Absolutely not. Dr. Strange as a plot-device to justify this poor attempt to mimic _Into The Spider Verse_ , by itself, makes this movie unforgivable... This is just a cartoonish production made to capture audience through the psychological weakness of the crowd. Also a clear signal that MCU is undergoing to its creative declining phase, regardless of any financial factor that proves to be successful.
I loved that they didn't de-age Tobey and Andrew and let them have a life past their movies. Makes their experience more impactful for the MCU Peter Parker
@@thereisnocarolinHR For the ones that we watched yes I remember variants of the villains. Because To Andrew Garfield, electro is dead. It’s a different Electra
@@TheKristianHarloff I’m pretty sure all of the villains were the exact same characters from their respective movies. Even Electro was the same, he started out blue and changed his appearance after absorbing electricity. They all just came into the MCU right before the moment of their deaths.
@@MrGeoff-iv6re yes. I remember there was a scene, they specifically remembered fighting spidey and then, nothingness. They were discussing this right before teaming up.
My favorite small detail was in May’s death. The first thing she says after she gets hit is “ I just got knocked on my ass.” The first thing May says in Spiderman 2002 is to Ben“ be careful you’ll get knocked on your ass”. Ben tells her that he already is. The screenwriter in me knew her next line was gonna be about power and responsibly. Love the subtle nod that she was taking over the archetype of Ben. MJ waving at the Ned behind Peter was a nice callback to the MJ wave in 2002 as well.
I remember going to the Thursday night preview in IMAX, I got there early and so did another guy and we started talking about Spider-Man in general. When we were heading in, this random guy and I wound up having adjacent seating and we started talking about the PS4 game and how may does at the end. He was like "what if someone thought we were talking about the movie like thanks for spoiling it!" And we had a laugh. Then may died and I was like 😳 it WAS a spoiler...
Unfortunately Winston's theory on the MIT lady isn't correct. The Lady from Civil War was played by Alfre Woodard from Star Trek First Contact, completely different character
When May died, I almost cried. I fell it meant more to us as an audience since we’ve been with her for 3 movies now. But, when Spidey-Garfield saved MJ, I lost it. Just the look on his face , what an amazing job by Garfield
The Loki variant comparison is so true when you put it that way! I like how Andrew’s and Tobey’s entrances aligned with where their Peter variants are in life. Andrew’s is energetic, ready to go, in his costume. We later learn he spends more time as Spider-Man, no time for Peter stuff. Where as Tobey casually strolls through the portal. He’s kind, quirky, wise. He gave me the Steve from Blue’s Clues viral video vibes. Like his whole demeanor felt like a warm hug with the advice others needed to hear “You’re amazing!”🤣We later learn he has more balance and making it work with MJ. I got the feeling he’s kind of retired and doesn’t suit up unless necessary.
I just want to say a big thanks to Coy, Kristian, and Winston for a fantastic Spider-Man journey from the rewatch series all the way to this great spoiler review. Well done all around. 3 different perspectives and not once were you all disrespectful to each other’s point of views
I love that with this film, the "Homecoming" trilogy essentially becomes a reverse origin story for Spider-man; the inexperienced kid with powers being drawn in to a team with mentors showing him the way, but only now really coming into his own, finally getting the power and responsibility moment that had been lacking. That final swing at the end in a hand made costume to tell the world (and the audience) "I am Spider-MAN!" Tony Stark Jr is finally all grown up and finally his own man.
Also, whether intentional or not, I love that Matt Murdock's intro into the MCU is in a scene with Jon Favreau, who played Foggy Nelson in the 2003 Daredevil movie
Even though I loved seeing Tobey back and it put a big smile on my face, I was surprisingly more impressed with Andrew Garfield. I always said he was not the problem with those movies, I just didn’t like the writing for the character, but here you can tell he was so happy that he got a second chance to play this character and actually gave him good material. Hell even as someone who didn’t care when Gwen died in TASM2 (I know I’m heartless), I thought when he saved MJ was a great redemption arc for him and gave him closure and him making sure Holland’s Spidey didn’t go down the same path as him, same with Tobey once he stopped him from killing Green Goblin.
@@tomdevinney7280 Maybe make him the Spider-Man in their universe with Venom and Morbius, and don’t bring Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci back to help write the script 😂
love this take. it's weird cuz they're all essentially supposed to be peter parker but they came off more like brothers with the oldest and middle child watching over the youngest child. people were applauding when andrew and tobey were revealed but it also felt like people were applauding cuz you knew help was coming right after holland went through the ringer the scene right before. that and they vicariously redeemed themselves by stopping holland's spiderman from committing the same mistakes they made in their universes.
@@gcolbyp i'm pretty sure Morbius it's in the MCU because it has Vulture. But yeah I would love ir they put together Gardfield's Spiderman and Hardy's Venom. I would also enjoy a Spidergirl with May Parker with Maguire's Spiderman as her dad.
I love how all 3 are clearly Peter Parker, but each has their own twist on the things, AND they stay in their character of their respective movies. Send a note to LucasFilm, this is how you do it merge old with new
39:33 I’m genuinely impressed by how quickly you were able to address the villain plot holes 👏, you just fixed one of the few problems I had with the movie 🙏
I'm kind of surprised they didn't talk about how Eddie Brock is there when he doesn't know Spiderman or Peter, I know it's explained that the Symbiote has a Hive Mind across all universes so Venom subconsciously remembers Tobey's Spiderman, but that doesn't really go for Eddie, he's just a tagalong, it would've been funny if Venom just happened to be separated from Eddie when the spell blew up.
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 well venom is a symbiotic creature he can’t survive without a host I just see it as once he has a host they’re bonded until they’re somehow separated
This movie is by far my favorite movie of the year. I love how this movie is affectionately the origin story of Spider-Man and that all of the villains were sympathetic characters.
The rewatches provided so much entertainment over the past few months, thank you! Rewatching them all made No Way Home even better than it already was!
I'm commenting a bit late as I've just recently discovered this rewatch series, but this was one of the best movie theater experiences I've had in a long time. As someone who grew up with both Tobey and Andrew, and loved Tom's movies as well, this was like a love letter to the Spider-Man fan in me! Also, we can't talk about this movie and ignore that gorgeous shot with JJ talking on that big marquee right after Aunt May dies. I mean, that looked like that was pulled right out of a comic book.
So much I can say about this movie. To me, Uncle Ben had always been a part of Peter’s life in the MCU, but it was never dwelled upon like in previous iterations. People have to remember that when Holland’s was introduced, we were merely two years removed from Andrew Garfield’s version, where a major complaint was that they covered the origin AGAIN. I like that they took the “Incredible Hulk” approach, in that they alluded to the origin, without outright saying specifics. Any fan knows the origin. I thought his dialogue with Tony in “Civil War” was perfect. The complaint about Tom’s being so intrinsically connected other Avengers never sat well with me, because this was the third time we were seeing a new version of Spidey. I thought it made his era more unique among the others. If you’re gonna do this character again, why tread the same ground? But now in hindsight, it’s clear to see that the “Homecoming” trilogy can be seen as an extended origin story. Yes we know the parameters of Uncle Ben’s death, and how it motivates him to be a hero. But with each movie (as well as appearances in Avengers movies), we see him go from this wide-eyed, innocent kid wanting to be the best hero possible; to see him experience the tough reality of how it affects his life and relationships; culminating in him coming to the cruel realization that the people he loved will always be the ones who pay for his life as Spider-Man. So we see him progress and become the “traditional” Spider-Man that we know. We always associate the “With Great Power” with Uncle Ben. However for THIS version, while his death plays a role in Peter becoming a hero; it’s Aunt May’s death and her giving the mantra that results in Peter becoming SPIDER-MAN. Honestly, I thought it was extremely well done. He’s not separate from the MCU, but now he’s in a position where he can truly redefine his place within it. Perfect metaphor for transitioning from teenager to adult. Much like how we had to wait a decade for Steve to get his dance with Peggy, maybe we’ll have to wait and see Peter reunite with MJ. Can’t wait to see the movie again, and can’t wait to see where his version of the character goes within the MCU! Okay, rant over. Sorry lol. Can’t express how much I’ve loved y’all rewatching these movies. Great crew, great talks! Loving the channel. Looking forward to continuing with the Matrix with y’all.
I really related to what you said about the loss of your brother. The day I saw No Way Home, was the anniversary of my Grandpa’s death back in 2017. I’m an only child, Tobey’s and Andrew’s Spider-Man movies were both part of my childhood and it just felt like my childhood heroes coming back to give me a hug. I don’t care what Martin Scorsese says. Spider-Man is cinema and moments like that hug when they see Tom Holland suffering is a moment that will stay with me for a very long time.
I love the Stark Tech suits. Kinda bummed they’re gone. They were something different than what they did before. Especially the new suit in this (integrated suit when doc ock gives him back the nanobots )
For me, this is my favorite Spider-Man movie, barely edging out Homecoming because it delivered on an arc started in Civil War that I always knew they were going to get to. I let a lot of things slide in Homecoming (like him not swinging through skyscrapers, the Iron Man Jr. suit, being Tony's protege, etc.) because It was different but had the Spidey feel, and I always felt like they were going to lead up to him becoming the traditional, on his own Spider-Man eventually, and they delivered on that. I even predicted around Far From Home's release that a 3rd movie would end with him in a traditional homemade costume going out to stop a crime, and they did just that 😊
Kristian, I wanted to take a second to thank you for being so open about the loss of your brother. It's incredibly brave. I lost my brother back in August to cancer. He was only 39. I lost my dad back in October of 2020. Suffice to say, it's been a hell of a year. Your videos have been a tremendous source of enjoyment for me during a really tough time. What you do makes a big difference to a lot of us. Thank you for that and don't forget it. Happy new year and here's to 2022.
Saw Spider-Man No Way Home 3 times this weekend. Love this film. I love this trilogy!!! Thank you gentlemen for your insightful and thoughtful discussion. 🙂👍
Absolutely loved all the re watches, since I saw No Way Home first before the re watches ( sorry) I enjoyed listening to all of your theories evolve, and how you all picked a theory and it came true, but also some (Mophesto, which I initially thought when I saw the first trailer also, thanks to the wink) didn't. I loved No Way Home, and I cant wait to watch it again after seeing this, hope you keep doing the re watch, and keep posting to TH-cam. Also I really want to know where Coy gets all his spiderman shirts, I am seriously jealous of that wardrobe. Thanks for all you guys do, keep it rolling
Here is a question. So since Dr. Strange did a spell that everyone would forget about Peter Parker, is that just the Peter from the MCU or is it Peter from every universe? Imagine Toby and Andrew going back to their universes and no one knowing who they are?
I caught it the 2nd time I watched it. He specifically asked Dr Strange to have them forget about me right before Dr Strange started to cast it so The few that know about Andrew and Tobey still do
I need to see it again because I am confused by the final spell. The original spell was to make people forget that Spiderman is Peter Parker. So why didn’t they do that at the end? The new spell is that everyone just forgets who Peter Parker is. So MJ and Ned remember being on the bridge with Spiderman and the villains? It’s messy and unfortunately is keeping me from considering this movie GREAT.
Only the uneducated ones don’t know this or you’re just too delusional and not understand what’s really going on here. This movie is a 👎👎👎. Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in dr.strange own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange is way more powerful than Spider-Man. Also, Dr.Strange can make Spider-Man not escape or hold him in place without escaping or kill Spider-Man without even trying. Don’t y’all see what’s going on here? Kevin Feige is slowly nerfing marvel characters. He did it to hulk already and now it’s Dr. Strange turn.
@@Cpk86 Dr. Strange is super cocky and probably just thought well Peter is just a teen and was going easy on him. Plus Peter is a genius so it makes sense he used math to beat Stranges mirror universe spell. And we already saw Strange couldn't hold spiderman in place. his spidey sense reflexes kept dodging Strange from taking the box from him. That is the whole reason why Strange went to the mirror verse.
Sorry...forgot to thank you so so very much Kristian . You brought this whole thing together and, man. You 3 we're the perfect collection of different voices with different heights of fandom and love for the character. This has been real special for me. Spiderman, is my Rocky, or others Superman. I drew him so much a child, read every comic, watched the corney tv shows, and cartoons. And it all led to this. Thank you again Kristian. This was I highlight of this year for me. Had a ruff rough year ,and to have this to take my mind off of real life problems and smile. Thanks really means alot.
1:36:00 I think one of the best scenes in the movie that nobody is really talking about is when Tom Holland's Spiderman couldn't get the words to thank the other two Spidermen, and Andrew just stops and says, 'Peter' and Tobey says, 'We know, that's what we do.' And 3 of them have that hug. It was a closure moment for all 3.
I’ve always seen Wong as half sidekick half mentor. He plays the sidekick role but also plays the mentor role, and can very much stand alone. He’s multifaceted.
For the Ned magic. In the first doctor strange movie, Ancient One talks about how magic can be easier and come more natural for some than others. Yes, that doesn't diminish how much Strange had to study. Love the review, so many great points. Please have Winston and Coy back on! Keep up the awesome work.
@@rwicks1746 my guess is when he says in the movie “I just thought you’d be black” he’s talking about back in beginning of TASM2 when he didn’t know Peter was Spider-Man
Just watched the movie, the pandemic here in Brazil kept me out of the movie thearters, and I have to say you three made me like this movie even more. Thanks, guys!
This film demonstrates that MCU has been spoon-feeding us a Spider Man origin story all along: they just did it over 6 movies rather than one. The narrative role that Uncle Ben played as a first mentor/father and whose death sends Peter on the path of responsibility is divided among Tony Stark, Dr. Strange, Tobey's Peter, Garfield's Peter, and ultimately, Aunt May. It's pretty ingenious planning. In fact, there are a lot of narrative parallels between the Homecoming Trilogy to the Star Wars prequels (I am NOT comparing quality, just thematic/storyt structure) Homecoming - Phantom Menace: sets up main character and introduces a first lesson Far From Home - Attack of the Clones: develops main character and extends first lesson No Way Home - Revenge of the Sith: characters must make an culminating choice of great import that hammers that lesson home. Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame - Clone Wars: in-between development Which means the next MCU Spider Man trilogy has so many possibilities. Like Anakin Skywalker, we have broken Peter to down to his most basic components, taking everything away from him. He is now entirely alone. The next films have the opportunity to build him up again. PS. To Winston's quibble with Matt catching a brick, we live in a movie universe where an unaugmented Shang Chi trained by punching a wooden pole for decades. Matt Murdock can catch a brick in this universe XD.
Great review! Did anyone notice the amazing continuity from the Raimi films regarding Norman? When he is Norman he has fake teeth, when he is the Goblin he uses his real teeth. Loved the attention, love and care to this detail.
35:44 I see a lot of reactors/reviews making this connection and I don’t get where everyone is pulling that from. In Civil War, the woman in hallway scene by the elevator with Tony Stark is played by Alfre Woodard (on her IMDB the character’s name is Miriam) and she says “I work at the State Department in Human Resources. It’s boring but helped me save enough money to help my son go to school.” She specifically calls out where she works. The admissions officer in No Way Home is played by Paula Newsome (on IMDB the character has no name, just listed as MIT Assistant Vice Chancellor). They aren’t the same. It’s a completely different actress and character. I only point it out because I remember spotting Alfre Woodard in Civil War when I first saw it so I thought I missed her again here but nope it’s different.
i watched a ton of these spoiler reviews ... by far i learned so much more from your guys review than any others. you guys really brought the knowledge in this video, kudos!
Mcu Spider-Man was always Spider-Man to me. I never had problems with Peter Parker admiring Tony Stark, I loved their relationship. And I loved Peter working with the Avengers. I didn't need him being miserable. I loved Doctor Strange interacting with Peter, both Ditko creations being awesome on screen. No Way Home is an achievement, I adore the movie, but I'm heartbroken because Peter is alone and without a home.
This movie brings so much joy to my heart, but I did not expect to love Garfield as much as I do now. They all did an amazing job at being their own version of Spiderman
I cannot put into words how much I love this movie. And that exchange between Otto and Peter where’s he’s like “You’re all grown up! How are you?” It felt like he was talking to the audience that grew up with the Raimi films, too. And combined with the music? Perfection. Can’t wait to see what they’ve cooked up for the special features once the movie is released on blu ray.
@@tomdevinney7280 don't think garfield and maguire will do it since they only show up half way in the movie. Would they comment on scenes they are not in?
@@HannibalPOV probably wouldn’t do it but hearing the three of them converse about their experiences on all the Spider-Man sets would be an incredible commentary track I think
I really enjoyed how structured this conversation went, I enjoyed the banter between you and your friends, and I really enjoy the podcast feel to your channel and videos. Your sound quality is great. And I like how you break down your videos with time codes. Nice work, keep it up.
This movie was everything I dreamed of and more after walking out of Spider-Man 3 in 2007. I would’ve put my life savings on this never happening up until a couple years ago. The fact that this exists makes me think this could be the good timeline just yet.
All the great storylines...all the whiz-bang fighting...all the emotions... The image that sticks in my head is Garfield sticking one handed to the overhead when he arrived. He stuck, then just relaxed. You could see gravity work.
Great video guys!! I have never seen the Andrew Garfield films but I knew of what happened in them. Andrew saving MJ was my favorite part, his emotion after the save was unreal. I’m not a big Spider-Man guy but this was fantastic
This is the Endgame of Spider-man. It doesn’t have a happy ending, there’s real stakes, fan service done well, great setup, lots of resolution, and gives us the basis for a second trilogy with Spider-man truly on his own to figure things out and we get to see him grow without training wheels to keep him up or allies to fall back on.
idk if anyone brought this up but the way May said with great power comes great responsibility was she actually said with great power there must also come great responsibility which was how it was written at the end of the first Spider-Man Comic idk if that was done on purpose but it was a great detail
I get why they pulled further back from Ben and giving that significance to May, but a acknowledgement of him in the rooftop scene and/or seeing his gravestone would've been good. It's clear that Ben didn't serve the same role in the MCU as he did in the comics or in the Maguire and Garfield films, but he did exist. They obliquely reference him in 'Homecoming' when Peter tells Ned he doesn't want May to know he is Spider-Man because she'd already gone through a rough year. (The guys hitting on hot May because she's recently single also speaks to it.) And, in Far From Home, the suitcase with Ben's initials. The focus clearly needed to be on May and her relationship with Peter, but just owning that Ben was still there would've been nice. Maybe we'll see him in the 'Spider-Man: Freshman Year' series.
I have a theory. Before the pandemic the original schedule was for Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness was supposed to be released before Spiderman No Way Home. I think originally the Dr. Strange in this movie WAS supposed to have been the 'Evil' Dr. Strange from What If. I think once COVID hit and they were forced to flip flop the two releases th6ley basically had to re-write a lot of that plot point on the fly which is why some of the dialog is clunky with him and Peter and why stuff shown with him in the trailer (like the wink) was removed in the final cut. Granted I have little to no evidence on this but-- my Peter sense is tingling..... ✌🏾✌🏾
2 hour Discussion. Covering 11 movies worth of ideas and concepts (tobey 3, Andrew 2, tom 6) comic references, themes, future possibilities, influences, acting strengths, directing style choices, and so much more! Winston says one thing wrong. In 2 hours. Live to tape. 100+ comments about it. This is why he and I don’t PLAY in the schmoedown
@@TheKristianHarloff Reminds me of one of my favourite "Smallville" quotes from Clark Kent - "Heroes aren't allowed to make mistakes. Ever. At the very least, not when the world is watching".
I wish I could remember the line the other villains said when Defoe’s back is turned right before Peter has the tingle moment in the apartment, but whatever they said, that’s what triggered the goblin to resurface. Then when Peter discovers him, it really solidified that moment.
People actually forget that Kristian is an actual comedian both Schmoes. He had so many good punchlines And metaphors on this episode. P.S I also wanna say I’m so sorry for your loss my condolences to you and your family. K.H
I watched every modern-era Spider-Man movie leading up to my midnight screening of #NoWayHome and I can, without a shadow of a doubt say that it's 100% my favorite Spider-Man movie of all time!!!!
Was waiting for you the three of you to discuss this, helps get through work. This is one of those rare movies where I really want to get the blu ray and watch any deleted scenes they have, any more scenes between the three Peter's I would love to see. Of course also watching behind the scenes and just them on set would be cool to see. I know its awhile from now but would be cool to see you guys come back for Across the Spiderverse Part 1.
33:30 Gotta say, I really dislike when people say this movie “fixed” Peter Parker or the other Spider-Man movies like the creators regretted what they made or something... Coy sounded like one of those “Iron Boy jr.” people and I didn’t realize he seemed to feel about this way about the MCUs Spider-Man🙃 Also, I don’t think the reference to the “Iron Boy jr” joke in the movie wasn’t to acknowledge those fans and then saying “we got you” or whatever, I think it was to make fun of those people. 1:39:55 Also saying we finally have Spider-Man🙄 We HAVE HAD SPIDERMAN THE WHOLE TIME. Now he’s just the Spider-Man that we recognize the most. I’m not loving this “Tom Holland hasn’t been Spider-Man these past 5 years type of dialogue going on. Just feels like we are invalidating the other movies.
+Madison J. I agree wholeheartedly. I understand where people like Coy are coming from, due to reading the comics growing up. But, non comic book people? Hell no. I didn't mind the MCU going in a different direction with Tom Holland's Spider-Man from the start. At the end of NWH, Tom now a "traditional" Spider-Man made sense because of his character arc. Hell, the combination of the classic suit and the snow and the orchestral version of Holland's theme and the final swing made me proud to have witnessed this growth and appreciate what the previous two films accomplished.
My sister was sitting next to me and a screamed when Matt Murdock showed up and she asked who is was I told her just more perfect casting. Than I explain at the end. She said she would think about watching Daredevil over her school break. She's 22 and never watched the Netflix marvel series. I don't think she watch Disney+ either but she is doing 12 credits hours in college, working and had a social life. 🤷♀️
Great spoiler talk! I want to hear Ellis’ review now. Maybe he’s given one & I just haven’t seen it. I don’t know. I kinda lost track of you guys for awhile & now getting back into it, it’s like I’m missing a schmoe. 😂
Glad I finally got a chance to see no way home in Dolby Digisal. What an amazing theater experience, crowd was just as great as I remembered in End Game. Amazing movie, great review. Love seeing Kristian, Winston and Coy review it!
35:44 I saw you addressed this in the live chat, but I do like Winston’s idea that that is the same woman in Civil War. I know in Civil War it’s Alfre Woodard and in No Way Home it’s Paula Newsome, but there is nothing to say they aren’t playing the same person. In No Way Home she doesn’t have a name other than MIT Assistant Vice Chancellor, unless Flash says her name.
Another awesome Spiderman discussion. My favorite moment from watching No Way Home was the loud pop from the audience in the theater where I watched it a when Andrew and Tobey made their appearances as Spiderman.
Awesome film! I LOVED the ending. Watts addressed every concern and critique I had with Holland’s Spider-Man. Can’t wait to see what Marvel does with the next trilogy
DaFoe killed it as Goblin. In that fight in the hallways between him and Spider-Man, when Spider-Man is punching goblin and he smiles more every time he gets hit is a straight homage to Heath Ledgers Joker
I small think I liked was how when miles is dealing with Aaron's death in Spider verse he says "y'all wouldn't understand" and Gwen tells him "we're the only ones that do" and in this film when Andrew says "I have some idea of what" tom just cuts him off and says dont tell me you know what I'm going through and Andrew just says "ok". Idk it just stuck out to me how they handled it differently yet effectively
I really hope we get one movie for Tobey and Andrew again. I’d love to see Tobey as a mentor to Miles and I’d love to see Andrew be the Spider-Man again in the venom world!! Even if we don’t get that though I’m super happy with what we got!! Also shocked at those Spider-Man rankings but guess everyone’s got pretty different opinions on the breakdown of all the spidey films.
35:37 it’s one thing when a white guy thinks black people look alike, but cmon bro the MIT assistant vice chancellor is a completely different actress and character than the woman who lost her son that was in the hall talking to Tony Stark in Civil War.
In the end of it all Mysterio really was the ultimate villain to Tom’s Spider-Man. Had he never revealed Peter’s identity and falsely accused him of murder none of this would have happened
This was a great discussion. I second pretty much everything you guys talked about and you all explained a few things I didn't pick up on when seeing it. Afterwards, I kept thinking that Peter should've focused on trying to clear his name than going to Dr. Strange for that spell. The whole situation could've been avoided, but if he had done that, then there'd be no movie lol. This is definitely my favorite MCU movie of the year.
Ah yeah! I've been waiting for this since I saw the movie on Friday. This series of rewatches has been awesome. They're great companion pieces to the movies. Thanks for doing these. You guys rock.
Daredevil does have enhanced strength in the comics. It’s barely enough to catch that brick, but it is enough. The same chemicals which game him his senses also gave him reflexes and a little bit of raw power, including toughness.
I am glad you guys enjoyed the movie as much as I did, I can't wait to rewatch all the previous movies along with the rewatch and NWH after. Great convo :)
i went in the movie without watching one single trailer and to experience every single scene for the first time in the movie theater amazing 10/10 for me
@@TheKristianHarloff I agree with you 100% if I don’t respond to your other videos I want to wish you and your family a merry Christmas and a happy new year as well. Keep up the great work that you do by giving us awesome content to watch ✅
This film fulfilled a dream that I thought I would never live to see by seeing all 3 of these Spider-Men fighting a version of a Sinister Six (Five in this film). The first Spider-Man film with Tobey Maguire was the first film I ever saw in a movie theater when I was 6yrs old. And seeing a wise Tobey was really inspiring. I’ve been in a Spider-Man mood lately since life hasn’t been great lately so I’ve been going back and rewatching your guys rewatch videos on the Spider-Man films. Love what you do Kristian! Been a fan since I first saw you appear as a guest on AMC Movie Talk back in 2013-14 I think. Anyways, you rock Kristian and so do the people you have on your show. #WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility 🤘🏻🕸🕷
This movie is like hanging out with friends and just watching them truly try to get through life. So much love and friendship even Aunt May and Peter are family but like each other as as people, Peter and MJs love is built on friendship. Peter quickly try's to befriend everyone. Tom is the best at this. This is way Spiderman is our FRIENDLY neighborhood Spiderman. Warms my heart, I love that this came out at Christmas time.
I think Ned's ease at magic is explainable. First, the slingring portal is some base level magic, that's why in Dr. Strange its the first thing they teach him, they also explain its mental as well. Strange was a medical doctor for years, rigid, only one way to do things, strict, makes it hard to learn magic something existing in defiance of logic and reason. That's why Strange had the block, but once hurdled just destroys magic knowledge because now that he's accepting his skill and innate ability comes out. But for Ned, he's probably heard for years and years his grandma saying their family is magic and it's cute or whatever, but then his best friend becomes Spider-Man, then aliens become real, then he gets space magicked out of existence, then fights fake elementals made of drones, and then knows Dr Strange is real and can do magic, I feel all this makes him mentally much more compatible with doing magic, giving him a faster grasp on a base spell, it doesn't mean tomorrow he could use the time stone to defeat Dormammu or whatever. It's pretty reasonable honestly Also tell Winston not the same lady: Civil War is Alfre Woodard and NWH is Paula Newsome
@@TheKristianHarloff yeah, I didn't think it did, but it's more like how thought out the mcu is, like if you really peel back some layers they have thought out arcs and paths. It's just cool to see
I also wish Tobey’s Peter would’ve had more of a reaction to seeing Sandman again, Uncle Ben’s murderer. It’s almost like they wanted to look past that retcon or they thought better off to just leave it alone. But how cool would it have been for Tobey to tell Holland “my uncles killer is right there? and I forgave..” or something like that
Kristian, the thing about Ned being able to open portals is that Ned already believed in magic, due to what his nana had told him. Strange absolutely didn't believe in magic, and he believed that his "power" lived in his hands, which were broken. Strange had a harder time learning to wield magic because he was so psychologically opposed to the idea of it. Ned wasn't. I thought that was brilliantly handled.
My heart did sank when Tobey got stabbed. In my head I was going please don’t Solo or Luke Skywalker him. When he said it’s ok I’ve been stabbed before I was so relieved
Watched y'all back in the Collider days, and only just found out you're doing your own thing. This discussion made my day and only deepened my appreciation for the film - Thanks, guys!
Rewatching this video again, and something caught my attention. For Tom Holland's Peter, doesn't he refer to Ben in Civil War when he's referencing old movies and something about his uncle was into old movies?
That wasn't the same lady that talks to Tony in civil war. Unless it was the same character played by 2 different actors. Alfre Woodard was the mom in civil war
I love the straight up movie talk. The live show works for many people but I'm not one of them. Listened to your Matrix reviews, and subscribed back up. Then this review? This is what I'm talking about.
Thanks for this Rewatch series Kristian, it's been great. You guys definitely caught a lot more in "No Way Home" than I did. The one problem I have with this movie is that MJ and Ned no longer know who Peter is, essentially "One More Day"ing it. I thought that they would know Peter and Spider-Man as two separate entities, but them not knowing who Peter is is a bit much of a stretch for me. Were they no longer in the same classes at high school?? But MJ is still wearing the necklace that Peter got her during "Far From Home" in that last coffee shop scene - might be too much of a nit to pick - could be a continuity goof. I realise that .that Spider-Man has always been a tragedy,, but in this movie, he loses Aunt May, essentially his mother, his best friend, and the love of his life. (And maybe his Avengers membership??) This definitely felt to me like a modern day comic run coming to an end, where the current creative team clears the decks for the next team to pick up with a new Number 1 issue.
Pretty sure electro never found out Peter Parker was Spider-Man. As goblin (Harry) didn’t realise Peter Parker was Spider-Man until after the end fight with electro in which Harry arrives after electro is already defeated and then only finds out once he sees Gwen standing next to spiderman
You're 100% correct. I've theorized that Dr. Strange might've not realized that the botched spell didnt just transport anyone who knew Peter Parker was spiderman, but anyone who felt they knew Spiderman on a personal level. Because even though Max didnt know Spidermans name was Peter Parker, he still felt like Spiderman and him were best friends with each other.
The spoiler review I was waiting for, especially after all the rewatch videos. Saw NWH in IMAX experience and it was incredible. A comic book movie's comic book movie. I need to watch it a couple more times.
I loved this movie. The only thing that bothers me is that I think the whole reasoning for Peter & Aunt May wanting to cure the villains is kind of selfish. These villains are from different realities and them being there could potentially cause severe consequences in the universe as a whole. I was on Dr. Strange’s side… they just dealt with a reality/time altering event w/ Thanos in Endgame and now they’re doing the same thing bc Peter’s friend’s couldn’t get into college? I know Peter’s just a kid but you’d think after dealing with Thanos would give you more awareness of doing actions that could have universe-altering consequences. To me, it’s essentially Peter’s and May’s fault for all the bad stuff that happens in this movie…. Still love it though! But there are plot holes
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Spiderman 2 with doc ock number 1 spiderverse and this movie tie for 2nd
you guess didn't mention shuma gorath! lol
No, it's not. Its overhyped right now.
Outraged! Unnecessary! I come for the reviews, but I STAY for the ball-shaving segues!☺
Absolutely not.
Dr. Strange as a plot-device to justify this poor attempt to mimic _Into The Spider Verse_ , by itself, makes this movie unforgivable...
This is just a cartoonish production made to capture audience through the psychological weakness of the crowd.
Also a clear signal that MCU is undergoing to its creative declining phase, regardless of any financial factor that proves to be successful.
I loved that they didn't de-age Tobey and Andrew and let them have a life past their movies. Makes their experience more impactful for the MCU Peter Parker
Yeah, loved they were just older variants.
@@TheKristianHarloff I don’t know if variant is the right word. They were truly the Peter Parkers of the prior films.
@@thereisnocarolinHR For the ones that we watched yes I remember variants of the villains. Because To Andrew Garfield, electro is dead. It’s a different Electra
@@TheKristianHarloff I’m pretty sure all of the villains were the exact same characters from their respective movies. Even Electro was the same, he started out blue and changed his appearance after absorbing electricity. They all just came into the MCU right before the moment of their deaths.
@@MrGeoff-iv6re yes. I remember there was a scene, they specifically remembered fighting spidey and then, nothingness. They were discussing this right before teaming up.
My favorite small detail was in May’s death. The first thing she says after she gets hit is “ I just got knocked on my ass.” The first thing May says in Spiderman 2002 is to Ben“ be careful you’ll get knocked on your ass”. Ben tells her that he already is. The screenwriter in me knew her next line was gonna be about power and responsibly. Love the subtle nod that she was taking over the archetype of Ben.
MJ waving at the Ned behind Peter was a nice callback to the MJ wave in 2002 as well.
It was
Excellent catch, I missed this connection.
her delivery was amazing. she fooled me. i thought she was fine.
@@infinitepossibilities-anyt1488 agreeed!
I remember going to the Thursday night preview in IMAX, I got there early and so did another guy and we started talking about Spider-Man in general. When we were heading in, this random guy and I wound up having adjacent seating and we started talking about the PS4 game and how may does at the end. He was like "what if someone thought we were talking about the movie like thanks for spoiling it!" And we had a laugh.
Then may died and I was like 😳 it WAS a spoiler...
Unfortunately Winston's theory on the MIT lady isn't correct. The Lady from Civil War was played by Alfre Woodard from Star Trek First Contact, completely different character
Came here to say the same thing.
Yup
I’m glad he said it because if it was the other guys that would have been suspicious
Came here to point the same thing out I’m glad I wasn’t the one who had to break it to y’all #Schmoedown moment
I thought I had seen a different movie for a second or alzheimers was setting in...
When May died, I almost cried. I fell it meant more to us as an audience since we’ve been with her for 3 movies now. But, when
Spidey-Garfield saved MJ, I lost it. Just the look on his face , what an amazing job by Garfield
It was a heartbreaking moment for sure.
The Loki variant comparison is so true when you put it that way! I like how Andrew’s and Tobey’s entrances aligned with where their Peter variants are in life. Andrew’s is energetic, ready to go, in his costume. We later learn he spends more time as Spider-Man, no time for Peter stuff. Where as Tobey casually strolls through the portal. He’s kind, quirky, wise. He gave me the Steve from Blue’s Clues viral video vibes. Like his whole demeanor felt like a warm hug with the advice others needed to hear “You’re amazing!”🤣We later learn he has more balance and making it work with MJ. I got the feeling he’s kind of retired and doesn’t suit up unless necessary.
Exactly!
Spider-Man can’t just retire 😂 wtf n I’m pretty sure he’s always worn his costume under his casual clothing
I just want to say a big thanks to Coy, Kristian, and Winston for a fantastic Spider-Man journey from the rewatch series all the way to this great spoiler review. Well done all around. 3 different perspectives and not once were you all disrespectful to each other’s point of views
Our pleasure! Thank you!
I love that with this film, the "Homecoming" trilogy essentially becomes a reverse origin story for Spider-man; the inexperienced kid with powers being drawn in to a team with mentors showing him the way, but only now really coming into his own, finally getting the power and responsibility moment that had been lacking. That final swing at the end in a hand made costume to tell the world (and the audience) "I am Spider-MAN!" Tony Stark Jr is finally all grown up and finally his own man.
He is
Also, whether intentional or not, I love that Matt Murdock's intro into the MCU is in a scene with Jon Favreau, who played Foggy Nelson in the 2003 Daredevil movie
You raise an interesting prospect. Will a future Holland movie end with "I am Spider-man."
Like Tony Stark’s “Iam Iron-Man”
Even though I loved seeing Tobey back and it put a big smile on my face, I was surprisingly more impressed with Andrew Garfield. I always said he was not the problem with those movies, I just didn’t like the writing for the character, but here you can tell he was so happy that he got a second chance to play this character and actually gave him good material.
Hell even as someone who didn’t care when Gwen died in TASM2 (I know I’m heartless), I thought when he saved MJ was a great redemption arc for him and gave him closure and him making sure Holland’s Spidey didn’t go down the same path as him, same with Tobey once he stopped him from killing Green Goblin.
Was great having them all back
I feel this is what everyone’s saying. As someone who thinks Garfield is the best Spider-Man, I hope Sony jumps on these reactions and makes TASM3
@@tomdevinney7280 Maybe make him the Spider-Man in their universe with Venom and Morbius, and don’t bring Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci back to help write the script 😂
love this take. it's weird cuz they're all essentially supposed to be peter parker but they came off more like brothers with the oldest and middle child watching over the youngest child. people were applauding when andrew and tobey were revealed but it also felt like people were applauding cuz you knew help was coming right after holland went through the ringer the scene right before. that and they vicariously redeemed themselves by stopping holland's spiderman from committing the same mistakes they made in their universes.
@@gcolbyp i'm pretty sure Morbius it's in the MCU because it has Vulture. But yeah I would love ir they put together Gardfield's Spiderman and Hardy's Venom. I would also enjoy a Spidergirl with May Parker with Maguire's Spiderman as her dad.
Probably the best experience ive had at the movie cried, laughed, and amazed
Love to hear it!
What about Maguire reassuring Garfield that he is "amazing"? That was my favorite meta joke and a great moment.
That was great!
I love how all 3 are clearly Peter Parker, but each has their own twist on the things, AND they stay in their character of their respective movies. Send a note to LucasFilm, this is how you do it merge old with new
39:33 I’m genuinely impressed by how quickly you were able to address the villain plot holes 👏, you just fixed one of the few problems I had with the movie 🙏
Thank you!
I'm kind of surprised they didn't talk about how Eddie Brock is there when he doesn't know Spiderman or Peter, I know it's explained that the Symbiote has a Hive Mind across all universes so Venom subconsciously remembers Tobey's Spiderman, but that doesn't really go for Eddie, he's just a tagalong, it would've been funny if Venom just happened to be separated from Eddie when the spell blew up.
Yeah, definitely the Max Dillon/Jamie Foxx knowledge of Peter.
@@dontreadmyprofilepicture8817 well venom is a symbiotic creature he can’t survive without a host I just see it as once he has a host they’re bonded until they’re somehow separated
This movie is by far my favorite movie of the year. I love how this movie is affectionately the origin story of Spider-Man and that all of the villains were sympathetic characters.
So great
Been looking forward to this since Thursday. The rewatch and discussion series from you guys on the Spider-Man movies has been top notch
Thank you!
The rewatches provided so much entertainment over the past few months, thank you! Rewatching them all made No Way Home even better than it already was!
Loved that you dug them
I'm commenting a bit late as I've just recently discovered this rewatch series, but this was one of the best movie theater experiences I've had in a long time. As someone who grew up with both Tobey and Andrew, and loved Tom's movies as well, this was like a love letter to the Spider-Man fan in me!
Also, we can't talk about this movie and ignore that gorgeous shot with JJ talking on that big marquee right after Aunt May dies. I mean, that looked like that was pulled right out of a comic book.
I just saw it! What an experience. This movie makes me excited to see what Jon Watts does with Fantastic 4.
Oh absoultely!
So much I can say about this movie. To me, Uncle Ben had always been a part of Peter’s life in the MCU, but it was never dwelled upon like in previous iterations. People have to remember that when Holland’s was introduced, we were merely two years removed from Andrew Garfield’s version, where a major complaint was that they covered the origin AGAIN. I like that they took the “Incredible Hulk” approach, in that they alluded to the origin, without outright saying specifics. Any fan knows the origin. I thought his dialogue with Tony in “Civil War” was perfect. The complaint about Tom’s being so intrinsically connected other Avengers never sat well with me, because this was the third time we were seeing a new version of Spidey. I thought it made his era more unique among the others. If you’re gonna do this character again, why tread the same ground? But now in hindsight, it’s clear to see that the “Homecoming” trilogy can be seen as an extended origin story. Yes we know the parameters of Uncle Ben’s death, and how it motivates him to be a hero. But with each movie (as well as appearances in Avengers movies), we see him go from this wide-eyed, innocent kid wanting to be the best hero possible; to see him experience the tough reality of how it affects his life and relationships; culminating in him coming to the cruel realization that the people he loved will always be the ones who pay for his life as Spider-Man. So we see him progress and become the “traditional” Spider-Man that we know. We always associate the “With Great Power” with Uncle Ben. However for THIS version, while his death plays a role in Peter becoming a hero; it’s Aunt May’s death and her giving the mantra that results in Peter becoming SPIDER-MAN. Honestly, I thought it was extremely well done. He’s not separate from the MCU, but now he’s in a position where he can truly redefine his place within it. Perfect metaphor for transitioning from teenager to adult. Much like how we had to wait a decade for Steve to get his dance with Peggy, maybe we’ll have to wait and see Peter reunite with MJ. Can’t wait to see the movie again, and can’t wait to see where his version of the character goes within the MCU! Okay, rant over. Sorry lol. Can’t express how much I’ve loved y’all rewatching these movies. Great crew, great talks! Loving the channel. Looking forward to continuing with the Matrix with y’all.
Review for Matrix tomorrow!!
I really related to what you said about the loss of your brother. The day I saw No Way Home, was the anniversary of my Grandpa’s death back in 2017. I’m an only child, Tobey’s and Andrew’s Spider-Man movies were both part of my childhood and it just felt like my childhood heroes coming back to give me a hug. I don’t care what Martin Scorsese says. Spider-Man is cinema and moments like that hug when they see Tom Holland suffering is a moment that will stay with me for a very long time.
Same here, thank you for sharing and sorry for your loss.
+Coventry Terrier
Sorry for your loss.
How did I forget the roof scene??!!?? Yes, that moment too was so heart wrenching!!!!! 🥲😢
So much so
+TheFunkoFiend
Beautiful scene
I love the Stark Tech suits. Kinda bummed they’re gone. They were something different than what they did before. Especially the new suit in this (integrated suit when doc ock gives him back the nanobots )
I like the back to basics Spidey though
@@TheKristianHarloff love you Harloff. I respect that you reply! Ur the best man.
Saw the theory that stark tech doesn’t recognize Peter anymore that’s why he had to make his own suit
@@Wrecktar96 didn’t even think of that, good point
For me, Green Goblin and Andrew Garfield were the scene stealers!! Loved every frame of this movie. Some flat jokes here and there. Overall loved it!
Yup
Same!!
For me, this is my favorite Spider-Man movie, barely edging out Homecoming because it delivered on an arc started in Civil War that I always knew they were going to get to. I let a lot of things slide in Homecoming (like him not swinging through skyscrapers, the Iron Man Jr. suit, being Tony's protege, etc.) because It was different but had the Spidey feel, and I always felt like they were going to lead up to him becoming the traditional, on his own Spider-Man eventually, and they delivered on that.
I even predicted around Far From Home's release that a 3rd movie would end with him in a traditional homemade costume going out to stop a crime, and they did just that 😊
For sure!
Kristian, I wanted to take a second to thank you for being so open about the loss of your brother. It's incredibly brave.
I lost my brother back in August to cancer. He was only 39. I lost my dad back in October of 2020. Suffice to say, it's been a hell of a year.
Your videos have been a tremendous source of enjoyment for me during a really tough time. What you do makes a big difference to a lot of us. Thank you for that and don't forget it.
Happy new year and here's to 2022.
Shit man, so sorry for your losses and thank you for sharing with me. Very kind words and it means a lot. Thank you! Here is to a great 2022!
Saw Spider-Man No Way Home 3 times this weekend. Love this film. I love this trilogy!!! Thank you gentlemen for your insightful and thoughtful discussion. 🙂👍
Glad you enjoyed it!
Absolutely loved all the re watches, since I saw No Way Home first before the re watches ( sorry) I enjoyed listening to all of your theories evolve, and how you all picked a theory and it came true, but also some (Mophesto, which I initially thought when I saw the first trailer also, thanks to the wink) didn't. I loved No Way Home, and I cant wait to watch it again after seeing this, hope you keep doing the re watch, and keep posting to TH-cam. Also I really want to know where Coy gets all his spiderman shirts, I am seriously jealous of that wardrobe. Thanks for all you guys do, keep it rolling
Here is a question. So since Dr. Strange did a spell that everyone would forget about Peter Parker, is that just the Peter from the MCU or is it Peter from every universe? Imagine Toby and Andrew going back to their universes and no one knowing who they are?
I caught it the 2nd time I watched it. He specifically asked Dr Strange to have them forget about me right before Dr Strange started to cast it so The few that know about Andrew and Tobey still do
Pretty sure just him in that particular universe.
I need to see it again because I am confused by the final spell. The original spell was to make people forget that Spiderman is Peter Parker. So why didn’t they do that at the end? The new spell is that everyone just forgets who Peter Parker is. So MJ and Ned remember being on the bridge with Spiderman and the villains? It’s messy and unfortunately is keeping me from considering this movie GREAT.
Only the uneducated ones don’t know this or you’re just too delusional and not understand what’s really going on here. This movie is a 👎👎👎. Only in Kevin Feige’s dumb little mind that Spider-Man can beat Dr.Strange in dr.strange own dimension when we all really know that dr.strange is way more powerful than Spider-Man. Also, Dr.Strange can make Spider-Man not escape or hold him in place without escaping or kill Spider-Man without even trying. Don’t y’all see what’s going on here? Kevin Feige is slowly nerfing marvel characters. He did it to hulk already and now it’s Dr. Strange turn.
@@Cpk86 Dr. Strange is super cocky and probably just thought well Peter is just a teen and was going easy on him. Plus Peter is a genius so it makes sense he used math to beat Stranges mirror universe spell. And we already saw Strange couldn't hold spiderman in place. his spidey sense reflexes kept dodging Strange from taking the box from him. That is the whole reason why Strange went to the mirror verse.
Sorry...forgot to thank you so so very much Kristian . You brought this whole thing together and, man. You 3 we're the perfect collection of different voices with different heights of fandom and love for the character. This has been real special for me. Spiderman, is my Rocky, or others Superman. I drew him so much a child, read every comic, watched the corney tv shows, and cartoons. And it all led to this. Thank you again Kristian. This was I highlight of this year for me. Had a ruff rough year ,and to have this to take my mind off of real life problems and smile. Thanks really means alot.
And thank you for being with us for the ride!!
1:36:00 I think one of the best scenes in the movie that nobody is really talking about is when Tom Holland's Spiderman couldn't get the words to thank the other two Spidermen, and Andrew just stops and says, 'Peter' and Tobey says, 'We know, that's what we do.' And 3 of them have that hug. It was a closure moment for all 3.
It was a great moment
I’ve always seen Wong as half sidekick half mentor. He plays the sidekick role but also plays the mentor role, and can very much stand alone. He’s multifaceted.
For the Ned magic. In the first doctor strange movie, Ancient One talks about how magic can be easier and come more natural for some than others. Yes, that doesn't diminish how much Strange had to study. Love the review, so many great points. Please have Winston and Coy back on! Keep up the awesome work.
Love having them on!
Another thing. I think Electro knows his identity, didn't know his ethnicity. Harry doesn't tell him he's a white guy. I'll have to check.
@@rwicks1746 my guess is when he says in the movie “I just thought you’d be black” he’s talking about back in beginning of TASM2 when he didn’t know Peter was Spider-Man
@@tomdevinney7280 It works either way, he's never actually seen Peter until that moment.
Just watched the movie, the pandemic here in Brazil kept me out of the movie thearters, and I have to say you three made me like this movie even more. Thanks, guys!
Thanks!
This film demonstrates that MCU has been spoon-feeding us a Spider Man origin story all along: they just did it over 6 movies rather than one.
The narrative role that Uncle Ben played as a first mentor/father and whose death sends Peter on the path of responsibility is divided among Tony Stark, Dr. Strange, Tobey's Peter, Garfield's Peter, and ultimately, Aunt May. It's pretty ingenious planning.
In fact, there are a lot of narrative parallels between the Homecoming Trilogy to the Star Wars prequels (I am NOT comparing quality, just thematic/storyt structure)
Homecoming - Phantom Menace: sets up main character and introduces a first lesson
Far From Home - Attack of the Clones: develops main character and extends first lesson
No Way Home - Revenge of the Sith: characters must make an culminating choice of great import that hammers that lesson home.
Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame - Clone Wars: in-between development
Which means the next MCU Spider Man trilogy has so many possibilities. Like Anakin Skywalker, we have broken Peter to down to his most basic components, taking everything away from him. He is now entirely alone. The next films have the opportunity to build him up again.
PS. To Winston's quibble with Matt catching a brick, we live in a movie universe where an unaugmented Shang Chi trained by punching a wooden pole for decades. Matt Murdock can catch a brick in this universe XD.
I figured as much!
It’s truly unbelievable to see how everything came together with this last movie, it was incredible. I can’t believe how good this movie was
Great review! Did anyone notice the amazing continuity from the Raimi films regarding Norman? When he is Norman he has fake teeth, when he is the Goblin he uses his real teeth. Loved the attention, love and care to this detail.
Didn't realize that no, thanks for pointing it out!
35:44 I see a lot of reactors/reviews making this connection and I don’t get where everyone is pulling that from. In Civil War, the woman in hallway scene by the elevator with Tony Stark is played by Alfre Woodard (on her IMDB the character’s name is Miriam) and she says “I work at the State Department in Human Resources. It’s boring but helped me save enough money to help my son go to school.” She specifically calls out where she works. The admissions officer in No Way Home is played by Paula Newsome (on IMDB the character has no name, just listed as MIT Assistant Vice Chancellor). They aren’t the same. It’s a completely different actress and character. I only point it out because I remember spotting Alfre Woodard in Civil War when I first saw it so I thought I missed her again here but nope it’s different.
Yeah Winston was mistaken on that one, it happens!
i watched a ton of these spoiler reviews ... by far i learned so much more from your guys review than any others. you guys really brought the knowledge in this video, kudos!
Thank you!
Mcu Spider-Man was always Spider-Man to me. I never had problems with Peter Parker admiring Tony Stark, I loved their relationship. And I loved Peter working with the Avengers. I didn't need him being miserable. I loved Doctor Strange interacting with Peter, both Ditko creations being awesome on screen. No Way Home is an achievement, I adore the movie, but I'm heartbroken because Peter is alone and without a home.
Yeah definitely heartbreaking
This movie brings so much joy to my heart, but I did not expect to love Garfield as much as I do now. They all did an amazing job at being their own version of Spiderman
They really did
I cannot put into words how much I love this movie. And that exchange between Otto and Peter where’s he’s like “You’re all grown up! How are you?” It felt like he was talking to the audience that grew up with the Raimi films, too. And combined with the music? Perfection. Can’t wait to see what they’ve cooked up for the special features once the movie is released on blu ray.
Oh yeah
The greatest thing the blu ray could possibly give us is a commentary with Holland, Garfield and Maguire. Could you imagine?!
@@tomdevinney7280 don't think garfield and maguire will do it since they only show up half way in the movie. Would they comment on scenes they are not in?
@@HannibalPOV probably wouldn’t do it but hearing the three of them converse about their experiences on all the Spider-Man sets would be an incredible commentary track I think
I really enjoyed how structured this conversation went, I enjoyed the banter between you and your friends, and I really enjoy the podcast feel to your channel and videos. Your sound quality is great. And I like how you break down your videos with time codes. Nice work, keep it up.
Thank you!!
This movie was everything I dreamed of and more after walking out of Spider-Man 3 in 2007. I would’ve put my life savings on this never happening up until a couple years ago. The fact that this exists makes me think this could be the good timeline just yet.
Totally agree
All the great storylines...all the whiz-bang fighting...all the emotions... The image that sticks in my head is Garfield sticking one handed to the overhead when he arrived. He stuck, then just relaxed. You could see gravity work.
Well said!
Great video guys!! I have never seen the Andrew Garfield films but I knew of what happened in them. Andrew saving MJ was my favorite part, his emotion after the save was unreal. I’m not a big Spider-Man guy but this was fantastic
We did a rewatch of the whole series! If you have a chance to see the movies, check them out!
This was great!! Exactly what I was looking for. The review was organized and entertaining! Keep up the great work!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is the Endgame of Spider-man. It doesn’t have a happy ending, there’s real stakes, fan service done well, great setup, lots of resolution, and gives us the basis for a second trilogy with Spider-man truly on his own to figure things out and we get to see him grow without training wheels to keep him up or allies to fall back on.
100 percent
idk if anyone brought this up but the way May said with great power comes great responsibility was she actually said with great power there must also come great responsibility which was how it was written at the end of the first Spider-Man Comic idk if that was done on purpose but it was a great detail
Seeing J.K. Simmons as J. Jonah Jameson was great! It's too bad that Jameson didn't have any scenes with Tobey Maguire's Peter Parker/Spider-Man!
Yeah wanted to see that.
I get why they pulled further back from Ben and giving that significance to May, but a acknowledgement of him in the rooftop scene and/or seeing his gravestone would've been good. It's clear that Ben didn't serve the same role in the MCU as he did in the comics or in the Maguire and Garfield films, but he did exist. They obliquely reference him in 'Homecoming' when Peter tells Ned he doesn't want May to know he is Spider-Man because she'd already gone through a rough year. (The guys hitting on hot May because she's recently single also speaks to it.) And, in Far From Home, the suitcase with Ben's initials. The focus clearly needed to be on May and her relationship with Peter, but just owning that Ben was still there would've been nice. Maybe we'll see him in the 'Spider-Man: Freshman Year' series.
Ah yeah good call
I have a theory.
Before the pandemic the original schedule was for Dr. Strange Multiverse of Madness was supposed to be released before Spiderman No Way Home.
I think originally the Dr. Strange in this movie WAS supposed to have been the 'Evil' Dr. Strange from What If.
I think once COVID hit and they were forced to flip flop the two releases th6ley basically had to re-write a lot of that plot point on the fly which is why some of the dialog is clunky with him and Peter and why stuff shown with him in the trailer (like the wink) was removed in the final cut.
Granted I have little to no evidence on this but-- my Peter sense is tingling..... ✌🏾✌🏾
Love these theories!
Oh man what a great series review you guys did. I love these long breakdowns.
Thanks for getting us thru our days.
Our pleasure! Thank you!
2 hour Discussion. Covering 11 movies worth of ideas and concepts (tobey 3, Andrew 2, tom 6) comic references, themes, future possibilities, influences, acting strengths, directing style choices, and so much more!
Winston says one thing wrong. In 2 hours. Live to tape.
100+ comments about it.
This is why he and I don’t PLAY in the schmoedown
We aren't allowed to make mistakes Coy haha
@@TheKristianHarloff Reminds me of one of my favourite "Smallville" quotes from Clark Kent - "Heroes aren't allowed to make mistakes. Ever. At the very least, not when the world is watching".
I wish I could remember the line the other villains said when Defoe’s back is turned right before Peter has the tingle moment in the apartment, but whatever they said, that’s what triggered the goblin to resurface. Then when Peter discovers him, it really solidified that moment.
I need to watch it again!
I dont think this will be the last time we see Tobey and Andrew. Remember when Tom gave them that hug, he told them "I guess I'll see ya".
Hope not
People actually forget that Kristian is an actual comedian both Schmoes. He had so many good punchlines And metaphors on this episode.
P.S I also wanna say I’m so sorry for your loss my condolences to you and your family. K.H
Thank you for that and yes I have actually been getting up on stage more as well.
I watched every modern-era Spider-Man movie leading up to my midnight screening of #NoWayHome and I can, without a shadow of a doubt say that it's 100% my favorite Spider-Man movie of all time!!!!
It really is a special one
Was waiting for you the three of you to discuss this, helps get through work. This is one of those rare movies where I really want to get the blu ray and watch any deleted scenes they have, any more scenes between the three Peter's I would love to see. Of course also watching behind the scenes and just them on set would be cool to see. I know its awhile from now but would be cool to see you guys come back for Across the Spiderverse Part 1.
Oh we will and Batman!
33:30 Gotta say, I really dislike when people say this movie “fixed” Peter Parker or the other Spider-Man movies like the creators regretted what they made or something... Coy sounded like one of those “Iron Boy jr.” people and I didn’t realize he seemed to feel about this way about the MCUs Spider-Man🙃 Also, I don’t think the reference to the “Iron Boy jr” joke in the movie wasn’t to acknowledge those fans and then saying “we got you” or whatever, I think it was to make fun of those people.
1:39:55 Also saying we finally have Spider-Man🙄 We HAVE HAD SPIDERMAN THE WHOLE TIME. Now he’s just the Spider-Man that we recognize the most. I’m not loving this “Tom Holland hasn’t been Spider-Man these past 5 years type of dialogue going on. Just feels like we are invalidating the other movies.
Fair enough!
+Madison J.
I agree wholeheartedly.
I understand where people like Coy are coming from, due to reading the comics growing up.
But, non comic book people? Hell no.
I didn't mind the MCU going in a different direction with Tom Holland's Spider-Man from the start.
At the end of NWH, Tom now a "traditional" Spider-Man made sense because of his character arc.
Hell, the combination of the classic suit and the snow and the orchestral version of Holland's theme and the final swing made me proud to have witnessed this growth and appreciate what the previous two films accomplished.
My sister was sitting next to me and a screamed when Matt Murdock showed up and she asked who is was I told her just more perfect casting. Than I explain at the end. She said she would think about watching Daredevil over her school break. She's 22 and never watched the Netflix marvel series. I don't think she watch Disney+ either but she is doing 12 credits hours in college, working and had a social life. 🤷♀️
Love it
Great spoiler talk! I want to hear Ellis’ review now. Maybe he’s given one & I just haven’t seen it. I don’t know. I kinda lost track of you guys for awhile & now getting back into it, it’s like I’m missing a schmoe. 😂
Mark is on Big Thing often. More next year for sure!
Glad I finally got a chance to see no way home in Dolby Digisal. What an amazing theater experience, crowd was just as great as I remembered in End Game. Amazing movie, great review. Love seeing Kristian, Winston and Coy review it!
Thanks Greg!
35:44 I saw you addressed this in the live chat, but I do like Winston’s idea that that is the same woman in Civil War. I know in Civil War it’s Alfre Woodard and in No Way Home it’s Paula Newsome, but there is nothing to say they aren’t playing the same person. In No Way Home she doesn’t have a name other than MIT Assistant Vice Chancellor, unless Flash says her name.
Yeah def different actresses.
Indeed, but they have swapped out actors before, so Winston’s theory could still stand. It’s a good idea 👍🏼
It's not the same character.
Dude why did you even message that I you didn’t read the whole comment? 🤦🏻♂️
Another awesome Spiderman discussion. My favorite moment from watching No Way Home was the loud pop from the audience in the theater where I watched it a when Andrew and Tobey made their appearances as Spiderman.
How fun is that?!
@@TheKristianHarloff It was nice hearing those big crowd reactions again.
Awesome film! I LOVED the ending. Watts addressed every concern and critique I had with Holland’s Spider-Man. Can’t wait to see what Marvel does with the next trilogy
Can't wait!
DaFoe killed it as Goblin. In that fight in the hallways between him and Spider-Man, when Spider-Man is punching goblin and he smiles more every time he gets hit is a straight homage to Heath Ledgers Joker
He was GREAT!
Fucking ready for this discussion. Gonna be my workout listen 🎧
Awesome!
I small think I liked was how when miles is dealing with Aaron's death in Spider verse he says "y'all wouldn't understand" and Gwen tells him "we're the only ones that do" and in this film when Andrew says "I have some idea of what" tom just cuts him off and says dont tell me you know what I'm going through and Andrew just says "ok". Idk it just stuck out to me how they handled it differently yet effectively
True
I really hope we get one movie for Tobey and Andrew again. I’d love to see Tobey as a mentor to Miles and I’d love to see Andrew be the Spider-Man again in the venom world!! Even if we don’t get that though I’m super happy with what we got!! Also shocked at those Spider-Man rankings but guess everyone’s got pretty different opinions on the breakdown of all the spidey films.
Same! Sony would make $$$$$ if they did two separate movies.
the MIT recruiter was not the woman from Civil War that was actress Alfre Woodward the MIT woman on the highway was Paula Newsome
Correct
35:37 it’s one thing when a white guy thinks black people look alike, but cmon bro the MIT assistant vice chancellor is a completely different actress and character than the woman who lost her son that was in the hall talking to Tony Stark in Civil War.
Could have also been that they are same character but hey brainfarts happen man. Cut Winston some slack!
@@TheKristianHarloff wrong again
In the end of it all Mysterio really was the ultimate villain to Tom’s Spider-Man. Had he never revealed Peter’s identity and falsely accused him of murder none of this would have happened
He really was and the only one who was legit a villain
This was a great discussion. I second pretty much everything you guys talked about and you all explained a few things I didn't pick up on when seeing it. Afterwards, I kept thinking that Peter should've focused on trying to clear his name than going to Dr. Strange for that spell. The whole situation could've been avoided, but if he had done that, then there'd be no movie lol. This is definitely my favorite MCU movie of the year.
Thank you Chris!
Ah yeah! I've been waiting for this since I saw the movie on Friday. This series of rewatches has been awesome. They're great companion pieces to the movies. Thanks for doing these. You guys rock.
Glad you like them!
What an awesome conversation about this movie. You guys are the best! Really enjoyed that.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Daredevil does have enhanced strength in the comics. It’s barely enough to catch that brick, but it is enough. The same chemicals which game him his senses also gave him reflexes and a little bit of raw power, including toughness.
I am glad you guys enjoyed the movie as much as I did, I can't wait to rewatch all the previous movies along with the rewatch and NWH after. Great convo :)
Same here!
i went in the movie without watching one single trailer and to experience every single scene for the first time in the movie theater amazing 10/10 for me
Jealous!
I saw it twice this week and it gets better every time can’t wait to hear all of you guys talk about the movie
This is a fun ep!
@@TheKristianHarloff I agree with you 100% if I don’t respond to your other videos I want to wish you and your family a merry Christmas and a happy new year as well. Keep up the great work that you do by giving us awesome content to watch ✅
Nice transition to your advertisement. God bless you man lover. Good review too
Thank you!
I really enjoyed your entire conversation. It’s always great to talk about what we like and don’t like about a movie.
Happy to hear it! Thank you!
Glad to hear Coy enjoyed Tobey Maguire in this movie, he took so many jabs at him during the rewatch series I was sure he was going to hate him
Hard to hate him in this one!
Love this crew together you guys just vibe so well I hope you do it more
We will, full Batman rewatch in 2022
This film fulfilled a dream that I thought I would never live to see by seeing all 3 of these Spider-Men fighting a version of a Sinister Six (Five in this film). The first Spider-Man film with Tobey Maguire was the first film I ever saw in a movie theater when I was 6yrs old. And seeing a wise Tobey was really inspiring. I’ve been in a Spider-Man mood lately since life hasn’t been great lately so I’ve been going back and rewatching your guys rewatch videos on the Spider-Man films. Love what you do Kristian! Been a fan since I first saw you appear as a guest on AMC Movie Talk back in 2013-14 I think. Anyways, you rock Kristian and so do the people you have on your show. #WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility 🤘🏻🕸🕷
Thank you Chris and I hope that you have a better week my friend. We will be here trying to give you the laughs.
This movie is like hanging out with friends and just watching them truly try to get through life. So much love and friendship even Aunt May and Peter are family but like each other as as people, Peter and MJs love is built on friendship. Peter quickly try's to befriend everyone. Tom is the best at this. This is way Spiderman is our FRIENDLY neighborhood Spiderman. Warms my heart, I love that this came out at Christmas time.
Really is!
I think Ned's ease at magic is explainable. First, the slingring portal is some base level magic, that's why in Dr. Strange its the first thing they teach him, they also explain its mental as well. Strange was a medical doctor for years, rigid, only one way to do things, strict, makes it hard to learn magic something existing in defiance of logic and reason. That's why Strange had the block, but once hurdled just destroys magic knowledge because now that he's accepting his skill and innate ability comes out. But for Ned, he's probably heard for years and years his grandma saying their family is magic and it's cute or whatever, but then his best friend becomes Spider-Man, then aliens become real, then he gets space magicked out of existence, then fights fake elementals made of drones, and then knows Dr Strange is real and can do magic, I feel all this makes him mentally much more compatible with doing magic, giving him a faster grasp on a base spell, it doesn't mean tomorrow he could use the time stone to defeat Dormammu or whatever. It's pretty reasonable honestly
Also tell Winston not the same lady: Civil War is Alfre Woodard and NWH is Paula Newsome
Didn't ruin it for me.
@@TheKristianHarloff yeah, I didn't think it did, but it's more like how thought out the mcu is, like if you really peel back some layers they have thought out arcs and paths. It's just cool to see
What a joy to watch this review. Thanks Kristian, Winston, and Coy!
Thank you!
I also wish Tobey’s Peter would’ve had more of a reaction to seeing Sandman again, Uncle Ben’s murderer. It’s almost like they wanted to look past that retcon or they thought better off to just leave it alone. But how cool would it have been for Tobey to tell Holland “my uncles killer is right there? and I forgave..” or something like that
Worked for me
Kristian, the thing about Ned being able to open portals is that Ned already believed in magic, due to what his nana had told him. Strange absolutely didn't believe in magic, and he believed that his "power" lived in his hands, which were broken. Strange had a harder time learning to wield magic because he was so psychologically opposed to the idea of it. Ned wasn't. I thought that was brilliantly handled.
Hey fair enough!
My heart did sank when Tobey got stabbed. In my head I was going please don’t Solo or Luke Skywalker him. When he said it’s ok I’ve been stabbed before I was so relieved
Yeah we need another movie w him
Man, this was so much fun with the re watches to the new movie review. Great work guys. Thank you, Kristian. 👏🏽
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you!
Watched y'all back in the Collider days, and only just found out you're doing your own thing. This discussion made my day and only deepened my appreciation for the film - Thanks, guys!
Thank you! Please check this out in podcast form, BIG THING and SITH COUNCIL. Glad you found us!
Rewatching this video again, and something caught my attention. For Tom Holland's Peter, doesn't he refer to Ben in Civil War when he's referencing old movies and something about his uncle was into old movies?
Daredevil could easily catch a brick using his radar sense, which these guys seem to be completely unaware of??
These guys?! Heyyyyuyuyyyeyeye. you are right. (Burps)
You guy's are a joy to hear/watch... I haven't been this invested since Double toasted...
That is a GREAT compliment.
That wasn't the same lady that talks to Tony in civil war. Unless it was the same character played by 2 different actors. Alfre Woodard was the mom in civil war
Haha yep, trust me we are all VERY aware at this point haha
I love the straight up movie talk. The live show works for many people but I'm not one of them. Listened to your Matrix reviews, and subscribed back up. Then this review? This is what I'm talking about.
Thank you, yeah just take a look at Big Thing playlist, easily the best show I have ever been a part of
Thanks for this Rewatch series Kristian, it's been great. You guys definitely caught a lot more in "No Way Home" than I did.
The one problem I have with this movie is that MJ and Ned no longer know who Peter is, essentially "One More Day"ing it. I thought that they would know Peter and Spider-Man as two separate entities, but them not knowing who Peter is is a bit much of a stretch for me. Were they no longer in the same classes at high school??
But MJ is still wearing the necklace that Peter got her during "Far From Home" in that last coffee shop scene - might be too much of a nit to pick - could be a continuity goof.
I realise that .that Spider-Man has always been a tragedy,, but in this movie, he loses Aunt May, essentially his mother, his best friend, and the love of his life. (And maybe his Avengers membership??)
This definitely felt to me like a modern day comic run coming to an end, where the current creative team clears the decks for the next team to pick up with a new Number 1 issue.
Great points!
Pretty sure electro never found out Peter Parker was Spider-Man. As goblin (Harry) didn’t realise Peter Parker was Spider-Man until after the end fight with electro in which Harry arrives after electro is already defeated and then only finds out once he sees Gwen standing next to spiderman
You're 100% correct. I've theorized that Dr. Strange might've not realized that the botched spell didnt just transport anyone who knew Peter Parker was spiderman, but anyone who felt they knew Spiderman on a personal level. Because even though Max didnt know Spidermans name was Peter Parker, he still felt like Spiderman and him were best friends with each other.
Hmmmm, maybe a different Electro then?
The spoiler review I was waiting for, especially after all the rewatch videos. Saw NWH in IMAX experience and it was incredible. A comic book movie's comic book movie. I need to watch it a couple more times.
Thank you!
I used to do sidewalk demolitions and plant sidewalk trees. I could catch a brick. Daredevil could definitely catch a brick with both eyes closed.
Facts
I loved this movie. The only thing that bothers me is that I think the whole reasoning for Peter & Aunt May wanting to cure the villains is kind of selfish. These villains are from different realities and them being there could potentially cause severe consequences in the universe as a whole. I was on Dr. Strange’s side… they just dealt with a reality/time altering event w/ Thanos in Endgame and now they’re doing the same thing bc Peter’s friend’s couldn’t get into college? I know Peter’s just a kid but you’d think after dealing with Thanos would give you more awareness of doing actions that could have universe-altering consequences. To me, it’s essentially Peter’s and May’s fault for all the bad stuff that happens in this movie…. Still love it though! But there are plot holes
Well I was cool with it because they really just saved these particular variants in order to save their lives.