Trust knife marketing?! Benchmade Adira, Spydie Salt, MKM Yipper. Are MagnaCut knives rust-proof?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ค. 2024
- This is the third video I’ve published discussing the new Benchmade Water Class knives. Take a look inside the knife to see how the subcomponents fared after 24 hours in 1% salt fog. Are we getting our money’s worth of performance?
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Friends! Please answer the question at the end of the video!
Would you be open to a longer testing period? Say a week or a month? I understand if it's not practical because it might actually destroy some of the testing knives. But it would be interesting to see the knives that are promoted as a "water knife" results if they were accidentally left on a boat for a while in a real world scenario. Your corrosion environment seems to simulate that pretty well.
This content is golden. As far as the upcoming fixed blade tests, it'd be interesting to see how they fare both inside their sheaths and exposed. I suspect the sheaths will represent the dark horse of these exams.
Toss it all in! System is tantamount. Thanks for this work!
1. Sheaths and all, as knives mostly live in sheaths
2. After a 48 hour test period, please inspect then put the knives back in the sheaths for a week to simulate what probably happens when someone forgets to pull their knife out of the sheath and check.
@@christopherlaborde1670 it’s in the works.
Spyderco delayed the release of magna-cut because they noticed galvanic corrosion due to the internals, they proceeded to take the extra time (putting them nearly last on market for magna-cut offerings) to find the right materials for the internals that wouldn’t corrode or induce corrosion.
Spyderco puts a lot of thought into their salt line, and their customers are highly critical any corrosion. I doubt benchmade put that much thought into it when trying to muscle in on the same market.
You saved me from buying an Adira. Already have the Salt Magnacut Spyderco. Thanks for your efforts, they are appreciated!
Bees wax is an amazing rust inhibitor. It's all I use on my knives here in Florida close to the ocean. Even carrying steels like maxamet, once a week wipe down with bees wax and absolutely zero issues. Used it for many many years with flawless results.
Great tip! Where do you get your beeswax?
That is obsolete, use kpl knife shield
I use beeswax to waterproof my boots and leather sheaths too, but not over do it so the leather boots can still breath a little.
Do you put any on the inner liner and mechanism? That's the problem area for me.
@@thechugdudeyou can usually find it at hobby stores like Michaels. Or even use beeswax chapstick in a pinch
Your hrc numbers are right one, my magnacut mule, 62.1, native salt 62.1 and magnacut manix at 62.4. That's tested at a large machine shop with high accuracy/professionally calibrated hardness tested machines on site.
I like how you don’t take anyone’s word and verify everything yourself!
Love it so much that the spyderco is so clean of rust. Spyderco is just so good!
I've been asking for this type of vid since the release of magnacut. Thank you and keep up the awesome work.
And yes I'm referring to the internals. The blade is useless if the knife doesn't work as a entire unit. Thanks again.
Been watching your content pretty much since the beginning, and am impressed how well you've improved over the years. 👍
Thank you so much!
I love my benchmade knives but it's very clear that they have become a marketing company that happens to make knives.
But their knives look so great in a glass case at REI store, right next to $75 Merino wool T-shirts and $230 Swedish hiking pants! 🤣
In the flashlight world, Benchmade would be Olight. 😂
I love the work you do and the revealing results of the testing. Please keep doing what you are doing. I’m a subscriber to your channel and look forward to your video postings.
Great Video, super explained and the Spydie is the most thoughtful constructed knife. The Adira really looks great, but it's a lot of money for a knife with a plastic handle and cheap metal liners, that corrode es well other than promised. I really don't know if I would buy one.
Helluva job. Big thanks for risking your gear to get some answers.
You provided the exact information I was looking for in one of the more scientific ways - HUGE THANK YOU!
The challenge with a folding knife is not only does the blade need corrosion resistance, but so does every other component. as illustrated in the video springs and bearings are a problem. Something like a titanium frame lock with Teflon washers would probably get it done, although that wouldn’t be the smoothest operating knife ever.
That’s why Hinderer XM-18 ships with two sets of washers meant to replace the bearings in case corrosion is a concern, one of them - Nylon
Nylon is rust proof but the action is crap imho
I do not have questions. I just have THANK You for all that work.
It is very interesting and eye opening (to be honest it just confirmed simple true: less parts less complicated = Salt wins and I am Team Benchmade whole my heart 😂 )
Whenever BM promotes a function, one has to dial it on level back: water knife = hiker, hiker = edc, edc = letter opener…
When was the last time they brought an innovative designer on board? All these RELICS are older than I am?! Or long dead? Why does Reate or Boker or WE get to work with new blood and Benchmade just scouring the dusty crypt of past decades’ relics?
I was at a bar yesterday and saw benchmade ad for their water line on tv. I’ve never seen any other knife company running television ads. I think that says a lot about where benchmade is a knife company nowadays.
Keep up the incredible work sir!
Thanks again! Appreciate you supporting the channel!
Love the videos content you are putting out!!! Keep up the great work and honest reviews with the equipment you have to work with. On an other note you should grab a new Manix 2 Salt Series as they have some interesting differences in what I can see my eye, one being the ball used for the lock up. It is either coated or a ceramic bearing either way it will help with preventing corrosion I believe.
Thank you for doing this. Definitely gonna stick with my Spiderco salt knives. I like the adira, but I simply cannot use it for what I need it for as it will disintegrate from the inside.
No any surprise.
Great video!!!
Next test - yes please test the sheath systems as well ! Thanks!
You should test also the spyderco Carribbean in LC200N. Thank you for your work sir. Crossbar lock are definitely not good for salty warer environnement... And this hrc on the italian is a shame.... Adira must be recall lake and river series definitely not all water environnement.
Any stainless will work for fresh water environments, the folders shouldn’t be marketed as water knives if they can’t withstand salt water.
Your statement at 14:13 says it all🤯
Thank you sir love your videos very informative 👍 😊
Italian heat treatment did not disappoint. 58 hrc Magnacut
Your sarcasm is contagious 😂
Good information as always. I think including the sheath and accessories with the fixed blades would be ideal. You’re generally going to have that stuff with you in addition to the knife.
Will do!
Great review and demonstration, thank you for all you do man! Curious, did Benchmade improve their factory edge on the Adira in comparison to the Adamas?
Please test the sheath for the intersect! I'm curious how the clip for the pocket sheath will hold up
Great video. Liners are corrosion magnets because they trap moisture between themselves and the scales. I was glad to see the Adira's liners looked pristine. I've had light corrosion on liners just after a summer of carry. Spyderco is the king of saltwater folders, but the Adira performed well. Adira owners should put a drop of oil on the spring and lockbar juncture.
Great advice!
Great job. I would still like to know how the exposure to the salt water test affect the edge on those knive🙂 and on the next test I say keep it real world scenario and place the knive in the sheaths and out. After all that is the only component that you can add to a fix blade outside of hand material and construction.
Now I'm curious to take apart my Manix 2 salt to see what if any preventative measures Spyderco took with the compression spring. I'm fairly certain the ball bearing was switched with a ceramic ball but what of that spring?
Spyderco took so long to bring CPM magna cut to market because they needed to find new materials for the internals that wouldn’t rust because of galvanic corrosion. I have no doubt that every detail was looked after.
For knifes with a focus in corrosion resistance i choose vanax (best by Roman Kasé) or for mor widely available knifes i would choose lc200n.
Nice content, man !
Spyderco are doing a paramilitary 2 Magnacut and soon the native chief will be released. Looking forward to it !
Sorry to be frank about this, but I’m not a huge fan of Para series because it is in essence a liner lock system and these are prone to failure. Manix 2 is what I would consider to be the best of all worlds.
@@CuttingBoardRx Para's are not my favorite too but in any case, compression locks are extremely tough and durable, way more than liner lock. Manix 2 is an awsome tool. I like backlocks too, and choils, the native and the strech are cool.
@@CuttingBoardRx Me neither, such a thick bevel with such a fine tip idk, but the compression lock is really sturdy and does not have the same weakness as linerlocks. I don’t like much the plastic «crossbar» on the manix. I quite like backlocks because it is ergonomic like a full tang knife.
Excellent video! I've recently purchased a Spyderco PM2 Salt in Magnacut with their all black DLC coating. Based on your tests thus far, what is your opinion on how it might fair against sweat and non-salt water? I live in Tennessee and wanted a "water proof" knife more so than a "salt water proof" knife. I assume the DLC coating might aid in the prevention of galvanic corrosion, but I feel like I've also heard that blade coatings can actually INCREASE the chances of rust(was surprised when you mentioned that anodization can actually cause some issues too). Curious to know what someone more versed in the topic thinks.
So interesting
Maybe the lockbar on the native is lc200n.
It's very possible that the lockbar is lc200, I have 2 rust resistant knives in magnacut with lc200 and vanax steel components in them. One is the quiet carry drift and the other is rob Johnson cedar.
To me, as a former industrial engineer, it would make a lot of sense to laser-cut the blades and the lockbars out of the same plate of steel because that’s where most “in between” metal is wasted and also assures matching thickness and chemical compatibility. Just saying…
I've been wanting to get a hardness tester that's less expensive and bulky than the kind you normally see in machine shops. Could you tell me what you're using? Tx!
Would like to see a spydie chef
I am curious to see what the tang looks like if you let them sit longer and not disassemble immediately. Are people going to remove the scales every time it gets wet?
Another informative and terrific video. Question - besides using the 3 in 1 oil, how did you get all of that corrosion off of the blades? Thank you.
Don’t laugh! With a sharpened bamboo chop stick 🤣
Id test the sheath along with the fixed blades as thats how i carry all my fixed blades. They get beat up and as wet as my fixed blades do.
I kinda remember reading that the Native's lockbar is LC200N (don't quote me)?
Spyderco is very tight lipped about the hardware on their Salt series knives.
Throw all of the components in the salt water. With the hardness tester and microscope coupled with your scientific knowledge, your videos are fascinating to watch.
21:27 Don't forget the Adiramas, i.e. Adira blade on the Adamas. The blades aren't 100% interchangeable but someone put them successfully together.
Ok, I can see the CruWear blade on a light weight full size knife, but what would be an advantage of going the other way around?
I have a question…
Can they stamp the logo instead of laser engraved it to prevent the heat from the laser?
I think the logo belongs on the handle. If they stamped it, which has to happen before heat treat, there’s a chance that the blade would warp in that area when in the furnace. Also, the water would still accumulate in the crevices of the logo. I think putting logo on the pivot hardware or on the pocket clip is sufficient. What do you think?
14:11 Oh snap :D :D Yes, that's why in-depth reviews are soo good. And they're rare because they don't necessarily get many views.
I think Eric G. @ Spyderco said Salt series hardware is lc200n.
Spyderco took a while on Magnacut for a reason.
Hello, Can you test with your device the HRC of your Kershaw Bel Air magnacut ?
Sure, I’m considering testing all MagnaCut blades in my collection, especially those with as much public interest as the BelAir.
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Ever figure out why the benchmade veteran discount is only 15% now and not 30% like you mentioned in your other video sir?
Yes. They changed the policy across the board: no more 10% off on any retail websites. Also looks like they will not have any more direct sales to DoD or post exchanges. I will try to verify.
Are you looking for any particular BM? I can get you in touch with a dealer who will honor 30 off
Well, im not gonna be getting a yipper any time soon...
What about hogue deka
Good idea.
Could buy a Tagged out for less than the Adira...
Keep applying pressure 🫵🏼💪🏼
Thank you for what you do!
Because changing the heat treatment and the rockwell changes the corrosion resistance properties. This crap is partly why I quit buying Benchmade.
You spend a lot of money on knives 😵 good god
God has nothing to do with my knife purchasing habit. Likely, it’s the other guy…
Go 5%salt
Extrapolate!
@@CuttingBoardRx that is boring :p
Bench made is overpriced garbage. You gotta be new in knives, or have money to mindlessly burn on a butterfly logo…
Benchmade has turned into a fashion brand that uses fancy marketing to attract new people who know nothing about knives while relying on their diehard fans who refuse to question anything BM does. Smh. Benchmade has fallen off the cliff. BM died after they stopped producing the Griptilian. The moment they decided to get rid of 99% of that line, BM died.
Couldn’t agree more! They fell off bad like ZT 😢
ZT?.. maybe. Kershaw is rocking it though! Except for BelAir…
I knew that line was garbage… I literally asked if the omega springs and clips are corrosion resistant but I knew they weren’t and is a gimmick 😂😂😂 come on benchmade
You tell them, brother!
Yep. BM is a joke.
Your channel rules. Do you have an IG?