Ya making me laugh hard bruv 🤣😂😅 as its not as bad or has hard as you think as for someone like me & the position i have especially in my latter years that i have over the years in working & saving hard i haveva nice bundle in desposable funds ( sshhhh, don't tell the wife 🤭 ) that if i truly want can buy a top flight £12,14,16k "Super Road Bike" from any of our top mainstream bike manufacturers but he'll to the NO why would anyone of us do that...., build your own for roughly £6.5k max to your own body spec like i have that will be 100% better than any mainstream bullshit rip off high street production rip offs from any of our top main 5 bike manufacturers....!!!
At my level of group riding I am not interested in "aero gains"or "weight savings." The SL8 to me is one of the the most unattractive bikes ever made while the SL7 is remains one of the most attractive. I can always lose a little weight and practice a better arrow position, but I will only get uglier as I age! I just bought one of the last available S- Works SL7 in red , satin black, fade. A very pretty bike indeed. I am very happy.
Looking at the price of the frame alone, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a frame and build up with top tier groupset and wheels? Looking at prices in Auatralia it works out several grand cheaper than buying the whole package. What am I missing?
If your buying an $8,500 bike, or more so the s-works - you are probably of the “time is money” mindset. Plus anyone fast enough to take advantage of the s-works is a pro and getting the bike as a sponsor. Purely a halo product like an exotic sports car that will never be on a track.
$5000 dollar part difference if anyone wants to know what it all added up to. Cool bikes but s-works ain't worth it unless you are a pro or rich enthusiast. I'd love to see the mid tier frame with some craft racing wheels, budget carbon bar/stem and maybe a 105 di2 and see what price and weight you can get. The poor man's s-works build.
yes ur videos are the best....i love how u compare the different bikes too....im just now getting back into cycling and after watching ur videos, today i bought a specialized mirror saddle.......keep making them please...thanks again@@GCPerformance18
As someone who has both 10 and 12r bikes (sadly, not the new sl8), I can 100% say the 12r is noticeably smoother. To continue the car analogy, it’s like comparing a Benz to a Bentley but there is a feeling that makes that 12r worth it. Personally, I’d customize the build but def go with the s-works.
Thanks for clarifying this. A few of us were wondering if there really is a difference in stiffness and ride quality between the S works and the regular 10R frames.
At the end of the day my Canyon Ultimate SL8 weighs the same as these two bikes and only cost me $2700 plus $368 for my carbon wheels on sale so $3,068 to get a bike that is just as light and aero for racing. So I saved over $5,000 compared to even the lower end of these two models.
You know the Canyon Ultimate is not aero at all, right? Someone here (I think Dave Arthur) tested it, and it was even less aero than the Giant TCR despite the Giant not having integrated cables.
@@theflyingmozart I think David Arthur found an average difference of 7 W at 40 kph, showing the TCR was faster. Being pedantic, he said he kept a similar position but the Ultimate in that test had a clearly shorter stem (he was more cramped up). Either way, it's a handful of watts. I don't think the Ultimate is super-aero, but it's not a bus either. Compared to the Tarmac, the many thousands in price difference is really the issue. I'm sure there are people racing at a level where the speed difference is worth it, that cost:benefit ratio will vary for people.
Can please someone explain me how a S-Works SL8 in size 49 with the Sram Red Groupset weighs 6,79 kg and a S-Works SL8 with Dura Ace in size 56 should weigh 6,6 kg (Claims from Specialized). I don't get it. It's the same Bike besides the size and the Groupset. The SL8 in 56 should weigh at least 200 - 400 Grams more and not less as the size 49 SL8.
That red sworks has a lot of paint on there. You would be surprised how much of a difference in gloss paint to matte paint makes it. Also duraace is lighter then sram
Could you tell me the drop difference between the roval cockpit and the sl7 stem combo. The roval says -6 and the sl7 stem says 6 however im not sure what that equates to in drop.
Wait, wait, wait..what happened to the SL pro model coming w the pro saddle that had the carbon shell body like the s-works version but only w ti rails??? Why are they coming w the expert saddle ?
Just built a Time ADH 01 with Campy Record 12 and Farsports DT 350 CX Ray wheels for 5k. Everything brand new. Or I coulda got the S works for almost 10k more? 🤷🏽♂️
@@Pablo_Coach yep. It’s a solid race bike. For pure racing I liked the Scylon slightly better, the layup and tube shapes are a little different. ADH is very stiff. But, the ride quality feels like my steel bike (Columbus Cento Omnicron tubing) but much more snappy and quicker responding. That’s probably just as it’s lighter. Side note: if you’re riding slow on flat ground, under around 25kph, the handling feels a little sluggish. But, at speed and on descents, it’s great! On climbing you don’t notice the slower handling. It’s a bike that disappears and you don’t think about it. It just does what you want. The rear wheel is tucked under you so steering is more from the hips and core. Very stable, plush ride, zero flex. It’s great. If you can find one in your size, get it!
@_slowpoke yes indeed..the older c38s used to come with the 350 hub..the newer c38s come with the modified 370 hub which is similar to the 350..both are reliable hubs..
Is there a method to the madness of the placement of the specialized logos? I see some frames where a logo is only on the down tube but others where they are plastered on the fork, seat tube, and chain stays as well which take away from the look and make the frame look like a billboard.
really?? that is the first time I heard this, I nknow the layup is different and some may say the sworks bikes have this snap to them but I have not heard wooden before
@GCPerformance18 only compared to the s works, I don't think it's only down to the frame, it's the total sum parts, for instance the all carbon cockpit on the s works, on the pro it's interrupted by an alloy stem, same with the seat rails , etc
Sram should just ship red with the new force shifters. They are lighter and more pleasing to look at and use 😅 how about this. Build one for yourself. Pro frame, force with red cassette, crw wheels etc
yea I am kind of disappointed with this launch for sram, it should honestly be cheaper, people are waiitng for something new and this sram red has been in rotation now for some time
A 9k race bike probably is already a Gucci belt. The posher 15k Bike is more like a vintage reserva special limited edition Gucci belt with a collectors thingaling certificate etc. - imho the option of swapping out parts, possibility to upgrade stuff afterwards AND get a nicer individually fitted cockpit if needed is more than enough and definitely is ONE of a real world riders´s choose. PRO RIDERS are not made of basic human material :)
How can two consecutive generation of the same model can look so appealing/non-appealing, it is mindblowing. It is very nice to have SWorks Dura Ace but totally not a must have.
@@GCPerformance18 th-cam.com/video/XjpGL-iFAyY/w-d-xo.html You did a video on having a tier system with S-works. Using an S-works frame but with individual parts added, which makes it cheaper overall. Is something like this still relevant do you think?
I'll put it like a man I knew who was invited to Team USA cycling for the Olympics (unfortunately it was when we boycotted because it was in Russia so he never got to go). Dropping 100g from your bike or shaving your legs or any of the other insane things cyclists do is not at all important. Then one day you go to a race and some dude beats you by a quarter of a second. No biggie - but then the next race same dude beats you by the same quarter of a second. And the next race. Eventually you do everything possible to squeeze those quarter seconds off. The S-Works is one of those things you can do. Insanely expensive, but maybe this time you beat that other dude instead of losing to him. I'll take the Pro, but then I've never been competitive.
@@GCPerformance18 yes the Scott is still crushing the hills. Amazingly versatile , exceptional climber , and fast with the Princeton wheels. Scott doesn’t get the coverage/respect it deserves in my opinion.
these prices are just plain stupid .... I bought used S-works Tarmac SL6 (dura-ace di2), CLX32 wheels, for ~2500 eur. it's ok. di2 is a bit annoing, the rest is amazing. but how on earth someone paid for it 10k ???
I would take updated SRAM Force over old ass SRAM Red any day. The only reason they haven't released an update to RED yet is because there is overwhelming supply of it out there. "Here's a 14k, state of the art bike with a decrepit groupset". Yea, no thanks pal. Shimano > anyway
The new one-piece Roval bar does NOT work well with Garmin Units. You can see the flawed design compared to the older bar set up. There is zero tilt of the garmin mount compared to the old Roval bar. This leaves a terrible glare on your Garmin unit when you're seated back in the saddle
It's the same thing with the aethos pro and the s-works ... sure i preferd the s-works sl8 the cockpit it's better and the wheels are better and groupe set Sram Red it's better but ! For amateurs like us the pro it's better for the price. I have a Aethos pro and it's pretty good i put à pair of Roval rapide clx it's fast enough 😊
Amazing video as always bro!!! Now, some say the 2020 SWorks Venge is the best aero frame “ever built”, its fast and you can climb with it, the only missing upgrade to the Venge would be the new one piece roval handlebar and basically you have a “rocketship” as a bike, your thoughts? Cheers 🤙🏼🍻
Just thinking they marketed the sl8 at being faster than the sl7 but a lot of the difference was the handlebar. With the pro not coming that that handlebar could that be seen as false advertising? I do find it ironic how it is called the pro but no pro will use that bike. At the end of the day the price difference is what it is, if you can afford it s works all the way. People like their posh belts 😅
Sworks is good but 40% more is a lot. In reality it should be a totally different bike but I don’t think anybody believes it to be. Another middle option is to buy an sworks frameset for the logo 😂 and put on some ‘cheaper’ components to get a middle ground without paying 14000.
$5500 for 580 grams difference??? Idc if you're filthy rich, but if you buy the s-works variant and you're not a professional racer, you're DELUSIONAL. Just go donate the $5500 to charity or some sort. Also, $8500 and you're only getting a DT 350 hubs??? Broooooo
36tooth ratchet on a 2800 "top tier" wheel? LOL. Bruv, I just bought a brand new 500eur DT Swiss ER 1400 wheel set which comes with 240's hubs, 36 ratchet, bladed spokes and both wheels weigh 1450 together (spec says 1493). Aluminium spokes piss all over carbon in terms of ride quality. And in case I hit something chances of scraping the wheels are minimal.
CUT THE TOTAL BS YES THE BS i or you can build a total copy of either bikes in weight and preformance for under $4000.the rest is hype and BS nothing else .
I know!!! they use to have them really close in price but then they had a lack of sales for pro because the people who had 10k for a pro usually had 12k for an sworks and the pro models would not be sold, now this model is huge difference in price and now makes the sworks a more exclusive club
Bladed vs non-bladed spokes as a differentiator is a complete joke at any price point of a 1k+ USD performance wheelset. Either the performance matters, and both wheelsets should have them, or it doesn't matter, and they should not.
It is a Team Replica. It is a Team Replica. It is a Team Replica. It is a Team Replica. It is a Team Replica. It is a Team Replica. It is a Team Replica.
I don't really even want an S-Works for even 4 grand. I would happily pay 3k but no way am I spending 8k for something over 16 lbs. I hear the Chinese economy is horrible right now. Not sure I want a cheap frame from them either though so I'm looking at Taiwan manufactured bikes. The other thing about used though too is you don't know if the bike has been left in a hot car that could weaken the resin and joints if they ride it without letting it cool down so I'm very cautious when looking at places like TPC. Hoping prices drop soon.
COME ON . U R WEIGHED THEM WITHOUT PEDALS . RIDICULOUS. SORRY . MY SL8 SWORKS WITH TIME XPRO 15 PEDALS , TITANIUM OSPW , BOTTLE CAGES & 1ST EDITION 51/60 ROVAL RAPIDE CLX WHEELSETS WAIT 4 IT ... 6.72 Kilos in a size 54cm with Roval Rapide 40cm Full Carbon Cockpit in the Brushed Red Looks Fantastic.
If you ride at S works level and you're not being sponsored you're doing it wrong. If you have S works money just get the pro and donate the rest to charity man.
LoL.....For 1000 dollars more you can buy the Pro and Expert model. How dumb does one have to be to think that such a price difference is justified. S-Works 6.69 Kg, Pro 7.37 Kg ant the Expert 7.77 Kg.
Would you buy an sworks? Or would you get a pro and a nice vacation??
The pro, and then fly to Spain with the bike.
I would just get a laser cut SWORKS sticker and slap that on a used Giant.
Neither
Get the Pro and use the left over money for other bike accessories
Gimme the Pro and I’ll take extra $$$ to invest.
Break it down for you:
S-Works = Conspicuous display of wealth.
.For Rolex watch knobs
Ya making me laugh hard bruv 🤣😂😅 as its not as bad or has hard as you think as for someone like me & the position i have especially in my latter years that i have over the years in working & saving hard i haveva nice bundle in desposable funds ( sshhhh, don't tell the wife 🤭 ) that if i truly want can buy a top flight £12,14,16k "Super Road Bike" from any of our top mainstream bike manufacturers but he'll to the NO why would anyone of us do that...., build your own for roughly £6.5k max to your own body spec like i have that will be 100% better than any mainstream bullshit rip off high street production rip offs from any of our top main 5 bike manufacturers....!!!
At my level of group riding I am not interested in "aero gains"or "weight savings." The SL8 to me is one of the
the most unattractive bikes ever made while the SL7 is remains one of the most attractive. I can always lose a little weight and practice a better arrow position, but I will only get uglier as I age!
I just bought one of the last available S- Works SL7 in red , satin black, fade. A very pretty bike indeed. I am very happy.
Agreed. SL7 looks really premium. These clowns are crying over the "speed sniffer". They just copied the Emonda lmao
That doesn't make any sense. How can a bike, so similar, be the most unattractive, while the other is the most attractive...
Id probably get the s works. Im an older fella and dont have a lot of time left. So i want to go out with a Gucci belt 👍
Prob looks 50 max 😂😂😂 nice reasoning tho
We only live once, I agree with you sir. 😊
@@bioches smoke and mirrors my freind, but thanks for the compliment 👍
I paid around 1500$ for a set of handbuilt carbon wheels, with Duke 48 mm rims and aero spokes . So I would go with the pro.
Excessive shaking is a sign of too much flapping
Looking at the price of the frame alone, wouldn't it be cheaper to buy a frame and build up with top tier groupset and wheels? Looking at prices in Auatralia it works out several grand cheaper than buying the whole package. What am I missing?
Nothing, this point was raised by Peak Torque on the Nero Cycle show. Bike companies are ripping off people.
If your buying an $8,500 bike, or more so the s-works - you are probably of the “time is money” mindset. Plus anyone fast enough to take advantage of the s-works is a pro and getting the bike as a sponsor. Purely a halo product like an exotic sports car that will never be on a track.
I don’t need captions, thankfully, but I appreciate you adding them in for the people that do
Average buyer of S-Works is the target of these subtitles... 🤣
GC talks very fast sometimes and slurs words together. I 'd think a non native speaker may appreciate the subtitles. No shade.
$5000 dollar part difference if anyone wants to know what it all added up to.
Cool bikes but s-works ain't worth it unless you are a pro or rich enthusiast.
I'd love to see the mid tier frame with some craft racing wheels, budget carbon bar/stem and maybe a 105 di2 and see what price and weight you can get. The poor man's s-works build.
ur videos are so so good...and thanks for always showing the weights too...keep up the great work
you have no idea, how much that means to me right now :) thank you so much have a great night
yes ur videos are the best....i love how u compare the different bikes too....im just now getting back into cycling and after watching ur videos, today i bought a specialized mirror saddle.......keep making them please...thanks again@@GCPerformance18
The only thing I really wanna know is if a racer can feel any difference in bb stiffness and overall compliance
As someone who has both 10 and 12r bikes (sadly, not the new sl8), I can 100% say the 12r is noticeably smoother. To continue the car analogy, it’s like comparing a Benz to a Bentley but there is a feeling that makes that 12r worth it. Personally, I’d customize the build but def go with the s-works.
very very nice take
which bike?
Thanks for clarifying this. A few of us were wondering if there really is a difference in stiffness and ride quality between the S works and the regular 10R frames.
@@duffyrides yep, there is a noticeable difference in their feel.
placebo effect is strong
I wonder if instead of the revolve one piece bar/stem add a ENVE integrated bar /stem and ENVE 4.5 wheelset but built with dura ace di2
At the end of the day my Canyon Ultimate SL8 weighs the same as these two bikes and only cost me $2700 plus $368 for my carbon wheels on sale so $3,068 to get a bike that is just as light and aero for racing. So I saved over $5,000 compared to even the lower end of these two models.
You know the Canyon Ultimate is not aero at all, right? Someone here (I think Dave Arthur) tested it, and it was even less aero than the Giant TCR despite the Giant not having integrated cables.
@@theflyingmozartdave arthur😂 he is a shill
It is less aero and doesn’t have disc and electronic shifting.
@@theflyingmozart I think David Arthur found an average difference of 7 W at 40 kph, showing the TCR was faster. Being pedantic, he said he kept a similar position but the Ultimate in that test had a clearly shorter stem (he was more cramped up). Either way, it's a handful of watts.
I don't think the Ultimate is super-aero, but it's not a bus either. Compared to the Tarmac, the many thousands in price difference is really the issue. I'm sure there are people racing at a level where the speed difference is worth it, that cost:benefit ratio will vary for people.
That’s like comparing Civic to Ferrari lol
Can please someone explain me how a S-Works SL8 in size 49 with the Sram Red Groupset weighs 6,79 kg and a S-Works SL8 with Dura Ace in size 56 should weigh 6,6 kg (Claims from Specialized). I don't get it. It's the same Bike besides the size and the Groupset. The SL8 in 56 should weigh at least 200 - 400 Grams more and not less as the size 49 SL8.
That red sworks has a lot of paint on there. You would be surprised how much of a difference in gloss paint to matte paint makes it. Also duraace is lighter then sram
Thanks, who would have thought that the color choice would make such a differnce😅. Have a nice one@@GCPerformance18
Could you tell me the drop difference between the roval cockpit and the sl7 stem combo. The roval says -6 and the sl7 stem says 6 however im not sure what that equates to in drop.
the sl7 is also -6 stock, they are both the same
Wait, wait, wait..what happened to the SL pro model coming w the pro saddle that had the carbon shell body like the s-works version but only w ti rails??? Why are they coming w the expert saddle ?
shysters be shystin, grifters be griftin
5500€ de diferencia 😮😮.....por un kilo???? Nos estamos volviendo locos, lo único que me puedo permitir sworks son las zapatillas 😂😂.
Just built a Time ADH 01 with Campy Record 12 and Farsports DT 350 CX Ray wheels for 5k. Everything brand new. Or I coulda got the S works for almost 10k more? 🤷🏽♂️
Campy mech or EPS ?
@@Pablo_Coach mech. I like the action of campy mech. 🤙🏽
@@kalanihines Ok, understand. What about ADH on flat section? It’s fast? On hill climbs is fast and snappy i guess
@@Pablo_Coach yep. It’s a solid race bike. For pure racing I liked the Scylon slightly better, the layup and tube shapes are a little different. ADH is very stiff. But, the ride quality feels like my steel bike (Columbus Cento Omnicron tubing) but much more snappy and quicker responding. That’s probably just as it’s lighter. Side note: if you’re riding slow on flat ground, under around 25kph, the handling feels a little sluggish. But, at speed and on descents, it’s great! On climbing you don’t notice the slower handling. It’s a bike that disappears and you don’t think about it. It just does what you want. The rear wheel is tucked under you so steering is more from the hips and core. Very stable, plush ride, zero flex. It’s great. If you can find one in your size, get it!
@@kalanihines thanks for reply! I’m waiting for premiere of new 2024 Time Scylon
Buy the Sworks frame and put Rival on it. Maybe the Force rear D for the Orbit clutch.
The SRAM Red build is actually not the lightest config, it's heavier than the Dura Ace build of the exact same bike.
yes of course, but this is compared sram to sram
I'll pick any. But I need one sooooooo bad 😢
That pro is already a beast. Might upgrade the bar.
Put RED crankarms + RED cassette = ~300g saved
I think the CL2 wheels come w a 36t ratchet now...the CL1 wheels came w a 18t ratchet a few years ago..
ahhh thank you for that
@_slowpoke yes indeed..the older c38s used to come with the 350 hub..the newer c38s come with the modified 370 hub which is similar to the 350..both are reliable hubs..
Is there a method to the madness of the placement of the specialized logos? I see some frames where a logo is only on the down tube but others where they are plastered on the fork, seat tube, and chain stays as well which take away from the look and make the frame look like a billboard.
So which one of these exotic bikes are faster as both claim 16s over sl7 ?
I own both, to be honest they feel very different ,my s works has me with a permanent smile on my face, my pro feels functional and a little wooden
really?? that is the first time I heard this, I nknow the layup is different and some may say the sworks bikes have this snap to them but I have not heard wooden before
@GCPerformance18 only compared to the s works, I don't think it's only down to the frame, it's the total sum parts, for instance the all carbon cockpit on the s works, on the pro it's interrupted by an alloy stem, same with the seat rails , etc
@@GCPerformance18I heard that pros using 10r layup frames with s-works stickers because of lack of stiffness on 12r layup frames…
Sram should just ship red with the new force shifters. They are lighter and more pleasing to look at and use 😅 how about this. Build one for yourself. Pro frame, force with red cassette, crw wheels etc
yea I am kind of disappointed with this launch for sram, it should honestly be cheaper, people are waiitng for something new and this sram red has been in rotation now for some time
that‘s exactly my new build 👍🏻
SRAM crank as well.
A 9k race bike probably is already a Gucci belt. The posher 15k Bike is more like a vintage reserva special limited edition Gucci belt with a collectors thingaling certificate etc. - imho the option of swapping out parts, possibility to upgrade stuff afterwards AND get a nicer individually fitted cockpit if needed is more than enough and definitely is ONE of a real world riders´s choose. PRO RIDERS are not made of basic human material :)
Wait, what? I can still get dropped from a group ride with the SWORKS SL8? Dapn
How can two consecutive generation of the same model can look so appealing/non-appealing, it is mindblowing.
It is very nice to have SWorks Dura Ace but totally not a must have.
My scott addict rc after little upgrades is 7kg in size 58. For half the price
as long as you are happy at the end of the day that is all thatters lol
Hi, Is it possible to use that plastic new - Compression ring from SL8 to SL7? thanks
Can you do another. Top tier frame with a slightly less premium Groupset and wheels?
what do you mean?
@@GCPerformance18 th-cam.com/video/XjpGL-iFAyY/w-d-xo.html
You did a video on having a tier system with S-works. Using an S-works frame but with individual parts added, which makes it cheaper overall. Is something like this still relevant do you think?
What cheaper upgrades could you do to get the cheaper bike lighter?
tpu tubes and lighter cassette, everythinng else your paying good money for lightweight but that weight is not bad for 50mm carbon wheels
My bad you also stated in the video the cassette etc...Keep up the excellent work@@GCPerformance18
Nice to see the comparison. Great video
Does the tarmac Also have ceramic bearings in the wheel like the s works? Great video❤
have you weighed the bikes with pedals and bottle cages?
Oh boy oh boy can’t wait to find someone dream build in a size 54 with full DA 12 sp in 8 years from now! 🤪
I'll put it like a man I knew who was invited to Team USA cycling for the Olympics (unfortunately it was when we boycotted because it was in Russia so he never got to go). Dropping 100g from your bike or shaving your legs or any of the other insane things cyclists do is not at all important. Then one day you go to a race and some dude beats you by a quarter of a second. No biggie - but then the next race same dude beats you by the same quarter of a second. And the next race. Eventually you do everything possible to squeeze those quarter seconds off. The S-Works is one of those things you can do. Insanely expensive, but maybe this time you beat that other dude instead of losing to him. I'll take the Pro, but then I've never been competitive.
Awesome video as always 👍
Thank you! Cheers! I appreciate you, you still got the scott?
@@GCPerformance18 yes the Scott is still crushing the hills. Amazingly versatile , exceptional climber , and fast with the Princeton wheels. Scott doesn’t get the coverage/respect it deserves in my opinion.
The vid i wanted, thanks!
you are welcome!!!
I build a S Works, but with the Force Group and no Roval wheels. 7500€
these prices are just plain stupid ....
I bought used S-works Tarmac SL6 (dura-ace di2), CLX32 wheels, for ~2500 eur. it's ok. di2 is a bit annoing, the rest is amazing. but how on earth someone paid for it 10k ???
prices are expensive but this is the market for these bikes
Tengo la specialized tarmac sl8 pro y es espectacular 👌
I would take updated SRAM Force over old ass SRAM Red any day. The only reason they haven't released an update to RED yet is because there is overwhelming supply of it out there. "Here's a 14k, state of the art bike with a decrepit groupset". Yea, no thanks pal. Shimano > anyway
Hey GC, I think you're onto something here. Bike weights should be measured in 'SHAKES'. The new measurement will be called the 'GC Shake'.
Sworks rich flex❤❤❤
The new one-piece Roval bar does NOT work well with Garmin Units. You can see the flawed design compared to the older bar set up. There is zero tilt of the garmin mount compared to the old Roval bar. This leaves a terrible glare on your Garmin unit when you're seated back in the saddle
The out-front mount itself doesn't have a slot for tilt adjustment. On one-piece cockpits, the adjustments points are on the out-front mount itself.
说得好，但我选择二手的SL7🤪
wtf
It's the same thing with the aethos pro and the s-works ... sure i preferd the s-works sl8 the cockpit it's better and the wheels are better and groupe set Sram Red it's better but ! For amateurs like us the pro it's better for the price. I have a Aethos pro and it's pretty good i put à pair of Roval rapide clx it's fast enough 😊
So the real question is, ‘All other things being equal, would I pay $2000 dollars more for the S-Works frame?’ The answer is ‘No’.
thats what it comes down too, is it worth it to "you" to some people it is, to alot it is not
Round spokes on a aerowheelset is beyond stupid and is the only reason I will probably get a frameset instead
Amazing video as always bro!!! Now, some say the 2020 SWorks Venge is the best aero frame “ever built”, its fast and you can climb with it, the only missing upgrade to the Venge would be the new one piece roval handlebar and basically you have a “rocketship” as a bike, your thoughts? Cheers 🤙🏼🍻
Know what, ive changed my mind. I want what this guys talking about. Thats a great freakn idea 👍
Just thinking they marketed the sl8 at being faster than the sl7 but a lot of the difference was the handlebar. With the pro not coming that that handlebar could that be seen as false advertising? I do find it ironic how it is called the pro but no pro will use that bike.
At the end of the day the price difference is what it is, if you can afford it s works all the way. People like their posh belts 😅
Not having a top saddle on 14k bike is a disgrace:)
I think it did
@@GCPerformance18 it was not 3D printed evo saddle:) And, surprisingly, it probably would be only expensive part in bike really worth its money:)
If we are talking about budget parts in a 8500 bike we have certainly lost it a bit don’t you think?
Sworks is good but 40% more is a lot. In reality it should be a totally different bike but I don’t think anybody believes it to be. Another middle option is to buy an sworks frameset for the logo 😂 and put on some ‘cheaper’ components to get a middle ground without paying 14000.
$5500 for 580 grams difference??? Idc if you're filthy rich, but if you buy the s-works variant and you're not a professional racer, you're DELUSIONAL. Just go donate the $5500 to charity or some sort.
Also, $8500 and you're only getting a DT 350 hubs??? Broooooo
My local Specialized dealer has sold every S-Works SL-8 that he's gotten in.
same here
36tooth ratchet on a 2800 "top tier" wheel? LOL. Bruv, I just bought a brand new 500eur DT Swiss ER 1400 wheel set which comes with 240's hubs, 36 ratchet, bladed spokes and both wheels weigh 1450 together (spec says 1493). Aluminium spokes piss all over carbon in terms of ride quality. And in case I hit something chances of scraping the wheels are minimal.
I’ll take two Pros over the Sworks, easy choice
Those bladed spokes will creak
Durianrider loves his SL8 S-works!
CUT THE TOTAL BS YES THE BS i or you can build a total copy of either bikes in weight and preformance for under $4000.the rest is hype and BS nothing else .
the price jump is crazy
I know!!! they use to have them really close in price but then they had a lack of sales for pro because the people who had 10k for a pro usually had 12k for an sworks and the pro models would not be sold, now this model is huge difference in price and now makes the sworks a more exclusive club
I’m not shaking your shaking 😂😂😂😂😂
hahahaha
Yes, you can.
I a poor boy now.😂❤
lol
roval hubs are all dt swiss 350. FACT. 180 my A 🤣🤣🤣 source, Im a factory worker in DT swiss taiwan that makes that "roval" hub
yes I said that, roval hubs are dt swiss internals, they do not hide this informtaion
I would like to say it is more like A5 Wagyu beef vs. U.S. Prime beef.😂
For 8500k they slapped on a spacer/stem/bar combo that OBVIOUSLY does not visually fit on the bike 😂😂😂 WTF 💀
Buy the PRO, sell the wheels right away and buy some carbon spokes wheels and get a new one piece handlebar. Boom!
hell yea
Bladed vs non-bladed spokes as a differentiator is a complete joke at any price point of a 1k+ USD performance wheelset. Either the performance matters, and both wheelsets should have them, or it doesn't matter, and they should not.
i put a like for the *sniff subtitles
My editor would be proud
$ is for $-Works!
Id buy a cervelo s5.... i did buy a cervelo s5
lmfao I like the confirmation after
I could spend $14k, but why? I feel like it would be throwing $5.5k out the window since I do not race bikes.
same
💥💥💥$5,500 difference 💥💥💥 🧐
Even if the specs are the same, people are willing to pay for the S-works slapped on their bike
yea this is the truth
It is a Team Replica.
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It is a Team Replica.
I love the AERO claims and i've seem clients when i worked at Specialized letting the decal on the rim.
Both bikes need 54T :)
I can't even afford the $5500 difference
I don't really even want an S-Works for even 4 grand. I would happily pay 3k but no way am I spending 8k for something over 16 lbs. I hear the Chinese economy is horrible right now. Not sure I want a cheap frame from them either though so I'm looking at Taiwan manufactured bikes. The other thing about used though too is you don't know if the bike has been left in a hot car that could weaken the resin and joints if they ride it without letting it cool down so I'm very cautious when looking at places like TPC. Hoping prices drop soon.
It is NOT going to get hot enough in a car to weaken the resin. Myth...
Trigon is an OEM frame maker now selling complete bikes direct to consumers.
@@larrymcgoldrick3471 for real lmfao........ i've never heard of a specialized bike doing this
@@devdroid9606 ugly ass bikes with bad pricing AND no rep...
@charlesmansplaining How many melted carbon rim brake wheels have you seen or heard of?
Dang this was a perfect video to leave my 10r and 12r comment 😅
hahahahahha I was waiting for it to be honest lol
For 99.9% of the population there would be no real difference on the road
Save your money, plus $14000 for a bike is nuts.
Made in China is the best in the business,Thats why its expensive.
Buy a pro, slap an Sworks sticker on it :)
This is the way lol
COME ON . U R WEIGHED THEM WITHOUT PEDALS .
RIDICULOUS. SORRY .
MY SL8 SWORKS WITH TIME XPRO 15 PEDALS , TITANIUM OSPW , BOTTLE CAGES & 1ST EDITION 51/60 ROVAL RAPIDE CLX WHEELSETS
WAIT 4 IT ... 6.72 Kilos in a size 54cm with Roval Rapide 40cm Full Carbon Cockpit in the Brushed Red
Looks Fantastic.
they are brand new bikes and pedals are different, they can chaneg the weight of a bike by half a pound depending on which model
If you ride at S works level and you're not being sponsored you're doing it wrong. If you have S works money just get the pro and donate the rest to charity man.
Not sure I'm digging the forced closed captions.
my friend made the video and i asked "why I needed subtitles?" as if my english is not good enough lol I dont think it will happen again
@gcperformance18 Lose the on screen captions. TH-cam English Auto Generated captions work well
Looks heavy for me...
Pro. 100%
pro is a hard deal not to pass up it is literally everything a sworks is
If bang for your buck is a thing, you wouldn’t buy a specialized at all. Rather go for a Canyon instead
As a broke neet, I take a big dump before cycling to save 2kilo on my $699 8.7kg bike. Easiest 6.7kg of my life😁
this is the way
Not gonna lie, a little disappointed in the weight:(
LoL.....For 1000 dollars more you can buy the Pro and Expert model. How dumb does one have to be to think that such a price difference is justified. S-Works 6.69 Kg, Pro 7.37 Kg ant the Expert 7.77 Kg.
repaint it. mid aged silverfox wont know
hahahaha this is ture
That good ol botty licking specialized paid for :D
no difference.