Well, this is part of the problem stil. Stupid aps and payment issues, defective chargers, and so on. I can manage and allways charge on the safe side, so u have several options. But I can understand the frustration from other users, you realy have to be positive minded and patient. I don't understand why there can't be an autopass solution for the whole of Europe. I like my two electric cars, and will not go back to ice, but I still see that improvements for charging must come.
The handshake problem seems to just be "a thing" for the old VW EV's. The older eGolfs here in the US (pre-2018 I believe) also fail to handshake with a lot of newer chargers and VW seems to not be interested in updating them
Tbh, newer charging hardware should work with older EVs. I can understand if an old charger have problems with a new EV if there has been slight changes to the communication protocols. Ragde support claims this charger type is tested and works with all current EVs. I call BS on that.
@@Gazer75 the ISO15118 standard for charging protocols is fairly loose and up to interpretation, so some of the early EVs don't entirely follow the standard the same way newer cars do.
Talked to Ragde about this handshake problem and the support was kind of arrogant. Even suggested it was time to buy a new EV. Highly doubt they care or even bother investigating. Suggest banning this charger from possible locations to use. Ragde is asking 6.89 NOK/kWh which I consider highway robbery.
What happened to the 2 x 50kW Recharge stations ? I was charging there in August 2023 when I rented a cabin up in the mountain between Hagafoss and Aurland. This is the only charger until Aurland so this is kind of critical, and stupid to just remove something that works at least. And since you will shot at Kiwi anyway a slow (50kW) charger kind of works
Thats odd. When a old petrol powered car comes to a filling station. The pump works exactly the same as it does for a brand new car. Surely the charging stations should accommodate for older EVs as well
@@citedcanvas85The world is not that simple. When an old car comes to a gas pump in Norway it might not get the octane value it was built for and now the gas is E10 (10% methanol) that damages the engine in most older cars, and of course, you loose 20-30% of the hp..
@@MortenB0E10 is 10% ethanol, not methanol, and it does not “damage” older cars. Nor does it reduce power by 20-30%. Ethanol actually increases the octane value, which high performance cars can benefit from.
@@fiehlsport You are right, I got the methanol wrong, it is of course ethanol. But E10 is not good for old cars, the ethanol is drying out rubber gaskets and tubes in old cars with risk of leaks over time. Some car manufacturer also says egine can take damage of E10 over time. My son has a Daihatsu Terios and with 95/E10 this car totally looses engine power when going uphill, and also, the gas consumption increased a lot. He has to use old fashion 98 octane gas, even that 95/E10 is cheaper using the more expensive 98 is more economic. The car was fine with 95/E5
Looking forward to part 2. We have the 2nd gen version, but as a Skoda CitiGo e iV with the larger 32kWh (net) battery. I believe the gen 1 cars have around 18-20 kWh (net) only. I drove from Switzerland to Denmark in our car in 2020, 1200 km and two adults, two kids. It took more than 24 hours. On the way back a few weeks later, it was a heat wave in Souther Germany and that surely did not help when the battery doesn have any kind of active cooling system (not even air ventilation). I find in interesting when the battery is 32 C and inside the cabin, energy is used to keep warm. Even without a heat pump, imaging being able to transfer heat between the battery and the cabin.
We have the new e-up 2020 as a company car (pool). It is awesome and everyone likes it. 32,3 kWh, 7,2 kW twinphase AC charger, lane assist… it cost new about 16k euro. Really a lot of a car for the money :) The HPC at Kiwi is an EVbox Troniq… :/
Drove back from Austria to Netherlands, only 2 stops needed, but took three. Second stop Paderborn, didn't wanted to wait, so drove it till 3% and 5minute top up in Emmen to get home. Drove 170kmh, above 150kmh no more cruise control.
I have a Skoda Citigo e IV, from 2020, and it also has the larger battery but as you, slower charging. The highest I have ever seen on CCS is 38kW, and that would not last long. I did a 1200 km road trip (and back!) in this car, in 2020 and again in 2021. The lowest CCS charging speed I saw was 8kW, with around 75% SoC or something. This is a city car, not a road trip car, but I just wanted to see that it was possible. 1200 km took over 24 hours, and we were 4 people on all these trips. I agree with you, why does the smaller and older battery get 45kW, while the newer and larger battery only typically 30-35kW? At least I hope it means less battery degradation.
@@74p The answer you're looking for is cobalt. The old small battery has a different chemistry which can take higher charging speed but is much less energy dense.
Yes, @@pathfinderproject9381 , we did that, and 1200 km each way in 2020. But the kids were only 5 and 6 years old back then. I also promised that we won't do long trips like that ever again, in this car. Up to 500-750 km maximum in one day, if we really need to but most trips we do are less than 100 km.
While that charging network maybe just faulty, may help to leave ignition on as UK network here that uses Chargemaster chargers, won’t charge otherwise.
@@bjornnylandDid the car scream at you "HV system Error" after you got the red light at the charge port? That happened to me the first time I tried a Ionity tritium charger.
I have a facelift e-Golf, and in my city we have like 16 charging stations from same provider, and only some of them are working for eGolf and eUp. Same things, it fails to handshake. At first none of them were working, but they were able to make a few of them to work. But took several months, them talking to VW and stuff like that.
In America the early e-Golf is one of the few cars that won’t charge at Tesla Superchargers equipped with the CCS Magic Dock. Tesla never accounted for the unique CCS protocol this car uses. Must be a VW problem - they could update their cars to comply with CCS properly, but they won’t.
Someone in comments said old EVs are useless and overpriced. I would say, it depends what you need it for but also what sort of EV did you get. I got Jan 2018 Soul EV 30kWh and use it every day since 2019 January when I bought it 1y old from dealer as ex-demo. Hardly any degradation, already 85000km on the clock. I got boxes of tools, sand, cement and all the sort od things in the car including ladders on the roof. Easily getting 115miles at 20deg., only down to 90miles during winter at 0deg.when I leave it on with heated seats and steering wheel plus heating on when driving to next stop (I can just switch the car off when doing a job for 20 minutes but prefer to have it on anyway so when I get back from heights I can take the jacket of and get roasted in the seat!). I can see why people curse older EVs however I must defend some of them like the old Ioniq as well as Soul (I must admit 30kWh version has better battery and charging curve when I compared it with friends 27kWh). I only charge at home, never did more than 120miles at work in a day and that was me forgetting important tool and had to drive all the way back to home in between the jobs than back on the road again. Came back with 2% but could just drive slower and be at home with more if needed. The ladders definitely add to the drag but I drive a lot between villages and it's 60mph limit but twisty road so I drive at 50mph so 80km/h highest speed, and 30mph when going through the villages (legal limit). For me Kia Soul 30kWh is a perfect car. Boot could be longer but I use it with the seats down and a special waterproof cover and rubber mat in the boot for protection. I want to change it for something never but to be fair not much choice and prices are ridiculous 😒 I paid 17500GBP for 1 year old EV could easily sell it for 10000GBP today (I saved more than the car is worth in just fuel itself not mentioning savings on the oil/filter changes and car tax).
Waiting 30 seconds sounds plausible, I know the VW e-Up waits for 30 seconds before starting to charge after pressing the unlock button the key. Might also have some weird timeout before starting the handshake.
Cool test Bjørn! You gonna test the upgraded VW ID4 2024 with preheated battery? Buying a new car and the choices are: Brand new 24 ID4 Highline e-motion full spec (with moller employee discount tru my brother) or an 1 year used Model Y LR. (The cars are the same price) Family of 3. Any valuable input to a Eidsvoll Neighbour? :D
Check Bjørn's ID7 series to see how ID software 4.0 works. Battery Life has conducted a Enyaq comparison old vs new Ap550 motor recently. New AP550 is roughly 5% more efficient.
4:50 WTF the new E-UP doesn't do that and the new e-UP charge even slower. So if you are charging at 30kw and you fire the HVAC you will get 25kw (or even less intially)
Because the newer model have heatpump most likely. These models will not be able to steal extra from the charger. I have the same thing in my 2020 eGolf.
@@StefanoFinocchiaroThen I have no idea why it's not working for you. I guess only Nordics get heatpump as default on the newer models. Pretty much all EVs have this as standard i Norway now.
21:48 The charger brand seems to be „EVBOX“. Three years ago a famous German TH-camr harshly complained about lots of problems with EVBOX charging stations… Three years should have been sufficient to improve the reliability of this product…
February 2021: Car Maniac furiously cursing for only getting 29 kW from EVBOX charging stations at minute 9:07 th-cam.com/video/zu3AmPg405g/w-d-xo.htmlm07s
This is a handshake problem. Most likely the com pins didn't have proper connection or the software/hardware doesn't like the old VW models. As TB said the e-Up doesn't even work on Tesla SuC.
@@benjaminhanke79Guessing the later models got some tweaks to be more in line with the communication standard. I've not had any complete fails like that in my 2020 eGolf either.
This sounds crazy, just remove the 2 x 50kW Recharge stations that at least worked and replace them with something that is more expensive and unstable. In most cases you would shop at Kiwi (like when at a mountain cabin) and then 50kW is fine, you do not wait, you go and buy some groceries. For Bergen-Oslo drivers this is not helpful either, even if it works it is more expensive and you would charge at Geilo, Ål or Gol. So these charges are kind of pointless. Please give us back the old chargers 😆
Car like this is perfect for short distance like city driving. Average person drive less than 100km per day. ICE efficiency is horrible at slow speed, even with hybrids, on BEV its the other way round.
Hi Reinhard I got 2018 Soul EV 30kWh and use it every day since 2019 January when I bought it from dealer as expected demo. Hardly any degradation, already 85000km on the clock. I got boxes of tools, sand, cement and all the sort od things in the car including ladders on the roof. Easily getting 115miles, only down to 90miles during winter when I leave it on with heated seats and steering wheel plus heating on when driving to next stop. I can see why people course older EVs however I must Defender some of them like the old Ioniq as well as Soul (I must admit 30kWh version has better battery and charging curve vs.27kWh and far less degradation). I hardly ever do jobs further away than 20 miles from my town so even with extra quotations in the evening, shopping or getting g kids from friends never run into issue with charging during day. I charge 100% at home and currently 12p a kWh (around 13.5 Eurocents). I like my Soul a lot! Never broken down, in the cold mornings just put it on for 5 minutes and the seat and steering wheel is piping hot plus 21 degrees in the cabin.
@@ReinhardSchuster You assume things a bit too quickly. I have a diesel Honda CRV, and had Saab 9-5's Aeros all my life. Clocked above 1000000 miles in them easily. That's 1.6 million km. I climb, go fishing, cycling with kids, walking and summer time sea side sometimes twice a weekend (90 miles 1 way). I drive around Europe for 4 to 5 weeks in August when the kids are off school and use our diesel Honda. However, for daily driving Kia Soul is over 4 times cheaper, has £0 tax (Saab Aero was £530 a year) and is 2.5 times cheaper to insure than my 2.2 diesel Vito. If you ask me, I still prefer warm seats and steering wheel in Soul than been freezing my back every time I had to get back to the Van in winter time. And no, you can't have your engine running in ICE car in the UK, you can get fined for that apart from paying a huge bill for fuel. So for some people EVs can be useless but as a main car for business and daily driving it's seems like a no brainer in most EU countries.
Well, this is part of the problem stil. Stupid aps and payment issues, defective chargers, and so on. I can manage and allways charge on the safe side, so u have several options. But I can understand the frustration from other users, you realy have to be positive minded and patient. I don't understand why there can't be an autopass solution for the whole of Europe. I like my two electric cars, and will not go back to ice, but I still see that improvements for charging must come.
The handshake problem seems to just be "a thing" for the old VW EV's. The older eGolfs here in the US (pre-2018 I believe) also fail to handshake with a lot of newer chargers and VW seems to not be interested in updating them
Yeah, this was partly the reason I eventually ended up with a tesla.
Tbh, newer charging hardware should work with older EVs.
I can understand if an old charger have problems with a new EV if there has been slight changes to the communication protocols.
Ragde support claims this charger type is tested and works with all current EVs. I call BS on that.
@@Gazer75 the ISO15118 standard for charging protocols is fairly loose and up to interpretation, so some of the early EVs don't entirely follow the standard the same way newer cars do.
Talked to Ragde about this handshake problem and the support was kind of arrogant. Even suggested it was time to buy a new EV. Highly doubt they care or even bother investigating.
Suggest banning this charger from possible locations to use. Ragde is asking 6.89 NOK/kWh which I consider highway robbery.
What happened to the 2 x 50kW Recharge stations ? I was charging there in August 2023 when I rented a cabin up in the mountain between Hagafoss and Aurland. This is the only charger until Aurland so this is kind of critical, and stupid to just remove something that works at least. And since you will shot at Kiwi anyway a slow (50kW) charger kind of works
Thats odd. When a old petrol powered car comes to a filling station. The pump works exactly the same as it does for a brand new car. Surely the charging stations should accommodate for older EVs as well
@@citedcanvas85The world is not that simple. When an old car comes to a gas pump in Norway it might not get the octane value it was built for and now the gas is E10 (10% methanol) that damages the engine in most older cars, and of course, you loose 20-30% of the hp..
@@MortenB0E10 is 10% ethanol, not methanol, and it does not “damage” older cars. Nor does it reduce power by 20-30%. Ethanol actually increases the octane value, which high performance cars can benefit from.
@@fiehlsport You are right, I got the methanol wrong, it is of course ethanol. But E10 is not good for old cars, the ethanol is drying out rubber gaskets and tubes in old cars with risk of leaks over time. Some car manufacturer also says egine can take damage of E10 over time. My son has a Daihatsu Terios and with 95/E10 this car totally looses engine power when going uphill, and also, the gas consumption increased a lot. He has to use old fashion 98 octane gas, even that 95/E10 is cheaper using the more expensive 98 is more economic. The car was fine with 95/E5
There is a osram led upgrade kit to remove the halogen light. In Germany they are street legal. Much better light.
e-Up you can put complete lightunit of Up GTI...
Still better than I would have guessed.
You are making the world a great service Björn.
I like the time-lapse segments between the charges better than the usual real time transitions, for what is worth. For night shots at least.
Looking forward to part 2. We have the 2nd gen version, but as a Skoda CitiGo e iV with the larger 32kWh (net) battery. I believe the gen 1 cars have around 18-20 kWh (net) only.
I drove from Switzerland to Denmark in our car in 2020, 1200 km and two adults, two kids. It took more than 24 hours. On the way back a few weeks later, it was a heat wave in Souther Germany and that surely did not help when the battery doesn have any kind of active cooling system (not even air ventilation).
I find in interesting when the battery is 32 C and inside the cabin, energy is used to keep warm. Even without a heat pump, imaging being able to transfer heat between the battery and the cabin.
We have the new e-up 2020 as a company car (pool). It is awesome and everyone likes it. 32,3 kWh, 7,2 kW twinphase AC charger, lane assist… it cost new about 16k euro. Really a lot of a car for the money :)
The HPC at Kiwi is an EVbox Troniq… :/
Drove back from Austria to Netherlands, only 2 stops needed, but took three. Second stop Paderborn, didn't wanted to wait, so drove it till 3% and 5minute top up in Emmen to get home. Drove 170kmh, above 150kmh no more cruise control.
Ecoflow in boot for a frosty small legacy car run perhaps?
You don't want to pee in your pants to keep warm! Pure Bjorn
this is so weird. I had a Seat Mii Electric from 2021 with CCS. technically it's the same car, but mine would only charge with up to 31 kW
I have a Skoda Citigo e IV, from 2020, and it also has the larger battery but as you, slower charging. The highest I have ever seen on CCS is 38kW, and that would not last long. I did a 1200 km road trip (and back!) in this car, in 2020 and again in 2021. The lowest CCS charging speed I saw was 8kW, with around 75% SoC or something. This is a city car, not a road trip car, but I just wanted to see that it was possible. 1200 km took over 24 hours, and we were 4 people on all these trips.
I agree with you, why does the smaller and older battery get 45kW, while the newer and larger battery only typically 30-35kW? At least I hope it means less battery degradation.
@@74p The answer you're looking for is cobalt. The old small battery has a different chemistry which can take higher charging speed but is much less energy dense.
@@74p four people for 24h in a citigo? oh boy
Yes, @@pathfinderproject9381 , we did that, and 1200 km each way in 2020. But the kids were only 5 and 6 years old back then. I also promised that we won't do long trips like that ever again, in this car. Up to 500-750 km maximum in one day, if we really need to but most trips we do are less than 100 km.
@pathfinderproject9381 some people go to great length to show they safe the world
While that charging network maybe just faulty, may help to leave ignition on as UK network here that uses Chargemaster chargers, won’t charge otherwise.
Already tried it. Didn't work.
@@bjornnylandDid the car scream at you "HV system Error" after you got the red light at the charge port? That happened to me the first time I tried a Ionity tritium charger.
I have a facelift e-Golf, and in my city we have like 16 charging stations from same provider, and only some of them are working for eGolf and eUp. Same things, it fails to handshake. At first none of them were working, but they were able to make a few of them to work. But took several months, them talking to VW and stuff like that.
In America the early e-Golf is one of the few cars that won’t charge at Tesla Superchargers equipped with the CCS Magic Dock. Tesla never accounted for the unique CCS protocol this car uses. Must be a VW problem - they could update their cars to comply with CCS properly, but they won’t.
Sorry what do you mean by handshake?
You got this Bjorn. Let's how you got it in part 2. lol.
Great vids, thanks
if you buy the e-Up, you can upgrade the halogen H4 headlights to road legal H4 LED by Philips or Osram
Whether it's legal depends on the country. For example in the UK it won't be legal unfortunately.
Someone in comments said old EVs are useless and overpriced. I would say, it depends what you need it for but also what sort of EV did you get.
I got Jan 2018 Soul EV 30kWh and use it every day since 2019 January when I bought it 1y old from dealer as ex-demo.
Hardly any degradation, already 85000km on the clock.
I got boxes of tools, sand, cement and all the sort od things in the car including ladders on the roof. Easily getting 115miles at 20deg., only down to 90miles during winter at 0deg.when I leave it on with heated seats and steering wheel plus heating on when driving to next stop (I can just switch the car off when doing a job for 20 minutes but prefer to have it on anyway so when I get back from heights I can take the jacket of and get roasted in the seat!).
I can see why people curse older EVs however I must defend some of them like the old Ioniq as well as Soul (I must admit 30kWh version has better battery and charging curve when I compared it with friends 27kWh).
I only charge at home, never did more than 120miles at work in a day and that was me forgetting important tool and had to drive all the way back to home in between the jobs than back on the road again. Came back with 2% but could just drive slower and be at home with more if needed.
The ladders definitely add to the drag but I drive a lot between villages and it's 60mph limit but twisty road so I drive at 50mph so 80km/h highest speed, and 30mph when going through the villages (legal limit).
For me Kia Soul 30kWh is a perfect car.
Boot could be longer but I use it with the seats down and a special waterproof cover and rubber mat in the boot for protection. I want to change it for something never but to be fair not much choice and prices are ridiculous 😒
I paid 17500GBP for 1 year old EV could easily sell it for 10000GBP today (I saved more than the car is worth in just fuel itself not mentioning savings on the oil/filter changes and car tax).
It's funny to see the stereo on the eup is the old stereo from a 2008 fossil golf lol
I tried the same charger last fall with an id3 and couldn't get it to work. But there is an old 50 kw charger from recharge behind kiwi
I couldn't find any 50 kW from Recharge on their app.
Waiting 30 seconds sounds plausible, I know the VW e-Up waits for 30 seconds before starting to charge after pressing the unlock button the key. Might also have some weird timeout before starting the handshake.
Has any evil person asked for an E-Up 1000km or arctic circle challenge yet?
I wonder how easy it would be to upgrade the early cars to the later e-Up! battery ?
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Hello.You have to try swiching the key once and then start charging
Already done. Didn't help.
Cool test Bjørn! You gonna test the upgraded VW ID4 2024 with preheated battery? Buying a new car and the choices are: Brand new 24 ID4 Highline e-motion full spec (with moller employee discount tru my brother) or an 1 year used Model Y LR. (The cars are the same price) Family of 3. Any valuable input to a Eidsvoll Neighbour? :D
Check Bjørn's ID7 series to see how ID software 4.0 works. Battery Life has conducted a Enyaq comparison old vs new Ap550 motor recently.
New AP550 is roughly 5% more efficient.
If ID is full spec you get Matrix light, HUD, DCC, working windshield vipers etc. none of those you can't even get for Model Y even if you want to.
@@mr.wizeguy8995 True! Does Bjørn upload his excel sheets somewhere? Most cars are tested in 90Km/t and he is atleast driving normal in 120km/t. :)
@@mr.wizeguy8995 What i dont get about VW is that is soo freaking heavy, almost 2-300KG more than Tesla. Would probably hurt my range alot?
@@DjKeres Model Y and new ID.4 efficiency is basically same.
4:50 WTF the new E-UP doesn't do that and the new e-UP charge even slower. So if you are charging at 30kw and you fire the HVAC you will get 25kw (or even less intially)
Because the newer model have heatpump most likely. These models will not be able to steal extra from the charger.
I have the same thing in my 2020 eGolf.
@@Gazer75 I've the newer model and they don't have heatpump
@@StefanoFinocchiaroThen I have no idea why it's not working for you.
I guess only Nordics get heatpump as default on the newer models. Pretty much all EVs have this as standard i Norway now.
@@Gazer75 Not the e-UP, only e-Golf had a heat pump variant
21:48 The charger brand seems to be „EVBOX“. Three years ago a famous German TH-camr harshly complained about lots of problems with EVBOX charging stations… Three years should have been sufficient to improve the reliability of this product…
February 2021: Car Maniac furiously cursing for only getting 29 kW from EVBOX charging stations at minute 9:07 th-cam.com/video/zu3AmPg405g/w-d-xo.htmlm07s
TH-cam Channel: Car Maniac / Video Title: ALLEGO STICHPROBE 2021 - Reißt bitte endlich die Säulen ab... / Cursing at Minute 9:07
Interesting, it seems charging infrastructure in Norway is not much better than UK 😒
Why you dont bring the ecoflow ?
Hej från Sverige! Maybe you mentioned it, but what's the name of that app? 1:01
Ive found that phoning the charger company gets them to switch on the power from their offices bypassing the payment screen.
This is a handshake problem. Most likely the com pins didn't have proper connection or the software/hardware doesn't like the old VW models.
As TB said the e-Up doesn't even work on Tesla SuC.
@@Gazer75Tesla worked for me twice, but when I needed it it stopped charging after a minute. I had no handshake problems (2018 e-up)
@@benjaminhanke79Guessing the later models got some tweaks to be more in line with the communication standard. I've not had any complete fails like that in my 2020 eGolf either.
I'd say go with a car with the biggest space
never heard about Ragde charge. what a stupid system with ugly names Selma and Frida.ugh
19:12 careful with the overtaking on the outside bend
Shieet!
For 15000sek i could consider one for my daughter but these start at around 180000sek and that is a joke for this car
This sounds crazy, just remove the 2 x 50kW Recharge stations that at least worked and replace them with something that is more expensive and unstable. In most cases you would shop at Kiwi (like when at a mountain cabin) and then 50kW is fine, you do not wait, you go and buy some groceries. For Bergen-Oslo drivers this is not helpful either, even if it works it is more expensive and you would charge at Geilo, Ål or Gol. So these charges are kind of pointless. Please give us back the old chargers 😆
A good example why EVs are still very impractical and unviable for most people to consider buying.
IT's a 10 year old small City Car with a tiny battery size. Also Not fully developed as a bev. What did you expect?
@justininfrance A good example of a clueless comment
No it isn't. This is a worst case scenario - with a car that's more than 10 years old.
@@Kortusmaximusnot everyone can afford a brand new or even relatively new car though
Car like this is perfect for short distance like city driving. Average person drive less than 100km per day. ICE efficiency is horrible at slow speed, even with hybrids, on BEV its the other way round.
Old EVs are useless and overpriced
Just like old fossil cars then.
Hi Reinhard
I got 2018 Soul EV 30kWh and use it every day since 2019 January when I bought it from dealer as expected demo.
Hardly any degradation, already 85000km on the clock.
I got boxes of tools, sand, cement and all the sort od things in the car including ladders on the roof. Easily getting 115miles, only down to 90miles during winter when I leave it on with heated seats and steering wheel plus heating on when driving to next stop.
I can see why people course older EVs however I must Defender some of them like the old Ioniq as well as Soul (I must admit 30kWh version has better battery and charging curve vs.27kWh and far less degradation).
I hardly ever do jobs further away than 20 miles from my town so even with extra quotations in the evening, shopping or getting g kids from friends never run into issue with charging during day.
I charge 100% at home and currently 12p a kWh (around 13.5 Eurocents).
I like my Soul a lot! Never broken down, in the cold mornings just put it on for 5 minutes and the seat and steering wheel is piping hot plus 21 degrees in the cabin.
@@Haveagutd becaus you don't drive a lot.
My 2017 Skoda Kodiaq 4x4 has 275.000 km
@@ReinhardSchuster 275k km. How much did that cost you?
@@ReinhardSchuster
You assume things a bit too quickly.
I have a diesel Honda CRV, and had Saab 9-5's Aeros all my life. Clocked above 1000000 miles in them easily.
That's 1.6 million km.
I climb, go fishing, cycling with kids, walking and summer time sea side sometimes twice a weekend (90 miles 1 way). I drive around Europe for 4 to 5 weeks in August when the kids are off school and use our diesel Honda.
However, for daily driving Kia Soul is over 4 times cheaper, has £0 tax (Saab Aero was £530 a year) and is 2.5 times cheaper to insure than my 2.2 diesel Vito.
If you ask me, I still prefer warm seats and steering wheel in Soul than been freezing my back every time I had to get back to the Van in winter time. And no, you can't have your engine running in ICE car in the UK, you can get fined for that apart from paying a huge bill for fuel.
So for some people EVs can be useless but as a main car for business and daily driving it's seems like a no brainer in most EU countries.
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