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- Linking the Age of the fire, the Lords of Cinder stand tall against the Ashen One in the 3rd instalment of the Dark Souls series. As the cycle of Fire and Dark begins to be questioned, so do other mysteries in the world. Let's explore these mysteries in the world of Dark Souls III.
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Icebergs
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Chapters
Introduction - 0:00
The Sky - 2:07
The Ashen Surface - 8:46
The Body - 18:57
The Catacombs - 30:55
The Deep Sea - 37:07
Outro - 43:57
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Music Used in Order
Dark Souls - Menu Theme
Dark Souls 3 - Main Theme
The Legend of Zelda Twilight Princess (Symphony) - Gerudo Desert
Demons Souls - The Old One
Bloodborne - The Night Unfurls
Bloodborne - Hunter's Dream
DreymaMusic - Everdream
Alex Roe - Forgotten Lands
DreymaMusic - Daybreak (Winter Fantasy)
Dark Souls III - Halflight, Spear of the Church (Leamsy Remaster)
DreymaMusic - Hemdall
Dark Souls III - Father Ariendal & Sister Friede
Shadow of the Colossus - Resurrection
Alex Roe - Forsaken Pygmy
Skryim - Tundra
Castlevania Lord of Shadow 2 - Dracula
Dark Souls 3 - Secret Betrayl
Castlevania Lord of Shadow - Underground
Castlevania Lord of Shadow - Cornell
Witcher 3 - Dark Ambient Cave
Demon Souls Remake - The Old One
Demon Souls - Maiden In Black
Berserk - Guts
Sekiro - Emma the Physician
Dark Souls 3 - Epilogue
#darksouls3icebergexplained #darksoulstheories #darksouls3 - เกม
The Sable church and Cathedral of the Deep are not of the same religion. The Abyss and the Deep are not the same thing.
Could you elaborate? DS3 has been so long ago, I forgot many things
Good spotting on this mistake! The Sable Church is only mentioned and there is really no evidence tying it to the Cathedral of the Deep, so most likely a separate religion. Hope it didn't take too much away from the discussion point!
@@dominikkowalski2386 The Sable Church rests on the belief that the hollowed form is the most honest and truest form of anyone, they practice the dark.
Meanwhile Cathedral of the Deep are composed of deacons that first fought against the Deep, but through Aldrich ended up being consumed by the Deep.
basically:
The Deep = The deep blue sea
The Abyss = The minecraft void
@@natiscool would take a look at Ratataoskar’s video on the deep. It’s more like a peaceful Oceanish realm that’s been corrupted by blackened human souls.
@@nerassmallerchannel5619 Funny thing I have noticed.
Throught the entire series, we are made aware that the Hollowed form is the form deprived of a Soul OR when said Soul is too damaged. And it's confirmed and verified when we find Gwyn and the Nameless King and a few others that this is the case. So for the Sable Church to Worship the Dark yet have a faith that seemingly worships the absence of the Soul... I'm inclined to believe that the Usurpation of the Fire ending is akin to returning to the Age of Ancients.
Also... anyone noticed how the theme of Death is so very strong within the Sable Church? Like more Death than the actual Dark? They Embrace the Curse and curse the Living too, yet in the Ringed City, we find lots of hints that the Civilization closer to the Dark actively fought the curse. The Purging Monument as well as High Curse Resistant gear of the Knights (forged from the Abyss itself) is indicative of this.... even more interesting that it's referencing that anything born and forged from the Abyss betrays a smidgen of Life.
When you cross-reference the two cities (Ringed and Londor)... they are starck contrasts... almost like one is unknowingly worshipping Death and the Other is Pure Dark. I feel this DLC revealed a bit more of what the Dark can do as well as the true source of the curse itself.
Also... not all Pilgrims become Pilgrim butterflies, in the same DLC, we learn that they can become the Angels too... which ironically command Light as well. A a neat tidbit, the optional Dark Lurker Boss in Dark Souls 2 resembles an Angel and it is an ancient Abyss creature... perhaps the Angels of Dark Souls 3 are merely withered or young forms of a full Angel yet the Dark Lurker is the Apex?
EDIT: Something I forgot to mention regarding something the video mentions: The Sable Church has Velka's miracle, yet through the questline to gain Sorceries for Londor, we can see they are willing to steal knowledge and materials for their own cause. Even going as far as to lie to obtain them.
Also... of note. We don't know why Patches hates Clerigy... but they are associated with the Gods, and it's pratically infered by the Ringed City gear that despite being subservient to them, they didn't join the war willingly against the Dragons, they wear Abyss filled cloth around the eyes in subtle defiance to the Gods binding of the Dark Soul... and we know that the Curse was instilled unto humanity by the Gods and the Dark Armour of the Knights has the HIGHEST RESISTANCE to curses. So... I don't know Patches could be just the Mascot... but also the Furtive Pygmie since... well, he has lasted for a REALLY long time in a world where the only ones who seem to endure that long are those of great power.... and the Dark Souls Primary Concept is "Want"... he claimes devoid of all that yet... he clearly acts by his own wants when we meet him (to loot us, have us as costumers and whatnot)
Y'all trippin if you don't think Gwyn named his son Gwyn Jr.
Gwynagain
@@yurinoworry W comment
@@chrismerriweather7692 Thank you *skeleton*
@@yurinoworry This is too amazing to pass up. I need to use it from now on
Well, it could just be Gwynson
Patches being the fertive pygmy is my absolute favorite theory ever
If that's true, then the Furtive Pygmy is my most hated character in the series. I killed that bastard with a song in my heart. Fuck Patches.
Gael can't be the protagonist from ds2 because he doesn't have hot pink hair and a lime green tattoo.
Only in Dark Souls is it appropriate to say, "I don't think Smough is Alderich because it says smough likes to quote 'Grind his enemies bone and eat it' which heavily implies the victim is dead, on the other hand Alderich quote, 'Likes listening to the screams of the people he's comsuming, being one of his favorite things ever.' which of course means live prey." jesus christ
Who on earth would ever even consider them to be the same person? They're radically different, even beyond these quotes. 🤦
@@monkeysk8er33 reesarch more into it, it generally makes sense
@@zakgodwin4836 I'm pretty educated on both, but this theory is a reach. You realize Aldrich is from DS2 right? Smough isn't a God. And he's killed in DS1, whereas Ornstein is definitely just an illusion. DS2 likely takes place hundreds, if not thousands of years later. They're different characters. Not a single character lives across 2 games like that. Eventually I'm sure FromSoft will release a lore book with a full timeline.
@@monkeysk8er33 you make a point, where is aldrich in ds2 lore? i played through it a few weeks ago and i don't think i remember seeing aldrich mentioned anywhere
@@zakgodwin4836 no one from ds3 was mentioned in ds1. Or ds2.
I like how both theories of what happened to Smough are their own version of terrifying.
In the implied version of his ending, Smough, most hated of all of Gwyn's soldier sans perhaps the Nameless King himself, was the only one loyal enough and devoted enough to remain in Anor Londo. He would finally achieve his honor as a Knight, but only in his actions of defending Gwyndolin from Aldritch and perishing in a gruesome, unholy manner that meant nothing in the long run.
The proposed theory of Smough being Aldritch, however, means that the short-sighted nature of the Gods led to the creation of a monster so powerful and evil that it would even consume the last of the Gods and their entire legacy itself, inadvertently dooming them all the second they allowed Smough to even wield a weapon in their name.
Eeeuugh just really icky tragic stuff.
I like option 2
How would Smough be Aldritch? Aldrich was one of the deacons to start off with no? Also Smough died in DS1...
@@A_Black_Sheep94 retconns my boy
@@A_Black_Sheep94 "worlds fading in and out"
Or he just died
Because we killed him in the first game
Lol?
Pilgrim butterflies might be a premature transformation. A massive time skip happens between regular gameplay, then entering the Dreg Heap. Angels are probably the ultimate goal of transformation, but most pilgrims do not last long enough to become one.
26:12 The Ashen Hollow also suggests that perhaps everything in Dark Souls is Velka.
lmao tru bro was obsessed with Velka
Yes, thats why he cant be taken seriously anymore
Wait...What? Are you guys saying the orphan of kos isnt actually Velka??? But...but the ashen hollow said-
Archdragon Peak is a direct reference to Constantinople, the architecture and tone of the whole area is unique. There's also Byzantine Greek inscriptions on the Nameless King's bell.
Was just watching your Dark Souls Iceberg and looked to see if you had one for DS3 and you just uploaded it. What are the odds lmao
Same
SAME
I've been watching you all 👀
Finally, part 3 of the best series icebergwise
Wow thanks, Ymir! Let's hope its the best series so far! :)
@@natiscool blood borne next?
Literally the dark souls of icebergs
Archdragon Peak illusion would make sense if killing the Nameless King would turn the sky "normal" but it is back to clear blue.
I know a lot of fans speculated that the nameless king's true name may be some variation of "Gwyn" like his other children.
Also great choice of BGM with Guts' Theme. Though I can't help but laugh when I hear it now due to the countless memes it inspired.
Definitely a lot of Nameless King's true name theories I didn't include in this iceberg, this one would have been great to add!
Guts' Theme I was a bit hesitant on due to many memes using it, but surely we have to put a Berserk reference in the video!
I picked it up too... rekt... my feels...
The suffix -sen means "son of" in north Germanic languages. I should know.
My head cannon has always been that his name was Gwynsen, which he later changed to Farram.
@@Zpalq Dude that makes sense Gwynsen would connect all of that
about the pilgrims..they are not only turning into pilgrim butterflies, they also turn into "angels" from ringed city DLC, you can find corpse of one of them directly next to one of them striking resemblence
Just stumbled upon this channel a few days ago because of the Dark Souls icebergs! How lucky that this came out so soon after finding this channel!
Very well done my dude, the lore for these games always keeps making you wonder even after so many years
I’d be more inclined to think the furtive pygmy is the one who greets us at the beginning of the Ringed City. Maybe the other pygmy kings are his descendants, and he (as the original) has come to see the folly of trusting Gwyn. Which could also explain the missing throne, as maybe he was cast out once he grew tired of the Ringed City’s indulgences.
Hey man, just wanted to say I love your iceberg content, keep up the great videos!
the "real bodies" of the angels (the slugs that kill the angels when they die) sprout from pilgrim corpses
Maybe the real Furtive Pygmy was the friends we made along the way
Probably
The Gus theme near the end was a nice touch to wrap up the iceberg. Nice video!
This is the description for the soul of Aldrich
This to me is one of the biggest mysteries in DS3
When Aldrich ruminated on the fading of the fire, it inspired visions of a coming age of the deep sea.
He knew the path would be arduous, but he had no fear. He would devour the gods himself.
be very curious if any of this where to be a key part future installments
maybe past installments, bloodborne had lots of big blue sea to go around the classroom
There is this theory that explain the age of the deep as a flooding of the dark souls world, much like the biblical flooding, the human dregs (that are a physical manifestation of sin) are causing the deep (a body of water that resides at the base of the world) to overflow and will eventually induce a flood for which Aldrich decided to prepare by devouring gods and obtaining their power, protecting himself and his subjects. There may be signs that this is already started to happen at the end of the game, as in the dreg heap are enemies who raise from the ground, covered in barnacles and wielding the most powerful version of the deep soul spell, the great soul dregs.
yeah rykard in elden ring has almost the same exact kind of motivation to eat the gods
probably not its kind of just a common thing in japanese stories its like in western stories where a bad guy steals money to get powerful
Maybe he was talking about the ash lands in the ringed city.
One of the things i've enjoyed thinking about is how when Anor Londo's illusion is broken when you visit there again in Dark Souls 3 it's just night forever there and i started with DS3 way before i played DS1 but it's just one of those undertalked about things i often find myself praying at the Gwynvere shrine when i get there in ds3
"Sens fortress" is a mistranslation. Its supposed to mean fortress with 1000 traps. (Sen being 1000)
It's interesting how many theories fall apart when fromsoftware games are properly translated
smartest person in the room
"in the Japanese version, the fortress bears the "センの古城" name, which translates to "Sen's Old Castle", in which, "Sen" is definitely a name." From the soulslore wiki
As someone who knows Japanese the mistranslation of sen’s fortress theory is definitely false. Name pretty much does translate to sen’s fortress. Sen, although meaning 1000, has no counter or any noun attached and it is written using katakana so it doesn’t mean 1000.
Archdragon Peak's architecture is based on Byzantine Architecture.
The Byzantine Empire was defeated by the Ottoman Empire, which is now modern day Turkey.
man i never would have thought that the pilgrims from ds1 could be dead in ds3, it never clicked with me.
This has been your best soulsberg video thus far.
I thought I had something specific to touch on, but I’ll comment again when I recall my point.
Yoo I was missing your channel. I love these lore iceberg videos
Thanks Hamid, have been struggling in life trying to get time to make these videos (they take me many hours!) so have seemed to slipped a bit slower than the once a month that I'd like.
However, with a nice old Easter break around the break hopefully we have another iceberg video come the start of May!
@@natiscool that is great to hear :)
Been waiting for this!
nice video i had alot of fun watching it, keep up the work!
I checked last night to see if you posted Dark Souls 3 yet. Was very hyped to see it posted after that
Using the theme from berserk toward the end of the video was such a nice touch!!!
Gertrude went blind and mute due to the visit of the angels, Rosaria lost her tongue by the hand of her first-born
I really appreciatet¿ that Breserk OST! Great videos as always.
ashen hollow's furtive pygmy theories started somewhere interesting and then just devolved into like throwing things at the wall to see what sticks
I mean..... That's kinda Dark Souls in general.
It's literally by design that shit is just MISSING. TONS of parts of the story are literally just not there as the lore is designed to be incomplete.
brilliant video as always! I love the different theories about the pygmy, and how after all this time there's still no clear answer.
btw, do you think there's any possibility of a Bloodbourne video in the future?
Would love to see Elden Ring Iceberg, Great Video
This should be the next video off the rank! :D
Love the theories!
I love how almost a good quarter of the video is just about trying to fit the Untended Graves/Archdragon Peak piece into DS3 lore
thanks for putting the tp gerudo theme in this
Love the berserk music in the background👌
thank you for great content man! you make amazing souls content, not to say your other content is bad just really only seen the souls stuff because its my favorite series rn and my only interest as far as video games go.
40:32 you SOB, using up THAT soundtrack... damn ninjas peeling onions~
Your dark souls iceberg was the first video from you i've ever seen so this feels kinda nostalgic
What an experience it was
No way Sen's Fortress is named after the Nameless King. If his name was erased from history they'd probably think to also rename the fort lol.
In 12:47, I don't think that theory would work since the ashen one used the coiled sword to start the bonfire in firelink shrine
When you fight first fight Gundyr, it's a cake walk. When you fight him again.. he kicks your ass with a major reality check haha. One of my favorite fights because he's dumb fun.
In all honesty, just based on the trend, if the nameless king is in any way related to Gwyn his name would also start with Gwyn.
if patches is a contender for furtive pygmy status, then surely the vendor behind the bars in the first dark souls is as well. "because nobody would expect him, that makes him more likely."
YES!! So excited!
i heard a theory that since people be tryna turn into dragons and wyverns that ornstein could be the nameless king's wyvern.
rosaria cant be gwynevere because she has no chest
The snake men also appear at archdragon peak. The only two places you can find them in dark souls 1 was Sen's Fortress and Seath's Library
FINALLY DARK SOULS VIDEO
Maybe the real Firelink Shrine was the friends we made a long the way.
My least favourite theories in Dark Souls are those trying to identify the furtive Pygmy. I don’t think fromsoftware ever wanted to draw attention to him, other than the fact they he split the dark soul which gave way to humanity. Hence why they call him furtive. Manus was just a primeval, first gen human who went berserk and birthed the abyss. Velka is the goddess of sin and, because of that, knows what Gwyn did was a sin (the first sin) and that’s why she helps the undead from afar. Trying to identify either of them as the furtive Pygmy takes away from their already cool character lore.
So Manus's arena next to his grave is the opening cinematic of the furtive pigmy just without the fire
and Patches showing everywhere in every possible game (not sekiro) feels like a time/space trvaleller recording stories from all the lands
41:56 ah yes the music of pain
The music that starts at 40:45 hits hard, I feel that I’ve heard it before but I do not know the name of it sadly… 😢
You may have heard of it if you've watched Berserk! Here's a link to it:
th-cam.com/video/dIoILN_KrhU/w-d-xo.html
whats the ost playing during you talking about the pilgrim butterflies?
Its finally here :)
I feel like patches would make sense being the furtive pygmy but he nor the ring city hollow drop the dark souls on death. But I thought the dark souls was fragmented into infinite pieces which turned into humanity. So not one single person carries the dark souls but all humanity. It seems to be most heavily suggested that manus was the original furtive pygmy but has become something else entirely when u fight him. I mean its in his name after all.
Sen isn't a character as sen's fortress is a mistranslation of fortress of a thousand traps or something similar.
rosaria isnt gwynevere, she is only a distant descendant of her and flann
Guts' theme is always the cherry on top of souls' videos 😉
i just thought that the perfect fit for the fertive pygmy would be patches since he's in every game, easily forgotten but is there in the very beginning and the very end.
Then I read the second comment under this video saying they subscribe to the patches is the pygmy theory.
Interesting, I came up with a theory myself but of course it already existed xD
Fuck yes I've been waiting for this!
Thanks for your patience! :) Hope it exceeded expectations!
It go so deep it end up in Dark Souls 1
Anyone else notice the Guts Theme playing in the background? Though I was imagining it at first, was like: "Man, I need to stop listening to that song all the time. I'm hearing things now."
Slightly off topic, "Secret Betrayal" is the best song from the OST, and most people probably won't hear it.
Manus can't be the fertive pygmy as was confirmed by dark souls 3 ringed city dlc. Who it is no longer matters anyways.
Manus is literally the father of the abyss, thus meaning he was probably the forth lord to find the darksoul in the fire and create the darksoul and eventually it corrupted him
@@_Dat_Edgy_Boi_that doesn’t inherently mean he’s the furtive Pygmy. He’s Father of the ABYSS, not Father of the Dark Soul. The dark soul was distributed to all of humanity by the furtive Pygmy. Manus was probably just one human in the first few generations of humans who was put in an unfortunate situation (torture) and this caused his dark soul (which is present in all humans) to become the source of the abyss.
you are spying me!!! last night i watched your dark souls 2 ice berg explanation and yeah, the next day dark souls 3! that's crazy"!
Glad to see you return! By the way the new couch looks great 🕵♂
Another smough theory is that once ornstein left anor londo smough decided to stay vanguard at his post and was eaten by aldritch
I'm no Dark Souls lore expert but isn't Sen's Fortress Japanese name something like 1000 Traps Fortress? I'm just curious.
From watching lore videos on this trilogy, I have come to my own conclusion: all Gwyn needed to do was GET OUT OF THE KILN!
Imma need you to explain why you have footage of extinguishing the Fire after killing SoC with the Gargoyle Flaming Spear.
It would be absolutely the greatest thing if Patches, was Lapp, and he was the Pygmy. But he's just a FromSoft "staple". His first appearance is actually Armored Core 4. Still think he's a perfect fit, tho. (Also, nice Berserk music drop at the end.)
What's the song playing during the part about Rosaria?
The majority of that section is Dark Souls III - Father Ariendal & Sister Friede, I used a great remastered version by Leamsy (th-cam.com/video/QVu1_xET65I/w-d-xo.html)
The theory then finishes off (in the Gertrude part) with Shadow of the Colossus - Resurrection (th-cam.com/video/P4GATcMuYDw/w-d-xo.html)
I personally think that Aldritch is a pseudonym of Aldia, Scholar of the First Sin
Damn, minister was right, we do need better railways in Archdragon Peak. Can't get anywhere without getting yeeted off by those snake-men.
🥶🥶🥶
Yes
Anyone else catch the guts theme
I’d like to see the bloodborne iceberg done
What I think about slave knight Gale is that he could be from dark souls 1 and even dark souls 2
I believe that truly that as the curse goes on as we saw with patches one would forget who they once were but clearly they can still remember how to fight and such.
I think what may have happened is that Gale was a slave knight in 1 and with the linking of the fire of the first game things went back to normal at least for a bit.
I the beings able to return back to lift and he from the ring city no doubt he and the others just stayed there.
We don’t know where the Bearer came from all we knew he was looking for a way to end the curse maybe a way to TRULY end it but found the result was the same so again left.
This caused him over time to lose more and more of memory forgetting himself,
Another idea is that armor he chose to wear when finding it because it suited him he was a slave to the will of the painter after all
Ahh Dark Souls. Defeat fallen gods and demonically possessed armor sets with the power of dragons but cannot jump.
I always thought Patches to be the Furtive Pygmy 😅
The DS3 main theme is so good
It’s so upsetting DS3 wasn’t remastered AFTER ps5 was released… I fantasize about a Demon’s Souls quality version of DS3 for current gen 😢 Would have looked mind blowing
dude you can´t hit me with guts theme just like that
Please do a Morrowind Iceberg video
I aint never been this early
Love the sneaky berserk theme at the end. Very good and nice thank u
I found nito's coffin in Iudex Gundyr's Boss room
Damn really? If so that’s actually really interesting, at least to me.
I fucks with the twilight princess gerudo desert theme 😳
Patches clearly isn't the pygmy he is just a user of a mech from armored core clearly.
Sen (戦) could also mean war/battle/fight. So a translation could be something like fortress of war, not neccesarilly a name.
Except "sen" is spelt in katakana as "セン" and not in Kanji. So it's more likely a name foreign to Japan than the actual Japanese word for 1000.
19:09 mother of WHAT?
Eeek
Maybe the furtive pigmy is the friends we made along the way
lol, I discovered the ds1 last night and was wondering if there was one for DS3