Why does everyone massively increase their prices? I don't get why they think the average consumer would go out and buy a board that costs 30% more for the same feature set.
I think they want to be like GPU manufacturers and ride along. Or us to think so. Bleeding edge developers... but they just aren't. MB are like TVs. All using same or similar parts and technologies. Small nuances, design, connections designed by software and that's about it. Furthermore, looking at the temp differences, some aren't even that good at doing it. Sell something, sell now, think later. Business has been supply driven for at least half a century. There's a saying here, translates roughly "dumb people aren't dinosaurs, they won't go extinct". Dumb people have got money too.
But that's how it works, the 40 series was a failure, Nvidia is trying to mitigate the situation with a new version, the positive side is that it forces the current cards to lower their price while the new ones take the place of the current ones offering more performance for a similar price.
@@dyson9422 That's not quite true, see how the Asus TUF gaming models were running at the 253W Intel spec limit and yet, they performed amongst the worst in terms of their thermals so it kind of is also an indicator of their quality.
I think for AM4/AM5, AsRock is one of the only AIBs left currently that hasn't screwed anything up with their motherboards. ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, they're all releasing crappy products lately but AsRock still just as solid as ever.
Asrock went through a phase (pun not intended) a while back of releasing motherboards with very weak VRMs, but they do seem to be getting their act together these days...@@RNG-999
@@katzicael Yeah it's nice, I also believe the Nova is the cheapest Z790 board that has a Q-LED post error reporter and a power and reset button on its board.
Thanks for doing roundups it seems like nobody else does these anymore and they're super helpful. edit: I'm not sure if it's accurate across the board for Gigabyte, but Buildzoid mentioned the cheaper Z790 refresh used an updated memory topology which was from a more expensive model original release.
Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite X is NOT just a "previous elite + wi-fi 7". It has ram overclocking SIGNIFICANTLY improved and some other quality of life improvements. It is in many ways a better product and is worth the extra 40$. These kind of videos make me question the expertise of this channel.
Also the new Elite X is 8 layer vs the old Elite AX being 6, and along with the other changes others have mentioned probably all adds to how it's supposedly better with memory OC. Backdrilling was another thing Buildzoid mentioned but I'm not familiar myself with what that is aside from supposedly being better for memory OC. Also the vrm is different, 16 90a phases vs 16 70a phases. The audio was also updated to the 1220, instead of the 897 on the old board. So yeah, actually pretty significantly a different board, more changes than what some others did for their refresh boards.
People were EXTREMELY disappointed with not having 10GB network on the original hero. Even after cancelling the Extreme and introducing the Dark Hero, they couldn't AT LEAST add the 10GB network... Very disappointing
I've been surprised to see the Gigabyte board at such low price and with a 10G port. Usually, these ports are only available on 1000$+ boards but this one was only 530$USD. Again, imo, that's still super expensive. If you need 10G, I'd say pick a 200$-ish board and buy a separate 10G network card that'll run you an extra 100$USD. You'll save 200$ over a stupid network port where anybody wants your wallet _and_ a kidney to get this single 10G port.
Could you please make a comparison video with more budget-friendly MBs? Gigabyte Z790 GAMING X AX, Gigabyte Z790 UD AX, Msi Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI, ASRock Z790 Steel Legend WiFi, and so on? Temps, power consumption, RAM support, stability, some productivity/gaming test, etc
A budget Mobo for what cpu? A 14900k? If you buy a 14900k, don't skimp. I do agree that a mid range board for a 14600k or 14700k would be a nice video as well even this many months later. Cheers!
Why does the 14900K loose so much frequency when run at 250W? It seems like there is an issue with the voltage curve of the 14900K and it always runs at the same VCore regardless of PL2. Expected behaviour would be that VCore is reduced and at 254W you should get something around 5.2GHz. At 3.75GHz you usually have around 100W power consumption, not 250W.
No, its because those board are running on Intel`s base power after the boost at a mere 125w. As Steve says, the messy part abt the Intel boards are there maybe 3 cofigurations out of the box, No Power Limit, 253w for both PL1 and PL2, and Intel Specs 125w and 253w.
@@相馬光好 16:00 The chart shows 3750MHz and around 250W package power. I think Steve is experienced enough to know how to correctly record HWInfo data and it is the same for several boards, so obviously not a typo. Either there is something wrong with the CPU (bad voltage curve of some microcode mess) or he did the 1.3V VCore test before the regular one on ALL boards and forgot to set it back to default.
Which of these motherboards will allow you to put more than one Nvme in them esp using the top one without sacrificing the GPU from 16 to 8 and I only want to use Gen 4 in them instead of gen 5 to save on the price
@@HifeMan it’s not that bad, especially if you fine tune an undervolt, and have adequate cooling. Idles at 29 degrees and doesn’t get above 49 average in gaming. Of course there are occasional spikes into the 60s. What workloads are you utilizing that results in space heater temps ?
Gigabyte wifi 7 is an 8 layer pcb vs 6 for the Elite AX as well as a better layout in bios. So not the same just with wifi 7 and 14th gen compatibility.
I picked up the z790 Nova at Microcenter because IMO it has flagship features for less than $300. Post code , power reset buttons , strong VRM, Memory OC reports are excellent if you look at some OC forums, 6 M.2 slots! And so on.. I also picked up a $65 MSI z690 A Pro D4 on that trip open box for "reasons." 😆
z690 Aorus Master ($590-ish AUD) cuz MSI decided to bump their z690 Carbon to $700+. (I actually wanted MSI mobo to play with their bios as I have already have ASRock and Gigabyte Mobo.) - Can't convince myself to buy MSI after sudden price hike and Asus always $200+ more expensive. - Post code, USB real estate, physical buttons, fan hub, full audio, beefy heat sinks. (Quality of Life) - Similar/better feature set as MSI. (Except missing HDMI port on Master) - Bios easy to update with USB to 13th Gen. Why not z790 Aorus Master? - Absurd price premium for unreasonable upgrades/changes. - Quick release button is nice, not $300 nice. - Why pay for Gen 5 if Gen 4/3 is all you reasonably need? - Downgraded audio hub. - Looks almost the same mobo if you don't go into detail.
I would be interested in seeing if the comparable Z690 boards work just as well on these 14th processors considering you can find some at much lower prices.
They do kind of. There are 2 issues you may encounter. Same of the cheaper ones may be lacking in terms of power delivery albeit that only affects the i7 and i9 and second, many z690 cannot handle ddr5 above 6200 or so
Something's up here. It doesn't seem right that running with 250-280W power limits vs letting it run unlimited/thermally limited at 308-330W would result in a 1.5-1.8GHz difference in clock speed. I'd expect a few hundred points difference in the score and around 100MHz lower clocks.
The VRM of the Aorus Z790 Elite reaches 59 °C with an i9 14900K at 334 Watts. That's impressive when considering the price, which is €205 (inc. VAT) here in Europe.
10 years ago if you had told me people would be buying $600-700 and even $800+ motherboards for a gaming pc I wouldn’t have believed it. Those used to be high end WS board prices. The mobo can be the most expensive part of your build now unless you have a 4090.
sorry, but boards costing that much and selling enough to warrant making them is more than $10 years old - if anything, the board I am about to pay $280-new for right now is better today than the board I paid $350 for ten years ago. anyway, of course influcencer focus on the pricy/overpriced crap and then try and tell you that $300-$500 cpus "need" them (they don't - and never will).
I'm planning to pair Gigabyte Z790M Aorus Elite with 14600k...will that be a good move??? Will the M-atx version perform as good as ATX version incase of overclocking & Vrm thermals
Personal recommendation: I have used manual OC with static voltage and clocks for over a decade now. While boosting is nice, I prefer to instead limit the maximum speed to avoid hitting thermal throttling. This ensures consistent performance. Also, while the system may not be as fast as possible, the room doesn’t get as hot. Intel’s boosting behavior will consume every last watt for greatly diminishing returns in power, performance, and heat generation. The final benefit is also noise, because the fans don’t need to spin up to keep the system cool.
I thought you misspoke when you said the price of the AsRock nova board considering the features it has on it are comparable to the other boards which now cost $500. Nope, It's just that much cheaper. Unfortunately right now, the going price is around $330 being what I would consider a good deal as opposed to a true bargain at $270.
Which motherboard is best from a MS-7C91 (MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK MAX WiFi) for a new CPU of Ryzen 7 7800X3D? Looking for something that is compatible. Mid-range to high end
Assuming you have an internet connection higher than 1Gb, you think a game is going to generate for than 1Gb of traffic? Unless you’re moving around big files, 10GbE is a waste too. Then look at the cost of a 10GbE switch, router/firewall.
@@luketurner9211 .. WiFi adds way, way too much latency and jitter from an irregular connection for competitive level FPS gaming. In other words teleporting and packet loss "marshmallow" bullets.
@@DJaquithFL , yes I know, I've been a network engineer for 20 years. My comment was around the wired connection. 10GbE is a nice touch, but its overkill and not required for gaming. While I wouldn't use WIFI for gaming, it is still used on a lot of machines where people cannot get a cable to their machines.
@@luketurner9211 .. I can't think of anyone who would spend that much money on ASUS's top-tier motherboards (psst I'm one of them with an ROG Extreme) who would ever whip out their Wi-Fi over an ethernet port. However, people spending that kind of money on that motherboard absolutely are the type of people that are going to want to have a fast Ethernet port if for nothing else back up to a NAS. CPU-Z tnx299
@@Hardwareunboxed Hey, while I'm here I got a question. Do you think you guys could do CPU+GPU bottleneck testing comparisons for a set budget? Let's say you're building a PC $1500 USD if I get a i3 13400, and a 4070Ti would I be better off than if I got a 14600k and I 4060 for example. Or, if I had an older PC how far could I spend on a GPU before I upgrade my CPU? All normal benchmarks separate this aspect for proper testing. But in the real world the limit is usually the budget. So seeing how low you can go on the CPU before you run into issues would be interesting. I'd guess the main issues would show up at 1080p. I think you technically did a video like this before (3600 + 3080), but an update would be nice. Hardware Canucks also did a video like this. If I explained what I meant horribly it was called "4090 trashes older ryzen cpus" I guess the easiest way to test would be to just run the all CPUs with different priced GPUs that way the data can be universal for anyone's budget. Would certainly be an insane amount of work though.
I don't understand why you would do extensive testing but not provide clock speeds and cinebench scores. It's one thing to criticize certain boards due to shipping with intel power limits by default, it's another to not show how that's relevant.
wondering if these boards that offer the Thunderbolt 4 connectivity have the same limitations as the ASUS Z790 Pro Art Creator board which will not run USB-3.2 and 'only allows actual Thunderbolt signal. Seems like a bit of crookery from ASUS 'and' any motherboard boasting full TB4 processing. ???
Thanks for this video. I am in the market for a motherboard pairing with i5 13500. I need a PC for work mostly (graphic design and photography) and I am not doing OC. I ask you for an opinion about a system without a video card. My monitor is a 4k, 60Hz, (Adobe RGB-99%, DCI_P3-99%) 27 inch. Also I do printing quite often. I need WiFi because I can't wire my computer to the modem. Consistency is my goal. I was looking at Asus ProArt motherboards. What to seek in a motherboard for my needs? Thank you.
GIGABYTE AORUS ELITE X WIFI7 or ROG STRIX Z790-E (the prev version) for 14700K, which would you take? I have been using ASUS for years but the thermals on the AORUS are impressive
Would you be interested in doing some full system power draw lineups? im very interested in some controlled data with the best possible tuning to tame idle power, single core load and all core load and see what cpu's and boardd com bos are the best. idle power costs a absolute fortune these days and can results in hundreds of bucks over the years so its very much interestring to see some controlled data. I'm really interestedin the 7800X3D but the idle draws i see compared to intel keep me from buying it. Im curious how much of a gain there is to be had when tuning and the same goes for intel rigs. my system is on 10 to 14 hours a day but i only game a few hours the rest is light loads and if i compare some random data from amd vs my 9900k my 9900k is absurdly efficient compared to amd options this gen. (full system (case only) idle of 32 watts with extra fans and lights).
Im assuming you dont pay power bills if you think the idle power draw of a modern pc is costing you 100s of dollars. I can guarantee you the actual load power draw isnt costing you anywhere close to that much even.
7:07 msi z790 tomahawk max wifi did they fix the ethernet issue or just leave it as is and broken/unusable? if you get one, they are a pretty good board, but buy a $12-15 ethernet card so you don't have to rely on the slower wifi.
thanks for the advice. He also forgot that the MAX has a header for the MSI Thunderbolt expansion card now. I'm unsure what to pick.... the MSI Pro Z790-A MAX Wifi makes a lot of sense but it's more expensive than the normal non-max Tomahawk and its lowest slot is x1 whereas the Tomahawk models have the lowest slot as x4. The other slots will be covered by the Graphics Card.... I am hesitant of the Tomahawks as it uses a lot of extra controllers (for example ASMedia) making it unneccessarily complicated
Hey, little late to the party, but do you happend to know if there are also problems with the board when using ethernet? Because I am thinking about buying this board but I am prob not gonna use the wi-fi.
All the WiFi at so called Pro-Boards is total BS! If you are a Pro, you have a professional network in your work-/living-place and you don't need/want WiFi at your desktop-pc-mainboard. The same for audio at pro-mainboards; what you just need is a digital audio-output like HDMI. Everything else is BS, because if you are a Pro, you have a real professional or even high-end sound processor like an av-receiver for your audio. All these shenanigans you don't really need as a pro-user, are totally waste!
Check your head for injuries before posting comments. There are PLENTY of professionals who are ok/don't need wired networking. Not everybody works with tens or more of gigabytes and not everybody needs the very low latency. Just look at the horde of Macbook users.
@@Shelldamage As the biggest audio snob, ive invested in alot of audio equipment and i connect them to my pc. "richer" audio snobs will use dedicated streamers that are designed for clean audio output because pc usb audio is very noisy. Youll see people complain sometimes that their usb dongle dac buzzes when connected to a pc but not to their phone. Thats because most motherboards and pc's in general radiate insane amounts of emi/rfi and dont care about audio in general. There used to be motherboards with dedicated usb ports powered be their own seperate usb hub, but those have gone the way of the dodo cuz people use think "get a dedicated dac". But they dont realize that said dac still connects to your pc via the dirty usb ports.
The ASrock Nova looks realy great. Im not sure why ASrock didnt include a BIOS Flashback Function. Thats a disappointment. Would be my go to Board since it offers a real Debug LED and not just Indicator LEDs.
@@GewelReal Do you like havin unfixed security problems? Do you wish getting better memory support? Havin fixed other types of Bugs? Regardless if a plattform turns EOL you want BIOS Upgrades. Thats one reason why AM4 still does so well.
You can still update bios without a button. The button is mainly of use if you don’t have a supported cpu to boot with. But it should support every cpu for the socket already.
@@AndoXD2448 Dude im not stupid. Bios Flashback CAN recover a corrupted BIOS. So if you brick the board for waht ever reason then Bios Flashback might bring it back to life. Its hard to flash a BIOS if the Board doesnt turn on because of a bricked BIOS.
You really shouldnt review vrms on temperature. Better voltage regulation comes with inherent efficiency loss so youre encouraging performance regression in the actual job of the vrm. You also dont seem to lock vrm switching or active phases do the more a vrm gimps those the better theyll look in reviews. There is also the fact that vrm temperature doesnt play any role besides vrm lifespan (of which theyll generally last over a decade at well over 100c at the mosfets where the temps are monitored snd derived from). Unlike a cpu or gpu which is using a pretty on edge voltage for a node where it'll degrade rapidly at a given temp and needs to throttle and that throttling means less data calculated, a vrm doesnt pass data or meet any of those reasons why throttling exists on the cpu or gpu.
These refreshed boards are nice but given that the 14th gen is the end of the line for lga1700, I personally will skip the refresh and wait to see what the next generation lga1851 boards have to offer. I also use thunderbolt equipment so that limits my choices. Good video.
hurrr durr let me use "dead platform" talking points - hey news flash, Intel only lets two, maybe three cpu gens/"gens" per socket, so what are you even on about? Also, for anyone not buying 14t5h gen chips, wich is most people, this is not dead for them. you amd fanboys who sometimes pretend to be something else need new talking points - if intels actions in this regard mattered that much, they wouldnt have the market share they unfortiantly have.
@@xBINARYGODx I have the z690 formula my friend with a 13900k. So from my perspective, advising anyone on older silicon considering upgrading to z790, I would say to skip z790 and wait for z890 and arrow lake. Z890 will be a Newer platform with more pcie lanes directly attached to the cpu, with ability to run at least 1 nvme 5.0 drive and the GPU at 16x simultaneously, perhaps thunderbolt 5, WiFi 7, and most likely 1, if not cpu 2 upgrades. When arrow lake and nova lake arrive the ipc increases will be very attractive compared to raptor lake, and so I don’t think it’s wise for people to spend their money on these dead-end boards unless they absolutely have to. If these boards supported arrow lake, then my opinion would be different and I would say full steam ahead. But they’re dead end so, so it’s not wise to waste your time.
I ended up picking up a rog strix gaming a 2 along with a white case and ram by accident making an extremely nice looking pc with a white colour scheme.
Wow, firstly congratulations to 1 Million subscribers. Did you mean PL1 unlocked instead PL2? Because PL falls back to PL1 after 56 seconds. Some more ideas for testing: 1) DDR speeds possible 2) Boot speed with different options: Fast Boot & Windows Fast Boot + unchecking unnecessary boot devices (USB stick, SATA etc.) 3) M.2 speeds 4) USB speeds. Maybe also with multiple at once 5) WiFi/LAN speeds. I guess not all use Intel (?) First i used the 14900k on a Tomahawk DDR4 and the XTU stress tests were failing, now with Z790 Dark Hero no problems. Having PL1=PL2=253W lets run the CPU max at 210-220W with lower clock speeds, while having 288W limit (Tomahawk) it pulled up to 288W with higher clockspeeds. It is trange that it doesn’t hits at standard Intel limits the PL. I have a game that can push the CPU to over 200W. If the game performs better if i maybe set 300W PL1 & PL2 or unlimited? Because there is the invisible wall of 210-220W at Intel PL. Dark Hero has PL1 253W and PL2 unlimited.
Regardless of the results, I personally will never buy new Mobo from Gigabyte again, I bought z 690 and the coil whine was a real problem to deal with.
bye bye upgradeable internal card using pci-e x1. Most MB has now one slot / can use one card. Some hi end / flagship even does not have it. All has been replace for M2. Is there any modern way to add internal card non GPU without using pci-e X1?
So what MB can you get if you want to run CPU at Intel 14900k with Video Card GF RTX4080 and a Gen5 NVMe...seems all MB if you use a Gen5 NVM the Graphics card slot drops from 16 pin to 8 pin which If I am correct that make the video card under perform up to 50%....Am I correct in saying that ?
Don't buy a K sku unless you plan on tinkering in the BIOS. Wait for the standard 14700 or spend a little more and get a Z-series board. You'll likely regret buying an unlocked processor and putting it on a locked down board. The best part (at least for me) of Intel systems is the overclocking/tuning.
B760 Gaming Plus MSi - for 14700k - bad choice. For 14700k from MSI B760 - minimum B760 Mortar 2 or B760 Tomahawk. Better add some money and buy PRO Z790 A MAX WiFi, but be careful - this motherboard have some problem with WiFi on Win10.
It is sad that Gigabyte tries to hide all the features on their new boards and charge more for their white boards and give you less. It is the same with AMD x670e/B650 boards as they sell you the same name boards and add Ice and X and lower the PCB layers to 6. Gigabyte hides their features like ALC897 Codec audio and just call it High Def. and force you to find it somewhere in all their Docs. Gigabyte has no problem showing the ALC 1220 Codec in the main description. The Pro X would have been the perfect board if done the right way Like M.2 gen 5 and PCIe Gen 5 but they didn't and they still charge way to much just to get white. The Gigabyte Pro X looks great but they now kimit you to M.2 Gen 5 OR PCIe 16x but you don't get both and I don't call that a upgrade for the price. All the board Companies make the latest board and make them the same or cheaper and CHARGE YOU MORE. The sad part is they add WI Fi7 and you can buy and install it for $43 and they chatge $100's and you get nothing more.
Can’t understand why Apex Encore is not in the comparison. It’s cheaper than the dark hero and the only one on capable of run real +8200 MT/s. The dark and all other 4 dimms (2DPC) barely can do 7400/600. The dark it’s a scam.
What is the best cheapest Motherboard for a 14700 / 14900k paired with 6000 DDR5 Memory? I do just Game...no OC or Benchmarking. I just want Wifi. Also i dont need z790. I thought about ASRock B760 Pro RS WiFi, is that a good option?
@@yuvanraj2271 "the pros" usualy have paid sponsorships to say whater the script says. If you just game the 7800X3D is just better....and probably just as if not more "stable" while using less energy.
For purely gaming go with a midrange asus/msi or asrock board and save some money on the cpu 14th gen.is just a 13th gen Rebrand. Theres NO preformance inprovements worth the asking price.
@@yuvanraj2271just give the 7800x3d like 1.45v on the cpu (thats what intel does) and it will be stable and just as power hungry as the intel one. Intel doing a bulldozer moment only pumping more voltage and watts into their CPUs
God, the price and selection of motherboards these days are insane. What an absolute shit show. I grabbed my Asus ROG Strix-F Z390 board when it was new for $249. This board was the second highest in the Strix lineup back then, only surpassed by the Strix-E. My 9700k was also only $330. Brand new. The (artificial) inflation on PC hardware is a god damn insult.
Ever since i saw your series some years ago about motherboards, I always wait for reviews about boards before making a choice. So important getting the right board from the get go
this is not ecen close to a review, its basically just reading spec sheet and talking about it - service to be sure (having to do it yourself as I do can be a pain, or it can be ADD heaven), but this is not a review, not even close.
Why haven't you mentioned the ram and their speeds? There should be a part 2 of this which shows us what the max ram speed of each board is and up to how many sticks of ram as there is a lot of false claims in the industry right now that we need to set clear. You showed that there are 4 sticks of ram on the test bench but didn't mention what the speed of the ram was.
It is amazing to see such a big, 30C, difference in temperatures. I think if Cinebench scores were reported, the boards with the highest temperatures would have slightly higher performance. Also had you the ability to measure noise, the fan noise and temperature would correlate quite nicely. To really see the difference in quality of the boards, each of the boards would have to be set up exactly the same using the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. Using core frequency can be misleading because a thread on a high frequency core will cause that core to overheat and the thread will be moved to a cooler core. This movement of the thread takes time but does no useful work. Using the older version of the Aorus Master, I did an under frequency, under voltage, set the turbo boost time to 1 second, and set a power limit of 260 watts on a 13900K, and still got a 30 minute Cinebench 23 score of over 40000 while Furmark was running on a 4090 GPU.
Great video I congrats you for it, there is really not much information out there for new Z790. But I am gonna correct you because you not check previous boards actually they not same VRM many of previous versions is 12+1+1 those from midrange z790, now new boards are 16+1+1 they got better VRM
this, while I wont comment on 12+1+1 upgrades - many of the mid-range fresh boards got features that were previously only for high end like layers to 8 and top ram speeds, and as you said, better power delivery. or rather, many mid-range board that cost a good price are giving you the features they should, which 590 and 690 most certainly did not.
any 4 memory slot motherboard should just be skipped for 14th gen, you can run 8000xmp with a asus apex encore and it pumps performance by alot, the 4 slots boards you are lucky if you hit 7600..
Quad slot DDR5 boards are a waste for most people regardless. It's possible to get 96GB total capacity with just two sticks. 2x16GB is the most common DDR5 capacity. Quad slot boards should be reserved for workstation users who need more than 96GB of RAM. Currently quad slot just harms max speeds that can be achieved.
When it comes to NVIDIA and Intel you always have this snarky vibe and can't help but throw in jabs every chance you get. This is very obvious and it's a poor show of character for a reviewer to carry such bias in every review/video. Just my observation.
Well, somehow it's fitting, isn't it? Refreshed boards that barely offer anything new but are more expensive? That fits the overall theme of Intel's 14th "gen" perfectly! They probably had an executive meeting along the lines of "hey, Intel's getting away with screwing everyone over - let's get going and do the same!"
"Truth or dare" "Okay uhmmm... Intel! I dare you to release the same exact cpu buuut.. with a 100mhz bump as 14th gen." "Okay uhmmm... Mobo manufacturer! I dare you to release the same exact motherboards buuut... with wifi 7." *Nvidia has joined the chat
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Why does everyone massively increase their prices? I don't get why they think the average consumer would go out and buy a board that costs 30% more for the same feature set.
Costing more combined with things like adding "max" or "Ti" must mean it's better!
It’s brand new, the people getting new stuff are shelling out top dollar that’s why
I think they want to be like GPU manufacturers and ride along. Or us to think so. Bleeding edge developers... but they just aren't.
MB are like TVs. All using same or similar parts and technologies. Small nuances, design, connections designed by software and that's about it. Furthermore, looking at the temp differences, some aren't even that good at doing it. Sell something, sell now, think later. Business has been supply driven for at least half a century.
There's a saying here, translates roughly "dumb people aren't dinosaurs, they won't go extinct". Dumb people have got money too.
They'd only raise prices if they were confident people will pay the new prices. And they often are.
But that's how it works, the 40 series was a failure, Nvidia is trying to mitigate the situation with a new version, the positive side is that it forces the current cards to lower their price while the new ones take the place of the current ones offering more performance for a similar price.
I am not even in the market for a new mobo, but it's always fun to keep updated on who makes good or bad products.
This review was not a measure of quality, but the emphasis each manufacture put on performance at the expense of more power consumption.
@@dyson9422 That's not quite true, see how the Asus TUF gaming models were running at the 253W Intel spec limit and yet, they performed amongst the worst in terms of their thermals so it kind of is also an indicator of their quality.
Good to see Asrock boards doing well again 🙂
Yea that Nova one is pretty sweet
I think for AM4/AM5, AsRock is one of the only AIBs left currently that hasn't screwed anything up with their motherboards.
ASUS, MSI, Gigabyte, they're all releasing crappy products lately but AsRock still just as solid as ever.
Asrock went through a phase (pun not intended) a while back of releasing motherboards with very weak VRMs, but they do seem to be getting their act together these days...@@RNG-999
the best budget option here since the other budget option like ECS and biostar is kinda dissapear lol
@@katzicael Yeah it's nice, I also believe the Nova is the cheapest Z790 board that has a Q-LED post error reporter and a power and reset button on its board.
Thanks for doing roundups it seems like nobody else does these anymore and they're super helpful.
edit: I'm not sure if it's accurate across the board for Gigabyte, but Buildzoid mentioned the cheaper Z790 refresh used an updated memory topology which was from a more expensive model original release.
Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite X is NOT just a "previous elite + wi-fi 7". It has ram overclocking SIGNIFICANTLY improved and some other quality of life improvements. It is in many ways a better product and is worth the extra 40$. These kind of videos make me question the expertise of this channel.
@@TechTusiast this channel is about as useful as Linus is - being big in numbers means nothing. It never does, for almost anything.
Also the new Elite X is 8 layer vs the old Elite AX being 6, and along with the other changes others have mentioned probably all adds to how it's supposedly better with memory OC. Backdrilling was another thing Buildzoid mentioned but I'm not familiar myself with what that is aside from supposedly being better for memory OC. Also the vrm is different, 16 90a phases vs 16 70a phases. The audio was also updated to the 1220, instead of the 897 on the old board. So yeah, actually pretty significantly a different board, more changes than what some others did for their refresh boards.
Yep Steve was seriously misinformed on this one. Pretty bad error imo
People were EXTREMELY disappointed with not having 10GB network on the original hero. Even after cancelling the Extreme and introducing the Dark Hero, they couldn't AT LEAST add the 10GB network... Very disappointing
I've been surprised to see the Gigabyte board at such low price and with a 10G port.
Usually, these ports are only available on 1000$+ boards but this one was only 530$USD. Again, imo, that's still super expensive.
If you need 10G, I'd say pick a 200$-ish board and buy a separate 10G network card that'll run you an extra 100$USD. You'll save 200$ over a stupid network port where anybody wants your wallet _and_ a kidney to get this single 10G port.
The reason why I went with the z690 master. 10Gb.
Agreed, even the Pro Art board has 10GB network and costs $200-250 LESS.
Asus had to cut corners somehow
Could you please make a comparison video with more budget-friendly MBs?
Gigabyte Z790 GAMING X AX, Gigabyte Z790 UD AX, Msi Z790 GAMING PLUS WIFI, ASRock Z790 Steel Legend WiFi, and so on?
Temps, power consumption, RAM support, stability, some productivity/gaming test, etc
A budget Mobo for what cpu? A 14900k? If you buy a 14900k, don't skimp. I do agree that a mid range board for a 14600k or 14700k would be a nice video as well even this many months later. Cheers!
You missed the ASRock Z790 Taichi Lite Board.. Best bang for buck board surely of the new ones
I absolutely love motherboard round up videos and I don't think one has been posted for a while so this is great
Really happy with the Z790 AORUS ELITE X WIFI7 I decided on. Has been a beast so far!
I am confused between aorus elite x z790 and MSI Tomahawk and Asus prime z790-A any recommendations ? for 13700k and 4080 thank you for the help
Why does the 14900K loose so much frequency when run at 250W? It seems like there is an issue with the voltage curve of the 14900K and it always runs at the same VCore regardless of PL2.
Expected behaviour would be that VCore is reduced and at 254W you should get something around 5.2GHz.
At 3.75GHz you usually have around 100W power consumption, not 250W.
No, its because those board are running on Intel`s base power after the boost at a mere 125w.
As Steve says, the messy part abt the Intel boards are there maybe 3 cofigurations out of the box, No Power Limit, 253w for both PL1 and PL2, and Intel Specs 125w and 253w.
@@相馬光好 16:00 The chart shows 3750MHz and around 250W package power. I think Steve is experienced enough to know how to correctly record HWInfo data and it is the same for several boards, so obviously not a typo.
Either there is something wrong with the CPU (bad voltage curve of some microcode mess) or he did the 1.3V VCore test before the regular one on ALL boards and forgot to set it back to default.
Would be nice to see more memory scaling benchmarks with these boards, a lot of them advertise 7600 mt/s out of the box.
Its all bullshit. No board besides the apex runs xmp 7600+
@@dvr1337 but what does that mean ? is that the only importing test needed to know what motherboards are good and bad ?
So do these boards support i9 14900k out of the box without bios update
What happened to the new Gigabyte Z790 Auros Pro X? I’m surprised it didn’t make the list since it’s a new refresh model.
Which of these motherboards will allow you to put more than one Nvme in them esp using the top one without sacrificing the GPU from 16 to 8 and I only want to use Gen 4 in them instead of gen 5 to save on the price
Just bought a z790 Hero from Amazon for 312 bucks...can't complain.
There's pretty much no reason to get anything else than Z690 and 12600K for 140$ or 12700K for 200$
13900k is better
@@j340_officialat heating your room.
@@HifeMan it’s not that bad, especially if you fine tune an undervolt, and have adequate cooling. Idles at 29 degrees and doesn’t get above 49 average in gaming. Of course there are occasional spikes into the 60s. What workloads are you utilizing that results in space heater temps ?
Try some 3D work to experience proper CPU temps 👍
2024 looking for a z790 mobile these power restrictions can be defeated in bios? Thanks
Gigabyte wifi 7 is an 8 layer pcb vs 6 for the Elite AX as well as a better layout in bios. So not the same just with wifi 7 and 14th gen compatibility.
i7 and i9 owners, how much *DID* you spend on your z690/z790 motherboard? (what model?)
I spend 200$ for my Z690
@@heickelrrxMuch appreciated.
220 here.
I picked up the z790 Nova at Microcenter because IMO it has flagship features for less than $300. Post code , power reset buttons , strong VRM, Memory OC reports are excellent if you look at some OC forums, 6 M.2 slots! And so on.. I also picked up a $65 MSI z690 A Pro D4 on that trip open box for "reasons." 😆
z690 Aorus Master ($590-ish AUD) cuz MSI decided to bump their z690 Carbon to $700+.
(I actually wanted MSI mobo to play with their bios as I have already have ASRock and Gigabyte Mobo.)
- Can't convince myself to buy MSI after sudden price hike and Asus always $200+ more expensive.
- Post code, USB real estate, physical buttons, fan hub, full audio, beefy heat sinks. (Quality of Life)
- Similar/better feature set as MSI. (Except missing HDMI port on Master)
- Bios easy to update with USB to 13th Gen.
Why not z790 Aorus Master?
- Absurd price premium for unreasonable upgrades/changes.
- Quick release button is nice, not $300 nice.
- Why pay for Gen 5 if Gen 4/3 is all you reasonably need?
- Downgraded audio hub.
- Looks almost the same mobo if you don't go into detail.
Where is the z790 all white mb from ASUS like with the Z690 Supreme?
It's a shame MSI ruined the MAG tomahawk board with Yellow text.
I would be interested in seeing if the comparable Z690 boards work just as well on these 14th processors considering you can find some at much lower prices.
They do kind of. There are 2 issues you may encounter. Same of the cheaper ones may be lacking in terms of power delivery albeit that only affects the i7 and i9 and second, many z690 cannot handle ddr5 above 6200 or so
Something's up here. It doesn't seem right that running with 250-280W power limits vs letting it run unlimited/thermally limited at 308-330W would result in a 1.5-1.8GHz difference in clock speed. I'd expect a few hundred points difference in the score and around 100MHz lower clocks.
The VRM of the Aorus Z790 Elite reaches 59 °C with an i9 14900K at 334 Watts. That's impressive when considering the price, which is €205 (inc. VAT) here in Europe.
no ROG Strix-e wifi ii sir?
10 years ago if you had told me people would be buying $600-700 and even $800+ motherboards for a gaming pc I wouldn’t have believed it. Those used to be high end WS board prices. The mobo can be the most expensive part of your build now unless you have a 4090.
sorry, but boards costing that much and selling enough to warrant making them is more than $10 years old - if anything, the board I am about to pay $280-new for right now is better today than the board I paid $350 for ten years ago.
anyway, of course influcencer focus on the pricy/overpriced crap and then try and tell you that $300-$500 cpus "need" them (they don't - and never will).
I'm planning to pair Gigabyte Z790M Aorus Elite with 14600k...will that be a good move??? Will the M-atx version perform as good as ATX version incase of overclocking & Vrm thermals
Yes it does
Even in case of 14600k you can go with gigabyte b760m aourus pro ax
Very good motherboard
Runs the processor at its full potential
Personal recommendation: I have used manual OC with static voltage and clocks for over a decade now. While boosting is nice, I prefer to instead limit the maximum speed to avoid hitting thermal throttling. This ensures consistent performance. Also, while the system may not be as fast as possible, the room doesn’t get as hot. Intel’s boosting behavior will consume every last watt for greatly diminishing returns in power, performance, and heat generation. The final benefit is also noise, because the fans don’t need to spin up to keep the system cool.
I thought you misspoke when you said the price of the AsRock nova board considering the features it has on it are comparable to the other boards which now cost $500. Nope, It's just that much cheaper. Unfortunately right now, the going price is around $330 being what I would consider a good deal as opposed to a true bargain at $270.
Which motherboard is best from a MS-7C91 (MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK MAX WiFi) for a new CPU of Ryzen 7 7800X3D? Looking for something that is compatible. Mid-range to high end
I'd much rather have a 10 GbE port than Wi-Fi 7. Wi-Fi to me on these expensive boards is totally absurd, especially if you FPS game.
Assuming you have an internet connection higher than 1Gb, you think a game is going to generate for than 1Gb of traffic? Unless you’re moving around big files, 10GbE is a waste too. Then look at the cost of a 10GbE switch, router/firewall.
@@luketurner9211 .. WiFi adds way, way too much latency and jitter from an irregular connection for competitive level FPS gaming. In other words teleporting and packet loss "marshmallow" bullets.
@@DJaquithFL , yes I know, I've been a network engineer for 20 years. My comment was around the wired connection. 10GbE is a nice touch, but its overkill and not required for gaming. While I wouldn't use WIFI for gaming, it is still used on a lot of machines where people cannot get a cable to their machines.
@@luketurner9211 .. I can't think of anyone who would spend that much money on ASUS's top-tier motherboards (psst I'm one of them with an ROG Extreme) who would ever whip out their Wi-Fi over an ethernet port. However, people spending that kind of money on that motherboard absolutely are the type of people that are going to want to have a fast Ethernet port if for nothing else back up to a NAS.
CPU-Z tnx299
Was just looking for this yesterday shocked that you guys hadn't made one already.
haha yeah sorry about the delay. Intel 700 series boards and AM5 landing at around the same time was brutal :D
@@Hardwareunboxed Yeah, no worries. Better late than never, considering you're the only ones who do this.
@@Hardwareunboxed Hey, while I'm here I got a question. Do you think you guys could do CPU+GPU bottleneck testing comparisons for a set budget? Let's say you're building a PC $1500 USD if I get a i3 13400, and a 4070Ti would I be better off than if I got a 14600k and I 4060 for example. Or, if I had an older PC how far could I spend on a GPU before I upgrade my CPU? All normal benchmarks separate this aspect for proper testing. But in the real world the limit is usually the budget. So seeing how low you can go on the CPU before you run into issues would be interesting. I'd guess the main issues would show up at 1080p. I think you technically did a video like this before (3600 + 3080), but an update would be nice. Hardware Canucks also did a video like this. If I explained what I meant horribly it was called "4090 trashes older ryzen cpus" I guess the easiest way to test would be to just run the all CPUs with different priced GPUs that way the data can be universal for anyone's budget. Would certainly be an insane amount of work though.
The new Aorus Elite X has better audio codec and it's an 8 layer pcb instead of 6 which could help with memory oc
Between the msi tomahawk max and the asus tuf pro which one would you chose?
dont get the msi tomahawk.. i have the non max version.. it just died completely. research online shows its a common problem with this board..
If I didn't already have a Z790 board I'd be taking a hard look at that Asrock phantom gaming board, nice feature set for the money.
Do you know anything about new AM5 boards? Lack of 1 DPC boards is killing me.
Great informative video! Do you plan on making one comparing RX 7800 XT models?
I don't understand why you would do extensive testing but not provide clock speeds and cinebench scores. It's one thing to criticize certain boards due to shipping with intel power limits by default, it's another to not show how that's relevant.
Clock speeds were provided.........
Funny and ASROCK improved while MSI fell of in chart when they used to chart leaders in the past...
elite x has different mosfets, audio codec also
Hi Steve...can u suggest to me an entry-level GPU for Ryzen 3600 or 5600...I have a very tight budget...thanks in advance...& love from India...🙏
wondering if these boards that offer the Thunderbolt 4 connectivity have the same limitations as the ASUS Z790 Pro Art Creator board which will not run USB-3.2 and 'only allows actual Thunderbolt signal. Seems like a bit of crookery from ASUS 'and' any motherboard boasting full TB4 processing. ???
Other than the ASRock models these boards are laughably poorly priced. I don't know who should buy that?
Thanks for this video. I am in the market for a motherboard pairing with i5 13500. I need a PC for work mostly (graphic design and photography) and I am not doing OC. I ask you for an opinion about a system without a video card. My monitor is a 4k, 60Hz, (Adobe RGB-99%, DCI_P3-99%) 27 inch. Also I do printing quite often. I need WiFi because I can't wire my computer to the modem. Consistency is my goal. I was looking at Asus ProArt motherboards. What to seek in a motherboard for my needs? Thank you.
GIGABYTE AORUS ELITE X WIFI7 or ROG STRIX Z790-E (the prev version) for 14700K, which would you take? I have been using ASUS for years but the thermals on the AORUS are impressive
Im torn between the two
@@cstrike105i got the Aorus Wifi7 and its an awesome motherboard
Go for gigabyte
For as long as i can remember, Intel boards are much better aesthetically than amd boards.
Would you be interested in doing some full system power draw lineups? im very interested in some controlled data with the best possible tuning to tame idle power, single core load and all core load and see what cpu's and boardd com bos are the best. idle power costs a absolute fortune these days and can results in hundreds of bucks over the years so its very much interestring to see some controlled data.
I'm really interestedin the 7800X3D but the idle draws i see compared to intel keep me from buying it. Im curious how much of a gain there is to be had when tuning and the same goes for intel rigs. my system is on 10 to 14 hours a day but i only game a few hours the rest is light loads and if i compare some random data from amd vs my 9900k my 9900k is absurdly efficient compared to amd options this gen. (full system (case only) idle of 32 watts with extra fans and lights).
Im assuming you dont pay power bills if you think the idle power draw of a modern pc is costing you 100s of dollars. I can guarantee you the actual load power draw isnt costing you anywhere close to that much even.
Are these results because of the Gigabyte z790 Aorus having 8-layer PCB? Do any of these other models have 8 layer PCB?
The ASRock Nova is 8 layer.
7:07 msi z790 tomahawk max wifi
did they fix the ethernet issue or just leave it as is and broken/unusable?
if you get one, they are a pretty good board, but buy a $12-15 ethernet card so you don't have to rely on the slower wifi.
thanks for the advice. He also forgot that the MAX has a header for the MSI Thunderbolt expansion card now. I'm unsure what to pick.... the MSI Pro Z790-A MAX Wifi makes a lot of sense but it's more expensive than the normal non-max Tomahawk and its lowest slot is x1 whereas the Tomahawk models have the lowest slot as x4. The other slots will be covered by the Graphics Card.... I am hesitant of the Tomahawks as it uses a lot of extra controllers (for example ASMedia) making it unneccessarily complicated
Hey, little late to the party, but do you happend to know if there are also problems with the board when using ethernet? Because I am thinking about buying this board but I am prob not gonna use the wi-fi.
All the WiFi at so called Pro-Boards is total BS!
If you are a Pro, you have a professional network in your work-/living-place and you don't need/want WiFi at your desktop-pc-mainboard.
The same for audio at pro-mainboards; what you just need is a digital audio-output like HDMI. Everything else is BS, because if you are a Pro, you have a real professional or even high-end sound processor like an av-receiver for your audio.
All these shenanigans you don't really need as a pro-user, are totally waste!
Check your head for injuries before posting comments. There are PLENTY of professionals who are ok/don't need wired networking. Not everybody works with tens or more of gigabytes and not everybody needs the very low latency. Just look at the horde of Macbook users.
Pro boards need better and separated audio usb ports
@@Hetsu..
Interesting point, can you go in the details of it?
@@Shelldamage As the biggest audio snob, ive invested in alot of audio equipment and i connect them to my pc. "richer" audio snobs will use dedicated streamers that are designed for clean audio output because pc usb audio is very noisy. Youll see people complain sometimes that their usb dongle dac buzzes when connected to a pc but not to their phone. Thats because most motherboards and pc's in general radiate insane amounts of emi/rfi and dont care about audio in general. There used to be motherboards with dedicated usb ports powered be their own seperate usb hub, but those have gone the way of the dodo cuz people use think "get a dedicated dac". But they dont realize that said dac still connects to your pc via the dirty usb ports.
The ASrock Nova looks realy great. Im not sure why ASrock didnt include a BIOS Flashback Function. Thats a disappointment. Would be my go to Board since it offers a real Debug LED and not just Indicator LEDs.
Do you really need to update BIOS on a dead platform?
@@GewelReal Do you like havin unfixed security problems? Do you wish getting better memory support? Havin fixed other types of Bugs? Regardless if a plattform turns EOL you want BIOS Upgrades. Thats one reason why AM4 still does so well.
Platform only dead when you quit using it
You can still update bios without a button. The button is mainly of use if you don’t have a supported cpu to boot with. But it should support every cpu for the socket already.
@@AndoXD2448 Dude im not stupid. Bios Flashback CAN recover a corrupted BIOS. So if you brick the board for waht ever reason then Bios Flashback might bring it back to life. Its hard to flash a BIOS if the Board doesnt turn on because of a bricked BIOS.
Was about to get the Tomahawk Max till i saw this. Probably hit up Gigabyte now. Thanks guys great vid as usual
Not broken down by price like the x670e?
can you include boot time also? Please
You really shouldnt review vrms on temperature. Better voltage regulation comes with inherent efficiency loss so youre encouraging performance regression in the actual job of the vrm. You also dont seem to lock vrm switching or active phases do the more a vrm gimps those the better theyll look in reviews. There is also the fact that vrm temperature doesnt play any role besides vrm lifespan (of which theyll generally last over a decade at well over 100c at the mosfets where the temps are monitored snd derived from). Unlike a cpu or gpu which is using a pretty on edge voltage for a node where it'll degrade rapidly at a given temp and needs to throttle and that throttling means less data calculated, a vrm doesnt pass data or meet any of those reasons why throttling exists on the cpu or gpu.
I got the Z790-A Gaming WiFi II and this was pretty nice to see
These refreshed boards are nice but given that the 14th gen is the end of the line for lga1700, I personally will skip the refresh and wait to see what the next generation lga1851 boards have to offer.
I also use thunderbolt equipment so that limits my choices. Good video.
@@tilapiadave3234 exactly 14th gen should meteor lake not raptor lake refresh aka 13901k
hurrr durr let me use "dead platform" talking points - hey news flash, Intel only lets two, maybe three cpu gens/"gens" per socket, so what are you even on about? Also, for anyone not buying 14t5h gen chips, wich is most people, this is not dead for them.
you amd fanboys who sometimes pretend to be something else need new talking points - if intels actions in this regard mattered that much, they wouldnt have the market share they unfortiantly have.
@@xBINARYGODx I have the z690 formula my friend with a 13900k. So from my perspective, advising anyone on older silicon considering upgrading to z790, I would say to skip z790 and wait for z890 and arrow lake. Z890 will be a Newer platform with more pcie lanes directly attached to the cpu, with ability to run at least 1 nvme 5.0 drive and the GPU at 16x simultaneously, perhaps thunderbolt 5, WiFi 7, and most likely 1, if not cpu 2 upgrades.
When arrow lake and nova lake arrive the ipc increases will be very attractive compared to raptor lake, and so I don’t think it’s wise for people to spend their money on these dead-end boards unless they absolutely have to. If these boards supported arrow lake, then my opinion would be different and I would say full steam ahead. But they’re dead end so, so it’s not wise to waste your time.
@@xBINARYGODxatleast intel got m2 5.0 while amd still lives in the past.
I ended up picking up a rog strix gaming a 2 along with a white case and ram by accident making an extremely nice looking pc with a white colour scheme.
What’s Iintel’s use case over AMD right now?
None
Cash sink?
They can supply enough chips for OEM and Laptop, which AMD has failed at, repeatedly.
@@richardhunter9779Does this look like a channel for people buying OEM builds? lol I couldn’t care less about OEM supply. :P
Well that's a new test I haven't heard of, Cinebench R32? 😁😁
What about NZXT Z790?
I find myself wondering how much of this power limit gobbledygook applies to my Z690 AsRock Taichi DDR5 board with a 13700K.
Wow, firstly congratulations to 1 Million subscribers.
Did you mean PL1 unlocked instead PL2? Because PL falls back to PL1 after 56 seconds.
Some more ideas for testing:
1) DDR speeds possible
2) Boot speed with different options: Fast Boot & Windows Fast Boot + unchecking unnecessary boot devices (USB stick, SATA etc.)
3) M.2 speeds
4) USB speeds. Maybe also with multiple at once
5) WiFi/LAN speeds. I guess not all use Intel (?)
First i used the 14900k on a Tomahawk DDR4 and the XTU stress tests were failing, now with Z790 Dark Hero no problems.
Having PL1=PL2=253W lets run the CPU max at 210-220W with lower clock speeds, while having 288W limit (Tomahawk) it pulled up to 288W with higher clockspeeds. It is trange that it doesn’t hits at standard Intel limits the PL. I have a game that can push the CPU to over 200W. If the game performs better if i maybe set 300W PL1 & PL2 or unlimited? Because there is the invisible wall of 210-220W at Intel PL. Dark Hero has PL1 253W and PL2 unlimited.
Can you test 4 ram stick with 14700k please
Asrock is doing well for AMD and Intel nowadays. It's good to see them back in form.
Steve had done it again, great review much appreciated!
Regardless of the results, I personally will never buy new Mobo from Gigabyte again, I bought z 690 and the coil whine was a real problem to deal with.
bye bye upgradeable internal card using pci-e x1. Most MB has now one slot / can use one card. Some hi end / flagship even does not have it. All has been replace for M2. Is there any modern way to add internal card non GPU without using pci-e X1?
Meanwhile amd still has no pci-e 5.0 m2?
So what MB can you get if you want to run CPU at Intel 14900k with Video Card GF RTX4080 and a Gen5 NVMe...seems all MB if you use a Gen5 NVM the Graphics card slot drops from 16 pin to 8 pin which If I am correct that make the video card under perform up to 50%....Am I correct in saying that ?
No, your card doesn't use all of that bandwidth and if you even saw a 5% difference I would be shocked. In other words it doesn't matter.
Graphics card slot drops from 16 pin to 8 pin, ANY EFFECT?
For a 14700K is a B760 gaming plus from MSI fine ? Oc is impossible to do on modern Intel processors anyway
Don't buy a K sku unless you plan on tinkering in the BIOS. Wait for the standard 14700 or spend a little more and get a Z-series board. You'll likely regret buying an unlocked processor and putting it on a locked down board. The best part (at least for me) of Intel systems is the overclocking/tuning.
B760 Gaming Plus MSi - for 14700k - bad choice. For 14700k from MSI B760 - minimum B760 Mortar 2 or B760 Tomahawk. Better add some money and buy PRO Z790 A MAX WiFi, but be careful - this motherboard have some problem with WiFi on Win10.
Msi z790 pro a max wifi is that good motherboard @@01AMIR09
I went for the Nova
I ordered mine this weekend. How are you liking it?
Waiting for the B760 motherboards roundup.
It is sad that Gigabyte tries to hide all the features on their new boards and charge more for their white boards and give you less. It is the same with AMD x670e/B650 boards as they sell you the same name boards and add Ice and X and lower the PCB layers to 6. Gigabyte hides their features like ALC897 Codec audio and just call it High Def. and force you to find it somewhere in all their Docs. Gigabyte has no problem showing the ALC 1220 Codec in the main description. The Pro X would have been the perfect board if done the right way Like M.2 gen 5 and PCIe Gen 5 but they didn't and they still charge way to much just to get white. The Gigabyte Pro X looks great but they now kimit you to M.2 Gen 5 OR PCIe 16x but you don't get both and I don't call that a upgrade for the price. All the board Companies make the latest board and make them the same or cheaper and CHARGE YOU MORE. The sad part is they add WI Fi7 and you can buy and install it for $43 and they chatge $100's and you get nothing more.
Can’t understand why Apex Encore is not in the comparison. It’s cheaper than the dark hero and the only one on capable of run real +8200 MT/s. The dark and all other 4 dimms (2DPC) barely can do 7400/600. The dark it’s a scam.
I cannot find the intel defatults on my MSI Tomahawk B760 for the life of me. My poor 14700kf will just eat wattage to 100celcius in microseconds
I green,
You green,
He/She greens,
But, Is UGREEN green?
Is there a motherboard that has a 5g ethernet port? sorry noob question
What is the best cheapest Motherboard for a 14700 / 14900k paired with 6000 DDR5 Memory? I do just Game...no OC or Benchmarking. I just want Wifi. Also i dont need z790. I thought about ASRock B760 Pro RS WiFi, is that a good option?
@@garrusvakarian8709 You can't get intel's stability. That is why most of the pros go with i9 even with x3d beating it.
i asked for a motherboard and you recommend me a whole other product ...thank you anyways :D@@garrusvakarian8709
@@yuvanraj2271 "the pros" usualy have paid sponsorships to say whater the script says. If you just game the 7800X3D is just better....and probably just as if not more "stable" while using less energy.
For purely gaming go with a midrange asus/msi or asrock board and save some money on the cpu 14th gen.is just a 13th gen Rebrand. Theres NO preformance inprovements worth the asking price.
@@yuvanraj2271just give the 7800x3d like 1.45v on the cpu (thats what intel does) and it will be stable and just as power hungry as the intel one. Intel doing a bulldozer moment only pumping more voltage and watts into their CPUs
God, the price and selection of motherboards these days are insane. What an absolute shit show.
I grabbed my Asus ROG Strix-F Z390 board when it was new for $249. This board was the second highest in the Strix lineup back then, only surpassed by the Strix-E.
My 9700k was also only $330. Brand new.
The (artificial) inflation on PC hardware is a god damn insult.
pandemic ruined everything and everyone
B760 motherboard compression 😊
Godlike should be 2 dimm only
Ever since i saw your series some years ago about motherboards, I always wait for reviews about boards before making a choice. So important getting the right board from the get go
this is not ecen close to a review, its basically just reading spec sheet and talking about it - service to be sure (having to do it yourself as I do can be a pain, or it can be ADD heaven), but this is not a review, not even close.
Where'd Unify-X go? Sad
Why haven't you mentioned the ram and their speeds?
There should be a part 2 of this which shows us what the max ram speed of each board is and up to how many sticks of ram as there is a lot of false claims in the industry right now that we need to set clear.
You showed that there are 4 sticks of ram on the test bench but didn't mention what the speed of the ram was.
They are testing VRM....
On thinking about this further, "false claims in the industry". Look at the QVL and see what it supports. Lol.
No MSI Z790 CARBON MAX?
I think ill go with the asrock nova it looks cool :)
Did Steve time travel for the voice recording? Cinebench R32? Dang dude
It is amazing to see such a big, 30C, difference in temperatures. I think if Cinebench scores were reported, the boards with the highest temperatures would have slightly higher performance. Also had you the ability to measure noise, the fan noise and temperature would correlate quite nicely. To really see the difference in quality of the boards, each of the boards would have to be set up exactly the same using the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility. Using core frequency can be misleading because a thread on a high frequency core will cause that core to overheat and the thread will be moved to a cooler core. This movement of the thread takes time but does no useful work.
Using the older version of the Aorus Master, I did an under frequency, under voltage, set the turbo boost time to 1 second, and set a power limit of 260 watts on a 13900K, and still got a 30 minute Cinebench 23 score of over 40000 while Furmark was running on a 4090 GPU.
Great video I congrats you for it, there is really not much information out there for new Z790. But I am gonna correct you because you not check previous boards actually they not same VRM many of previous versions is 12+1+1 those from midrange z790, now new boards are 16+1+1 they got better VRM
this, while I wont comment on 12+1+1 upgrades - many of the mid-range fresh boards got features that were previously only for high end like layers to 8 and top ram speeds, and as you said, better power delivery.
or rather, many mid-range board that cost a good price are giving you the features they should, which 590 and 690 most certainly did not.
gigabyte seems to be best choice for intel 12gen and up
15:05 It's incredible how Steve has access to such unavailable benchmarks such as Cinebench R32 :P reviewer life
any 4 memory slot motherboard should just be skipped for 14th gen, you can run 8000xmp with a asus apex encore and it pumps performance by alot, the 4 slots boards you are lucky if you hit 7600..
Most people should not go for 8000 memory, which is likely to cause instability and is expensive. The actual performance improvement is also limited.
Quad slot DDR5 boards are a waste for most people regardless. It's possible to get 96GB total capacity with just two sticks. 2x16GB is the most common DDR5 capacity. Quad slot boards should be reserved for workstation users who need more than 96GB of RAM. Currently quad slot just harms max speeds that can be achieved.
@@Raivo_K I agree
Why gigabyte can't put 2.1 hdmi port ? that's why I don't buy it
What about a B760 round up? :D
When it comes to NVIDIA and Intel you always have this snarky vibe and can't help but throw in jabs every chance you get. This is very obvious and it's a poor show of character for a reviewer to carry such bias in every review/video. Just my observation.
Well, somehow it's fitting, isn't it? Refreshed boards that barely offer anything new but are more expensive? That fits the overall theme of Intel's 14th "gen" perfectly!
They probably had an executive meeting along the lines of "hey, Intel's getting away with screwing everyone over - let's get going and do the same!"
"Truth or dare"
"Okay uhmmm... Intel! I dare you to release the same exact cpu buuut.. with a 100mhz bump as 14th gen."
"Okay uhmmm... Mobo manufacturer! I dare you to release the same exact motherboards buuut... with wifi 7."
*Nvidia has joined the chat
I propose drinking game, every time Steve says "same" you drink... and hopefully don't need to get alcohol pumped out by the end of the video... :-D
27 times, cya in hell :D
Hats off to the engineers though, all these mobos look incredible aesthetically.
That's the work of the designers I think but yeah all boards look good