These New BMWs Are Far More Important Than You Realise
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 พ.ค. 2024
- Jack gives an overview of BMW's two Neue Klasse and explains why these concept cars are so much more significant than your average fanciful design study. Is this the moment BMW goes all in on electric?
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They used cameras for the side mirrors, because it looks cooler from the outside but then didn't add monitors for them in the inside because that always looks terrible.
Presumably they would be in the massive full width screen
Cameras instead of mirrors is for aerodynamics and to eliminate blind spots. Not because it looks cool.
Camera mirrors have pros and cons but overall I think I prefer them as a driver.
Honda e has that i think
@@Y2Kvids Yes they work great on my Honda e, less so the rear view mirror camera, I only flip it to screen if the interior is full of boxes/stuff and I can't see out in the normal setting. We have a normal car too and I just don't think about them being different to use. Best car I have owned in 35 years.
I really hope they look like this! Current BMW design has completely lost its way, sadly
I'm not sure how they managed to find enough 1970s lemon-yellow corduroy pants in the thrift store to make that interior. Whoever did their shopping that day deserves a bonus. But whatever the final car ends up looking like, if they continue with no physical controls it won't make my short list. Yay buttons and stalks. Boo touch screens. And voice control just... no. If I need to talk to my car it better make snappy comebacks and help me fight crime.
Often life imitates art. Take Startrek for example. Lt. Uhura had what looked like a dimmer switch from 1960s automobiles sticking out of her ear. Her "Incoming message, Captain."
notification, and short press to speak was prescient. Most of us wouldn't know what to do with ourselves without our Bluetooth devices. So, saying, "Set the temperature to 72°." *will* become the norm.
That's but one small example.
My little, value-conscious Chevrolet Bolt EUV has Adaptive Cruise Control, Single-pedal driving and Super Cruise (completely hands-free driving on >220,000 miles of highways in North America). I can also speak to lock/unlock, start/stop, set climate, set infotainment, get tire pressure, vehicle health, etc. One you've used any of these features, you'll never want to go back!
@@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt Nah. My last 3 cars have had it, not to mention Siri, Google, Alexa, etc.. I'm used to it but I still feel like an idiot talking to my car. Also, in one fifth of the time it takes to say "Set the temp to 72" your hand can reach over and accomplish the same. It's not like you ever need to adjust the temp by 20 degrees at a time, it's always small bits. So reach, click click, done, even if you're in the middle of a conversation. (I mean with a human).
@@ARepublicIfYouCanKeepIt Sorry. I just do not want to _talk_ to any of my devices (cars, computers, phones). It interrupts either your podcast or disturbs whoever else is in the car, and it's a matter of privacy. A silent interface I can use whilst still watching the road is what's needed. Thats's buttons and switches for commonly-used things, menus driven by steering-whell controls, for less-often-used things. I don't turn on the stupid 'turn left' voice on navigation software/devices either. Same reason - it's an annoying interruption that I just don't need or want.
@@xxwookey To each their own.
No buttons no buy.😱
Why they discontinued the i3, one of the most appreciated and sold EVS was a mystery, not even an updated version.
Love mine. It’s a keeper.
I expect a carbon fiber chassis in a mass market car was an incredible money loser ... and the range was short enough to make marketing the vehicle problematic, certainly in the US.
I agree. I love my wife's i3!
I have an i3 for the very busy and narrow streets of Bucharest and i love it. Best car for the job. First i thought it’s the ugliest car ever, then i sat in one in the showroom and understood the design and now i like it. Also, very smooth acceleration from stop.
For me it's the first time in a long time that I find a new BMW exciting and I used to be a BMW fan. I like this retro futuristic, minimalistic design. I'm sure the actual cars will look less flashy and more boring. But I hope they retain the general design language on the outside. The inside looks to me like pure phantasy and I hope that's what it's meant to be. Physical buttons have a use. Please don't make Tesla's mistake and put style and cost savings above usability and safety … And by the way: I love the mix of jokes and facts in these videos :D They are entertaining and informative at the same time.
There's talk that EuroNCAP is going to address the issue of buttons (or their absence) in upcoming changes to the ratings process
Totally agree. Like Jack points out, you only need to look at the likes of the early 2000s M3 and M5 for what BMW used to do so well. I hope this is a bit of a reset for them and they return to tidy and purposeful design.
Congratulations to BMW for designing a car for men who let their woman decide which car to buy. Just like Tesla.
@@thomasrath4305 Stick to cars from the 70s mate, they'll match your attitude.
As a current i3s owner, this is the first new design from the marque that I would be excited to trade for. I find the saloon to be quite attractive.
Well, at least it doesn't have the pig-ran-into-a-wall front grille they have now....
😂😂😂 can't get that picture out of my head now....
Wow, that grill is so so so much better.
I really like the concept of the full width front screen heads up display.
The rest of the interior really looks cheesy
BMW Neue-Klasse.. "the day BMW stopped half-arsing EVs, and went full-arse"... That is a quote for the ages!
Ditto needing to apologise to neighbours for the iX and i7 WTF design buffonery... or buttonless/switchless cabins.
Ahh.. But do they have the optional indicators?
They’re all mind controlled.
Darn expensive to refill the blinker oil nowadays.
We didn't see any in action in the videos so maybe they shown us the car without this feature
Indicating will all be automated by AI, however with voice recognition BMW drivers will simply be able to say "Don't Indicate Left/Right" to override the AI.
…hopefully with buttons….
wow they aren't super ugly on the front anymore and actually look nice. I still think it needs a minimum amount of buttons and dials for often used things like climate controls and turn signals, the rest can be incorporated into the screen
...But it's a concept, so I doubt it'll look anything like that when it hits production, just like they always do! Critiquing is pointless until it's an actual thing and not a bunch of pixels we're looking at.
The interesting thing is not the looks tho, it’s the platform
It is possible that the final product could be a lot like this. Porsche achieved that with the Taycan. If you compare the production Taycan with the Mission E prototype, you'll see that it's extremely similar. Probably the closest "concept -> production" I've seen short of Tesla, who's concepts are pretty much identical to their production models.
The production BMW i8 kept many of the design elements from the EfficientDynamics Vision concept, still the greatest concept car of this millennium.
Classic mirrors work 100% of the time, every time .
Well, McMurtry did manage to mount the Speirling prototype's mirrors so they were blocked my the a-pillars, but then again nobody's going to overtake one of those.
@@TheRealAndyR But the McMurtry mirrors worked right ? That thing is damn fast so as you say , you don’t need to see what’s behind cos it ain’t coming past 😃.
Having used camera mirrors after years of regular mirrors they do have some positives, mainly night visibility is definitely better, poor weather visibility is better, and ours have wide angles on the bottom which is great (bus). They also have some drawbacks (weird to get used to, depth perception, potential reliability issues, people can't see you through them etc)
cameras have a slight delay which is weird, i dont like them. I pretty much prefer classic mirrors
@@unmanned_mission and classic buttons, and classic knobs, and classic steering wheels, and traditional stalks etc etc etc no doubt, yawn.
We need a touring version, please ❤
And a convertible.
Cool. Not sure about the ‘beach towel’ interiors though, and please keep physical buttons and stalks for the basic controls.
From the outside, I’m getting a retro vibe with the styling - back to the days before SUVs existed. This can only be a good thing!
Nice one Jack, the saloon rear/side profile reminds me of the CSi from the 70s. As for those all important ‘principles’, this is what turned me from the past to the future, a mindset change they adopted with the i3. I’ve had 20 BMWs over 45 years, but now I drive an i3S and will never buy ICE again.
I'd love to see a temperature controlled storage compartment in these and all EVs.
The are the Vision Neue Klasse concepts, I'm amazed no one has mentioned the original Neue Klasse models that set the template for all of the classic models of the 60s through the 80s into the 90s.
From Wikipedia: The BMW New Class (German: Neue Klasse) was a line of sedans and coupes produced by German automaker BMW between 1962 and 1972. These models ensured BMW's solvency after the company's financial crisis of the 1950s and established the identity of BMW automobiles as sports sedans.
No physical buttons? No sale.
Hopefully the sedan Neuerklasse will come in handy to replace my enjoyable i3S in a couple of years...
Finally new dedicated EVs and EV platform(s) from BMW. Love my quirky 2019 i3 (42.2kWh 120 Ah battery, no range extender). Had it for 6 months.
The i3, if you know, you know 😉
@@Pignapper123, totally 😉😁
It's a shame they're not going to look THIS good when they come out, these are beautiful.
They will
@@bullshitbingo2259 one can dream, I don’t hold out much hope though, every concept is ruined
The sedan looks like the concept Honda that they showed before they released the E. (Honda Sports EV Concept)
Jack, that was a particularly fluent, informative episode - worth getting excited about! The video around you also looked great. 👏👏
3:39 very well said, good sir...couldn't agree more.
I love my i4s HUD - don’t need binnacle or central screen for much, the HUD is my main info display. Expanding this is a really good idea and mitigates much of the switch to large central touchscreens. Would still like some physical buttons for vital stuff though and please please keep the indicator stalks.
The biggest glaring problem I see in the concept is the complete lack of physical switches and nobs. Unless somehow its going to have voice activated accessories
I think it looks brilliant. The new design language is a huge improvement.
Finally a good looking, back to the roots design language.
This will x fold their sales, for sure.
And thank you for the right pronounciation of Neue Klasse. If you pronounce Porsche with an e at the end you will be my hero!
What's the black line that runs along the side windows?
Screen protector for the wide front panel "grille"? Looks better than the previous "bum" or "teeth".
Currently driving a 2013 xDrive 3 Touring I bought new, and not finding an EV I wanted to replace it with, I added an i3 as a daily driver. Hoping to hold out until the Neue klasse 3-series replacement comes out to replace the Touring - it does look (and sound to be) great
Thank you, Jack and the FC team.
Nice Ep Jack. Having not owned a BMW on my driving life, I am enthusiastically waiting for your test drive of this fine looking EV, Cheers Andy
like that you mastered the pronounciation of "neue Klasse " 😊
great new design (go over those '90s Alfa rearlights though)
.. but just concepts 🖖🏻
Very interesting! Can't wait to drive one, and I do hope it has a decent amount of buttons. I love my iX - my rocket ship and Concert Hall combined! Even the front design is fine with me. But I may have to trade it in one of these new ones!
If the design language expressed in the concept drawings is anywhere near what the production cars turn out to be like, then that will be a MAJOR improvement of what BMW have been churning out over recent years, especially on the front end. Those front grills of recent years always reminded me of the film, The Fly - dead ugly!
4:25 - the front reminds me of the 1950's 507 and is lovely. The rest of it looks like a Masarati Biturbo meets a Ampera. The inside looks lovely - but we all know it will end up drab black with some fake wood.
Of note, if those ever make it to the USA they'll definitely have at least one physical button: The Hazzard Flasher Switch.
I’ve never liked BMW’s in particular (or maybe it’s their typical driver road manners I’ve taken issue with), but if BMW follows through on building cars like these, I might have a change of heart.
I would like to see analog dials, buttons, simple performance, great audio system, no screens and no sw distractions.
Very lean design that takes a lot of studying. Will obviously need some resemblance of interior physical buttons at some point in the development.
Those Neue Klasse saloon is starting to look more like what a new BMW should look like …. Very nice. And simplified info in front of the driver is a huge plus!
Ease of recycling has to be hugely important.
Liking all aspects in the way I’ve hated the look of most Beemers since E30 3 series and original 6- and 8- series….
I really find the new (concept) ideas from BMW exciting. I've never been a complete fan of BMW's design language but I did not dislike it either. This, and however it's going to turn out, has me hoping for something new and different and - yes, exciting.
I didn't think I'd ever hear a sentence ending in "... and started whole arsing them!" hahahaha
'Whole-arsing' ... love it!
It all sounds rather good (and looks good too!). I don't understand the blip after the i3 but as long as they get back on track I can love BMW again.
Have you driven the i4 with adaptive suspension? The handling is superb.
Would agree that the Neue Klasse's Kidney grill is more attractive than their current cars. What is considered good design can be subjective however bad design is universal.
It looks much better., at least the outside. I have an iX and the look 'grows on you', but it takes time. I hope they also bring back the fun of the i3. And finally, I hope the '4 brains' will be able to control the tendency of the iX to turn things on that I do not want and actually turned off (all kind of beeps for various functions). Looking forward to your first review of the New Class.
I have an aviation background and there is a reason why pilots use buttons for simple operations and as long as I can't sleep while the car is bringing me safely to my destination, I want buttons to change my temperature. I don't want one of the 4 super brains listening to me. Just as well as I wonder what that seat cover looks like once one wants to sell the car after 5 or 6 years. That design won't age well.
Good design includes buttons and stalks. I agree
Physical controls let you accomplish a task with a single step. Multi-function displays _require multiple steps_ to do a job. When you have one tool to do _everything,_ you have to continually reconfigure that tool in order to do _anything._
Nah i've had a Model S for 7 years now and I don't miss buttons one bit. The only ones I use are on the steering wheel. Audi and BMW were a mess with buttons too, just cluttered buttons everywhere and that iDrive knob they had was horrible and shit.
Lights buttons and switches for those that must have them.
@@universeisundernoobligatio3283 I’ve not touched lights for 7 years, it’s all automatic
Like Neue class external design however love the iX especially at front in Phytonic Blue
The iX gets a lot of flack for it's front, but IMO not nearly enough for it's rear.
It looks good in that they seem to have finally abandoned Bangle's design language (compare E39 to E60 for example) and one concept seemed to have returned to the small 'kidney' grilles. But as others have said - if so much is on touch screens and you have to spend ages programming the steering wheel buttons, it's "Nein, danke" from me. A pity, because do look so good.
The saloon looks more like a BMW than the overstyled lumps of recent years; I expect the price will exclude me but I think it looks brilliant. As a Tesla owner I also love the interior - I don't want buttons or switches thank you!
A few buttons and switches are very practical, and much safer.
The absolute worst is all those cars with the capacitive buttons…. Freaking idiots.
@@Roko-jb5hl - I never use buttons or screens on the move; I have it set up just how I want it so never have to change anything - most modern cars have everything set on auto anyway.
Zehr Schoen Neue Klasse review, Jack! I came for the pretty cars, but stayed for the Percival t-shirt! 🐻 And the jokes. Honk! Did you know Percival makes a shirt or two with CAR embroidery? I expect to see the "Envy Auxiliary" t-shirt on you soon! Auf Wiedersehen. ❤
Great work Xpeng
They are proving to be better tho
They should try making Analogue/Digital-less EVs
I read it more as Hyundai … lots of Ioniq 5 in the Neue Klasse
Electric. Digital. Circular. Love. It. Especially the "Circular" part (which, incidentally, BMW lists first on the Neue Klasse page).
New, all-electric platform vs. shared platform (EV and ICE). Yes please! Their 50% goal for new vehicle sales by 2023 (scarcely 6 years from now) is laudable and new, all-electric platforms are key to that transition.
Speaking of digital, do you happen to know if BMW plan to equip the Neue Klasse range with drive-by-wire systems (steering, braking, etc.)? I strongly suspect so. However, confirmation would be "wunderbar"!
On the digital front, I'm hoping that monitors for those rear view cameras will be integrated in that lower, cross-cabin informatainment setup.
Lastly, a vehicle purpose-built with disassembly and recycling in mind is as it should've been all along. Good on BMW for finally making this a priority, along with their thoughtful material choices, as well as the commitment to powering production via renewable energy.
I look forward to BMW coming to market with these advancements and will be quite interested to learn of their pricing strategy with this range.
Oh, lest I forget, as to the aesthetic, BMW nailed it. The Neue Klasse are bea•u•ti•ful. Much better, IMHO, than those recent huge octagon grills on other models.
As always, well done Mr. Scarlett.
My general experience has been that when I like the look of concept cars as much as I like these, it mean that years later, the actual production automobiles won't look much like them. Hope that changes this time.
Jack is such a good presenter, real asset to Fully charged…
Happy to see BMW reducing their massive beaver-tooth grill. These new designs and specs look awesome.
There is no doubt that BMW can come with superb quality and design.. But they should also highlight the battery mathematics... real world range, with city and highway driving, degradation, and the most concerning range drop during cold weather... Also battery replacement cost.
I love Neue Classe design! It's airy and unique. Like sixties-seventies BMW's
I hope the ease of disassembly for recycling also makes for cars that are easier and cheaper to repair, as a car that's easier to repair is one that is less likely to be scrapped due to a part failing or a minor collision. Insurance premiums have skyrocketed partly because modern cars are too complex and expensive to repair which I find very wasteful.
As for the "super brain" bit, my interpretation of this marketing guff is that the engineers are coalescing a lot of discrete control units into a handful of physical computer systems, using virtualisation to maintain reliability and isolation between the different software subsystems. It not only means lower costs from less hardware and wiring required, but also less latency when measuring and reacting to inputs like wheel speed and throttle position, making it easier to tune the car for a better handling experience. (Source: I previously worked on building developer tools for automotive electronics suppliers like Bosch and Continental that car makers rely on for these systems).
I didn’t think they could go uglier than those big armoured tank things you see on the roads these days - but they did it!
Ooh boy, do I want that car! I said once that I'll never go back to bimmers (had to pay for the timing chain issue myself!), but this would change my mind 🤤
I love my i3. Everything else BMW I don't really like. These though give me hope for BMW.
Rob's Roast (video by AIM) has some interesting comments about FCS blocking, and more.
All very interesting and promising and as you say needs to be much better with the voice controls if there will be no physical buttons. But then I'm sure it will be given that they are likely to be priced at super car levels for celebrities and footballers only in the first place. But hey you never know ?
That's a relief. For a while it looked like BMW might be a footnote in automotive history.
These cars look pretty good unlike the current models that are mostly unownably fugly.
Their compromised EVs have been deeply unimpressive.
Having recently driven from Houston to Dallas (eclipse trip) in an X3 and back in a Toyota Rogue I was struck by how inferior the BMW was of the two (yet $10k more expensive).
I feared for BMWs future. Fingers crossed that they get it right this time, and work hard to catch up with the class leaders.
The saloon is a marvel. They better bring the corduroy to the production vehicle.
Really like the look of these concepts. Especially the SUV, while the sedan in my opinion needs a higher beltline (they added an higher line in the glass, I hope they use that).
My big question is, are we sure they will go for bespoke EV?
It seems like Mercedes want to go in the opposite direction, dischi the EQ and make EV versions of current cars like the current BMWs.
Interesting...
I love the looks of this New Class. The future looks good!
Love the look of that sedan!!
Good looking cars
The saloon gives me a real "2001: A Space Odyssey" shuttle vibe.
Also, can someone explain why those camera stalks have to stick out so far? I mean, I'm sure they not at all expensive to replace when someone clips one of them. /s
I wonder when you pull out of the garage if that top starts tinting how are you not going to get sunburnt riding around in that car?
Nice to see corduroy making a return
A potential return to form for BMW following a few years of design disappointments. Looking forward to how this new approach develops.
“Whole Arsing”. Brilliant.
But well done BMW; back in the game. The i3 and i8 were really well thought through (well apart from making the i8 a hybrid) but the ground-up body shell, lightweight and radical wheels were very advanced but nothing since then till now.
Those camera mirrors will slice pedestrians in two so have a look at the Honda-e to see how it can be done (theirs stick out less than the wheel arches) but love the much better grill designs. Hopefully they haven’t just Osborne’d themselves with the current models!
Did Jack forget the old G i8? No mention at all 1:23
It was hybrid only, BMW never made it the full electric car it really should have been form the start.
Does anyone else get dodge challenger vibes from the design? Interior looks cool and heads up speedo etc should be in all modern cars these days. Looks cool
Saloon reminds me of the late 90s quattroporte
So, has anyone pointed out yet that they won't actually be named "Neue Klasse" yet?
(As that's just German for "New Class" and therefore would be both redundant & confusing.)
It's the platforms that count now. A car is a car is a car. But it's the platform that makes a difference
Actually, the Euro Ncap people are going to start marking down the safety results if there are no physical controls for a defined list of controls from 2025 so I doubt the screen only looks will get to the production car.
Good looking, finally a dedicated EV architecture - now BMW just needs their own charging infrastructure.
Hilarious!!! Jack rocks! ... "bmw stopped halfa$$ing" 😂
I think the drive well make a very big difference. Even if they can make them drive as well as my Series 4 they should be a winner. Holding onto my car until the saloon is available.
I had an i3 for a weekend. Loved it, except for the fact that it didn’t have the range to even make it to the next town over.
And if it’s regulated to in-town… well a bicycle is a lot cheaper.
I have an i3 BEV now, mid size battery and its range is 140 miles, more than enough to reach the next city never mind town. Did you forget to charge it ?
With the right infrastructure everywhere is possible. I've driven my i3 from The Netherlands to Croatia and to Corsica. Just don't rush, better for your health as well...
@@Pignapper123 @TheRealMrSkippy as it happens, the town is right about 140 miles away. But it’s also a decent climb is elevation.
The one I had said it would get around ~120 mi.
I have just watched a video on the new Pagani Utopia and came over to watch this and I really want to get excited about Evs but Im so going to miss the old ice super cars.
We all know that concepts rarely look much like the final product so I am reserving full judgement but as Jack says, it is a marked improvement in design language as a whole. The kidney grills in recent BMWs are so embarrasingly large and ugly they have been enough to put me off considering one.
The interior in particular looks very "concepty" so I expect a lot of changes there. Hopefully the good stuff like the panoramic screen will stay but they'll back down a little on removing all stalks and physical buttons. I actually don't mind not having physical A/C buttons as I don't tend to alter it that much, but for gods sake give me a physical indicator stalk!
The front is much better. I wish the headlights were circular rather than vertical strips. They’ve sorted the kidney grill and lost the other iconic historical link.
For me the BMW i4 is already the EV of choice if I was in the market for an EV. Seeing these new BMW concepts really makes me look forward to what is coming (instead of the resentment I have found myself feeling with some of the offerings of other manufacturers).
Inhouse Computer, bespoke EV.... I guess that's not the BMW Neue Klasse, but the BMW Tesla ;)
Look who's copying whom now.
When he was waxing lyrical about 'simplifying the cabin' I thought, 'like Tesla?'. Bit of a fluff piece this vid, but I would be interested if BMW make anything like these concepts.
If only the production model looked just like this.
I like the sedan.... although it strangely screams American Muscle Car to me? The headlights are rather modern Mustang and the long grill is very early 1970s. Thats not a bad thing, it's just an interesting choice.
I agree, I much prefer the front of the sedan. As an I3 owner, I like what I hear. Until this, it has seemed like they forgot all they've learned in the making of the I3 and I8 as well.
I'm not that much of a BMW guy, but anything is fine by me if it's an EV 4 seater.
This, the Nio Et9, etc.
Also I never realised the i3 was discontinued, I've seen so many of them. A shame, to be honest
Also also, I really do like the style of the IX and the (top spec) I7
This may be just obvious, but doesn't so much glass on an EV undermine any efficiencies with excess Aircon' use? (I live in Australia, but UK has had a couple of scorching summers recently).