Corrupt, is the adequate word that best describes the lawyers of Kirton & McConkie. Their pattern of operation is to conceal their wrongs and silence those who would expose them. Kirton & McConkie lawyers are simply no good.
Thank you so much for exposing the perpetrators in this unholy alliance of a fake judicial system! Your show will highlight what the groups, “religious” institutions, stacked and corrupt legal systems will do for power and influence. We have to stay true to ourselves and our God for everyone has to answer to Him in the end! No one gets a free pass so those who harm others…especially children per Jesus will not escape the wrath of God!
Praise for Lorraine for not turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to her daughter's abuse. She did what was right - making her husband accountable for his actions and choices, regardless how it would effect her life. Far too often these stories are of a spouse not doing anything.
Yes. Either they are too afraid or don’t care. I hope that most of us would believe our child, and do-and so the story isn’t told unless they are able to press charges or because the guilty party seeks revenge, and harms them.
Thanks Lorraine. You’re a strong person and your commitment to being a mommy made me happy. I needed to see and hear your courageous story. Happy new year.
I whole heartedly agree in this awful story for Chelsea Im glad she had her mom by her side and wish the mom and Chelsea the best recoveries for these ordeals😊
@@dianebrown2806 cults, yes, but there are many churches that are true, though it seems more are following culture, not Jesus. I would wish that people would find a true, Christ following church.
I live in Salt lake and have since I was 15 (I’m 37) and have never felt part of the “club” because I’m not Mormon. It wasn’t until this channel that I understood the church and why LDS people act the way they do in this State. I have met some of the most talented, educated, accomplished people here yet those same people seemed absolutely brainwashed to a point of concern. Not enough people know how toxic the church can be and I am so glad for this channel and for these ladies and all others that are speaking up.
@@CultstoConsciousnessI really appreciate how you have brought this to light. My one remaining question is; what is the timeline of years here in there fight? I may have missed it. ALSO, could she not gone to the medical board with the charges? He should not be seeing patients.
I grew up in the Sierra's and around lots of LDS kids. Not being part of the "club" is an understatement. They are very exclusionary. I did lots of research on LDS when I was younger, and some of the stories are truly horrifying. I am so sorry these two women were born in this environment. Glad they are healing.
@geedee2682 -- Have you ever been approached to be "recruited"? As a non-Mormon, are you able to do everything normally there (work at a decent job for decent pay, buy/sell real estate, join swim clubs, etc) or have you experienced discrimination on all fronts?
I was fine until Shalise said she was going to cry, then my flood gates opened. God bless these 2 beautiful women for having the courage to speak up. When people say forgive and forget, it drives me crazy. Most people will never experience anything remotely close to what Chelsea, Lorraine and Shalise have gone through. And you Shalise are such an inspiration for starting this channel. You ladies are amazing!!!❤❤❤
Forgiveness is given for self-healing--and to help you move forward--not for the benefit of the perpetrator. And, I think it is not possible to forget the trauma--you just learn to put it in its place so you can live with it and not be controlled by it.
Thank you for sharing your story. I wish I could give you all a big hug. The word says “He that is in me, is greater than he that is in the world” 1 John 4:4. I pray for complete healing for all of you. 🙏
These ladies need to write a book. This would be a great movie, as well! The Mormon church needs to be called out and I can't think of a better way than a major movie. I'm so sorry this happened to you, Chelsea. You had so much courage to keep fighting in your quest to protect children. The bishop needs to answer to our creator. However, he also needs to answer to you. He could have saved you from at least some of the abuse. Good luck to you ladies!
1 hour in and Im fuming!!! 😢 If I had never heard of conspiracy, this story would make me believe. This man has been enabled in his abuse by every other religiously inclined person. We gotta stop giving blind trust. Im horrified by what your guests have experienced. Thank you for making a safe space for these discussions. We will heal as a community WHEN WE EXPOSE ALL THE SECRETS.😮
It’s disgusting that the prosecutor in this case was obviously protecting the church. Was she paid off? Was she just ignoring her ethics and protecting her religion over the law? Either way it’s disgusting and she deserves to be disbarred
Mormons are taught that all their ethical judgments must flow from the religion as a starting point. They don't necessarily word it exactly that way, but that seems to be the overall message. I was raised as a Mormon, but never entirely believed in it. They really hijack the conscience. I tried to resist that, and my parents' response was escalating punishments, debilitating drugs, lies to me and about me, anything to destroy my life and make me into a warning example for "being so sick that I was choosing the wrong intentionally" or something like that while keeping the image and reputation of the family and the church clean. They really go all in.
It sounds like the father's lawyer bribed her with a higher position within the legal system (I believe they said she's in the DA's office). So she accepted a pay raise and a bigger office at the cost of her soul. The prosecutor working with the dental patient was working to protect the church over protecting his client. This whole situation leaves me fuming... a religion supposedly based on "love" and a "justice system" meant to protect victims are no better than the people of Sodom and Gomorrah
Right!?!!! And How badly do you think these orthodox leaders envy these two’ hair?!!! All three of these women’s voices and actions demonstrate great beauty inside and out. Strength and Courage is Beautiful, particularly when speaking truths.
That money is nothing to the Mormon church, and knowing their situation it's sickening that they used it to shut them up. I'm so grateful Chelsea and Lorraine are brave enough to speak up. They might save a lot of children, because this man won't stop unless he's locked up for good. I hope a lot of people in and outside the church will see this. If the church (or the people in power now) defend people like that, they are just as guilty of CSA or at least facilitate those crimes. I'm horrified at the idea of the amount of stories that will come out when more people find the courage to speak up.
@@elsjemassyn8921 I think that man already has knowledge of what happens over there. He might even have gotten his own "ideas" from the people in charge over there.
Growing up, my aunt kept sweet figurines of a pair of angels in a prominent place on her living room shelves. They were both female-one with flowing raven curls and the other, a crown of blonde waves. As I child, they entranced me. Today, I’m no longer religious (I experienced sexual abuse at the hands of a pastor in the Southern Baptist church), but listening to these beautiful, courageous women, I see those two angels: bright souls with a powerful purpose, shining light into the dark. May these brave women always be protected against the powerful and wicked, may they find true healing and justice, and may their truth continue to be heard. Finally, may their hard work and personal sacrifice to protect other young children have further reaching impact than they can ever know. It’s time for the Mormon Church, and all other patriarchal institutions, to change. 🕊️
This is such a lovely comment. I’m so sorry you experienced that in your church, I hope you’ve had the chance to heal. Those angel figurines were in your life for a reason. I’m not religious either, but I believe everything happens for a reason.
@@raigenhuss7030 Thank you-I do feel very healed and whole today, thankfully. And I agree, everything happens for a reason, even the things that hurt. In the end, we grow deeper in wisdom and compassion. 💗
JESUS LUVS!!! GOD IN JESUS NAME DOES NOT WANT US TO BE religious (that's what the scribes and pharasies were in The Bible). GOD IN JESUS NAME WANTS A ONE ON ONE RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM THROUGH JESUS! THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO SEEK A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM OURSELVES NOT JUST GO BY WHAT ANYONE SAYS NO MATTER HOW HOLY WE THINK THEY ARE! I HAD A PASTOR THAT PLAINLY TOLD US TO NOT TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT BECAUSE HE IS human and capable of mistakes! That SAME PASTOR TOLD US TO SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES (BIBLE) PRAY AND SEEK GOD THROUGH JESUS FOR OURSELVES. IF someone tell you not to STUDY FOR YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND RUN RUN RUN!!! CHRISTIANITY IS A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THROUGH JESUS! NOT religious through works! My PRAYERS IN JESUS NAME IS THAT WE ALL TURN OUR HEARTS TOWARDS JESUS and not let this turn us away from SEEKING HIM!!! satan is using all this to turn so many away from CHRIST AND The Church but the BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT THE CHURCH IS NOT A BUILDING OR A DENOMINATION, WE AS CHRISTIANS ARE THE CHURCH!!! IM SO THANKFUL TO GOD IN JESUS NAME THAT when simular events happened to me GOD USED IT FOR HIS GLORY AND NEVER LET MY HEART GET BITTER OVER TOWARDS THE CHURCH AND MOST OF ALL GOD IN JESUS NAME. I'm not saying it didn't have horrible effects in me from doorways being open for the enemy to come and oppress my mind BUT GOD! WE ARE MADE OVERCOMERS BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB AND THE WORD OF OUR TESTIMONY REVALATION 12:11 Kjv. IN CHRIST ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW WE ARE NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST JESUS 2Cor. 5 Verses 14 to 21 Kjv. When I was 10 or 11 yrs.old we moved to a neighborhood where I met my best friend of my childhood and started staying over alot and her at my house. I had also started going to Church Services with them very often Thank God IN JESUS NAME IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE A SPIRIT FIELD CHURCH. This family that I felt like I was part of and was treated as I was part of them consisted of dad,mom,5 children, many cousins that frequently visited and me. I even went on long trips to visit other family members with them and the Grandmother actually came to live at our home because we has room at the time and they had a full house. The mother was an amazing cook and I tried to visit close to supper lol! But with all that. I remember clearly we were getting ready for evening Church Services on a Sunday evening. I had common clothes on for the time, a shirt and a skirt that came to my knees when I sat down. I headed to the living room sat on the love seat and was waiting for the rest of the crew. The next thing that happened was my best friend's dad came in the living room knelt down in front of me and put his hand up my skirt a went between my legs. I can't tell you how I felt because my mind didn't know how to process that at all. I guess it was just my survival instinct that got up when he left the room and immediately put shorts on under my skirt and for some reason I went and sat back in the same spot! It was like dejavo, he came back in the living room knelt down infront of me and did the same thing again and looked like a confused puppy when he realized I had shorts on this time and immediately left. After the first time many many more situations happened to fondling me in the van on the way to Church Services because we were so crowded in the van that all he had to do was cross his arms and cop a feel, to I would be sleeping right beside my best friend and he would come in the dark room before we got up for school pull his penis out and put it in my hand while I acted like I was asleep because I was 10/11 and did not know how to react. BUT DURING ALL THIS I FELT GOD DRAWING ME TO HIM THROUGH SALVATION IN JESUS AND I ANSWERED THAT CALL AND GOT SAVED AND ACCEPTED JESUS THROUGH ALL THIS! IF IT WASN'T FOR GOD IN JESUS NAME I DON'T KNOW WHAT I would have become just because of this! BUT I KNOW GOD HAS A PLAN THROUGH JESUS FOR ME AND WILL ULTIMATELY GET GLORY EVEN THO satan meant this for my destruction. so much more happened that is so unbelievable during this time even stuff I found out when I was grown but I just thus is just a summary of MY TESTIMONY and yes I PRAY IN JESUS NAME THAT this man that did this to me ACCEPTED or ACCEPTS JESUS AND GETS FORGIVENESS BECAUSE GOD WILLS NONE TO PERISH AND hell is eternal and hot and eternal separation from GOD!!! We will live somewhere forever either HEAVEN WITH JESUS OR hell were whoever goes there will also have an eternal body and be in torments and burn forever but if WE CHOOSE TO ACCEPT JESUS WE WILL LIVE ETERNALLY IN GLORY WITH GOD! JUST SEEK GOD THROUGH JESUS, THE BIBLE, AND PRAYING FOR OURSELVES ASK HIM FOR GUIDANCE AND HE WILL REVEAL HIS SELF TO YOU AND GUIDE YOU THAT'S HOW MUCH THE REAL TRUE GOD LUVS US THROUGH JESUS AMEN!!! BE BLESSED!!!
Thanks for taking the time to platform these stories and for sharing such vulnerable information.. The more rocks we kick over the less places they have to hide!
I can't believe the ethics violations these lawyers committed. So much arrogance, manipulation, lying, sand bagging. Just like the Catholic Church. As ex-Cath, when it all popped in 2010, I left, never looked back. The re-victimization by authorities is the real crime. That female prosecutor should have been reported to the Bar for malpractice. Living in Utah the past 30 years, after being a teacher and social worker and seeing the extent of the CSA here, I've been waiting for the "Boston Globe/Spotlight moment." I think we're closer, especially with courageous and strong women such as all of you! The world is a mess and guess who's run it all along. SLC has powerful tentacles all over Idaho. It's incredible the extent they went to in order to avoid justice for Chelsea and her Mom. Lorraine, you're so right about the "justice" system. People of color could have told us that long ago. I am so sorry you're among so many other victims of the Mormon cult, then to be terrorized by the protected perpetrator. (Witness tampering/terrorist threats.) I wondered how he was able to keep his license to practice. But there are LDS on the dental board there as well. Your sister/daughter should be investigated by CPS for child endangerment. It's past time for passage of the ERA and women to take more power. BTW, my father was a children's dentist, loved by all. Then he'd come home from work and violently beat me. No one would have ever believed me. Dentists have the highest suicide rate. You both were failed by every facet of the system, but you've emerged the winners. You're strong, you're helping countless others and your horrific experiences will contribute to the whole of exposing the LDS church and bringing about the Big Pop when it all explodes. "Being honest may not get you a lot of friends, but it'll always get you the right ones." John Lennon You're both beautiful in and out. Your story isn't finished yet...
Thanks for this. I'm so sick of these people covering up for each other, and letting children and women suffer to protect powerful men who claim godliness.
I have never been so angry from one of your interviews before. This has my blood boiling. This is unacceptable what these women were put through. "We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system" hit so hard.
All the love in the world for Chelsea and her mom!! So inspirational, so much integrity. These are my people, the ones who stand up and speak out and advocate for TRUTH ❤❤
I'm now wondering if this man had access to and used this drug in his dental practice what if he had also been abusing patients?! This is just unendingly awful.
I can't help but feel the LDS church has a huge hand in meddling with law enforcement & the courts as I'm writing this they're speaking of exactly that.
They are deeply involved in the troubled teen industry as well as the poverty industry. Both to which abuse is endemic. What a lot Mormons and people don’t seem to know is that violence has been utilized by the Church since Joseph Smith, historically speaking. In fact, Smith was a felon and very likely a murder who fled many states until there was enough Mormon niche in his area to insulate himself from his crimes. He used a type of gerrymandering essentially to physically and politically insulate himself from frustrated state and federal governments. In fact, up into the 90’s it was well documented that many members used blood oaths and oaths of vengeance for their “plight” against the governments. Some Prophets have promised to help take over the US government with the help of Native Americans.
How could they not? The same men that run in the high circles of the church are also the same men that run in high business and political circles. So even if someone isn't LDS, they're likely to be involved with LDS people. And considering how much money the church has, it's not hard to imagine how much influence they have. Sometimes, that intuitive feeling you get is your subconscious putting the right clues together.
You have no idea. Read the book Paper Dolls about the alleged abuse by Pres Nelson's daughter, Brenda Miles and her husband, Richard Miles with children in their ward. Because Russell Nelson was a new apostle then in the 80's, the church snuffed it as did law enforcement. The lawsuit was brought again in 2018. Snuffed again. Powerful people that cannot escape from God.
That church are not as "goody-good" as they think they are. To keep & hide what your father did is very ugly, evil,.& they should have been "PROTECTING CHIDREN" not the EVIL PREDATOR. I have never been impressed with certain religions, & some are just CULTS. Stay strong ladies & start over again and give a "different religion" a chance. Praying 🙏 for you ladies. LOVE yourself 1st & demand RESPECT.
Somebody way more clever than I said that courage is not the absence of fear, but rather determination to continue despite the fear. Ms Lorraine, you are courageous.
So proud of you! I loved the LDS church with all of my heart and I can totally relate to what you said about feeling lost when you leave a church that was your entire life. It has been a great blessing to me to meet the true Jesus Christ.
Lorriane is incredible and so courageous. I wish I had a mom like her. She really isn't giving herself enough credit. Choosing to believe and fight for her daughter meant throwing her entire life away. I never told my mom about my dad abusing me because I know she would never believe me. She'd tell me that I'm crazy and lying so she could continue living a comfortable lie because throwing me away is easier than risking losing everything. Lorriane (and Shelise's mom) chose to face reality and stand by Chelsea's side, even at the cost of abandoning her entire life. Her love and strength is aspirational, and I can only hope to be half the woman she is.
Lorraine, my heart goes out to you regarding your multiple strokes! I sufferd a massive stroke in 2011 I attribute to stress from leaving mormonism and the intense abuse in my first marriage. I'm so sorry you've gone through that! I hope for your continued recovery and love the light you exude!
The bishop doesn't want to have to look over his shoulder all the time. This poor child could not even sleep at night without abuse these grown ass men need to be held accountable disgusting.
The experiences with the legal system (not a justice system) are INFURIATING! We MUST demand justice. We had so much more collective power than we think. Shelise, please publish the names of the organizations fighting back for survivors of SA at the hands of protected men. We need action.
Wow! That brought me to tears. Lorraine is such a wonderful mother. She listened to and believed her daughter, and went to battle with her. Chelsea is the voice for the abused, who was determined to get justice. Abuse in the Catholic church began to be exposed by newspapers. Radio and TV stations soon followed. It became a worldwide issue. In Ireland, Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests began taking action, whereas the US churches were very slow to action. Our church invited parents to special meetings to discuss the best way forward in finding out if any child was abused there. Hundreds attended. First thing was to advise parents to speak to their children and find out if any were abused. I remember my mother speaking to us, using age appropriate words. We were fine. New rules were rolled out whereby clergy would never be alone with a child. A woman's committee addressed this issue and formed a group. This was to safeguard children and clergy. Finally, the Pope made a television statement to be translated and seen in every country that had a Catholic presence. He apologised sincerely and told of measures he was about to put in place. In time, many clergymen were arrested and charged. They were excommunicated and tried. Most got prison sentences. Why can't the Prophet of the LDS church do likewise? The longer this is in the headlines, the worse it will become. He should abolish the meetings of individual bishops and all men. Boys, girls, and older youth should be accompanied by a carer, preferably a woman. They are protecting the image of the church? Bullcrap. They are protecting the money. This won't end well. The current leaders are spineless and self-serving. They are too old and totally out of touch with reality. Following the A.P. article, I see a Netflix docuseries on the future, if the church doesn't act. They are haemorrhaging members around the world, but don't want U.S. members to know that. They can't attract sufficient young men and women to serve missions. They should pay for those sent on a mission. It isn't doing service. Missionaries are expected to find people to convert. Imagine taking on new employees at a car dealership and telling them they must pay thousands for the privledge. Nonsense!
Do you know the Vatican is the “Head of the Serpent,” so to speak, when it comes to a Worldwide child sex trafficking operation, holding Satanic sacrifice rituals under the Vatican where They have a tunnel system which goes all the way to Jersusalem in one direction and to Brussels, Belgium or Switzerland in the other direction. Mother Theresa supplied a lot of children during her sick lifetime to the Vatican, and every Monarch in Europe participates (or use to participate before they were all rounded up) in this dirty little secret. The Jesuits are and have always been Satan worshippers. Either the Vatican organized & created the Illuminati or the Illuminati created the Vatican. I don’t know which was first. The Clinton Foundation, Oprah Winfrey & many other high profile people (A-list actors, directors, producers) are involved in the kidnap, transport & care or neglect, as the case may be, usually getting away with it during disasters, earthquakes, hurricanes (remember Katrina?). Tunnel Systems are worldwide and children are kept in cages. There were even children kept under the Whitehouse during some administrations. I understand this has gone on for decades, before Epstein Island, Hugh Hefner (playboy Magazine) was supplying children, & babies. I know children were taken by bus loads at the Maui fire. Oprah was there.
The LDS church is obviously filled with too many male cowards in positions of power. Chelsea and Lorraine you are super heroes! Sending you both love, healing and prayers. A scathing indictment on our legal system. Thanks to everyone bringing love and light into the dark corners.
Its in every church, schools, communities, companies. Work places. They are allowed by...guess who,..US...by not doing anything...now some are so embedded and making their own laws that protect them and those members can't even raise a a squeek to stand against them. Whistle blowers are targets. Solutions??? Anyone??? I say....speak up, stand together. This disgusting behavior is against the law. Make the law work to root it out by . All Churches, companies, organizations will protect their own. Not you. All churches pushed God, Jesus, Holy Ghost out. You put it back by your voice...
I am so very strengthened by this conversation! I was excited to hear from Chelsea’s mom after the last interview and I was not at all disappointed by her. What a pair! They got hold of Truth and just refused to let go no matter what. I am so inspired now to do my own part in my own circle, just as they counseled. Thank you all for this! I am sending so much love. 💜💜💜💜💜
❤ been waiting for part 2 everyone please like and share this abuse has to be stopped thank you CTC for shining a light and giving a platform for all these horrible stories. What's done in the dark will come to light .
It's truly disgusting that these sexual predators get away with this!!! The lawyers, the churches and everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves and they should all go to prison!
Thank you all so much. Such a compact system of oppression. I'm so impressed by the strength and power from within you all have. And, yes, a mother who stands by her abused child makes such a difference in so many ways. Having fear and still act IS courage! You are right. After doing all that you can, you reach a pont where you have to accept what isn't in your power to change. And still we need to find ways to do what we still can. My very best wishes for all four of you, mother's of daughters, with gratitude and power.
I never realized Mormonism was so intolerant. I had all the pieces from watching your videos, but it just smacked me in the face. Lorraine is a wonderful mother! I am thankful both of you have strong, solid mothers. We all don't get them ❤
It's just like any other religious cult. Those in power will do anything to protect their image. They project one face to the world, but behind closed doors, they do as they please. Powerful men forgive their own sins without caring what damage they have caused 😢
I was waiting for this episode to air and it did not disappoint. I cannot tell you how many times i yelled out "oh my god!" These two ladies are definitely heroes for bring the truth to light. I hope that they have success defending those precious children. The whole story is just bonkers! Please give my love to Chelsea and her mother. And thank you for shinning a light on this awful situation with the church.❤
It’s just baffling how much money can do in this world over solid evidence 😢 you two/three are inspiring to still stand up strong after going through this continuing abuse by the system of the church and law enforcement. I hope more correct news articles or documentaries will come out in the future calling all this people out. Bless you ladies for all you do. I hope you’ll find healing and peace❤
I admire you all so much. I was abused by multiple men and the one time I found the courage to report it, the investigator asked me if i had maybe made some of it up. I told him to just forget it, that i would just move away. He said that it was too late, that it was now a federal case and that I would need to give him my new address. I was 19 yrs old at this time and told him that he could drag me to court if he wanted to, but that he could not make me talk. Why, I asked, would I say anything, if no one will believe me. It was my first and last time reporting a sexual assault.
Shalise, I just wanted to thank you for giving a voice (and a face) to these cases. I wish I could give you THE BEST hug. I hope all of you continue to heal.
What an ordeal for these brave women. It really hit me when she said it’s a legal system not a justice system. My perpetrator also got no accountability and a slap on the wrist and is still out there offending. The system is broken. Love this heart wrenching story. I had to keep rewinding it in disbelief.
BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO!! As someone that experienced a similar situation it is so important to always always always believe your child and do what you can to protect them. Your child deserves to be heard! I always let my children know they can tell me anything and I actually had to ask if there was anything happening. Thank you both and Shelise for sharing 😢🩷
Edit: I wanted to add, I can’t believe the lengths they went to protect the predator while not protecting the kids. And so many of the situations in this timeline were really shocking. I’m hoping he can be barred from practice. I enjoyed watching both videos on this particular story. Thanks for taking the time to make them and I wish you and your mom well in the healing process. Unfortunately I’m also a csa. In too many situations where abuser is married the spouse will remain with them. I’m not Mormon but I did use to go to a church and learned how the people will turn a blind eye to child predators. It’s really disturbing. And when female victims speak out they often face backlash from other church members or get ghosted.
I am SO incredibly angry on behalf of all the victims who have been harmed by the church's interference in the legal system, AND the morally bankrupt prosecutors who allow predators to go free to benefit themselves. They should be prosecuted themselves for dereliction of duty and aiding and abetting predators. I am so angry I want to scream. This man should be in prison for life, not walking free. Thank you SO MUCH to these two brave women fighting against the odds to speak their stories. I am in awe that you are still fighting after all this time struggling in the dark against such strong forces trying to prevent the light from shining. Thank you Shelise for platforming these voices. We all need to be screaming from the rooftops about this and other similar situations. They MUST be stopped.
Something truly fucked up went on with that prosecutor! I’m horrified and so angry. Chelsea and Lorraine, you are absolutely warriors for coming through this with such strength and grace intact. THANK YOU so much for being willing to share this intense story 💪♥️
Both of your guests today were amazing, brave women. In fact, you’re all very courageous for speaking truth to power. I was devastated and furious by turn listening to you. Despite justice not being served, you are protecting others by speaking out and inspiring others to do the same. I hope you can all find some peace this season and moving forward, and Shelise I really hope you can get a break soon. The last few weeks have been intense xx
My entire life I’ve had church leaders say that having any relations outside of marriage is a sin next to murder, I’m wondering where on the radar screen of sin does this type of abuse show up. How these abuses are considered a moderate sin by church leaders when they are clearly criminal acts just blows me away. When these cases are brought to light it puts the entire upper church leadership, their revelation, inspiration and discernment on real shaky ground hence the cover up.
I'm in awe of these two. The way they've made it through to the other side and are so strong, brave, and STILL wanting to fight for other children. They seem like some of the purest christians I've ever come across.
Please keep telling your truth as often as possible!! It definitely shines a bright light on a broken or lets say male dominated legal unjust system. If all victims who are also victimized will speak out then this world will change for the better!! 🙏🏼🙌🏼💞
This is deeply upsetting and very insightful as to how the LDS church mishandles cases that relate to csa. These women are courageous and I cannot praise them enough for speaking out and shedding light on this. I'm hopeful for change! I'm hopeful that with more brave survivors of abuse speaking out that it will prevent abuse from happening to other people. The truth always finds a way to the surface, always. I fully support survivors! Linda listen... LDS church STOP protecting predators!!!
My heart is sad and full at the same time to have watched these truly incredible, amazing women. Thank you. Your authenticity, reality and courage have deeply touched my heart. I too am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. My father was also my abuser. I charged him over 15 years ago to help children in his life be safe and it's been that long since any of my immediate family has spoken to me. Including my mom. It's been a lonely journey because of that one piece and because my life is just not the same as so many peoples lives who have not had these experiences. There were so many similarities I could relate to. Thank you and may God have His victory in the end.
I am deeply sorry to hear that you have been through something similar, and that in your case your mom has not stood with you. That breaks my heart. You are right that it is often a lonely and misunderstood journey when you stand against a predator who is beloved and supported by many. My heart is with you!
I'm pretty speechless. Both Chelsea and her amazing Mom Lorraine are such brave women. Thank you Shelise for bringing these spectacular women onto your podcast. Much love to you all. Baby Rhea too! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I'm so inspired by these women. I am angry for them. How dare their former community gaslight them. Such a giant lack of faith and integrity on their part. Expecting safety from sexual predators in a church or community is not unreasonable. It's foundational and pretending perfection is dishonest. ❤
I am truly dialed into this because it’s no coincidence that the Catholic Church lobbied with the Mormon church to protect the legal rights for the confessional it’s really pathetic. There are so many common themes between the two religions and practices and the types of self protective hierarchies and the very good people within the communities and yet the abuse of structure that governs it and its practices are so similar. We raised our children in the Regnum Christie Legion of Christ schools and the founder of that organization was found to be an abusive pedophile and he was bringing the most priest into the Catholic church for years and yet held up in such a beacon of good and protected by the church and it’s hierarchy and of course someone had to die for that to change. But there anything really change? The children and the families and so often the women that are hurt by all of these is incredibly sad to watch and the similarities between the two structures at some point drive home that yes we were in a cult Community. My love for so many of these people in the community doesn’t change but my awareness of the structures that allow the abuse and enable the abuse has changed dramatically I no longer hold it up is good it’s not good. The legalism and the laws that protect these major players and enable them to be this is not good. I’m not going to lie it did take studying other religions that the Catholic Church considered were false and cults that the patterns were so obvious that it opened my eyes. Listening to the stories it really drives home just how similar… different yet similar. Distance helps. It’s very difficult to be in it at the time and see it but once, for whatever reason, you stepped outside just a little bit and someone starts to show you through other means maybe even in their criticism of your own religion, you start to question and questioning is actually a good thing not a bad thing and yet the structures don’t want you to question anything. And that should be the first warning red flag. Unquestioning obedience… it just isn’t good
Imagine living in a country where pretty much everyone is the same religion and it influences every decision of the government. That is what the LDS, the extremist Christian groups, and fundamentalist Catholics want for the US. And the Speaker of the House just told us he is Moses.
This feels so personal for me as I live in the small town just south of Hailey and have been a member of both the Hailey wards over the last 10 years. I am currently deconstructing and trying to figure out how to function outside of the community the church provides and was unaware that there are others in the same position as myself in our small area. Love and hugs to both Chelsea and Lorraine!❤
Thank you Beautiful Women!! For standing your truth!! I wish I would of had the support of my parents when the truth came out. Instead, I was told I would destroy that mans family. And to thimk of the damage i would do if i ever talked about it. That I should forgive and let the church handle it. Instead I spent years worried he was doing the same thing to his own kids.I was told he did a weekend in jail. Honestly im not sure if that is true. The damage of not having my parents support. Was more painful than the molestation. It all caused life long damage. I refused to go to church at the age of 13. Im so grateful I did!! You two are such an Adorable Mother, daughter❤❤❤ Thanks again Ladies!!
this is the site of the cults that people are not aware of enough when it comes to cults. My father did the dame abused 12-year-old when JW. My mother was terrorized by both my father and the cult for speaking out about it. We all became homeless with trauma for life and he also knows important people. we were derailed with no support from the church or my family who were JWs as well. I could write a book. It's the same dynamic with cults everywhere and I am struggling with cancer and don't have much energy to advocate about it. It's good you do!
Cults are grown by people with no backbone. They thrive by people that do nothing to be help themselves and believing that they are taken care of by allowing false leaders to take charge of their lives. We create cults by being wimps. We allow this kind of behavior by looking the other way. Control is their tactic. I see comments saying. I'm so sorry, I'm angry, ...etc. We need to say....I am sick of this and will do, stand up and open our mouths to stop them....even our own relatives. Being slapped, hit, kicked, bullied, shunned, lies, shamed hurts but, you will get up and looked them in the eye. First hit hurts then, the second hit doesn't hurt. You survive by not being scared. Women are the last line of defense for their families.
My MIL converted several years ago and I have had to go toe to toe with her over talking to my daughter about JW. I will have none of it and will limit contact if need be. I worked with several JW women when I was younger and they confided a lot about how miserable they were but did not want to lose their families if they left.
It’s very easy to see these two ladies are still suffering. They have a great bond and are truly amazing. I wish them everything that’s good in life. There story is horrific I wish them success in everything they do. Xx
Did the prosecutor ever get reported to the bar? She should have been. I pray for Lorraine, that you will get to see your grandchildren again. I pray for Chelsea, that some day in your lifetime the laws get drastically changed & that you WILL get justice. Unfortunately, another child may have to be abused by your dad & reported in order for your dad to be brought to justice. The only justice I see fit is LIFE in prison. Be diligent. Hugs and lots of love, Donna
I'm so sorry you went through all of this, and it is so infuriating how the church did not do the right thing to support you as the victim and instead sought to aid a confessed child abuser for their own self interests. In part 1 of your interview, I was happy to hear the Bishop Miller was willing to testify and do the right thing, but then became so disappointed that he did not keep his word or stand up for the truth. Thank you for sharing your story, and I commend your bravery and tenacity to fight against injustice.
Such courageous, outstanding women! Absolutely inspiring listening to their stories. Bravo to the mom for not turning her back on her daughter. May you both receive the deep healing only the Father can give you. Love to you both. ❤
I’m at a loss for words for Chelsea and her mom. I just want to send my deepest love and good energy and serenity to all of you. You are helping more people than you know ❤
It says a lot about how bad the LDS church is behaving that they did their damnedest to stomp down people, including the bishop, whose first impulses were to do the right thing.
If a "bishop" in the LDS has to look over his shoulder, fears for his own life in trying to do the right thing, then he is a bishop in the wrong church that protects pedophiles among their leadership. Resign, excommunicate himself and GTFO of that state. That's like that butcher dictator Putin killing dissidents and journalists.
👏👏👏 as a Christian I applaud you guys for sticking to your faith in Jesus Christ and believing and talking about what the Bible actually teaches and how Jesus actually feels about this situation. God bless you in everything you do
Courage is not the absence of fear, it is feeling the fear, facing it and doing what needs to be done anyway. Bravo Lorraine. Chelsea the same applies to you. Remember while you are doing everything you can to save children. You are also exemplary in showing how someone can turn the worst situation to not only survive but become such a warrior. Is it possible to have the bar association look at the credentials trials of the person who dropped the charges. She should be examined for how she is working. Maybe federally. Do not know the system in America as I am European.
I’m so so sorry the road has been so extremely hard 😢 Stories like this gets my blood boiling. 🥵 You are powerhouse women and I have so much respect for you. I was crying and praying for you as I was listening, God bless you as you continue walking in truth.
What's happened is just to disturbing for words. I hope the tides are turning as more stories come to light. I believe if you think a child is being abused you are just as guilty as the abuser if you don't report it or speak out. All religious leaders need to report SA.
Such strong women! Thank you her mom not turning a blind eye!!! Stood by your daughter! I grew up Mormon and understand how the “church” works! I thank God I understand now and not a member. I am a believer and live my life according to the Bible and what it says(the best I can). I go to a Christian church and totally different from what I was raised around. Prayers for you!!!
I am so incredibly devastated for you. You are SO incredibly brave for speaking out, and speaking up for your nieces and all the children who he could possibly harm. Your courage and capacity to look beyond yourself, when you've already experienced so much trauma and so much suffering because of it - I can't imagine the depths of your love and compassion in order to do so. You are such a special person, and you have always been. Sending you all my love - this is Ali Washington, whom you used to work with in the Young and Raw days! Sending you so much love.
Shelise this must have been so difficult for you to present. I was thinking of you and your Mum all the way through this very important conversation. Chelsea and Lorraine are incredible women. How amazing that you have all come together to share these awful situations and yet shed light on the fact that integrity, resilience, and supporting each other is key to continuing on in spite of the horror. I can't really express this properly. Much love and positive energy to all of you.
@@CultstoConsciousness you are a warrior. I work in hospice care (music therapist) and I see all kinds of things. People often say they don’t know how I do the work. Watching this and knowing your background made me understand why people ask. You are a beacon in the dark for those who are burdened with the trauma they have survived. The work you do is a calling that is hard but needs to be done.
I am so outraged. I hope these ladies will consider making a bar complaint about that prosecutor. Chelese you are so brave and awesome for helping get the word out
God Bless Lorraine and Chelsea. I’m praying for you and I pray John is locked up so he can’t hurt anyone else and that the LDS church and other churches quit sweeping this under the rug, blaming the victims and not holding their leaders accountable!
Dear Chelsea and Lorraine, God bless you both. I wish you the best and remember, when the last judgment happens, the Almighty Judge won't be swayed by money or social status. Love you both! ♥️♥️♥️
Wow this is such an infuriating story to hear…. What in the world is wrong with people!!! Lorraine and Chelsea are phenomenal women it pains me to hear they have felt so isolated and abandoned while on the mission to keep children safe. 💕💕💕
I hope all three of you are healing and proud of this war you’ve been in for years, being from mountain home I understand how difficult this has been for you ❤
Chelsea, thank you for being courageous. I you and your mom have helped so many by speaking out and sharing. I hope you are encouraged continually and that you are blessed with continuous support as you spread awareness and help others to heal from the trauma of sexual abuse.
I don't believe ANY religious organization should "handle"abuse aligations. They should be required to report any and all aligations to the proper law enforcement organizations for THEM to handle, and be required to fully cooperate with the law. Perpatraitors of abuse against another person or child should not be protected. They should be fully investigated and tried in a court of law.
When they say to be Christ like, they are forgetting the story of Jesus and the money changers. He over turned the tables in anger, because what they were doing dishonored God. What these women are doing is very much like what the Savior would do. Keep up the good work!
My daughter and her family are (were) very good friends with the young ladies father!!! Yesterday after seeing this and other media coverage have cut all ties with him and his wife!
Sending these ladies all of my love and support in continuing to stand up to abusers and protect the innocent. May you both find the peace and healing you deserve 💖
You two are inspiring! I know our father is proud of the work you do. This is a sinful world that has sharp teeth, but you are proving that you have the the heart to rise above it. May you both be deeply bless. May that monster fear for his soul, and may that fear grow ever day. I pray you see justice that man can't give
I am truly sorry for all you both went through. You guys are brave and strong. I am so glad Lorraine stood with her daughter. May you find peace in each other and know that God is in control. He is with you both!
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It is painfully obvious that Kirton-McConkie and its associates need to be thoroughly investigated by non mormon affiliates for legal malpractice.
No one powerful cares because they're mostly all doing the same thing.
Corrupt, is the adequate word that best describes the lawyers of Kirton & McConkie. Their pattern of operation is to conceal their wrongs and silence those who would expose them. Kirton & McConkie lawyers are simply no good.
Thank you so much for exposing the perpetrators in this unholy alliance of a fake judicial system! Your show will highlight what the groups, “religious” institutions, stacked and corrupt legal systems will do for power and influence.
We have to stay true to ourselves and our God for everyone has to answer to Him in the end! No one gets a free pass so those who harm others…especially children per Jesus will not escape the wrath of God!
Praise for Lorraine for not turning a blind eye and a deaf ear to her daughter's abuse. She did what was right - making her husband accountable for his actions and choices, regardless how it would effect her life. Far too often these stories are of a spouse not doing anything.
Yes. Either they are too afraid or don’t care. I hope that most of us would believe our child, and do-and so the story isn’t told unless they are able to press charges or because the guilty party seeks revenge, and harms them.
Thanks Lorraine. You’re a strong person and your commitment to being a mommy made me happy. I needed to see and hear your courageous story. Happy new year.
I whole heartedly agree in this awful story for Chelsea Im glad she had her mom by her side and wish the mom and Chelsea the best recoveries for these ordeals😊
Yes
JESUS LUVS!!! Yes Thank you! PRAISING GOD IN JESUS NAME FOR YOU AMEN BE BLESSED!!!
Ugh, I can’t believe the amount of corruption that went on around this case. It’s truly disgusting.
Stay far away from churches and cults.
And Idaho.
@@dianebrown2806 cults, yes, but there are many churches that are true, though it seems more are following culture, not Jesus. I would wish that people would find a true, Christ following church.
I live in Salt lake and have since I was 15 (I’m 37) and have never felt part of the “club” because I’m not Mormon. It wasn’t until this channel that I understood the church and why LDS people act the way they do in this State. I have met some of the most talented, educated, accomplished people here yet those same people seemed absolutely brainwashed to a point of concern. Not enough people know how toxic the church can be and I am so glad for this channel and for these ladies and all others that are speaking up.
Thank you for sharing that! I’m so happy it has been helpful in understanding those around you.
I live in Oregon too so there are also a good number here. The brainwashing is incredible
@@CultstoConsciousnessI really appreciate how you have brought this to light.
My one remaining question is; what is the timeline of years here in there fight?
I may have missed it.
ALSO, could she not gone to the medical board with the charges? He should not be seeing patients.
I grew up in the Sierra's and around lots of LDS kids. Not being part of the "club" is an understatement. They are very exclusionary. I did lots of research on LDS when I was younger, and some of the stories are truly horrifying. I am so sorry these two women were born in this environment. Glad they are healing.
@geedee2682 -- Have you ever been approached to be "recruited"?
As a non-Mormon, are you able to do everything normally there (work at a decent job for decent pay, buy/sell real estate, join swim clubs, etc) or have you experienced discrimination on all fronts?
I was fine until Shalise said she was going to cry, then my flood gates opened. God bless these 2 beautiful women for having the courage to speak up. When people say forgive and forget, it drives me crazy. Most people will never experience anything remotely close to what Chelsea, Lorraine and Shalise have gone through. And you Shalise are such an inspiration for starting this channel. You ladies are amazing!!!❤❤❤
Agree. “Forgive and forget” is some type of deep toxic
Forgiving and forgetting are different things. Forgiveness is earned. These men have not earned that or the right for their actions to be forgotten.
Forgiveness is given for self-healing--and to help you move forward--not for the benefit of the perpetrator. And, I think it is not possible to forget the trauma--you just learn to put it in its place so you can live with it and not be controlled by it.
Thank you for sharing your story. I wish I could give you all a big hug. The word says “He that is in me, is greater than he that is in the world” 1 John 4:4. I pray for complete healing for all of you. 🙏
These ladies need to write a book. This would be a great movie, as well! The Mormon church needs to be called out and I can't think of a better way than a major movie. I'm so sorry this happened to you, Chelsea. You had so much courage to keep fighting in your quest to protect children. The bishop needs to answer to our creator. However, he also needs to answer to you. He could have saved you from at least some of the abuse. Good luck to you ladies!
Thank you so much, your encouragement and support means so much to us. Sending love, and God bless you!
Being brave is being afraid and still doing the right thing. You are a wonderful mother.
1 hour in and Im fuming!!! 😢 If I had never heard of conspiracy, this story would make me believe. This man has been enabled in his abuse by every other religiously inclined person.
We gotta stop giving blind trust.
Im horrified by what your guests have experienced. Thank you for making a safe space for these discussions. We will heal as a community WHEN WE EXPOSE ALL THE SECRETS.😮
Amen!🙌
Not all were even part of the religion - obviously corrupted/threatened.
It's unfortunate that within Churches, it is _taught_ to give blind trust. 😢
It’s disgusting that the prosecutor in this case was obviously protecting the church. Was she paid off? Was she just ignoring her ethics and protecting her religion over the law? Either way it’s disgusting and she deserves to be disbarred
Good luck with that in Utah.
Mormons are taught that all their ethical judgments must flow from the religion as a starting point. They don't necessarily word it exactly that way, but that seems to be the overall message. I was raised as a Mormon, but never entirely believed in it. They really hijack the conscience. I tried to resist that, and my parents' response was escalating punishments, debilitating drugs, lies to me and about me, anything to destroy my life and make me into a warning example for "being so sick that I was choosing the wrong intentionally" or something like that while keeping the image and reputation of the family and the church clean. They really go all in.
This happened in Idaho, but the same thing......
It sounds like the father's lawyer bribed her with a higher position within the legal system (I believe they said she's in the DA's office). So she accepted a pay raise and a bigger office at the cost of her soul. The prosecutor working with the dental patient was working to protect the church over protecting his client. This whole situation leaves me fuming... a religion supposedly based on "love" and a "justice system" meant to protect victims are no better than the people of Sodom and Gomorrah
It would seem the "church took care of her." It all needs a thorough investigation for malpractice.
These two women are fierce!!!! To be so calm after all odds against them… I‘m furious and fuming because of injustice!!!
Right!?!!! And How badly do you think these orthodox leaders envy these two’ hair?!!! All three of these women’s voices and actions demonstrate great beauty inside and out. Strength and Courage is Beautiful, particularly when speaking truths.
That money is nothing to the Mormon church, and knowing their situation it's sickening that they used it to shut them up. I'm so grateful Chelsea and Lorraine are brave enough to speak up. They might save a lot of children, because this man won't stop unless he's locked up for good. I hope a lot of people in and outside the church will see this. If the church (or the people in power now) defend people like that, they are just as guilty of CSA or at least facilitate those crimes. I'm horrified at the idea of the amount of stories that will come out when more people find the courage to speak up.
Get Tim Ballard in board. Maybe he wont think so highly of his church after this story since he says he wants to protect sexually abused kids
@@elsjemassyn8921 I think that man already has knowledge of what happens over there. He might even have gotten his own "ideas" from the people in charge over there.
Tim Ballard is a predator.
Anyone who continues to stand by and protect this institution is either complicit or expects to benefit from their system.
@@Herewearenowentertainus I agree. He's just as creepy.
Growing up, my aunt kept sweet figurines of a pair of angels in a prominent place on her living room shelves. They were both female-one with flowing raven curls and the other, a crown of blonde waves. As I child, they entranced me.
Today, I’m no longer religious (I experienced sexual abuse at the hands of a pastor in the Southern Baptist church), but listening to these beautiful, courageous women, I see those two angels: bright souls with a powerful purpose, shining light into the dark. May these brave women always be protected against the powerful and wicked, may they find true healing and justice, and may their truth continue to be heard. Finally, may their hard work and personal sacrifice to protect other young children have further reaching impact than they can ever know. It’s time for the Mormon Church, and all other patriarchal institutions, to change. 🕊️
This is such a lovely comment. I’m so sorry you experienced that in your church, I hope you’ve had the chance to heal. Those angel figurines were in your life for a reason. I’m not religious either, but I believe everything happens for a reason.
aww yes they are glorious beacons of shining truth and power
So beautiful and true ✨
@@raigenhuss7030 Thank you-I do feel very healed and whole today, thankfully. And I agree, everything happens for a reason, even the things that hurt. In the end, we grow deeper in wisdom and compassion. 💗
JESUS LUVS!!! GOD IN JESUS NAME DOES NOT WANT US TO BE religious (that's what the scribes and pharasies were in The Bible). GOD IN JESUS NAME WANTS A ONE ON ONE RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM THROUGH JESUS! THIS IS WHY WE HAVE TO SEEK A RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM OURSELVES NOT JUST GO BY WHAT ANYONE SAYS NO MATTER HOW HOLY WE THINK THEY ARE! I HAD A PASTOR THAT PLAINLY TOLD US TO NOT TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT BECAUSE HE IS human and capable of mistakes! That SAME PASTOR TOLD US TO SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES (BIBLE) PRAY AND SEEK GOD THROUGH JESUS FOR OURSELVES. IF someone tell you not to STUDY FOR YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU MIGHT NOT UNDERSTAND RUN RUN RUN!!! CHRISTIANITY IS A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD THROUGH JESUS! NOT religious through works! My PRAYERS IN JESUS NAME IS THAT WE ALL TURN OUR HEARTS TOWARDS JESUS and not let this turn us away from SEEKING HIM!!! satan is using all this to turn so many away from CHRIST AND The Church but the BIBLE CLEARLY STATES THAT THE CHURCH IS NOT A BUILDING OR A DENOMINATION, WE AS CHRISTIANS ARE THE CHURCH!!! IM SO THANKFUL TO GOD IN JESUS NAME THAT when simular events happened to me GOD USED IT FOR HIS GLORY AND NEVER LET MY HEART GET BITTER OVER TOWARDS THE CHURCH AND MOST OF ALL GOD IN JESUS NAME. I'm not saying it didn't have horrible effects in me from doorways being open for the enemy to come and oppress my mind BUT GOD! WE ARE MADE OVERCOMERS BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB AND THE WORD OF OUR TESTIMONY REVALATION 12:11 Kjv. IN CHRIST ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW WE ARE NEW CREATURES IN CHRIST JESUS 2Cor. 5 Verses 14 to 21 Kjv.
When I was 10 or 11 yrs.old we moved to a neighborhood where I met my best friend of my childhood and started staying over alot and her at my house. I had also started going to Church Services with them very often Thank God IN JESUS NAME IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE A SPIRIT FIELD CHURCH. This family that I felt like I was part of and was treated as I was part of them consisted of dad,mom,5 children, many cousins that frequently visited and me. I even went on long trips to visit other family members with them and the Grandmother actually came to live at our home because we has room at the time and they had a full house. The mother was an amazing cook and I tried to visit close to supper lol! But with all that. I remember clearly we were getting ready for evening Church Services on a Sunday evening. I had common clothes on for the time, a shirt and a skirt that came to my knees when I sat down. I headed to the living room sat on the love seat and was waiting for the rest of the crew. The next thing that happened was my best friend's dad came in the living room knelt down in front of me and put his hand up my skirt a went between my legs. I can't tell you how I felt because my mind didn't know how to process that at all. I guess it was just my survival instinct that got up when he left the room and immediately put shorts on under my skirt and for some reason I went and sat back in the same spot! It was like dejavo, he came back in the living room knelt down infront of me and did the same thing again and looked like a confused puppy when he realized I had shorts on this time and immediately left. After the first time many many more situations happened to fondling me in the van on the way to Church Services because we were so crowded in the van that all he had to do was cross his arms and cop a feel, to I would be sleeping right beside my best friend and he would come in the dark room before we got up for school pull his penis out and put it in my hand while I acted like I was asleep because I was 10/11 and did not know how to react. BUT DURING ALL THIS I FELT GOD DRAWING ME TO HIM THROUGH SALVATION IN JESUS AND I ANSWERED THAT CALL AND GOT SAVED AND ACCEPTED JESUS THROUGH ALL THIS! IF IT WASN'T FOR GOD IN JESUS NAME I DON'T KNOW WHAT I would have become just because of this! BUT I KNOW GOD HAS A PLAN THROUGH JESUS FOR ME AND WILL ULTIMATELY GET GLORY EVEN THO satan meant this for my destruction. so much more happened that is so unbelievable during this time even stuff I found out when I was grown but I just thus is just a summary of MY TESTIMONY and yes I PRAY IN JESUS NAME THAT this man that did this to me ACCEPTED or ACCEPTS JESUS AND GETS FORGIVENESS BECAUSE GOD WILLS NONE TO PERISH AND hell is eternal and hot and eternal separation from GOD!!! We will live somewhere forever either HEAVEN WITH JESUS OR hell were whoever goes there will also have an eternal body and be in torments and burn forever but if WE CHOOSE TO ACCEPT JESUS WE WILL LIVE ETERNALLY IN GLORY WITH GOD! JUST SEEK GOD THROUGH JESUS, THE BIBLE, AND PRAYING FOR OURSELVES ASK HIM FOR GUIDANCE AND HE WILL REVEAL HIS SELF TO YOU AND GUIDE YOU THAT'S HOW MUCH THE REAL TRUE GOD LUVS US THROUGH JESUS AMEN!!! BE BLESSED!!!
Thanks for taking the time to platform these stories and for sharing such vulnerable information.. The more rocks we kick over the less places they have to hide!
❤️ thanks for your support!
I can't believe the ethics violations these lawyers committed. So much arrogance, manipulation, lying, sand bagging. Just like the Catholic Church. As ex-Cath, when it all popped in 2010, I left, never looked back. The re-victimization by authorities is the real crime. That female prosecutor should have been reported to the Bar for malpractice. Living in Utah the past 30 years, after being a teacher and social worker and seeing the extent of the CSA here, I've been waiting for the "Boston Globe/Spotlight moment." I think we're closer, especially with courageous and strong women such as all of you! The world is a mess and guess who's run it all along. SLC has powerful tentacles all over Idaho. It's incredible the extent they went to in order to avoid justice for Chelsea and her Mom. Lorraine, you're so right about the "justice" system. People of color could have told us that long ago. I am so sorry you're among so many other victims of the Mormon cult, then to be terrorized by the protected perpetrator. (Witness tampering/terrorist threats.) I wondered how he was able to keep his license to practice. But there are LDS on the dental board there as well. Your sister/daughter should be investigated by CPS for child endangerment.
It's past time for passage of the ERA and women to take more power. BTW, my father was a children's dentist, loved by all. Then he'd come home from work and violently beat me. No one would have ever believed me. Dentists have the highest suicide rate.
You both were failed by every facet of the system, but you've emerged the winners. You're strong, you're helping countless others and your horrific experiences will contribute to the whole of exposing the LDS church and bringing about the Big Pop when it all explodes. "Being honest may not get you a lot of friends, but it'll always get you the right ones." John Lennon
You're both beautiful in and out. Your story isn't finished yet...
Beautifully said!👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks for this. I'm so sick of these people covering up for each other, and letting children and women suffer to protect powerful men who claim godliness.
I have never been so angry from one of your interviews before. This has my blood boiling. This is unacceptable what these women were put through. "We don't have a justice system, we have a legal system" hit so hard.
All the love in the world for Chelsea and her mom!! So inspirational, so much integrity. These are my people, the ones who stand up and speak out and advocate for TRUTH ❤❤
I'm now wondering if this man had access to and used this drug in his dental practice what if he had also been abusing patients?! This is just unendingly awful.
Quite possible. A predator doesn't really turn off being a predator.
Of course he is.
His former/current patients should definitely reassess their appointments with anaesthesia…
I can't help but feel the LDS church has a huge hand in meddling with law enforcement & the courts as I'm writing this they're speaking of exactly that.
They are deeply involved in the troubled teen industry as well as the poverty industry. Both to which abuse is endemic. What a lot Mormons and people don’t seem to know is that violence has been utilized by the Church since Joseph Smith, historically speaking. In fact, Smith was a felon and very likely a murder who fled many states until there was enough Mormon niche in his area to insulate himself from his crimes.
He used a type of gerrymandering essentially to physically and politically insulate himself from frustrated state and federal governments. In fact, up into the 90’s it was well documented that many members used blood oaths and oaths of vengeance for their “plight” against the governments. Some Prophets have promised to help take over the US government with the help of Native Americans.
How could they not? The same men that run in the high circles of the church are also the same men that run in high business and political circles. So even if someone isn't LDS, they're likely to be involved with LDS people. And considering how much money the church has, it's not hard to imagine how much influence they have. Sometimes, that intuitive feeling you get is your subconscious putting the right clues together.
You have no idea. Read the book Paper Dolls about the alleged abuse by Pres Nelson's daughter, Brenda Miles and her husband, Richard Miles with children in their ward. Because Russell Nelson was a new apostle then in the 80's, the church snuffed it as did law enforcement. The lawsuit was brought again in 2018. Snuffed again. Powerful people that cannot escape from God.
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That church are not as "goody-good" as they think they are. To keep & hide what your father did is very ugly, evil,.& they should have been "PROTECTING CHIDREN" not the EVIL PREDATOR. I have never been impressed with certain religions, & some are just CULTS. Stay strong ladies & start over again and give a "different religion" a chance. Praying 🙏 for you ladies. LOVE yourself 1st & demand RESPECT.
Somebody way more clever than I said that courage is not the absence of fear, but rather determination to continue despite the fear. Ms Lorraine, you are courageous.
So proud of you! I loved the LDS church with all of my heart and I can totally relate to what you said about feeling lost when you leave a church that was your entire life. It has been a great blessing to me to meet the true Jesus Christ.
Lorriane is incredible and so courageous. I wish I had a mom like her. She really isn't giving herself enough credit. Choosing to believe and fight for her daughter meant throwing her entire life away. I never told my mom about my dad abusing me because I know she would never believe me. She'd tell me that I'm crazy and lying so she could continue living a comfortable lie because throwing me away is easier than risking losing everything. Lorriane (and Shelise's mom) chose to face reality and stand by Chelsea's side, even at the cost of abandoning her entire life. Her love and strength is aspirational, and I can only hope to be half the woman she is.
I’m so sorry you didn’t have the same support. We see you❤️
Lorraine, my heart goes out to you regarding your multiple strokes! I sufferd a massive stroke in 2011 I attribute to stress from leaving mormonism and the intense abuse in my first marriage. I'm so sorry you've gone through that! I hope for your continued recovery and love the light you exude!
❤️ sending you love as well!
The bishop doesn't want to have to look over his shoulder all the time. This poor child could not even sleep at night without abuse these grown ass men need to be held accountable disgusting.
The experiences with the legal system (not a justice system) are INFURIATING! We MUST demand justice. We had so much more collective power than we think. Shelise, please publish the names of the organizations fighting back for survivors of SA at the hands of protected men. We need action.
Wow! That brought me to tears. Lorraine is such a wonderful mother. She listened to and believed her daughter, and went to battle with her.
Chelsea is the voice for the abused, who was determined to get justice.
Abuse in the Catholic church began to be exposed by newspapers. Radio and TV stations soon followed. It became a worldwide issue. In Ireland, Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests began taking action, whereas the US churches were very slow to action.
Our church invited parents to special meetings to discuss the best way forward in finding out if any child was abused there. Hundreds attended. First thing was to advise parents to speak to their children and find out if any were abused. I remember my mother speaking to us, using age appropriate words. We were fine.
New rules were rolled out whereby clergy would never be alone with a child. A woman's committee addressed this issue and formed a group. This was to safeguard children and clergy.
Finally, the Pope made a television statement to be translated and seen in every country that had a Catholic presence. He apologised sincerely and told of measures he was about to put in place.
In time, many clergymen were arrested and charged. They were excommunicated and tried. Most got prison sentences.
Why can't the Prophet of the LDS church do likewise? The longer this is in the headlines, the worse it will become. He should abolish the meetings of individual bishops and all men. Boys, girls, and older youth should be accompanied by a carer, preferably a woman.
They are protecting the image of the church? Bullcrap. They are protecting the money.
This won't end well. The current leaders are spineless and self-serving. They are too old and totally out of touch with reality. Following the A.P. article, I see a Netflix docuseries on the future, if the church doesn't act. They are haemorrhaging members around the world, but don't want U.S. members to know that. They can't attract sufficient young men and women to serve missions. They should pay for those sent on a mission. It isn't doing service. Missionaries are expected to find people to convert. Imagine taking on new employees at a car dealership and telling them they must pay thousands for the privledge. Nonsense!
The LDS church cannot carry out the same measures. When you peel back the layers of the onion they already know what lies at the core.
Do you know the Vatican is the “Head of the Serpent,” so to speak, when it comes to a Worldwide child sex trafficking operation, holding Satanic sacrifice rituals under the Vatican where They have a tunnel system which goes all the way to Jersusalem in one direction and to Brussels, Belgium or Switzerland in the other direction. Mother Theresa supplied a lot of children during her sick lifetime to the Vatican, and every Monarch in Europe participates (or use to participate before they were all rounded up) in this dirty little secret. The Jesuits are and have always been Satan worshippers. Either the Vatican organized & created the Illuminati or the Illuminati created the Vatican. I don’t know which was first. The Clinton Foundation, Oprah Winfrey & many other high profile people (A-list actors, directors, producers) are involved in the kidnap, transport & care or neglect, as the case may be, usually getting away with it during disasters, earthquakes, hurricanes (remember Katrina?). Tunnel Systems are worldwide and children are kept in cages. There were even children kept under the Whitehouse during some administrations. I understand this has gone on for decades, before Epstein Island, Hugh Hefner (playboy Magazine) was supplying children, & babies. I know children were taken by bus loads at the Maui fire. Oprah was there.
The LDS church is obviously filled with too many male cowards in positions of power. Chelsea and Lorraine you are super heroes! Sending you both love, healing and prayers. A scathing indictment on our legal system. Thanks to everyone bringing love and light into the dark corners.
Perhaps coward is not the right word. Predator might fit better, with the cowards at the middle level, covering up desperately for them.
Its in every church, schools, communities, companies. Work places. They are allowed by...guess who,..US...by not doing anything...now some are so embedded and making their own laws that protect them and those members can't even raise a a squeek to stand against them.
Whistle blowers are targets.
Solutions??? Anyone???
I say....speak up, stand together.
This disgusting behavior is against the law. Make the law work to root it out by . All Churches, companies, organizations will protect their own. Not you.
All churches pushed God, Jesus, Holy Ghost out.
You put it back by your voice...
I got so angry for them listening to this. So heartbreaking. Their strength through everything is inspiring.
I am so very strengthened by this conversation! I was excited to hear from Chelsea’s mom after the last interview and I was not at all disappointed by her. What a pair! They got hold of Truth and just refused to let go no matter what. I am so inspired now to do my own part in my own circle, just as they counseled. Thank you all for this! I am sending so much love. 💜💜💜💜💜
Thank you, Donnell!❤️
@@CultstoConsciousness 🥰
❤ been waiting for part 2 everyone please like and share this abuse has to be stopped thank you CTC for shining a light and giving a platform for all these horrible stories. What's done in the dark will come to light .
Agreed ❤ Stay strong Ladies 🦋.
We have to shine that light, though.
It's truly disgusting that these sexual predators get away with this!!! The lawyers, the churches and everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves and they should all go to prison!
Predators protect predators especially if they are high standing and wealthy individuals.
Even though they haven't gotten the justice they deserve, they have done a lot of good by speaking the truth.
Thank you all so much. Such a compact system of oppression. I'm so impressed by the strength and power from within you all have. And, yes, a mother who stands by her abused child makes such a difference in so many ways.
Having fear and still act IS courage!
You are right. After doing all that you can, you reach a pont where you have to accept what isn't in your power to change. And still we need to find ways to do what we still can.
My very best wishes for all four of you, mother's of daughters, with gratitude and power.
Brave hearted women! You will be the generation to break this church wide curse! Thank God for you! Heart hugs.
Cult wide curse. A curse placed on them by the lies and abuses of its founder, Joseph Smith.
I never realized Mormonism was so intolerant. I had all the pieces from watching your videos, but it just smacked me in the face. Lorraine is a wonderful mother! I am thankful both of you have strong, solid mothers. We all don't get them ❤
It's just like any other religious cult. Those in power will do anything to protect their image. They project one face to the world, but behind closed doors, they do as they please. Powerful men forgive their own sins without caring what damage they have caused 😢
I was waiting for this episode to air and it did not disappoint. I cannot tell you how many times i yelled out "oh my god!" These two ladies are definitely heroes for bring the truth to light. I hope that they have success defending those precious children. The whole story is just bonkers! Please give my love to Chelsea and her mother. And thank you for shinning a light on this awful situation with the church.❤
Thank you so much for your encouragement and support, as it means a lot to us. Sending love to you!
It’s just baffling how much money can do in this world over solid evidence 😢 you two/three are inspiring to still stand up strong after going through this continuing abuse by the system of the church and law enforcement. I hope more correct news articles or documentaries will come out in the future calling all this people out. Bless you ladies for all you do. I hope you’ll find healing and peace❤
Infuriating
I admire you all so much. I was abused by multiple men and the one time I found the courage to report it, the investigator asked me if i had maybe made some of it up. I told him to just forget it, that i would just move away. He said that it was too late, that it was now a federal case and that I would need to give him my new address. I was 19 yrs old at this time and told him that he could drag me to court if he wanted to, but that he could not make me talk. Why, I asked, would I say anything, if no one will believe me. It was my first and last time reporting a sexual assault.
Shalise, I just wanted to thank you for giving a voice (and a face) to these cases. I wish I could give you THE BEST hug. I hope all of you continue to heal.
Thank you for supporting survivors and giving them a place to be heard.
What an ordeal for these brave women. It really hit me when she said it’s a legal system not a justice system. My perpetrator also got no accountability and a slap on the wrist and is still out there offending. The system is broken. Love this heart wrenching story. I had to keep rewinding it in disbelief.
I'm so sad to hear that you went through a similar thing. My heart goes out to you in understanding, and I send you love!
BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO!! As someone that experienced a similar situation it is so important to always always always believe your child and do what you can to protect them. Your child deserves to be heard! I always let my children know they can tell me anything and I actually had to ask if there was anything happening. Thank you both and Shelise for sharing 😢🩷
Thank you so much!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There is no justice system. There are only people with varying amounts of power, exercising their power.
Edit: I wanted to add, I can’t believe the lengths they went to protect the predator while not protecting the kids. And so many of the situations in this timeline were really shocking. I’m hoping he can be barred from practice.
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enjoyed watching both videos on this particular story. Thanks for taking the time to make them and I wish you and your mom well in the healing process.
Unfortunately I’m also a csa. In too many situations where abuser is married the spouse will remain with them. I’m not Mormon but I did use to go to a church and learned how the people will turn a blind eye to child predators. It’s really disturbing. And when female victims speak out they often face backlash from other church members or get ghosted.
I am SO incredibly angry on behalf of all the victims who have been harmed by the church's interference in the legal system, AND the morally bankrupt prosecutors who allow predators to go free to benefit themselves. They should be prosecuted themselves for dereliction of duty and aiding and abetting predators. I am so angry I want to scream. This man should be in prison for life, not walking free.
Thank you SO MUCH to these two brave women fighting against the odds to speak their stories. I am in awe that you are still fighting after all this time struggling in the dark against such strong forces trying to prevent the light from shining. Thank you Shelise for platforming these voices. We all need to be screaming from the rooftops about this and other similar situations. They MUST be stopped.
Amen!!🙌
Something truly fucked up went on with that prosecutor! I’m horrified and so angry. Chelsea and Lorraine, you are absolutely warriors for coming through this with such strength and grace intact. THANK YOU so much for being willing to share this intense story 💪♥️
Yep! She was probably LDS too. Her name is Jessica Kuehn and she is now working for the Pennsylvania Attorney General’s office. 😉
Both of your guests today were amazing, brave women. In fact, you’re all very courageous for speaking truth to power. I was devastated and furious by turn listening to you. Despite justice not being served, you are protecting others by speaking out and inspiring others to do the same. I hope you can all find some peace this season and moving forward, and Shelise I really hope you can get a break soon. The last few weeks have been intense xx
My entire life I’ve had church leaders say that having any relations outside of marriage is a sin next to murder, I’m wondering where on the radar screen of sin does this type of abuse show up. How these abuses are considered a moderate sin by church leaders when they are clearly criminal acts just blows me away. When these cases are brought to light it puts the entire upper church leadership, their revelation, inspiration and discernment on real shaky ground hence the cover up.
It’s only a sin unto murder for victims. It’s their fault. The men are tempted and victimized by them, don’t ya know? 😡🤬
Maybe these men just want to keep their own options open 😮
I'm in awe of these two. The way they've made it through to the other side and are so strong, brave, and STILL wanting to fight for other children. They seem like some of the purest christians I've ever come across.
Wow, what an incredible compliment, thank you! We appreciate your support so much. Sending love!
Please keep telling your truth as often as possible!!
It definitely shines a bright light on a broken or lets say male dominated legal unjust system.
If all victims who are also victimized will speak out then this world will change for the better!! 🙏🏼🙌🏼💞
The prosecutor who dropped the criminal charges was a woman. Soon after, she got a choice job. So, anyone can be bribed to do the wrong thing.
This is deeply upsetting and very insightful as to how the LDS church mishandles cases that relate to csa. These women are courageous and I cannot praise them enough for speaking out and shedding light on this. I'm hopeful for change! I'm hopeful that with more brave survivors of abuse speaking out that it will prevent abuse from happening to other people. The truth always finds a way to the surface, always. I fully support survivors! Linda listen... LDS church STOP protecting predators!!!
My heart is sad and full at the same time to have watched these truly incredible, amazing women. Thank you. Your authenticity, reality and courage have deeply touched my heart.
I too am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse. My father was also my abuser. I charged him over 15 years ago to help children in his life be safe and it's been that long since any of my immediate family has spoken to me. Including my mom. It's been a lonely journey because of that one piece and because my life is just not the same as so many peoples lives who have not had these experiences.
There were so many similarities I could relate to. Thank you and may God have His victory in the end.
I am deeply sorry to hear that you have been through something similar, and that in your case your mom has not stood with you. That breaks my heart. You are right that it is often a lonely and misunderstood journey when you stand against a predator who is beloved and supported by many. My heart is with you!
Same thing happening with my family 30 years ago. They all sided with him even my mom. Had 7 sibling and my mom. Couldn't be happier.
I'm pretty speechless. Both Chelsea and her amazing Mom Lorraine are such brave women. Thank you Shelise for bringing these spectacular women onto your podcast. Much love to you all. Baby Rhea too! ❤️❤️❤️❤️
My best to both Ladies.. I know walking away FROM religion is hard.. may you both find peace ❤
I'm so inspired by these women. I am angry for them. How dare their former community gaslight them. Such a giant lack of faith and integrity on their part. Expecting safety from sexual predators in a church or community is not unreasonable. It's foundational and pretending perfection is dishonest. ❤
Very common in any patriarchal institution, sadly 🤨
You are doing important work. Respect to you, the victims, and everyone who is working so hard on this.
I have been amazed by the courage and endurance of both these women. Thank you for bravely speaking out! I wish you rest and renewal!
OMG she looks exactly like her mom. Brave and exceptional woman. Don't ever give up.
I am truly dialed into this because it’s no coincidence that the Catholic Church lobbied with the Mormon church to protect the legal rights for the confessional it’s really pathetic.
There are so many common themes between the two religions and practices and the types of self protective hierarchies and the very good people within the communities and yet the abuse of structure that governs it and its practices are so similar.
We raised our children in the Regnum Christie Legion of Christ schools and the founder of that organization was found to be an abusive pedophile and he was bringing the most priest into the Catholic church for years and yet held up in such a beacon of good and protected by the church and it’s hierarchy and of course someone had to die for that to change. But there anything really change?
The children and the families and so often the women that are hurt by all of these is incredibly sad to watch and the similarities between the two structures at some point drive home that yes we were in a cult Community. My love for so many of these people in the community doesn’t change but my awareness of the structures that allow the abuse and enable the abuse has changed dramatically I no longer hold it up is good it’s not good. The legalism and the laws that protect these major players and enable them to be this is not good.
I’m not going to lie it did take studying other religions that the Catholic Church considered were false and cults that the patterns were so obvious that it opened my eyes. Listening to the stories it really drives home just how similar… different yet similar.
Distance helps. It’s very difficult to be in it at the time and see it but once, for whatever reason, you stepped outside just a little bit and someone starts to show you through other means maybe even in their criticism of your own religion, you start to question and questioning is actually a good thing not a bad thing and yet the structures don’t want you to question anything. And that should be the first warning red flag. Unquestioning obedience… it just isn’t good
Imagine living in a country where pretty much everyone is the same religion and it influences every decision of the government.
That is what the LDS, the extremist Christian groups, and fundamentalist Catholics want for the US. And the Speaker of the House just told us he is Moses.
This feels so personal for me as I live in the small town just south of Hailey and have been a member of both the Hailey wards over the last 10 years. I am currently deconstructing and trying to figure out how to function outside of the community the church provides and was unaware that there are others in the same position as myself in our small area. Love and hugs to both Chelsea and Lorraine!❤
Love and hugs to you as well! Would love to connect sometime!
@chelseagoodrich6383 I would love that! Not sure how to share contact info on TH-cam. . .
It is so completely amazing that you both are still so strong. You are an incredible inspiration.
Thank you Beautiful Women!! For standing your truth!! I wish I would of had the support of my parents when the truth came out. Instead, I was told I would destroy that mans family. And to thimk of the damage i would do if i ever talked about it. That I should forgive and let the church handle it. Instead I spent years worried he was doing the same thing to his own kids.I was told he did a weekend in jail. Honestly im not sure if that is true. The damage of not having my parents support. Was more painful than the molestation. It all caused life long damage. I refused to go to church at the age of 13. Im so grateful I did!!
You two are such an Adorable Mother, daughter❤❤❤
Thanks again Ladies!!
I’m so sorry to hear that. You’re not alone. I hope your doing better now❤️
@@CultstoConsciousness I think I've healed pretty well. It still comes up out of nowhere. Sometimes❤️ Thanks!!🌈
this is the site of the cults that people are not aware of enough when it comes to cults. My father did the dame abused 12-year-old when JW. My mother was terrorized by both my father and the cult for speaking out about it. We all became homeless with trauma for life and he also knows important people. we were derailed with no support from the church or my family who were JWs as well. I could write a book. It's the same dynamic with cults everywhere and I am struggling with cancer and don't have much energy to advocate about it. It's good you do!
Cults are grown by people with no backbone. They thrive by people that do nothing to be help themselves and believing that they are taken care of by allowing false leaders to take charge of their lives.
We create cults by being wimps. We allow this kind of behavior by looking the other way. Control is their tactic.
I see comments saying. I'm so sorry, I'm angry, ...etc.
We need to say....I am sick of this and will do, stand up and open our mouths to stop them....even our own relatives. Being slapped, hit, kicked, bullied, shunned, lies, shamed hurts but, you will get up and looked them in the eye.
First hit hurts then, the second hit doesn't hurt. You survive by not being scared.
Women are the last line of defense for their families.
My MIL converted several years ago and I have had to go toe to toe with her over talking to my daughter about JW. I will have none of it and will limit contact if need be. I worked with several JW women when I was younger and they confided a lot about how miserable they were but did not want to lose their families if they left.
It’s very easy to see these two ladies are still suffering. They have a great bond and are truly amazing. I wish them everything that’s good in life. There story is horrific I wish them success in everything they do. Xx
The mother lost everything, but Supported her daughter!❤
Did the prosecutor ever get reported to the bar? She should have been. I pray for Lorraine, that you will get to see your grandchildren again. I pray for Chelsea, that some day in your lifetime the laws get drastically changed & that you WILL get justice. Unfortunately, another child may have to be abused by your dad & reported in order for your dad to be brought to justice. The only justice I see fit is LIFE in prison. Be diligent. Hugs and lots of love, Donna
I'm so sorry you went through all of this, and it is so infuriating how the church did not do the right thing to support you as the victim and instead sought to aid a confessed child abuser for their own self interests. In part 1 of your interview, I was happy to hear the Bishop Miller was willing to testify and do the right thing, but then became so disappointed that he did not keep his word or stand up for the truth. Thank you for sharing your story, and I commend your bravery and tenacity to fight against injustice.
Chelsea and Lorraine, keep up the good fight to save children. You are both so courageous. All the best to you.
Such courageous, outstanding women! Absolutely inspiring listening to their stories. Bravo to the mom for not turning her back on her daughter. May you both receive the deep healing only the Father can give you. Love to you both. ❤
I’m at a loss for words for Chelsea and her mom. I just want to send my deepest love and good energy and serenity to all of you. You are helping more people than you know ❤
Chelsea and Lorraine, I have so much admiration and respect for both of you. I’m so glad that these trials and horrors did not destroy your faith too.
It says a lot about how bad the LDS church is behaving that they did their damnedest to stomp down people, including the bishop, whose first impulses were to do the right thing.
False prophet false Scripture no holy Spirit discernment working for the other guy
If a "bishop" in the LDS has to look over his shoulder, fears for his own life in trying to do the right thing, then he is a bishop in the wrong church that protects pedophiles among their leadership. Resign, excommunicate himself and GTFO of that state. That's like that butcher dictator Putin killing dissidents and journalists.
Lorraine was a college roommate of my wife. She is a superwoman, and our hearts break learning about this life nightmare.
👏👏👏 as a Christian I applaud you guys for sticking to your faith in Jesus Christ and believing and talking about what the Bible actually teaches and how Jesus actually feels about this situation. God bless you in everything you do
Courage is not the absence of fear, it is feeling the fear, facing it and doing what needs to be done anyway. Bravo Lorraine. Chelsea the same applies to you. Remember while you are doing everything you can to save children. You are also exemplary in showing how someone can turn the worst situation to not only survive but become such a warrior. Is it possible to have the bar association look at the credentials trials of the person who dropped the charges. She should be examined for how she is working. Maybe federally. Do not know the system in America as I am European.
I’m so so sorry the road has been so extremely hard 😢
Stories like this gets my blood boiling. 🥵
You are powerhouse women and I have so much respect for you.
I was crying and praying for you as I was listening,
God bless you as you continue walking in truth.
Lorraine, courage isn't necessary with the absence of fear. You are courageous because you had fear, but pressed on anyway! You are so brave.
What's happened is just to disturbing for words. I hope the tides are turning as more stories come to light. I believe if you think a child is being abused you are just as guilty as the abuser if you don't report it or speak out. All religious leaders need to report SA.
You are two beautiful, strong women. So very sorry for what you have had to go through. Stay strong. God bless you both.
Such strong women! Thank you her mom not turning a blind eye!!! Stood by your daughter! I grew up Mormon and understand how the “church” works! I thank God I understand now and not a member. I am a believer and live my life according to the Bible and what it says(the best I can). I go to a Christian church and totally different from what I was raised around. Prayers for you!!!
I am so incredibly devastated for you. You are SO incredibly brave for speaking out, and speaking up for your nieces and all the children who he could possibly harm. Your courage and capacity to look beyond yourself, when you've already experienced so much trauma and so much suffering because of it - I can't imagine the depths of your love and compassion in order to do so. You are such a special person, and you have always been. Sending you all my love - this is Ali Washington, whom you used to work with in the Young and Raw days! Sending you so much love.
Shelise this must have been so difficult for you to present. I was thinking of you and your Mum all the way through this very important conversation. Chelsea and Lorraine are incredible women. How amazing that you have all come together to share these awful situations and yet shed light on the fact that integrity, resilience, and supporting each other is key to continuing on in spite of the horror.
I can't really express this properly.
Much love and positive energy to all of you.
Thank you so much! ❤️ it was one of the more difficult ones, but so incredibly validating at the same time.
@@CultstoConsciousness you are a warrior. I work in hospice care (music therapist) and I see all kinds of things. People often say they don’t know how I do the work. Watching this and knowing your background made me understand why people ask. You are a beacon in the dark for those who are burdened with the trauma they have survived. The work you do is a calling that is hard but needs to be done.
Liked, shared & commented to up the algorithm! Now to watch the entire video. Thanks for being such a wonderful platform for survivors.
I am so outraged. I hope these ladies will consider making a bar complaint about that prosecutor. Chelese you are so brave and awesome for helping get the word out
God Bless Lorraine and Chelsea. I’m praying for you and I pray John is locked up so he can’t hurt anyone else and that the LDS church and other churches quit sweeping this under the rug, blaming the victims and not holding their leaders accountable!
Dear Chelsea and Lorraine, God bless you both. I wish you the best and remember, when the last judgment happens, the Almighty Judge won't be swayed by money or social status. Love you both! ♥️♥️♥️
Wow this is such an infuriating story to hear…. What in the world is wrong with people!!! Lorraine and Chelsea are phenomenal women it pains me to hear they have felt so isolated and abandoned while on the mission to keep children safe. 💕💕💕
I hope all three of you are healing and proud of this war you’ve been in for years, being from mountain home I understand how difficult this has been for you ❤
These interviews are amazing and eye opening.
Chelsea, thank you for being courageous. I you and your mom have helped so many by speaking out and sharing. I hope you are encouraged continually and that you are blessed with continuous support as you spread awareness and help others to heal from the trauma of sexual abuse.
I don't believe ANY religious organization should "handle"abuse aligations. They should be required to report any and all aligations to the proper law enforcement organizations for THEM to handle, and be required to fully cooperate with the law. Perpatraitors of abuse against another person or child should not be protected. They should be fully investigated and tried in a court of law.
Keep it up with exposing the cult, more people need to come forward.
Thank you for standing up for the vulnerable ladies! Protect the children !
When they say to be Christ like, they are forgetting the story of Jesus and the money changers. He over turned the tables in anger, because what they were doing dishonored God. What these women are doing is very much like what the Savior would do. Keep up the good work!
Very good point!!!
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My daughter and her family are (were) very good friends with the young ladies father!!! Yesterday after seeing this and other media coverage have cut all ties with him and his wife!
Did he marry a woman with young children?
@@zookytar no he's married to a woman with older grown children. They will not let there young children around him though.
THANK you Shelise for your bravery and for giving these poor women a platform to tell their stories. You are helping ALL women through your videos ❤️
Sending these ladies all of my love and support in continuing to stand up to abusers and protect the innocent. May you both find the peace and healing you deserve 💖
We hear about the worst of humanity on your channel, but meet some of the most inspiring people, which such amazing spirits.
You two are inspiring! I know our father is proud of the work you do. This is a sinful world that has sharp teeth, but you are proving that you have the the heart to rise above it. May you both be deeply bless. May that monster fear for his soul, and may that fear grow ever day. I pray you see justice that man can't give
I am truly sorry for all you both went through. You guys are brave and strong. I am so glad Lorraine stood with her daughter. May you find peace in each other and know that God is in control. He is with you both!