I absolutely snorted at that - not only the Sun Titans, but also Hall of Heliod's Generosity, Academy Ruins and Archaeomancer getting flickered repeatedly.
You could tell from the moment the Tivit deck played a T1 Mana Vault that these decks were not operating on equal footing. Now, 1 card itself does not make a deck inherently more powerful than any others, but the Vault was indicative of the rest of the game. Yes, there were opportunities for the other 3 players to interact more meaningfully with the Tivit player earlier, but it then started playing incredible levels of fun police against an already lower power board. I was interested to see what He Who Hungers could do, expecting the deck to built for a specific level considering the general narrowness of the card, and then it gets paired up with a functionally Fringe power deck, with all manner of fast mana and free interaction. Up to roughly the 13 minute mark, this was an intriguing game, but after that it was incredibly monotonous and that's unfortunate, because I really like Tivit and I really like Esper in general. There just seemed to be little consideration from the Tivit player of what else was at the table.
Not really the point I was making here, financial cost of the cards in the deck don't directly translate to the power level. The point is that Tivit is a strong modern commander-focused design commander, giving you access to 3 strong colour, provides repeated ramp and draw. This is then supported with a large array counter and interaction spells (some of which are free), recursion with a blink package, and fast mana spells. The He Who Hungers player could have a deck also worth $2000, but the inherent strategy isn't as powerful, is narrow in scope and is in a single colour. The decks were unbalanced, not because of the financial cost, but because they operate on different levels of strategic gameplan, and then the stronger commander also played a higher overall quality of card on top of that.
I was thinking the same thing pretty much. The Tivit deck is designed specifically to outvalue other new and powerful decks. Against older thematic decks, this is like bringing that gun to the knife fight, especially with the counter spell recursion and flickering of the archeomancer, on-top of the multiple Sun Titans and tutors. I saw this win coming a mile away. The only thing I could see missing from the deck was some repeatable life gain, but that may just have been luck of the draw that didn't fetch any up.
I would say that yes he was definitely in the advantage for most of the time but his opponents kept putting cards in his graveyard. When Ben got milled for 30 cards with two sun titans and an archaomancer that gave him the win. He def had better cards than the others but I think his opponents just fumbled bad. Run grave hate folks!
Glad to see a fellow Tivit go off but hoo boy only the He Who Hungers player recognized the threat. Surprised Brion didn't use Sunforger more to find an answer to Archaeomancer with its trigger on the stack (Swords, Path to Exile, etc.)
I got a similar feeling last saturday, when one of the players was bringing way overpowered decks to the table... the only game that lasted long enough to be fun was the one where he got terrible draws.
Ben deck is definitely a 7 power level. Seriously though, it's basically a handful of cards away from being a cedh list. Can't say I dislike high power lists, just prefer when it's against decks that are on the same level; I'm a bit disappointed to how much fun police it did when I was so excited to see what the other 3 decks were going to do.
7 is an adequate assessment, but Ben's deck is very far from a cEDH list and would struggle mightily at a high powered table. Tivit is a strong engine, but looking at his list, he sort of just go lucky with the fast start. His decklist doesn't really have a win-con outside of "I am going to out value you" and looks relatively slow. This was more of a "T1 Mana Crypt/Vault/Sol Ring" game and poor threat assessment by the rest of the table issue.
I agree that Ghired is more combat-oriented, while Trostani has more room for utility. But Ghired has red, of course, so it can be done. I was trying Muddstah's old list from way back when on XMage and ended up through a convoluted chain of events winning a game with 12 tokens of a flying infect creature. So that inspired me to try and make a Ghired token infect deck.
First video in a long time that I have no interest in finishing. Hope everyone playing had a blast, but this was awful to watch. Look forward to the next video, you do great work.
@@TCG9777 As others have pointed out in their comments, there seemed to be a powerlevel discrepancy between the Tivit deck and the rest. It's been a week since I started this video and I don't exactly remember the tipping point for me personally. Can games of archenemy be fun in a pod, sure, but they are just as likely to be dull for one or more players (let alone an outside observer). Tivit, to me, seemed to be in control from the get-go and the questionable decisions from the other players to either not recognize it or to try and gain it's favor resulted in a compounding issue. For me, it became a very dull game to watch/listen to. So I stopped it. Hopefully, this satiates your curiosity.
@@jonathanwalker5044 I agree, horrible game to watch. Shane was the only one doing real damage to Ben, Brion player for some reason kept focusing Shane, and Andrew's deck may have not existed at all and the game would've been largely unchanged. This was a game where you knew who was going to win about 10 seconds into the gameplay video and it's pretty unfortunate.
I've gone between Ghired and Trostani as well. My Trostani build is more combat focused with lifegain synergy and plays similar to your Ghired. I made it from my old 60 card Selesyna deck that ran call of the conclave and tried to keep the spirit of make big tokens then populate. I ended up moving away from Ghired because I could not consistently get attacks with him without dedicating too many cards to protecting him. Trostani can also run fun cards like angel of destiny and trudge garden. I would say it would be worth giving it another go with Trostani but keep they style of Ghired, don't focus on combo just beat down and don't care if you get hit back because of the lifegain.
I play a deck that goes in a similar direction to Ghired and Trostani in Bant, using blue to copy high-value creatures and then populate them with green and white. Sadly, there's still no commander for that kind of deck in this color combination. I use Rubinia for mine, since my friends are all somehow afraid of her.
love tribal decks that deliberately avoid the most effective color combinations for said tribe, so that He Who Hungers is based as hell and i hope it shows up in some future videos!
Rogue's Passage can kill that phantasmal image sun titan since it's just target creature. 5 mana removal is kind of expensive, but maybe worth it to stop the value train. I suppose the real sun titan would just get it back next turn, but at least it wouldn't get the trigger for swinging.
@@twistedpear18 Yeahhh, maybe not actually a good play. 5 mana to stop 6 damage and 1 titan trigger. I guess it depends what else you have to do that turn.
why on earth would you mill the guy with an archaeomancer-ephemerate loop and *two* sun titans? would you sacrifice your board to let someone else draw 10? thats effectively what you've done
If I was the He who Hungers play I would not have any fun this game, to be honest if I was playing any of the decks I would not enjoy that game. I'm happy you guys did though.
It can be. For the campaign, due to some shipping restrictions in a few countries, we had to limit where we could do it. If you email me, we can figure something out if you're interested in one.
@@gypsieking3280 the grim monolith and mana vault seemed like a give away, but yeah. Even after all that damn... and that's not including everyone else messing his board, so fair enough
At 18:39 how does the Narset and Notion Thief triggers work? Does he get to draw the 6 like he did, or would he only get 4 as Narset would stop Muddstah from drawing the other 2, so Ben only draws 4? Is it by stacking the triggers in different ways, like Narset first then Notion Thief or something?
3:40 just why? edit1: also 15:39 that's not how it works, the ephemerate is still on the stack, so it cannot be recovered with the archeomancer edit2: not that it matters but at 19:30 standstill should have been sacrificed
For edit1, he played it right. Ephemerate resolves fully, exiling Archeomancer and returning it to the battlefield, and thus going to the graveyard. Then Archeomancer trigger goes on to the stack, and can target the Ephemerate. This synergy only fails if you cast Ephemerate from hand, since it then will exile itself as it resolves for the Rebound.
So the upkeep trigger for enphemerate has it cast from exile, and after resolving, and then goes to graveyard. Archemancer's etb then hits the stack, allowing to get back enphemerate. As it is a legal target because the ability has to finish resolving before a new target for the trigger can be declarded. I believe that's legit how it works out.
at 7 minutes into the video where andrew used beast within on bens grim monolith, ben floated the mana to draw a card by cracking 1 clue but if you watch closely ben drew 2 cards from cracking 1 clue instead of drawing 1 card lol thought you was slick huh
I like Trostani more than Ghired for a few Reasons: 1. Trudge Garden. LOL. 2. All those wonderful "end step, if you gained 3/4/5 life this turn, create a (...) token", which are working great with both of Trostanis abilities and making zhem playable, sadly they're bit slow^^ 3. Stupid bonkers lifegain scenarios with Serras Avatar-esque creatures :) And, let's be honest: the Color Pair doesn't get the love it deserved, so let's change that!
I'm surprised Ben doesn't run Time Sieve in his deck... Tivit makes exactly five tokens, the amount Time Sieve needs for an extra turn, so they both go infinite.
It’s probably a personal preference thing. I have a Tivit deck. More on the high power and not cEDH side of thinfs, focused on blink and artifact synergies. Don’t have the expensive rocks Ben had but still can take out 3 opponents at the same time in myriad of different ways. I purposefully avoided Time Sieve because I don’t like to win that way.
not everyone wants to run end the game/infinite combos. just because a card can be in a deck and would work well doesn't mean it has to be there nor the player wrong for omitting it
@@dess8815 And that really bugs me... if I'm building a cycling deck, I'd rather build Gavi. Anyway, I'm with Tivit now. It's doing a lot better, although one of my wins was thanks to Inkshield. 🤣
@@DarkEinherjar ink sheild is just an amazing card some dude cast cratorhoof with 30 tokens on thr board for the win he attacked me and one other to finish the game i cast ink sheild saved my self and then cast taysa karlov next turn gave my entire huge army life link and vigilance my life total rocketed up and he could not do a thing as he was playing mono green lol
Everybody is saying Ben was way stronger than the others or was pubstomping. I'd like to point out that the guy with a bunch of graveyard recursion and sun titans was getting slammed with discard triggers for some reason? Because that was a great idea lol
yeah ben pissed me off this game. Deck was way over powered compared to everyone else's deck. Plus, he was so fidgety the entire game and usually players who act that way think they're better than everyone at the table
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Not real sure you should be forcing the dude with two sun titans to discard permanents there Shane but hey it is what it is.
I absolutely snorted at that - not only the Sun Titans, but also Hall of Heliod's Generosity, Academy Ruins and Archaeomancer getting flickered repeatedly.
Congratulations! Your comment convinced me to watch the video 🤣
Lots of questionable plays all round, but hey that's edh for you.
You could tell from the moment the Tivit deck played a T1 Mana Vault that these decks were not operating on equal footing. Now, 1 card itself does not make a deck inherently more powerful than any others, but the Vault was indicative of the rest of the game.
Yes, there were opportunities for the other 3 players to interact more meaningfully with the Tivit player earlier, but it then started playing incredible levels of fun police against an already lower power board.
I was interested to see what He Who Hungers could do, expecting the deck to built for a specific level considering the general narrowness of the card, and then it gets paired up with a functionally Fringe power deck, with all manner of fast mana and free interaction.
Up to roughly the 13 minute mark, this was an intriguing game, but after that it was incredibly monotonous and that's unfortunate, because I really like Tivit and I really like Esper in general.
There just seemed to be little consideration from the Tivit player of what else was at the table.
Lol what if I just love to bring a 2000 dollar tivit deck to stomp brion stoutarm? Totally reasonable /s
Not really the point I was making here, financial cost of the cards in the deck don't directly translate to the power level.
The point is that Tivit is a strong modern commander-focused design commander, giving you access to 3 strong colour, provides repeated ramp and draw.
This is then supported with a large array counter and interaction spells (some of which are free), recursion with a blink package, and fast mana spells.
The He Who Hungers player could have a deck also worth $2000, but the inherent strategy isn't as powerful, is narrow in scope and is in a single colour.
The decks were unbalanced, not because of the financial cost, but because they operate on different levels of strategic gameplan, and then the stronger commander also played a higher overall quality of card on top of that.
I was thinking the same thing pretty much. The Tivit deck is designed specifically to outvalue other new and powerful decks. Against older thematic decks, this is like bringing that gun to the knife fight, especially with the counter spell recursion and flickering of the archeomancer, on-top of the multiple Sun Titans and tutors. I saw this win coming a mile away. The only thing I could see missing from the deck was some repeatable life gain, but that may just have been luck of the draw that didn't fetch any up.
And pulling out a Grim monolith for fun is always nice 🙄
I would say that yes he was definitely in the advantage for most of the time but his opponents kept putting cards in his graveyard. When Ben got milled for 30 cards with two sun titans and an archaomancer that gave him the win. He def had better cards than the others but I think his opponents just fumbled bad. Run grave hate folks!
That deck Ben is playing is the type of shit that gets you stomped out in the next game lol
seriously, soo oppressive
Bens deck seems way stronger than the others
Also synergetic without boring combos, quite a build.
Good old Time Sieve. Is that what youre talking about?@@Cyberium
Bens deck seemed stupid strong. But yeah a Brion fling should've been used to finish him
Value deck vs 3 interaction-light, at best, decks. They tried to target him but it never mattered since noone could nuke his yard.
He Who Hungers deck was fire, great building Shane
Shane’s deck was sweet. Always love to see unique brews!
I wouldn’t want to see ben pubstomp again though lol
Glad to see a fellow Tivit go off but hoo boy only the He Who Hungers player recognized the threat. Surprised Brion didn't use Sunforger more to find an answer to Archaeomancer with its trigger on the stack (Swords, Path to Exile, etc.)
Big fan of the He Who Hungers deck! Super cool concept!
Curious, was there a discussion before this game? Ben’s deck seemed a level above everyone else’s!
I got a similar feeling last saturday, when one of the players was bringing way overpowered decks to the table... the only game that lasted long enough to be fun was the one where he got terrible draws.
It wasn't, Shane was making the guy who had demonstrated he had a graveyard-centric deck discard a bunch, 100% his own fault there
Ben deck is definitely a 7 power level.
Seriously though, it's basically a handful of cards away from being a cedh list.
Can't say I dislike high power lists, just prefer when it's against decks that are on the same level; I'm a bit disappointed to how much fun police it did when I was so excited to see what the other 3 decks were going to do.
7 is an adequate assessment, but Ben's deck is very far from a cEDH list and would struggle mightily at a high powered table. Tivit is a strong engine, but looking at his list, he sort of just go lucky with the fast start. His decklist doesn't really have a win-con outside of "I am going to out value you" and looks relatively slow. This was more of a "T1 Mana Crypt/Vault/Sol Ring" game and poor threat assessment by the rest of the table issue.
The real problem was that there was no other blue player in the table to counter his shennanigans
Love that He Who Hungers deck, always love to see an unpopular commander taken seriously!
shane deck was awesome, people is too focused on staple commanders when the real fun is do crazy decks with weird cards
Not going to lie.. that game wasn't overly fun to watch. It was painfully one sided for a rather large part of the game
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@@danwash19 Did I miss Andrew shifting to cEDH content? No? My statement stands.
Tivit seems to always be archenemy in all the games I've watched. A bit too powerful for casual maybe
Take this with a big grain of salt, but I personally like watching Trostani go off moreso than Ghired. But both are extremely hype.
I've since gone back to Trostani. The reality was all I wanted to do in Ghired was make Terror of the Peaks, which I've since build Miirym to do.
@@MTGMuddstah Miirym and the return of trostani is the content I like to see
I agree that Ghired is more combat-oriented, while Trostani has more room for utility. But Ghired has red, of course, so it can be done.
I was trying Muddstah's old list from way back when on XMage and ended up through a convoluted chain of events winning a game with 12 tokens of a flying infect creature. So that inspired me to try and make a Ghired token infect deck.
@@6ftTiny216 pretty based
First video in a long time that I have no interest in finishing. Hope everyone playing had a blast, but this was awful to watch. Look forward to the next video, you do great work.
Why
@@TCG9777 As others have pointed out in their comments, there seemed to be a powerlevel discrepancy between the Tivit deck and the rest. It's been a week since I started this video and I don't exactly remember the tipping point for me personally. Can games of archenemy be fun in a pod, sure, but they are just as likely to be dull for one or more players (let alone an outside observer).
Tivit, to me, seemed to be in control from the get-go and the questionable decisions from the other players to either not recognize it or to try and gain it's favor resulted in a compounding issue. For me, it became a very dull game to watch/listen to. So I stopped it.
Hopefully, this satiates your curiosity.
@@jonathanwalker5044 I agree, horrible game to watch. Shane was the only one doing real damage to Ben, Brion player for some reason kept focusing Shane, and Andrew's deck may have not existed at all and the game would've been largely unchanged.
This was a game where you knew who was going to win about 10 seconds into the gameplay video and it's pretty unfortunate.
I've gone between Ghired and Trostani as well. My Trostani build is more combat focused with lifegain synergy and plays similar to your Ghired. I made it from my old 60 card Selesyna deck that ran call of the conclave and tried to keep the spirit of make big tokens then populate. I ended up moving away from Ghired because I could not consistently get attacks with him without dedicating too many cards to protecting him. Trostani can also run fun cards like angel of destiny and trudge garden. I would say it would be worth giving it another go with Trostani but keep they style of Ghired, don't focus on combo just beat down and don't care if you get hit back because of the lifegain.
*spoilers* I've gone back to Trostani.
@@MTGMuddstah ayy
I play a deck that goes in a similar direction to Ghired and Trostani in Bant, using blue to copy high-value creatures and then populate them with green and white. Sadly, there's still no commander for that kind of deck in this color combination. I use Rubinia for mine, since my friends are all somehow afraid of her.
love tribal decks that deliberately avoid the most effective color combinations for said tribe, so that He Who Hungers is based as hell and i hope it shows up in some future videos!
Whenever I see kokusho I always just want to make a weird deck that revolves around sacing and rev kokusho over and over again
Rogue's Passage can kill that phantasmal image sun titan since it's just target creature. 5 mana removal is kind of expensive, but maybe worth it to stop the value train. I suppose the real sun titan would just get it back next turn, but at least it wouldn't get the trigger for swinging.
True... but the phantasmal titan gets to etb, which is admittedly less terrifying than both being able to swing, but certainly not ideal.
@@twistedpear18 Yeahhh, maybe not actually a good play. 5 mana to stop 6 damage and 1 titan trigger. I guess it depends what else you have to do that turn.
From the playmat animations I thought for a second mudstah was turning his show I to an anime.
I would if I could
Just a slight power imbalance.
why on earth would you mill the guy with an archaeomancer-ephemerate loop and *two* sun titans? would you sacrifice your board to let someone else draw 10? thats effectively what you've done
There is a reason if mill is generally very bad in commander. A lot of decks just get free cards from being milled.
If I was the He who Hungers play I would not have any fun this game, to be honest if I was playing any of the decks I would not enjoy that game. I'm happy you guys did though.
This was painful to watch. Ben brought a minigun to an archery. No bueno..
Man.
I need Tivit to join my party. I just realized that he is a Rogue!
Shame the playmat can't be shipped to the UK apparently.
It can be. For the campaign, due to some shipping restrictions in a few countries, we had to limit where we could do it. If you email me, we can figure something out if you're interested in one.
@@MTGMuddstah I would very much like to sort something out.. Gotta support one of the best edh channels, also a cool playmat is something I need.
ben definitely tried to taunt us at 3:33
I was surprised that Brion never get the grafted exoskeleton
It's not worth if you can't ensure that 10 lethal poison... also, you have to sac the creature when you unattach it.
Idk what Ben did to Shane but damn, calm down Shane.
Maybe he saw Ben's deck as the strongest. (Rightfully so)
@@gypsieking3280 the grim monolith and mana vault seemed like a give away, but yeah. Even after all that damn... and that's not including everyone else messing his board, so fair enough
Good threat assessment imo
Tivit is one of my favorite new commanders that have came out this year I built it as soon as I got him
Ben took a nuke to a knife-fight lol
Great game nontheless, He Who Hungers was a good sit.
I thought Ben's Tivit deck was awesome but was definitely above the power level of the rest of the table.
Ben at some point brought back Ephemerate from exile with Archaeomancer?
I'm just wondering how. There's maybe a half dozen cards that can bring things back from exile... and archaeomancer isn't one of them.
At 18:39 how does the Narset and Notion Thief triggers work? Does he get to draw the 6 like he did, or would he only get 4 as Narset would stop Muddstah from drawing the other 2, so Ben only draws 4? Is it by stacking the triggers in different ways, like Narset first then Notion Thief or something?
He gets to draw 6 because the draws are replaced by Ben drawing so they never hit the limit of one draw per turn
What song is used for this episode, its very chill and helped keep my attention during the gameplay
3:40 just why?
edit1: also 15:39 that's not how it works, the ephemerate is still on the stack, so it cannot be recovered with the archeomancer
edit2: not that it matters but at 19:30 standstill should have been sacrificed
For edit1, he played it right. Ephemerate resolves fully, exiling Archeomancer and returning it to the battlefield, and thus going to the graveyard. Then Archeomancer trigger goes on to the stack, and can target the Ephemerate. This synergy only fails if you cast Ephemerate from hand, since it then will exile itself as it resolves for the Rebound.
So the upkeep trigger for enphemerate has it cast from exile, and after resolving, and then goes to graveyard. Archemancer's etb then hits the stack, allowing to get back enphemerate. As it is a legal target because the ability has to finish resolving before a new target for the trigger can be declarded.
I believe that's legit how it works out.
Thanks for the clarification
And THIS is why we play graveyard-hate in every deck, kids.
Hell yeah He Who Hungers!
Where can we get those gold tokens that Ben uses? They look amazing.
at 7 minutes into the video where andrew used beast within on bens grim monolith, ben floated the mana to draw a card by cracking 1 clue but if you watch closely ben drew 2 cards from cracking 1 clue instead of drawing 1 card lol thought you was slick huh
I like Trostani more than Ghired for a few Reasons:
1. Trudge Garden. LOL.
2. All those wonderful "end step, if you gained 3/4/5 life this turn, create a (...) token", which are working great with both of Trostanis abilities and making zhem playable, sadly they're bit slow^^
3. Stupid bonkers lifegain scenarios with Serras Avatar-esque creatures :)
And, let's be honest: the Color Pair doesn't get the love it deserved, so let's change that!
I'm surprised Ben doesn't run Time Sieve in his deck... Tivit makes exactly five tokens, the amount Time Sieve needs for an extra turn, so they both go infinite.
It’s probably a personal preference thing. I have a Tivit deck. More on the high power and not cEDH side of thinfs, focused on blink and artifact synergies. Don’t have the expensive rocks Ben had but still can take out 3 opponents at the same time in myriad of different ways. I purposefully avoided Time Sieve because I don’t like to win that way.
@@lokumo13 Ben's deck was already overpowered and oppressive as it was, so I see no point in not running it. 🥲
Man, Ben was merciless
Alot of people are annoyed at ben’s deck. I loved ben’s deck! Control forever!
Look at the esper player become the archenemy
Happens to me all the time at least
The game got hard to watch once the difference in power levels started showing..
Shane Hard cast a Kokusho without a sac outlet?
watcging this game live was like camping; in tents
Ben's deck cost more than all the others combined lmao
What card was getting ephemerate from exile over and over again
Where is time sieve in tivit deck? Tutor this card ended the game faster
not everyone wants to run end the game/infinite combos. just because a card can be in a deck and would work well doesn't mean it has to be there nor the player wrong for omitting it
Many people avoid obvious combos to have some variety.
Altar of dementia? Ghired is more combat-oriented deck… put some Miryad things and haste… red copy spells and hit everyone with big creatures!!!
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i like watching Tristani more but you do you
After Sefris failed me last weekend, that Tivit game is convincing me to invest in the precon...
Sefris is better just run cycling creautres in your deck and use them to trigger her during your opponets turns
@@dess8815 And that really bugs me... if I'm building a cycling deck, I'd rather build Gavi.
Anyway, I'm with Tivit now. It's doing a lot better, although one of my wins was thanks to Inkshield. 🤣
@@DarkEinherjar ink sheild is just an amazing card some dude cast cratorhoof with 30 tokens on thr board for the win he attacked me and one other to finish the game i cast ink sheild saved my self and then cast taysa karlov next turn gave my entire huge army life link and vigilance my life total rocketed up and he could not do a thing as he was playing mono green lol
This is why I hate blue out of all the other colors. It allows to much control and takes fun away from other players turns.
Wow. Ben’s deck kinda made me want to die…
Are you guys sure these decks were at the same level? It seemed not…
Why did Ben give himself 3 treasure tokens the first time Tivit came out? Seems like an unnecessary way of cheating 🤷♂️
Tivit gives an extra vote Andrew misspoke in the video, he got 2 treasures from himself, one from Kris, and clues from Shane and Andrew
Uneven power levels and poor threat assessment. Seems like a typical CMNDR game at the LGS
Never been this early
Everybody is saying Ben was way stronger than the others or was pubstomping. I'd like to point out that the guy with a bunch of graveyard recursion and sun titans was getting slammed with discard triggers for some reason? Because that was a great idea lol
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Tivit deck was the opposite of fun to watch
yeah ben pissed me off this game. Deck was way over powered compared to everyone else's deck. Plus, he was so fidgety the entire game and usually players who act that way think they're better than everyone at the table
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everybody complaing about Ben's deck. He won off of Sun Titan which is a $1 card. Play graveyard hate or lose to graveyard decks.
Even mono red has Kumano (Kumano Faces Kakkazan) and the colorless options. >
I can’t believe he got milled for 30. Once that happened I knew the game was gg.