@@blankpage555 The Group C prototypes that you see in this video look more like hypercars than the hypercar class that we have now. If Hypercars don't have GT particularities at least when it comes to aerodynamics than they're not hypercars. The Group C cars have GT particularities and some of them even have road legal versions. The LMH are plain prototypes. And that's because they favor speed over aesthetics and the skill that it takes to drive an actual hypercar at this speed.
Crazy large field, can't believe they got so many owners of these priceless machines to risk their museum pieces in a proper race. These drivers are extremely brave to go so fast with such old equipment, these cars were made as light as possible and for a single season, racing them 30 years later takes a lot of confidence in your mechanics. So many things can go wrong at 300 kph. Lastly: The Peugeot 905 is my favourite, gorgeous clean lines and that gigantic rear wing hanging off the back is so cool. I wish I was around when it was launched, it must've looked even more insane and futuristic back then.
Group c : " we race again not for champion, but for nostalgic when we race together. it's not our time again to push the car too hard, we not a brand new built, we are old"
These are the cars I remember wanting drive when I was a kid...in old what can I say...but I still want own and drive a 962 to the grocery store...so I'm not that old yet...Gratzi...
14:20 What's whith all these punctures all of a sudden? That #36 Toyota even had two opposite tires explode at the same time. They seem to happen all over the track.
@@svenslegobuilds6432 but when it raced in 1990 and 91 it had to comply with Group C... I'm asking about all these cars racing today, not just the Mazda. To get a believable result they should, but I'm not sure.
Estos coches les dan 100.000 vueltas a los de ahora,en todo,en diseño,sonido, espectáculo, todo!!!En mi opinión todo el mundo del motor está involucionando 😔
The irony of spinning out on a chicane that was supposed to "improve" safety. Would have been nice to see the track set up with the same vintage as these cars, but I can understand why it can no longer be
@@nanderlizernanderlizer684 Or instead of not spinning at all because he didn't have to turn in, sparing his tires/suspension the extra stress and driving with less fatigue. But nevermind that, let's just turn all our straights into chicaneville. You're right.
It's just used to reduce speed, not to improve safety. I mean, you can still die there if you don't brake after speeds higher than 300 km/h, of course.
the most frustrating thing when you watch racing, is when you can't hear the sounds of the cars? Why don't they understand that racing is nothing without the sounds of these amazing cars?
Are you watching this on a surround sound system? On my Logitech surround sound, I need to set it to a certain output in order to hear the video sound.
All cars from Group C (Jaguar XJR-14 didn't race the 24H) and IMSA GTP (Spice SE92, the blue and white with a double rear wing and bubble cockpit) are allowed.
WM P-88 : 407 Km/h en course , par René Dorchy ( vitesse ramenée à 405 Km/h pour des raisons commerciales ) , puissance poussée à 910 cv . 416 Km/h pendant des tests , pilotée par Jean-Daniel Raulet .
Oui , la 962 C atteignait 400km/h . C'est aussi le cas pour la Mercedes C9 ( 401Km/h mesurés ) .La Porsche 917 LH n°21 de 1970 a été chronométrée à 391km/h ( officiel ) , mais l'un des pilotes (dont j'ai oublié le nom) affirme qu'il avait atteint en course les 250 mph ( 402Km/h ) , ce qui est très plausible ( je suppose que les vitesses dans les Hunaudières n'étaient pas mesurées systématiquement pour chaque voiture à chaque tour ) . Voici une vidéo d'avant les chicanes , à l'endroit où la vitesse est maximum : th-cam.com/video/PR7KRHv02IE/w-d-xo.html
D'accord merci tu la beaucoup éclairé et oui ce n'est pas les mêmes technologies qu'avant aujourd'hui on peut avoir toutes les vitesses des voitures en même temps mais avant c'était un peux plus compliqué.. J'irais voir ta vidéo et dit moi comment était mesuré les V-Max avec une caméra nan ?
VITA kyo tu m'étonne avec les chicanes et le temps de développer des voitures hybrides ou électriques qui peuvent atteindre les 400km/h c'est dans longtemps lol
No Mazda at all? I get it if they don't want to risk the iconic #55 car, but where are the other factory team cars? (3 787B's raced at Le Mans in 91') or even a 767?
Forget it. If they were going to do anything, I’d rather they reinstated the old Dunlop curve. That front straight with the run down to the esses was much more interesting than a 5.8 kilometre straight. The Mulsanne chicanes make the racing a lot more interesting.
@@thethirdman225 I think you missed the “in period” of my comment. The Dunlop curve doesn’t exist unless it was repaved...the old straight is still there but with tire barrier ones.
@@OggaDugga You said you wanted it “in period”. If you are going to insist on authenticity, then it takes more than a 5.8 km straight. Yeah, I get it: it’s easier to do. But the Dunlop curve and the run down to the esses was just as much a part of 1980s Le Mans. I have little interest in the straight and prefer it with chicanes because it makes the racing better. They still get to 330-340 km/h even now. But yes, if you want it authentic then you have to do both.
@@Martin-jc8kk the 905 was powered by a 3.5 liter V10, same later used in F1. Not a diesel. You might be thinking about the 908 hDI which was diesel but was also an LMP1. All Group C cars were gasoline powered, the weirdest thing was the rotary Mazda, but no diesels.
geile film... hab die gleichen Autos, alle bei mir zuhaus, sogar Mazda 787 B, Hammer slotcars sagen... mit en bisschen Vodka and fuck the corona time... who need it, they take it... reeelaxe George...
@Kieren Standen It was built by Sauber (race car constructor and privateer racing team) and designed and engineered by Mercedes-Benz (automotive manufacturer). Its engine (the M119 V8) is also found in high end versions of the Mercedes cars from the late 80s and 90s (E-Class W124, S-Class W140 and SL R129) (but with various displacements, ranging from 4.2 to 6.0L, depending on a version). The C9 was built and raced in WSPC (World Sports Prototype Championship), WSC (World Sportscar Championship) and 24 Hours of Le Mans from 1987 to '89, by three racing teams - Kouros Racing ('87), AEG Olympia ('88) and Sauber Mercedes ('89). The C11 (its successor) was built in 1990 and raced by Sauber Mercedes until the following year in the WSC and 24 Hours of Le Mans. Both cars have the same but improved, already mentioned engine. The C11 was at the 2018 Le Mans Classic, but it broke down during qualifying session.
This is even better than the current Le Mans itself. :) Group C are the best!
It really is though
yeah . It looks and sounds more like racing . And i think if i was there , it smelled more like racing
Absolutely bang on the money. The best ever .
This was Le Man's at its greatest.
class c is better than todays
If only F1 had a special series like this with their V10 Enggine era.....
BOSS GP...
Really, check it out
maybe multi brands new hypercars will take us out of f1 for good
@@blankpage555 The Group C prototypes that you see in this video look more like hypercars than the hypercar class that we have now.
If Hypercars don't have GT particularities at least when it comes to aerodynamics than they're not hypercars. The Group C cars have GT particularities and some of them even have road legal versions.
The LMH are plain prototypes. And that's because they favor speed over aesthetics and the skill that it takes to drive an actual hypercar at this speed.
How can these cars look so timelessly beautiful. What an era.
It's wonderful that many race enthusiasts have kept these amazing cars in race ready condition. It's great to see them on this iconic circuit!
Every car was unique and beautiful. Group C was the peak of sportscar racing
Crazy large field, can't believe they got so many owners of these priceless machines to risk their museum pieces in a proper race. These drivers are extremely brave to go so fast with such old equipment, these cars were made as light as possible and for a single season, racing them 30 years later takes a lot of confidence in your mechanics. So many things can go wrong at 300 kph.
Lastly: The Peugeot 905 is my favourite, gorgeous clean lines and that gigantic rear wing hanging off the back is so cool. I wish I was around when it was launched, it must've looked even more insane and futuristic back then.
The best Race of Le Mans Classic
THIS should not be called Classic or Historic , BRING GROUP C BACK!!!!
I just love these cars
So much better than today, i mean listen to them 🤘🏻💪🏻😎👌🏻🍻
Best looking cars ever made tbh
I mean I like LMGTP cafs but these are are jaw dropping
You love to see Le Mans during summer
Brilliant, so great to see these unique legends back on track!
They should stay on the track too
貴重なマシンがデモランしてるのを見るだけだって大変有難い事なのに、全開走行でしかも本気でレースしてくれるなんて贅沢すぎる！
文化の深さの違いを強く感じるなぁ、、、
Another Porsche victory at LeMans
This is for race fans! Thanks to the people who put this race together! Amazing and nostalgic!!
nejlepší závody a parádní zvuk super
Group c : " we race again not for champion, but for nostalgic when we race together. it's not our time again to push the car too hard, we not a brand new built, we are old"
I absolutely love these race cars.
GOOD TO SEE THAT GEBHARDT running so good... :)
Wow...superb..memories .... good old days..
I want to go see this race! It's a wonderful culture.
These are the cars I remember wanting drive when I was a kid...in old what can I say...but I still want own and drive a 962 to the grocery store...so I'm not that old yet...Gratzi...
These cars still look so good D;
I was there watching with the tvr group what an amazing place le man is
Glorious cars and exhaust notes 👌
Qué bellas máquinas ésos grupo C, potencia pura tremendo recuerdo 👏👏👏👏👍😃
I didn't see any Sauber Mercedes at this classic group c race.
No idea what happened, but I saw the car on the track only during the qualify.
Broke down on the second qualifying ,team didnt risk it shame but understandable@@sdouglas9690
No 787b as well. The nissans etc. So diverse.
@@ipo7596 the 787B would've ben VERY far off the pace anyway
@@seawolf9616 they would blew up before crossing the chequered flag. Those rotary engines can't last that long
wonder if those mulsane' chicanes are eliminated for only group C races
where can i watch withoutt the french voices just want to hear cars
Go to Le Mans for that...
Merci beaucoup!!!
20km/h of top speed difference between for Mazda against Jaguar: that's just huge!
The yellow car is a Nissan.
The biggest difference is in the overall lap time.
Amazing cars...beautuful. I'd be scared as hell to drive these timeless machines but kudos to everyone who did! It was a yellow flag fest!
They may look a little old but they are still 2000 pounds with 1000hp jets...
They were never that powerful.
@@thethirdman225 In qualifying trim, they are. And in some cases a bit *over* 1000 hp.
Le Mans Classic Group C races are the best...
But I did hope they brought back the Main Straight
Would be too dangerous
@NtsParadise Maybe in the 80s, but not today.
@@MDDeGrande1994 The cars wouldn't go faster cause of the hybrid system and KERS, so what's the point?
Cars would reach almost 400km/h yes would be too dangerous.
@@natef4240 but they try to not risk to lose these old rare machines.
Acredito que os competidores, são carro de épocas diferentes? Isso torna a competição mais interessante ! Pois é possível comparar o desempenho
フロムA日産懐かしい！日石トラストポルシェとケンウッドのタイサンポルシェ、レイトンハウスポルシェ、10番のスパイスはDENONって入ってるしトヨタの85Cもレイトンハウスか 賃貸ニュースは記憶にないなｗ
Damn... when I saw a red car with Momo logos I thought it was a 333SP... and what the hell is a Gebhardt anyway?
2:21 Almost shit myself
Who else thinks this is better than modern LMP1?
Hell yes, I agree 100%!
No Martini Lancia's?.
やっぱりル・マンはＣカーだよ。
Ｃカーが１番かっこいい。
Pure beauty
I was waiting for this race....but , Could you upload it in English please?
We do not have the English version for this race.
It doesn't matter, I can enjoy it this way, by the way, thanks again, you are very kind
Beautiful fantastic cars.
すごい！あの時代にタイムスリップしたかのようだ！😳😳😳
14:20 What's whith all these punctures all of a sudden? That #36 Toyota even had two opposite tires explode at the same time. They seem to happen all over the track.
There be a English version?
Unfortunatly not for this race.
PETER AUTO damm....
@@robthecatwillshire7429 Its on Motorsport.com
im not crying
you are
How did you know
Cannot dislike
Merci beaucoup pour cette vidéo.
Do they have to comply with the old Group C fuel consumption limits, or are they free?
Ernesto Gasulla no regulations the mazda rotary was very inefficient in terms of fuel so you know
@@svenslegobuilds6432 but when it raced in 1990 and 91 it had to comply with Group C... I'm asking about all these cars racing today, not just the Mazda. To get a believable result they should, but I'm not sure.
Ernesto Gasulla ohh i do not know the specific specifications srry look it 👀
787b...miss you
Superbe
Estos coches les dan 100.000 vueltas a los de ahora,en todo,en diseño,sonido, espectáculo, todo!!!En mi opinión todo el mundo del motor está involucionando 😔
Entre esto y el Grupo B me hacen pensar que los 80 fueron quizas la epoca dorada de todo el automovilismo si no llego a estar equivocado.
@@Robertino9064 el grupo c en sus dias era casi tan popular como la F1, creo que el punto mas alto de la WEC en toda la historia fue la del Grupo C
amazing!
No Sauber C9 ?
The irony of spinning out on a chicane that was supposed to "improve" safety. Would have been nice to see the track set up with the same vintage as these cars, but I can understand why it can no longer be
Chicanes have always had that effect - making the race "safer" by adding difficult corners for crashing
he spun at 60 ish mphinstead of flying into the trees at 240 mph
@@nanderlizernanderlizer684 Or instead of not spinning at all because he didn't have to turn in, sparing his tires/suspension the extra stress and driving with less fatigue.
But nevermind that, let's just turn all our straights into chicaneville. You're right.
It's just used to reduce speed, not to improve safety. I mean, you can still die there if you don't brake after speeds higher than 300 km/h, of course.
jaguar xjr-12 silk cut castrol dunlop very very well olli mono mononen
Turn off the commentary, let us hear those monsters!!!
This is a real race or just for run?
this is a race
@@peterautoracing oh ok
Frederic went to see the 24 lamns
Мой любимый вид спорта
the most frustrating thing when you watch racing, is when you can't hear the sounds of the cars? Why don't they understand that racing is nothing without the sounds of these amazing cars?
Are you watching this on a surround sound system? On my Logitech surround sound, I need to set it to a certain output in order to hear the video sound.
formula_e_has_left_the_chat
Does anyone know, are all cars from the class allowed or only those that ever raced at the 24 ?
All cars from Group C (Jaguar XJR-14 didn't race the 24H) and IMSA GTP (Spice SE92, the blue and white with a double rear wing and bubble cockpit) are allowed.
Gustavo Florio Bernardi thanks a lot mate, that's exactly answer I was looking for (and hoping for).
🥃🤘🏻🎩🤘🏻🏁🇮🇲
Just like 1990: no matter how quick the Nissans look, they won't finish. Be it 24 hrs or 1.
porsche 962c 1988 le mans classic historiaa monon auto
porsche 962 1988 classic series le mans in trediboll car number one shell dunlop
porsche 962c ostin hevosen rata-auton well olen elementissäni
GRAN TURISMO
jaguar cut silk le mans number one cars in trediboll olli mono mononen
Que elegante hablan el frances
That 1st spinner had to have peed his race suit.
My beloved Mazda 787b, where art thou!!
𝙂𝙊𝙉𝙀, 𝘽𝘼𝙉 𝙁𝙍𝙊𝙈 𝙀𝙓𝙄𝙎𝙏𝙀𝙉𝘾𝙀
WM P-88 : 407 Km/h en course , par René Dorchy ( vitesse ramenée à 405 Km/h pour des raisons commerciales ) , puissance poussée à 910 cv . 416 Km/h pendant des tests , pilotée par Jean-Daniel Raulet .
VITA kyo j'avais vu quelque part que la porsche Dauer LM avait atteint +400km/h ? Vrai ? (Hors sujet)
Oui , la 962 C atteignait 400km/h . C'est aussi le cas pour la Mercedes C9 ( 401Km/h mesurés ) .La Porsche 917 LH n°21 de 1970 a été chronométrée à 391km/h ( officiel ) , mais l'un des pilotes (dont j'ai oublié le nom) affirme qu'il avait atteint en course les 250 mph ( 402Km/h ) , ce qui est très plausible ( je suppose que les vitesses dans les Hunaudières n'étaient pas mesurées systématiquement pour chaque voiture à chaque tour ) . Voici une vidéo d'avant les chicanes , à l'endroit où la vitesse est maximum : th-cam.com/video/PR7KRHv02IE/w-d-xo.html
D'accord merci tu la beaucoup éclairé et oui ce n'est pas les mêmes technologies qu'avant aujourd'hui on peut avoir toutes les vitesses des voitures en même temps mais avant c'était un peux plus compliqué.. J'irais voir ta vidéo et dit moi comment était mesuré les V-Max avec une caméra nan ?
Ils mesuraient au radar ... & oui regarde la vidéo , on n'en verra plus jamais des comme ça ...
VITA kyo tu m'étonne avec les chicanes et le temps de développer des voitures hybrides ou électriques qui peuvent atteindre les 400km/h c'est dans longtemps lol
No Mazda at all? I get it if they don't want to risk the iconic #55 car, but where are the other factory team cars? (3 787B's raced at Le Mans in 91') or even a 767?
Son los originales o replicas fieles?
originales
porsche 962c 1988 le mans classic shell dunlop olli monosen auto
shell täältä pesee tivottaa mono
やっぱり日産のCカーて短距離勝負なら強いなw
porsche 962 c 1988 mono special cars ostin tämän auton eilen well that trite
porsche ja jack daniels sekä buffalo bill number one
Самые красивые машинки в мире
да , это груп си , чувак
Да я в цєме братан
@@panzerdivision909 ну , так я не повыебываться ради , а типа согласиться
+
962cとジャガー多すぎ
TOYOTA ts020も走らせて欲しかった
ts0202は98年のGT1クラスの車両なので出場出来ません。
Not one 787b 😢
Slower than everything there.
787b :/
Got Porsche
Не ещё мото мото мотоооо.!
I wish they’d let these cars race as in period by removing the chicanes. This isn’t an FIA sanctioned race anyway.
Forget it. If they were going to do anything, I’d rather they reinstated the old Dunlop curve. That front straight with the run down to the esses was much more interesting than a 5.8 kilometre straight. The Mulsanne chicanes make the racing a lot more interesting.
@@thethirdman225 I think you missed the “in period” of my comment. The Dunlop curve doesn’t exist unless it was repaved...the old straight is still there but with tire barrier ones.
@@OggaDugga Yeah, I can’t see any problem with re-laying a few hundred metres of tarmac.
@@thethirdman225 it’s easier to just remove some tire barriers vs repaving tarmac lol
@@OggaDugga You said you wanted it “in period”. If you are going to insist on authenticity, then it takes more than a 5.8 km straight. Yeah, I get it: it’s easier to do. But the Dunlop curve and the run down to the esses was just as much a part of 1980s Le Mans. I have little interest in the straight and prefer it with chicanes because it makes the racing better. They still get to 330-340 km/h even now. But yes, if you want it authentic then you have to do both.
Is it fair to admit than it is far better in any way than watching porn ?
I'm just here to see the diesel that won at la sarthe
You won't... it was an LMP1 Audi, these are Group C, which was canceled after 1992. No diesels here.
@@ernestogasulla7763 I'm talking about the 905😑
@@Martin-jc8kk the 905 was powered by a 3.5 liter V10, same later used in F1. Not a diesel. You might be thinking about the 908 hDI which was diesel but was also an LMP1. All Group C cars were gasoline powered, the weirdest thing was the rotary Mazda, but no diesels.
@@ernestogasulla7763 ah, my bad I feel ashamed now as a Peugeot fan....
Anyone see the Mercedes Sauber C9?
The car broke down
@JuergenGDB The C9 wasn't at the 2018 LM Classic at all. However, its successor, the C11 was, but it broke down during the qualifying session.
Ehhh ehhh banquet ehhhh chardonnay ehhhh
geile film...
hab die gleichen Autos, alle bei mir zuhaus,
sogar Mazda 787 B, Hammer slotcars sagen...
mit en bisschen Vodka and fuck the corona time...
who need it, they take it...
reeelaxe George...
👍👍👍🏁🏁🏁🏁
Du grand grand n'importe quoi cette course, et les commentateurs taisez-vous bon sang!!!
C'est leur job....
Hey People. Want to know how Porsche wins most of his races?.
Panzer
They have superpowers
The 787b must make a return. It isn’t Group C without that car!
It isn't group C without the 956/962 would be more accurate but thankfully plenty of those are about.
The 787B is utterly overrated. The Porsche 956/962 - which gets scant attention from anyone - was by far the most important car of the era.
hon hon hon
where is the 787b?
no Mercedes C11?
#31 Mercedes C11 (1989)
Mercedes C11 was from 1990 not 1989, Mercedes still used the C9 in 1989
AdamTheMan1993 isn’t it a sauber c9 but merc powered
@Kieren Standen It was built by Sauber (race car constructor and privateer racing team) and designed and engineered by Mercedes-Benz (automotive manufacturer). Its engine (the M119 V8) is also found in high end versions of the Mercedes cars from the late 80s and 90s (E-Class W124, S-Class W140 and SL R129) (but with various displacements, ranging from 4.2 to 6.0L, depending on a version). The C9 was built and raced in WSPC (World Sports Prototype Championship), WSC (World Sportscar Championship) and 24 Hours of Le Mans from 1987 to '89, by three racing teams - Kouros Racing ('87), AEG Olympia ('88) and Sauber Mercedes ('89). The C11 (its successor) was built in 1990 and raced by Sauber Mercedes until the following year in the WSC and 24 Hours of Le Mans. Both cars have the same but improved, already mentioned engine. The C11 was at the 2018 Le Mans Classic, but it broke down during qualifying session.