Wing Commander 4 - Good Ending

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  • Good Ending with all correct answers during the hearing.
    Did you like it? Chris Roberts, the lead developer of the Wing Commander Series is currently making a new game and looking for pledges.
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    Quick Summary of the story:
    The Borderworlds declare their independence from earth, Admiral Tolwyn (the bad guy) stages acts of terrorism, supposedly commited by Borderworlds forces, using his secret Black Lance Forces which causes an assembly voting for war declaration. Throughout the campaign you uncovered this plot and tried to stop Tolwyn by intercepting his flagship Vesuvius. Although you manage to destroy it Tolwyn escapes and rushes to the final hearing prior to the voting. After killing his best Soldier "Seether" during a dogfight, you arrive at said hearing and have to convince the assembly by giving the correct responses.
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  • @HaesslichG
    @HaesslichG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    Hamill and McDowell were superb.

    • @juricadogan3870
      @juricadogan3870 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yup, Pavarotti was surprisingly good too.

    • @zephyr8072
      @zephyr8072 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Jurica Dogan HE IS NOT MR. PAVAROTTI.
      Mr. Pavarotti spikka lika dis. Does he spikka lika dis? NOOOOO.

    • @Robdc89
      @Robdc89 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's John Rhys-Davies, he played Gimli in the lord of the rings trilogy.

    • @zephyr8072
      @zephyr8072 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Robdc89 To me he will always be Professor Maximillian Arturo.

  • @siralcatraz9049
    @siralcatraz9049 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Even after 26 years (as of typing those comment), That "Price of Freedom" speech is still etched into my brain.

    • @Tr1pleZero
      @Tr1pleZero  ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Indeed. Mark Hamill did an oscarworthy job in this cutscene. Mcdowell killed it as well though, such a great villain. And he is so damn convincing as well.

  • @Watcher3223
    @Watcher3223 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    _"Tolwyn is now slated for execution tomorrow."_
    In the meantime, he'll just be hanging around in his cell...

    • @M4nw1thnoname9
      @M4nw1thnoname9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      "Tolwyn didn't kill himself "

    • @RoninFox203
      @RoninFox203 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHH well played, I nearly choked on my tea. 😆😂🤣

  • @vonneely1977
    @vonneely1977 2 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    In Star Wars, Mark Hamill defeated a Sith Lord. In Wing Commander, Mark Hamill defeated the Sith Philosophy.

    • @tetsuyatsurugi9250
      @tetsuyatsurugi9250 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      If you’d think about it Tolwyn is very close to Palpatine

    • @piotrmiler234
      @piotrmiler234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@tetsuyatsurugi9250 He is more Tarkin like .

    • @snakes3425
      @snakes3425 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Both Tolwyn and the Kilrathi were corrupted by Sith ideology

    • @autosundspiele1602
      @autosundspiele1602 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Tolwyn wasn't always evil, it was a descent into evil, maybe beginning with the lost of family in the Kilrathy war

  • @UltimaKeyMaster
    @UltimaKeyMaster 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    7:48
    This. This is one of the highlights of Mark Hamill's career. Right here. I thought Joker's eulogy to Batman was already up there (even when he made it BETTER during a Star Wars Celebration and more menacing to boot), but it turns out he had an even better monologue up his sleeve the entire time, slipped right under our noses for those who didn't know of this once popular series. I can't tell you how much I was smiling ear-to-ear like an absolute fool listening to this just learning about these games recently. And I had called it by the end of the third game, too. He was obviously so focused on absolute power, on having an obvious enemy to fight, that the fourth game's beginning made it clear as day what he was going to become. And Blair gets to chew him out AND the scenery at the same time.
    Even if this series may have fizzled out a short time after this, I'm glad we got the first four games. They are a masterfully built up quadrology of titles.

  • @DavidTourian
    @DavidTourian 7 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    As much as I loved the previous Kilrathi saga games... this sequence for me is why Wing Commander 4 is my favorite of the series. They could have gone with a typical epic space battle but instead they went with this confrontation on the senate floor. It's so unorthodox yet so effective. This is right up there with the ending with The Boss in Metal Gear Solid 3 - gaming memories that I will cherish until I die.
    People love Mark Hamill for Luke Skywalker and the Joker, which I love, but for me, Colonel Christopher Blair is his role for the ages. The man is a legend.

    • @SASburn6113
      @SASburn6113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      David Tourian amen... As someone who has just played though all the games and literally just finished the final mission a few hours ago, I do have to say this was a amazing way to finish off the game and in all, the wing commander series. Mark Hamill did a great job with his role in wing commander 3 & 4. Overall, as a cinematic experience in a game in 1995, before the rise of cinematic gaming I have to say it was nothing short of amazing to see and play.

    • @SASburn6113
      @SASburn6113 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Sorry for the long post, I just really like this game

    • @CocoOPNY
      @CocoOPNY 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Too bad he wasn't cast in the original movie!

    • @AbelMcTalisker
      @AbelMcTalisker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      This was one of the high points of the live-action cutscene era of gaming. At this point, they couldn`t produce convincing human characters as CGI so having live actors in the scenes was a necessity. With the Wing Commander games from 3 onwards, they really went to town and got a first-rate cast to appear in the scenes and with this one they got to almost movie quality.
      As CGI got better we got better-looking animated characters but they can`t act as well even now.

    • @mattosullivan9687
      @mattosullivan9687 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep Yep Yep

  • @adamburge7971
    @adamburge7971 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    The Wing Commander series was great to play, and you actually felt for all the characters you worked with, and when the story killed off ones you liked ... well that hurt.

    • @Solarnova
      @Solarnova 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah years ago I was pretty sad to find out that Devereaux had only a small part to play in III and then she was gone. Losing Shadow in Wing Commander II really hit hard too, she was a good wingman. Spirit's death... yikes, some things you never forget.

  • @brentage5000
    @brentage5000 5 ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Loved this game so much as a kid, and love the fact that if you think about it, Blair is basically what Luke could have been without the Force

  • @charlessaint7926
    @charlessaint7926 8 ปีที่แล้ว +82

    "HE is dead" That line stopped Tolwyn in his tracks. Love it. Blair's words and Tolwyn's face after that all show deep emotions.

    • @pfcthomasblackhawk1100
      @pfcthomasblackhawk1100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Charles Saint
      I just Luv when
      Bloopers get in
      the movie, and
      if you watch carefully
      Lots of Movies has
      Bunch of them...... everywhere 🤪

    • @JnEricsonx
      @JnEricsonx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      "Don't fuck with a Jedi Master son."

    • @willcardona7712
      @willcardona7712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah he was supposed to be perfection, but Blair beat him. So how perfect was he really?

    • @JustinChristopher-ov7gw
      @JustinChristopher-ov7gw ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You can't buy quality/competence. Seether was ruthless... but not great because he lacked humanity.

  • @nascar138
    @nascar138 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I remember how devastated Tolwyn was in the third game when his cannon ship was destroyed. He fell into depression after that. Would explain his mentality in this one.

    • @PapaWolfGTG
      @PapaWolfGTG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      That’s exactly what happened. He threw everything he had into the G.E. Program and forming the Black Lance and making sure it was up and running as soon as possible after the Behemoth went down.

    • @zephyr8072
      @zephyr8072 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      In the greater s ope of things, the Concordia was his ship.
      Losing that probably hurt a lot too.

    • @SirCraigius
      @SirCraigius 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Interesting theory, but I'm not personally so sure it was that one defeat that did it. Like he said, he believed mankind was at its peak while it was fighting for its survival against the Kilrathi. Peace meant complacity and stagnation in his eyes. He craved war. He had the same mindset as the Shadows in Babylon 5. Evolution and progress paid for in blood. He wasn't evil, he was just extremely misguided and obsessive in his aims to make humanity perfect.

  • @bursegsardaukar
    @bursegsardaukar ปีที่แล้ว +9

    “I’m not a farmer”. Nope. He has too much of his father in him.

    • @Sammy4549
      @Sammy4549 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      That's what I'm afraid of.

    • @bursegsardaukar
      @bursegsardaukar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Sammy4549 Kicks stone and watch the binary sunset.

  • @SapphireCrusader1988
    @SapphireCrusader1988 10 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    I loved Blair's reaction after the vote was cast. A look of pure amazement at what he just accomplished.

    • @Tigerman1138
      @Tigerman1138 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Stephen Jackson People rubbed his shoulders, hugged him, shook his hand, and he seemed only 5% aware still his awe so powerful by stopping a war.

    • @lithari1480
      @lithari1480 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@Tigerman1138 They don't make games like this anymore.....its all focused on micro-transactions and profit.

    • @SuperNitroZ64
      @SuperNitroZ64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@lithari1480 that just shows how desperate certain companies are.

  • @DarthKripple
    @DarthKripple 7 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I can forgive Tolwyn's fear, but never his actions.

  • @SNARC15
    @SNARC15 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    "Would you qualify the Gen-Select BIOWEAPON as an effective tool, Admiral?"
    At that moment...shots fired!

  • @Sizdothyx
    @Sizdothyx 7 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    How the Hell was Mark Hamill not teed up for more movies in the 90s with this performance?

    • @Tr1pleZero
      @Tr1pleZero  7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I have been wondering the same. Maybe he didnt want to?

    • @SirCraigius
      @SirCraigius 5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Adrian Arshad cause performance in a video game got zero resect back then in the film industry.

    • @JnEricsonx
      @JnEricsonx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@SirCraigius Pretty much. Also, not like he was hurting for money, was doing a good amount of voice work then, including of course as The Joker.

    • @JefferyAClark
      @JefferyAClark 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JnEricsonx I heard that he prefers voiceover work because the schedules are less demanding - go sit in a sound booth for a week and you're done for a while. It also allows him greater control over the actual "film/tv" roles he does, since when he attaches to them, he's not constrained by other projects.

  • @vindicator05
    @vindicator05 6 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    10:18 What you see here is nothing less than the best finale of a computer-game. Regarding music, script, sceneplay, text. Loaded with pathos but nothing cheesy. Never before, never since.

    • @FuNati
      @FuNati 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      every Rockstar game

    • @stefanjevtic7175
      @stefanjevtic7175 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@FuNatiyou must be joking.

    • @TheShiningEnergy
      @TheShiningEnergy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What platforms is this on? Steam?

    • @vindicator05
      @vindicator05 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@TheShiningEnergy i dont know. The platform was called "CD-ROM" when i played it about 30 years ago ☺️

  • @ambiancesb1
    @ambiancesb1 10 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    "Maniac.. Shut up." :)

  • @sdhubbard
    @sdhubbard ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I like how Admiral Tolwyn sounds like the Terran Federation from Starship Troopers. Also his argument about being ready would have some merit with the next alien menace in Wing Commander Prophecy. That said, he's still in the wrong.

    • @Emigdiosback
      @Emigdiosback 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Because his attempt at genetic purity will only just weaken humanity.

    • @davidvangerner7241
      @davidvangerner7241 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@Emigdiosbackhumanity would be too low in population numbers for a war in the long run

  • @nerometalmkii2876
    @nerometalmkii2876 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "Maniac"
    "Yeah?"
    "Shut up"
    He needed to hear that, and so did we

    • @Maniac742
      @Maniac742 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He became so depressed by that statement he decided to go back in time.

    • @UltimaKeyMaster
      @UltimaKeyMaster 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Maniac742 Oh. Oh my god I realized I was looking for the wrong person in IMDB, that IS BIFF.

    • @blockmasterscott
      @blockmasterscott 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@UltimaKeyMaster OMG, is that Biff? I never noticed!

  • @thegame346
    @thegame346 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The music during the tribunal for Tolwyn was so well done. You really felt all the emotions you experienced during the game come out in that few minute recap of everything that had transpired and the music played a huge part of it.
    I wish they would remake these.

    • @derrickhaggard
      @derrickhaggard ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same or a proper 6th game set after Prophecy as the ending of it hints at Christopher actually surviving his supposed sacrifice to save humanity. As I love this series. But given that EA holds the rights to the series chances of a proper remake of the original 5 games, or a official 6th game is slim to none and even if a remake of the original 5 games, or a official 6th game was announced there would be a chance that EA would screw it up by adding in tons of pay to win Microtransaction BS.

  • @error4v0r47
    @error4v0r47 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can’t believe this game really used real video, but a lot of scenes. Separate scenes for each scene. This had to be grueling work.

  • @Steffanej
    @Steffanej 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I still remember this as if it was yesterday. Both part 3 and 4 are among the best games ever made and the beste games of the 90s. Everything about this games is great. The story with the tragedies, the victories and you really felt like you accomplished something. The friendship you had in the game with characters made it very personal. If you lost a Wing man that you really liked it was difficult not to reload and if the story killed them off I was really pissed.
    Most games nowadays don't even come close the level of this game. I you have never played any of the first 4 games in de the series you have missed something. There is nothing out there that does the same thing and if they try to do so they fail miserably.

  • @nielnielsen4822
    @nielnielsen4822 8 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Hang in there Tolwyn.

  • @YTDeepshock
    @YTDeepshock 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Tolwyn literally went "you don't have to fire me, I quit."

  • @bouvond
    @bouvond 10 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    One of the best games EVER, next to WC3

  • @mikelfurey
    @mikelfurey 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    My 14 year old self always thought Tamara Farnsworth to be pretty cute..lol! In all honesty WC4 is an excellent piece of space opera, and i'm glad it was part of my childhood. Wish current space sims had this level of drama. There's more to sims than just the cockpit and walking around outside your ship with no clear reason.

  • @BornToPun7541
    @BornToPun7541 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Admiral Tolwyn's actions and behavior in this game is very similar to the Ringleaders faction of the Galactic Federation as mentioned in Metroid Fusion. And Col. Blair blew the cover off of Black Lance as Samus Aran blew the cover off of the Ringleaders' plans regarding the X-parasites, Metroids and even Space Pirates.

    • @UltimaKeyMaster
      @UltimaKeyMaster 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The unfortunate thing is how confused it made us in the English version, AND in Other M. They tried to paint the entire Federation as the ones at fault, that everyone higher up was responsible for those projects.
      It was only a rogue group, someone like Tolwyn who had engineered these projects, and would try to see Samus hung out to dry with their position. But Samus has friends in the Federation, ironically in Other M Anthony would be her Paladin to vouch that she deserves a voice..
      Buuuuuuuuut as of Metroid Dread, it seems like that debate never needed to happen. The Federation likely already weeded out the splinter factions and Samus can go on her merry way.

  • @derrickhaggard
    @derrickhaggard ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I loved this ending especially since Chris put Tolwyn in his place.

  • @lastfreethinker6810
    @lastfreethinker6810 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Didn't realize Chris Roberts had a cameo at the trail. Fourth person testify at the trail FYI.

  • @earthwolf82
    @earthwolf82 6 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This is actually kind of relevant today.

  • @M4nw1thnoname9
    @M4nw1thnoname9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    9:06 "at this moment, he realized, he flunked up"

  • @vinnyc.1265
    @vinnyc.1265 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    In a fucked up way Towlyn was right: The Nephilim invaded in Wing Commander Prophecy.

  • @EarthenDam
    @EarthenDam 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This was such an emotional ending for me, not many games before or since were so good.

  • @CornholioDK
    @CornholioDK 6 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    wing commander 3 and 4 10/10 games.. like really.. its that good.

  • @SapphireCrusader1988
    @SapphireCrusader1988 10 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    This was a great moment because it makes the players think if it is really worth it to protect the human race when our humanity is the first casualty.

    • @theymusthatetesla3186
      @theymusthatetesla3186 10 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Interesting way of putting it!

    • @SapphireCrusader1988
      @SapphireCrusader1988 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      ***** I'm glad you think so.

    • @Praxographist
      @Praxographist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stephen Jackson uh yeah it’s worth. You can’t really impose ideals on an entire race.

    • @EmptyMan000
      @EmptyMan000 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Praxographist It's not about ideals, it's about being able function afterwards and be at peace with ourselves to have the drive to keep living. If we give up our humanity to live, then frankly what drive is there to live? How long before self-preservation just drops to zero?

    • @Praxographist
      @Praxographist 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EmptyMan000 And what is it that gets in the way of accepting the price of survival? Ideals. Self preservation is a sovereign instinct and will never falter. And the future is assured by those who have the strength to put a sock in their bleeding heart's mouth and do what is necessary.

  • @longle5997
    @longle5997 8 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Amazing moment in cinematic gaming

  • @CapnChryssalid
    @CapnChryssalid 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Very much a classic. One of the best games I've ever had the pleasure of playing.

  • @fluxmuldar
    @fluxmuldar 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Great sequence. Blair is basically goading Tolwyn into revealing his monstrous personal philosophy to the Senate. Which if you think about it, is basically American Imperialism in a nutshell.

  • @Atreus21
    @Atreus21 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I get the impression that the Tolwyn trial was originally a longer sequence, and they just took pieces of it to get a quick scene done.

  • @snakes3425
    @snakes3425 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain

  • @Egobyte83
    @Egobyte83 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Actually there are several variances that can lead to the same ending; I have always chosen differently on two questions here and still got the same ending. I believe the ones you absolutely need to get right are "Seize the moment", "Like BIOWEAPONS?" and "Tell them more..."

    • @dustman820
      @dustman820 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I know this is a year old comment I am replying to. You have to get any three of the five choices correct to get the council to vote for no war with the Border Worlds. Any less and they vote to go to war and Blair gets death by firing squad. He also gets death by FS if you choose fools rush in because Paladin will decide to "Remove that turncoat". That is called the no debate ending.

    • @AbelMcTalisker
      @AbelMcTalisker 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dustman820 There is also the "remain loyal" ending where, if you decide not to defect to the Border Worlds after you get asked the second time the game ends with Blair getting drunk in a bar after being discharged from the service and watching Tolwyn launch his war on a vid.

  • @joshgellis3292
    @joshgellis3292 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wing Commander is one of the BEST AND UTTERLY ORIGINAL games EVER!

  • @martinjrgensen8234
    @martinjrgensen8234 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They acted the hell out of this scene.

  • @Zoomer30_
    @Zoomer30_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The boarder worlds have fallen to a "plot", a "phantom menace" if you will.

  • @LightStreak567
    @LightStreak567 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I've only played the first Wing Commander on the SNES before, but I have to say that WC4 is officially my top favorite.

    • @thegreenreaper6660
      @thegreenreaper6660 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Try the F2P Wing Commander Saga! Its an epic story during WC-3 Heart of the Tiger, but told from a different perspective, on a different carrier on the Front.
      FS-2 engine. Runs stable, maybe lacks the famous ingame cutscenes, but they did a really good job on this! ITs F2P as its a community-development.
      I'd highly recommend it!

  • @Phlebas
    @Phlebas 7 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    And 10% of the assembly thought, "ehh, I still want to start a war for no reason" after all that.
    Which, sadly, seems kind of realistic.

    • @tetsuyatsurugi9250
      @tetsuyatsurugi9250 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Well it is realistic. Tolwyn ‘s philosophy still,exists in real live

  • @Fenris77
    @Fenris77 10 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Tolwyn chosing the cowards way out!

  • @Rilian7
    @Rilian7 11 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    One of the best PC games ever, and the best in the series.

    • @earthwolf82
      @earthwolf82 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Agreed, It's fine fighting an aggressive alien menace, but this game shows what we see today. Humanity is very capable of atrocities on itself.

  • @Tigerman1138
    @Tigerman1138 7 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I have always felt Towlwyn's speaking is the next conflict, who protect us, what will happen...was the reason WC V was called... "Prophecy."

    • @theymusthatetesla3186
      @theymusthatetesla3186 7 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      ....never thought of that!

    • @yanava
      @yanava 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      And you are absolutely correct

    • @thegreenreaper6660
      @thegreenreaper6660 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Nice thought, but the Prophecy is explained in the game's intro: 'During the times of the ancient ones, Sivar himself, appeared in a vision, to the first Prophetess of Kilrah. His words are recorded in the Tome of Sivar:
      "There shall come a time when one who has the Heart of a Kilrathi, but is not Kilrathi-born, shall reign cleansing fire down upon us, and K'nath'rak, a time of great Darkness, shall embrace us".

    • @jframe9715
      @jframe9715 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@thegreenreaper6660 Sivar's "There shall come a time when one who has the Heart of a Kilrathi, but is not Kilrathi-born, shall reign cleansing fire down upon us" so it mean Blair.

    • @koenvandiepen7651
      @koenvandiepen7651 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You never played wc V? Cause they verry verry clearly state what Prophecy they are talking about.

  • @tomrae3817
    @tomrae3817 8 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Dispite everything, I still felt a little sorry for Tolwyn during that trial.

    • @SirCraigius
      @SirCraigius 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Tolwyn wasn't evil. He honestly believed what he was doing was for the greater good and the survival of the species. Him ambitions were noble. It was his methods that were tragically warped.
      So we can pity him, even if we must condemn him.

    • @EmptyMan000
      @EmptyMan000 6 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      His ambitions were not noble. He was a warhawk in the worst ways, trying to doom mankind to a life of endless combat against some perceived enemy that isn't even there and mindless slaughter for the sake of it. A dead end disguised as good intentioned-self defense. It would be stupid to not call him evil or wrong. It would be the same as defending hyper-deadly cigarettes simply because they make you feel good for short moment.

    • @wargaming-u3063
      @wargaming-u3063 6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Man if you feel sorry for Tolwyn you clearly have not played the serries all the way trough. Tolwyn is like that boss that picks on you he is a massive ashole to Blair in all the games.

    • @CornholioDK
      @CornholioDK 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mankind was nearly exterminated in the kilrathi war tolwyn wanted to save mankind at any cost. he truely believed that their victory was nothing but good luck and that the next time they faced another race they would not be that lucky. we all condem him for his evil acts but he sadly did them with good intensions. not for personal gain.

    • @SuperNitroZ64
      @SuperNitroZ64 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This entire ending reminds me of the courtroom scene in the A Few Good Men movie, where Kaffey exposed Colonel Jessup for ordering the code red, which caused the death of Santiago.

  • @TheFiddleFaddle
    @TheFiddleFaddle 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    To this day, this is my all time favorite space combat sim. I miss this series so much.

  • @TheOneZytel
    @TheOneZytel 9 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    I love this ending out of one simple reason: Tolwyn, while a monster, understood the things of life and even thou that does not excuse him I am so frightened that I would almost follow him on his ideals.
    It's a frightening thought and I love this endning, how Blair just compared the who humanity to the Kilrathi. This was one of the best finales in games I have ever seen.

    • @EmptyMan000
      @EmptyMan000 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      +TheOneZytel He was a Social Darwinist, warmonger, and an elitist. Believing only the strong will survive when the one he viewed as the strongest died so easily. He understood life no more than any aggressive lunatic. To follow him would have been to follow a madman.

    • @BSE1320
      @BSE1320 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      EmptyMan000
      Sounds awfully like a guy with a mustache from not too long ago, doesnt it?
      Even madmen with power command a presence.
      And if your audience is desperate...anything can happen.

    • @Praxographist
      @Praxographist 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      TheOneZytel Tolwyn was right. Prophecy proved him so. But his methods were fucked up.

    • @CornholioDK
      @CornholioDK 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree amazing performance by both actors

    • @ThatDamnDoughboy
      @ThatDamnDoughboy 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      We're watching millions do it in real time.

  • @tinotrivino
    @tinotrivino 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Wing Commander IV was good :D

  • @TheShiningEnergy
    @TheShiningEnergy 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    4:57 This dialogue is sad, when you consider one of the endings sees you become Tolwyn, and command his black lance forces.

  • @AlmegaOpha
    @AlmegaOpha 9 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    More than a movie than a game, but still one of my faves. I grew up with the originals.

    • @gibberconfirm166
      @gibberconfirm166 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Almega Opha It's a game. The missions are hard as shit. It's basically the same ratio as Mass Effect, you do missions and then you enjoy the goofy story segments.

    • @Tigerman1138
      @Tigerman1138 7 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      gibberconfirm nothing goofy here imo

  • @williamnixon3994
    @williamnixon3994 7 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Damn, Tolwyn hanging himself was actually... quite saddening, I have seen nothing on this and seeing the man's life just fall apart around him with one conversation and yet me still being able to piece together what he did spoke of this game's story. Not a good way to go for the man who had such hopes but no morals though

    • @SteveChisnall
      @SteveChisnall 7 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Tolwyn most-likely came to the realization that his intended plans would have probably driven humanity to the very extinction he so viscerally feared.

    • @willcardona7712
      @willcardona7712 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      When he said that mankind had become lost and confused since the end of the Kilrathi War, I think he was really talking about himself. Tolwyn couldn't seem to live without war. Without it, he lost his life's purpose. His suicide was the inevitable end of a man that never learned to live.

    • @invidofinp1828
      @invidofinp1828 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@willcardona7712 You're not wrong. Even the Kilrathi respected Towlens ability at war even if he was a "lesser being" to them.

    • @Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
      @Josep_Hernandez_Lujan ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@willcardona7712 If only he waited until Prophecy, he could've had his war

    • @caelestigladii
      @caelestigladii ปีที่แล้ว +2

      From enthusiastic youth to war hero to the engineer of earth’s survival, only to become a war criminal.

  • @thecoyotespeaks9649
    @thecoyotespeaks9649 6 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    He was a tremendous director on this game, so why did the film suck so bad. This was true FMV greatness.

    • @JnEricsonx
      @JnEricsonx 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Not given a lot of money, and when all your spacefights have to be done with CG still half in the toddler stages(unless you're ILM), vs gameplay.....

    • @sgtsnokeem1139
      @sgtsnokeem1139 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@JnEricsonx turns out CR knows how to surround himself with good people.
      On his own he's a hack.
      Just look at SC

    • @JefferyAClark
      @JefferyAClark 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@sgtsnokeem1139 I wouldn't say he's a "hack" but he's like George Lucas - a good storyteller and has skill in getting the right people around him when he's not unnecessarily constrained by budgets and timelines. Part of the reason the WC movie sucked was that they blew half their budget on casting Freddie Prinze Jr. and Matthew Lillard at the heights of their film careers so they didn't have the money to do other things that it needed, like better CG.

    • @sgtsnokeem1139
      @sgtsnokeem1139 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JefferyAClark the writing also sucked

    • @sgtsnokeem1139
      @sgtsnokeem1139 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JefferyAClark oh... and Lucas finished what he started ;)

  • @espeonfan8426
    @espeonfan8426 9 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I always did find it funny at how the truth finally comes out about Tolwyn and yet 10% of the council still votes for war.

    • @SirCraigius
      @SirCraigius 7 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And if you screw up convincing them, 10% still vote for peace :p

    • @dawyrm1
      @dawyrm1 ปีที่แล้ว

      There will always be warmongers and people who profit from conflict. Those 10% probably represent them :)

    • @Josep_Hernandez_Lujan
      @Josep_Hernandez_Lujan ปีที่แล้ว +2

      War profiteers probably

    • @anubis19801
      @anubis19801 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Late responding, but I have a feeling those 10% who still voted yes were Tolwyns' co-conspirators who stood to benefit in some way from the war. After all, he wouldn't have been able to secure the resources and financing for such a large scale operation all on his own without at least a few like-minded backers at the very top of the Confed hierarchy.

  • @GamingSpoiler
    @GamingSpoiler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    you know I wasn't fortunate enough to play this game when it was released, but I have to say I'm mind-blown by the two potential outcomes that are merely affected by your conversation. I look at much newer games such as Mass Effect (and no need to talk about the ending) and I wonder, how hard would it have been to make an ending like this one ??

  • @yanava
    @yanava 10 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thanks for posting this!

  • @AceAcabras
    @AceAcabras 8 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Great memories. I remember confronting him more stronger. Something where Blair accuses tolwin of duping the chamber.

    • @Tr1pleZero
      @Tr1pleZero  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Ace Acabras You can give one answer thats not designated as "the right one"
      I think the one you remember is the third where i chose "dance around him" the other is "confront him" or something.

    • @AceAcabras
      @AceAcabras 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      Confront him worked for me or at least I remember choosing that and it seemed more momentous to do so.

    • @Tr1pleZero
      @Tr1pleZero  8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      +Ace Acabras As i have said, one or maybe two choices can be "wrong" and you will still get the good ending.
      Note that wrong doesnt necessarily mean bad but the other option is simply more convincing to the assembly, seeing how youre dealing with a bunch of politicians it makes sense that making a logical argument will count for more than a blunt confrontation. This is the case for several choices (make a calm argument or start yelling at him)
      After all you want to convince the assembly not to start a war, Tolwyns trial comes later, thats when everyone yells at him (including blair)
      All answers shown in the video are the "right" ones, all others are not.

    • @phinix250
      @phinix250 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      I honestly found it to be the only critical option was the first one. it seemed to me that once you selected 'seize the moment' you won the game all you where changing was the dialog in-between. mind you i always did the telemar system mission so one of the options was either unmarked fighters or bio weapons i think there is another option that replaces bio weapons if you miss the telemar mission.

  • @LMarti13
    @LMarti13 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is insane to me because I would have bet a large amount of money that there was an ending where Mark Hammill hangs himself. In my mind I had combined this ending with the one where Mark gets executed by firing squad. Memory is an interesting thing

  • @raymondyee2008
    @raymondyee2008 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    11:43 and this is how it should have really ended for COL. Blair being an instructor just like how it was for Maverick in “Top Gun” (at least until “Top Gun Maverick”).

  • @hirodaigo6640
    @hirodaigo6640 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    #LukeSkywalker #MarkHamill

  • @JonathonTheAsshole
    @JonathonTheAsshole 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    HE is dead......

  • @SenorGato237
    @SenorGato237 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Know what's hilarious? This was posted 9 years ago, and Chris Roberts is still soliciting money for Star Citizen.

    • @Tr1pleZero
      @Tr1pleZero  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahaha, yeah. I actually spoke about this just yesterday with some friends. It's crazy. Current projected release date is 2027 lmao.
      I originally uploaded this when I replayed Wing Commander 4 after the SC kickstarter and noticed nobody ever uploaded the full ending.
      Ive been debating removing the advertisement in the past but I decided to leave it for posterity.

    • @SenorGato237
      @SenorGato237 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Tr1pleZero Yeah, the scope creep is sad. I guess that's what happens when the studio is run by devs and not business folk. Hopefully we'll get a good game out of it one day, because the WC series is one my favorites.

    • @TheDutchGhost
      @TheDutchGhost ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Tr1pleZero I can't believe that I paid money for this more than ten years ago as I really wanted to play the single player game.
      From time to time I forget I actually funded this until I get an occasional update.
      It did teach me something about funding kickstarters.
      Back then I thought it would result in the games I really wanted to see but were not make because marketing told the CEOs that it wouldn't sell "because this genre is currently popular", and some other nonsense since.
      Well that optimism went down quickly.

    • @stefanjevtic7175
      @stefanjevtic7175 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​​@@Tr1pleZero sorry, where did you hear that the projected release date is 2027?

    • @VulpisFoxfire
      @VulpisFoxfire ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Tr1pleZero Sadly, he went off the rails with that movie, and has been going downhill since. :-/

  • @ElShogoso
    @ElShogoso 6 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Damn this game's plot was *dark*. There's some Starcraft level shit going on here (I mean the first one of course).

  • @TheReal704Champ
    @TheReal704Champ ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I never beat this game because my 4th CD-ROM (of 6 total discs) had some error so I couldn't get past that.

  • @xensan76
    @xensan76 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Whoa, Tolwyn channeling the Dark Forest theory even before it was written!

  • @PrincessUndertaker
    @PrincessUndertaker 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I always get this Ending when I play :)

  • @Zobbtuna
    @Zobbtuna 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I loved the banshee best ship in the wing commander series imo

  • @kettch777
    @kettch777 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    He should never have been allowed to disgrace the uniform by dying in it.

  • @snakes3425
    @snakes3425 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Blair: A long time ago, I fought against a madman who saw himself as a god. I'd die before allowing Earth to become like the Empire.

  • @davidvangerner7241
    @davidvangerner7241 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the fighting scenes during the tribunal would be the black lance forces being hunted down by the confed and the border worlds

  • @AgentExeider
    @AgentExeider 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yeah I remember being given he choice between calling him on the fighters or the bioweapons, the choice seemed obvious, bioweapons is something humanity would not be kosher with no matter the situation. I mean I think there was a consideration of bioweapons during the Kilrathi war and even then they were like "nah, that's too far." So here it seemed the appropriate call out.

    • @PapaWolfGTG
      @PapaWolfGTG 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too bad the Kats didn’t feel that way. They used bio weapons in the Locanda system (in the novel and losing track of that system in WC3) as well as similar weapons on Mylon 2, where Hawk (introduced in WC4) was from.

  • @richallenxbox1976
    @richallenxbox1976 9 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    One of the few PC games I ever completed, although I did cheat and use the in game invulnerability cheat for the missions.

    • @pilotamurorei
      @pilotamurorei 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      doesnt matter, getting the story perfect is more important.

    • @Jinx1349
      @Jinx1349 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why the game was piss easy, but a good game none the less.

    • @richallenxbox1976
      @richallenxbox1976 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@pilotamurorei Yeah and I got both endings, the good and the bad.

    • @antoniusyoutube
      @antoniusyoutube 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Me too on all fronts.

  • @pfcthomasblackhawk1100
    @pfcthomasblackhawk1100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video game
    Great Movie......

  • @Erikjust
    @Erikjust 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I will say Wing commander 4 did the right thing in terms of story.
    FAR TOO many games go with the Lets scale everything up, oh you fought this monster in the first game... well now you will fight and even BIGGER monster in THIS game and once its peaked.
    We see the whole ohh we will reset everything and now you will once again fight a monster so we can keep upping the threat.
    In the end its gets tiresome, i enjoy a fighting game as much as the next, but there are also great stories to tell post war.
    Wing Commander 4 touches upon alot of them.
    What do you do when you won the war? When all your soldiers come back and there isn´t enough jobs to go around for everyone.
    What do you do when your entire career has been build around fighting one big bad enemy.
    Well suddenly that enemy isn´t there anymore, the unity that once united everyone of your people in common hatred against the enemy is gone.
    In short what do you do as a dragon slayer when there are no more dragons left to slay?
    We get sort on an answer here... you invent new dragons so there will ALWAYS be more dragons to slay, you will never run out.
    I really wish more games would go into this kind of story show society after the big bad Poobah have been defeated.
    And show it realistically.

    • @deadspace4755
      @deadspace4755 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Can you give more details on everything you said? l am interested in watching the game's movie since l have missed this masterpiece

    • @Erikjust
      @Erikjust 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@deadspace4755 Just watch the game movie.

  • @ianminto6315
    @ianminto6315 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Credit to all these actors/actresses ❤️

  • @Universal_exports87
    @Universal_exports87 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    We really need a new Wing Commander.

  • @DerpyPenguin4747
    @DerpyPenguin4747 9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    now I'm interested in seeing the "bad ending"

    • @Tigerman1138
      @Tigerman1138 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      trekie4747 It is on TH-cam

  • @RydiasRevenge
    @RydiasRevenge หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's amazing how real this is nowadays with Mark Hamill vs. Former President Trump.

  • @TornadoADV
    @TornadoADV 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Christ Roberts couldn't go on!

  • @gillespage5489
    @gillespage5489 ปีที่แล้ว

    That was quite the era of gaming.

  • @dennismckown4951
    @dennismckown4951 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    although some people seek prefection, i think imprefection is better. it gives you the choice of imagination and pretending is good for the soul. if you don't laugh at the world, it will eventually drag you down. if we didn't have imagination or pretending, none of this good and silly movies would be around. it would be a world like that movie: Big Brother is watching you. scary thought.

  • @mattosullivan9687
    @mattosullivan9687 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was good as a movie

  • @Warblefly41
    @Warblefly41 8 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Well, with war between Confed and the Border Worlds averted, the Jedi Order can begin to grow again, and humanity can now focus on the true threat - the First Order. May the Force be with you, and this will be continued in Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens!

    • @RamrodAI
      @RamrodAI 7 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't forget that the One Ring was destroyed and Middle Earth is at peace now!

    • @RedAgainstMachine
      @RedAgainstMachine 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The universe has gone through a lot, but no one was prepared for the blunder of the new trilogy.

  • @mk2mister2
    @mk2mister2 10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hmm. Interesting. They refer to him as senator in this, while Blair actually ends up becoming admiral. Was there another version of the game?

    • @Tr1pleZero
      @Tr1pleZero  10 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Paladin is the Senator, Blair is never adressed as admiral. Hes a Colonel.

    • @danixdefcon5
      @danixdefcon5 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Tr1pleZero He does end up being an admiral, but that's in the "Dark Side" ending, which you get if you take some bad decisions during the campaign (specifically, choosing to use the FlashPak against the SuperBase or following mostly Hawk's path instead of Panther's.)

    • @Tr1pleZero
      @Tr1pleZero  9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      danixdefcon5 Thats true, its the shit ending though ;-)

    • @RichXbox360
      @RichXbox360 9 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He's a Commodore in Prophecy (the proper rank, not a crap 80s computer)

  • @chadryan9900
    @chadryan9900 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Love Tom Wilson.

  • @pekkis80
    @pekkis80 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Tolwyn was right.

  • @pontiacGXPfan
    @pontiacGXPfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Malcolm McDowell in a movie as a good guy?

  • @alexl7213
    @alexl7213 ปีที่แล้ว

    An amazing game. Wrecked two joysticks playing it.

  • @philiphickey3858
    @philiphickey3858 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I got tht one in my first try. All you have to do is pick carefull fools rush in😉🙃😊

  • @jaredpaynter4140
    @jaredpaynter4140 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mark hamils characters played must have one of the highest body counts of anyone 😂 joker luke Blair all either murders thousands blew up space stations full of troopers or entire planets filled with cats

  • @Maniac742
    @Maniac742 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't know if this is really the "good" ending or just the happy go lucky one. The "Hawk" ending where Blair is an admiral is still technically a "good" ending, it just has a more ominous tone to it.

    • @Tr1pleZero
      @Tr1pleZero  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's been a long time but iirc he replaces Tolwyn in that ending and takes over his little secret police force. I think they also talk about some pretty evil stuff in that cutscene ? But yeah, I guess it isnt technically bad, but pretty sad especially in contrast with this one.

    • @Maniac742
      @Maniac742 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Tr1pleZero Wish someone had the video for that.

  • @TehJumpingJawa
    @TehJumpingJawa ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @10:43 is that Chris Roberts acting?
    Anyone know what it is he's saying?!? 🤔

    • @Tr1pleZero
      @Tr1pleZero  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is indeed Chris Roberts and he says "And I couldn't go on"

    • @ThatDamnDoughboy
      @ThatDamnDoughboy 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      "And I couldn't go on!"

  • @Maupin001
    @Maupin001 7 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tolwyn: SELFPWN'D!

  • @TheShiningEnergy
    @TheShiningEnergy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i would have liked to see all choices on screen before he picked them.

    • @Tr1pleZero
      @Tr1pleZero  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had that idea too but I already replayed the mission 3 times because I fucked the recording. I didn't want to go again.

    • @TheShiningEnergy
      @TheShiningEnergy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Tr1pleZero oh, oof. That feel, man. i sympathize with you. it sucks having to do missions over again.

    • @UltimaKeyMaster
      @UltimaKeyMaster 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There's other longplays with the good ending that generally lets Mark's narration play out before picking them.

  • @andytay5507
    @andytay5507 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sure this isn't Sliders?😉

  • @stevencarrollscorpio
    @stevencarrollscorpio ปีที่แล้ว

    How did "I'm not a farmer" make it in here, I wonder.....😏😏😏😏