bought up his loved ones but he's annoyed because she already did this with deathstorm and it lead to Frost dying so she's bound to repeat the same cycle and like Kratos says "the cycle ends here"
I am gonna say it: Caitlin has completely lost it. She is still grieving and not seeing or thinking clearly. Barry had to destroy the lab because he knew she might end up doing something she might regret like with the whole Deathstorm thing
Yeah but he didnt have to do it like that in front of her.
@@charizarddd420 facts
@@charizarddd420 I agree. He could have tried a little more to talk her down first
U do know that frost is not coming back its confirmed
@@faisalk379 we know 🤦🏾
Messing with life and death- always leads to bad things happening. Even if you rule over that power- even if you can bring someone back truly from the dead- deep down you’ll feel like something is off. And that’s because it is. Bringing someone who was dead, back to life, disrupts balance. Barry knows this all to well.
Sara tried to revive Oliver using Constantine but Oliver was a completely different person and then he died again. I mean Caitlin can try to revive Frost but how is she gonna know that Frost will be the same person they know and loved before her death or if she's gonna be back to Killer Frost taking innocent lives?
Totally agree. Love your pfp by the way!
And we're not just gonna revive someone just to see them die again
Exactly
That Barry failed at something once doesn't mean Caitlin would too. Plus, Barry supposedly created Gideon, an artificial consciousness, which seems to me not so far from Frost. Caitlin was sure that the science would work, and if Barry was aware of any consequences that Caitlin wasn't, he should have explained rather than destroying her work abruptly.
This scene was so well acted I love how you can really feel the sadness in Caitlin and the pain in Barry ad he had to stop his friend from doing something reckless
It’s been a while since The Flash has surprised me this much! I’m glad to see it’s doing better, and the CGI is just amazing! This is one of the best seasons of The Flash in a while!
Imagine Caitlin Becoming Killer Frost Without the Split Personality..........❄
Im hoping they dont have it so the other frost is back later
ngl somehow im getting that vibe from this episode's ending.. like caitlin said what if there is still pieces of frost inside of her, so theres a possibility either they revive frost or something triggers the piece of frost and give caitlin powers
That would be so cool
@@tweeks9896 kinda want Caitlin to be the dominant personality for this
@@arifkarim4184 that would be sick!!!
I like how caitlyn is getting more into the spotlight, it’s pretty interesting
What do you mean? She’s always been in the spotlight.
shes had the same story every season since season 3
@@outlandish_LE They're giving her a spotlight now when she is pregnant and can't have as many action scenes?
boy do i have news for you
@@keukimm ?
holy crap the CGI is so good here, i’m sorry idgaf what the haters say this season is amazing
@@GnatGames wtf
@@GnatGames nothing Beats 1 and 2 but yeah your right it’s pretty good
@@GnatGames cmon man…
I agree
@@GnatGames 🧢
When Caitlin mentioned brining Barry Mom back that was the moment Barry was looking at Caitlin as Eobard Thawne a villain and not a member of team flash also notice at 04:30 half of Caitlin's face has a darker side foreshadowing the possibility of Caitlin becoming evil killer frost
The show needs more well written moments like this, with Barry being the leader he is meant to be, not held back by pointless side characters and storylines.
Horrendous scene and one of the many reasons why the shows ratings kept falling. This was not an action the flash would have taken, this was a reverse flash move. An evil move, by a dictator telling others how they can live as if they control everyone's destiny.
@@thomasjones4570Barry told her there would be consequences and she ended up dead for awhile and didn't even bring frost back, Barry was right after all :/
@@g.t.lm4t339His choice is what killed her, if he had worked together and brought in the whole team, the could have prevented it by fixing the mistake as was SHOWN later and the entire season 9 was Barry learning from his vast mistakes which included this one.
Doh!
@@thomasjones4570 trying to revive frost wasn’t gonna work and so to respect her death is by moving on
@@g.t.lm4t339Just as they moved on from Caitlyn and yet...taa daa reborn!
Also you trying to still defend this action after Season 9 is a total joke right? RIGHT? Or are you NOW saying the writers are wrong for writing it so Barry himself says he was way wrong and basically made an evil move? WHICH IS IT? They are right about it here, or right about it in 9?
prolly one of the coolest scenes of barry using his powers in the show
No!he has one when he’s riding the lighting and one when he flys
@@chestertaylor4287notice the words "one of"
How can you hate the Flash
Best scene in a long time
Bc that was one of the best scenes in a long time
@@The_Wester exactly lol
Re-read your comment, but slowly.
@@hiroshiramasendjews9539 exactly 💯 👏 👌 this show has been bad after season 2 ended.
After today, I can officially say this season is good. Even these interlude / filler episodes have impactful moments, budget, and good storytelling behind them. The quality has rarely, if at all, dipped this season. I haven't enjoyed the show THIS much since Season 4!
They literally made this episode a main one with a filler script but some scenes that will impact the show especially this scene. That's really impressive in itself and a huge step up from the unnecessary filler of S6 and S7
Facts
This scene was actually really good, despite me not having any context for it (I dropped the show at season 6). That said, this show has disappointed me too many times, and I'm not willing to trust it again.
@@Marcelelias11 context: frost died and now caitlyn wants to bring her back from the dead.
@@Joshda039 I mean, I kinda deduced that from this clip, I just don't know how and when that happened.
This Scene is so well written, I love it!!
We really just gonna ignore the fact that Barry could’ve cleaned everything in a few seconds but just left?
Or even try to hug his friend who probably needed that comfort as he destroyed her stuff lol
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 I don’t think Caitlin would accept a hug from him right now.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 I really think he should have just taken all the stuff and locked it away. It was a dick move to just destroy it all in front of her.
@@nathansarfo1768 She probably has access to Star Labs so she could take everything again like she just did. Maybe take everything and destroy it without her watching but hey, maybe it was about sending a message that she wasn't ready to hear.
that was a little bit cruel
3:42 might be the most cool shot this show has ever done, being honest. I hope they keep showing Barry manipulating his powers more, like with the Ride the Lightning thing. that's what this show was really missing, and something I really enjoyed seeing with red-head Wally in the comics (and to a lesser extent Bart)
Just a thought but maybe after this maybe Caitlin's the one that sets reverse flash free to spite Barry
@Tyler Ripley but Lian yu far away
@@paulsmith9192true but it's still a possibility can't rule it out
I hope she does barry is the worst team leader ever
Which would be a "how the turntables" moment as she wanted to kill Thawne on the last Armageddon episode.
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 yep
Wow Caitlin has totally lost it like i bet she is gonna go back to being full on Killer Frost and this time no spilt personality
I would Really Like that!!
So she’ll get her powers back?
@@Dave102693 hopefully
the way Barry raised his head at 2:20
Bro was like "she didn't just say that"
this season has been 10/10 so far. props to whoever is writing this season.
I'm with Barry on this one everybody on the team has lost somebody and they all have to move on and barry just save Caitlin from crossing a line she can't uncross
I agree because barry has lost the most on team flash. Caitlin is almost there with him and he doesn't want to see her become even more broken if this doesn't go her way and that she creates something that could harm people.
@@gglewis8658 well she just became more broken, she'll only understand barry years down the road, she clearly has lost it everyone has lost someone but grief doesn't have a deadline so to basically say just move on end of story is a bit much, as good as Barry was, it doesn't stop Caitlin's grief, thus is how some extreme antiheroes and villains are made, she needs a support group, but to literally do what Barry did makes her an enemy, because in her mind, he's against her
I just hope Caitlin will finally realize what Barry did was the right thing to do
Somehow I don’t think she will something tells me that Caitlin will only feel betrayed and go even deeper into crossing the line
@@kkeller968 I Agree lol she didn't have face of someone who going too stop.
She’s broken, and that loss of frost was the last straw. Idk if they will have her evil or just write her out the show
She might get written outta the show because she announced that she was pregnant or at the very least she won’t have much screen time
3:41 One of the coolest The Flash scenes
Edit: Thanks for 121 likes!
First time ever since his eyes went that yellow/orange if I’m not mistaken.
Legit flex right there
This felt like the first time we saw Chester with his eyes black and glowing right?
@@wraych7414 Ye
This scenes is arguably one of if not the best episodes
The scenes between Caitlin and Barry are always extremely good
Imagine the show writers actually used their talents??
Barry created another villain? I can see it in Caitlin eyes she feel betrayed and wants revenge.
Barry ain’t create shit that’s all on Caitlin she killed frost herself trying to play god now she wants to do the exact thing that got frost killed ain’t villain made by Barry here that’s all caitlin
@@dunelone9840 Barry literally created at least 3 of the initial seasons big bads by either messing around with the timeline or jumping to alternated Earth's all willy nilly almost on a whim and Caitlin's the one member of team flash that got screwed for it, Thawne, Savitar and Zoom so he should not be throwing stones in glass houses
@@marcofava yeah which is why he's trying to stop her. He knows the cost of trying to bring someone back it never ends well
@@marcofava he ain’t create no one but Savitar what u smoking 😭 and it was accident for his mom and dad
she acts as if Barry has run out the power to time travel and save them
My god, this is so tragic and yet so awesome to look at. Amazing scene to end on.
They really upped their game again in season 8 and I am so glad for that.
I can only reiterate how I probably haven't been THIS giddy about the show since the season 3 days.
I think Barry might have just turned Caitlin into a supervillain.
2:22 - they say actions speak louder than words, and that head tilt said plenty even before Barry used his lightning.
Fr bruh I thought Barry was about to pop off for min, I was scared for Caitlin right there😂
4:05 Caitlin has that "do you have any idea, what you just did?" look?
I know Barry just wanted to make sure Caitlin doesn’t end up doing something she’d regret as she just literally went through the same thing with Deathstorm & it cost her sister, but I don’t know… I understand completely why Barry acted the way he did but despite his good intentions that seemed a bit of an extreme move to make on one of your best friends, especially when their not in the best mind-space. Maybe he could had a team intervention first with everyone trying to convince her this isn’t the way to handle her grief and that Frost probably wouldn’t want her to do this. I know that move will both most likely put a big dent in their friendship & come back and bite him in the ass… as I think that just made Caitlin more determined and will send her to a point where she definitely won’t be able to come back from.
Me and u are the only ones seeing things clearly in the entire comment section
Thanks for saying it, I was suffering reading the comments 💔 I think Barry was very rude to Cait, she is his best friend, he could have treated her better than that...
@@yoselynbrenes6367 What did you want Barry to do? You sound like the type of person who won't check and correct their friends. Barry did the only thing he could do at this point. If Caitlyn listened to Barry in the first place Frost would still be alive
So what did you want Barry to do? You can't say what he did was extreme when you don't have a another option.
Barry should of mind his own business and left Cait alone. He is a hypocrite, he is constantly doing things like that when wants to. He and the team could at least heard her out...Seems like Barry wants to control everybody...
2:21 dam that head raise said everything. Jeez man this episode was so good. Amazing acting specially this part and also Barry being scared of being old and forgetting stuff. I just hope Caitlyn doesn’t become a villain cuz she knows better
Like wanda maximoff says “When you break the rules, you become a hero. I did and i became the enemy, it doesn’t seem fair” Barry have the chance to try save his parents. Why Caitlin can’t do this too?
Because Barry doesn't want Caitlin to go in the direction that Barry was going after Henry's death. Barry doesn't want Caitlin to ignore the signs. Barry traveled through time to save his mom but created a different timeline. And he now knows that no matter what he tries he can never save his parents and fix his mistakes. He just has to live with it and move forward. He doesn't want Caitlin to make the same mistake he made.
@@khashmoney6985 hey guess what, what if when Caitlin turns into killer frost she's gonna use iris if she ever comes back, use iris as an example by trying to kill her just to prove a point on what she was talking when she brought up his parents? Just what if?
@@malikmartin8755 Savitar vibes.
@@khashmoney6985 😃😃 back to season 3 with that slow mo run
Barry: iris
Iris: Barry
Savitar: you lose
Iris: Barry I love you
Barry: hey don't say that, ok. Everything's gonna ok
@@khashmoney6985 but this still being a caitlin's choice, barry dosen't give her a chance to try
Something tells me that she won't give up on bringing her back.
me too
Yeah. She's turning evil and will destroy Barry.
Grant Gustin has gotten really really good with time. The emotions he showed through his eyes were phenomenal!
He’s been like that since season 1 honestly
I think Barry was gonna try to talk down from this path she is on but then catlin pushed the parents button so Barry shows her that he has the freaking power of a speed god and you don’t want to push his buttons cause we have seen what happens when Barry gets pushed to far.
How does someone and 20 other people misinterpret a scene this badly?
@@shadowx8145 i know right 😂? I mean it’s obvious he’s trying to help by preventing her from going down that path.
@@xxpheonixxx_ts1609 i can see her just recreating the experiment on herself and she becomes a new version of killer frost that has a singular goal to kill the flash thus cementing her as the villain like in the comics
@@shadowx8145 : explain
@@AndrewJamison79 maybe or else she may take help from thawne by giving him speed
I know that in the comics killer frost was always a villain and it seems like they are setting that up but I love Caitlyn. I don't want her to die or become a villain, it would break my heart to lose Frost and Caitlyn😭 She's one of my favorite characters❤
Mine too
She was the reason that I watch the show at all. She dies then the show dies & then this is when I stop watching & Screw Eric Wallace for his obsession with WestAllen.
Actually Killer Frost reformed and joined a Justice League team with Vixen and The Ray. Her alignment is listed as good.
@@delfredmarshall8416 Been having an argument with a few people on my beliefs tonight but glad to see someone that has logic unlike the other jerks I’ve interacted with tonight. Did read & knew that after my research but it was a different Frost & her real name wasn’t Caitlin Snow. There were 3 Killer Frost versions as far as I know.
@@xwf1000v3 crystal and caitlin done some good
Heartbreaking but the ending was dope af
So I’m guessing this is why the writers continued to have horrible things happen to Caitlin, and NEVER let her be happy- so that she would finally be so desperate and depressed and ALONE, that she turns FULL baddie aka Killer Frost.
After destroying all her hard work and apartment, he doesn't even try to support her. He just runs off ... Caitlin face says it all at the end. Barry just lost one off his closest friends that stood beside him since they met. I really Really REALLY hope Killer frost comes back and more powerfull. If season 9 is the last season I want only 2 main villians in it. Killer Frost & Reverse Flash.
Barry: You know you can ask me for help with anything, right?
Also Barry 2 seconds later: I'm gonna sucker punch every last bottle in this room.
Barry has a strong point sometimes you have to move on in life when we lose people because at the end of the day we have to be living for them start over a new chapter
Im just going to say it and I don’t care. It’s Caitlin’s fault that Frost is dead. If Caitlin and Frost would’ve listen to Barry about the black flame was not Ronnie, just some mind trick the flame was doing, Frost would still be alive.
She needs to start listening to Barry but he experienced pain more than she did. Both of his parents were killed by speedsters right in front of him, and he wasn’t in terms with their deaths till he created flashpoint and was happy that they’re alive in that timeline and till Jay made him realize that what he did, changed his family and friends’ lives as well.
So I hope that she listens to Barry and she doesn’t turn into a villain bc i love their friendship.
Me too
You are right this is HER fault. Period
Dude, Ronnie was her husband didn't forget that
@@irinashidou9725 yea i didn’t forget that. I was shocked that he was killed in season 2. At least she came in terms with his death and moving on.
The look on her face during that explosion tells you you effed up
I really want her to embrace the killer frost this time. A full on villain. Let her be the final villain for the next season. And don’t give her a redemption arc. Make her a tragic villain. The Flash needs to start take more creative risks. Especially with the show coming to an end. I thought for sure at the end her eyes were gonna glow or something to represent the fact that she had already succeeded and just needed to separate her and Frost.
This should happen! Point black period.
Frost should not be the final villain 😭
@@aannggee11 fr how lame
Absolutely
By taking the path of destruction and just leaving her afterwards, he backed her into a corner. Now she will do something even more reckless and more people will get hurt. If he were written better, he would have taken Caitlin to her Mom and gotten the team together for an intervention.
Tbh, it's actually interesting seeing something more unhinged like this happen vs the typical get everyone together to talk it out. This scene as a result will be way more memorable as it is now.
@@AnbuPrincess what if she still continues with the whole bring frost back after the team meeting ?
@@malikmartin8755 I've seen people say this could be her Killer Frost origin story without the split personality. I know they've done so many different origins with her as KF already but it's just more engaging seeing a different dynamic in the team and seeing what becomes of it.
These actors are very talented. Just look at her eyes. Her grief has overwhelmed her. There is no talking her out of this. Interventions would have done nothing. The only thing that would have worked would be to detain her. Barry did the right thing. It was a dick move but it was the right thing.
Those won’t work lmfao she literally just did the exact same thing with DEATHSTORM several people tried to warn her but she ain’t even listen and that’s the reason frost is dead right now and the crazy thing is she went back to do the same damn thing and play God. Barry and the rest earned her several times before deathstorm happened she didn’t listen Barry tried to talk to her but it was clear how adamant and half-crazy she sounds and for her to say what if he could bring his parents back? That’s even the most stupid as he made a flashpoint and paid the price grieving doesn’t you give you the right to screw people over after all due to her bringing deathstorm into this world several people died and they didn’t even have corpses
Barry is doing the right thing though caitlin doesn't like it. He understands that when people die they can't be resurrected once they are gone. He doesn't want caitlin to feel what he feels yes he did save his mom but look what happened he lost his parents again plus iris almost paid the price for his decision. He doesn't want caitlin to exerience his pain because he has lost a lot in his life and he knows that if she does this and it doesn't go well and people get hurt she could never forgive herself.
Yeah yeah can't be resurrected right yeah *coughs in flashpoint because mommy and daddy are dead and I'm sad*
actually since it wasn’t too long ago since frost died
it wouldn’t ruin time if he went back in time and saved frost
@@Huff-Productions he also explained that Barry has felt that and doesn’t want Caitlin to feel like that yes Barry created flashpoint but he had to pay the price for it and he’s trying to prevent that Samething from happening to Her
Didn't Barry bring Joe back in the beginning of the season.
o it okay to protect his wife and future children etc from pre ordain death but not for his friends family or lovers lol
I absolutely love this. For 1) Barry did the right thing and Caitlin needs to move on no matter how hard it is. Is she really that blind right now what Barry did 5-6 years ago and how effed up things were cause of Flashpoint? And 2) Barry just able to use lightning like that and the other things he has been able to do with lightning this season is amazing
moving on could take weeks and months grief doesn't have a deadline plus we're all forgetting caitin has officially lost it the more they try and stop her the more villainous she'll become instead caitlin needs to be sat down and deeply talked to maybe even a support group, this is what happens when you don't deal with emotions in a healthy way, and when others foil your plan, the more sad and angry she'll be loosing a love one hurts so to tell her you need yo move on when it's been about how long in the show
This season has really helped Barry with his powers
Soooo he did the right thing but frying Caitlyn’s apartment instead of making her see the errors of her ways or maybe even leaving her at star labs for a week???? Yeah ok
@@muhamadjallow3490 did he have to go so hard with the lightning? No def not but I also don’t see anything wrong with him destroying the flasks and bottles and whatever else she had
Bro this dude just walked into her home destroyed it then left without saying shit like wtf, barry is the worst team leader ever, this dude has gotten so many people killed
That's literally the most badass thing that's happened this season.
And finally, Caitlin becomes the villain she was seeded to be ever since we first heard her name
I’m not going to lie this is one of my favourite abilities of Barry/Flash. It’s his most destructive and lethal ability…a lightning explosion or lightning grenade.
So far I’m looking forward to rewatching this season. If the season finale is also good this would be a hell of a comeback for the show.
Everyone loses someone they care about, Snow The real test of character is what you do once they're gone.
Harrison Wells
One of the best scenes of this season
Aw, i Thought Caitlin had a trap for him, so that way she can make her mistake happen.
That scene seemed like a villain origin story
She could do what Cisco did and make her own tech-powered ice powers and still be like Frost but with an evil twist
Got nothing but chills when she mentioned his parents 🥶🥶🥶🥶🥶the look from behind him and the power he displayed here was insaaaaneee,don't care what haters say about the CGI in this season,we get to see flash go God mode in every season🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
You break the rules and become the hero , I did and become the villain, that doesn’t seen fair
Imagine my friend trashes my entire apartment, broken glass everywhere, then dips. Idc how wrong I was, we’re still fighting
FR now she is gonna be killer frost
@@kawaki_namikaze778 if she becomes killer frost that won't just be on Caitlin, it'll be on Barry as well 😃😃
@@malikmartin8755 that’s not on Barry at all that’s on her stupidity to not being able to grieve normally doing what she just did got frost killed by bringing in deathstorm not to mention how many people deathstorm killed cause of her foolishness they had families too
@@dunelone9840 true true
😂 I sure was like you're sorry, but you're not gona even help me clean this mess up? lol Maybe her picking up things and cleaning up is apart of the process of letting go and processing that
He could’ve just superspeed all of the equipment out of the apartment
true they just had to be extra 😂
But then Caitlin would have been able to just get it all back.
@@janderson947 for the scenery lol😂
He is the worst team leader ever
Right,what a waste of equipment
As good as Barry's intentions are,he just created a rift between him and Caitlin because of this
Agreed & that’s going to come & Bite him in the ass in Season 9. Caitlin goes rogue again, becomes Killer Frost & DIES!!!!! What a way to kill the show. The reason I watch the show is because of Danielle.
@@xwf1000v3 Lets wait for the season finale first to see where this all goes with Caitlin before we make assumptions about next season
@@AR-xd3dp WHY? I’d already know what will happen due to the fact that Season 9 could be the last season of the show. I’d don’t trust that jerk Eric Wallace & sure as hell do not trust the CW president due to the articles that I’ve read about the DEATH of the ARROWVERSE. This show is on borrowed time & it looks like you are blind to see that in my eyes.
@@xwf1000v3 okay, you’re just complaining!!
@@wolfhunterplays3954 your opinion dude. Trust me, this the route that Eric Wallace will do. Eric Wallace is a WestAllen fan & he’ll make sure that this the route he’ll take.
I can tell she isnt gonna give up with just this one setback
“But I don’t want too” made me cry 😭
She sounded so sad like a child
I feel so bad for Caity 😭
(amazing actress she is holy crap)
I don't. She's playing with forces she shouldn't.
@@GeneralKenobi75 I understood that reference
@@GeneralKenobi75 barry will get over it.
That's why I never use the phrase 'I don't want too" when talking to people about stuff, it's always "I'm not going too" that way they know to fuck off and mind their own business.
@@GeneralKenobi75 that doesn't make sense though. She is Killer Frost. She is the concept of Entropy made manifest.
She's a God that Mar Novu would take a knee to.
i am surprised Barry could just phase through her door... i expected some meta dampening device to prevent meta's for entering her home.
when Barry destroyed caitlins project all i kept thinking was " Caitlin is going to be angry.
That’s going come back to haunt him isn’t it
Probably not
@@infiniteearthclips2723 why do you say no?
IT BETTER NOT, HE HAS ENOUGH TO DEAL WITH
@@arixiaaa yeah, iris
Depends what Caitlin's gonna do
woah, I didn't know Barry could use that power all the time! I thought that was like just for one scene where they show his 'true power' or whatever. reminds me of the Speedforce aura explosion with red-head Wally that one time in the comics (it was an accident there)
And this is how villians are made
I love how there's a wobbly effects on lightning I think that's a nice touch.
I would be mad with Barry now cos he just simply left her with that mess to clean up
What the hell was this scene, Barry has no reason to be this much against Catlin's plan, he saw the last time she got shot with the gun and all it did then was make a new body for her alter ego, there's absolutely no risk here, what does barry thing she's gonna do human testing in random people until it works or something? Not to mention destroying everything is completely a ridiculous overstep in this situation, at most he can be cautious or not want ruin Frost's sacrifice but destroying everything in her apartment because she wants to save her sister? Wtf??? What ground does he even have to preach moving on? This is the guy that's entire superhero identity was based around hunting down the person who killed his mom and saving his dad, two people he never got over and to this day still haunt him, not to mention actively hunted for Zoom for killing his dad rather than take his own advice and move on, also the same guy that created flashpoint to live with his mom again that died 17 years prior, spent the better part of a year trying to change Iris' fate because he didn't want to loose her and nearly 10 years later in the future never got over it, not to mention wrecked havoc on the timeline trying to do so and later on risked making a second flashpoint to see if the future with his kids existed still tho it would have ramifications on their future in the process. All this because Barry never moves past his grief because it's everything regarding his character, his character is shaped by the grief he never deals with seeing even now he still hates thawne with passion. And now he's gonna shut down catlin trying to save her sister because she can't process her grief and needs to? Are you serious?? Mind you unlike the last 40 times he's screwed up the timeline trying to avoid his grief catlin isn't doing anything regarding time travel, meaning this is supposed to be how history plays out, there's no risk and no reason to be against it, hell it'd probably do team flash some good to have frost back considering they've been even more incompetent since she died
This is exactly why I gave up on CW drama, it's all completely nonsensical and borderline bs, and now it's coming out the ass end of character assassination more and more, just a couple episodes ago we had Barry I Won't Kill Anyone Even Thawne Allen deciding on a dime to just kill Ronnie because Cecil thought he wanted to die simply because she could read that he didn't feel good and Catlin was obviously against it for sensible reasons, not that they tried to contact ronnie again and find out how to help him nope Cecil heard his voice say a few words about freeing him and was convinced he wanted to die alright let's go and then spent trying to convince ronnie's freaking wife to help them kill him, mind you the guy that said this once "I won't kill anyone, not even a gorilla" mind you to save billions of people and wouldn't kill the two people that murdered both of his parents
All this will lead to is catlin leaving the show or going dark and then leaving or dying somehow
Next episode it's gonna be all Barry's mad she didn't tell him what she was doing, she'll reply "well I didn't think I needed to" or "like you told me how you were gonna do something that killed my sister" they're gonna have drama sessions and it'll end with her leaving star labs one way or another, predictable, character assassination founded and petty drama, one side is made out to be the bad guy and the other is meant to have a halo on their head, probably barry with the halo and catlin getting drug through the mud
Also thanks if you actually read the whole thing lol
Are you sped ?? ITS OBVIOUS TRYING TO BRING THE DEAD BACK WOUKD CREATE A VILLIAN SHE LITERALLY JUST TRIED TO PLAY GOD WITH RONNIE AND WE SAW WHAT HAPPENED SHE MADE FREAKING DEATHSTORM WHO MURDERED SEVERAL INNOCENTS IN COLD BLOOD AND LED TO FROSTS DEATH SHE KILLED FROST LITERALLY DUE TO A DECISION SHE WAS ABOUT TO DO AGAIN TRYING TO BRING HER BACK AND BARRY WARNED SEVERAL TIMES TO NOT TRY TO BRING RONNIE BACK BUT SHE AINT LISTEN?? ABSOLUTELY NO RISK HERE??!! LMFAO WHAT CRAP THERE IS OBVIOUS RISK TRYING TO PLAY GOD
Goddamn, you went off. Lmao. Preach
@@ultimamage3 CW character assassinated drama gets on my nerves
ohhhh ok things just got interesting glad cw making bold decisions before they end. i wonder what happens to barry and cait's genuine friendship og team flash should never break up😭
I agree
Soon as she said his mom and dad she F'd up as barry legit f'd the timeline to do JUST THAT he lost his mother to thawne then his dad to zoom and caused flashpoint.
She’s probably gonna end up getting frosts powers herself because of how angry she is
Yep barry just turn caitlin into a villain but this scene looked amazing though
FR!!!! lol!!!
I would like to see Evil Caitlin.
Caitlin is going off the deep end here, much later that I would have expected give EVERYTHING that happed to her over the course of the show.
Barry did the right thing here. He knows what happens when you try to play God; the pain gets worse and innocent people suffer because of your selfish actions.
Exactly he is only trying to help Caitlin
@@q.st1m he knows that he just ruined the friendship of both of them but he had to. Caitlin has lost it
@@praneethponnada4976 true but let’s hope that Caitlin will realize that Barry did the right think but let’s be honest maybe Barry would have done the same thing if Iris was the one who died
@@q.st1m true he doesn’t want Caitlin to make the same mistake he made I just hope Caitlin will realize that later
@@artuovillegas9609 I really thought Cisco was gonna come back for this tbh
damn thats alot of lighting
3:23, the true God of Speed
I’m surprised the guy wasn’t there to help Kaitlyn out
Caitlin is going to MAKE HIM SUFFER
Caitlin is going to become killer frost and make Barry suffer
Caitlin is going to become killer frost and kill another of people
@@jamesmoody3655 there was a fan fiction story about that it’s called “unforgivable”
@@artuovillegas9609 I would like to read that