Man I never got that into boxes. In the 80s we made the boxes big as possible. And sealed. I burned my share of The Punch subs usually from over excursion. Then I got an Orion DVC in a ported box and those slammed but not for metal. I like that kick drum bass. After 30 years I just put 2 alpine type x 12s in sealed box and gave it hell. Sounds better than I ever had in my younger days. Keep bassin. Thanks for explaining the 6th order that is legit
You need to give classes on proper and interesting commentary in yt vids. Extremely well organized thoughts and clear points. I wish I had that talent. Bravo.
this is a really nice way to actually show what is happening within a 6th order! everyone usually just shows the impressive box but not how its actually working!
Liked the fact you gave visual examples with the music playing rather then some charts. I completely understood what you was explaining once I got to see it.
Out of all my years!! I never understood till now!!! Thank you teacher!!!! Now i wanna do 6th order!!!! Cuz I understand what your saying!!!! I like how you use the music genre to be clear on the bass sound!
Hey man, i just wanted to thank you for the series on bandpass boxes that you did. I have always been curious about them and your videos motivated me to make one. I just finished it up today and it sounds amazing. At just 75 watts it will shake the tin on the outside of the shop. I kinda went to the extremes on the dimensions but it works really well. It's a Skar IX-8, 4 cuft (yes four) tuned to 35hz, and 1 cuft tuned to 80hz. Thanks again man! Keep the awesome videos coming!
Awesome breakdown of the 6th order vs 4th order. If you want to make those pieces of toilet paper mover, you should run a bass sweep. That should show the ultimate drop!
Nice vid man. I'm a 6th order man myself and just got done completing one for a 12 type r. I've been building 6th order enclosures for over 15 years and I've built numerous sealed and 4th orders as well. People you can NOT beat a 6th order. If you love the ground pounding lows but still wanna catch other frequencies.. 6th order all the way.. People get in my ride and assume I have a pair of 15's. I can make 1 modest ten sound like a high end 15. 6th order pounds and pounds and pounds no doubt.
Another thing that I recently discovered man, aero ports I'm an absolute believer. I was a vent man myself and still vent my cone side but the magnet side aero port and I swear to me better response and better delivery. Mad props tho I'm by no means discrediting your enclosure. Just something I figured I'd say to a fellow 6th order man in case you wanted to experiment in the future. Laters man!
Thanks for the tip. I've been curious about aero ports for a while and always cheaped out for the vent. But do to your advice, my next build just may include an aero port. Thanks.
BudgetBassHead yes, go for aero ports and watch out not going too big in diameter. Large ports give you great output, but many nasty resonances above your target bandwitch.
I have a 4th order 2 x 10" in my trunk and the bass is just not coming through to the front. tried moving it around and still no joy.. maybe 6th order or 8th order is what I need? can you share plans please?
Thank you for another straightforward demonstration of the 6th Order Enclosures (in fact, any of the Orders). Reminds me of the Bose Wave Guide commercial with the candle--got the point across to the viewer. Apparently, I've been missing more than I wish to admit using these pre-fab/generic enclosure for years--"Downtown" was again proof. Keep these formats going. (Now to find a local custom designer/builder 👀🤣)
When tuning a sixth order or quasi (parallel or series) 6th order I start the port tuning at 25hz and 50hz a full octave is usually the best for music. You will usually have to adjust for dips and spikes. To find the octave from your low frequency tuning just double the low tuned frequency. So 22hz to 44hz is an octave. Your going to end up with two peaks around each tuning frequency but some of the roll off can be regained through a boost in the band that suffered.
never built a 6th order but i want to. built 40 or so sealed/ported boxes over the years and i want to expand. i plan to use one or two SP4 18's in the next build.
Super job with that demo! I was laughing with you on that TP just being hammered! LOL. I would have loved to see an impedance curve on that box! That should show the heart beat of that box real good!
6th Order parallel bandpass is my goto. Ports can be made to length of frequencies you want 18-24Hz 1 port and 28-33Hz 2nd port. 1 to 1 without ports included for Deaf Bonce Sport V2. Memphis HPO gets a 1 to 2 and the 2 side is 3cu' and port is 75" and 34" on 1.5cu' side.
Man this beats all other subwoofer box videos you got down on this one I have a completely new understanding now I'm thinking 6th order is the way to go
That’s a very good explanation. I am now considering a sixth order bandpass instead of the fourth for my trunk set up. I like the idea of being able to basically cover the entire bass spectrum and not have to sacrifice. Well done sir!
Are you doing a blow through? I have a chevy silverado I just bought and they did a blow through and the system doesn't sound good or loud at all. I just bought 2 skar audio 15s and 2 2000 thousand watt rms amps for each sub and I want to a 4th order box in the bed of the truck. Will audio shops build stuff like this. I purchased box plans from a website for my set up. Do you think I can take them to a shop to have them build it for me?
sean watts If you have the confidence to build the box yourself do it. But if you don’t and you have some money to spend have a well-known shop that produces SPL vehicles design and make the box/system for you.
sean watts And yes I am doing a blow through, through my center armrest pass-through. It opens up so you can pass the port from the trunk to the interior.
@@mjl6425 how much do you think stuff like that cost. To have a shop design it and I stall everything for me. I have a 2-3k budget. And that's bad ass. I'm new to car audio.
sean watts You’re about on point with your budget. I would call around and get estimates then visit the shops. Then go with the one you like the most. Oh and don’t tell them your budget until you get a price first.
In order not to hear the wind from the port, you need to calculate the port itself with more volume, but being set to the same frequency. There are formulas not to exceed some values to prevent wind blowing.
is it true this an ideal set up for a yukon xl. Or is the shop trying to make more money off me?. What do you thing is the best design for an alpine Series R the new model
Awesome video bro, I got 2 FU750v2 18s on a Alphard M2000D in a 14cubic 12.2 after displacement tuned to 32hrz. Really wanna build a nice 3/1 4th but I'm waiting to get a dB meter so I can do it right. But your video explained a ton in a easy to understand way. Earned you a sub!
That are interesting basics, but, i think you know it, there is way more going on in 4th or 6th order bandpass boxes then you talk about. In a 4th order the closed section gives you more or less spring force to the chassis and a specific resonance frequency. For optimal output, you always have to tune the reflex side of the box to that specific frequency. For a 6th order bandpass you always have to measure the impedance. Everything else is guessing and for away from "optimum". Then there is the damping material and the port resonances at higher frequencys. My statement for 6th order is: don't do it unless you have advanced knowledge in electronic networks.
Of course this video could've been more in-depth, but my purpose was to speak to guys on a budget and DIY. for us, keeping it simple is the best way to go. If you overstate things, it becomes complicated and boring. I could've talked more about differences between efficiency, linearity and frequency response bandwidth, but unless enough people mention it.... Just keep it simple and keep bassing!
BudgetBassHead great response....when it gets too scientific..like taking box rise in the equasion(sorry for the spelling) people will think its way too difficult....this was a great video for starters...makes me want to get ready for an other box build...thnx
Bro. I need 4 15 sub ported box for a yukon xl. I want my front wall 2 in in rest 1 inch. I want it tuned to 28hz. Could u build one for me to spec for my truck?
In order to get an equal db response at both ports, the chamber are typically different sizes; with the low end being the larger. If the chambers were the same size, the higher frequencies will be quite noticeably LOUDER than the lower end frequencies. Making your music seem unbalanced and peaky on the high side.
This is easily the best explanation I've seen on bandpass... Congrats sir.
This is amazing. I never would've believed that the two ports would really act according to tuning with just one sub
Whilst a little long winded, this explains whats going on visually really well.
Spot on. Now I wanna build one!!
Man I never got that into boxes. In the 80s we made the boxes big as possible. And sealed. I burned my share of The Punch subs usually from over excursion. Then I got an Orion DVC in a ported box and those slammed but not for metal. I like that kick drum bass. After 30 years I just put 2 alpine type x 12s in sealed box and gave it hell. Sounds better than I ever had in my younger days. Keep bassin. Thanks for explaining the 6th order that is legit
You need to give classes on proper and interesting commentary in yt vids. Extremely well organized thoughts and clear points. I wish I had that talent. Bravo.
I have seen a lot of videos on 6th order bandpass enclosures, and this is the best simplified explanation and demonstration I’ve seen on YT. Congrats.
Thanks! New demo coming soon
this is a really nice way to actually show what is happening within a 6th order! everyone usually just shows the impressive box but not how its actually working!
Nothing better than a visual lesson thank you for the demo
Liked the fact you gave visual examples with the music playing rather then some charts. I completely understood what you was explaining once I got to see it.
Never really researched these types of boxes but your demonstration really gave me a good idea of how these boxes work. Thank you
Thanks for this. I had a crappy enclosure and i turned it into a 4th order, now i get way more bass even if i drive it full range.
Out of all my years!! I never understood till now!!! Thank you teacher!!!! Now i wanna do 6th order!!!! Cuz I understand what your saying!!!! I like how you use the music genre to be clear on the bass sound!
Thank you for the information. Explained the purpose very well with clear cut visuals of how the frequencies respond. DOPE!!!
Thanks for the interest in the build. I've got another video on this enclosure coming really soon. Stay tuned!
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This is the most entertaining and informative bass channel on TH-cam hands down
Thanks for the support 🤟
Hey man, i just wanted to thank you for the series on bandpass boxes that you did. I have always been curious about them and your videos motivated me to make one. I just finished it up today and it sounds amazing. At just 75 watts it will shake the tin on the outside of the shop. I kinda went to the extremes on the dimensions but it works really well. It's a Skar IX-8, 4 cuft (yes four) tuned to 35hz, and 1 cuft tuned to 80hz. Thanks again man! Keep the awesome videos coming!
I would love to see a demo of this!
Awesome breakdown of the 6th order vs 4th order. If you want to make those pieces of toilet paper mover, you should run a bass sweep. That should show the ultimate drop!
Nice vid man. I'm a 6th order man myself and just got done completing one for a 12 type r. I've been building 6th order enclosures for over 15 years and I've built numerous sealed and 4th orders as well. People you can NOT beat a 6th order. If you love the ground pounding lows but still wanna catch other frequencies.. 6th order all the way.. People get in my ride and assume I have a pair of 15's. I can make 1 modest ten sound like a high end 15. 6th order pounds and pounds and pounds no doubt.
Another thing that I recently discovered man, aero ports I'm an absolute believer. I was a vent man myself and still vent my cone side but the magnet side aero port and I swear to me better response and better delivery. Mad props tho I'm by no means discrediting your enclosure. Just something I figured I'd say to a fellow 6th order man in case you wanted to experiment in the future. Laters man!
Thanks for the tip. I've been curious about aero ports for a while and always cheaped out for the vent. But do to your advice, my next build just may include an aero port. Thanks.
BudgetBassHead yes, go for aero ports and watch out not going too big in diameter. Large ports give you great output, but many nasty resonances above your target bandwitch.
Good tip.
I have a 4th order 2 x 10" in my trunk and the bass is just not coming through to the front. tried moving it around and still no joy.. maybe 6th order or 8th order is what I need? can you share plans please?
Thank you for another straightforward demonstration of the 6th Order Enclosures (in fact, any of the Orders). Reminds me of the Bose Wave Guide commercial with the candle--got the point across to the viewer.
Apparently, I've been missing more than I wish to admit using these pre-fab/generic enclosure for years--"Downtown" was again proof. Keep these formats going. (Now to find a local custom designer/builder 👀🤣)
The best system I've ever heard was 2 Cerwin Vega 12s sealed. It was so smooth with deep bass!!
This is definitely the best explanation for bandpass boxes on TH-cam. Thanks for the great content man! Earned a sub :)
Welcome to the channel. Stay tuned for more content!
Just gained another subscriber! Excellent explaining!
When tuning a sixth order or quasi (parallel or series) 6th order I start the port tuning at 25hz and 50hz a full octave is usually the best for music. You will usually have to adjust for dips and spikes. To find the octave from your low frequency tuning just double the low tuned frequency. So 22hz to 44hz is an octave. Your going to end up with two peaks around each tuning frequency but some of the roll off can be regained through a boost in the band that suffered.
Anyway I can contact u I got questions on building a 6th order box looking to build on for a zvx15v2 in a yukon
@@jafet420337did ya evr git that 6th built?
I wish you would talk about box rise and its resistance to the driver. You explain everything in great details! loving it.
bruh, thank you for the awsome demo you gave us to learn the difference between 4th and 6th order boxes. You did better than MBE.
daym Steve Harvey builds badass boxes lol
George Rodriguez choked on my vape reading that. He does kinda sound like him. LOL
Hell naaaaaah! 😄
FML.... RIGHT ON THE MONEY!!!
My thoughts exactly
George Rodriguez You stupid. Lol!
I'm grateful for the time you take and do these videos, I learned so much. Thank you.
You are so welcome🤘
So you're basically designing and tuning 2 different boxes for the one driver...that's dope af...gotta try this!!!
Let us know how it turns out!
Bout the best example of each type of box fam. Well done.💯
Thank you for sharing your knowledge, this just changed some Dynamics in my thinking. The tissue-test needs to be patented :)
Dude, absolutely beautiful!! You definitely are amazing at explaining stuff
Cheers for the video. Found it educational in many ways, will surely help in my projects.
im glad i found this video im new to the game and been wondering what the difference was
Great job on that build and thanks for the info i have a much better understanding now. Thanks for sharing.
Good video for audio guys. I known about 4th order but not that 6th orders ports can be tuned for different frequencies.
never built a 6th order but i want to. built 40 or so sealed/ported boxes over the years and i want to expand. i plan to use one or two SP4 18's in the next build.
Excellent education and demystifycation (sp) of the "hidden speaker" box designs.
Wow!! very good video explaining the 6th order band pass.
I love the way you talk. I'm hooked. Great job
What is the measurement and dimensions for 8 inch subwoofer to build 6th order box?... please give me the measurements.
Wow, great Vid and visual representation, thanks for taking the time to show and explain this properly !
Super job with that demo! I was laughing with you on that TP just being hammered! LOL. I would have loved to see an impedance curve on that box! That should show the heart beat of that box real good!
6th Order parallel bandpass is my goto. Ports can be made to length of frequencies you want 18-24Hz 1 port and 28-33Hz 2nd port. 1 to 1 without ports included for Deaf Bonce Sport V2. Memphis HPO gets a 1 to 2 and the 2 side is 3cu' and port is 75" and 34" on 1.5cu' side.
Outstanding, and educated understanding of the way it works. Thank you. I'm now a scriber.
Best explanation I've seen ever...awesome job!
Great understanding of ported boxes much help thanks for info
Man this beats all other subwoofer box videos you got down on this one I have a completely new understanding now I'm thinking 6th order is the way to go
If you build one, let us know how it turns out.
That is crazy, I never would have believed it 😆 thanks!
Any time!
that explanation was just all kinds of proper.
Adam Zaloga' thanks. Stay tuned; I got more coming for you guys.
Speechless... Awesome and informative. Thanks for sharing
That bass is nasty! Beautiful lows. Great setup bro!
Nice job mate very well explained.
I used the TP on this channel for my 6th order parallel bandpass. 1:1 1port is to spec 25.59"L 50"² the other port is 34-37"L 65"² .
Wow, that sounds like a low-end favorite
6Hz-29Hz
I have 2-12s in a 6th order box. And i can bang out rock or thump rap with no problem. Takes up more space. But worth it.
Cool asf I didn’t know any of this about 6th orders
That’s a very good explanation. I am now considering a sixth order bandpass instead of the fourth for my trunk set up. I like the idea of being able to basically cover the entire bass spectrum and not have to sacrifice. Well done sir!
Are you doing a blow through? I have a chevy silverado I just bought and they did a blow through and the system doesn't sound good or loud at all. I just bought 2 skar audio 15s and 2 2000 thousand watt rms amps for each sub and I want to a 4th order box in the bed of the truck. Will audio shops build stuff like this. I purchased box plans from a website for my set up. Do you think I can take them to a shop to have them build it for me?
sean watts If you have the confidence to build the box yourself do it. But if you don’t and you have some money to spend have a well-known shop that produces SPL vehicles design and make the box/system for you.
sean watts And yes I am doing a blow through, through my center armrest pass-through. It opens up so you can pass the port from the trunk to the interior.
@@mjl6425 how much do you think stuff like that cost. To have a shop design it and I stall everything for me. I have a 2-3k budget. And that's bad ass. I'm new to car audio.
sean watts You’re about on point with your budget. I would call around and get estimates then visit the shops. Then go with the one you like the most. Oh and don’t tell them your budget until you get a price first.
Wow best demo vid ever!
Great info man, really helps being able to watch the ports. Got yourself another sub
I knew about the enclosures but didnt know about the frequency. Great lesson
Man, thank you for this explanation. I understand more within the first 2:31 then all of the other 30min videos.
Very good vid man. Now this gave me an idea that I was hoping for
That lowend by dorrough would be a great test song for the lows
In order not to hear the wind from the port, you need to calculate the port itself with more volume, but being set to the same frequency. There are formulas not to exceed some values to prevent wind blowing.
Just saw your second video. You took it into account as well. You rock man! Good luck!
Илья Мазин stay tuned, I got another project underway. Hope you guys like it. Thanks
I need this in my life.
Awesome demonstration of what a 6th order is supposed to do. Great job SUBBED!
Welcome to the channel Thanks for the support 🤟
Very informative and when you said SCREWED music I had to subscribe.
Great demonstration!
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Excellent tutorial as always Sir.
Thank you. I wished you made
the top out of plexiglass for
better visuals & too show off
your work.
Damn nice job!! Great explanations in a precise manner! Thank you!
is it true this an ideal set up for a yukon xl. Or is the shop trying to make more money off me?. What do you thing is the best design for an alpine Series R the new model
Very informative, Thanks!
Excellent video sir, thanks for the info.
its a really good video but i think some frequenzy curves can help to understand it
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Great vid man great explanation thanks!!
Awesome video bro, I got 2 FU750v2 18s on a Alphard M2000D in a 14cubic 12.2 after displacement tuned to 32hrz. Really wanna build a nice 3/1 4th but I'm waiting to get a dB meter so I can do it right. But your video explained a ton in a easy to understand way. Earned you a sub!
Yeah we've all heard a milli and you just screwed me over on hearing it again. I was getting into it lol
Thanks for explaining this Hebrew. I was super confused 😂
And thank you for the support!
Damn bro ,a 20hz response must be insane for SQ at 80 to 90 dB listening levels .
80 to 90? Hahahah, more like 100-110
That are interesting basics, but, i think you know it, there is way more going on in 4th or 6th order bandpass boxes then you talk about.
In a 4th order the closed section gives you more or less spring force to the chassis and a specific resonance frequency. For optimal output, you always have to tune the reflex side of the box to that specific frequency.
For a 6th order bandpass you always have to measure the impedance. Everything else is guessing and for away from "optimum". Then there is the damping material and the port resonances at higher frequencys.
My statement for 6th order is: don't do it unless you have advanced knowledge in electronic networks.
Of course this video could've been more in-depth, but my purpose was to speak to guys on a budget and DIY. for us, keeping it simple is the best way to go. If you overstate things, it becomes complicated and boring. I could've talked more about differences between efficiency, linearity and frequency response bandwidth, but unless enough people mention it.... Just keep it simple and keep bassing!
BudgetBassHead great response....when it gets too scientific..like taking box rise in the equasion(sorry for the spelling) people will think its way too difficult....this was a great video for starters...makes me want to get ready for an other box build...thnx
He did a great job. He K.I.S.S.'ed it. Keep It Simple Stupid lol. I think most people will understand the way he explained it.
Thanks for this extra info
Of course someone like you has to chime in. Bet people love your ass at work and parties.
If math in school was like this. I would have stayed in 👍👍👍
Very nice bass
Awesome demo !
Show us the graph that belongs to this enclosure? What did it look like in WinISD
Thank you bro may I ask can you do this with any subwoofers I run a audiopipe txx-bd4 12
I’d love to have a 6th order for my two SA X-6.5s
This is an awesome video man
Damn that's pretty cool bruh
Paul pierce FTW! very informative
Bro. I need 4 15 sub ported box for a yukon xl. I want my front wall 2 in in rest 1 inch. I want it tuned to 28hz. Could u build one for me to spec for my truck?
What software are you using for builds? I’ve been looking for something for months, unsure what to use.
Win isd pro got it
Cool video bro .. thanks for the vivid explanation... u just earned a sub bro really really cool video
Respect you sir!This is the best!
Nice video bro. What will happen if I make both Chambers the Same size?
In order to get an equal db response at both ports, the chamber are typically different sizes; with the low end being the larger. If the chambers were the same size, the higher frequencies will be quite noticeably LOUDER than the lower end frequencies. Making your music seem unbalanced and peaky on the high side.
Thank you
Really cool
Great video
Glad you enjoyed it
Nicely demonstrated!!
Glad you enjoyed it. Do me a favor and share the video. TH-cam Don't suggest my videos because they're not shared enough.
I got you brotha💪🏾
Nice video , Nice Video
What do you recommend tunning if listening to alot of old school oldies like the Isley brothers and the gap band etc
Thanks for the great video