SPECIALIZED LEVO GEN 3 RANGE TEST - How Far Did I Get?
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I this video we ride the new Specialized Levo Gen 3 until it runs out of Batteries... very fun long ride.
I hope you like it
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Thanks for the hard work on the range test... looking forward to the Trek review!
You and me both, I love the Geo on the Trek... I'm looking forward to having a play on that bike
Really great video Sam. Appreciate how you are setting out to produce "real world" information on this range test. As we all know everyone's experience is different, depending on their fitness, the terrain, etc, but I think this is a great guide. I ride the Gen 2 levo, which I love, however it's nice to see your experiences with the Gen 3. I would certainly appreciate the mullet setup with the tighter geometry, however might wait a little bit before changing :) Thanks once again. Richie
Hey mate I really appreciate the kind words this videos take so long to make so I really appreciate it. I think you’ll definitely love the new geometry but totally understand hold out a little bit until the cheaper models come out.
FairPlay that’s a very good video you’ve done. Very interesting and informative. thanks.
Thanks mate
Randomly came across this video and funnily enough I actually rode past you that day! A black epic at the bottom of the wall by the golf course! Small world!
Hahaha how funny! If you see me again let’s ride in Pardo
Gran test Sam, gracias 🤙
Sam, Sawadeekap from Thailand. Thanks so much for the informative video! Lookin forward to having a cold one when I arrive in Madrid next week. JG
Hey John glad you enjoyed it! See you next week
Well done Sam, great video as per usual! I would love to see you range test the decoy, would be really interesting to see how it performs against the ep8
Those concept shoes look awesome as well as those sunglasses 😎
Thank you for testing!!
Brilliant Video, It helped me make a choice on the next bike, I was looking at the Mondraker Crafty Carbon SL, but I just like the look and better features on the Levo Turbo and you run did about 50 miles which is pritty good for a 700 battery.
Glad I could help Steve its a hard job but someone has to do it!
Thanks for the effort Bro, well done. Being a fossil and ex MX rider, these things still keep my juices flowing. I still love my MX bikes, but twenty minutes on my YZ and I have horrendous arm pump that will last the rest of the day. Like seriously I cant even pick up a beer. I am 60 and fit but that's life. Doing your suspension isn't the black art it use to be. But you can really stuff up a bike if you don't know what your doing. It would take an hour to explain the ins and outs of it. Sag is the first base on any suspension and they wont work for you without that done first, so maybe a three part series on it with someone who really knows how its done would be excellent. Not just the set up, but maintenance and knowing when you've blown a seal so forth would help as well.
Hey mate dude have you ridden a GOOD ebike? defo get on one you will love it make sure you get some good good brakes on them! Thanks for the tips I do know what I'm doing on Suspenion it just takes me time and I find it takes me a few weeks for a few reasons. I dont start pushing the bike really hard for a few weeks and then I really start tuning no point tuning for 80%
@@SamsBikes Base Levo and luv it. Sorry it wasn't really aimed at you. I've watched a lot of reviews. So many are all about the motor, and so many more about modding this and that. One like you say is brakes. You can spend a lot changing callipers. Or you can try out different pads cheaply instead. Most times you'll get the feel your looking for. Same goes for suspension. Air shocks being so much easier then coils. My life has been racing, instructing and licensing, and even though old and broken I'm not prepared to give it up yet. Just see every day guys throwing good cash at things that wont make a difference to them on the bike. It's already there, they're just not utilising it. Seats, tyres and bar bends are very personal and can go a long way to helping you get the best out of you. Mostly the rest is just bling for mine. Specially if your not doing comps.
I do love the Ebikes. I find them very ... organic to ride, great for balance disciplines and focus. But I get my dirties for dealer cost so it makes it hard to upgrade the Levo. Even though only after to years it's pretty trashed
Nice one Sam. When we get out the other side of the pandemic you should come on over for a Squamish Whistler Pemberton trip!!
Thanks bro defo that sounds amazing
Great video Sam. Impressive stats 👍
Thanks mate
Nice one same. I recently did 65kms, 900m Vertical on my Turbo Levo 700w Battery in the Flinders Rangers and I am about 145-150kilos Rider and Bike! So it was a work out :)
Nice Rob thats a great effort I hope you have a few Pales at the end!
Awesome as always Sam! Sucks that Specialized doesn't want Gen 2 Levos to be able to use the Mastermind. I've seen folks already retrofit into a Gen 2 with no issues so it looks like with a new software update (hard to call it an update more like a back date). I really hope they change this. You should install it on your Levo SL and report back!
Thanks mare it was a long day on the bike! Yea let’s see what happens.
Awesome video man - great to get some many real world figures compared! Nice one!
Thanks champ I think it’s interesting because range is so important
@@SamsBikes Absolutely man! Main reason I got a emtb was so I could go further and higher... if you’re climbing 5000ft in a day and doing 60 off road miles, that’s amazing! That’s what ebikes are all about. As we say in Scotland, you’d be knackered, but cheesin \m/ :-)
Cheesin means smiling excessively- think it’s a colloquial thing :-)
great vidéo, for it's informational content
Thanks mate I’m Aussie married to my Spanish wife!
Good report and test, You ought to get out to Dubai and try the Levo SL and full fat versions at the Hatta trails in the mountains.
The are where you go looks great for all year round fun
Sounds rad you live out? Defo i need to do that
That Trek bike looks very good 👍
Also good to see tire control. I feel that my bike’s power delivery is hugely affected by tires. The big eddie 2.8 is a great tire but as soon as I start to climb the motor noticeably struggles compared to a lighter tire.
Yea mate I kinda think 2.6 is the sweet spot. I’ve gone to 2.4 on the Levo for now but I’ll change back to 2.6 I think
@@SamsBikes this is super true.. tire compound and pressure plays a big role in range... i have the canyon spectral and just changed out my rear to the E wild enduro michellins... great tire... but i cant seem to get traction on some climbs sometimes.. but that also has to do with 30 psi that Im running.. also I think cush core is a must on e bikes especially for the rear. One of the most common problems are rear wheel/hub issues due to the weight of the bike. cush core mitigates some of these problems..
First of all, super nice video again! Thanks for all your effort and the great information. If you could dig in to the shock topic a bit more this could be quite interesting. But anyways one short question, how does it compare to the Levo SL, not battery wise but more for the downhill part? I was quite impressed with the SL while the regular Levo at least the 2017 model felt more like a boat going down the slopes.
Thanks mate its loads of works so your words are really Appreciated!!!! Ok if I'm riding on my own for fun I grab the SL 100% of the time. For me its just a super fun bike and I just love it. But if I'm wanting to do some big rides in the big mountains with full powered ebikes I'll grab the Levo. But the new Levo is by far the best full powered ebike from Specialized maybe check out my new POV Video in the Low setting its wild !
You sure like to suffer for your work!!👍 looking forward to the review and range test of your Trek (EWSE race bike😜) as its a bike I'm interested in although coming from a 27.5 I'm not sure about losing the agility on the 29er🤔
To be honest I will between the Rail and the Levo for the race bike!
Love your channel Sam great content as always. I got a question completely off topic.
Are you aware of Mr Wolf smartmousse tyre inserts.
They’re made in Italy. I’m trying to purchase them but they don’t list Australia as a country of origin. I was hoping you could help a fellow rider. Cheers in advance
Great test, have u done any testing on the ktm prowler?
Hey Sam, great job on testing. How did you like the geo compared to the mullet YT Decoy? Last time I rode a Specialized bike I thought the stand over was to high and I could never get that seat out of my way when slammed all the way down. I'm hoping they have changed that feeling by now?
Hey Joe the geo is pretty similar to the decoy mullet and the stand over is similar as well. I dropped the rear geo today to the low and 64% at the front the bike rails. Really really fun bike to ride.
Great review! Thank you. Beginner here. I will test ride next week and a Levo Expert is on hold for me. For the Expert, anything you think might need upgrading? Brakes for example? Also I weigh 70kg and my FTP is 3.5 w/kg (I'm old...) so do you think I can get a bit more range and climb out of the bike than the numbers you have posted? I ask is because I prefer to ride to the trails and living in a city center that will mean maybe 20 or 30 kms just to get to the base of the trails. I guess I can either no use any e-power or at minimum maybe 10% boost?
Thanks mate, if I’m honest the bike is 100% fine stock just ride it for a month before doing anything, and yes if you use micro tune you can get a lot more range out of the battery. It’s a balance between how much you do and the motor. Thanks 🙏 enjoy
What’s up Sam! Love the channel. Just picked up my 2022 Levo Expert yesterday and wondered what your thoughts are about an air shaft upgrade to 170mm? I currently ride a very plush Capra Elite with 170/170 and coil. My plan is to ride everything with the Levo..drops, jumps, rocks and roots! I’m very excited to ride the Levo but unfortunately I’m fighting the flu (hopefully not the Vid19)! Anyways, love to hear your thoughts!
Dude thanks for the kind words! The levo is such a beast I love it! I’m hearing you with the 170mm but maybe just try it at 160 first I’ve ridden some big stuff and not felt I needed to go up! The levo does sit high in its travel with makes it a very exciting bike to ride! Good love with the cold hope it’s not the nasty 19
I am riding a XL spectral ON first gen with 504w battery and I weigh about 100kg, 46 years and usually get about 24km with 1200m climbing in eco/trail. Most my riding is up fire roads and enduro trails. But find by the time my battery is done I am physically tired and that's when mistakes and accidents happen. Yes sometimes have battery anxiety but sometimes ebike can foul you into thinking you have more energy than you have.
Totally agree with you mate! I normally ride 2-3 hours max!
Another great video sam. Quick question, have you noticed the walk mode is messed up in the last update. It has for me on my gen2 levo
Thanks champ! To be honest I never use the Walk mode but let me check that for you!
It used to kick in pretty good and was quite strong now it hardly moves
Nice test. Looking forward to a comparison with the Trek rail 😉 Any news on the lower spec MY22 Levos?
Thanks mate the Rail is going down soon and nothing on the cheaper Levos
I’m not sure if a missed it but what mode did you have it on?? Turbo or eco etc…nice video. Watched the Rail one yesterday. My Rail 9 is meant to be coming end of Nov 🙏🏻🙏🏻
I did it in 30%.... cant wait to here how you love the Rail...
That's very impressive
Thanks Brian
Hey Sam, at
Question. At how many kilometers per hour does the engine switch off and do you feel this or is it more like with the SL? Can you also adjust the wheel circumference on the Levo Gen3? Thanks
Hey Gerry the Levo cuts out at 25km... Im not sure about changing the wheels circumference!
Just FYI mate - derestricted means NOT restricted. Cutting the output/power or limiting something is to restrict it, to derestrict it is the opposite. 😉👍🏻
Just wondering, have you done a range test on any other bikes that use the EP8? Maybe the Commencal is just particularly inefficient due to the weight, long travel and maybe the suspension kinematics are poorly designed?
That Levo Gen 3 is such an awesome bike. I'd probably go for the Levo Pro in red with the brakes swapped out for Magura MT7's.
This is a good point i really need to get another ep8 and see.
Nice one Sam! Wainting for the Trek Rail range test :) how many kg do you have ?
I’m 80kg
Hi interested in the next Trek range test you are going to do!!
Coming soon! I can't wait to ride this bike!
Is this bike comfortable to ride on paved surfaces?
Hi Sam as a gen 2 rider if you can feedback to specialized most of us would preffer to have the new mastermind tcu it currently works why should we be not included to be able to upgrade our tcu. I think it would be poor if they can't offer gen 2 owners that upgrade. Please specialized allow gen 2 owners to upgrade our tcu
Don’t shoot the Messenger, I’m just relaying what they told me.
ok yes, that is madrid, where the hell did you get that accent from then ? kept it in a fridge ? note: it's spring in spain
Hey sam! Nice Video as always. My absolute dream bike... why don’t you run Eddies on there anymore ?
Hey champ, I'm a very lucky guy I have to say. I have tested both and I rather the Magic and Betty but the Eddies are great they Eddies last longer by like 20-30% but I feel the Magic in Super Soft gives me about 10% more grip but they only last half as long
@@SamsBikes thanks! I bought the eddies because of your video and I think they are great !
Great test Sam. Wondering if you have done a range test on the SL with extender?
Haha you guys are trying to kill me! It would be 1/2 more of the test so like 1450 meters of vertical climbing but your going to earn it more than the levo
@@SamsBikes I ride my Levo 2020 at 20/30, and have managed 80km/1800m with 25% left over. So fairly confident with 100km/2000m. Yeah man, do it!
I rented a Focus Jam the other day and noticed that when coasting down the trail the beyond 25 kph I experienced something like a cruise control effect where the Bosch motor felt like it was pulling the bike back, to 25 kph. I haven't noticed this on the Specialised SL and wonder whether it is something peculiar to the Bosch motor ? Anybody experienced a similar effect on other motors ?
Get it de restricted with a speed box!
Craig I really dont have much time on the Bosch like 10km or less but next week I have the Trek for a week so I'll let you know!
Hi mate, after your opinion if thats cool.
I'm in the market for my first emtb and wanting an all rounder for trails, dh and getting some miles in. I was fairly set on waiting on the Gen3 levo comp to be released. But I've been notified of a Commencal Meta Power essential 29er in stock and also the canyon torque on 8 or 9. All good all rounders from research and priced similarly, the Commencal and canyon are online but can be with me within a shorter period. Whereas the the Levo comp hasn't even been released and could be months if not the end of the year!! But would be from a local shop with the better support and warranty and i prefer the neat user interface.
Any advice would be much appreciated?
Thanks Elliot
Hey Elliot thanks for the question, ok its a hard one.... I think you could be waiting some time for the Levo seeing its not even released yet and you can get the Meta now, mabe go for the Meta I have heard very good things about that bike and as you know I have been testing the Meta SX ( long term review this sunday ) 100% the range is better on the Levo and not by a small Margin 1500 meters of vertical climbing on the Levo and 1100 on the Meta. The Torque is not your bike its more a Bike park bike wont be go at much else and a small battery. I say go for the Meta and maybe sell up when you can get the Levo later in the year its nice to have local bike support. Good luck with it.
Sam
Sam’s Bikes, spot on cheers mate! I think that’s not a bad approach to it. I may have a chat with my local specialized shop over the weekend to see if they have any sort of time frame. But I reckon that’s a good approach getting the meta first, I’ll keep an eye out Sunday then! Cheers mate
Hi Sam quick question what has more fun factor Levo gen3 or Levo Sl ? Keep up the great videos
Mate it really depends on who your riding with! On your own I love the SL in a group with fit Full powered ebikes it’s hard bloody work
I know what you mean on my own with the SL it’s great fun but when I’m with a group of full fat ebikes I’m knackered
Yep on my own hands down I’ll grab the SL but not when it’s a fast ride on full powered ebikes
I'm 6,1 86 kg and ride hard steep enduro mainly the Scottish hills golfie and Innerleithen. You would recommend s4 large or s5 xl ? Thanks
That’s a very hard one mate! Have you watched this video ? th-cam.com/video/myTwc1dUia0/w-d-xo.html
My mate Brett is 6.1 and said he would like to try a s5 but didn’t feel the s4 was too small! It really depends on what style you like 👍 planted and fast 💨 S5 if you like play and slide 🛝 go the s4
@@SamsBikes thanks for the speedy reply, yeah had already seen it. Watched all your specialized videos over last few days. Great videos and information keep up the good work 👌🤟 yeah I'm torn between s4 and s5 😬
Thanks 🙏 Rider go test both and see
Sam whats your opinions on speed boxes and people who de restrict their ebikes? I know other riders on acoustic bikes often pass comments saying that your cheating on an ebike but I love my normal ebike and feel I don't need to de restrict it, that in my personal opinion is definitely cheating if you fit a chip or cheat box. I also ride acoustic too so don't get the haters gotta hate? One love
I really dont like D restricting ebikes for 2 reasons, If too many people do it we can be banned from the national parks and riding centres, Also these bikes are very expensive and are you void your warranty!
This is the place to be.
haha thanks champ
Disabling the mastermind TCU for gen 2 Levos in the future is such a bad PR move. I really hope they reconsider.
Don’t shoot the Messenger
Right .. i thought i heard that any warranty motor failure on the gen 2 levo would be upgraded to the new gen 3 motor ???
I agree 100% 👎🏻 Specialized can provide this upgrade for a reasonable price and give back to their investors that have supported the Levo, even through several motor failures that some have experienced. Absolute backwards ass move by Specialized that will turn away many as there is a growing list of competitors out there. No bullets fired Sam 😉
What is the weight and price of 3rd generation levo?
the weight is 22kg and right now they only have the pro and s works starting at 11k euros but later in the year we should see 3 more cheaper models
Where I can buy that?
Hey dude what wieght are you with all your kit on il send some.x2 settings to try
Hey champ that would be amazing! I'm 81kg with all gear and I ride agressive and like a firm bike
Hi dude try between 220 and 240 psi for your sag high speed rebound 3 clicks out from maximum .low speed rebound 6 clicks out from maximum.high speed compression 2 clicks from minimum low speed compression 3 clicks from minimum. This is settings I got shock set up for hard type dh riding on my levo from tf tuned .top suspension shop in UK thoose settings will have you nailing it have fun let me know how you find it
Hey Sam, where did you get the information that Specialized is going to kill Mastermind gen 2 compatability by software update? Currently there are already some videos online proofing it's 100% compatibility even micro tune (as shown in mtbr's video).
Would be worth a little shitstorm I think, now the world knows for sure it would work just fine. I'd seriously consider not buying any Specialized bike again if they choose this route.
Where I live we climb up to 1800 mts on trail mode on a 700 watts hour battery regularly. I personally know I can make it to 2,300 mts on a eco mode.
Hola Antonio, con que motor haces esas rutas? Y cuántos haces en modo trail de kilómetros y desnivel +?
Thanks for the Information Antonio but this was an average test for the average rider!
@@ambrose1821 hola, el rango es aproximado de 18kmts de subida con 1300 mts de desnivel de subida en trail y llegó con aprox. 50% de batería. Terreno muy suelto y pedregoso en una sworks levo 2021. De hecho acabo de hacer 20km total con desnivel de 1200 mts y la batería está en 60%. Hice casi todo en trail.
@@antoniolatorre6047 Hola Antonio, muchas gracias por tu aporte.
@@ambrose1821 en modo trail hago 1500 mts de desnivel y aproximadamente 40 kms
Proper test,like you say that's what its supposed to do, knobody pushes a car about to get better mpg.cant belive how long the batterie lasted!
hahaha totally... oh I get 150km on my Levo haha ok.. yep the range is epic on the Brose motor.
I don’t if you really say the reality but I both This S work 5 days ago , and had problem after 40 mins ride , gear box blocked. Then the dealer resolved the problem. And yesterday I have problem with batterie . After 30 mis ride , engine turns off. It turned off 40times , and saying sometimes there is no batterie sometime. Well I will bring it back now but I am really disappointed as I paid a lot of money. It s the most expensive bike in the shop
It looks like your range tests are done on very low assist/much suffering. I usually get about 2.5h / 35-40km from my 625battery when in trail mode and actually enjoying the ride.
Yea it was meant to be a average test i personally if I wanted to work out I wouldnt ride in higher assitante
@@SamsBikes for workout you ride analog bikes ;) for fun ebikes
I turn down the power-range settings on my 2018 Levo to 10% under what it shipped with. I'm 6ft / 210lbs., suspension tuned to my weight, new battery (warranty / lights) running Maxxis Minion DHR II 'Plus' size rubber at 25psi. I'm getting about 40km. riding with a mix of Eco (80%) / Trail (15%) / Turbo (5%). I live in the Okanagan Valley in BC, Canada, and it's basically a moderately steep valley, so all of the decent riding is UP!
Sick price.
70% peak power isn't the average ride lol. Most people use 100 in trail. This will increase range by possible 30% or more. The issue is that each ride will be different for people in different places. You would be better off doing the same loop on different bikes until the battery cuts out at max power in turbo to remove variables
i disagree 100% i ride alot with very fit riders we try and get the most from our bikes
@@SamsBikes not sure how you get less out of a bike by using its full power. But fact is that most use 100% on trial mode as per specialized own stats on mission control
Love these reviews but your carb addiction is out of control... suggest 6wk Keto trial. Keep up the reviews
If the Levo happens to have slightly better range than Shimano and Bosch does not matter. The Levo motor will fail. So the question that should be asked is: do you want a reliable motor like Shimano - or a motor that will have to be replaced over and over again, which will result on enormous environmental waste as well as long period where you have no bike to ride. Which would you prefer?
Hm still less then I do on my normal Mtb. Before these things can't hit 2500m + vertical, it doesn't really make sense for day tours
Does that mean the race bike is a Trek Rail 🤔
Madrid ?
You must ride flat terrain, most I get is approx 40km
Can't wait to get mind.
I would have thought 30/70 is more an eco Ride. Most people i know use 60/80 as a average ride.
I would say this is at the low end of Trail but also I try and do a simliar test on all the bikes about 1/3 of the power!
Get a shockwiz!
78Km mostly downhill which's maybe inaccurate
1500m is nothing. I get 2000 out of my EP8 Merida E160....less distance though.... dialled back eco
Chris mate its not a race... This was meant to Represent the average ride from the average rider
@@SamsBikes didnt mean to sound like a dick Sam
All good mate I just try and do the average so what people that are not as fit what they can expect
@@SamsBikes id like to pick your brains on something EP8 related. Have you got a website that I can grab an email address from? or email me at csinclairsound@gmail.com... hopefully I don't get spammed by the youtube machine!
Sweet just drop me an email at samwordley@gmail.com
I'm from myanmar
E bikes are all about up hill!
I do think the calorie counter on these ebikes are a joke.
the bike is good but this big motor-unit is ugly
It's SH-VAL-BU not SH-WOL-BE!!!! It's getting on my nerves now!!!!
Sorry I’ll work on it bro but it’s how all the Brits and Aussie say it
hehe, google think you are reviewing ewoks, whatever
Big thumbs up for torturing yourself again for our entertainment and information. Big big thumbs down to Specialized for that mastermind crap. That's not right at all, gen 2 buyers forked over tons of cash help develop the new bike and then sorry this will fit your bike and will work but not after we change the software.
Thanks Richard it was a bloody long day on the bike. Yep lets see what they do with the mastermind
nonsense video. when the motor breaks, you'll have ZERO range!!!