INSANE FOLD at the Super High Roller Bowl - Old School VS New School Poker Analysis Episode 5
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Welcome back to Episode 5 of the Old School VS New School Analysis series. This week we're looking at a hand where I'm considering making a big laydown after turning the nut straight. This hand was from Super High Roller Bowl V where I was battling with all the Wizards.
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It would be really interesting if you would analyze an older hand that you misplayed at the time based on your old school thinking that you would probably play correctly today.
+1
Maybe he was tilted at that time so couldn't make correct read 🤣
@@fajarkurniawan6199 That would be cool to see also. So far it's been all hands he either won or played correctly; hoping he chooses some he lost or played incorrectly.
He responded to similar comments saying he's looking for a hand like this. Hopefully the next vid :)
@@fajarkurniawan6199 pemain poker ya mas?
Keep up the hand analysis videos! Really unique and educational poker content
I have nothing particularly intelligent or original to say, just leaving this humble lilttle comment of mine as a symbol of gratitude for the content I've been edutained with for the last years.
It is amazing how we, poker aficionados, are so blessed with this guy's liking to talk.
I love this kind of old school and then new school analysis! Keep it up!
These old vs. new analyses have been one of the most educational you’ve put out. Very helpful. Thx.
I remember watching that hand, and I too was amazed you found a fold. I really enjoyed this video, really eye opening and educational.
Dude, this Old School vs New School stuff is so awesome. I love it. Makes me excited about Poker again, and it actually helps well to make sense of all the conflicting information out there. Thank you, Daniel!
You are clearly one of the greats of all time.
Keep improving and educating and you may be overwhelmingly considered the all time great.
Daniel, dude! This Old School VS New School Poker series is awesome. I caught myself craving for the next episode a few times. Keep it up!
Can't ask for a better explanation .. Love it!
Love your videos, they are so useful to anyone trying to learn the game. You break down the thought process required for each hand. Optimal play is great when you have players at the same level battling it out but it's not the only tool required in live poker.
It's so great to get a piece of your mind. The way you calculated in both the Old School and new School Ways was just brilliant. Many would have been tempted to call with the straight. But the way you realised that an Over bet made his chances of having a good hand much more than a bad hand was absolutely brilliant. Wow!!!
What an awesome analysis. Thank you, Daniel.
Thanks to your help my friends will think i'm a beast. been a fan of yours for years man! poker is awesome
Great Video. One of my leaks now is underfolding and this is a great example of a spot where I'm doing it. Your note that in this specific situation (low connected paired board), your worst counterfeited two pair become your best bluff candidates is so good and helpful, though at the level I play at I don't think I'll be able to put it to use quite yet.
This such a great video Daniel, really nailed the obvious lay down and will surely help my game.
A slight twist to this format is a video on what would have gone through through your head if your opponent was a top 10 player. Like, if Phil made that over-bet, you wouldn't think he made a mistake in considering his own range. Would you have folder against Phil, or would you have thought he knew you would want to fold, so you bet.
The mind games at the final table must be insane.
D Negs, you are, without a doubt, my favorite player. You seem to come up with some of the sickest reads I've ever seen in the history of poker. I absolutely love these videos to see how your mind works in these scenarios. All of it makes perfect sense here. Very informative, and easy to understand.
He didnt even bet/fold, he just x/folded to a large bet. Dnegs truly a class act.
I love your videos about folding, because for me is the hardest thing in poker. Many times I call when I know that the rival has better hand, just for see if I was right, and it's really hard to fold a good hand
I've been a critic of yours on and off over the years.
But that nerd face "so I raised under the gun" had me in tears. So funny.
Daniel's been describbing rocky 3 for a long time to explain always being a student of poker.I always looked at it this way for anything.Cant wait for another tourney stream😊
Your analysis and offering of these two perspectives are so unique and valuable. It's sick that we get to watch you play and read people under the gun but then do it after the fact. It's just great all around
What I really respect is that u really took effort 2 understand the new ways of poker and definetly more analyzing ways👍
I never knew you had a TH-cam channel. You were always my favorite in the world series of poker when I used to watch it on ESPN back in 2005 2006
I totally enjoyed this video. I learned so much just from this video. Please continue to release more videos like this. Thank you.
Super insightful! Thank you!
Amazing fold ! The skill you are showing here is not less than brilliant 👏
I love you, Daniel. Brilliant analysis as ever.
I really struggle to fold, often when I know (and declare!) that I should.
I'm going to use this video to help me fold when folding is the right thing to do.
Thank you.
Best one yet. Thanks for the video
Thx for all you do brother! You are a true inspiration to many! You don't need to do anything yet you not only play but you help others with your analysis and tips!
Missing these breakdowns! Hope there's more coming soon. Cheers
Only just got into playing poker properly and videos like these really help me to understand and improve my decision making and how to work out what my opponents have. Thanks Daniel 👍
Dude, after watching about 7000 poker videos, I think I am finally learning something
Great one! : D
You've taught me so much. I'm buying your masterclass Brother. TY for sharing your knowledge and teaching us for free! TY.
Another excellent analysis. Hope I can remember when I am in a similar situation. Thanks again for sharing.
Running this through the sim, Mikita's play is actually GTO approved on all streets. Though it prefers either 2/3psb or allin on the river with 99 it still does 1.5psb with some frequency. And facing the 1.5psb GTO sim thinks all Tx hands are a pure call in Daniel's spot
Not sure what to make of this. But characterizing Daniel's play as an exploitative adaption to a non-GTO bet sizing seems wrong?
The spot is probably quite underbluffed so as an exploitative move the fold is probably correct or at least not bad against most players. If daniel is struggling to come up with bluffs with all this time to think about the hand it is reasonable to think most players will have a similar problem. But yeah you have to assume your opponent isn't balanced here, and if you are playing a GTO bot the hand is just too strong to fold.
Love from Canada Dnegs
Really love this video Daniel!👍
Great breakdown, really enjoyed this. Thanks Daniel
JUMPIN JELLYBEANS! Seems like everyone is digging these 'old school vs new school" videos. I reckin you got yourself a home run. You-all catch me down yonder, I'm fixin to watch the whole kit n kaboodle.Finally using your head for more then a hatrack. All kidding aside, very creative and you really are the right person to do these videos. Top notch, buddy.
Nice fold. Another important thing is that he checked back turn, as he would with 2 pair or a set. If he has a bluff I expect him to continue his story on the turn.
Correct. He would check two pair and a set obviously, but if he had QJ or KQ you would expect a turn bet. Good catch.
These are great Daniel! Allows me to adjust my thinking by throwing in that river sizing. Interesting!
The last point is really prescient, had you called everybody would have said it's just a bad beat and got on with their lives. But thinking about the game at a deeper level allows you to understand the bluster behind 'bad beat bro' covering up for a lot of mistakes.
Good stuff. Great analysis at the end of your actions vs different sized river bets.
glad to see that SM7B being put to good use. I work for Shure and we have had a crazy awesome increase on product sales for the SM7B. Awesome!
I imagine demand went up when literally everyone on earth bought one. I have two. Thanks Rogan.
Dnegs is a fucking genius... Don't care what anybody says about him, his poker acumen is 2nd to none & he's been able to adjust and thrive in this "New school" of poker. The guy started playing in the 90's when poker strategies were completely different (and honestly, pretty rudimentary). Props to Daniel... He's always been one of my favorite players
Love the t-shirt sayings!
Saw someone the other day with a "now youse can't leave" t-shirt
Great analysis, keep them coming like this.
Yup, I really dig the old school vs. new school analysis style, just like most people in the comments. Thanks!
You're the master Mr. Negreanu! Love these vids.
That was great.
Awesome poker content. Please keep this series going!!
Still as much a legend today as you were all those years when i first saw you playing on TV and decided to start playing myself.
Great analysis 👍 i would of called there 100% for what its worth
Daniel It's just amazing how good you became after that Doug Polk HU thing. Bravo!
Regarding this flop spot, I think JTs is not the worst on this board since those small suited Ax are far worse and also KQo have far less equity on this texture.
However it is correct that our bets should be more equity driven here. So JTs makes perfect sence to bet. I do believe we should play rather tight here as OOP since Nikitas range is much stronger/tighter than ours.
Love the new series "Old School vs. New School", Daniel! Keep up the great work and see you at this year's WSOP!!!
“How to decrease your bad beat range”
Far better to call with 10 9 and 10 8 in this spot than 10 J. Perhaps you only have 10 9 suited combos so call with them and medium/small boats and fold everything else apart from 67 suited which would be a great check/raise river bluff candidate to balance out your best boats and quads ... very cool hand!
Incredible analysis
well said
Dude this was such a siiiiccckkkkk fold! Great breakdown man, this is next level
Good one
Daniel I really wish you’d stop doing such a great job at educating the masses on modern poker theory lol
I've done this many times and people call me crazy when I say I folded bottom boat or a straight on a paired board. What I did to figure it out was what Daniel is talking about. You play the hand back in your head, give them their ranges and frequencies. On the river you have a very specific group of ranges.
Once I flopped a bottom boat and the paired card was trips on the board by the river. The 90 year old villain bet 1/6th pot on the river right after he looked up at the high hand board. I had position - Action went XB(overpot)C(rest folded), BRC (3 flush), B and I folded. The forums thought I was nuts for folding for a 1/6th pot. But is old man coffee really betting anything but quads there into me or maybe middle boat? He has zero bluffing range and would never bet a flush. "Did I get the high hand?" as he showed quads lol.
So yea just because it looks like pots odds justify a call in some situations you can figure out their range and justify a fold like this. One caveat though.... vs a maniac you just close your eyes and call. You can't read his hand. You just value range yours.
Very good fold … I had 88 floors aq8 of clubs I called all in against a flush on the flop busted in 13 first tourney
Awesome video!
Funny negrano. This was one of your Best videos. 👍
"what do you want from my life phil?" hehehe. from the 2nd match about 3/4 of way point.
New School has improved my game, I know I'm nowhere near your level
Hand break down + thinking about ranges
What I love about poker I'm always learning
Funny watching Daniel imitate a nerd. Speaks to the new generation. What do you think Doyle thought of Daniel when he was younger?
i believe this is just in your range of showdowns. then now u have a better read checking or min bet folding.
12:13 other than having Tx what other hand would you do check raise with? I dont know if utg has bluffs where you can balance it with those value hands, thus check call is usually the play. This is my logic. Maybe im missing something.
but should you have bet big on the turn when you made the straight to increase your chances of dodging a full house?
I fucking love you so much Daniel; you're so funny to watch and I would kill to lose in a game of poker with you. Keep up the great videos!
Great stuff, as always
You're the best!
Dude Daniel is my sport animal been a fan for over 20 years watched him win his third bracket!!!
Hi Daniel big fan here, i’ve Besen learning a lot from you, thanks, also could you make a vídeo about progression? What should i be pursuing.
Small steaks tables, small tournaments this kinda stuff, thank you again for your lessons 😊
Great video
You the man Dan!
I find it interesting that you wouldn't put in a strong bet on the turn to take down the pot right there? That seems the most obvious move considering you have the nuts, and checking there only gives your opponent the advantage to see a free card and fill up? Win now vs maybe win more?
Daniel - how do you feel about the value overbet? I’ve used it successfully, but also have a looser image so get called more often by thinner hands
Eliminating the middling hands as "the lone t" here... which I obviously correct here... are you trying to construct a more dense and also wider range for yourself in the future?
Not betting JT on river is really weird... he will check AA - JJ with some relief... we get called Tx and maybe 5x... if he had A8 with bdfd, we get called by that... but Dnegs made a pure class fold.
The only thing i would like to see differently is you live smaller screan and the old school pictures bigger....I have a hard time seeing them on my phone...love the show!
Really appreciate the breakdowns, I feel I learn a lot from getting in your head. I realise I play pls school mindset, not that there is anything wrong with that lol
Great vid Daniel! I love this Old School New School format!
Mega stuff DNegs !
Great video!!!
So, would you say his GTO play should have been to bet 1/4 pot on river? Also...it would be cool if you could put up “solver” screen shots as you go along.
Cool hand, really interesting spot
It might be a nice idea to do split screen old/new that pauses at each stage to compare styles pre flop to preflop etc, I think it might be easier to compare than remember what you had said for old-school 10 min later also you wouldn't have to recap old school while discussing new school. Love the series idea though
If u ran this spot in PIO, its a range check for utg OTF. Just too many offsuit broadway hands to justify cbeting, which drops OOPs EV. IPs EV OTF is much higher.
high level thinking makes me happy.
Legendary hand!
Yo DNEGS analyze a hand from the 2009 heads-up tournament against Vanessa Rousso!! So interested in seeing what you were thinking and how that changes with the new school play.
It’s ok to get old Daniel
Thank you for the content!!!! Maybe run some short stack sims, eh?
I go broke in that hand 100% of the time, with or without New v. Old. I would get it all in on the turn (to protect my hand) get called from behind, by the set, knowing he is beat by a straight, drawing to a set without a doubt, guy would then utter, "Call, I knew you had a straight, nice hand, pair the board" and blammo. Then apologize for getting it in ugly and jinxing me on purpose with the "nice hand" remark. Neverfails😂