Thanks for the shout-out! Glad I could contribute, and sorry you got wet. Look on the bright side- if you went looking for some of the other stones like these, you could have been halfway up a mountain somewhere in the rain. Great video.
Hi Darren - sorry it was peeing down when you came to visit us! Not much of a welcome ! Good one ,hope you got to see the Allerton oak, voted Britains favourite tree 🏴
Hi Carol, I was back in Liverpool a few weeks later and it was glorious! Something about taking a camera makes it rain. I didn’t get to see the oak as the filming schedule was a bit tight that day, but I knew it was there. It’s a lovely park for folks living round there - even on a day like that.
Yes it's miles from me though haven't been for yonks- it has a large colony of ring necked parakeets now, our late parrot was a ringneck- not one of the Calder stones ones! 🏴
@@WC21UKProductionsLtdA true saying we say in Liverpool is you never walk alone. I spent my childhood there before I moved to northuberland 50 yrs ago
Hugely enjoyable, once more and isn't it lovely getting the chance to insert a little interview - makes such a difference! I did sense how your blood was beginning to boil when you reported about the annihilation of the original Calderstone site. I remember feeling the same when I learnt more and more about the carnage at Belas Knap.
Cheers Matthias! Glad you enjoyed it. It is heartbreaking when you look into these sites that survived thousands of years only to be destroyed in the last couple of hundred years. But at least these 6 or 7 stones survived and what a journey they’ve had!
Yes indeed. It’s sad that the burial mound was destroyed, but at least someone saved these 6 stones. I like that they’re still in the rough proximity. Quite special to have Neolithic remains in a modern city and I really enjoyed the incongruous sight of the Robin Hood Stone on a residential street!
Cheers Hedley. Peter was great fun! He’s lived in that house for 40 years and had no idea the Robin Hood Stone used to stand there. I have recently been looking into the filming locations for The Inn of the Sixth Happiness, because they used a Roman road for some of the scenes. Peter was a bit surprised by how much I knew about the film!
Thanks Andrew! There is something special about Neolithic survivals in this built up landscape, isn’t there? The sight of Robin Hood’s Stone on a residential road junction was quite surreal!
Well, I never knew that. It is a shame that the stones were moved, but progress stops for no man. I'm not convinced that John Lennon etched on the stone. As for ley lines 'not existing', next you will be telling me there is no Easter Bunny. Another great video, very informative Darren. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Chris. Unfortunately I find destruction of ancient sites on a frequent basis, but at least someone did recognise the importance of these stones, eventually, I guess. Yes, I was a bit surprised by the John Lennon graffiti. Probably as solid as ley lines!
Hi Darren, What a great story!! Great suggestion from Chris and big thanks to Roy for showing you the stones and for Peter for being completely baffled, and sharing his film star photos. Really enjoyed watching. Great bit of editing incorporating the old maps and photos together with the Liverpool as it is today. All in all I think we are lucky that the stones have survived at all, how many have disappeared over the whole country, maybe though there are still more to be discovered? The bird carving, discovered by that little boy, looks remarkably similar to that used as a motif in the local pottery here going back eons and still adorns new pieces today. I suppose it's as well you didn't try singing the theme tune to the Liver Birds, you really need the Scouse accent to make a decent fist of it. You could have used the last verse of Marvellous by another Liverpool band, the Lightning Seeds. I can just see you making special emphasis on the last line ...... Now you'll never be sure if this is the time If this is the moment the end of the line You'll never decide You used to know but now you've forgotten A submarine got stuck to the bottom These are the days so wake up 'Cause this is the time And you know I'm right All the best!!
I love that last line, David! I will have to check that one out and possibly learn it! Glad you enjoyed it - I found it a fascinating, if somewhat distressing, story. Imagine bulldozing a Neolithic Dolmen so you can build a house! As you say, at least they have survived and seem to be better cared for nowadays. Peter and Roy were great. People there are so friendly.
A very interesting vid. As well as adventurous to head out in that weather!. I couldn't decide whether you needed an umbrella or a lifeboat on occasions. And yes, we did all expect a rendition of 'Ferry cross the Mersey' at some stage, I heard it being snuck in at the end. 🤣
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I hear the national grid had plugged themselves into Gerry Marsden's grave, given the spinning he was doing in his grave at the prospect of you singing a full version of his classic.
Sorry I'm very late to the party here! Fascinating video, and quite a different style from your usual - I'm very impressed by your ever expanding range! Also well done for persevering despite the awful weather. I love these little remnants of antiquity in forgotten corners of urban sprawl!
Glad you enjoyed it and thank you! I really enjoyed making this one - more than I'd expected to and despite the weather - there is something rather marvelous about finding Neolithic remains in suburbia. Robin Hood's Stone on the corner of those 1920s' streets was something else. I see you have been out wild camping - hopefully better weather than I've been having to contend with - will watch that now!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I found the interview segments particularly impressive - to me that feels like a hurdle of making videos I'm just not quite ready for yet! It's one thing to goof around pointing a camera at myself with nobody else there at the time to bear witness to the idiocy, safe in the knowledge I can just delete any or all of the footage and nobody but me would ever remember it happened... but quite another thing to engage another human being in the endeavour, who is a complete stranger, and might scoff at the whole thing or take the discussion in some weird and unexpected direction... The weather on my wild camp expedition would probably be considered by most people to be far from ideal but I had a great time regardless! Well I say that - I barely got any sleep and the walk back to civilisation the next morning was a bit of a weary trudge... but in hindsight a small price to pay for that heady sense of freedom!
Thank you! The opportunities arose to involve Roy and Peter so I just ran with it. I thought they were both good sports and it was odd, to say the least, that Peter had appeared in that film - I’d literally been researching the locations that week, because they shot on a Roman road in Snowdonia! I’ve just watched your video and I’m flabbergasted! I really don’t know how you do it, but you obviously enjoy it! You deserve a medal just for putting wet socks on in the morning!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Yes he did: we were in the same class @ Quarry Bank for the first three years and then in the same French class for years 4 & 5. I remember him with clarity, even though we not chums-simply fellow classmates. Take care my friend.
If you go down quarry street there’s a deep cutting in the sandstone and some bungalows have been built in there, you can see the sheer face of the cutting which to me was probably the site of at least some of the quarrying. I believe that many of the cottages in the area were built for quarry workers. Apparently there were three sites one on School lane and also one on Woolton hill road and there’s a tunnel too (which can be accessed via Reynolds park on Church road) however it’s difficult to access although there’s an excellent video you can watch if you do a Google search. The quarry provided the sandstone for the Anglican cathedral up until it’s completion in 1978. I hope you find this helpful.
In Cornwall in the late 80s I came across people worshipping a stone in a field and feeling its 'energy'. Looked on my map and it was a cattle-rub, erected by a farmer so his cows could scratch their butts. I walked on... Didn't have the heart to ruin their day. 😊
The origins of the stone *might* have been Neolithic though. It was common practice to repurpose the conveniently shaped uprights from fallen burial mounds for buildings, gate posts or scratching posts. Cornwall has documented sites where old burial mounds have been dismantled and the most useful stones repurposed for newer buildings.
Thank you, fascinating as usual. I would be interested in your views on ley lines as you seemed to sit on the fence :-). Apropos of nothing really but I was, when young, fortunate enough to meet Gladys Aylward. She had an amazing charisma striking even to a child.
Thank you! I did read up on ley lines years ago - probably believed in them for a bit! Age has made me cynical. Incredible that you met Gladys. I think the film took a lot of liberties with her story, from what I understand. She’s still held in high regard in China and Taiwan, I believe. It was a strange coincidence meeting Peter, given that he appeared in that film and I have been researching the filming locations over the last few weeks - because they shot scenes on a Roman road. Hey, perhaps it was the ley lines!
I've found human foot prints on the ridge on Bidston hill looks like a woman's or a young person and a infant around 2 maybe 3 yrs old could show you if its of interest to you love the show cheers
Many standing stones and sites across the country linked with the name of Robin Hood (Robin Hoods stride not far from us here in the Peak District). Some suggestion that this may have been tied up with the 'Old Gods' and the Green Man archetype representing nature and forests...
Yes, there’s something more to the Robin Hood myth - something more ancient I think. Haven’t been to Robin Hood’s Stride for years - what a great place. Cheers.
On the top ridge line near the windmill there is or was a soft patch of light mud I've found foot pints in it .The ridge is 245 million yrs old sets you thinking doesn't it happy to show you its only a ten minute walk cheers Ian ..
@WC21UKProductionsLtd yes there is a horse head that I know the position of and a sun god effigy in another area all over 245 million year old well worth a stroll
Very interesting thanks. So way back ..BC etc, it would have been celts there? Interesting recent history too, what with the influx of Irish Catholics in the 1800’s. pardon my silly questions but I live in New Zealand so am just a little interested about UK history. Thanks Dave 🇬🇧 🇳🇿
Thank you David and no problem about the questions - it’s really rewarding to get engagement. Yes, the stones date back around 5,000 years and would have been constructed by late Neolithic people. They were the ones who settled and farmed and yes, they were Celtic. Although I believe we’re not meant to use that word now - for some reason! I think the distinctive Liverpool accent comes from those Irish immigrants. It’s one of the few regional accents that is not disappearing. Thank you for watching and commenting. Cheers.
Sorry to be a pedant but in 5000 bc they were not "celts". As far as I can remember, such a term really only relates to the iron age and comes from the le tene culture in, I think, Austria. It is more of a cultural assemblage than a race (again as far as I know!) This culture spread across North Western Europe. In 5000 bc I guess they are grooved ware people who seem to be responsible for much of the "megalithic" structures in Britain. These people predated the more famous "beaker" people. I'm sure someone will correct me where I'm wrong!
@@SamHarrison-oe3fn You’re correct. Celtic languages did not come into these isles until approximately 1500BC, and even then, genetic testing has shown there was more genetic diversity between the Celts of Cornwall and neighbouring Devon than there was between the Celts of Northern England and Scotland, for example. So they were not a race but a culture, and even then a very loose one. Now, however, England is England (Anglaland, land of the Angles) and we now have a Germanic culture with those Celtic ones pushed to the peripheries - Cornwall, Wales, and western and the highlands of Scotland (the lowlands where Scots is spoken is also Germanic in culture and marked the extent of Anglo-Saxon settlement. Edinburgh itself was an Anglo-Saxon burgh. It was the Bell Beaker culture that predated the “Celts”, but it was the Neolithic farmers from Anatolia who built our grand stone monuments. So it goes like this: Neolithic farmers arriving circa 4000BC, 90% genetic wipeout and replaced by Bell Beaker culture around 2400BC (who were the first to resemble modern Brits, aka white) and then the Celts from the continent who married locals, which acted as a vector for Celtic languages to spread, but did not genetically replace the Bell Beakers fully, just the culture; these then become the ancient Britons who were then subjugated by Rome (but not genetically) and then the Anglo-Saxon migration, of whom the Anglo-Saxons contribute about 40% of the modern Englishman’s DNA.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Our Scouse accent is a combination of Irish, Welsh, and, surprisingly, Norwegian. It is from the Norwegian dish that we take our name (Lobscouse). This is why Scouse doesn’t sound like Irish despite having a lot of linguistic similarities - it is mostly a blend of those three, but you are right in that the accent did not emerge until around the time of Irish emigration, and before then Liverpudlians had a Lancashire accent. Liverpool is known as both “the capital of North Wales”, and also “the most Irish city outside of Ireland” and also sometimes the “true capital of Ireland”.
Some people believe the grooves in the stones may have been caused by years of ploughing over it, when it was laid flat in the field, although I’m not sure about that myself.
Very interesting but just one small thing. HMHB are not from Liverpool, they're from Birkenhead. As the Tranmere Rovers' supporters say, "Don't be mistaken, don't be mislead. We're not Scousers. we're from Birkenhead".
@WC21UKProductionsLtd I'm actually local to the area. I was doing my research on the history of waterways and the 'pool' which Liverpool is named after, when I came across these rune stones. My sons school is around the corner from them, so I picked him up one that and took my uninterested son to see them. Its crazy what those people done to that mound. It would be a World Heritage site these days. It's still a very interesting story and I'm glad I've seen them. They resemble ones I've also seen in Norway. Thanks for the video. I will make my son watch later. Liked and subbed.
@@sof5858 I know - think what a draw it would be if they were still in situ. But as things have gone the way they have, I quite like their new setting - probably better than baking in that greenhouse. Thanks for subscribing and welcome.
Never get me wrong folks, I respect Mr WC21's crooning abilities to hold a note. I am certain he's capable of holding a note hostage until the coffee ransom is paid. Buy the gent a coffee 🤣.
@@ENGLISHMURPHY Hi, it’s the name of an album by Half Man Half Biscuit - I put it in there to see if anyone would notice the apparent mistake and you did!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd have you watched any ALAN WILSON HISTORIAN ON TH-cam? He has discovered the real British History? King Arthur 1 +2 ,the lost tribes, the holy family, reading hieroglyphs with the Welsh language and much more
I could have sworn the Calderstones were in Birmingham. But then again they don’t have that accent do they? I’m from Birmingham, but not the same one. Yet another accent to deal with. Incidentally the weather here in Nashville is identical to the video so it really gave me the immersive experience. Pun not intended. Honest.
Thanks Jim. Understandable mistake as you’ve simply confused the two places in England with the most distinctive accents! Easily done. That you’ve heard of the Calderstones is more than impressive. I am strangely comforted to hear that we’re not alone with this weather!
Half Man Half Biscuit and ancient history. Win, win. "I hate Nerys Hughes" 😜 I remember the Liverbirds also. "Where's me rabbits?" I'd better subscribe hadn't I? (PS my channel is no longer active but I'm the one in the top hat)
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Looking forward to more exploration! You do it so I don't have to🤣😝 I now do a solo show every saturday on a new channel. The hat is forlorn and gathering dust though..
I remember seeing these stones when they were in the heated palm house. So very sad to see the old glasses house empty, it was shameful what the local Lefty Labour politicians did to what was a wonderful botanic garden back in the 80's. Amazing that you discovered the actor Peter Foo who was in the film "Inn of the Sixth Happiness" filmed in North Wales.
Thanks. It was astonishing with Peter - I’d been researching that film the week before because they shot some scenes on a Roman road. And then an actor from the film happened to live in the house where the Robin Hood’s Stone used to stand. A “strange but true” situation!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd What an amazing coincidence. My mum liked that film., but the true story of Gladys Aylward deserves a bigger budget remake filmed in China, because she was such a remarkable woman
What is it with Robin Hood? That bloke gets everywhere if you believe in that sort of rubbish. If he had visited every site attributed to him he would have had no time to ‘rob from the rich and give to the poor…. himself’. Either that or he was just a crap navigator as depicted in ‘Robin Hood Prince of Thieves’ when he traveled from Dover to Nottingham via Hadrians Wall for some reason. Still, there was no GPS in those days. Near where I live there are two standing stones that simply mark a trackway used to carry stone from a quarry to the river Nene to avoid a toll road. Of course they are called Robin Hood and Little John. Anyway, rant over and thanks for another great video🙏
Thank you, Graham. I seem to encounter Robin Hood and King Arthur on a regular basis - regardless of where I am in the country! They both really got around. I need to look into whether other countries have these ubiquitous, fictional characters!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Australia has a Ned Kelly everywhere, the folk heros were always popular with working men, poor hero fighting the oppressing law
dint even concider liverpoll had them my dad was from liverp00l1915 and his family went back many decades befoe that and even hundreds on his dad side of family
Who would have guessed? Liverpool a Mecca for Neolithic standing stones. Nope! B grade for effort to generate a story from a bunch of highly mobile stones with markings. Has there been any archeological study of the stones?
Cheers Andrew - yes, I was surprised by this, but I guess it makes sense - close to the coast and we know there was travel across the Irish Sea in the Neolithic. The stones were studied in detail in the later Victorian period and that helped to save them, I think. They were appalled that the burial mound had been destroyed. More work in the 50s and that’s when they realised the stones were Neolithic, as opposed to Bronze Age. That resulted in them being moved to the greenhouse. They’ve had a challenging couple of hundred years, but at least they seem to be cared for now.
There has been plenty of study on the stones but perhaps, more importantly, there has been more study of done piecing together the prehistorical movements of humans in the area since the last ice-age finished and people started moving back from the European continent of which, the 'Britain' peninsula was joined to until 8000 years ago. It was the Neolithic immigrants who brought their ideas of farming and erecting stone monuments to the newly created island of 'Britain' and its existing population of hunter-gatherers. It is this point in history which underpins the appearance of the stone monuments throughout the British isles, including the area known as 'Merseyside' today, which had sandstone as its geology and could be worked with flint and chert imported from the North Wales area. It is also this point in history where we see the ideas of permanent settlements being made, due to the new ideas of clearing spaces to keep animals and grow grain. There is plenty of archaeological evidence of the Mesolithic, Neolithic and Bronze Age occupation of the region - and it's still giving up its secrets.
@@Nah44447 check out “Mysteries of the Long Man” that I posted on Sunday for a defence of ley lines by Tweedy Outdoors. I’m tempted to do a video on the subject - it seems to be quite a frothy debate.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd when you realise “they” built a lot of the churches and even football stadiums on these lines you know there is far more significance to them than “they” tell us.
Thank you kindly! In hindsight I’m reconsidering. Perhaps the ley lines led me to Peter. Bizarrely, I have been researching the filming locations for the Inn of the Sixth Happiness - they used a Roman road - and then I happened to meet someone who was in the film….did the ley lines lead me there?!
Ley lines don’t exist 😂😂😂 Oh dear. I take what you meant to say was you don’t understand them and aren’t qualified to talk about them. Ley lines were not ‘discovered’ it was merely a name attributed to something that has been recognised around the globe for millennia. Instead of dismissing things you don’t comprehend why don’t you just ask questions instead? I’m sure they’ll be plenty of people happy to educate you.
@@Porkcylinder Hi, it was a joke for another TH-camr and entirely frivolous. Apologies if it caused any upset. By an extraordinary coincidence, you can see us discussing the subject on tomorrow’s video, which I hope you enjoy. Thank you.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd sorry it’s just that o see these self appointed geniuses like Brian cox and Steven fry constantly mocking and pouring scorn on subjects they clearly know painfully little about and denouncing believers as ‘tin foil hat idiots’ etc. yet if you question their beliefs unhinged beliefs on say the climate cult youre a ‘denier’ they make me want to vomit tbh. Just seemed like a continuation of the narrative. Fair enough if not. Interesting videos otherwise. I often switch off tv programs the second they start spouting nonsense about Pyramids, stone circles etc. these things are beyond their comprehension.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtdI would suggest you look at the subject with a more open mind , ancient civilisations understood earth sciences a lot more than our current one does , stonehenge directly lines up with the ring of brodgar in Orkney , the geographic precision cannot be overlooked or underestimated
I am blown away how well this vid has performed ...Well done Mr WC21...You guys included are utterly amazing! I love Liverpool
Cheers. I'm actually really delighted how this one has done - never had such a warm welcome at any other filming location.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Take an under 250g drone to an EH site ..I'm sure they'd be more welcoming
Thanks for the shout-out! Glad I could contribute, and sorry you got wet. Look on the bright side- if you went looking for some of the other stones like these, you could have been halfway up a mountain somewhere in the rain. Great video.
It was my pleasure, Chris! I appreciate the recommendation. It’s a really interesting story and I enjoyed looking into it.
9:48... perfectly put!!
Ha! Cheers Paul!
Just Amazing..!!
I agree! I love those stones and their survival. Cheers.
Hi Darren - sorry it was peeing down when you came to visit us! Not much of a welcome ! Good one ,hope you got to see the Allerton oak, voted Britains favourite tree 🏴
Hi Carol, I was back in Liverpool a few weeks later and it was glorious! Something about taking a camera makes it rain.
I didn’t get to see the oak as the filming schedule was a bit tight that day, but I knew it was there. It’s a lovely park for folks living round there - even on a day like that.
Yes it's miles from me though haven't been for yonks- it has a large colony of ring necked parakeets now, our late parrot was a ringneck- not one of the Calder stones ones! 🏴
Excellent guests this week friendly people in Liverpool. Those stones had a rough life.
Peter and Roy were great. Liverpool is so different to other cities - people want to talk and engage.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtdA true saying we say in Liverpool is you never walk alone. I spent my childhood there before I moved to northuberland 50 yrs ago
Hugely enjoyable, once more and isn't it lovely getting the chance to insert a little interview - makes such a difference! I did sense how your blood was beginning to boil when you reported about the annihilation of the original Calderstone site. I remember feeling the same when I learnt more and more about the carnage at Belas Knap.
Cheers Matthias! Glad you enjoyed it.
It is heartbreaking when you look into these sites that survived thousands of years only to be destroyed in the last couple of hundred years. But at least these 6 or 7 stones survived and what a journey they’ve had!
👍 It’s a miracle they survived when you think of lots of others that have been broken up for building use.
Yes indeed. It’s sad that the burial mound was destroyed, but at least someone saved these 6 stones. I like that they’re still in the rough proximity. Quite special to have Neolithic remains in a modern city and I really enjoyed the incongruous sight of the Robin Hood Stone on a residential street!
I have never been to Liverpool, interesting video on the Calderstones, thanks. Loved the insights from Peter who lived where the stones were!
Cheers Hedley. Peter was great fun! He’s lived in that house for 40 years and had no idea the Robin Hood Stone used to stand there. I have recently been looking into the filming locations for The Inn of the Sixth Happiness, because they used a Roman road for some of the scenes. Peter was a bit surprised by how much I knew about the film!
Have a weekend in Liverpool. It's a fantastic, vibrant city 😊
Look it up loads to see and do fail to plan plan to not getting all that's available
Half Man Half Biscuit. They were well funny. Blast from the past of my teens. Cheers for remembering.
Cheers! I really like them. They’re still going!
Like he said, they are still going, Nigel should be the poet laureate imho.
Agreed. 100%.
Brilliant stuff. Very interesting and entertaining. I wonder what other prehistoric hidden gems lurk in the suburbs? Keep up the great work. 👏👏👍😀
Thanks Andrew! There is something special about Neolithic survivals in this built up landscape, isn’t there? The sight of Robin Hood’s Stone on a residential road junction was quite surreal!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I hope you do uncover more such oddities 🙏
I’m going to try!
Well, I never knew that. It is a shame that the stones were moved, but progress stops for no man. I'm not convinced that John Lennon etched on the stone. As for ley lines 'not existing', next you will be telling me there is no Easter Bunny. Another great video, very informative Darren. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Chris. Unfortunately I find destruction of ancient sites on a frequent basis, but at least someone did recognise the importance of these stones, eventually, I guess.
Yes, I was a bit surprised by the John Lennon graffiti. Probably as solid as ley lines!
Nice video lads😊😊😊
Thank you!
Very interesting video. Thank you 😊
Thank you!
The Stones weren't from Liverpool. That's the Beatles.
Wish I’d have thought of that!
DROLL
ahahahaha legend
Good one
Hi Darren, What a great story!! Great suggestion from Chris and big thanks to Roy for showing you the stones and for Peter for being completely baffled, and sharing his film star photos. Really enjoyed watching.
Great bit of editing incorporating the old maps and photos together with the Liverpool as it is today. All in all I think we are lucky that the stones have survived at all, how many have disappeared over the whole country, maybe though there are still more to be discovered?
The bird carving, discovered by that little boy, looks remarkably similar to that used as a motif in the local pottery here going back eons and still adorns new pieces today.
I suppose it's as well you didn't try singing the theme tune to the Liver Birds, you really need the Scouse accent to make a decent fist of it. You could have used the last verse of Marvellous by another Liverpool band, the Lightning Seeds. I can just see you making special emphasis on the last line ......
Now you'll never be sure if this is the time
If this is the moment the end of the line
You'll never decide
You used to know but now you've forgotten
A submarine got stuck to the bottom
These are the days so wake up
'Cause this is the time
And you know I'm right
All the best!!
I love that last line, David! I will have to check that one out and possibly learn it!
Glad you enjoyed it - I found it a fascinating, if somewhat distressing, story. Imagine bulldozing a Neolithic Dolmen so you can build a house!
As you say, at least they have survived and seem to be better cared for nowadays.
Peter and Roy were great. People there are so friendly.
A very interesting vid. As well as adventurous to head out in that weather!. I couldn't decide whether you needed an umbrella or a lifeboat on occasions. And yes, we did all expect a rendition of 'Ferry cross the Mersey' at some stage, I heard it being snuck in at the end. 🤣
Cheers Phil. There was a longer version of that song, but I decided to cut it in the interest of good taste!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I hear the national grid had plugged themselves into Gerry Marsden's grave, given the spinning he was doing in his grave at the prospect of you singing a full version of his classic.
Thanks for the interesting video. There were also Standing stones and a possible stone circle on the Wirral.
Thank you! Yes, seems to have been an active area during the Neolithic.
And dinosaur foot prints don't forget
Sorry I'm very late to the party here! Fascinating video, and quite a different style from your usual - I'm very impressed by your ever expanding range! Also well done for persevering despite the awful weather.
I love these little remnants of antiquity in forgotten corners of urban sprawl!
Glad you enjoyed it and thank you!
I really enjoyed making this one - more than I'd expected to and despite the weather - there is something rather marvelous about finding Neolithic remains in suburbia. Robin Hood's Stone on the corner of those 1920s' streets was something else.
I see you have been out wild camping - hopefully better weather than I've been having to contend with - will watch that now!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd I found the interview segments particularly impressive - to me that feels like a hurdle of making videos I'm just not quite ready for yet! It's one thing to goof around pointing a camera at myself with nobody else there at the time to bear witness to the idiocy, safe in the knowledge I can just delete any or all of the footage and nobody but me would ever remember it happened... but quite another thing to engage another human being in the endeavour, who is a complete stranger, and might scoff at the whole thing or take the discussion in some weird and unexpected direction...
The weather on my wild camp expedition would probably be considered by most people to be far from ideal but I had a great time regardless! Well I say that - I barely got any sleep and the walk back to civilisation the next morning was a bit of a weary trudge... but in hindsight a small price to pay for that heady sense of freedom!
Thank you! The opportunities arose to involve Roy and Peter so I just ran with it. I thought they were both good sports and it was odd, to say the least, that Peter had appeared in that film - I’d literally been researching the locations that week, because they shot on a Roman road in Snowdonia!
I’ve just watched your video and I’m flabbergasted! I really don’t know how you do it, but you obviously enjoy it! You deserve a medal just for putting wet socks on in the morning!
You're never too late to the archaeology party!
As someone who used to live near there thanks for the memories!
Thank you and glad it brought back memories for you!
Older than stone henge them Calder stones, the area has lots of influence from druid activity by the looks of it. Great vid.
@@halfsharona thank you! Isn’t it wonderful that they’ve survived, despite everything thrown at them!
So much lovely red sandstone in the area: I went to Quarry Bank High School for Boys, BUT just where the quarry was I know not. Thanks for this amigo.
Cheers Bruce - glad you enjoyed it. Didn't John Lennon go to that school?
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Yes he did: we were in the same class @ Quarry Bank for the first three years and then in the same French class for years 4 & 5. I remember him with clarity, even though we not chums-simply fellow classmates. Take care my friend.
If you go down quarry street there’s a deep cutting in the sandstone and some bungalows have been built in there, you can see the sheer face of the cutting which to me was probably the site of at least some of the quarrying. I believe that many of the cottages in the area were built for quarry workers. Apparently there were three sites one on School lane and also one on Woolton hill road and there’s a tunnel too (which can be accessed via Reynolds park on Church road) however it’s difficult to access although there’s an excellent video you can watch if you do a Google search. The quarry provided the sandstone for the Anglican cathedral up until it’s completion in 1978. I hope you find this helpful.
@@lynby6231 great - the sandstone was very distinctive. Fascinating that clues to the Neolithic past survive in the modern built environment.
@@lynby6231 Using memory only and not checking anywhere, I recall our school motto was EX HOC METALLO VIRTUTEM [ or something close to this].
In Cornwall in the late 80s I came across people worshipping a stone in a field and feeling its 'energy'. Looked on my map and it was a cattle-rub, erected by a farmer so his cows could scratch their butts. I walked on... Didn't have the heart to ruin their day. 😊
That's a great story and I bet that's not the only time things like that have happened!
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The origins of the stone *might* have been Neolithic though. It was common practice to repurpose the conveniently shaped uprights from fallen burial mounds for buildings, gate posts or scratching posts. Cornwall has documented sites where old burial mounds have been dismantled and the most useful stones repurposed for newer buildings.
@@thedrumdoctor yes, but it was no longer on its Ley-line, so it wasn't working properly...
@@mike-myke22 maybe they were feeding off the energy left by generations of sacred cow’s butt-scratching rituals?
Very interesting video.
And never underestimate schoolboys. You were one once too.
Thank you! Yes I was - a very long time ago!
Thank you, fascinating as usual. I would be interested in your views on ley lines as you seemed to sit on the fence :-). Apropos of nothing really but I was, when young, fortunate enough to meet Gladys Aylward. She had an amazing charisma striking even to a child.
Thank you!
I did read up on ley lines years ago - probably believed in them for a bit! Age has made me cynical.
Incredible that you met Gladys. I think the film took a lot of liberties with her story, from what I understand. She’s still held in high regard in China and Taiwan, I believe.
It was a strange coincidence meeting Peter, given that he appeared in that film and I have been researching the filming locations over the last few weeks - because they shot scenes on a Roman road. Hey, perhaps it was the ley lines!
Peter Foo -- I initially thought was in the cast for '3 Body Problem'
I’ve not seen that. Peter said he hasn’t acted in anything for years. He was 14 when he appeared in the Inn of the Sixth Happiness.
I've found human foot prints on the ridge on Bidston hill looks like a woman's or a young person and a infant around 2 maybe 3 yrs old could show you if its of interest to you love the show cheers
Ooh - that sounds interesting! Would be interested to know more about that.
Love the shirt and tie, reminds me of me in my younger days, when I was more elegant. Now it's permanent shorts and no ties.
Thank you. That’s a new shirt in the bits filmed in my “studio” - I’m really pleased with it!
Many standing stones and sites across the country linked with the name of Robin Hood (Robin Hoods stride not far from us here in the Peak District). Some suggestion that this may have been tied up with the 'Old Gods' and the Green Man archetype representing nature and forests...
Yes, there’s something more to the Robin Hood myth - something more ancient I think. Haven’t been to Robin Hood’s Stride for years - what a great place. Cheers.
On the top ridge line near the windmill there is or was a soft patch of light mud I've found foot pints in it .The ridge is 245 million yrs old sets you thinking doesn't it happy to show you its only a ten minute walk cheers Ian ..
Cheers. Are there other carvings there in the rock - it’s ringing a bell now?
@WC21UKProductionsLtd yes there is a horse head that I know the position of and a sun god effigy in another area all over 245 million year old well worth a stroll
Cor, were there cup-and-ring marks at the bottom there?
Yep! Between the two sites, I’ve never seen so many. It’s given me a taste for prehistoric exploration in urban landscapes!
Very interesting thanks. So way back ..BC etc, it would have been celts there? Interesting recent history too, what with the influx of Irish Catholics in the 1800’s. pardon my silly questions but I live in New Zealand so am just a little interested about UK history. Thanks Dave 🇬🇧 🇳🇿
Thank you David and no problem about the questions - it’s really rewarding to get engagement.
Yes, the stones date back around 5,000 years and would have been constructed by late Neolithic people. They were the ones who settled and farmed and yes, they were Celtic. Although I believe we’re not meant to use that word now - for some reason!
I think the distinctive Liverpool accent comes from those Irish immigrants. It’s one of the few regional accents that is not disappearing.
Thank you for watching and commenting. Cheers.
Sorry to be a pedant but in 5000 bc they were not "celts". As far as I can remember, such a term really only relates to the iron age and comes from the le tene culture in, I think, Austria. It is more of a cultural assemblage than a race (again as far as I know!) This culture spread across North Western Europe.
In 5000 bc I guess they are grooved ware people who seem to be responsible for much of the "megalithic" structures in Britain. These people predated the more famous "beaker" people.
I'm sure someone will correct me where I'm wrong!
@@SamHarrison-oe3fn You’re correct. Celtic languages did not come into these isles until approximately 1500BC, and even then, genetic testing has shown there was more genetic diversity between the Celts of Cornwall and neighbouring Devon than there was between the Celts of Northern England and Scotland, for example. So they were not a race but a culture, and even then a very loose one. Now, however, England is England (Anglaland, land of the Angles) and we now have a Germanic culture with those Celtic ones pushed to the peripheries - Cornwall, Wales, and western and the highlands of Scotland (the lowlands where Scots is spoken is also Germanic in culture and marked the extent of Anglo-Saxon settlement. Edinburgh itself was an Anglo-Saxon burgh. It was the Bell Beaker culture that predated the “Celts”, but it was the Neolithic farmers from Anatolia who built our grand stone monuments. So it goes like this: Neolithic farmers arriving circa 4000BC, 90% genetic wipeout and replaced by Bell Beaker culture around 2400BC (who were the first to resemble modern Brits, aka white) and then the Celts from the continent who married locals, which acted as a vector for Celtic languages to spread, but did not genetically replace the Bell Beakers fully, just the culture; these then become the ancient Britons who were then subjugated by Rome (but not genetically) and then the Anglo-Saxon migration, of whom the Anglo-Saxons contribute about 40% of the modern Englishman’s DNA.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Our Scouse accent is a combination of Irish, Welsh, and, surprisingly, Norwegian. It is from the Norwegian dish that we take our name (Lobscouse). This is why Scouse doesn’t sound like Irish despite having a lot of linguistic similarities - it is mostly a blend of those three, but you are right in that the accent did not emerge until around the time of Irish emigration, and before then Liverpudlians had a Lancashire accent. Liverpool is known as both “the capital of North Wales”, and also “the most Irish city outside of Ireland” and also sometimes the “true capital of Ireland”.
Thank you - that is fascinating! I was glad to learn recently that the Scouse is doing well - unlike many other regional accents in the UK.
These stories are as ancient as the ones penciled
In by Ms Laura Ben-Dover
Thank you for watching and commenting.
Some people believe the grooves in the stones may have been caused by years of ploughing over it, when it was laid flat in the field, although I’m not sure about that myself.
I don't think I unearthed that in my researches - thanks. Not sure here, either.
Very interesting but just one small thing. HMHB are not from Liverpool, they're from Birkenhead. As the Tranmere Rovers' supporters say, "Don't be mistaken, don't be mislead. We're not Scousers. we're from Birkenhead".
Cheers and sorry - I knew that - a clumsy remark. I just wanted to give them a shout out - they're my favourite band of all time!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd You are a splendid fellow sir.
I was going to do a video on this 👍🏻
I’d recommend it - really enjoyed making this one and everyone I met was so friendly!
@WC21UKProductionsLtd I'm actually local to the area. I was doing my research on the history of waterways and the 'pool' which Liverpool is named after, when I came across these rune stones. My sons school is around the corner from them, so I picked him up one that and took my uninterested son to see them. Its crazy what those people done to that mound. It would be a World Heritage site these days. It's still a very interesting story and I'm glad I've seen them. They resemble ones I've also seen in Norway. Thanks for the video. I will make my son watch later. Liked and subbed.
@@sof5858 I know - think what a draw it would be if they were still in situ. But as things have gone the way they have, I quite like their new setting - probably better than baking in that greenhouse.
Thanks for subscribing and welcome.
I was told at School the Markings were made by ancient men sharpening their arrows on the Stones.
Hi, yes that is said about the Robin Hood stone - it is believed the field it stood in was used for archery practice. Cheers.
Bravo Sir.
Thank you very much and glad you enjoyed it!
Never get me wrong folks, I respect Mr WC21's crooning abilities to hold a note. I am certain he's capable of holding a note hostage until the coffee ransom is paid. Buy the gent a coffee 🤣.
Thanks Phil. I promise not sing for coffees!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd There you go...Mr WC21 promises not to sing as long as he has coffees ...fill his canteen 🤣
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd It worked haha.
Do you think you can go to Stratford upon Avon
Yes I can! Do you want to see anything in particular there?
@@WC21UKProductionsLtdClearly unfinable wants to see the terminus of the Stratford and Moreton Tramway ......
@@davidberlanny3308 I’m sure that’s what it is!
There are many neolithic stones across the UK
Yes indeed. We’re very lucky. Cheers.
Four lads who shook the Wirral I wondered who they were
@@Barfly365 there’s actually a Half Man Half Biscuit album called that!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtdwhy did you say shook the wirral when shaking about the beatles
@@ENGLISHMURPHY Hi, it’s the name of an album by Half Man Half Biscuit - I put it in there to see if anyone would notice the apparent mistake and you did!
4 smack heads shuck the wirral😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Golf courses and quarries always hide megalithic structures 😉
True! Although I’m currently on the trail of a Roman wall on a race course!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd have you watched any ALAN WILSON HISTORIAN ON TH-cam? He has discovered the real British History? King Arthur 1 +2 ,the lost tribes, the holy family, reading hieroglyphs with the Welsh language and much more
No I haven’t - I will check him out. Cheers!
Did they find human remains at one point or were they destroyed by treasure hunters?
I’m pretty sure they did. Lost now, of course.
I could have sworn the Calderstones were in Birmingham. But then again they don’t have that accent do they? I’m from Birmingham, but not the same one. Yet another accent to deal with. Incidentally the weather here in Nashville is identical to the video so it really gave me the immersive experience. Pun not intended. Honest.
Thanks Jim. Understandable mistake as you’ve simply confused the two places in England with the most distinctive accents! Easily done. That you’ve heard of the Calderstones is more than impressive.
I am strangely comforted to hear that we’re not alone with this weather!
I do like my old stones. I think Ronnie Wood is my favorite.
Very interesting history. Not sure John Lennon vandalised that stone though.
Thank you. Yes, I questioned the chances of that!
Half Man Half Biscuit and ancient history. Win, win. "I hate Nerys Hughes" 😜 I remember the Liverbirds also. "Where's me rabbits?"
I'd better subscribe hadn't I?
(PS my channel is no longer active but I'm the one in the top hat)
I knew someone would mention “I hate Nerys Hughes”! I planted it like an Easter Egg.
Glad you enjoyed it and thank you for subbing. Nice hat!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Looking forward to more exploration! You do it so I don't have to🤣😝 I now do a solo show every saturday on a new channel. The hat is forlorn and gathering dust though..
@@ThreeOldDudesshow cheers - I’ll check out your channels!
You forgot the best football team EVER!
Oh yes! Sorry. No idea how that happened!
HMHB weren’t fans of Nerys were they.
No! They hated her!
Hay/Hays derive from the indo European Basque "Haize" meaning stone.
Cheers Andy! One of those great examples where both words mean the same thing.
I remember seeing these stones when they were in the heated palm house. So very sad to see the old glasses house empty, it was shameful what the local Lefty Labour politicians did to what was a wonderful botanic garden back in the 80's. Amazing that you discovered the actor Peter Foo who was in the film "Inn of the Sixth Happiness" filmed in North Wales.
Thanks. It was astonishing with Peter - I’d been researching that film the week before because they shot some scenes on a Roman road. And then an actor from the film happened to live in the house where the Robin Hood’s Stone used to stand. A “strange but true” situation!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd What an amazing coincidence. My mum liked that film., but the true story of Gladys Aylward deserves a bigger budget remake filmed in China, because she was such a remarkable woman
What is it with Robin Hood? That bloke gets everywhere if you believe in that sort of rubbish. If he had visited every site attributed to him he would have had no time to ‘rob from the rich and give to the poor…. himself’. Either that or he was just a crap navigator as depicted in ‘Robin Hood Prince of Thieves’ when he traveled from Dover to Nottingham via Hadrians Wall for some reason. Still, there was no GPS in those days. Near where I live there are two standing stones that simply mark a trackway used to carry stone from a quarry to the river Nene to avoid a toll road. Of course they are called Robin Hood and Little John. Anyway, rant over and thanks for another great video🙏
Thank you, Graham.
I seem to encounter Robin Hood and King Arthur on a regular basis - regardless of where I am in the country! They both really got around. I need to look into whether other countries have these ubiquitous, fictional characters!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Australia has a Ned Kelly everywhere, the folk heros were always popular with working men, poor hero fighting the oppressing law
@@spudspuddy oh yes, I have heard of Ned Kelly. I will have a read up on him. Cheers.
dint even concider liverpoll had them my dad was from liverp00l1915 and his family went back many decades befoe that and even hundreds on his dad side of family
Cheers. 5,000 years of human activity on the edge of the river! Thank you for watching.
I did my Degree just a stones throw from there (sorry, had to say it).
Very good, Iain! I enjoyed making this and must do another one in a city again - it makes a nice change.
Who would have guessed? Liverpool a Mecca for Neolithic standing stones. Nope! B grade for effort to generate a story from a bunch of highly mobile stones with markings. Has there been any archeological study of the stones?
Cheers Andrew - yes, I was surprised by this, but I guess it makes sense - close to the coast and we know there was travel across the Irish Sea in the Neolithic.
The stones were studied in detail in the later Victorian period and that helped to save them, I think. They were appalled that the burial mound had been destroyed.
More work in the 50s and that’s when they realised the stones were Neolithic, as opposed to Bronze Age. That resulted in them being moved to the greenhouse.
They’ve had a challenging couple of hundred years, but at least they seem to be cared for now.
There has been plenty of study on the stones but perhaps, more importantly, there has been more study of done piecing together the prehistorical movements of humans in the area since the last ice-age finished and people started moving back from the European continent of which, the 'Britain' peninsula was joined to until 8000 years ago. It was the Neolithic immigrants who brought their ideas of farming and erecting stone monuments to the newly created island of 'Britain' and its existing population of hunter-gatherers. It is this point in history which underpins the appearance of the stone monuments throughout the British isles, including the area known as 'Merseyside' today, which had sandstone as its geology and could be worked with flint and chert imported from the North Wales area. It is also this point in history where we see the ideas of permanent settlements being made, due to the new ideas of clearing spaces to keep animals and grow grain. There is plenty of archaeological evidence of the Mesolithic, Neolithic and Bronze Age occupation of the region - and it's still giving up its secrets.
Never seen this guy before but is he serious when he says “ley lines don’t exist” or is he having a go at sarcasm? 😅
A bit of sarcasm, but I do have my doubts!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd if they don’t exist why were they seemed important enough for our ancestors to build so many important structures on them?
@@Nah44447 check out “Mysteries of the Long Man” that I posted on Sunday for a defence of ley lines by Tweedy Outdoors. I’m tempted to do a video on the subject - it seems to be quite a frothy debate.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd when you realise “they” built a lot of the churches and even football stadiums on these lines you know there is far more significance to them than “they” tell us.
@@Nah44447 oh don’t get me started on the “they”! Scheming bunch that lot!
Some of the so called graffiti looks like Coelbren
Is that the caves? I’ve not been to them - perhaps I should check them out. Cheers
Thanks! What?! Ley lines do not exist?! Well, that changes everything 😂
Thank you kindly!
In hindsight I’m reconsidering. Perhaps the ley lines led me to Peter. Bizarrely, I have been researching the filming locations for the Inn of the Sixth Happiness - they used a Roman road - and then I happened to meet someone who was in the film….did the ley lines lead me there?!
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd Stranger things between heaven and earth😂
Djoser stones, they are from Egypt. Same colour and they've clearly been burnt.
Cheers Laura - that's an interesting idea, but I wouldn't put it past our ancient ancestors - we underestimate them too often.
Ley lines don’t exist 😂😂😂
Oh dear. I take what you meant to say was you don’t understand them and aren’t qualified to talk about them. Ley lines were not ‘discovered’ it was merely a name attributed to something that has been recognised around the globe for millennia.
Instead of dismissing things you don’t comprehend why don’t you just ask questions instead? I’m sure they’ll be plenty of people happy to educate you.
@@Porkcylinder Hi, it was a joke for another TH-camr and entirely frivolous. Apologies if it caused any upset. By an extraordinary coincidence, you can see us discussing the subject on tomorrow’s video, which I hope you enjoy. Thank you.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtd sorry it’s just that o see these self appointed geniuses like Brian cox and Steven fry constantly mocking and pouring scorn on subjects they clearly know painfully little about and denouncing believers as ‘tin foil hat idiots’ etc. yet if you question their beliefs unhinged beliefs on say the climate cult youre a ‘denier’ they make me want to vomit tbh. Just seemed like a continuation of the narrative. Fair enough if not. Interesting videos otherwise. I often switch off tv programs the second they start spouting nonsense about
Pyramids, stone circles etc. these things are beyond their comprehension.
@@WC21UKProductionsLtdI would suggest you look at the subject with a more open mind , ancient civilisations understood earth sciences a lot more than our current one does , stonehenge directly lines up with the ring of brodgar in Orkney , the geographic precision cannot be overlooked or underestimated
Nah, mate! You totally lost my respect when you said there’s no such thing as ley lines 🤦♂️ 🤡
Seem to upset a few with that! I had no idea they still had such a following!