I was raised in Church. Grew up scared spitless of the whole Hell doctrine! They told me God loved us enough to provide a way to save us from Hell. If God truly loved us, WHY would he think up the idea of Hell in the first place, and then invent & construct the place, and then decide we're going there unless we sign up for salvation??? One of many major reasons why I no longer believe that stuff!!! She really drives home good points here and has you really thinking about stuff!
I started to think for myself back in 2010 it was a long and hard process today it's not so hard although the haunting thoughts are still there the "what ifs" although in the middle of all this i have this wonderful liberation. I like to thank Marlene Winell for what she is doing which is encouraging.
+JourneyFreeOrg I will tell you about an experience I had and then what I have come to (thus far) realize...so: when I was little (I don't remember my age then) I saw some flies hovering around a plant; hearing of how disease ridden they can be I decided that I should try to get rid of them (as there was food involved), so after telling someone who didn’t care I went there intending to somehow get them to go outside and trapped one under my finger and was trying to figure out what to do when I hesitated, and as I felt it's wings beating and it struggling to get away I got scared that it might attack me and crushed it and as I heard it's exoskeleton crack I felt sick and Instantly regretted it; I told someone; she seemed irritated but did not really care so I washed my hands and left the others alone...(I helped with food I think) anyway A few years later when I was 13 years old I got very VERY sick; so sick in fact that I nearly died...and may have even been technically dead at one point: (I say may have been because my mother and I think a doctor said it at one point but no one really wants to talk or hear about it) and while hallucinating some very interesting and strange things and I do have experience with such things as it has happened to me...multiple times, (the hallucinating part I mean:)) I experienced something so different...that I do not believe it to be a hallucination if only because when one is hallucinating one can still "act and think" regardless of how...interesting it may be: with this I had no "images" (or anything like that) I had no thoughts (of any kind at all) (and if you think you know what I'm talking about...you probably don't) for there was...nothing; the only way I know of this is because I remembered afterwards: and unknown to me at the time their was tremendous pain and a crushing feeling as presumably my body and mind where shutting down: until of course the doctors saved me...after that day I can say I know just how that fly or daddy long legs or whatever else that I had unfortunately crushed probably felt as it's life was destroyed...I “say” all this because I have come to realize that (obviously) death is wrong and otherwise incorrect period: and an unfortunate and unacceptable part of the reality in which we live; only to be acknowledged nothing more...however fortunately (which is what I've been getting to) obviously there is life which obviously should and needs to be respected; for while there may be no equivalency or equitability or comparativeness or comparability or similarity or sameness and while everything may be different and there may be total difference at least fundamentally if only because we are all living things we are all equal though we are not the same: and I say this because in spite of a lot of what I had heard and a lot of what I had been fought I realized that I should whenever possible try to preserve whatever living thing(s) there might be if only because well not only do I not want to kill anything but also for the sake of life itself; and only kill if and when it is necessary: if the is actually being attacked and hurt by something and cannot get away from it for instance... There is also this: physicists say that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it merely changes: and since we are all made of energy I take this to mean that no matter what the energy that makes us up will always be a part of the universe: while not exactly comforting it is at the very least...something...I obviously feel fortunate to be alive and will try and live forever; regardless though we can always hope that there is an ideal place. PS. Human species. Socialized health care rules! (I didn't need a credit card to live!) go true free democratic socialism!..with free enterprise freedom etc...:) and finally. Truth is key to the treasure of knowledge. P.P.S. I hope that was not very if at all creepy and well worded this time; sorry about that.
Alan Watts has something useful to say about God. “Is God really omniscient? Imagine, you know everything. Nothing can surprise you, nothing can delight you. No act of love can be genuine because you commanded yourself to be loved. What an appalling existence!”
To all the truly caring religious people out there, meaning definitely not the judgemental ones, I sympathise with your concern, fear and anxiety I will lose my soul in eternal flames: Please stop worrying and/or praying for my soul, I dont have one. Please lose no sleep over me - It will not happen, quit fretting.
Dear Dr. Winell, I believe all religions were based on mythology. It’s all make believe, but people like myself that are born into it’s prison are judged by irrational standards.
The Goſpel that ſaues and how to be ſaued accoꝛding to the woꝛd of God : "1 MOꝛeouer bꝛethꝛen , I declare vnto you the Goſpel which I pꝛeached vnto you, which alſo you haue receiued,and wherein yee ſtand. 2 By which also yee are ſaued , if yee keepe in memoꝛie what I pꝛeached vnto you , vnleſſe yee haue beleeued in vaine. 3 Foꝛ I deliuered vnto you firſt of all , that which I alſo receiued , how that Chꝛiſt died for our ſinnes accoꝛding to the Scriptures : 4 And that he was buried,and that he roſe againe the third day accoꝛding to the Scriptures." - 1 Coꝛinthians 15:1-4 Holy Bible 1611 "9 That if thou ſhalt confeſſe with thy mouth the Loꝛd Ieſus , and ſhalt beleeue in thine heart , that God hath raiſed him from the dead , thou ſhalt be ſaued. 10 Foꝛ with the heart man beleeueth vnto righteouſneſſe,and with the mouth confeſſion is made vnto ſaluation. 11 Foꝛ the Scripture ſaith, Whoſoeuer beleeueth on him , ſhall not bee aſhamed. 12 Foꝛ there is no difference betweene the Iew and the Greeke : foꝛ the ſame Loꝛd ouer all, is rich vnto all, that call vpon him. 13 Foꝛ whoſoeuer ſhall call vpon the Name of the Loꝛd,ſhall be ſaued." - Romanes 10:9-13 Holy Bible 1611
I was raised in Church. Grew up scared spitless of the whole Hell doctrine! They told me God loved us enough to provide a way to save us from Hell.
If God truly loved us, WHY would he think up the idea of Hell in the first place, and then invent & construct the place, and then decide we're going there unless we sign up for salvation???
One of many major reasons why I no longer believe that stuff!!!
She really drives home good points here and has you really thinking about stuff!
I’m not really afraid of death. I’m afraid that I missed out on so much while living because of religion.
Same here.
I started to think for myself back in 2010 it was a long and hard process today it's not so hard although the haunting thoughts are still there the "what ifs" although in the middle of all this i have this wonderful liberation. I like to thank Marlene Winell for what she is doing which is encouraging.
+JourneyFreeOrg
I will tell you about an experience I had and then what I have come to (thus far) realize...so: when I was little (I don't remember my age then) I saw some flies hovering around a plant; hearing of how disease ridden they can be I decided that I should try to get rid of them (as there was food involved), so after telling someone who didn’t care I went there intending to somehow get them to go outside and trapped one under my finger and was trying to figure out what to do when I hesitated, and as I felt it's wings beating and it struggling to get away I got scared that it might attack me and crushed it and as I heard it's exoskeleton crack I felt sick and Instantly regretted it; I told someone; she seemed irritated but did not really care so I washed my hands and left the others alone...(I helped with food I think) anyway A few years later when I was 13 years old I got very VERY sick; so sick in fact that I nearly died...and may have even been technically dead at one point: (I say may have been because my mother and I think a doctor said it at one point but no one really wants to talk or hear about it) and while hallucinating some very interesting and strange things and I do have experience with such things as it has happened to me...multiple times, (the hallucinating part I mean:)) I experienced something so different...that I do not believe it to be a hallucination if only because when one is hallucinating one can still "act and think" regardless of how...interesting it may be: with this I had no "images" (or anything like that) I had no thoughts (of any kind at all) (and if you think you know what I'm talking about...you probably don't) for there was...nothing; the only way I know of this is because I remembered afterwards: and unknown to me at the time their was tremendous pain and a crushing feeling as presumably my body and mind where shutting down: until of course the doctors saved me...after that day I can say I know just how that fly or daddy long legs or whatever else that I had unfortunately crushed probably felt as it's life was destroyed...I “say” all this because I have come to realize that (obviously) death is wrong and otherwise incorrect period: and an unfortunate and unacceptable part of the reality in which we live; only to be acknowledged nothing more...however fortunately (which is what I've been getting to) obviously there is life which obviously should and needs to be respected; for while there may be no equivalency or equitability or comparativeness or comparability or similarity or sameness and while everything may be different and there may be total difference at least fundamentally if only because we are all living things we are all equal though we are not the same: and I say this because in spite of a lot of what I had heard and a lot of what I had been fought I realized that I should whenever possible try to preserve whatever living thing(s) there might be if only because well not only do I not want to kill anything but also for the sake of life itself; and only kill if and when it is necessary: if the is actually being attacked and hurt by something and cannot get away from it for instance...
There is also this: physicists say that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it merely changes: and since we are all made of energy I take this to mean that no matter what the energy that makes us up will always be a part of the universe: while not exactly comforting it is at the very least...something...I obviously feel fortunate to be alive and will try and live forever; regardless though we can always hope that there is an ideal place.
PS. Human species. Socialized health care rules! (I didn't need a credit card to live!) go true free democratic socialism!..with free enterprise freedom etc...:) and finally. Truth is key to the treasure of knowledge.
P.P.S. I hope that was not very if at all creepy and well worded this time; sorry about that.
Alan Watts has something useful to say about God. “Is God really omniscient? Imagine, you know everything. Nothing can surprise you, nothing can delight you. No act of love can be genuine because you commanded yourself to be loved. What an appalling existence!”
This is beautiful. Thank you.
I think I need to hear this!
To all the truly caring religious people out there, meaning definitely not the judgemental ones, I sympathise with your concern, fear and anxiety I will lose my soul in eternal flames:
Please stop worrying and/or praying for my soul, I dont have one. Please lose no sleep over me - It will not happen, quit fretting.
Love Marlene for she does.
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Dear Dr. Winell,
I believe all religions were based on mythology.
It’s all make believe, but people like myself that are born into it’s prison are judged by irrational standards.
The Goſpel that ſaues and how to be ſaued accoꝛding to the woꝛd of God :
"1 MOꝛeouer bꝛethꝛen , I declare vnto you the Goſpel which I pꝛeached vnto you, which alſo you haue receiued,and wherein yee ſtand.
2 By which also yee are ſaued , if yee keepe in memoꝛie what I pꝛeached vnto you , vnleſſe yee haue beleeued in vaine.
3 Foꝛ I deliuered vnto you firſt of all , that which I alſo receiued , how that Chꝛiſt died for our ſinnes accoꝛding to the Scriptures :
4 And that he was buried,and that he roſe againe the third day accoꝛding to the Scriptures."
- 1 Coꝛinthians 15:1-4 Holy Bible 1611
"9 That if thou ſhalt confeſſe with thy mouth the Loꝛd Ieſus , and ſhalt beleeue in thine heart , that God hath raiſed him from the dead , thou ſhalt be ſaued.
10 Foꝛ with the heart man beleeueth vnto righteouſneſſe,and with the mouth confeſſion is made vnto ſaluation.
11 Foꝛ the Scripture ſaith, Whoſoeuer beleeueth on him , ſhall not bee aſhamed.
12 Foꝛ there is no difference betweene the Iew and the Greeke : foꝛ the ſame Loꝛd ouer all, is rich vnto all, that call vpon him.
13 Foꝛ whoſoeuer ſhall call vpon the Name of the Loꝛd,ſhall be ſaued."
- Romanes 10:9-13 Holy Bible 1611