Dear Dustin, this video has become very relevant for me. The reason for this is that I will be switching from Canon EF to Fuji X. I don't do this lightly, but the reason is beautiful: I am getting married and my wife and me share the hobby of photography. We looked into getting her a Canon 6D II or 5DIV together with the new Tamron 24-70 and 70-200 G2. But the overall weight, size and cost of all this equipment would be substantial. We travel, hike and bike a lot. So, we have decided to switch to Fuji and get two X-T2 with an extensive lens kit. We are very excited about the way Fuji implements the exposure control. But, letting go of the Canon EF mount is not easy. I had my first EF lens in 1988 when I was in High School in Japan. My current set up of 5DIV and 8EF lenses is completely built around your recommendations and I want to thank you for this excellent learning experience. I will miss the EF system most, when I will watch a future review of yours about an amazing new lens... In the field, when shooting, I will not miss the EF system, as I will be sharing this beautiful hobby with my love :) and nothing can beat that! I hope to see more future reviews of lenses for APS-C mirrorless cameras on your channel and maybe even some Fuji X related material. Thank you again and all the best! Dirk
I have the 32mm lens. Excellent but VERY noisy focus motors. Also, it will leave black bars across the photos if you don’t have version v2 firmware installed. This requires mailing the lens back to Zeiss in NY. I just did the process as they turned it around in 2 days and the technician even phoned me to tell me it was done and on its way back!
What would u suggest? Sony 35mm f1.8 oss or Zeis Toit 32mm f1.8 ?? I’m using it on a6400 and use for shooting wedding video ..in term of pricing , or maybe the AF itself
If anyone doesnt know Touit is latin name for a genera of new world parrots. Someone at Zeiss is a serious birder to have named all the lens lineups after birds.
I know this is an old video, but I was wondering whether the 12mm is worth it for vlogging on the Sony ZV-E10. I'd need an ultra wide because of the massive crop when using that camera's digital stabilization, and this is one of the few options I could find. If the AF motor is that noisy I could maybe work around that with a lav mic, but I need the AF to be reliable. Thanks
To me the Touit series is dated now and overpriced relative to performance. Check out the Samyang AF 12mm F2 (my review here: th-cam.com/video/dlNMPyp5mwc/w-d-xo.html) as a cheaper, more modern alternative.
hello there. I have the touit 32 1.8 for fuji. I wanna ask you what you think the strenght of this lens is? f stops etc. And should I use the lens hood with this, as it is quite big. thank you very much ;)
The bokeh is pretty good and the lens is sharp when stopped down. If you are shooting indoors or in flat light, you can avoid using the hood. Definitely use it in bright light situations.
I wonder how this line would compare with the native sony OSS primes. My own experience with the native sony e mount lenses has been on the whole good. Both focus and stabilization (full 5 axis) are better as well as DMF. Further there are regular software updates. Also sony has been designing its lenses keeping the calibration of the hybrid features of its cameras. Given the ibis and other manual focus improvements there is a huge range of manual focus lenses as well as the sigma line.
The lenses are nice. I've always been a fan of Zeiss. Maybe if I someday get a Fujifilm XT-3 I will entertain getting them. Sorry to digress, but everybody wants Canon to do IBIS. Do you think they will do it or at least bring digital in body stabilization to their DSLRs?
Hi there, cheers for the review! I have one major question you didnt answer or at least I must have missed it if you did and that is: Is your 12mm touit lens firmeware updated by Zeiss or not? In my opinion a 1000 Buck lens that isnt weather sealed really can't afford such crappy pulsing AF so I hope this was filmed with firmware version 1 before the update. I also dont see why steadyshot should impact the pulsing of the AF but nevermind. Cheers
Steady shot on a tripod is probably never a good idea, which is what I had inadvertently done. As for the firmware update - it was Zeiss that supplied me the loaner lenses, so I’m presuming firmware updates would have been dealt with.
Dustin Abbott not sure, you as a pro reviewer, probably know this better. maybe overall performance of the machine as camera, handling, controls, AF, noise, etc
Doesn't make much sense. The differences between mirrorless and DSLR far outweigh any difference in performance. So you need to know wheter you want an EVF or not. Wheter you want an IBIS or rather a longer batterylife (though I was surprised how long the batteries lasted on a trip, when you just turn the power off, as soon as you don't need the camera). And which color science you like better.
That's of course correct. But I was especially looking at the 80D, when I said DSLR. The reason being is the request of a comparison. If you leave Canon / Nikon by the wayside, you can have IBIS in DSLR,
Hi Dustin, Though it's made for full frame, you should consider testing the Sony 28mm F2 on the a6500. At under $400 US, is small and light enough to be used regularly on the APS-C bodies. In fact, at 155 grams it's lighter than any of the Touit lenses which range from 200g up to 270g Also, regarding rubber focusing rings on the Touit potentialy decaying, I have a lot of Konica Hexanon lenes from the early/mid 70s some versions which have rubberized focus rings that are in like-new condition 40+ years on. Can't say the same for my original GI Joe SCUBA suit!!! ;-P.
mavfan1 You are right. Good quality rubber can last very long. Cheap vulcanized latex unavoidably is oxidizing and deteriorates by time. I bet Zeiss is using high quality synthetic elastic materials for its focusing rings. After all Zeiss lenses are never cheap. The Touit series are real Zeiss lenses Made in Germany. The Sony Zeiss lenses are made only by Sony under Zeiss specifications in Japan or Thailand.
Dustin Abbott ...and with every penny. I bought the 2 lens kit with my a6000 and both of those lenses were trash and I returned the 55-210mm and sold the crappy kit lens. Bought both the 32mm Touit and the 16-70mm Zeiss zoom and now have sharp, quality images from both. Spare yourself Chinese made lenses, folks!
Dear Dustin, this video has become very relevant for me. The reason for this is that I will be switching from Canon EF to Fuji X. I don't do this lightly, but the reason is beautiful: I am getting married and my wife and me share the hobby of photography. We looked into getting her a Canon 6D II or 5DIV together with the new Tamron 24-70 and 70-200 G2. But the overall weight, size and cost of all this equipment would be substantial. We travel, hike and bike a lot. So, we have decided to switch to Fuji and get two X-T2 with an extensive lens kit. We are very excited about the way Fuji implements the exposure control. But, letting go of the Canon EF mount is not easy. I had my first EF lens in 1988 when I was in High School in Japan. My current set up of 5DIV and 8EF lenses is completely built around your recommendations and I want to thank you for this excellent learning experience. I will miss the EF system most, when I will watch a future review of yours about an amazing new lens... In the field, when shooting, I will not miss the EF system, as I will be sharing this beautiful hobby with my love :) and nothing can beat that! I hope to see more future reviews of lenses for APS-C mirrorless cameras on your channel and maybe even some Fuji X related material. Thank you again and all the best! Dirk
Congrats on your marriage. Spending time together is incredibly important, so I wish you the best.
I have the 32mm lens. Excellent but VERY noisy focus motors. Also, it will leave black bars across the photos if you don’t have version v2 firmware installed. This requires mailing the lens back to Zeiss in NY.
I just did the process as they turned it around in 2 days and the technician even phoned me to tell me it was done and on its way back!
Yes, the focus noise is louder than what I would like.
I know this is 3 years old, but I am just now churning thru your detailed reviews, did Batis and Loxia first, how would you rank them?
I think the Loxia lenses have the best image quality, the Batis lenses are the most practical, and the Touit line is mostly overpriced and outdated.
What would u suggest? Sony 35mm f1.8 oss or Zeis Toit 32mm f1.8 ?? I’m using it on a6400 and use for shooting wedding video ..in term of pricing , or maybe the AF itself
I would go with the Sony. I don't think the touit adds enough value to justify the higher price.
If anyone doesnt know Touit is latin name for a genera of new world parrots. Someone at Zeiss is a serious birder to have named all the lens lineups after birds.
Did not know they were all named after birds, but yes - Milvus is the red kite (German: Milan), Otus is an owl (German: Zwergohreule). Interesting!
+freibier All true
Thanks for the explanation! They also sound cool as well :)
I know this is an old video, but I was wondering whether the 12mm is worth it for vlogging on the Sony ZV-E10. I'd need an ultra wide because of the massive crop when using that camera's digital stabilization, and this is one of the few options I could find. If the AF motor is that noisy I could maybe work around that with a lav mic, but I need the AF to be reliable. Thanks
To me the Touit series is dated now and overpriced relative to performance. Check out the Samyang AF 12mm F2 (my review here: th-cam.com/video/dlNMPyp5mwc/w-d-xo.html) as a cheaper, more modern alternative.
Are these lenses better than the equivalent Fuji lenses?
I don't think so.
hello there. I have the touit 32 1.8 for fuji. I wanna ask you what you think the strenght of this lens is? f stops etc. And should I use the lens hood with this, as it is quite big. thank you very much ;)
The bokeh is pretty good and the lens is sharp when stopped down. If you are shooting indoors or in flat light, you can avoid using the hood. Definitely use it in bright light situations.
Thank you for the review!
I am very happy that you are very interested with e-mount lenses.
+Achilleas Labrou I thought a few of you might be happy about that.
I wonder how this line would compare with the native sony OSS primes. My own experience with the native sony e mount lenses has been on the whole good. Both focus and stabilization (full 5 axis) are better as well as DMF. Further there are regular software updates. Also sony has been designing its lenses keeping the calibration of the hybrid features of its cameras. Given the ibis and other manual focus improvements there is a huge range of manual focus lenses as well as the sigma line.
+Giti Thadani I've been reviewing the Sigma DN lenses, which are really quite good
Is Zeiss going to expand their Touit lens series?
Good question. Zeiss has been pretty quiet the past couple of years.
@@DustinAbbottTWI I really like Zeiss lenses & would love to buy a Sony full frame or crop sensor camera for vlogging.
Hi Dustin, thanks for the effort put into reviewing these lens. Which would you endorse first, the Zeiss 32mm or the Sigma 30mm DCN? thanks
I own the Sigma 30mm f/1.4, and think it the stronger value of the two lenses. Hard for me to say that, as I'm a Zeiss fan, but that's my story.
The lenses are nice. I've always been a fan of Zeiss. Maybe if I someday get a Fujifilm XT-3 I will entertain getting them. Sorry to digress, but everybody wants Canon to do IBIS. Do you think they will do it or at least bring digital in body stabilization to their DSLRs?
+Cactus Tweeter They are working that way with some recent bodies, at least for video, so I would say the answer is yes
Hi there, cheers for the review! I have one major question you didnt answer or at least I must have missed it if you did and that is: Is your 12mm touit lens firmeware updated by Zeiss or not? In my opinion a 1000 Buck lens that isnt weather sealed really can't afford such crappy pulsing AF so I hope this was filmed with firmware version 1 before the update. I also dont see why steadyshot should impact the pulsing of the AF but nevermind. Cheers
Steady shot on a tripod is probably never a good idea, which is what I had inadvertently done. As for the firmware update - it was Zeiss that supplied me the loaner lenses, so I’m presuming firmware updates would have been dealt with.
wish to see sort of comparison video between a6500 and 80d
I'm curious - in what way? Other than both being APS-C, they are more different than similar.
Dustin Abbott not sure, you as a pro reviewer, probably know this better. maybe overall performance of the machine as camera, handling, controls, AF, noise, etc
Doesn't make much sense. The differences between mirrorless and DSLR far outweigh any difference in performance. So you need to know wheter you want an EVF or not. Wheter you want an IBIS or rather a longer batterylife (though I was surprised how long the batteries lasted on a trip, when you just turn the power off, as soon as you don't need the camera). And which color science you like better.
testthewest123 trying to make ibis about mirrorless? Not. Sony dslr had ibis too. Pentax has. Its great. And the battery life of those was fine
That's of course correct. But I was especially looking at the 80D, when I said DSLR. The reason being is the request of a comparison. If you leave Canon / Nikon by the wayside, you can have IBIS in DSLR,
Hi Dustin, Though it's made for full frame, you should consider testing the Sony 28mm F2 on the a6500. At under $400 US, is small and light enough to be used regularly on the APS-C bodies. In fact, at 155 grams it's lighter than any of the Touit lenses which range from 200g up to 270g
Also, regarding rubber focusing rings on the Touit potentialy decaying, I have a lot of Konica Hexanon lenes from the early/mid 70s some versions which have rubberized focus rings that are in like-new condition 40+ years on. Can't say the same for my original GI Joe SCUBA suit!!! ;-P.
+mavfan1 I'm not surprised to hear that. I think some people have imagined the potential for them decaying
mavfan1 You are right. Good quality rubber can last very long. Cheap vulcanized latex unavoidably is oxidizing and deteriorates by time. I bet Zeiss is using high quality synthetic elastic materials for its focusing rings. After all Zeiss lenses are never cheap. The Touit series are real Zeiss lenses Made in Germany. The Sony Zeiss lenses are made only by Sony under Zeiss specifications in Japan or Thailand.
you NEED to try the loxias. they are beautiful
+Stephen An They are on my agenda for the fall - Zeiss has already agreed to loan them to me.
5axis is when you have the lens stabilization too like with 1670f4
+ESSECIFILMPRO Interesting.
still good lens in 2022
Frankly I think they are aged at this point...particularly for the price.
Old school
For sure.
I miss that you come to the point.
Touits -so overpriced for what they really are - better options for E mount and Fuji at all these focal lengths
They are pretty expensive.
Dustin Abbott ...and with every penny. I bought the 2 lens kit with my a6000 and both of those lenses were trash and I returned the 55-210mm and sold the crappy kit lens. Bought both the 32mm Touit and the 16-70mm Zeiss zoom and now have sharp, quality images from both.
Spare yourself Chinese made lenses, folks!
Short review: not all that great for a huge price.
The Touit line is the most disappointing of Zeiss' lineup.
Shows a series of shots. Only one of them in focus. Says the performance is good. Okaaaaaaay :D
+NoluckBear That's not really true, and in one of those sequences there was actually 17 shots.
when ever you wish to give away the Zeiss Touit 12mm I am the first one Please I want it very badly I am out of lenses