I do believe she is in the wrong. It’s very odd that she knew they were in a toxic relationship, still decided to combine finances, pay off HER debt, then break up two weeks after? Agreed, he should not be harassing her but at the same time, she needs to own up to what she did. I have a feeling this might have been her plan all along
She’s totally in the wrong. This would make a better judge Judy episode than a Dave Ramsey clip. She’s not going to pay him back so he should just take it to small claims court.
I think it sounds like she took his half of the $20k emergency fund too though - remember, she said they “both” brought $10k to it. So she took $14,800 of his money and is refusing to give it back. Him telling her that there will be consequences is not “harassing” her. I’m a woman and this girl makes me sick.
Just give the money back, woman! They should not have even had a joint account and she should have just paid off her debts herself. He was stupid for following her. Guys, protect yourselves!
@@Excalibur2 ever notice that the Bible's main focus is directing counsel to men? Yeah its because testosterone clouds their judgement and makes them stupid.
I’d love to hear his side of the story. I guarantee she is not telling everything. You used him for $, stole it, and ran away when you got away with it.
This isnt that complicated. You took his money. You arent giving it back. You are a thief. If the roles were reversed both hosts would have a VERY different answer.
Dave has stated and made it very clear that he has an "old fashioned" mindset. The chivalrous, be less so she can be more mindset. He thinks women are children that don't know any better. Theres no reason to expect him to change his views at any point.
@@Sarizzza that says alot about your self esteem if you think men are "better" than women, especially in this day and age. You don't seem entitled at all lol And what does a man's physical strength have to do with a few thousand dollars? Let me guess, when you attack a man you're just "hitting" him right?
Not a thief legally speaking, since he authorized her to spend the money at the time. However, he would likely have solid grounds for a small claims suit against her.
She didn't say she was afraid of him physically, she was afraid of him telling people she used him to pay her debt. She's afraid of being called a thief in public. She is refusing to give the guy his money back, she is a thief.
She was the toxic one when they moved in together and "combined finances" (she stole his $10K) And he's right that she's a thief. He's just going about getting his money back in the wrong way. She needs a warning label tattooed on her forehead" "I'll rob you then blame you for it."
She's a thief and he has every right to be angry....but as usual Dave and Delony side with the helpless, poor defenseless woman. Because they both think women are weak and why they defend even the worst ones.
Dave told her that he thinks she should pay the guy the money back. Didn't sound like he was siding with her to keep his money if he told her to pay the man back.
It’s extremely odd and raises a red flag that you leave the relationship two weeks after he helps you finish pay all that debt off. TWO WEEKS! Very convenient on her end, I get his frustration.
@@tylerhandsome7344 That doesn’t change the fact that she put him on the baby steps plan, had him start putting his money towards her debt, then break up with him two weeks after it’s fully paid off…
More-so, above and beyond the debt, did she keep the entire half of the money that he put into the account? Or did he get that back? If she kept that money, it would definitely compound the issue.
This is why I don’t give loans. People are quick to take it but make you out to be the bad guy when you ask for your money back. She’s looking for justification for stealing his money
Why is the guy immediately put in bad light? Caller didn’t explain that he for sure threatened to do those things to the caller. Give him back $2400 of his money who knows what the situation was bc of the breakup
@@Thathat-o7w if a business partner embezzled that same amount for me and then was calling and worried today that I might go to his current employer and get him fired would that be wrong
I think threatening to take someone to court is fine but shaming them/ physically threatening them is not okay. It usually causes more problems for everyone. You should always pay 100 percent of owed money back. I’ve had partners not pay money back but what can you do at that point? It taught me not to lend it out in the first place.
She thinks he might do this and he might do that. She might be 50% of the drama. I think she needs to give him his money back and don't engage with him again.
Ramsey, Please speak plainly. Her heart rate has nothing to do with it. She owes him the money. There’s deeper issues here with her. Don’t tell your boss and make this a bigger issue. Give him his money period. If you feel threatened after you give him the money call the POLICE.
@@katiejon17 lol no but there are so many people in the comments section that don't seem to realize that Dave TOLD the woman that he thinks she should pay the man back. They somehow just skip over that section of the video.
Just No to this response from Dave and Dr D. I'm an older female, and this sounds like she definitely scammed him! She Never said he actually threatened her with going to her boss or to her child's school. She said she feared such. She's a con artist who knew exactly what she was doing and what her end goal was. The guy isn't the only one who was intentionally harmed here. More importantly than the money issue- is that she subjected her child to this "live-in toxic situation". Love the Dave Ramsey show, but you guys completely dropped the ball on this one.
Lesson learned. Folks don't share accounts if you're not married! The money is gone. Women still owe me money when I was stupid and I know I will never get it back. He needs to learn the same
She stole that money and is playing the victim and accusing him of abuse. This person is absolutely ridiculous. If someone stole $4800 from me, they would have a problem with me too!
This just gets worse each time I listen. He is calling her a “thief and a scammer”, which she is. The ONLY threat he has made is posting the information on social media, which she deserves by being a thief and a scammer. All other “threats” were made up by HER SHE is “afraid” he will “make me lose my job and go to my daughter’s school to post signs...”. *HE* NEVER SAID HE’D DO THAT, *SHE* IS JUST AFRAID THAT HE MIGHT. Dave and Dr.D.... this woman is what we call “trash”. Be bold and speak the truth on her.
Thank you for stating this because I have listened several times and came up with your observation of this woman and her issues. She it the toxic one here!
Thank for writing down exactly what I was thinking. Dave and John totally were soft on her simply because she's a female. If that was a male, they would've been more harsh. This single mother was a thief and a con artist. She scammed him.
Absolute bs answer. She’s a thief. A woman in today’s culture can inflict any wrong on a man, including steal his money, and be excused by accusing him of being “toxic.” This tolerance for female misconduct is one of the worst aspects among religious believers today and is why men are leaving/have left faith based communities in record numbers
I wish there was one member of the Ramsey team that would look at these situations objectively and not immediately defend the female. I bet I know who’s side they’re on in regards to the high profile going on right now.
I would be mad if I was him as well. He should not really be harassing her or going to the school though. But he should be going after her in small claims court if she does not work out a way with him to pay it back.
Dave and John are biased and side with women even when they are wrong. Stop using kid gloves with women. They are adults, and more than capable of acting like one. Just like men.
To be fair, the going to the school thing isn't even true, that was just her thoughts (something he didn't do). He called her a thief and said he would post about it on socials though, which imo is fair given the circumstances.
You know you owe him the money no excuse! Just pay up, no excuse and no reason to ask. He's not being a bully, you asked him to set-up an account knowing you may break up. Dave knows she owes the money and he says never put money together.
@@jeffwvu4602 Not married and no kid's together, if they had kid's together different ball game. My mother always told, me don't ever take money from a man that is not your husband. I tell my daughter that, I tell my son's don't give a woman your money if she not your wife. That was her debit,
His first mistake was getting involved with a single mother. His second mistake was shacking up with a single mother. His third mistake was getting a shared checking account with a single mother. But that doesn't excuse the fact that she took his money and bailed like some sort of con artist.
Not all single mothers are bad. I live with my partner now but one of the things he liked most about me when we started dating was how hard I work and being independent not “needing” a man. I had my own place, nice car, always offered to pay when we were on dates etc. Some of us are equals and are more than capable of taking care of ourselves and our family all on our own.
@@brooke86 Not all single mothers are bad but MOST are. This caller is a prime example of a bad single mother. She stole her ex's money, she totally conned him.
Seems like she is trying to justify her behavior by calling him toxic. We don't know of what she is saying is true. What we do know she stole the money by using his finances. He took care of you and your child and after you you paid off your debt, you left.
I didn't hear any threats. Him going around telling the truth can't by definition be a threat. If she took the money and won't return it, or can't return it cause she doesn't have it and goes around telling people this weather it be her boss her parents or her priest it might not be nice of him but it's not a threat. If this gets him his money back quicker or cheaper more power to him why should he have hire attorneys take off work to sue her in civil or small claims court. If she doesn't like things like this being said about her maybe she shouldn't have done them to begin with.
She said they both contributed money. She needed to pay her own debt period. You don’t get into an awful relationship and think there will be roses in the end.
Pay your debt & problem solved. I see this on Judge Judy all the time. People afraid of what recourse they may have to face & cry harassment- they want the money you owe them- pay what you owe & move on!
Nahh, shes the bully in this relationship. She stole his money and needs to give it back. "We broke up" means that she left him, or she would have probably said something like "He broke up with me". She took his money and ran, give it back woman! This is why men need to stay single.
You're very perceptive. I was trying to figure out who broke up with whom, but you're right, if he had broken it off she would have said so. Either way I feel she needs to repay him.
The guy is NOT a bozo or bully and the woman IS a thief! Like what are they even saying? If a business stole that much money from me you can bet I’d be at their doorstep. He’s not stalking her house or threatening violence. This is so cringy to listen to. 🤦🏻♂️
Exactly. That's what I picked up too. Notice how she didn't say he actually said or did followed through on those threats, she just said she feared he may. The guys then acted like he made those threats when she never stated if he did or not. The way she wrote the letter makes me believe she was trying to make herself look like the sole victim here to get the exact response the guys gave. The whole thing reeks of her being a manipulator.
The wild thing is in the letter she totally admitted that she basically talked him into paying off her debt for him and then broke up with him and took all his money… and their reaction is still that he’s the bad guy.
That would be interesting because she already clearly showed that she is the “thief and scammer” he claims she is. It could only get better with him giving all the story.
She did steal his money and needs to repay it. He needs to take her to court like a grownup instead of putting signs up around her neighborhood/job/school.
@@Thathat-o7w I keep telling people the same thing too, but they don't want to hear that....they'd rather believe that somehow Dave did not tell her to pay the man back, when he actually DID tell her to pay him back.
I'm a bit confused. They both put money toward a $10K emergency fund? Or did I hear that wrong? So give him back his portion and you get the difference of your portion and $4800. Maybe I misheard though...
That’s what I said. It’s crazy how childish people can be. They are both grown adults acting like little kids, and at least one of them has a little kid…
“Everything a man gives a woman is a gift. Everything a woman gives a man is a loan.” Men need to stop leading with their wallets and paying for women who aren’t their wives and only women that are net assets to your life(spiritually, financially, mentally) should be considered for long term relationships, cohabitation, or marriage. The rest, as Dave put it, need to be “stiff armed.” Toxic relationships cut both ways.
She wants a justifiable reason to keep this man's money. She is not going to give it back. Given her actions and her status as a single mother, It's clear she has a desperation mindset and she was clearly using him for his resources but they were too unstable to stay together.
He got what he paid for, now she’s gone. ladies stop swindling men! I used to be friends with a woman, who did this all the time, she had her front door kicked and had her car keyed several times, and was always receiving nasty messages from men who felt like she was hustling them, because she was. Ladies all the stress and looking behind your back because you know you took somebody for a ride it’s not worth it, give the money back and move on with your life🙏🏾
I knew a girl who deliberately used a man and called herself a Christian too. I totally lost all respect for her. She suckered him into quitting his job in Oklahoma and moving back to Orlando. She told me she was going to use him to finance the move and do the labor and would dump him as soon as they got there.
Dude just learned a big lesson. He should've never put his money to pay her debt. ROOKIE MISTAKE. If she brought debt then that's HER DEBT. Take it in the chin and move on with life. Also, stop where the harassment, it doesn't help you in the long run.
I don’t condone hitting a bully even if if the bully is a female. She never said he made threats. You guys are assuming he made threats according to her emotions. Buy obviously she is emotionally unstable and what she did is morally wrong and could have been premeditated. Now she is playing the victim part to avoid paying the money she owed amd now owes to her ex.
This is one I really want to hear his side of the story. She never said she was physically afraid of him, she is afraid he is going to tell people that she took his money jointly, and used him to pay off her debt and then she dumped him.
NO!!! She did not take responsibility of her actions. She took a very honorable (Ramsey) rule, combine your life and applied it to the a "Shack Up" "Playing House" situation. FAIL!!! "Child.... PAY THE MONEY BACK TO THE EX!!!" To the Ex... Avoid woman/people like this PERIOD.!!!!
She isn’t afraid to keep his money just afraid of his possible responses of her keeping his money. Disagree big time. These guys are filling in a lotta unchecked boxes for her!
John: Don't waste energy worrying, most of the time the thing you're worried about doesn't happen anyway. Also John: If you're worried that someone is going to harass you, call the police on them.
Pay it back. Jesus Christ. The nerve of some people. I’d like to know who broke up with who because if this poor guy paid off her debt and two weeks later, now things aren’t working out? Right.
I love how they listen to one side of the story and assume it is the truth, the responses should take this into consideration that the callers don't always tell the truth.
I really don’t get either of their takes here. She’s a thief and should pay back the money. Id understand if they were together for a long time but come on. She convinces this guy to combine finances with her and pay off her debt then ends the relationship a couple weeks later and she feels no responsibility to pay him back. That’s just terrible
You know it's going to be crazy when they acknowledge they were in a toxic relationship but decided to live together anyways. That's first. Second, she's a crook. He helped pay off her debt? He shouldn't do that to you, but he should take you to court and force you to pay him back. She's wrong. He was dumb for moving in with her if it was toxic. Also, Dave and John are nuts. She stole his money. Wow...
She is the passive-aggressive who is claiming victimhood status. If she took his money, how do we know that she didn't spin the story to make him look bad?
I had a fairly large business deal once and got completely ripped off. Dude took the money and ran. It wasn’t enough to pursue legally either. I just had to take it on the chin and move back on. Any time spent sulking about it or mad about it was time lost on making more money. I did learn from it. There were some red flags that I ignored. The BF here ignored some red flags too. There are lessons to be learned by all involved.
So she’s saying she broke up with him after he paid all of HER debts.
Sounds like this was planned from the beginning.
She is a scammer!
Two weeks later at that!
I do believe she is in the wrong. It’s very odd that she knew they were in a toxic relationship, still decided to combine finances, pay off HER debt, then break up two weeks after? Agreed, he should not be harassing her but at the same time, she needs to own up to what she did. I have a feeling this might have been her plan all along
It was her plan
She’s totally in the wrong. This would make a better judge Judy episode than a Dave Ramsey clip. She’s not going to pay him back so he should just take it to small claims court.
She conned him pure and simple
@@GodnMe maybe she abused him, she was certainly scamming him.
I think it sounds like she took his half of the $20k emergency fund too though - remember, she said they “both” brought $10k to it. So she took $14,800 of his money and is refusing to give it back. Him telling her that there will be consequences is not “harassing” her. I’m a woman and this girl makes me sick.
Don't pay your girlfriend/boyfriend debt. If you are not married it ain't yours to deal with
Just give the money back, woman! They should not have even had a joint account and she should have just paid off her debts herself. He was stupid for following her. Guys, protect yourselves!
Dave would of called you all stupid for not having a joint account.
@@ivanvargas2425 Uh no, Dave says time and time again that if you're not married, no joint accounts and do not commingle assets.
@@Jim_Curtis they should of got married, then joint accounts, then divorce stupid.
"We were in an emotionally unhealthy relationship but decided to live together"
Freaking genius
Goldigging maybe?
Yeah, this one started off badly and went further downhill
All women say that about their exes though, how often do women admit they were the problem? They're ALWAYS the victim.
@@Excalibur2 ever notice that the Bible's main focus is directing counsel to men? Yeah its because testosterone clouds their judgement and makes them stupid.
@@adamseidel9780 A lot of peipel don't recognize it until its too late
that was your debt not his. it was an emergency fund. paying off YOUR personal debt is not an emergency. enough said
I’d love to hear his side of the story. I guarantee she is not telling everything.
You used him for $, stole it, and ran away when you got away with it.
I mean... even her side of the story doesn't paint her in a good light
This isnt that complicated. You took his money. You arent giving it back. You are a thief. If the roles were reversed both hosts would have a VERY different answer.
Dave has stated and made it very clear that he has an "old fashioned" mindset. The chivalrous, be less so she can be more mindset. He thinks women are children that don't know any better. Theres no reason to expect him to change his views at any point.
@@Sarizzza that says alot about your self esteem if you think men are "better" than women, especially in this day and age. You don't seem entitled at all lol And what does a man's physical strength have to do with a few thousand dollars? Let me guess, when you attack a man you're just "hitting" him right?
As a woman I 100% agree. Stealing is not ok no matter what and I bet she broke up by taking out 10k and just leaving.
Not a thief legally speaking, since he authorized her to spend the money at the time. However, he would likely have solid grounds for a small claims suit against her.
Agreed. These two men sound like they’ve gone woke. Ridiculous.
She stole his money. They got their advice all wrong. Don’t give him the money until you’re not “scared”? Really? She OWES him HIS money.
Exactly. She’s a thieving snowflake.
Horrible advice for sure
@@luisl691 I agree. They jumped the gun and didn't even consider his side of the story. They just totally simped out for her.
Women can do wrong sometimes on this show. We are always victims lol
She is in the wrong but at the same time he choose to do it so he can't force her to give back the money.
She didn't say she was afraid of him physically, she was afraid of him telling people she used him to pay her debt. She's afraid of being called a thief in public. She is refusing to give the guy his money back, she is a thief.
She hustled him.
These simps will never get it.
She was the toxic one when they moved in together and "combined finances" (she stole his $10K)
And he's right that she's a thief.
He's just going about getting his money back in the wrong way.
She needs a warning label tattooed on her forehead" "I'll rob you then blame you for it."
She's a thief and he has every right to be angry....but as usual Dave and Delony side with the helpless, poor defenseless woman. Because they both think women are weak and why they defend even the worst ones.
Dave told her that he thinks she should pay the guy the money back. Didn't sound like he was siding with her to keep his money if he told her to pay the man back.
She does owe the money. This is why you don't move in with unhealthy relationships. Pay the money and learn the lesson.
It’s extremely odd and raises a red flag that you leave the relationship two weeks after he helps you finish pay all that debt off. TWO WEEKS! Very convenient on her end, I get his frustration.
It was $4800. She says they both brought 10k to the fund so she could’ve used her own money.
@@tylerhandsome7344 That doesn’t change the fact that she put him on the baby steps plan, had him start putting his money towards her debt, then break up with him two weeks after it’s fully paid off…
@@Devin1993x exactly my through process
Lets see. Harassment, stalking etc. Even if that didn't happen, they paid 4800 of debt with 20K of joint savings. He Owes Her 5200......
More-so, above and beyond the debt, did she keep the entire half of the money that he put into the account? Or did he get that back? If she kept that money, it would definitely compound the issue.
This is why I don’t give loans. People are quick to take it but make you out to be the bad guy when you ask for your money back. She’s looking for justification for stealing his money
So she just stayed with him long enough to pay her debts and leave him after 👍🏽
Typical garden tool behavior
What happens when your a man
Yep typical
Hope she put out for him at least
Stop simping!!!! They weren’t married. That was her debt so that should have been her money to pay it off.
This guy is a big time simp. Every clip he takes the woman's side.
Haha. They will never stop, have you met these guys?
Why is the guy immediately put in bad light? Caller didn’t explain that he for sure threatened to do those things to the caller. Give him back $2400 of his money who knows what the situation was bc of the breakup
Because these two know the power of the purse the leather kind and the flesh kind.
@@Thathat-o7w if a business partner embezzled that same amount for me and then was calling and worried today that I might go to his current employer and get him fired would that be wrong
It doesn't sound like it's half if he is asking for 4800. I think she probably paid her bills then took out 10k thats why he is asking for 4800 back.
AND the $10k that he contributed to their “joint emergency fund”. That girl scammed him out of more than just paying her $4,800 debt.
He shouldn’t threaten her but she should send him the check today.
I imagine he didnt start off threatening. Probably she refused to pay him back. Then what do you do?
That’s why I was saying pay the money back today with a check. People shouldn’t threaten you but it’s important to be honest with cash too!
@@cathyosullivan718 and what do you do if she refuses
Doesn't it depend on the threat? For example, if he said "If you don't give me back my money, I will take you to court." Isn't this an OK threat?
I think threatening to take someone to court is fine but shaming them/ physically threatening them is not okay. It usually causes more problems for everyone. You should always pay 100 percent of owed money back. I’ve had partners not pay money back but what can you do at that point? It taught me not to lend it out in the first place.
She thinks he might do this and he might do that. She might be 50% of the drama. I think she needs to give him his money back and don't engage with him again.
Freaking right! And these guys are telling her to NOT give him HIS money... AND get a restraining order against him?! Off of her made up “fears”.
Ramsey, Please speak plainly. Her heart rate has nothing to do with it. She owes him the money. There’s deeper issues here with her. Don’t tell your boss and make this a bigger issue. Give him his money period. If you feel threatened after you give him the money call the POLICE.
She doesn’t actually feel threatened she just wants to avoid him.
She feels threatened because she knows she scammed him lol
@@lorinmotta9585 You don't know how anyone else really feels about anything. You can try to say you do, but you really don't.
@@Sheryl777 you’re her?
@@katiejon17 lol no but there are so many people in the comments section that don't seem to realize that Dave TOLD the woman that he thinks she should pay the man back. They somehow just skip over that section of the video.
Just No to this response from Dave and Dr D. I'm an older female, and this sounds like she definitely scammed him! She Never said he actually threatened her with going to her boss or to her child's school. She said she feared such. She's a con artist who knew exactly what she was doing and what her end goal was. The guy isn't the only one who was intentionally harmed here. More importantly than the money issue- is that she subjected her child to this "live-in toxic situation". Love the Dave Ramsey show, but you guys completely dropped the ball on this one.
Lesson learned. Folks don't share accounts if you're not married! The money is gone. Women still owe me money when I was stupid and I know I will never get it back. He needs to learn the same
He had no debt. She owed him. She should pay back this money and not try to get away with it. She has no honor.
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Most single mothers are like this lady. They are here to take take take. No honor and no shame.
His mistake was dating a single mother.
She stole that money and is playing the victim and accusing him of abuse. This person is absolutely ridiculous. If someone stole $4800 from me, they would have a problem with me too!
This just gets worse each time I listen. He is calling her a “thief and a scammer”, which she is. The ONLY threat he has made is posting the information on social media, which she deserves by being a thief and a scammer. All other “threats” were made up by HER SHE is “afraid” he will “make me lose my job and go to my daughter’s school to post signs...”. *HE* NEVER SAID HE’D DO THAT, *SHE* IS JUST AFRAID THAT HE MIGHT. Dave and Dr.D.... this woman is what we call “trash”. Be bold and speak the truth on her.
Thank you for stating this because I have listened several times and came up with your observation of this woman and her issues. She it the toxic one here!
Thank for writing down exactly what I was thinking. Dave and John totally were soft on her simply because she's a female. If that was a male, they would've been more harsh.
This single mother was a thief and a con artist. She scammed him.
Opening a checking account with your boyfriend is crazy.
thief.......thief....thief.....don't date this woman. This was a bad take guys. She needs to take responsibility on principles.
His only actual threat is to tell the truth on social media? What's wrong with that?
How is he in the wrong? You cant know he saying any of this. She stole his money!
Moral of the story: Stop playing house.
She owes him the money, if she had the money why didn't she pay off her own debt then combine their money? Sounds suspicious
True, and she said it was an emergency fund and debt is not an emergency. She is a con artist
Dave and John both favor the woman SO much every time. Roles reversed and they’d be beating up on the guy, etc.
It’s because biblically women have different roles then men…
I can't stand it.
@@tylerhandsome7344 biblically they dont have joint bank accounts
Dave is well aware that women make up a big part of their audience. He chooses his words as carefully as Steve Harvey does on his show
@@tylerhandsome7344 Dave just needs to realize that we don't live in biblical times anymore. Women have changed.
"Love yourself enough"??? Sounds like she loves herself too much already. The thief needs to give the money back.
To summarize….mEn BaD! wOmEn GoOd!!!
Absolute bs answer. She’s a thief. A woman in today’s culture can inflict any wrong on a man, including steal his money, and be excused by accusing him of being “toxic.”
This tolerance for female misconduct is one of the worst aspects among religious believers today and is why men are leaving/have left faith based communities in record numbers
I wish there was one member of the Ramsey team that would look at these situations objectively and not immediately defend the female. I bet I know who’s side they’re on in regards to the high profile going on right now.
@@David-wo9un I honestly think Rachel does that.
what makes you think this is a religious thing?
We need to hear his side of the story before we make assumptions.
I would be mad if I was him as well. He should not really be harassing her or going to the school though. But he should be going after her in small claims court if she does not work out a way with him to pay it back.
Dave and John are biased and side with women even when they are wrong. Stop using kid gloves with women. They are adults, and more than capable of acting like one. Just like men.
I would love to see this on an episode of the people's court
He should’ve known better though. This is the famous stooopid tax
To be fair, the going to the school thing isn't even true, that was just her thoughts (something he didn't do). He called her a thief and said he would post about it on socials though, which imo is fair given the circumstances.
@@PrinceDman ya was a hypothetical from the panel. My bad, I could have worded my initial statement better.
Don’t move in with a boyfriend 🤦♀️
Or take his money.
she shared an account with him for two weeks and ran off 4800 dollars better off. This woman has no morals, it's unfortunate a child is involved.
You know you owe him the money no excuse! Just pay up, no excuse and no reason to ask. He's not being a bully, you asked him to set-up an account knowing you may break up. Dave knows she owes the money and he says never put money together.
@@jeffwvu4602 well she use all the money to pay her own debt, he didn't use that money to pay his debt. She own him money
@@jeffwvu4602 Not married and no kid's together, if they had kid's together different ball game. My mother always told, me don't ever take money from a man that is not your husband. I tell my daughter that, I tell my son's don't give a woman your money if she not your wife. That was her debit,
@@jeffwvu4602 Again, she asked him too, never take another person's money. She used his money to pay her debit to keep her money.
His first mistake was getting involved with a single mother. His second mistake was shacking up with a single mother. His third mistake was getting a shared checking account with a single mother. But that doesn't excuse the fact that she took his money and bailed like some sort of con artist.
Not all single mothers are bad. I live with my partner now but one of the things he liked most about me when we started dating was how hard I work and being independent not “needing” a man. I had my own place, nice car, always offered to pay when we were on dates etc. Some of us are equals and are more than capable of taking care of ourselves and our family all on our own.
@@brooke86
Not all single mothers are bad but MOST are. This caller is a prime example of a bad single mother. She stole her ex's money, she totally conned him.
@@terriesmith2616 nah shes just a user who had a kid. Someone with this behavior I wouldn't even want to think about how she treats her kid
@@michellerichardson3090 how exactly do you know this of her?
@@michelledawnharpist because her behavior tells me. She was wrong
She needs to give him back HIS money. Period.
Seems like she is trying to justify her behavior by calling him toxic. We don't know of what she is saying is true. What we do know she stole the money by using his finances. He took care of you and your child and after you you paid off your debt, you left.
It’s both of their faults shouldn’t move in if they aren’t married.I will never give big money 💴 to a boyfriend
Exactly
First mistake DATING A SINGLE MOM ‼️
I feel safe to say she was the toxic one in the toxic relationship. Give the man his money back. She's sketchy.
I didn't hear any threats. Him going around telling the truth can't by definition be a threat. If she took the money and won't return it, or can't return it cause she doesn't have it and goes around telling people this weather it be her boss her parents or her priest it might not be nice of him but it's not a threat. If this gets him his money back quicker or cheaper more power to him why should he have hire attorneys take off work to sue her in civil or small claims court. If she doesn't like things like this being said about her maybe she shouldn't have done them to begin with.
She said they both contributed money. She needed to pay her own debt period. You don’t get into an awful relationship and think there will be roses in the end.
The title for this one should be:
"Judge Judy Stuff"
Pay your debt & problem solved. I see this on Judge Judy all the time. People afraid of what recourse they may have to face & cry harassment- they want the money you owe them- pay what you owe & move on!
That was not a wise idea at all to merge finances.
You don't need authority. You need to give money back
Nahh, shes the bully in this relationship. She stole his money and needs to give it back. "We broke up" means that she left him, or she would have probably said something like "He broke up with me". She took his money and ran, give it back woman! This is why men need to stay single.
You're very perceptive. I was trying to figure out who broke up with whom, but you're right, if he had broken it off she would have said so. Either way I feel she needs to repay him.
The guy is NOT a bozo or bully and the woman IS a thief! Like what are they even saying? If a business stole that much money from me you can bet I’d be at their doorstep. He’s not stalking her house or threatening violence. This is so cringy to listen to. 🤦🏻♂️
Yeah she did that on purpose
You can tell in the writting she wants to make him seem like a monster to get the "approval" to keep his money.
Exactly. That's what I picked up too. Notice how she didn't say he actually said or did followed through on those threats, she just said she feared he may. The guys then acted like he made those threats when she never stated if he did or not. The way she wrote the letter makes me believe she was trying to make herself look like the sole victim here to get the exact response the guys gave. The whole thing reeks of her being a manipulator.
Another example of women not taking accountability.
This gentleman simply is paying “stuupid tax”.
Would love it if the boyfriend called in and told his side of the story. (The letter sounds dubious from the beginning)
The wild thing is in the letter she totally admitted that she basically talked him into paying off her debt for him and then broke up with him and took all his money… and their reaction is still that he’s the bad guy.
@@adamseidel9780 Every time with these two, regardless of the level of female misbehavior.
@@adamseidel9780 Dave also told her to pay the guy back. (But that part seems to have been forgotten).
That would be interesting because she already clearly showed that she is the “thief and scammer” he claims she is. It could only get better with him giving all the story.
If you owe it, you owe it. You don't get a free pass because you feel scared. We know very little about this break-up.
She did steal his money and needs to repay it. He needs to take her to court like a grownup instead of putting signs up around her neighborhood/job/school.
And this friends is why you don't combine finances until you are married...
Or EVER if you see any yellow or red flags...in fact, don't move in...don't talk to them at all.
We are only getting half the story. I suspect she is intentionally leaving out critical info from his perspective.
She needs to get a third party involved, maybe a pastor or lawyer, and pay him back. She needs to pay him back.
Pay the money back, then ghost him and move on. No one is worth being with them if the relationship is bad. Pay the money and walk.
If the woman paid for the guys debt dave would be on the womans side. And Dave would be demanding him to pay her back if he wants to be a "real man"
@@Thathat-o7w he said I kind of do think you owe him he never said pay him back
@@Thathat-o7w I keep telling people the same thing too, but they don't want to hear that....they'd rather believe that somehow Dave did not tell her to pay the man back, when he actually DID tell her to pay him back.
@@mcwizar1 Same thing...he said I think you do owe him the money, which means "You should pay him back".
I'm a bit confused. They both put money toward a $10K emergency fund? Or did I hear that wrong? So give him back his portion and you get the difference of your portion and $4800. Maybe I misheard though...
That’s what I said. It’s crazy how childish people can be. They are both grown adults acting like little kids, and at least one of them has a little kid…
She stole his money…the end.
She said they BOTH “brought $10k” to the joint emergency fund. This girl is ninja level scammer. The guy’s right.
They're so pressed that they joined finances before marriage that they overlooked the fact that she scammed this man.
She's not a thief, but she has zero integrity.
Single mom, finds simp to pay off her debt than dumps him right after…
“Everything a man gives a woman is a gift. Everything a woman gives a man is a loan.”
Men need to stop leading with their wallets and paying for women who aren’t their wives and only women that are net assets to your life(spiritually, financially, mentally) should be considered for long term relationships, cohabitation, or marriage.
The rest, as Dave put it, need to be “stiff armed.” Toxic relationships cut both ways.
@@Thathat-o7w 👍 Absolutely agree with you.
She wants a justifiable reason to keep this man's money. She is not going to give it back. Given her actions and her status as a single mother, It's clear she has a desperation mindset and she was clearly using him for his resources but they were too unstable to stay together.
He got what he paid for, now she’s gone.
ladies stop swindling men! I used to be friends with a woman, who did this all the time, she had her front door kicked and had her car keyed several times, and was always receiving nasty messages from men who felt like she was hustling them, because she was. Ladies all the stress and looking behind your back because you know you took somebody for a ride it’s not worth it, give the money back and move on with your life🙏🏾
I knew a girl who deliberately used a man and called herself a Christian too. I totally lost all respect for her. She suckered him into quitting his job in Oklahoma and moving back to Orlando. She told me she was going to use him to finance the move and do the labor and would dump him as soon as they got there.
Chalk it up to a lesson learned... you were not married!! Move on!!
Her debt wasn't an emergency before she combined finances, but it was after? BS lady, pay him back, also tell him to lose your number.
She is wrong. She is delusional and entitled thinking she's not a thief
Dude just learned a big lesson. He should've never put his money to pay her debt. ROOKIE MISTAKE. If she brought debt then that's HER DEBT. Take it in the chin and move on with life. Also, stop where the harassment, it doesn't help you in the long run.
I would take it to small claims court.
Also the $10k he contributed to the emergency fund. She kept it all.
I don’t condone hitting a bully even if if the bully is a female. She never said he made threats. You guys are assuming he made threats according to her emotions. Buy obviously she is emotionally unstable and what she did is morally wrong and could have been premeditated. Now she is playing the victim part to avoid paying the money she owed amd now owes to her ex.
She definitely deserves to pay him back i would file a lawsuit deadass
This is one I really want to hear his side of the story. She never said she was physically afraid of him, she is afraid he is going to tell people that she took his money jointly, and used him to pay off her debt and then she dumped him.
She’s a thief, and now she’s scared. Karma will come
This is what the dude gets for SIMPing
Boyfriend/Girlfriend: Pay the other back. Marriage: Don't pay back. Just imo.
NO!!! She did not take responsibility of her actions. She took a very honorable (Ramsey) rule, combine your life and applied it to the a "Shack Up" "Playing House" situation. FAIL!!!
"Child.... PAY THE MONEY BACK TO THE EX!!!"
To the Ex... Avoid woman/people like this PERIOD.!!!!
The guy should just relax. I bet she racks up debt again fast. She didn’t learn her lesson.
They weren't married and she owes him the money. I believed she used him for his money and as soon as he paid her debt she left.
She had the money she should have paid the debt. PAY HIM BACK!
No bully here, just a thief woman.
PAY IT BACK!
She isn’t afraid to keep his money just afraid of his possible responses of her keeping his money. Disagree big time. These guys are filling in a lotta unchecked boxes for her!
You play silly games like house without being married, you win silly prizes like an empty bank account. 😏
John: Don't waste energy worrying, most of the time the thing you're worried about doesn't happen anyway.
Also John: If you're worried that someone is going to harass you, call the police on them.
The police can’t do anything unless a crime is committed. This lady would be wasting their time if she called.
Birds of a feather flock together. They both have their issues
How did she take him for his money they both combined 10k she used 4800 of the money to pay her debt why should she owe him anything
Pay it back. Jesus Christ. The nerve of some people.
I’d like to know who broke up with who because if this poor guy paid off her debt and two weeks later, now things aren’t working out? Right.
I love how they listen to one side of the story and assume it is the truth, the responses should take this into consideration that the callers don't always tell the truth.
I really don’t get either of their takes here. She’s a thief and should pay back the money. Id understand if they were together for a long time but come on. She convinces this guy to combine finances with her and pay off her debt then ends the relationship a couple weeks later and she feels no responsibility to pay him back. That’s just terrible
You know it's going to be crazy when they acknowledge they were in a toxic relationship but decided to live together anyways.
That's first. Second, she's a crook. He helped pay off her debt? He shouldn't do that to you, but he should take you to court and force you to pay him back. She's wrong. He was dumb for moving in with her if it was toxic.
Also, Dave and John are nuts. She stole his money. Wow...
She is the passive-aggressive who is claiming victimhood status. If she took his money, how do we know that she didn't spin the story to make him look bad?
I had a fairly large business deal once and got completely ripped off. Dude took the money and ran. It wasn’t enough to pursue legally either. I just had to take it on the chin and move back on. Any time spent sulking about it or mad about it was time lost on making more money. I did learn from it. There were some red flags that I ignored. The BF here ignored some red flags too. There are lessons to be learned by all involved.