United Methodist Church Faces Schism Over LGBTQ Inclusion | The Week
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 มี.ค. 2021
- Senior Pastor Adam Hamilton joins Joshua Johnson to discuss how the rift over including LGBTQ Americans is dividing Methodists and what his congregation plans to do going forward.
With more Americans feeling overwhelmed by the volume and speed of news, on “The Week,” Joshua Johnson connects everyday people, newsmakers, and trailblazers for candid conversations about each week’s big stories, thinking through the challenges faced by all and prepping viewers for the days ahead.
Watch it on The Choice channel on Peacock TV, Fridays, 7 p.m. ET. Subscribe to this channel for more.
peacocktv.com
![ช่วยพาฉันผ่านเวลา - วสันต์17 [Official MV]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HFnntWoqc54/mqdefault.jpg)
We are all sinners but as I remember a man a namedJesus asked that we repent. Only by his grace are we saved.
True, but being lgbt isn't a sin.
@@mysticheathen3455 To deny your sins is to defy God. Acknowledge your sins, repent, and ask Him for forgiveness. The prince of the world has deceived you and will bring you to ruin.
@@Davidlovesbecky I have acknowledged my sins, but being lgbt isn't a sin. Clearly you haven't acknowledged your sins, though.
@@Davidlovesbecky nah, Satan has deceived you; not me. Your beliefs are a poison to the church and you will be uprooted.
You have no ears and you cannot hear, you have no eyes and you cannot see. To continue in sin is a personal choice. You have free will.
I pray that Rev. Hamilton will advocate that the Traditionalist/Conservative churches can separate without having to fight in court for their assets ... that he will support an amicable separation (the Protocol for Separation).
Honestly, amicable or not, maybe this is God's will. We need to be tried and tested. Traditional/Conservatives? The word is Christian, believing in Christ isn't enough, Satan believes. We have to live it, even if it means that we leave our church assets behind. Early Methodists in America held services under brush arbors. Walk away, we'll still have what's most important, OUR SOULS. "Go back and do your first works again".
@KANSAS Influence The assets are the main reason the woke crowd joined the churches, that and the fact that churches offer a megaphone type of spreading ideas. Not that churches weren't without issues in the past, but the rot is speeding up right now.
hard left ruins everything
Time to become a Southern Baptist
This is just absolutely sickening to listen to an ordained UMC Minister say these things and that an MSNBC commentator would kowtow to this sort of drivel. “The time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear” (2 Timothy 4:3)
Also, the departure is not primarily from the "conservatives". The departure is from Rev. Hamilton and those who seek to break with the historic teaching of the Unitied Methodist Church.
No, it's the conservatives that are leaving. They initiated it.
@@mysticheathen3455
The conservatives did not initiate disobedience to ordination vows.
@@ryankiblinger3382 they initiated the split
@@mysticheathen3455 this is false.
@@ryankiblinger3382 no it's not. They initiated it, but it is a mutual decision.
I'm glad this church leader is not a math's teacher.
God does not change
Roman's chp 1
Yup and God never said that being lgbt is a sin, that's a purposeful mistranslation.
Holiness Methodist churches separated from UMC years ago ! Primitive Methodist and others holiness Methodists went their separate ways.
This is a trustworthy saying: If anyone aspires to be an overseer, he desires a noble task. 2An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3not dependent on wine, not violent but gentle, peaceable, and free of the love of money.…
You can make up the rules as you go along but you will not be happy where you end up
Yep. God made the rules and He will enforce them. Repent and follow the Lord and the Word of God.
Amen.
Only if you make up the wrong rules, like religion has done.
@Jennifer Seay
Religion is DELUSION!!
Good one.
Our small Methodist Church where I was raised, raised my daughter and still attend with her somewhat regularly gives me a sense of a second extended family that I'm as close to as my own family voted on this issue. Split was so close but they voted to remain traditional by a tiny margin.
My 80 year old father explained it best I believe...he earned his doctorate and masters in Educational Leadership and was a professor and chair of the local University department for 50 years. He stuck to practical logic and removed the emotional element, fervent beliefs, dogma from the equation, he said. "We (Methodists) must be willing to adjust to societal changes, progress and be open to inclusion of all people, their ideas, ideals and lifestyles who wish to worship. If we reject progress and remain intolerant of others especially, the younger generations we not only dishonor Christ but we will destroy our own church hurting our denomination. The churches that refuse to change will 100% crumble and die along with it's old intoletable members of congregations set in their ways. We must break away from this notion of intolerance and open up to inclusion of all people, their ideas, alternative lifestyle thats no longer alernative in this day and age. We must open pur doors, invite, do outreach to invite and welcome others, LGBTQ, younger generations who worship Christ or may be interested in Christ's teachings and pray for them to join us in worship and allow others to teach us and learn. The old timers or closeminded bigots refusing to change would soon just have the church die along with them rather than entertain the thought of something different. And if that's not the most immoral, sinful act by so called Christians, I don't know what is. It's more likely than not that The Methodist Church (along with other denominations) will die if it does not decide to keep up with change, modernize alonside pace of society and be open to progressive beliefs no matter how uncomfortable it may be at first."
I thought that was the most simple and compelling statement about the issue but he now chooses to spend him Sundays mornings at home enjoying his new retirement.
Id say the only exception to the threat of churches declining that remain set in their old ways is the Catholic Church due to their sheer power and existence throughout the world. The Catholics intolerance is probably by far the most extreme but they do a ton good works and outreach for the less fortunate and the poor. So i won't get started on them today.
"Pastor" Hamilton doesn't care about truth and the Truth any longer. This is so sad. Jesus doesn't forgive us of our sins so that we can wallow in them and just stay in the mud. Once you are saved, you are to go and sin no more. It's really clear. Don't listen to this wolf in sheep's clothing "pastor".
Astonishing how brilliance and understanding has suddenly emerged over last 20 years when, for thousands of years, our forbearers languished in ignorance. We understand justice . . . they didn't. We understand mercy . . . they didn't. We understand sex . . . and how . . . and they never did. How temporally lovely it must be to rest in confident self-righteousness.
ouch. but its true.
Whether you like it or not, times change and so does man's concept of God. Although you don't agree, primitive man certainly languished in more ignorance than does modern man. A Hallmark of evolution is from the simple to a grasp of the more complex; from the brutal to the gentler; from sheer instinctual feelings to logic and reason; and yes, from ignorance to knowledge. They understood that it was fine to brutally kill your daughter for having sex before marriage, we don't.Since you think the old ways were better, do you think we should revive the law that called for that? One would have to be insane to conclude that everything in the Bible is true and inspired of any God that isn't a monster. Almost literally all the anti-gay bias in the Bible derives from 1. the imperfect lawgiver (and murderer) Moses and from 2.the ambitious opportunist Saul/Paul. The former, like many ancient Hebrew writers, was primarily interested in building up a large and powerful nation - one that could kill and subjugate other tribes in the area.He knew that his people needed to be as fruitful as possible; and that anything that was not conducive to marrying and producing children was to be forbidden. Obviously, this would include same sex relationships. There was no compassion present, no understanding that gays were people with hearts and minds, no understanding at all, that has since evolved among mankind. In the case of Saul/Paul, he clearly had some very messed up views about sex and about men and women's relationships, such as that it is better for them not to marry. So it's not surprising that his views towards gay people were equally skewed. But since there was still little reason or humanity in most of the race at that time, his brutal condemnation of innocent people was accepted. You may call today's more reasonable and humane views, "confident self righteousness." That's what I call the brutal ignorance of our primitive ancestors.
@@rogerwhite95 My atheist friends make similar arguments, albeit with substantially better grasp of history and literature. I respect their views; they are entitled to believe anything they wish. Most contend that Moshe never existed, that Biblical accounts reflect nothing more than uncivilized Bronze Age mores, that Christianity was propagated near exclusively by Saul of Tarsus, and that there is nothing more than the here and now. However, the notion that 20th and 21st century humans have reached an elevated state of the "gentler," the compassionate, or the "reasonable and humane" is given lie by the horrors of atheism; brought to bear on majority of human beings then in Europe and Asia. Dead bodies - some in graves but most not - serve as silent witness. Do you really understand what "brutal" is? That this "Christian" pastor feels free to discard Scripture, to embrace your proclamation of evolutionary progress, and to wallow in his own self-righteousness is . . . well, someone else can supply the appropriate adjective.
@@billblessing6454 based
One wonders, why there are still people on Earth, when our forbearers were ignorant about sex.
As far as those unwoke remaining in the church that allows woke stuff. They realize that will be used as a fig-leave and making the woke message more acceptable to Christians?!
So “bronze age” people had different sins? It’s not about welcoming people it’s about encouraging people to live a holy life. This preacher is failing in his calling.
For those who haven’t noticed, for the last 60 years this country has been headed in a direction of social decline in morals and mores evident in entertainment, schools, government, and social discourse in general. We would do well to remember we live in a fallen world. The founding fathers knew this and attempted to establish a country founded on Biblical principles. Those principles will never change….but the people will….and have.
Trying to be everything to everybody, you end up being nothing to nobody.
Ironically this is what the bible predicted would happen.
the final battle will be over marriage and the family. We are seeing it happen.
There is no question about inclusion of LGBTQi persons as congregants in the UMC. This is a misunderstanding of the current situation and the current position of the UMC.
We are not in conflict primarily because of 5 or 6 verses or passages in the Bible. The claim that 10-15% of churches will leave is also just baffling. Roughly 40% of our churches/members are in Africa. The majority of them will leave.
But at issue here are those like Rev. Hamilton who seem to not count members and churches if they aren't American.
Isn't it a bit presumptive for people to decide who God loves and accepts?
Absolutely!
God loves his creation unconditionally.
That means EVERYONE.
You can be a welcoming church to all of gods creatures but you can’t call yourself a church if you don’t believe in God’s word. We are all sinners and saved only by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. If you publicly demonstrate that not only you’re a sinner but you are committed to continue in sin, what would justify a Committed sinner to lead his/her congregation? You can be committed to the Lord or you can be committed to Satan, that’s a very simple choice. To be saved you make a commitment to try as best you can to live a life the Lord Jesus will value. Love God and all people before yourself. You can’t set yourself and your standards above God. When you are committed to sin your an instrument of evil.
The Bible will answer the questions concerning God .
Proverbs 6:16-19
God loves everyone. He also hates sin. The wages of sin is death
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. How does the The UMC interpret these verses?
This is the great falling away! As you see these things happen look up for your redemption draws near.
Laodicea.
8:42 white preacher telling African American host that Africa is 20 years behind the rest of the world
All I want is a church that still believes in the word of God. It's just that simple.
If you followed everything the Bible literally commanded you would be in jail in 2 seconds.
First, the Bible is not the word of God. Second, we do believe in the teachings of the Bible. The Bible doesn't teach that being lgbt is a sin. You just refuse to accept the fact that it was mistranslated.
Unfortunately it’s not that simple anymore!!
Time to become a Southern Baptist
Orthodoxy baby
The LGBTQ ppl have been around since the existence of PPL... I’ll
Be honest I have to slow him down or listen to him a few times... he dropped a lot of info too fast... I’m all about Gods Love and Mercy- But’s Love doesn’t stop when injustice makes ppl uncomfortable, especially when those ppl that injustice is thrust upon believe in the same Christian God.
I am tired of the Church propagating hate and shame in the name of Jesus.
When people start saying that sin is not sin but a normal way of life that shows we are not worshiping the same God. We are not living the Christian lifestyle.
I kinda wanted to use the word Sanctimonious in the reply... it’s a Badass word- don’t really hear it often.
People, in order to receive God's grace, must conform to God's standards. We do not dictate what standards that we will live by in order that he be our god. God's standards are written in the Bible, always have been. Eaternally. Even if they're taken out of the Book of Discipline. To believe otherwise is a creation's arrogance in the face of it's creator, and that is nothing less than the will of Satan.
@@danielhixson3717 I’m comfortable with being called a creation of satan. Shiiet. If disagreeing automatically makes me evil, then you win automatically. It’s not going to make me do evil; not unless evil actions push it. Historically righteousness has fathered a lot of evil.
This Pastor is a reprobate. But the good news is that Jesus Christ loves us and wants to save us from sin, which is why He calls us to repent. False teachers come with fine sounding rhetoric and mix up the language of the Gospel with open justifications for rebellion and sin
You know this man doesn't understand the issue when he says there are just six verses in dispute. No. The rules against sexual immorality permeate the Bible.
So do verses talking about men who had multiple concubines and rules for animal sacrifice.
@@radboston That is not correct. Yes there are prominent figures in the Bible who do have multiple wives, concubines etc. but the most authoritative scriptures (e.g. the ten commandments-thou shall not commit adulatory) have a constant theme of restricting sexual activity to one man and one woman who are husband and wife. When they had to decide what rule the gentiles should obey in the new testament the disciples specifically mentioned that sexual immorality was still banned.
@@richardjstuart3978 How do you decide which scriptures are more authoritative vs less authoritative?
@@mnguardianfan7128 You can start by looking at passages where God, Jesus, etc are telling you what the rules are vs reporting on actions by historic figures. Obviously David sending a man off to die is not meant to be an example of what we are to do. Jesus himself defines marriage. That's more authoritative than examples where someone has wives and concubines.
@@richardjstuart3978 I am not a Biblical scholar, but it seems to me that the Bible is not as cut and dried as it is often interpreted.
Honestly, it seems to me that the Bible is a Rorschach test and its interpretation is more a reflection of the reader.
Sounds to me that they are trying really really hard to be lukewarm at best
This question have been only asked to a large UMC church.
Our church us a small Church, rural churches will never have an opportunity to give a statement.
I think it is a different understanding of what is going on.
preach
Adam Hamilton has made a compromise with the world and against God. As Christians we are to love all and help sinners through there brokenness from sin which we all have even pastors. God speaks very plainly to his people about sexual sins and desires of the flesh and yes Jesus spoke about it to the listeners and Pharisees about Gods plan for marriage
With woman and man. Gods laws never change we have to leave our sinful desires and conform to Gods will for our lives and accept Jesus as Gods son and put all faith and trust in Him and repent of all our sins and not be fooled by The Devil. All Christians need to stay focused so God and not the world
So the change in traditional thought to a secular one falls into a 20 year time-frame? What of the 2000 plus years back to the birth of Jesus?
As to the question of picking and choosing what is right and wrong in the Bible in reference to slave and master, where did you ever read employee and employer language? Slavery has become a trigger word that brings up a negative reaction in connection to chains and whips. Maybe a closer look at the social structure of a more distant past would redefine the meaning. How do you think the person feels who cleans your toilet or the prostitute standing on the corner? You're saying the money is setting them free? That there are no chains keeping them tied to their social position? Don't we all declare God as Master and that we are his slaves? Feel free to change the meaning of your words but not the truth of God's morality.
One third of the churches ditched this denomination. Boy was this guy wrong.
What do people think is going to happen? Can't really get worse than the conduct of catholic priests for the past millennia
WOW!
I think anyone who wants to go to church should be welcomed. And let God do the judging. Haven't we all sinned and come short of the glory of God. But isn't it all about mercy and grace.
Duh. For the last 40 years.
Chirches have never rejected LGBTQ, etc. people, so long as they came they there seeking healing, acknowledging they had a problem. What that crowd today wants affirmation, acclamation, adoration.
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor [f]effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. 1 Corinthians 6 NASB 1995
This church is falling away just like the Episcopal and Lutheran Churches. Very sad an un-repentant sinner in an unholy same sex marriage can honestly believe they are qualified, per 1 Titus 3, to become a bishops, priest, and deacons and will teach other's their sin is OK. The bible is very clear about false teaching. Instead, these people should be in the congregation listening and learning and recognizing their sin. Stealing is a sin and everyone expects the theft to stop stealing, the murderer to stop murdering, and so on. Unfortunately, many churches like this probably DO NOT teach scripture pertaining to this sin, such as; 1 Corinthians 6:9, Romans 1:18-32.
Smooth move United Methodists.
Because of you I have up pork and found Allah. I will not subject myself to a church that hates me. Pastor from Kenya. I can’t find a reason to come back. God is one, not a trinity.
This is a wicked man. Revelation21:8 Revelation22:15. If we say we have fellowship with Him, but walk in darkness, we lie, we do not the truth.
@Kio Revana only a fool does not judge what is right vs. what is wrong. Jesus commanded us to judge, but to judge righteous judgment. Righteous judgment is judging according to what scripture says.
Conservatives can take the next step and fully embrace becoming Biblical Christians.
There are several verses in the Bible about homosexuality. None of them were mentioned in this video.
Looks to me that the church will be a vehicle for worship only. How can they be a teaching church when they have factions interpreting scripture differently. Also... Pastor Johnson: "I understand why you are leaving, but you are wrong. Don't let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you."
It’s over.
i find the issue with U methodest church since they were the ones who helped the black americans have voice as recognized fully human, fully american as an interesting development.
We are all sinners and Jesus told his brother James….. “ ya know Jimmy, when you break one law you break them all!” There are people who secretly think they qualify for heaven on their own merit
It's about marriage not merit
King James Version
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Adam Hamilton is just wrong.
It’s great that you are loving and fully inclusive of LBTQ people but are you calling them to repentance in the name of Jesus?
No they're not! They performing "gay" weddings, they are ordaining "gay" pastors, they are accepting the world's view on this topic and throwing Gods Word out. The bible tells us to repent of sin. Jesus told the woman to go and sin no more.
@@shawnsanders4056 being gay isn't a sin
@@mysticheathen3455 read the old testament and revelation in the new testament it's there
@@bionicwoman9884 is it though?
07:52 this will reveal more clearly a schism between those who believe The Bible is the revealed Word of God and who work to conform themselves to it whether or not they agree with it, and those who believe their independent moral agency and competence are adequate to choose within The Bible the parts they wish to accept or reject. Fundamentally it means whether we acknowledge God as Sovereign or we create Him in our own image by cherry picking His traits according to our preferences.
The pastor's references to slavery in The Bible unfortunately perpetuate confusion. Forced chattel slavery as practiced in the United States until the mid-19th century is prevented in the Old Testament law, with the death penalty for those who kidnap others and force them into slavery. The references to slavery which appear to endorse it are referring not to forced chattel slaves but to indentured servants, who entered into servitude voluntarily and who had specific rights set out in the Biblical law (Exodus 21). Arguing that Biblical acknowledgement and regulation of indentured servitude is the same as Biblical endorsement of chattel slavery, and therefore Biblical morals are untrustworthy on other subjects as well, is factually incorrect and leaves the Christian faith with no foundation outside of each individual's rationalizations.
So, do you accept the parts of the Bible about slavery ?
How about the parts about stoning unfaithful women but not men who were disowning their bastard children ?
What about the parts where God literally instructed his Cult to commit Genocide against the inhabitants of the Holy Land they were literally stealing from it's native inhabitants ?
Biblicists are the experts at cherry picking their religious beliefs.
1 Timothy 4:1. Now the Spirit speaketh expressly that in the latter times, some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of devils.
What makes a private association operating under American pagan and laxist laws the Church of God, anyway?
How sad that so many people have been deceived by Satan and thus are choosing their very sinful perverted feelings over the clear condemnation of such debauchery in the holy word of God. Just another sign of the shortness of time as we are told that some will depart from the faith.
LGB is not like the TQ+. We never insisted that other groups give up their separate spaces and change their language.
ROFL.
facts. i have no issue with gay and bi people. folks need to stop lumping you all together. no one is harmed by gay people, but the tq+ is most certainly having a negative impact on society. i can understand accepting gays/bi, but i do not think its a good idea to put God, Jesus, etc. behind this left wing gender ideology crap.
I don't believe God makes mistakes period And I don't believe that it is my place to judge. All churches should be open to every person no matter what their Viewpoint of their sexuality is. And I'm tired of seeing young people commit suicide because they cannot come out that they are gay in front of their religious parents
Actually if you read the Bible God does judge and does murder those He disagrees with.
@@stephenbeacham9717 the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy. God does not “murder.” It’s wrong and inaccurate theology.
Welcome them they must repent.
imagine no religion
It's easy, if you try.
@Muhammad Ali Clay Mao and Stalin de facto started their own religion
@Muhammad Ali Clay "religion is the people´s opiode" Marx
No need to imagine. Hell already exists. And even there, the devil knows God is real.
@@lisareed5669
No hell below us, above us only sky
The church is not a social club.
You can not look at science as your guide in biblical understanding. Science has become a god to man.
This Pastor makes to much money to buck the system....that is what he is all about
Jesus was extraordinarily comfortable with people who weren’t anything like Him.
He was comfortable with anyone because he is the Son of God. The embodiment of the Father, creator of everything we know and don't know. Sometimes you have to go into a bordello in order to save prostitutes from there own sin. Don't confuse his willingness to go amongst sinners with a condolence of that sin.
Yes but he gave them a new life and said go and sin no more. After meeting him they were not the same they were before.
With all due respect pastor: YOU of all people know (or should know) better. Perhaps you should re-read 2Tim 3 and 2Tim 4? You are literally leading people to Satan and eternal damnation. May God have mercy on your soul.
Do many people who attend these churches, commit sins that are an abomination to God. Why do they spend so much time focusing on just one?
The word of God.
You either preach it, enforce it and live by it, or you are not of God.
Clearly this, well I guess you call it a cult now, no longer serves or follows God.
LIVE AND LET LIVE PEOPLE!
God did give us a free will. But all choices have consequences.
this guy was deflecting and knows he is wrong.
Jesus talked about men born without their noodles! It’s in the Bible! So these men without noodles could not obey God ….. Be fruitful and multiply and Jesus did not condemn them!
If I read my Bible correctly, there is only one unforgivable sin. The various denominations seem to focus on one. They also seem to not put any focus on the other abominations written into the bible. Why?
Do you think men should be married to men in the church? Basically, should the church bless the marriage?
@@ateamx3573 does the church marry people every day who commit sins, that are listed in the bible as abominations. Do churches marry divorced people every day. Are you picking one, and no t the others. In the end personally, I think God will let those in his kingdom he wants.
@Todd Miller Matt 19: 4-5 God does not bring together Men with Men. Therefore, the Church can not. To pretend otherwise is just poor reading comprehension. So NO! you are not reading your Bible correctly sir.
@@ateamx3573 and I suppose you live your life a cording to everything the bible says. Therefore, you must not be a sinner, and better than everyone else, you judge.
@Todd Miller We try not to Sin we don't embrace our sin. And we don't ask others to sin.
The idea that Jesus is just some all-loving God who takes no regard of people’s wickedness is completely untrue and unbiblical.
In Psalm 5:5 clearly declares of God, “you hate all evildoers.” God commands us to: “do not devise evil in your hearts… for all these things I hate, declared the Lord.” As a follower of God, David boldly proclaimed
“I hate the assembly of evil doers.” The Lord commanded us through Amos, “Hate evil, and love good” (Amos 5:15).
For someone to truly follow after God, they must hate evil.
Proverbs 8:13 says, “the fear of the Lord is hatred of evil.”
Psalm 97:10 encourages us, “O you who love the Lord, hate evil!”
Psalm 15, says in verse 4
that the person who will dwell on God’s holy hill is the one “in whose eyes a vile person is despised.”
These verses do not tell us that we are to despise a vile person’s actions, while loving them;
we are to hate evil,
hate evildoers,
and fear God while hating what He hates.
When an innocent young girl is raped, we hate the rapist.
When a crowd of people are assassinated, we hate their murderer.
When a building is blown up, we hate the bombers, and those who convinced them they were doing the right thing.
When a politician prays to the true God of the Bible and a plethora of other 'gods' as well, we hate the assimilation of evil.
In these times those who lead are for the world and not for the people of God. They do it for politics not the lord, they do it for power, pride and greed, not for righteousness. The false profits are here now and preaching!
James 4:12. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy.
1 Corinthians 5:12-13
For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? God judges those outside.
“Purge the evil person from among you.”
Ezekiel 3:18-19
If I say to the wicked, “You shall surely die,” and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.
But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul.
Sin is not to be accepted or condoned. It is not to be normalized in society and a society the accepts sin as normalcy and protects it through equity is a nation that no longer trusts in god.
Do not become the pagan nations that your creator destroyed!
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.
Psalms:
125
I am your servant; give me discernment that I may understand your statutes.
126
It is time for you to act, LORD; your law is being broken.
127
Because I love your commands more than gold, more than pure gold,
128
and because I consider all your precepts right, I hate every wrong path.
Do not be bound together with unbelievers,” says Paul in 2 Corinthians 6:14
“for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness?
” Believers can and should relate to unbelievers' situations, but we must never emulate their lifestyles of separation from God
you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler.
Great reward and untold and unspeakable forgiveness is bestowed to those who can turn the wicked righteous
Matthew 10:22
You will be hated by all because of My name,
but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.
John 15:18
“If the world hates you,
you know that it has hated Me before it hated you.
James 4:4
You adulteresses, do you not know that friendship with the world is hostility toward God?
Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
No matter what our sin may be, the consequences are the same-separation from God.
When we repent and turn back to Him,
He forgives us and cleanses us from all unrighteousness
(1 John 1:9).
Repentance is not optional if we want to have a relationship with God.
In fact, it is the very first step in coming to faith in Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38).
Without repentance, there can be no forgiveness (Luke 13:3).
Hell has really broken loose.
Adam Hamilton sounds like a decent man but referring to the Old and New Testaments for clarification on LGBYQ issues is over 2000 years out of touch with reality.
The old and New Testament’s are timeless. They transcend time.
God created reality and he is outside of time. 2000 years does not change his word and the rules he gave us.
@@oneperson5760 Exactly. Remember it was Adam-and-Eve and not Adam and Steve.
Satan is a seducer and a great deceiver. Yes we are to love them, but not to accept or condone their sin, but rather to hear the Gospel, and the Word of God. To repent, or to change ones mind about their sin. Jesus said to the woman go and sin no more. This man is a false teacher! WOW! God set up what marriage is, which is between a man and a woman. The words that God "what God has joined together, let no man put assunder. That is not only talking about a specific couple it is also talking about the idea of marriage. True Christians need to RUN not walk from the UMC. Wow they are telling God he doesn't know what he is doing. Shame on the UMC.
that's it for Methodist church such a shame tho.
The sacrifice by Jesus of his own life is wasted when you continue to quote the Old Testament, at least for believers in Christ.
Without the OT, the NT has no meaning. Now, I'm an atheist, I think both are garbage and the jesus story is a myth. I was raised United Methodist, but when I was ten, I grew a bullshit meter, and it went off in church, and told me, THESE PEOPLE ARE ALL SMARMY LIARS! I was an instant atheist.
The OT has value. Jesus was a faithful Jew and HE quoted the OT.
@@oneperson5760 I don't disagree with that statement but it obviously was not working and needed an update. Hence the arrival of Jesus anđ a new way of looking at the world.
Was that a White Jesus?
You know. Whe common Northern European looking Jesus.
NOT AT ALL LIKE the brown skinned people born and actually looked like in in that day from that city???
Q. would the White Kings liked a religion that made them Kiss the Feet of a Brown Jesus?
So Jesus is White for white people... got it.. So Founded on a lie, you kiss his feet.. yuk.
The one with the actual same story of dying, coming back and going to heaven?
The story of OSIRIS, the ORIGINAL story, Proven written long before? And shows up in many religions? Over 32 religions actually.
Remember that for the kingdom of Brown heaven ruled by Brown Jesus... or will he be white? Just for you? Hmmm. Nope.
If this mans congregation is as welcoming as he says then I think this is some great news for the LGBTQ community. Progression and acceptance is such a beautiful thing. The synagogue by my house welcomes all and is a huge ally to the LGBTQ community in the area. I hope the church continues to move forward like this.
The United Methodist have been excepting of this sin for a long time. You can do whatever you want in that church, and still go to heaven. Alot of people in for a rude awaking when they leave this world.
You will not like the outcome
As in the days of Noah
The issue in the Methodist Church is not acceptance of homosexuality. The issue is allowing ministers who profess homosexuality is normal become ministers. It’s the church excepting gay marriage and performing gay marriages. It’s the church sitting against God. So it’s not that the church is angry at someone that’s gay, it’s with the gays are asking for.
The congregation can be as welcoming as it likes. But God is not welcoming of anything unholy into heaven. It's God you've got to follow, not progressive, permissive churches. Progressive, permissive feel-good churches won't help you when you stand before God and you've been proud in sin all your life.
Christianity does not change to fit your narrative or pervert life style
So 75% do not follow the bible and are not christian who follows God's rule and do not make God Lord of their life....no point in attending with non christians...
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday today and forever ! What did Jesus teach regarding homosexuality ? , We all are Repentant sinners . Jesus clearly teaches that unrepentant sinners are excluded from the Kingdom of God ! Sanction sin and you have become an apostate church ! Repent for the Kingdom of God is coming like a freight train ! Practise lawlessness to your own peril
Mathew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, (B)‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who (C)does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we (D)not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And (E)then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; (F)depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
Amen
If I have to be in Heaven with those who would force their Theology down my throat at the point of a sword....... I would rather spend eternity in Hell with those who are more humble, accepting and forgiving.
Amen
@@davidethompson1271 People like you didn’t agree with Jesus teachings either they actually assassinated him .
@@davidethompson1271 , don't worry, God doesn't force you to go to heaven. If you choose to be in hell because you can't abide by God's laws, that's your choice. It's the proud in sin who are in hell, not the humble souls. Humble souls don't try to place themselves above God and His laws.
Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. - Matthew 7:21
As someone who's been through spiritual warfare, one can tell a lot about a person's life by looking at their eyes. This man's eyes does seem off.
Religion is a blight on humanity.
Amen!
@@Saysonow may the science be with you. 🖖
So just throw away the Bible no longer Christian.
When I see an attractive woman….. my body instantly lets me know…… I don’t stop and think: “ let’s see now…..I see an attractive woman….. am I attracted? Gee whiz, I may be attracted….. am I ?…… let me think….. well yes, I am attracted to her….. so my answer is yes!…. Wow it’s exhausting to make these decisions!”……. This is nature not sin!
❤🧡💛💚💙💜
Aside from the moral issue, research has discovered the biological cause for same sex attractions. During the gestation period of the developing fetus, if certain key nutrients are not present in the hypocampus of the developing fetus, the natural heterosexual attraction could be altered to yield same sex attraction or actually no attraction at all. In the animal world, any farmer can tell you that calves are usually born homosexual if they are twins which robs them of the key nutrients during the development of the calf. Doctor Joel Wallach, famous Naturopathic physiciann, has exposed the truth. The bottom line is, homosexuality can be prevented with adequate nutritional supplementation and proper diet during the pregnancy of the mother.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@shawnsanders4056 Ask any cattle farmer about the Martin twins, which are twin calves that are almost 100% homosexual. If they are male they will have nothing to do with the female cows. The female twin cows will also have nothing to do with the bulls. It appears that the pregnant cow cannot deliver enough nutrients, unlike human twins where the mother is able to pass on the nutrients that she receives as long as they are adequate.. That same scenario occurs anytime the nutrients are not adequate in the developing fetus of whatever animal is beong discussed.
It doesn’t really matter what biological tendencies can be found to support people being “born gay.” I am attracted to girls and my base desire would be to have sex with them a lot. However, God commands us through the Bible to pursue a higher good in His design in which he designed marriage to be between one man and one woman, and that sex is a gift that should be enjoyed between a man and woman in the covenant of marriage. Sex outside of this context is disordered and sinful because it is outside of God’s divine plan for humanity.
For those who are convinced that people who do not believe the very same as then will eternally burn in Hell, they may get an unpleasant surprise at the gates as they were instructed that God is the only judge. We do not need to agree with each other, we merely need to treat all with respect and kindness, working on being good people each day, to the best of our abilities each day.
Got Angers of people who laugh at sin. Yes we are to love and accept everyone but we are not to accept the sin and call it normal. This is the Christian’s idea. It’s Gods.
🧐😳😱
SAD
David❤️Jonathan…… it’s in the Bible!
I have respect for and support gay/bi people. As a matter of fact, intolerance of gay ppl is very much why I dissociated from Christianity well over a decade ago. I did not (and still do not) want to be part of a culture that marginalizes ppl bc of some arbitrary aspect of their personhood.
But there is a serious difference between two ppl of the same sex loving each other and a grown ass man claiming to be a woman. The former is a private, consensual matter that has no impact on society. The ladder is just a damn lie and do not see how an ideology that is literally predicated on lies would be incorporated into a religious institution. I don’t think the church should degrade and spread hatred of trans folks. But it would be asinine for it to claim that males are women and/or females are men bc it simply is not true and no institution claiming moral, divine authority should be propagating lies.
I love this pastor!
any way you look at it, if you practice sin and are unrepentant your hell bound!And last time I read it God called homosexuals abominations and God is the same yesterday, today and forever
What the shot do it wont save you bs