Almost half an hour of blab but no mention of the Lexus LX or GX? Luxury, dependability, and very good off-pavement. If they need maintaining/fixing, it'll cost a fraction of the Porsches, Benzs and Land Rovers, and one can find a shop that can work on them a lot easier when away from a major city. They also aren't envy/hate magnets. A low mileage, scrupulously maintained LX or GX at 6-10 years old are fairly easy to find, and will cost less than, and last twice as long as, most new North American suv's. Being largely based on the Toyota Land Cruiser and 4runner, there are plenty of after-market upgrades and off-roading mods and accessories to choose from. Their major flaw, in my eyes, is pretty poor fuel economy. Pre-cyborg-insect-style-change models look understatedly classy, too.
10 years ? And How Much are you going to sell it back ? Or trade it? My fear for keeping cars too long is its devalue with years and when it hits high mileage.
I'm glad the luxury SUV market exists, they fill spaces that the other brands don't. What suv can you get under 185" long, less than 75" wide and under 70" tall so that it fits well in an urban setting, under ground and parallel parking but has a decent ground clearance and awd for the snow and ice we get here in Canada and can tow over 4000 pounds (to get a couple snowmobiles to the mountain and back). From what I can see that limits you to the GLC, the Q5 and the Discovery Sport... If you stretch those size constraints you can include the Touareg but thats about the same price point anyway.
I have a 3.0 Supercharged Audi Q5 and it was affordable and fantastic compared to everything else I test drove in the same "class". If I stepped up a class I would go Range Rover or Porsche, but probably lean more towards a Porsche Turbo.
The main reason most people like driving SUV's is the higher driving position gives them a feeling of power and control... While most never need them they offer a differen "FEELING" than a car which is the biggest reason most people buy a vehicle.
***** There are some places that has bad road conditions. Like here in Texas, most roads are good but there are dips everywhere. It's really easy to scratch a car.
I love these segments - nice work, Doug! That being said, I couldn't agree more with Ballaban. There are so many people driving around in terrible SUVs and Crossovers that have no need for such a vehicle. Buy more cars!
I owned 3x International Scouts. If I could go back in time, I would have kept them all. They certainly held their value. I can't find one for under $30K now.
My parents have an '04 Lincoln Navigator, which still looks really nice in 2015 IMO. They got it for 5 grand because it needed like 2K in repairs, but it was worth 12 anyways.
I like how Doug DeMuro said that Lincoln needs to revitalize the Navigator to recreate the brand like Cadillac. Now that they have done it he may be right.
Yes! I was waiting to hear them mention the Cayenne and Macan. If you were a driving enthusiast and somehow had to get a luxury SUV, these choices would be it! Surprisingly, this was the most entertaining WCSYB to date. You guys should invite Andrew more often.
3:00 here in colombia a lot of streets are basically gravel and rocks because are full of holes.. good look trying to go from barranquilla (caribbean coast) to eje cafetero (the center of colombia) using a corolla or mazda 6.. here in colombia we are experts doing suburban offroad
You definitely missed out on talking about the XC 90, but great episode never the less. It is just me or does it seem like quite a few Jalopnik writers don't own a vehicle?
wait why do people prefer the land cruiser to the lx? I know the land cruiser is always fully loaded but wouldn't you rather go with the lexus version which is fully loaded for a little more money? this is probably a dumb question but I was curious.
They discussed their love of the Range Rover and the RR Sport, yet when discussing compacts like the Macan and Lincoln MKC, they never mentioned the Evoque. Wonder what they think of the Evoque and Discovery?
Can somebody answer me this, what is the purpose of the Lexus GX? When there is already the RX and LX it seems the GX is just a hyped up mix of the 4runner on steroids. Plus there is the Sequoia in which I don't understand either. Why does Toyota/Lexus have all these options? The Sequoia and GX are close in price range.
Looking for a used luxury suv around $10,000 that has good reliability I know it's a hard find but was wondering your opinion. Thanks and love your vids
Lnd Cruiser: Not just for reliability but for performance as well and also for luxury. #1 for reliability but maybe lower for other standards but not much lower!
I grew up in a 1st gen MDX. That car took me home from the hospital after I was born. We had it until 2012. Now since I have my license, I wish we traded in my dad’s BMW instead of my mom’s MDX in 2012.
The only thing i don't like about this episode is that there's no constraints. I think it's more interesting to talk about what's best for a certian price range or some other restrictions.
After studying the luxury SUV market and driving almost all of them; I have to say that Range Rover Sport V6 for it price is pretty decent SUV to get! HSE model adequately option is only $85K-$90K. Sound a lot but if you look at the Dynamic model which can go to $115K, the HSE is pretty cheap in comparison. Don't mention the SVR model - ridiculously expensive! And there is the Autobiography model which is the top of the line too! The HE is the entry level model which Range Rover dealers do not stock! LOL! Even if one can afford a Range Rover Sport; the cost of maintenance and repairs after the warranty expires is just mind blowing! So if you see someone with a 5 year old Range Rover owner; I feel for that person!
First off these “carguments” are brilliant. Also Kim is hella cute and right about this. Saying “Porsche” with a silent E, just tells the world that you didn’t know the brand existed until they came out with the hideous Cayenne. You don’t care about the company or the brand history, you just like the marketing.
A cool one that almost no one knows about is the Infiniti Fx50. 5 litre v8 that they literally never used in any other car. I have no idea why they built it.
Sports cars are cooler and much more efficient with their power. I just don't see the point in getting a G-wagon when I see an AMG-GTS sitting in the same showroom for the same price. Same thing with the Cayman and the Macan. If I need to haul something around I can buy a used F-150 for $3000 and be done with it.
2:17, I doubt he’s ever been in a car doing a rally stage, because it’s a jarring and terrifying experience, not what you want on your way to work in the morning
Toyota Land Cruiser/Lexus LX570 is always the answer. If not that Range Rover.
End of discussion. Absolutely.
Remember, a luxury car feels like an h2 all the time in NYC.
Honestly, if I want to stay away from the air suspension issues I would take the Land Cruiser all day any day!
Or lx470, basically the older lx570
Lexus LX or a Land Cruiser are the best SUVs ever made.
Almost half an hour of blab but no mention of the Lexus LX or GX?
Luxury, dependability, and very good off-pavement. If they need maintaining/fixing, it'll cost a fraction of the Porsches, Benzs and Land Rovers, and one can find a shop that can work on them a lot easier when away from a major city. They also aren't envy/hate magnets. A low mileage, scrupulously maintained LX or GX at 6-10 years old are fairly easy to find, and will cost less than, and last twice as long as, most new North American suv's.
Being largely based on the Toyota Land Cruiser and 4runner, there are plenty of after-market upgrades and off-roading mods and accessories to choose from. Their major flaw, in my eyes, is pretty poor fuel economy.
Pre-cyborg-insect-style-change models look understatedly classy, too.
The GX has transmission issues after 100k
Didn't talk about the new Volvo XC90. WHY
or the the G-Wagon
Simon Cadel you sir, saved 20 minutes of my life! :D
+BCJDM i know the new xc90 is being considered by alot of people being the best suv of 2015
I will own a Land Cruiser one day. I must have one and I shall keep it for at least 10yrs.
10 years ? And How Much are you going to sell it back ? Or trade it? My fear for keeping cars too long is its devalue with years and when it hits high mileage.
Sir. Boaz Mutatay Exactly, I would keep a car atleast 3 years then trade it unless you really like it.
Land Cruiser is always the answer.
No mention of Lexus GX or LX?
I mean, I guess Land Cruiser is close to LX...
We own a first gen RX and 0 issues more than 250,000 miles still going strong
I'm glad the luxury SUV market exists, they fill spaces that the other brands don't. What suv can you get under 185" long, less than 75" wide and under 70" tall so that it fits well in an urban setting, under ground and parallel parking but has a decent ground clearance and awd for the snow and ice we get here in Canada and can tow over 4000 pounds (to get a couple snowmobiles to the mountain and back). From what I can see that limits you to the GLC, the Q5 and the Discovery Sport... If you stretch those size constraints you can include the Touareg but thats about the same price point anyway.
2015 Durango R/T!!! Best mention in this episode! You got that right Andrew!
I have a 3.0 Supercharged Audi Q5 and it was affordable and fantastic compared to everything else I test drove in the same "class".
If I stepped up a class I would go Range Rover or Porsche, but probably lean more towards a Porsche Turbo.
why does no one care about maserati levante trofeo or the lambo urus
I’d have to pick the current Cadillac Escalade but if I planned on off-roading I’d get the current Range Rover HSE. The Volvo XC90 even.
Ive just come from his rivian truck review. It's amazing how doug has come along way.
The main reason most people like driving SUV's is the higher driving position gives them a feeling of power and control... While most never need them they offer a differen "FEELING" than a car which is the biggest reason most people buy a vehicle.
***** There are some places that has bad road conditions. Like here in Texas, most roads are good but there are dips everywhere. It's really easy to scratch a car.
Could you do cars not to buy?
I love these segments - nice work, Doug!
That being said, I couldn't agree more with Ballaban. There are so many people driving around in terrible SUVs and Crossovers that have no need for such a vehicle. Buy more cars!
tomridesbikes Exactly.
These are great keep doing this show
I owned 3x International Scouts. If I could go back in time, I would have kept them all. They certainly held their value. I can't find one for under $30K now.
The legend was born.
Trick question, Doug. BMW owners don't use turn signals.
A-Class > GLA, C-Class > GLC, E-Class > GLE. I now get it, just like BMW X3, X4, X5, X6
You forgot S-Class > GLS (upcoming face lifted GL)
I also left out the X1, X2, and the upcoming X7
The new Volvo XC 90
*Excellence
My parents have an '04 Lincoln Navigator, which still looks really nice in 2015 IMO. They got it for 5 grand because it needed like 2K in repairs, but it was worth 12 anyways.
9:04 basically 4 years later and it turns out Doug knows what he's talking about
I like how Doug DeMuro said that Lincoln needs to revitalize the Navigator to recreate the brand like Cadillac. Now that they have done it he may be right.
BMW X5
I own 2 E53 4.8is, 1 E70 xdrive35i, 1 F15 xdrive35i m sport. Love them!
Yes! I was waiting to hear them mention the Cayenne and Macan. If you were a driving enthusiast and somehow had to get a luxury SUV, these choices would be it! Surprisingly, this was the most entertaining WCSYB to date. You guys should invite Andrew more often.
post more miata videos
This guy knows what's up
+JakeXSV The answer is always miata
My mom has a QX80 and she loves it
Mike you are the best! All of your opinions are correct.
3:00 here in colombia a lot of streets are basically gravel and rocks because are full of holes.. good look trying to go from barranquilla (caribbean coast) to eje cafetero (the center of colombia) using a corolla or mazda 6..
here in colombia we are experts doing suburban offroad
I was looking forward to a land cruiser vs patrol discussion. Don't you guys get the new patrol there?
You definitely missed out on talking about the XC 90, but great episode never the less. It is just me or does it seem like quite a few Jalopnik writers don't own a vehicle?
Why no mention of the Lexus GX? A real suv with all the luxury.
I cant believe you talked about absurd SUV's and never brought up the Gee Vagon AMG! Absolutely Love WCSYB btw
Doug should do more things like this
wait why do people prefer the land cruiser to the lx? I know the land cruiser is always fully loaded but wouldn't you rather go with the lexus version which is fully loaded for a little more money? this is probably a dumb question but I was curious.
For performance SUV/Crossover, I prefer the SQ5. Though the Cayenne GTS was a close second.
Great show. Keep producing them. I'll keep watching
What about the gx? What about the lx570? How are you guys car experts?
They discussed their love of the Range Rover and the RR Sport, yet when discussing compacts like the Macan and Lincoln MKC, they never mentioned the Evoque. Wonder what they think of the Evoque and Discovery?
The Discovery all the way. Best off-road capable luxury SUV.
LX570
Audi RB, lol.
Guy with the glasses is the best! I don't know why you guys are hating on him.
Can somebody answer me this, what is the purpose of the Lexus GX? When there is already the RX and LX it seems the GX is just a hyped up mix of the 4runner on steroids. Plus there is the Sequoia in which I don't understand either. Why does Toyota/Lexus have all these options? The Sequoia and GX are close in price range.
Looking for a used luxury suv around $10,000 that has good reliability I know it's a hard find but was wondering your opinion.
Thanks and love your vids
Rx350
Lots of armada's out there.
I love how strong Subaru is becoming on this show. And I drive a Ford FiST.
What is wrong with the Escalade or Durango? What about the Stelvio or Levante?
No mention of the Land Rover Discovery Sport with the upcoming Jaguar Ingenium engine?
Best Luxury SUV = Range Rover with Carmax Warranty!
What happened to the g wagon
99-04 jeep GC limted 4.7 HO is my definition of 2000s luxury suv
Talk about best first cars for around 35k
Also why can't we have the Audi RS6 avant
ministerpopilyo slightly affluent families
+ministerpopilyo normal people?
what about that land cruiser dressed up as a lexus.
Land Cursier
Toyota 4Runner-TRD-PRO with a 2" FOX Lift !!! I jump Rail-Road crossings!!!
Lnd Cruiser: Not just for reliability but for performance as well and also for luxury. #1 for reliability but maybe lower for other standards but not much lower!
1st gen mdx
Yes
And its about 1/2 or 1/3 the price of any of these SUVs
I grew up in a 1st gen MDX. That car took me home from the hospital after I was born. We had it until 2012. Now since I have my license, I wish we traded in my dad’s BMW instead of my mom’s MDX in 2012.
The only thing i don't like about this episode is that there's no constraints. I think it's more interesting to talk about what's best for a certian price range or some other restrictions.
Obviously now its the XC90.
After studying the luxury SUV market and driving almost all of them; I have to say that Range Rover Sport V6 for it price is pretty decent SUV to get! HSE model adequately option is only $85K-$90K. Sound a lot but if you look at the Dynamic model which can go to $115K, the HSE is pretty cheap in comparison. Don't mention the SVR model - ridiculously expensive! And there is the Autobiography model which is the top of the line too! The HE is the entry level model which Range Rover dealers do not stock! LOL!
Even if one can afford a Range Rover Sport; the cost of maintenance and repairs after the warranty expires is just mind blowing! So if you see someone with a 5 year old Range Rover owner; I feel for that person!
So the Porsche Chyanne is a Reliable midsize SUV ✅😏
Never mind Volvo XC60 and XC90. Most reviewers can't get enough of those things.
When he introduced his two guests I was like "so where the hell is Doug?" seconds later I realized that the host himself is Doug 🤔
Is the range rover l405 reliable?
RANGE ROVER FTW!!! Also, I love how Doug has a dedicated camera angle just for him
I am actually considering a used Cadillac SRX & the Lincoln MKX as a college student to get it under $10k
How does the gla or any crossover have more storage space than a cla or its car counterpart
"It's the Tahoe for rich people." The Tahoe's MSRP is around 55 grand for a base model...
I'm sure you could swing an LS for mid 40's but still
55k isn't a crazy amount of money.
I think 55 grand is the average price for a Tahoe.
G wagon?
any more WCSYB Jalopnik?
I agree with Mike Ballaban
No mention of the Grand Cherokee?
Coz it's not a luxury SUV
First off these “carguments” are brilliant. Also Kim is hella cute and right about this. Saying “Porsche” with a silent E, just tells the world that you didn’t know the brand existed until they came out with the hideous Cayenne. You don’t care about the company or the brand history, you just like the marketing.
can do u do a show about a Volt Or Prius????
MORE MIATA VIDEOS!
Best luxury SUV, by a mile, is the AMG G65. It's big, it's powerful and it says "I have fuck you money" like nothing else can
A cool one that almost no one knows about is the Infiniti Fx50. 5 litre v8 that they literally never used in any other car. I have no idea why they built it.
I had a boss with one they have like 400 horsepower and looks great
It's a shame they were talking about the Navigators interior before this generation. Maybe they inspired Lincoln to change
I think Ballaban is my new favorite person.
What happened to the Mercedes Benz G63 ?!
More than 100k
You guys are crazy... the dodge RT AWD is a great car for relatively little money. And it's maintanance cost is minuscule.
2006 Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT8 less than 15K great value great car
I miss these.
+Martin Espinoza I agree. Its so maddening that everyone is constantly hating on doug.
gmansplit these were so much better in the old format
I sport SUV is like running slipper.
Leonardo Varuzza lol that's how irina D9kaw
Some of us tow and do not want a truck, hence an suv.
Why was the short guy even in this video? Did he contribute anything?
I'm going with the navigator
Sports cars are cooler and much more efficient with their power. I just don't see the point in getting a G-wagon when I see an AMG-GTS sitting in the same showroom for the same price. Same thing with the Cayman and the Macan. If I need to haul something around I can buy a used F-150 for $3000 and be done with it.
dafiltafish g63 is just for the badassness,
land cruiser
2:17, I doubt he’s ever been in a car doing a rally stage, because it’s a jarring and terrifying experience, not what you want on your way to work in the morning
What about the Toyota 4Runner?
Best. episode. yet.
love the super car nerd argument
Doug, has anyone ever told you that you move around a lot when you are sitting?
Why would you invite someone who hates SUVs to talk about which SUV to buy?
MKC is the Ford Edge
So you guys talk about luxury SUVs and leave out the ultimate Hollywood SUV G550?
Misleading video title. Invited someone to discuss luxury SUV's who don't like SUV's.
if you count the AMG GLE 63S as an SUV, its easily the nicest on the market and blows a range rover out the water
it is hard to be passionate about suv's