One of my very favourite scenes for one very clever character choice. It wasn't Captain Picard on the other enterprise, it wasn't Wesley, it wasn't Data. It was Will. The cool one, the commander who is always in the zone and always on top of things. Here he is, disheveled, disturbed and deranged. Having lost, seemingly everything he ever loved he's become desperate and unhinged and the moment Will Riker sees that he's entirely knocked off guard. His composure, his reputation, his appearance, all of these things mean so much to Will and he's forced to confront his own mortality. The grim fate of the alternative federation isn't the most horrifying part of this, it's that after everything that was lost, even Will Riker couldn't stand to bare the stark reality of it all. It's the character stretched to his most extreme and snapped in half. It's absolutely beautiful acting on the part of Jonathan Frakes and it's such a powerful moment. It's short, it's sweet and it's perfect.
To be fair, Trois character brought us Lwaxana played by Mrs Rodennberry, a good trade. Plus, Troi was useful in the counseler /psychologist role in later seasons, formerly covered by Dr McCoy, though Guinan also did the old sage advice thing too
it was scary because it was commander Riker. even and under the most stressful situations he always seems to keep his cool but in this he is totally desperate to the point of insanity
We have no idea what happened to him in this other time line. He could have been a completely different person from the start. Long before riker became the person he was. Now if they showed that riker changed this much just in a few years. Then yeah.
So sad to think desperate riker's enterprise timeline probably started the same as the main one, with him being all fresh-faced, young and optimistic, joining the enterprise as its first executive officer, only for things to go terribly wrong once the borg were encountered.
@@TokyoXtreme so what I actually used to babysit a beautiful young lady named Michael and Her mother's name is Lee. I actually was very proud of that and thought it was very cute because in the African American community a lot of children were named male names and for women especially in the south I know a lady named Bobby Jean even though people pronounce it Barbara Jean My own grandmother and her sister older sister both feminize their names because on their birth certificates it was Sam Ether change to Ether Mae (it was the 1940s) my grandmother and my aunt's name was Willie Esther (she dropped the Willie) I love that the show kind of gives you the sense that this is closer to our time and not so far in the future
Phasers and Photons both capable of variable yield but either way a photon torpedo designed to blow things up was not the right choice. Also surprised that the shuttle was talking full size torpedo hits without exploding.
at first i assumed it was something on the background of the guy who was recording the clip maybe with screen recorder lol Now i know it was a meta commentary on War and its futility when viewed from a God Mode perspective.
Holy shit the desperation and despair in Alt Rikers eyes and the haunting scream at the end "NO WE WON'T GO BACK!" Jonathan Frakes pulling it out of the bag there
Someone on Reddit recently pointed out, that that's the "evil" Wesley crusher. Since Captain Picard was killed by the Borg, he was never there to pressure Wesley to do the right thing at the Academy. Wesley went along with not-Tom Paris's lie, and they covered up the death of that cadet. He graduated on time and ended up serving on the Enterprise, with a pretty big skeleton in his closet.
Imagine how it must feel to lose your entire civilization (the federation) to the borg, be on the brink of destruction, loosing (from the looks of it) everyone but worf and a few others, to be suddenly seemingly "saved" by like a bazillion alt universes of yourself, only to find out pretty much all of them are doing much better than you, and on top of that are just going to leave you in the same position you were anyway. Ide freak out too that's for sure.
Worst thing about that scene is knowing that the Worf on that Enterprise had very likely also been displaced from his timeline, but will now never make it back. It could've just as easily been our Worf on that bridge. Yet he still tries his best to help a good friend who's in a bad place.
@@autumn_breeze616 Actually, didn't the episode end with no one having any memory of what really happened aside from Worf? At worst, displaced Borg Worf might remember dying only to be perfectly safe and sound in his universe and in the past.
Strange interpretation. There was some kind of panel explosion, he addressed it and returned to his post. Curious you saw that as “running around... like a madman”.
I always thought this scene was just incredibly sad for everyone. Borg universe Riker had lost everything and their just wasnt any hope left. so sad :(
I feel proud, I was really young when my dad watched this series. Don't remember much, but when I saw the title of this clip, I instantly remembered this scene and knew this was gonna be the video, I was right. One of the few things I remember about this series, it really stuck out
There are engines in the saucer. Note they didn't say the Warp core was overloading. That being said, it was probably a simple gaff that nobody at the VFX studio caught (or didn't have enough time to properly do)
@@HikaruXavier I don't know why you felt the need to nitpick like that, but you're wrong. There is no single 'engine core' in the saucer, there are multiple fusion reactors, and not even a single engine. And they wouldn't cause an explosion like that. Only a warp core breach or loss of antimatter containment is going to vaporize the ship. Clearly it was a VFX error.
Actually, when things were put back right he may have gone back anyway. As if none of anything else happened. Remember, Worf was the only one who seemed to remember it when he finally got back.
I just noticed something. The Borg don't show up until Riker gets a beard. Then, in the movie right after First Contact, Riker shaves. It seems like the strength of the Borg is linked to Riker's Beard.
0:13 Can't help wondering if the nightmare enterprise's worf is ecstatic about living a life full of war with the odds stacked against, or if he's scared, or some combination of the two!!!!!
@@KingOfMadCows If that was at the point of inevitability, he'd just phaser the bridge crew, take the helm, and yell, "RAMMING SPEED!" ("Perhaps this IS a good day to die.")
This isn't so much a creepy moment but a dark one, it's a reminder of how easily the Federation's first encounter with the Borg or the battle of Wolf 359 could have gone horribly wrong.
Those events did go horribly wrong. It's just that in hundreds of thousands of alternate realities, the Enterprise crew found a means to save the Federation. There are likely just as many alternate realities where the Borg assimilated the Federation, there just wasn't an Enterprise left in those universes to be plucked from near doom. This episode was several years after The Best of Both Worlds so I sometimes wonder what that alternate Riker's life must have been like seeing the Federation fall and being on the run for years. They likely fell back into Klingon space and watched the Empire get overrun along with the Romulans and the other Alpha Quadrant powers.
See that’s the kind of fear the Borg should have inspired in every single appearance they made. What I especially love about that scene was how Riker understands why they did what they did, they were dead either way - at least this way they aren’t assimilated.
This episode forever changed the way I think about stuff on a daily basis. The infinite realities... for example, I think about stuff like "What if this road was two inches to the left?" "What if I was born three minutes sooner?" "What if I was left handed instead of right?" "What if this particular tree had slightly better sunlight?" Needless to say, it kinda messed me up as a child in some ways. LOL
You think that's messed up. Watch the DC animated movie "Crisis on Two Earths". I don't really want to spoil it so I won't go into details but it's worth a watch ... IMO
I don't even know why you guys are complaining about this anyway if they went back to their Dimension they would have been doomed anyway it was probably better for them to be blown to atoms then to be assimilated
@John Lee yes but all the weapons are post World War 3 in Star Trek and I guess what I mean by that is we have a lot to learn from our mistakes and we don't attend to make them again but sometimes people make a bad judgment and history repeats itself so you're saying you're saying that this show is fictitious and none of this will ever happen but at the same time I'm not obsessed with the original Star Trek but my dad is you do realize a communicator is a cell phone or a tricorder is almost the equivalency of a modern-smart phone and you're saying all of this is fictitious to what end do you speak of because somebody science fiction within reason become somebody science fact not all the time but it does happen
@@tyrongkojy a torpedo is a matter/antimatter device. ENT 2x26 'The Expanse': Duras bird-of-prey is hit and when he asks his helmsman what it was he responds... "Anti-matter warheads" VOY 2x17 'Dreadnought': Janeway wants to stop Dreadnought with a massive anti-matter explosion, Chakotay informs her it would take more than all their torpedoes put together. Why don't you hand in yours?
Did them a favour, destroying them. Makes me wonder how a broken down enterprise could possibly survive in the "borg space" that would've formerly been federation space, though.
@@theQuestion626 They could have easily been killed. For all we know, in his reality when they tried to rescue Locutus, it ended up in Data being corrupted somehow in a way equivalent to being assimilated.
The pre Dominion the Galaxy class ships were pussies and couldn't fight worth shiat. After the Dominion war they became much more combat oriented but still nothing compaired to the Sovereign, Akira, Saber and others.
@Reunite The British Empire Makes me wonder what happened with the klingons, romulans and cardassians!!!! After all, no one wanted the borg for neighbours!!!!!
@@STEJTHEGREATEST The borg would take them out too. They are the essence of true evil. There is no compassion only making others bend to their will. I liken it to the old Soviet Union and how forced people to do their will. It is the same in China today.
They always do a dark alternate universe episode that always seems to be the one with the Terran Empire. How about a dark alternate universe but instead of the Terran Empire it is the Borg one, but have the episode end up to this scene?
Fun part would be all the viewers wondering, "How are they gonna turn back time on this one for the next episode? Picard and everyone have plot armor." And then, the reveal. Reminiscent of Voyager's "Course: Oblivion" episode, where we find out the crew we're watching ain't really the crew.
This alternate universe we get a glimpse of would be worth exploring. How desprate humanity would be in this universe and what could be created from it when we are pushed to the brink of extinction. Even the ferangi knew how dangerous and scary humans can be when put in a constant life threatening danger.
0:33 Proof that no matter which Enterprise it is, Wesley is usually always going to be incompetent. At 0:49 He had to resort to making things up about the condition of the other Enterprise, knowing his fellow crew members weren't going to be able to argue with his interpretation of the readings. At 0:51, Troi was like, "Captain, I'm getting that feeling that Wesley is lying, and that the other Enterprise was in better..." Only for Riker to cut her off with a silent "Not now, Deanna" look.
If anyone wants a story for Borg Riker, David Mack's Star Trek Destiny is a great trilogy that covers a full scale Alpha quadrant invasion by the Borg and their origins. Expanded lore but very cool if you like that stuff
Yeah, with the shields gone that explosion should have engulfed every ship surrounding the "time hub". Maybe part of the damages included an engine with only reserve amounts of antimatter. Then again I'm doing what most good senior engineers do and use techno babble to explain away an ex machina.
That would have been my decision. Saving everyone else is more important than saving one Enterprise from a universe in which the Borg have already assimilated the entire Federation. Especially when that Enterprise has already fired on a friendly shuttle. In any case, the crew of that Enterprise are better off dead than returned to their own universe to become Borg drones.
Alternate Universe Riker: We won’t go back!! The borg are everywhere!! We’re one of the last ships left!! They’ve assimilated all our razors and beard trimmers.. worf and myself... haven’t shaved for months!!! You’ve got to help us!!
I have a series of comic books based on a similar universe. The Borg conquered the Federation and Riker is in command of the enterprise - minus it's saucer section which was destroyed.
I remember that one. It was titled “The Worst of Both Worlds”. The Borg won, Picard was still Locutus, with Data, Guinan, Keiko and Molly already being among the casualties. And that E-D was indeed without its saucer section which was destroyed. They were able to create an anomaly that drew the Prime E-D to their universe to help then fight the Borg.
Riker could probably have saved worst-timeline Riker and Worf. He could teleport them to the Enterprise, but stop it halfway and keep their data stuck in the computer. After they get back to the tv-timeline, they could complete the teleport and return them into bodies. People get stuck this way in Voyager. It's dangerous, but it would have been worth the risk.
Has anybody noticed......listen to the beeps the Bridge of THIS Enterprise is making. Those beeps would go on to be re-used and become the normal bridge sounds for the Defiant on DS9 :)
Now that I'm older, this type of scene hits me differently. When you're young, the world is safe, so you don't take things like this as seriously. When you know more about the world, you realize that it's fragile, and things can go horribly wrong, irretrievably wrong. So seeing a glimpse of that, that feeling of having failed completely or made a catastrophic mistake, that it's too late to ever undo, is much more chilling. But it's that exact fear that makes us keep working to avoid that fate.
This was an epic moment seeing this. Their own reality is over run by the borg. I pitied them that they could’ve gotten sanctuary but that’s impossible because two of the same individuals can’t occupy the reality at the same time.
@@M-E-G-A there actually is two rikers. One was created by a transporter beam when Commander Riker was still a lieutenant. I've seen the episode. He decided to call himself Thomas Riker.
In that version of the Federation the ships were made of a combination of Erasium and a very small amount of Fireballium, instead of the 100 percent Explodium that ships in our version of Star Fleet are made of. Unfortunately, the Erasium Fireballium combination does not work as well against the Borg as good old fashioned Explodium. Hence the Borg are winning.
The most disturbing thing about this has always been that none of the other ships even reacted to this. Out if the millions there not one tried to do anything.
If that was the last season then they couldn't afford debris. During the last season they stopped using shots with a moving star field out the side windows. They didn't have the budget for the CGI.
Just another day in a Starfleet Officer job. See yourself from another universe, begging for your life, then ordering to kill that person. Surely that's not going to leave a trauma.
If you're trying to disable a damaged vessel, maybe plan A shouldn't be a direct hit with an ANTIMATTER EXPLOSIVE! Also, there's nobody on the other bridge except for Riker and Worf. That's a chilling detail.
It is VERY strange, that among the infinite universes and all those world-ending events which Kirk, Picard and other people prevented, we have ALWAYS seen the Star Trek universe in which everything developed just fine/almost perfect, except for minor things like the death of Tasha Yar etc.
Imagine surviving the Borg for years just to be killed by yourself in an alternate timeline
I’m gonna be honest, that end is preferable to being assimilated
@@patrickfoxchild2608, I recall what Geordi told Hugh about assimilation being worse than death. So believe me, I get your meaning only too well.
To be fair, that's a very Will Riker thing to do...
That is creepy when you put it like that lol
so mot cool man
Adds new meaning to "Fire at Will!"
Worf was onboard that Enterprise that was destroyed. So I hope that Worf on the firing Enterprise cried "RRRRRRROOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!"
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LOL! I’m a yr late here, but that comment was damn funny! 😂
One of my very favourite scenes for one very clever character choice. It wasn't Captain Picard on the other enterprise, it wasn't Wesley, it wasn't Data. It was Will. The cool one, the commander who is always in the zone and always on top of things. Here he is, disheveled, disturbed and deranged. Having lost, seemingly everything he ever loved he's become desperate and unhinged and the moment Will Riker sees that he's entirely knocked off guard. His composure, his reputation, his appearance, all of these things mean so much to Will and he's forced to confront his own mortality.
The grim fate of the alternative federation isn't the most horrifying part of this, it's that after everything that was lost, even Will Riker couldn't stand to bare the stark reality of it all.
It's the character stretched to his most extreme and snapped in half. It's absolutely beautiful acting on the part of Jonathan Frakes and it's such a powerful moment. It's short, it's sweet and it's perfect.
Matthew Caughey That’s why I kill every Borg I see.
Of course it was Riker, Picard was the first to be taken.
I would have loved to see data with that beard tho
@@boss-anova He tried that once....it didn't work out.
It gave new meaning to fire at Will...
Creepy is the wrong word, haunting is better. Terrific episode where we get to see variations of the characters based on their circumstances
My thinking.
Troi: “I sense Borg Universe Riker is upset”
Forget Captain, Troi is the Supreme Ultimate Commodore of Obvious
If the ship's shields would be as redundant as Trois character the Enterprise would be invincible.
To be fair, Trois character brought us Lwaxana played by Mrs Rodennberry, a good trade. Plus, Troi was useful in the counseler /psychologist role in later seasons, formerly covered by Dr McCoy, though Guinan also did the old sage advice thing too
And great hostility to.
Best comment on this video, hands down. LOL
it was scary because it was commander Riker. even and under the most stressful situations he always seems to keep his cool but in this he is totally desperate to the point of insanity
That is why it's unrealistic. They made him childish and desperate.
@@Ortzmet it was frightening because he was willing to throw away almost every principle he followed.
Pretty much like Arturis in Voyager
Exactly like that.
We have no idea what happened to him in this other time line. He could have been a completely different person from the start. Long before riker became the person he was. Now if they showed that riker changed this much just in a few years. Then yeah.
So sad to think desperate riker's enterprise timeline probably started the same as the main one, with him being all fresh-faced, young and optimistic, joining the enterprise as its first executive officer, only for things to go terribly wrong once the borg were encountered.
Yup
maybe they were not introduced by Q. or Q was less nice.
most likely they either never retrieved picard or data was not part of the enterprise crew so couldn't do the sleep command
@@sword4005 Or Data was destroyed in battle.
I would like to see that timeline.
THE FEDERATION IS GONE AND MY BEARD IS EVERYWHERE! :(
Wait a minute,....I've heard that joke before! You get around on TH-cam clips of this(?!)
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Hahahaha. I laughed out loud when I read that.
@@CavemanCBB As it was for me, 3 years ago, by a Duncan343, on the Star Trek : Parallel video.
@@borgduck
Lmao. Yep
You don't know what it's like in our universe...THE FEDERATION IS GONE...JJ ABRAMS TOOK OVER THE FRANCHISE...LENS FLARE...EVERYWHERE!
THE HORROR!🥵
WE CAN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT'S GOING ON!
No dislikes here.
A woman named “Michael”.
@@TokyoXtreme so what I actually used to babysit a beautiful young lady named Michael and Her mother's name is Lee. I actually was very proud of that and thought it was very cute because in the African American community a lot of children were named male names and for women especially in the south I know a lady named Bobby Jean even though people pronounce it Barbara Jean My own grandmother and her sister older sister both feminize their names because on their birth certificates it was Sam Ether change to Ether Mae (it was the 1940s) my grandmother and my aunt's name was Willie Esther (she dropped the Willie) I love that the show kind of gives you the sense that this is closer to our time and not so far in the future
Riker - "Try to disable them."
Wesley - "Okay I'll fire a fucking photon torpedo."
Good old Wesley, always trying to play the superhero too well
Also: "SHUT UP, WESLEY!"
@@GrandSupremeDaddyo I am aware this comment is 7 years old, however, I am obligated to say, "SHUT UP, WESLEY!!"
Phasers and Photons both capable of variable yield but either way a photon torpedo designed to blow things up was not the right choice.
Also surprised that the shuttle was talking full size torpedo hits without exploding.
I’m sick right now and this comment hurts to laugh at. 😂
I was hoping Wesley would return in Picard as Admiral Crusher snd say to Jean Luc “Shut up, Picard”
One could only dream
0:45 Why is no one talking about the "Enterprise #62453 left the chat" sound effect?
Because I'm embarrassed that I thought it was my phone
Wasn't sure what it was from.
LOL
at first i assumed it was something on the background of the guy who was recording the clip maybe with screen recorder lol
Now i know it was a meta commentary on War and its futility when viewed from a God Mode perspective.
Because they're still talking about him having left the building before THAT.
Holy shit the desperation and despair in Alt Rikers eyes and the haunting scream at the end "NO WE WON'T GO BACK!" Jonathan Frakes pulling it out of the bag there
For me, one of the most haunting moments in all of Trek.
But then, STD, STP and STLD. ☠️
And it came out of more or less nowhere. This was definitely one of the best episodes of the series. Great scifi, and great way to explore characters.
Maybe until you see the scene of Garak interrogating Odo with the quantum stasis field on so he can’t revert to his liquid form.
Tell me about it!!! Just the thought of the borg winning is scary in my book!!!!!!!!
@DriftZ TwoSeven God forbid that Europe experience a phenomenon that has been the hallmark of all of human history.
Someone on Reddit recently pointed out, that that's the "evil" Wesley crusher. Since Captain Picard was killed by the Borg, he was never there to pressure Wesley to do the right thing at the Academy. Wesley went along with not-Tom Paris's lie, and they covered up the death of that cadet. He graduated on time and ended up serving on the Enterprise, with a pretty big skeleton in his closet.
Oooooh that's true! Sorry I'm late to this conversation!
Excellent observation 💯
Good Alternate Stroll down memory lane 😁😂👍
That's a good catch, honestly.
You might think it's an evil Wesley, but it's actually Wil Wheaton himself, PRETENDING TO BE WESLEY CRUSHER.
He's had us all fooled.
I always thought this brief exchange was one of the most disturbing scenes in the entire series.
The little weak fart of an explosion was pretty funny though.
It kinda shows that first contact with the borg could have gone very wrong
Totally. This hit me hard as a kid watching the original airing. The way it comes out of nowhere only adds to it’s impact
Imagine how it must feel to lose your entire civilization (the federation) to the borg, be on the brink of destruction, loosing (from the looks of it) everyone but worf and a few others, to be suddenly seemingly "saved" by like a bazillion alt universes of yourself, only to find out pretty much all of them are doing much better than you, and on top of that are just going to leave you in the same position you were anyway. Ide freak out too that's for sure.
At least they fought. Think of the Husnock. Their entire species obliterated with a mere thought from a Dowd.
@@SultanKhan66 The Husnock brought that destruction upon themselves.
@@warrensteel9954 No they didn't.
Wharf 😂
@@megaruhe6296 lol didn't notice that. Fixed now 👍
Best thing about this scene is Worf running around in the background like a madman...
Worst thing about that scene is knowing that the Worf on that Enterprise had very likely also been displaced from his timeline, but will now never make it back. It could've just as easily been our Worf on that bridge. Yet he still tries his best to help a good friend who's in a bad place.
@@autumn_breeze616 Actually, didn't the episode end with no one having any memory of what really happened aside from Worf? At worst, displaced Borg Worf might remember dying only to be perfectly safe and sound in his universe and in the past.
Strange interpretation. There was some kind of panel explosion, he addressed it and returned to his post. Curious you saw that as “running around... like a madman”.
@@seeya4046 you'd be running around like a madman too, if you were fighting the borg...
@@sarysa Worf never made it back. The episode started with a surprise party and ended with no party meaning he's still in another alternate universe.
I always thought this scene was just incredibly sad for everyone. Borg universe Riker had lost everything and their just wasnt any hope left. so sad :(
@DriftZ TwoSeven I meant Riker thought their wasn't any hope left, not that his Universe was beyond hope or saving!
Not to mention all the hot bae on that Enterprise died too... *NOO! BAAEEE!* 😭😭😭
Honestly, it was probably better to be destroyed in their universe than be captured and turned into Borg in their universe. I know it's not much.
I feel proud, I was really young when my dad watched this series. Don't remember much, but when I saw the title of this clip, I instantly remembered this scene and knew this was gonna be the video, I was right. One of the few things I remember about this series, it really stuck out
"Their engine core's overloading"
*explosion starts in the saucer*
There are engines in the saucer. Note they didn't say the Warp core was overloading.
That being said, it was probably a simple gaff that nobody at the VFX studio caught (or didn't have enough time to properly do)
@@HikaruXavier I don't know why you felt the need to nitpick like that, but you're wrong. There is no single 'engine core' in the saucer, there are multiple fusion reactors, and not even a single engine. And they wouldn't cause an explosion like that. Only a warp core breach or loss of antimatter containment is going to vaporize the ship.
Clearly it was a VFX error.
What the technical guides don't tell you is that inside the saucer section is actually a giant control panel. One solid hit and it's kablooey town.
@@jcassokh Hmm, perhaps... but I didn't see any rocks fly out!
@@ashleydarkstone1949 Yes, but did you see all the sauce....
The disconnect sound after the alternate Enterprise is destroyed is unintentional comedy gold
Well, he WAS insistent on not going back...
He DID get his wish.
Actually, when things were put back right he may have gone back anyway. As if none of anything else happened. Remember, Worf was the only one who seemed to remember it when he finally got back.
Borg: everywhere
Beard: *RESPLENDENT*
His beard is weird. His ‘stache is trash LOL
I just noticed something. The Borg don't show up until Riker gets a beard. Then, in the movie right after First Contact, Riker shaves. It seems like the strength of the Borg is linked to Riker's Beard.
When Riker has lost his cool we know the situation is beyond dire
“Probably from fighting with the borg.”
“No, captain, it’s from aiming the torpedo directly…”
“I SAID. From fighting with THE BORG.”
“Yes, sir…”
0:13 Can't help wondering if the nightmare enterprise's worf is ecstatic about living a life full of war with the odds stacked against, or if he's scared, or some combination of the two!!!!!
STEJTHEGREATEST Worf is long dead.
@@DisgruntledPigumon You can see him in the background!!!
A scared Klingon and with the odds against them sounds like a bad combination.
Worf is probably scared because he might not die in combat against the Borg, he might get assimilated. That's a fate Klingons would fear.
@@KingOfMadCows If that was at the point of inevitability, he'd just phaser the bridge crew, take the helm, and yell, "RAMMING SPEED!"
("Perhaps this IS a good day to die.")
This isn't so much a creepy moment but a dark one, it's a reminder of how easily the Federation's first encounter with the Borg or the battle of Wolf 359 could have gone horribly wrong.
Those events did go horribly wrong. It's just that in hundreds of thousands of alternate realities, the Enterprise crew found a means to save the Federation. There are likely just as many alternate realities where the Borg assimilated the Federation, there just wasn't an Enterprise left
in those universes to be plucked from near doom.
This episode was several years after The Best of Both Worlds so I sometimes wonder what that alternate Riker's life must have been like seeing the Federation fall and being on the run for years. They likely fell back into Klingon space and watched the Empire get overrun along
with the Romulans and the other Alpha Quadrant powers.
@@TheLAGopher You just spent two paragraphs to say nothing that has not been said already, but with far less words.
“this isn’t so much a creepy moment as a creepy moment. I don’t know how to comment without complaining”
They could have made an entire episode about that scene alone
After everything you've been through, surviving the Borg by a thread, to have yourself shoot a torpedo and destroy you and your ship
Just like that *blows invisible feather* like Kevin Spacey -- "It was gone"
YOU. HAD. ONE. JOB.
WESLEY.
Hey dufus, _he had no idea about that ship being so damaged_ ; even a phaser blast would've destroyed it. 🙄
@@Neville60001 no one likes wesley
@kevin lawrence Picard only tolerated him cause he’s got the hots for Beverly.
@kevin lawrence, it's _not_ funny anymore. There are *_WORSE_* teen characters than Wesley Crusher to take out one's aggression on.
@@phillm156, according to who,dipshit?You?
See that’s the kind of fear the Borg should have inspired in every single appearance they made.
What I especially love about that scene was how Riker understands why they did what they did, they were dead either way - at least this way they aren’t assimilated.
I stopped watching picard because of that especially making 7 into a lezbo.
@@Skipper-j2z how dare they take away your sex object
@@lordraydens Its fantasy bro. Why cant the babes be hot in a fantasy show?
Kids these days, If you get a message (00:46) during your recording, RECORD IT AGAIN. ITS ONLY 55 SECONDS LONG
i thought that was a notification that player named wildbeard_Riker has left the game
This scene has stuck with me since I was a child; I honestly remember it with more clarity than I do the rest of the episode.
This episode forever changed the way I think about stuff on a daily basis. The infinite realities... for example, I think about stuff like "What if this road was two inches to the left?" "What if I was born three minutes sooner?" "What if I was left handed instead of right?" "What if this particular tree had slightly better sunlight?"
Needless to say, it kinda messed me up as a child in some ways. LOL
What if it makes no difference
@@thedevilsadvocate5210 not necessarily, if you believe in different timelines
I think its even more frightening that there really is nothing but you and this one life and this one way you turned out to be and so on....
You think that's messed up. Watch the DC animated movie "Crisis on Two Earths". I don't really want to spoil it so I won't go into details but it's worth a watch ... IMO
I just think about what T'ealc said in SG1. "Ours is the only reality of consequence."
Only way to go about your day.
Yes instead of using a phased energy beam that could be modulated to different strengths lets throw an antimatter bomb their way!
You can adjust the yield of the torpedo
I don't even know why you guys are complaining about this anyway if they went back to their Dimension they would have been doomed anyway it was probably better for them to be blown to atoms then to be assimilated
@John Lee yes but all the weapons are post World War 3 in Star Trek and I guess what I mean by that is we have a lot to learn from our mistakes and we don't attend to make them again but sometimes people make a bad judgment and history repeats itself so you're saying you're saying that this show is fictitious and none of this will ever happen but at the same time I'm not obsessed with the original Star Trek but my dad is you do realize a communicator is a cell phone or a tricorder is almost the equivalency of a modern-smart phone and you're saying all of this is fictitious to what end do you speak of because somebody science fiction within reason become somebody science fact not all the time but it does happen
Photon. Antimatter is something else. Tsk tsk. Hand in your nerd card.
@@tyrongkojy a torpedo is a matter/antimatter device.
ENT 2x26 'The Expanse': Duras bird-of-prey is hit and when he asks his helmsman what it was he responds...
"Anti-matter warheads"
VOY 2x17 'Dreadnought': Janeway wants to stop Dreadnought with a massive anti-matter explosion, Chakotay informs her it would take more than all their torpedoes put together.
Why don't you hand in yours?
Did them a favour, destroying them. Makes me wonder how a broken down enterprise could possibly survive in the "borg space" that would've formerly been federation space, though.
I often wonder how many crew members were left and what had happened to the others. I mean what happened to data? What happened to Commander Troi?
@@theQuestion626 They could have easily been killed. For all we know, in his reality when they tried to rescue Locutus, it ended up in Data being corrupted somehow in a way equivalent to being assimilated.
The pre Dominion the Galaxy class ships were pussies and couldn't fight worth shiat.
After the Dominion war they became much more combat oriented but still nothing compaired to the Sovereign, Akira, Saber and others.
@Reunite The British Empire Makes me wonder what happened with the klingons, romulans and cardassians!!!! After all, no one wanted the borg for neighbours!!!!!
@@STEJTHEGREATEST The borg would take them out too. They are the essence of true evil. There is no compassion only making others bend to their will. I liken it to the old Soviet Union and how forced people to do their will. It is the same in China today.
Would have been interesting to see this timeline as a mini series
They always do a dark alternate universe episode that always seems to be the one with the Terran Empire. How about a dark alternate universe but instead of the Terran Empire it is the Borg one, but have the episode end up to this scene?
That's brilliant
Fun part would be all the viewers wondering, "How are they gonna turn back time on this one for the next episode? Picard and everyone have plot armor." And then, the reveal.
Reminiscent of Voyager's "Course: Oblivion" episode, where we find out the crew we're watching ain't really the crew.
@@TommygunNG that episode was fantastic! Blew me away at the end.
Oh my, now I really wished they did something like this with Next Generation!
@@JB3AZ But no one listens to us!
That dark universe is called the Mirror Universe
This scene was genius because it shows all timeline variants. It also shows that Riker is a coward at heart lol.
IN THAT UNIVERSE COMMANDER SHELBY AND PICARD ARE PROBABLY QUEEN AND KING OF THE BORG..lol
This alternate universe we get a glimpse of would be worth exploring. How desprate humanity would be in this universe and what could be created from it when we are pushed to the brink of extinction. Even the ferangi knew how dangerous and scary humans can be when put in a constant life threatening danger.
@Eric da' MAJ well they lost so I guess they couldn't grow a pair in time.
I feel bad for the Worf that got stuck there. Dude just died.
Least he died in battle
This scene legit kept my up at night in terror when I was young.
I never forgot this moment after seeing this episode as a kid.
"Open fire, try to disable them."
FIRE PHOTON TORPEDO!
Get that child off my bridge!
A lucky shot sir!
@@chrisburr999 Animal!
@@barneys4236
" SAY THE WRONG THING TORG "
@@chrisburr999 Christopher Lloyd pulls his Klingon disruptor out.
Every time I see this scene I think of what happened in their universe after they didn’t come back
0:33 Proof that no matter which Enterprise it is, Wesley is usually always going to be incompetent. At 0:49 He had to resort to making things up about the condition of the other Enterprise, knowing his fellow crew members weren't going to be able to argue with his interpretation of the readings. At 0:51, Troi was like, "Captain, I'm getting that feeling that Wesley is lying, and that the other Enterprise was in better..." Only for Riker to cut her off with a silent "Not now, Deanna" look.
Riker made the difficult but right choice within a second. well done sir.
If anyone wants a story for Borg Riker, David Mack's Star Trek Destiny is a great trilogy that covers a full scale Alpha quadrant invasion by the Borg and their origins. Expanded lore but very cool if you like that stuff
Riker: What happened?
Wesley: It appears to have blown up.
Frakes is an awesome actor. Every time he was allowed to stretch his legs he knocked the performance out of the park. This clip is just one example.
Yes, I vividly remember that scene. The surprised look on Riker's face.... yikes!
Great episode.
Some spaceships explode & you've gotta get away other times explode nearby.
Yeah, with the shields gone that explosion should have engulfed every ship surrounding the "time hub". Maybe part of the damages included an engine with only reserve amounts of antimatter.
Then again I'm doing what most good senior engineers do and use techno babble to explain away an ex machina.
Just imagine. Somewhere in there is the ISS Enterprise D with sleeveless Picard looking to conquer some alien scum.
He really delivers the desperation. And i always admire the writing: "The Borg *is* everywhere". The Borg are not many, they are one.
“Hey, our world is horrific and we need your help.”
“No, die.”
That would have been my decision. Saving everyone else is more important than saving one Enterprise from a universe in which the Borg have already assimilated the entire Federation. Especially when that Enterprise has already fired on a friendly shuttle. In any case, the crew of that Enterprise are better off dead than returned to their own universe to become Borg drones.
They were euthanized
This less-than-a-minute long scene was the most horrifying thing I ever saw in any Trek. A brilliant piece of exposition in an excellent story.
And some days the beard gets you.
LOL! Now, that's more like it!
Remember watching that show in season as a kid and loved it... that was when stng was getting good!
I'm old ... 😔
Alternate Universe Riker: We won’t go back!! The borg are everywhere!! We’re one of the last ships left!! They’ve assimilated all our razors and beard trimmers.. worf and myself... haven’t shaved for months!!! You’ve got to help us!!
I have a series of comic books based on a similar universe.
The Borg conquered the Federation and Riker is in command of the enterprise - minus it's saucer section which was destroyed.
I remember that one. It was titled “The Worst of Both Worlds”. The Borg won, Picard was still Locutus, with Data, Guinan, Keiko and Molly already being among the casualties. And that E-D was indeed without its saucer section which was destroyed. They were able to create an anomaly that drew the Prime E-D to their universe to help then fight the Borg.
Riker could probably have saved worst-timeline Riker and Worf. He could teleport them to the Enterprise, but stop it halfway and keep their data stuck in the computer. After they get back to the tv-timeline, they could complete the teleport and return them into bodies.
People get stuck this way in Voyager. It's dangerous, but it would have been worth the risk.
No this episode hits the reset button. No one but Worf remembers what happens
Has anybody noticed......listen to the beeps the Bridge of THIS Enterprise is making. Those beeps would go on to be re-used and become the normal bridge sounds for the Defiant on DS9 :)
Now that I'm older, this type of scene hits me differently. When you're young, the world is safe, so you don't take things like this as seriously. When you know more about the world, you realize that it's fragile, and things can go horribly wrong, irretrievably wrong. So seeing a glimpse of that, that feeling of having failed completely or made a catastrophic mistake, that it's too late to ever undo, is much more chilling. But it's that exact fear that makes us keep working to avoid that fate.
Notice that only one Enterprise fired on the shuttlecraft, and that none of the others reacted to this universe's Enterprise firing on another.
It’s less of a good story if one of the other Enterprises destroys the one from the Borg universe.
0:43 what the hell was that sound effect lol
"Their containment field must have been weak.
Riker - "...probably from fighting with the Borg..."
YA THINK??
The more I think about it this episode should've been a two or three parter.
I agree a very disturbing arc, but brilliant.
Sorry, my favorite line in this episode is, "On screen" after receiving 285,000 hails.
What episode is this
I won't shave you can't make me!
That’s not what creepy means. This was more shocking and horrific.
@Pawel Goliard horrific is generally worse than creepy
@Pawel Goliard "Media" is literally just _language_ itself. But I agree that semantic drift can seem stupidly arbitrary.
I need to read a fanfiction story of what happened in that universe, even if I have to write it myself. How crazy and awesome would that be
Not sure what crack my algorithm smoked this morning, but I will be watching star trek when I get home.
I always felt terrible about this. This is why it is important that the rest of the Enterprises succeed in their universes.
That scene haunted me when I was a kid
Season 7 episode 11. 711. One of my favorite episodes.
Had to come a long way down to find this
I'm surprised that didn't turn into an Enterprise-on-Enterprise war.
I remember watching this when it first aired, it still makes my stomach hurt
This was an epic moment seeing this.
Their own reality is over run by the borg.
I pitied them that they could’ve gotten sanctuary but that’s impossible because two of the same individuals can’t occupy the reality at the same time.
Yes. There can only be one in a reality.
Can there?
@@M-E-G-A there actually is two rikers. One was created by a transporter beam when Commander Riker was still a lieutenant. I've seen the episode. He decided to call himself Thomas Riker.
@@donaldlayton437 duly noted.
"Probably from fighting with the Borg". Now that's the kind of inciteful assessment one would expect from an experienced Commander!!
One of my favorite scenes!
Stop hitting yourself Riker, stop hitting yourself...
*Riker*
*"Does the fact I have not been able to upkeep my beard in this universe tell you nothing?"*
It was when the Borg were just a basic concept, before they were humanized.
Can someone tell me the name of this episode or maybe which season?
Pretty lame explosion for a warp core breach...
Really. They should've just lit a match and used that instead.
it's like the original death star explosion, hahah
The other ships were too close, they couldn’t do a real one.
They were probably low on antimatter due to the prolonged fight.
In that version of the Federation the ships were made of a combination of Erasium and a very small amount of Fireballium, instead of the 100 percent Explodium that ships in our version of Star Fleet are made of.
Unfortunately, the Erasium Fireballium combination does not work as well against the Borg as good old fashioned Explodium. Hence the Borg are winning.
The most disturbing thing about this has always been that none of the other ships even reacted to this. Out if the millions there not one tried to do anything.
Which episode?
"Try to disable them"
"Aye Sir, Torpedo away"
"Wait, What? WHEATON!!!!"
That was indeed a great episode
The ship exploded with no debris.
It all starts when antimatter reacts with matter...
@@warrensteel9954 Or pasta and antipasta,
That was a containment breech explosion?
If that was the last season then they couldn't afford debris. During the last season they stopped using shots with a moving star field out the side windows. They didn't have the budget for the CGI.
Just another day in a Starfleet Officer job. See yourself from another universe, begging for your life, then ordering to kill that person. Surely that's not going to leave a trauma.
If you're trying to disable a damaged vessel, maybe plan A shouldn't be a direct hit with an ANTIMATTER EXPLOSIVE!
Also, there's nobody on the other bridge except for Riker and Worf. That's a chilling detail.
It is VERY strange, that among the infinite universes and all those world-ending events which Kirk, Picard and other people prevented, we have ALWAYS seen the Star Trek universe in which everything developed just fine/almost perfect, except for minor things like the death of Tasha Yar etc.
Poor Riker. Fella just can't catch a break.
It definitely was! Seeing the stooped so low as to bring Wesley back was scary.
What episode and season was this ?
Parallels season 7 episode 11.
Some days I feel like this at work 🙄